Review QSC CP8 and the New JBL EON710 The Best Portable Budget PAs On The Market Today!

[@bmh8674]

Your videos helped me decide to buy a pair of used CP8’s - they are incredible and perfect for my needs. very low profile with huge crisp sound. I have them on top of a mackie thump 118s subwoofer and it sounds very full

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

So glad I could help, that's the reason for this channel! CP8's are the bargain secret in the PA world. Over a subwoofer is incredible full range sound!

[@MOAB-UT]

QSC CP8 is awesome- got one for $3xx return at GC. It was used about 1 day before he brought it back to get the newer version- Kxx. It sounds very, very, very great...and it's light.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Great purchase, CP8 is an incredible buy for the performance delivered!

[@EricBishard]

I'm so happy to get mine this week, I purchased two JBL710 for my DJ setup so that I can go mobile of needed. and I might get a sub woofer too, but I'm waiting to get these in first, maybe get another paycheck too lol. Pro tip on purchasing these. If you are spending some $$ at first center on other items like I was, their sales team will knock these down to $399. So I got pair for a total of $798 for the pair and they threw in stands and cables at no cost. This was on top of spending $2300+ on a XDJ-XZ standalone DJ controller. But just know they have wiggle room on the JBLs. I love your reviews. They are thorough. Thanks!

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Glad you like the reviews! You got a deal considering the 710's are now listed for $510. at Sweetwater.

[@bigbawsz2054]

Good choice. I bought one to see how it would do at a house party and damn this lil 10” was bumping hard lol I’m going to get another one and a sub for bigger gigs.

[@CetecomTV]

Thanks, great info as usual.👍

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Appreciate the feedback!

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

QSC = Plug and Play vs JBL More of a learning curve, setting up Apps, menu diving, getting the right gain structure. For a live situation QSC is much faster. JBL much more flexible and Firmware updates in the future might add even more ability??

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

JBL is doing a great job rolling out Firmware updates that are improving the App and the function of the speaker. JBL also has a great Facebook page for the EON series that has active participation by JBL tech support.

[@jansprodukttests6857]

Thank you very much for your detailed review! However I‘d like to add something regarding max. volume: To measure max. volume you need to measure SPL and distortion. If you can‘t measure distortion with your equipment you need to trust your ears. If you only compare limit-indicators you only compare the limiter-settings on both speakers. Some manufacturers warn you earlier, some later. Some limiters work softer, some harder. As owner of a few EON-speakers I can guarantee, that they are able to perform great even above 102dB.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

You are 100% correct! Each manufacture is different. Red limit light gets me paranoid and I turn it to green even though I hear no audible distortion.

[@josealfredfernandes]

Portability: qsc 8 inch (no Bluetooth) Power: 710 10 inch (with Bluetooth) winner you are welcome.. neither of them are battery powered.. so.. yeah.. 710.. in 710 also music backs down whenever you want to do minor/major public announcement.. (these are not personal entertainment or studio or audiophile systems, these are high SPL PA equipment.. meant for small-medium-large scale events)

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Agree

[@PeterKruseMusic]

I own the JBL 710's and they're wonderful speakers. My only complaint is that I prefer analog controls. That being said I wish I got the QSC's because of the smaller size.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Both great speakers, size difference is noticeable!

[@skyace888]

Thanks for the review. I'm considering the CP8 for backyard parties, small DJ gigs, live spoken word presentations, etc. I have an analog mixer board I would use it with. What do you think? Any other considerations?

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

The only other speaker I would consider is the Turbosound iP300 same price $500. iP300 has a wider room filling throw than the CP8 but the CP8 is louder. All three are great choices! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4fIqIaBds-eoas kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGecg6VtpNZkhrs

[@skyace888]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz thanks for the quick reply. Going to try and listen to some locally

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

@@skyace888 For the DJ gigs all three NEED a small subwoofer! I can give you some suggestions if interested, just give me a price range.

[@rexorotten9262]

I've been researching a small pa system to play music in my shop. Looking at Turbosound IP300s but am also looking at a pair of CP8s. Would a EV ELX200-12SP sub pair well with a pair of CP8s?

[@markerf16]

I have the Turbosound IP300 and use it for acoustic guitar. It sounds great, but the app and controls are very limited.

[@PeterPham]

been watching you for months, thank you so much for all the reviews. If I want the loudest one I can use at the beach, get some sand on it, maybe a drink spilled on it, but want the loudest system with bass. What is the best system? Is it just the Bose S1 Pro with sub1 or sub2? JBL 310? I want to also use it as a PA system. have you used two sub1 in cardioid mode yet? still haven't seen anyone do that yet. supposedly increases dB in front and reduced in rear.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Many factors you haven't mentioned: Total money willing to spend, max number of people performing for, A/C or battery power, max weight willing to carry per speaker? My second Sub1 was sold so never got to use it in cardioid mode. Bose S1 Pro is not what I would perform with in front of an audience. At the beach maybe 30-40 max people. Sub1 or Sub2 will add some great bass but it will not be any louder. A pair of JBL 310s on poles away from the sand, would have decent bass and be the only choice that has some water resistance.

[@PeterPham]

Budget is under 2k up to 3k. Want something definitely that would survive sand although would be careful putting it in a moving blanket etc. Didn't realize two 310s would be enough volume. I liked the Bose l16 wide dispersion, but not sure it's enough bass. I already have a ecoflow max so don't need internal battery. That's definitely a bonus when I just want 1 speaker though. What is the best portable mixer ? I might get the dji mic for events where there's a speaker. And what's the lightest weight speaker stand ? Thank you! I'm optimizing for weight and size as carrying 100yds across sand is terrible. I really would like cardioid mode because we get sound complaints from the houses on the beach when we play music too loud as the bass carried backwards to them. Have you seen the QSC KS212C sub? That has cardioid. But it's 2k alone for that sub.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

@@PeterPham Two PB 310s outside might be good for 50 people?? Only speaker with water resistance and it has a rubber flap to keep sand out of the electronics. You liked the Bose Pro16. Why don't you match it up with a Bose Sub2 for the extra bass? QSC KS212 would be too heavy in my opinion. Best portable mixer - Mackie ProFX10. I don't go with light weight speaker stands especially outside. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TS90B--ultimate-support-ts-90b?main_web_category_rollup=3/35/443/444&mrkgadid=3280890863&mrkgcl=28&mrkgen=gpla&mrkgbflag=0&mrkgcat=livesound&lighting&acctid=21700000001645388&dskeywordid=92700046934980874&lid=92700046934980874&ds_s_kwgid=58700005283820789&ds_s_inventory_feed_id=97700000007215323&dsproductgroupid=424552998220&product_id=TS90B&prodctry=US&prodlang=en&channel=online&storeid=&device=c&network=g&matchtype=&adpos=largenumber&locationid=9031179&creative=226299461198&targetid=aud-308617206236:pla-424552998220&campaignid=953755110&awsearchcpc=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwu5yYBhAjEiwAKXk_eN7V7f7q5kTAl9JsIX0xMKhh4bufFAZhO9lVbhEDY_b7zRteMVxJbhoCKZUQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds Another system to look at: Two QSC K8.2's $850 each with a Sub2. That would be louder than the Pro16/Sub2.

[@josealfredfernandes]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz wrong choice! All those are not suitable for such harsh environment! pb300 even pb1000 will fail outdoors! These are home audio equipment! This guy needs hard cloth weather resistant equipment! IP55 rated minimum.. higher the better.. Beach? That will cost a lot! Tell him to get some RCF passive units.. some of them are weather resistant! Fits perfectly for his application. He surely needs some IP55 minimum pa speakers.. or else he will lose all his investment.. Or DIY horn loaded equipment or paraflex, because drivers are hidden inside the horn.. which will mostly protect it from harsh environment.. (tapped horn is worst when it comes to being weather resistant, it sounds great but drivers are exposed outside)

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

@@josealfredfernandes Agree, beach for large audience is a tough gig! My beach rig is a Bose S1Pro and a beach towel!

[@philosophiaentis5612]

Physical buttons, knobs and fadders are allways better than anything virtual.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Especially I recently learned in bright sunlight! LCD screen is almost impossible to see. Also print is very small.

[@thomas9469]

Brother , Since JBL has EQ settings do I need a mixer ? Thanks.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

You don't need it but a mixer will give you much more headroom, and is much faster to make adjustments in a live situation. If you have enough volume and don't mind menu diving, then plugging directly in, is fine.

[@thomas9469]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks for the support.

[@Goforit8866]

“If the signal from the sound source is too high and your amplifier isn’t designed to handle such high voltage signals, it can clip the signals. It simply distorts the signal and reduces the quality of the sound.” I found this online, and it says it could damage the cone. I remember I connected Bose line out to jbl input and I couldn’t get jbl loud enough and I put on the gains in setting to the level I wanted. Jbl input orange light and red light came up while singing but the speaker wasn’t that loud at all, so I didn’t care the clip signal from the input… humm did I just damage the cone…

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

No you didn't damage the speaker. JBL Tech has said to me if it doesn't sound like it is clipping with distortion than it isn't clipping. On the other hand when I see the red clipping light I back it off. Playing too long in the red can fry the voice coil. You are right signal from mixer should not be too hot. Using mixer set at unity, using my phone I always back it off one or two clicks from maximum. Lining out from the Bose to JBL, I set the JBL710 Main out at -4dB, into CH1 0dB or -2. From the Bose make sure to use a balanced TRS or 1/4" TRS to XLR cable. Using a regular TS guitar cable will give you -6dB less gain to the chained speaker. S1 Pro should be at 12:00 or until you see red clipping. You need a strong signal from the S1Pro to get full gain from the JBL. Proper gain staging is tricky and super important.

[@EricBishard]

QSC is like... Look at know what EQ settings are best, no EQ for you. But I think with that extra 8db, I probably would not be too concerned, as well I would be running them through a mixer anyways that has an overall master EQ. But I won't be running them 😆 because I bought the JBLs.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Both great speakers!

[@johnb6677]

Does the 710 have an aux input port?

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

No, just two multi jacks :(

[@Hrcak1]

Which one is good for singing in small space and playing acoustic guitar using mic not pick up?

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

JBL is more full range for acoustic guitar. Both will work great!

[@Hrcak1]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz Thanks, on the end I went to the shop and bought EV 8

[@Michael-kd4oi]

I go qsc cp series for two reason only as a musician. Size and weight.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

I would add the clean high end of the QSC House Sound, compared to the rolled off highs of Bose and Yamaha.

[@dumitrascurazvan1209]

One 710 is enough for 30 square meters or I need 712

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Also depends on audience size/number of people, acoustic or electric/dance music. The 710 clips early at 101db so if you don't mind the extra weight go with the 712.

[@eliasmay3117]

how many hours you can play the CP8 with this Grantmaya portable power batery?

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Runtime Formula: 220wh/31.6 max watts pulled= 7 hours Figure 8+ hours if you aren't playing heavy bass tracks or playing at 100+ dB volume. The louder you play, the less run time you will get.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

JBL EON710 sound test/review kzbin.info/www/bejne/l6Lbe6GMaMxqlas Sound Demo, a pair of JBL710s kzbin.info/www/bejne/h4C1mYdngqaHe9U

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

QSC CP8 vs Bose S1Pro Review kzbin.info/www/bejne/oZqkiKZ4pbCIfZY CP8 vs Turbosound iP300 kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4fIqIaBds-eoas CP8 vs Yamaha DBR10 kzbin.info/www/bejne/mYaZloSHqsapoKs

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

JBL710 second place after $930 QSC K10.2! homedjstudio.com/best-10-inch-powered-speakers/

[@Vanhalen1]

How can you add treble or bass on the QSC? There's no onboard eq

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

The CP8 doesn't have EQ. You will need a mixer. The next step up K8.2 has an EQ section.

[@Goforit8866]

Hi Bill, I returned my Eon 710. I’m now thinking to get the cp8. According to your other video, the sound profile of the s1pro is similar to cp8, does that mean if I line out directly from s1pro to cp8 xlr input these two will sound very similar? The reason I’m asking is because when I line out from s1pro to eon710 my mic sounds different between the two ( because it replies on the mixer on s1pro) so it’s either too much bass/treble on eon or the s1pro. When it sounds perfect on s1pro, and I line out to eon 710, eon doesn’t sound good. Vice versa . Do you think this problem will be solved if I line out to cp8?

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Not sure, I never tried it. What I noticed was at lower volumes say 85dB and below they sounded very similar. Once you get to the higher volumes the S1Pro is left in the dust. Too bad the 710 didn't work out, but nothing like bringing it home and letting your ears be the judge. I think I told you before, make sure to use a TRS balanced cable lining out from the Bose. I'm assuming you are lining out from the Bose to retain the reverb??

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

Well I was curious so I just tried it. I used Bluetooth audio since my microphone is packed away. Bose gain at 12:00, QSC CP8 at 10:00. They blended perfectly! In the future you can line out to a sub like the Bose Sub1 from the CP8, will be a perfect micro system!

[@Goforit8866]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz You are awesome ! Thanks for doing the experiment.

[@Goforit8866]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz Yes I like to use the reverb from Bose.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

@@Goforit8866 If you still have mic gain issues with the S1Pro it is because the mic preamp is weak. This is a know issue with the S1Pro. Most people solve this problem by using a small mixer to boost the signal. Yamaha MG 06X Mixer will solve the problem. www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MG06X--yamaha-mg06x-6-channel-mixer-with-effects?main_web_category_rollup=3/30/264& Check out the Bose S1 Facebook site for more info facebook.com/groups/Boses1fanclub/

[@Bayenke]

2 Bose s1 valid for outdoor parties of 50 people?

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

I would say 50 people would work but no more. Don't expect any bass, especially outdoors.

[@Vanhalen1]

Qsc is not a plug and play. Definitely need at outside mixer if doing a solo acoustic and vocal gig. Voice sounds dark, mid heavy.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

I agree, but compared to other speakers it sounds great out of the box!

[@Vanhalen1]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz Bose L1 Compact sounds crisp and clear mic plugged directly in. I don't know why this QSC CP12 does not.

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

@@Vanhalen1 The QSC House Sound is way cleaner than the Bose Compact that rolls off below 20hZ. Even the S1Pro has a better high end performance than the Compact. Something up with your CP12?

[@Vanhalen1]

@@WWeiss-nv5vz That's what I'm thinking. There's something not right with my qsc cp12

[@WWeiss-nv5vz]

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