Review: Rancilio Silvia Pro Espresso Machine Inside Out

[@adamdowell916]

I really appreciate seeing the inside of the machines, so thank you.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Adam, My pleasure! Marc

[@humstrumbangtwang]

These reviews and breakdowns are so good I watch them when I already have a machine!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Glad you like them! Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@LindySellsHomes]

I bought my Silvia from you about 8 years ago. They are built like a Mack truck. It has worked flawlessly for that entire time with only a descale every quarter or so. The same with the Rocky grinder I bought with it. They are amazing machines and great for beginners to experienced users alike.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LSH, Thanks for sharing your experience with Miss Silvia and the Rocky grinder! Marc

[@Rahl692]

Oh my! I see that Rancilio has addressed the biggest flaw of the Silvia; the giant hex screw that digs into the grounds bed. Loved the video as per usual.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Grant, Thanks for the comment. Yes! Marc

[@donalexey]

@@Wholelattelovepage could this screw be ordered for Silvia? Is it still flat filter screen like Silvia has o the design was changed?

[@billinrio]

You really have this one covered. It's the first time I've seen this machine, and I'm glad you're the person who introduced me to it. I have a V3 Silvia, on which I've installed a PID and this one is light years ahead of mine. I'm glad that you mention the meager drip tray, which has always been my pet peeve with the Silvia, and It's hard to understand why they didn't make it larger with this new model. My fix for this has been to use a 3" high rectangular Tupperware tray on top of the perforated metal one. Still, I need to frequently check the drip tray, since the V.3 won't tell me to do so. I wonder how much more this Pro model costs over the other Silvias. I'll go to the WLL site and find out. Open a shop in Brazil, and I'll be the first in line.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi b, Thanks for the kind comment and sharing your workaround! Marc

[@house9850]

Fantastic overview thank you. I AM one of those guys who rebuilt a ver1 Sylvia from the frame up, gone through a couple boilers, modded with every upgrade you can get. Using for years. TEMP SURFING is my daily grind. I've been dreaming about a double boiler but didnt want to drop $5k on a Linea Mini. This has me very excited! Thanks again!!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey House, You are welcome and thanks for the comment and sharing your history with Miss Silvia! If you want to go to a dual boiler and you like your current machine the Silvia Pro is an excellent value. IMO you're paying a lot of extra $$ for the La Marzocco name on the Linea Mini. Marc

[@maciejtk6287]

Finally. Great machine, I hope there will be more Sylvia Pro videos

[@Wholelattelovepage]

More to come!

[@cmacd8879]

As a non-US fan, it was fun to hear of the role of WLL in getting my trusty V1 Silvia imported to North America! That was news to me, and speaks to your huge role in the espresso world!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi C, Thanks for the comment - interesting to learn how things come to be! Marc

[@tnvideoguy]

Can’t wait for your review on the Silvia Pro X.

[@zm6658]

Excellent work here. This is how you sell a machine! The concept of covering an engine on a modern vehicle is the antithesis to this style of selling: being proud of what they've designed they've empowered their distributors to display it with this level of detail. One question: why the different materials for the boilers? Why not just straight stainless? thank you!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi ZM, Thanks for the kind comment. Stainless is becoming more common in espresso machines. When copper is used brass end plates are common as it's a more solid metal for attachment of plumbing fittings on the boiler. Marc

[@mattsb99]

Nice in-depth look! I had wondered what the inside looked like and how it functioned. Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi m, You are welcome and thank you for the comment! Marc

[@BryanPike]

Love it I have my V1 and bought the Anniversary Silvia in Black last year for my new house... This is the Silvia I always wanted! Bravo!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey BP, That's a lot of love for Miss Silvia - thanks for sharing! Marc

[@BryanPike]

The hilarious part is, I'm reading this in Mark's announcer voice...

[@lenhumbird]

Thanks for the detailed look! Really important for me to learn that it’s a dual voltage device.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Glad it was helpful! Marc

[@azamanisishak3249]

Boy if this had brew gauge.its the best pro home machine ever!

[@ahmettanriverdi5238]

Great machine but also very expressive!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AT, Thanks for the comment. While not cheap depending on one's perspective it is at the lower end of price range for dual boiler machines. Marc

[@TheCuriousOrbs]

Could never understand why these machines were so expensive. Now that I've seen under the hood, it all makes perfect sense. That's a premium spec unit for sure. It has the build of commercial-grade machines through and through.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DD, Thanks for the comment. Built by hand true machines. Marc

[@davelasker]

How would you compare Silvia Pro to Profitec Pro 300? They seem to be similar machines at similar prices. Thanks for the detailed review!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Dave, You are welcome for the review. They are very similar machines with about the same price. Some differences... Pro 300 Has a steam pressure gauge Single PID - brew boiler only Much larger drip tray! Mechanical hot water valve Silvia Pro No gauges Dual pumps PID on both boilers Smaller depth PF Air pressure water reservoir sensing Marc

[@MrArdytube]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc

[@MrArdytube]

@Apple Pear Thanks. I know many people like the profile design.... but many of us old Silvia owners have grown accustomed to rancillio’s design choices. I think I would buy a pro right now... except that the pro is considerably deeper.... and, the fact that, over time, I have been able to develop methods to manually accomplish all of the things that the pro does automatically

[@ukonthego]

@@Wholelattelovepage hi Marc, is the hot water valve on the profitec a good thing? I.e. vs the hot water valve on the rancilio?

[@dancitydancestudios]

Your videos are on another level marc, really enjoyed it.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi dds, Thanks for the kind comment! Marc

[@valexy87]

I have been waiting for your indept review if the Silvia pro, thanks for sharing all this with us. Best regards

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi v, Your welcome. Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@Smellslikegelfling]

WLL might not carry the Lelit Elizabeth, but it sure would be interesting to see you tear down one and compare the internals with the Sylvia Pro. No one goes as in depth as you do.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey SR, Thanks for the comment and request. If I had one I would! Marc

[@MrArdytube]

Thanks for a GREAT review. I especially appreciated the grand tour inside the Pro. All in all, it is pretty remarkable all of the refinements added to the Pro. My main reservation is the increased counter depth as compared to my original Silvia. But given all of the upgrades, it is still a tempting proposition.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ardy, Glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the comment! Marc

[@philneel253]

Just got my new Silvia Pro X today. Can't make a shot yet though because it blew a fuse while I was flushing the steam boiler. Not getting off to a good start.

[@mattspangler7358]

Don't waste money on the base model. Not having PID is the weak link of the base model. We enjoyed the original Silvia, bought in 2003, for twenty years. Bought the v6 last Fall, and have had mostly frustration with it. We had to relearn a new way to use the machine, and researched all tutorials available from WLL and others. It took over a month to start getting good espresso. After about 11 months, descaled with Durgol. Now, the boiler loses heat faster and our shots are about 16-17 seconds, using the same coffee, grind, process, etc. Surfing is the only way to get good results with this appliance.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey matt, Thanks for sharing your experience! Sounds like your grind size needs some adjustment if shots are coming in 16-17 seconds. Even with same coffee grind size is not set and forget. Grind size can change with new batch, as coffee ages, etc. Marc

[@mattspangler7358]

@@Wholelattelovepage I'll give it a try. I'll clean the grinder today, and the reset the grinding burrs. I just spent some time checking the Rancilio Rocky grinder starting with the setting at "10" and worked my way down to "6" and I'm getting consistent shots in the 16-17 second range. I have tried with variations on how tight the portafilter is, and with no specific pattern, I sometimes end up with a wet puck. Making one change at a time is not showing any change. Another thing is that we always have some grinds in water, when drawing water out to warm up cups. I have had thoughts of getting a new gasket, but after 10-11 months, that shouldn't be necessary. I am using the double shot basket that came with the Silvia and I get about 14-15grams of coffee in there. I always have an indentation of the screw that holds the filter in place. I have seen some other videos mentioning how that can cause cracks in the puck. I have yet to get a really good pull off this machine and espresso beans are too expensive to get one good cup out of every 8 cups that go down the sink.

[@danielescevola4855]

Hi, finally got my Silvia Pro, this is a beautiful video. I’m looking for a descaling process for that machine, it seems very difficult to do. Can you please explain how you do it ? Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi d, Manufacturers of machines using heat-exchange boilers or dual boilers like the Silvia Pro recommend end user do not descale the machines. A couple of reasons... First, very involved and potentially problematic to completely fill the steam boiler with descaling solution. In normal use the boiler only fills partially to eave headroom for steam. Second, as the machines have relatively complex internal hydraulics, chuncks of scale can dislodge during descaing and plug up other areas of the machine. But it's easy to avoid scale in the first place. The Silvia Pro X ships with a BWT Bestsave in reservoir pad filter. Use that as directed and no scale should form in the machine. The filter exchanges calcium in source water for magnesium which will not cause scale. Here's the filter: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-m-anti-scale-filter Marc

[@danielescevola4855]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you very much

[@aeko]

Awesome review/detailed overview! What are the dimensions of the drip tray? I’m wondering if my coffee scale will be too big to fit…

[@wsduan]

The best review of Silvia Pro!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi sa, Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@RayosMcQueen]

Thanks for a fantastic video. My Sylvia Pro is showing low water levels with the tank nearly full. The line to the sensor and the plastic bell in the tank are completely full of water. Any idea what might fix this?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi RMQ, I would try removing the water in the sensor line. Believe it works by sensing change in air pressure within the line. If full of water that probably will not work properly.

[@RayosMcQueen]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you so much for your quick reply and all that you do. In the meantime I have done the opposite of what you recommend and got all the air out of line and sensor flcking the line with my fingers to get the bubbles out. Now it works after some calibration of the two set screws on the sensor. I can imagine your method works too. Didn’t find any documentation on how to calibrate the system. Also: the silicone tube gets hard and brittle in the water reservoir. My problem manifested after descaling the machine, so I believe that the calcium deposits kept it tight and when they dissolved it sprung a leak. Cutting off 1 cm from the end of the tube gave it a fresh start for the next two years.

[@mibli2935]

I have a question about the safety valve and the large silicon tube that is connected to it. The diameter of this tube is significantly less then the threaded element on this valve. My tube developed a rapture and I need to replace it, but how do I connect it to the brass element on this valve? The diameters are strikingly different. Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi m, the tube should press on if it's the original or same size replacement.

[@SuperMatrix59]

Rancilio is really made well.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Beauty or beast?

[@SuperMatrix59]

@@Wholelattelovepage I say both I have the gaggia pro and The Rocket Apartamento Seri Nera. I saw the rancilio up close on Arthur Ave Bronx. It is a beauty generic but still good looking but compared to the gaggia in size it’s a beast.

[@johnp5515]

Hi and thanks for the video. Do you happen to have a tutorial on how to descale this machine or the Silvia Pro X? Haven't found anything yet. Thank you!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi John, You are welcome. I do not have a descale video specific to either of those Rancilio machines. Part of the reason is manufacturers advise against descaling dual boiler machines. Why? Well, it's difficult to fully descale the service (steam) boiler as it does not fully fill with water when operated normally. Also, severely scaled dual boiler machines can have scale chunks break off, not fully dissolve and plug other parts of the machine. The best thing to do is properly treat water so no scale happens in the first place. The BWT Bestsave pad filters when used as directed prevent scale in the machine. Marc

[@johnp5515]

@@Wholelattelovepage thank you for your detailed response. All the best!

[@nathanielpetruska1305]

I just finished your Bezzera BZ13 DE Espresso Machine review, and for only a little more it looks like it would be a far superior machine to the Silvia Pro in both build quality and features. Am I missing anything?

[@Casablancas.]

BZ13 is a Heat exchanger. Silvia Pro is a dual Boiler. Dual boiler machines will have more consistent brewing temperature as you wont need to flush and approximate the brew temp like on a HX machine.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

@@Casablancas. BZ13 has a pid, so being a heat exchanger is irrelevant. WLL already did a review that shows the temp is dead stable without the need to flush due to the group being electronically heated. For $120 less BZ13 PM a steal compared to the Sylvia, which honestly shouldn't cost more than $1400 compared to the original Sylvia.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Nathaniel @Casblancas and @SkeksisRule have good points. Flushing is generally not required on the BZ13 and brew temps are accurate in my testing. IMO no issue with Silvia build quality. Just wish the drip tray was a bit larger. BZ13 is a little prettier IMO. Tough call as to which to choose. You'll have more control of steam pressure on the Silvia plus the ability to just turn the steam boiler off if only doing espresso. Marc

[@Casablancas.]

​@@Wholelattelovepage @SkeksisRule I did some research when deciding to purchase a HX or Db machine, and did look at the bezzera BZ group. I would think the typical limitations of HX machines will apply, notably temperature fluctuations, generally getting hotter over multiple shots. This is because to maintain steam pressure, the boiler temperature may overshoot when cooler water is drawn into the HX for subsequent brews. Do mind that this is just speculation, i do not have experience with this machine. But i would think a DB machine with separate service and brew boiler can maintain consistent temperature longer, for more shots, i.e. more than 5 shots back to back. For 1-2 shots, i think either kind of machines will work well. Perhaps Marc could confirm or reject this hypothesis?

[@nathanielpetruska1305]

And to make this choice even harder, for the same price Lelit Elizabeth looks similar to the Silvia Pro/BZ13 except for the one being a HX. Trying to figure out if the shot/steaming is superior in one of these models.

[@mrx-in4xh]

I've had a Silvia for at least 12 years, I installed a PID myself a few years back. Mark: was hoping you'd point out how well laid out all the components are, but then most Italian machines are. My question: I have a triple shot basket with a naked portafilter and I always wondered if I can use it for double and single shots as well? I would like to use the naked portafilter more often but only the triple basket seems to fit it well, so for smaller shots I use the regular Rancilio portafilter. Great job as always Mark.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey mr x, Thanks for the comment and question and sharing details on your Silvia. No reason you cannot use single and double baskets in the naked PF. They do look a little odd I suppose as the bottom of the baskets will be up above the cut in bottom rim of the portafilter. Marc

[@mrx-in4xh]

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks Marc, one last question if you don't mind. I recently replaced the pump in my Silvia, not because i had to but wanted the upgraded one. I noticed that after sitting overnight, it takes longer than usual for the water to start flowing through the portafilter. I don't see any water leaks anywhere. Is it normal for the water in the hose to clear itself out? thx

[@josephjingsun7400]

Why didn’t see the test on brew temperature

[@BensCoffeeRants]

Cool, didn't know the Silvia is now a Dual Boiler :O (This version at least). Great review.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ben, Thanks for the comment! Marc

[@LorenzoNW]

You mentioned in a reply to another question that this machine does not do preinfusion. Does a machine that offers preinfusion make noticeably better tasting espresso?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LNW, Thanks for the question. Yes, potentially. Pre-infusion can do a number of things. For instance extended long low flow/pressure pre-infusions can help reduce the brightness/acidity of relatively fresh from roast beans. Low flow/pressure allows them to off-gas CO2 before full pressure extraction reducing brightness. Short pre-infusions and pre-wetting may help reduce channeling of brew water by causing ground coffee to swell prior to full pressure brewing. The result is a more even extraction. On the other hand pre-infusion can be detrimental to some coffee types. For instance I prefer hitting darker roasts and older coffees with high pressure/flow ASAP at start of extraction. Marc

[@event4216]

Marc, thanks for inside tour! Nice to see Rancilio are upping their bet on home espresso machine. As a americano-only drinker I can't see myself buying DB but pleasure to watch! Have you got some news on ECM Puristika, delayed by nasty virus?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi E42, You are welcome! No news on the the ECM machine. I do know there have been delays in manufacturing for many companies. Couple that with increased demand with many at home and supply is low. Mrc

[@lukeh.8495]

So sad to find out this is out of stock on your site after watching this great video

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Luke, Thanks for the comment on the video. And, good news! We received new Silvia Pros this morning and they are now available for order here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rancilio-silvia-pro-espresso-machine They have been popular so not sure how long current stock will last. Marc

[@johnwilliams7999]

The breville duel boiler is 999 au dollars would you still get this machine if the breville one is so much cheaper?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi John, I'd still go with the Silvia Pro. It's a true hand assembled machine grade product. The Breville is fine and can serve well but does not compare in build quality with lot's of plastic and proprietary parts. Marc

[@4u2watch6]

Great video. Very informative. Thank you.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Glad you enjoyed it! Marc

[@jeftesantiago]

The smaller drip tray don’t convince me at all, and the heat up time is close to an E61 group. Rather than that I would go to a PID HX machine with an E61 group head that I can upgrade to have flow control on it!

[@superflyregularguy]

Hi, PID on a HX machine is not so effective. I would advise you to get the Lelit MaraX instead.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JS, Thanks for the comment. As mentioned I'm not a fan of the smallish drip tray! Flow control not for everyone but yes, gotta have an E61 group for that. As far as heat up times the Silvia Pro is IMO at least 2x as fast as typical E61 machine. Most of those are 25-35 minutes for full temp stability. With boiler over group design and just .3L volume Silvia pro is ready to go in 10-15 max. I'll disagree with @superflyregularguy on PID HX opinion. I've tested a lot of those and Profitec, ECM and Rocket machines are very accurate brew temp wise and generally do not need cooling flush like pressurestat controlled HX machines. Marc

[@jeftesantiago]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks for your advice, you helped me out a lot! I think I will go with a PP500 and added a FCD later!

[@jeftesantiago]

@@superflyregularguy Basically, the Lelit Mara X is not my machine, I cannot see my workflow with them. I do 8 to 10 drinks a day without visits on my house!

[@crash4o4]

Hopefully they will come with a nice jet black color. :)

[@Eric48359]

How can you descale this machine?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi E, Thanks for the question. Manufacturers of dual boiler machines like the Silvia Pro advise end users not to descale them. Since the steam boiler has headspace in the boiler for steam, it requires technician level knowledge/skill to fill it fully with descaling solution and then rinse it out. For machines with heat exchange or dual boilers it's best practice to filter water properly to prevent scale from forming in the first place. Currently shipping Silvia Pros come with a BWT Bestsave in-reservoir filter which exchanges calcium in tap water with magnesium to prevent scale formation: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bwt-bestsave-s-anti-scale-filter?variant=14409382723643

[@stefano1509]

Great video. I’d love to see one like this for the Profitec pro 300. They seem like competing machines as dual boiler PID machines in the same price range.

[@cameronknowles6267]

Yeah that would be awesome and maybe do the breville dual boiler to I know it’s an appliance but I think it is the cheapest dual boiler machine

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SB, Thanks for the comment and request! Silvia Pro and the Pro 300 are similar! I'm sure I will do a comparison down the road. Unfortunately the Pro 300 is sold out at the moment so I do not have one for video :( In the meantime here's a link to a side by sude spec comparison of the Silvia Pro and Profitec Pro 300: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDcyMzk4OTQxMzk0MiwxNTQ1OTk4Nzk0ODEx Marc

[@llohe6841]

Where is the PID probe of the steam boiler?

[@davidfuller581]

Hey guys, question for you. The PID controller on these machines can be switched between 120V and 230V. What does this do? The heating elements are of course still the 120V parts, so it must be a software thing. Do you know?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi DF, Thanks for the question. Voltage is set based on what one is plugging into. Machines are made for countries with different power specs. Set to your country's spec. Marc

[@Justkeepswimming777]

Thank you for this video! I just purchased my machine and I’m so disappointed. My Water Reservoir Air Trap is broken and I cannot use the machine. Is there a way to disable the (H2O) on the front of the screen so I can use the machine?

[@living4adrenaline]

Just removed the solenoid valve to see if there was a blockage, now water isn't dispensing out of the group head, any advice?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi FB, are you sure you reassembled the valve and wiring properly? That's the first thing to check.

[@irasend]

Just getting used to my new Sylvia Pro. So far, I am quite happy. Question though, How often should you backflush the machine?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ira, Congrats on your new Silvia Pro! I'd back flush every 30-50 brew cycles or weekly whichever comes first. Marc

[@fee9541]

whats that copper tube in to the steam boiler next to heating element? it gas coils down under the middle panel and wire connected to heating element

[@malex1987]

Hi there ! I have a question related to my Silvia Pro. In my case there is no water coming out on the hot water part. The question that I have is : when device is in use and water/steam boiler has reached its temperature, the thin pipe coming out from the boiler and leading to hot water is completely cold; the other pipe leading to steam is hot. Could the blockage be in the boiler , right where the pipe for hot water starts ? Otherwise why would that pipe remain completely cold ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi m, Thanks for the question. Could be a blockage in the boiler especially if your steam wand is hot, making steam and you get no water from the hot water wand.

[@dozog]

@15:33 Good to see they have (finally) replaced the hex-bolt holding the filter screen with a counter sunk screw that levels with the screen. Is that cigar controller (@14:33) in the back a set with the display unit on the control panel? Can either be purchased separately ?

[@crash4o4]

Im in big debate between profitec 500 and this machine.

[@jimwadleigh7118]

Great review. Unclear about the material used in the frame. My now defunct Silvia V3 was operating superbly for over a decade, but the frame is extremely rusty, since it was made of mild steel, painted black. Seemed to me like a bad choice to have mild steel at the bottom of a machine that will inevitably have water migrating down onto it. Is the Silvia Pro frame made of stainless steel? Hard to tell since it is painted black.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Jim, Thanks for the comment. From time to time I have heard of frame rusting on older Silvias with steel frames - especially those near salt water/ocean. I've found no specs for frame material of the Silvia Pro but have heard it is a type of stainless. There are different grades of stainless steel. Some magnetic and some not so much. The Silvia Pro's frame is magnetic so if stainless I believe it's a grade which contains more iron. What that means for corrosion long-term I'm not quite sure. Perhaps less likely to oxidize but not immune? Marc

[@davethetaswegian]

Looks like a great machine. However, I think they skimped a bit on the display. A graphical, or even just a full alphanumeric display is only a few dollars and would have avoided a a menu system that needs a cheat sheet to use.

[@SuperMatrix59]

Ditto. It’s cost 1700 plus tax. Better display. It kind of takes away from the machine like an amateur just stick it in the faceplate.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi David, Thanks for the comment. Displays can be very polarizing. Some want more, some less. Take Rocket machines for instance... As a company part of their philosophy was no visible digital displays on machines so they hid PID controllers behind drip trays or used removable screens on some machines. Others go color touch-screen like Bezzera on their Matrix and Duo machines. IMO the display/controller on the Silvia Pro is very easy with just 3 input buttons. With 8 items controllable one will know them well after a couple of days use. 99% of time your not likely to go beyond the first 3 items which are steam boiler temp, backflush and auto wake-up.

[@brdgtdyg]

Can a regular mug fit under the portafilter?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi b, Thanks for the question. Clearance under the spouts is 3.5". That spec and more can be found here: www.wholelattelove.com/products/rancilio-silvia-pro-x-dual-boiler-espresso-machine-in-black#product-specs Marc

[@chernowitz]

How does this compare to Lelit Elizabeth?

[@ItsPiano]

*Rancilio* is just _great_ ❤️

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi IP, Thanks for sharing! Marc

[@cbeenhackker]

Great in depth review Mark! I wonder how does this machine compare to a Rocket Appartamento singing this has a PID.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi CB, Thanks for the comment. I can guarantee a few things. Very accurate brew temps, no cooling flushes required and about the same price! Marc

[@cbeenhackker]

@@Wholelattelovepage That sounds great. Thx

[@Joe-wk8vb]

You should do a comparaison of the silvia pro and the profitec pro 300

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Joe, Great idea! Will see if we can do one. In the meantime, I do have this individual review of the Pro 300: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoK7nmVrpbKLmtU Marc

[@BensCoffeeRants]

One thing I didn't like about my Rocket Machine is the drip tray is also kinda tiny when they definitely could have made it larger. I used to have a QuickMill Silvano and the drip tray on that was huge in comparison. I wonder if the steam, wand would be better off with a 2 hole tip (usually easy to swap on most machines), more power that way, unless there's benefits to having more holes.

[@Jaroslav.]

Do you think the drip tray would really be an issue? As this being a dual boiler, you wouldn’t need to be flushing as much as with a heat exchanger or the classic Silvia. Just asking because i’ve read some owners report having to empty the tray after 4-5 days while making a few drinks a day. I empty the tray on my Silvia V6 (which is about half full) every evening.

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@Jaroslav. I wouldn't say it's an issue just something to be aware of, so it's good they mention it in the video. Good point about not filling it as quick since it's not a heat exhange needing cooling flushes.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Ben, Thanks for sharing! Steam tips are easy to switch out. The 4 hole tip on the Silvia Pro gives an excellent vigorous roll to milk. But, tip type is personal preference. Working tips with more or less holes and different hole diameters produce different results. For instance you could have a single hole tip with larger diameter hole up against 4 hole tip with smaller diameter holes. Both tips might put out the same total power but frothing technique would likely be a bit different. Marc

[@BensCoffeeRants]

@@Wholelattelovepage Cool, I went from A QuickMill Silvano machine with a single tip wand a not so powerful thermoblock for steaming (you actually have to temperature / pressure surf with the machine which people say you don't need to do with thermoblocks, but I found you DO for best results) and then when I went to a Rocket 1.8L Heat exchange machine with 2 holes I had to re-learn how to steam milk since it was just so fast and powerful, not sure how much it had to do with the power of the steam or the tips though. Definitely took some time to adjust and I'm still getting the hang of it.

[@PhilipMachanick]

Nice review. A puzzle: how is a digital mains voltage setting useful? How can you access this if you have the wrong voltage when you start to use the machine?

[@bigglyguy8429]

Yes.

[@osammah]

Should the single shot basket extraction time be the same as the double? For example, if I get a good double shot between 25-30 seconds from first drop, the single should be about the same time? Some claim it should be cut by half (12-15 seconds), but I’m skeptical. Any ideas?

[@oracla]

I think this tends to be a little different for every machine and user. I would only worry to get a similar yield (brew ratio) and flow as in the double shot and further adjust with tasting. It takes some experimenting.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi EA, Thanks for the question. So I very rarely do singles but general rule of thumb is extraction timing should be the same for single as double. Keep in mind the the flow rate through a single basket is much lower than a double basket. But not all single double basket combos are setup perfectly. I have used Baristapro single - double baskets which are engineered to use the same grind size and produce about the same timing. As @oracla wisely mentions it make take some experimenting/tasting. Taste is more important than time. Marc

[@osammah]

Very well-put answers. Thank you @oracla and Marc. I agree that it needs a lot of experimenting & I’m glad I could eventually manage to make consistent good single shots, without needing to change the grind size between the double and single (very slight adjustment in time, though) but I needed to ask the question because whom I’m arguing with regarding the single/double baskets are stubborn lol. And so I needed an outside source. Thanks again @oracla and Marc!

[@gokhangulsun371]

Wish we had more retailers selling Rancilios in Turkey. Just one here and the prices are no way competitive. Great video BTW. Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey GG, Maybe we'll get to Turkey someday! Just opened a site serving our Canadian friends! And thanks for the comment on the video! Marc

[@vermaanvesh]

Hi Marc what is you recommendations on choosing between Rancilio Silvia Pro Vs Rocket R Chinqantto can you please suggest about choosing amongst both the machines or make a detailed comparison Video! Looking forward for your opinion.. Thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AV, Thanks for the request. Might be a while before I can do a video directly comparing the Silvia Pro and Cinquantotto. But in case you missed it I do have the video on the Rocket machine: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpvNq6ptoLJ2i5I And here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of those machines with current pricing: /pages/compare?products=NDYzOTU2NDIzNDgwNiw0NzIzOTg5NDEzOTQy There's a very large price difference between the 2 machines! Marc

[@sopwinderbeen712]

So I finally have the machine and I also have the eureka grinder but I can’t figure out what grind size I need. Any tips

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi S, I sure do! Here's my video on how to dial in grind size - everything you need to know! kzbin.info/www/bejne/oIC8aHdmZ9Nnedk Marc

[@raduoancea1074]

Can you please try a comparison between Rancilio Silvia Pro and Profitec 300? I would be quite curious, as I'm trying to upgrade my espresso machine to an entry level dual boiler

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi RO, Well, It might be awhile before I get to a direct comparison of the 2 but I do have this video on the Pro 300: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoK7nmVrpbKLmtU Marc

[@limer4330]

The Profitec and ECM machines are the same price but look much nicer. I know that means nothing, but for someone who doesn't need a dual boiler (heat exchanger is just fine), why would I buy this over a Profitec 500?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Limer, Thanks for the question. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I agree Profitec and ECM do look nicer. The Pro 500 PID is one of my favorite HX machines. If you get flow control on the 500 it opens up a new range of extraction possibilities. If you don't need DB get the 500 - it's an excellent machine! Marc

[@Smellslikegelfling]

I think dual boiler is overrated, especially when you can get a Bezzera BZ13 PM for over $100 less than the Sylvia Pro. Yes, BZ13 is "only" a heat exchanger, but it has a PID too, and is just as temp stable with quicker heat up time, not to mention BZ13 is gorgeous compared to the utilitarian Sylvia.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi SR, Thanks for sharing your opinion! Nothing wrong with HX machines. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I agree the Silvia is a rather bland utilitarian box. Marc

[@bigglyguy8429]

Try making another coffee immediately after using the steam..? That's when you appreciate a dual boiler.

[@Smellslikegelfling]

@@bigglyguy8429 italian cafes have been doing it for decades with heat exchange machines.

[@MichaelAstor]

The auto wake feature seems cumbersome, if I wanted it to be ready at 6am each day do I have recompute and reset the delay instead of just setting the desired on time?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi MA, Thanks for the comment. I agree it's not the best way to do things. Fairly certain the Silvia Pro does not have internal time of day memory allowing for setting of actual times. Marc

[@leroybrown4797]

I'm looking to upgrade my expresso machine for my home coffee bar. I have a grinder. I'm looking for a semi- automatic expresso machine. Have any suggesions?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Leroy, Thanks for the question. I can suggest all day but need to know more about how you will use the machine and budget. If doing straight espresso, Americanos and very occasional milk drinks you could go with a Gaggia Classic Pro: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/gaggia-classic-pro-colors It's the best value in premium entry-level single boiler machines. If doing mostly milk drinks I recommend a machine with a heat-exchange boiler. With those you can brew and steam milk simultaneously. The Rocket Espresso Appartamento is entry-level in that category: www.wholelattelove.com/collections/rocket-espresso-appartamento-with-new-color-panels For the same price You can pick up the dual boiler Silvia Pro featured in this video. DBs can brew and steam at the same time as well and are consider a step up from HX machines. Much better temperature accuracy than the Appartamento as it has PID control of both boilers. Non PID HX boiler machines like the Appartamento will require cooling flush prior to pulling a shot. Hope that helps! If you'd like to provide more details on how you'd use a machine like drink types, frequency of use, what grinder you are (or will use) and your anticipated budget I'd be happy to provide more specifically matched machine options. If you'd like those just provide details in an original comment on this video. Marc

[@leroybrown4797]

@@Wholelattelovepage i love to make pumpkin spice lattes, i only really use it maybe once or twice a week. I'm using the Breville smart pro grinder. My anticipated budget is $1,000 USD.

[@bigglyguy8429]

@@Wholelattelovepage It's answers like that which make me love this channel :)

[@LordBiggleswade]

Hmmm, at the time of writing this comment, both the Silvia Pro and the Rocket Appartamento are the exact same price on your website. Would you gravitate towards one versus the other? It seems like the Silvia Pro offers quite a good value in comparison considering the dual boilers and PIDs. The Appartamento looks more impressive but there's a nice quality to the Silvia's simplistic design (at least to my eyes).

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LB, Thanks for the question and apologies for a delayed response - I've been off-line for a week. The Silvia Pro has a better feature set than the Appartamento as a dual boiler machine w/PID. With Rocket machines you generally pay a premium for the design aspects which have no affect on espresso quality. In use the Silvia is more consistent. The Appartamento is not PID so generally needs a cooling flush prior to an extraction. If you like the simplistic design of the Silvia then go for it! Marc

[@ukonthego]

@whole latte love hi I wanted to know how this machine compares to the profitec pro 300? I really like the look of the pp300 and want to buy it but i understand that it’s been on the market for a while and might be outdated. I want the rancilio silvia pro because it’s new but I don’t like the look of it and I’m not happy about the steam wand being hot. I know this is a tough question, but which one would you pick out of the two if it were your machine?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi u, That's a tough call. Machines are very similar in capabilities and I have no reason to believe one outperforms another. The Silvia Pro is a little more complex under the hood with 2 pumps instead of one as in the Pro 300. IMO the look of the Silvia Pro leave a little to be desired but other might appreciate the utilitarian aesthetic. Marc

[@sopwinderbeen712]

does this machine come with a tamp and a steam pitcher. I'm interested in purchasing it but I want to know if I am going to have to purchase those items separately

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey S, Thanks for the question. It includes a professional black wood tamper with stainless steel 58 mm flat base but no steaming pitcher. Marc

[@PhilipMachanick]

One longevity issue with my original Silvia: I had to replace the frame after over 10 years because it started to rust. Any idea if that would be an issue with a Pro? It says a lot about Italians’ priorities that in more than 10 years, this was the only major concern (only other repair needed: steam wand washer and O-rings) - vs. typical experience with Italian cars ;)

[@Jaroslav.]

The new Silvia V6 and the Pro both have a new stainless steel frame.

[@leon930]

Where I live the lelit Bianca costs about 160 euros more than this, whould it be worth getting this one or the Bianca?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi LA, Much larger price difference in US between the 2 - like >$1,100 USD. Silvia Pro is a great value here in comparison. Marc

[@johnf3668]

Thanks mark for the nice video. newbie here; if this machine doesn't have an E61 system, how do machines like this make up for that? Thanks!

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey John, You are welcome. One purpose of the E61is providing consistent brew head temps using a constantly circulating flow of water from the boiler out to the group via thermo-siphon when the machine is idle. The Silvia Pro has an integrated boiler over group design which warms the grouphead via passive heating due to proximity and heavyweight metal components. Marc

[@johnf3668]

@@Wholelattelovepage thanks marc; after doing my research, i just purchased a gaggia classic pro from WLL. Will pair it with a Baratza Sette 270. Best wishes!

[@marktenenbaum7912]

Marc - My 4-5 month old Sylvia Pro is getting very low water flow when I brew (and just brewing - the steam and hot water seem to be working just fine). After cleaning the shower screen and the shower screen holding plate, and running the backflush cleaning program (C01) several times, the problem persists. I was told by WLL's service dept. that the three-way solenoid may be clogged and that it's user serviceable. That's the one accessed from the front, correct? It is removable? If so, how? The location and connection seem different from the Gaggia (where I have watched your You Tube about cleaning the solenoid). It's not as obvious to me how I remove it from the boiler it is connected to, and how to take apart the solenoid myself. Is this something I can realistically do myself? I would love to avoid sending it back to Rochester for a warranty repair, but am a little intimidated about fixing it myself, so please let me know. Thanks.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Mark, I appreciate your patience waiting for my response. Was offline for holiday. Perhaps you've found the answer already but you are correct in the location of the valve and it is realistic to clean yourself.

[@ciskd9090]

Hi Marc did I see F.07 - Select main voltage (120v or 230v)? Is that mean I can use the same machine worldwide? Is it the only home espresso machine with this ability? I was researching this function on an espresso machine since a while.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AK, To best of my knowledge machine cannot be used worldwide. Specific models made for different power systems. It is strange there's that selection for voltage in the functions. Sticker on my US machine specifies 120V. Marc

[@kiwiandyt123]

Hi Marc, excellent detailed review as always. I'm about to upgrade from my aging E61 HX machine and this one is on my shortlist. My question is, is this enough of an upgrade? At a few hundred NZD more I can get the ECM Technika V with rotary pump, or for a few hundred $ more again I can possibly get the all-singing, all-dancing Profitec pro 700. The more expensive machines look beautiful, and should last me a lifetime, but the jump in price compared to the Silvia Pro could buy a whole lot of coffee! Do you have any thoughts on this conundrum?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Andrew, Decisions right? IMO the Pro 700 is at another level in capabilities (and price of course) compared to the Silvia Pro. Depends on how far you go with espresso but flow control of the E61 group opens up a whole new world of extraction possibilities. There was a point in life (paying for 3 kids in college) when I had no choice but to look at value. As I'm past most of that now and the associated sacrifices I tend to go for quality and what makes me happy - ya, I'm old enough the Pro 700 will probably outlive me ;) If it's something I'm using daily and for a very long time I'm willing to pay more to get there. My rational self amortizes the cost difference over the term. If difference in daily cost makes sense I can justify the expense and look back down the road and be happy with the decision and have no regrets. But, that's just me. Marc

[@kiwiandyt123]

@@Wholelattelovepage Thanks Marc for your thoughtful reply. I'm with you that it pays to "buy once, buy right" if you can. Given I have had my HX machine for 15 years (gulp!) the overall cost of the machine is only cents per cup of coffee, so the value equation stacks up. Given I'm looking for another long term purchase I think I'm just going to have to make the leap to the best I can afford. Thanks again, Andrew

[@Wholelattelovepage]

My pleasure! Please understand I’m not here to push you into something just sharing my thoughts. Cheers, Marc

[@kiwiandyt123]

@@Wholelattelovepage Yes, I understand that - I just appreciate your opinion!

[@Wachuko-1]

Thank you for the review. Price wise this is right there with a Rocket Espresso Appartamento and the Crem ONE HX PID Espresso Machine... When all this pandemic is under control we will start traveling more to our second home and we need a machine there... so I was looking at alternatives within this price range. Any comparison, based on price, coming soon?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey JOD, Personally I'd go with either the Crem One HX PID or the Silvia Pro over the Appartamento. Just no way ignoring the better brew temps of the PID machines plus no need to do a cooling flush. Some might prefer using flushes on the Appartamento to make quick changes to brew temps or prefer the looks/design of one over the other. Marc

[@philwhite5489]

@@Wholelattelovepage how does the Crem One HX PID compare to the Profitec Pro 300? I know the former is a heat exchange setup and the latter a dual boiler, but aside from that, which do you prefer (as a home use machine, no more than four or five double shots per day, 2 or so milk steaming drinks)? Anyone else who owns one or the other machines care to chime in?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Phil, Thanks for the question. Here's our video review of the Crem One HX: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJzMlGaCm7usj80 Here's our video review of the Pro 300: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qoK7nmVrpbKLmtU And here's a side by side spec comparison of the machines w/current pricing: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=NDgzNjM4MjI0NDkxOCwxNTQ1OTk4Nzk0ODEx We've been using a Crem One as our daily driver in the studio for a few months now and like it a lot. Beside the boiler difference there's the group. Crem is E61 the Pro 300 is a boiler over group design. Beyond that, the Crem is a more modern design with plastic here and there while the Pro 300 is all metal. Personally, I like the large open deck and huge drip tray of the Crem, lever operation and easier view of gauges. Used properly both are equally capable of excellent extractions and frothing performance. Dual boiler in the Pro 300 gives extra precision in boiler temps but the Crem does fine in that respect. Hope that helps! Marc

[@philwhite5489]

@@Wholelattelovepage very helpful, Marc. Thanks for the kind and insightful response.

[@JoseGabelaCuesta]

Hi Mark, have you heard comments about the programmed wake up function, not working properly when the machine is set to turn on after 5+ hours?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JGC, No I have not.

[@JoseGabelaCuesta]

@@Wholelattelovepage it actually works up to 9 hours max time; confirmed by Rancilio :(

[@gracemoonsunkim]

Could you please compare Silvia Pro to S1 Mini Vivaldi (La Spaziale) ?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Moon, Thanks for the request. I'd love to unfortunately I do not have the S1. Marc

[@dashpauldash]

Compared to the Profitec PRO 300... any pros/cons?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Paul, Thanks for the question. Here's a link to a side by side spec comparison of those machines: www.wholelattelove.com/pages/compare?products=MTU0NTk5ODc5NDgxMSw0NzIzOTg5NDEzOTQy IMO: They are very similar machine with brew boiler over group design and PID. Silvia Pro's drip tray is smaller. But, it does have functions like automatic boiler draining etc not found on the Pro 300. Hope that helps! Marc

[@ammibones9984]

Do the pumps get the water directly from gallon or we should fill the water in to the tank?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi BS, Thanks for the question. You will need to fill the reservoir at back of machine with water. The Silvia Pro is not plumbable direct to waterline. Marc

[@ammibones9984]

@@Wholelattelovepage okay.. Thanks Marc.

[@dyvel]

Can you give me your best reasons not to buy this espresso machine? What kind of person would it take to justify buying this one over the gaggia classic or the standard silvia?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Tor, Hmmm, Odd request. Kind of person who would buy this machine over the others is one who wants stable and predictable brew temps and ability to extract espresso and steam milk simultaneously. Marc

[@dyvel]

@@Wholelattelovepage Yeah, I know it sounds odd. It's just the kind of question that gives my reasoning process some balance, since it on first glance appears to lack apparent weaknesses. If you don't consider the price a weakness of course. It's far easier to argue for than against it for someone like me who have little knowledge of the alternatives out there. Thanks for your help!

[@Daniel-dl6fp]

Hey love your channel but im just wondering if the baratza ancore would grind fine enough for espresso in an unpressurised basket i have a delonghu kg79 and im looking to upgrade as the delonghi dosent grind fine enough and has lumps if not could you please recommend a grinder good enough 150 euro or lower thanks

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi D, Thanks for the question. The Encore can grind fine enough. One hold back is you will not have very precise control of grind size using the Encore. It's a grinder that I usually only recommend for use with pressurized baskets for that reason. Really no grinders at that price which I can recommend for non-pressurized baskets. Marc

[@Daniel-dl6fp]

@@Wholelattelovepage thats brilliant thanks for the reply i love your channel keep up the great work

[@vermaanvesh]

Can you please tell us if this machine Silvia Pro is capable of doing Pre Infusion?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi AV, Thanks for the question. The Silvia Pro does not do pre-infusion. Marc

[@vermaanvesh]

@@Wholelattelovepage What is your opinion does Pre Infusion matters a lot or can be ignored while buying an espresso machine?

[@JoseGabelaCuesta]

Does it have more steaming power than the V6 ver?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi JGC, Thanks for the question. For sure! It's a dual boiler so steam is always available - no waiting. With PID temp control of the dedicated 1L service boiler you can adjust the steam presssure to fit your frothing skill level. As seen in video it took 18 seconds (at max PID temp setting) to take 5oz/150ml milk from 45F to finished temp of 140F/60C. Marc

[@ballisonfargo]

What happened to Expobar, anyway?

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Brad, Crem/Expobar has decided to no longer sell non NSF rated machines in the US. But, look for new NSF machines coming soon under the Crem brand. Marc

[@rcpmac]

You sure the OPV vents cool water?

[@oracla]

From what can bee seen, there is no other way? The OPV is connected directly to the water pump and thus cool water. After the OPV, water goes into the boiler.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi R, Very sure! OPV is inline prior to the boiler. Marc

[@aaronhagen5769]

I wish people would review the noise level!!! The pump for the steam boiler is super loud and vibrates the whole machine to the extent you can’t have cups on top rattling to bits 🤦‍♂️ Its literally that loud it wakes up the entire house. I should have stuck with just my 15 year old Silvia which was awesome. Why release a machine like this with such a massive issue/fault

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Aaron, Thanks for sharing your experience. Extra noise/vibration can often be traced to the pump knocking on a nearby component in the machine. Often an easy fix to adjust position of the offending component which reduces vibration.

[@billinrio]

"New" this year and already scheduled to be discontinued. Rancilio just announced the "Pro X". With it they've added a pressure gauge on the front panel and (something they apparently forgot to do with the Pro) pre-infusion. Too bad for all of those people who bought the Pro. I've seen suggestions for a user "upgrade kit" for the Pro, but that's not going to happen, since it would require finding a place for a pressure gauge and the user would have to be able to deal with opening up the innards and changing internal wiring - with the possible shock hazards involved. If the people at Rancilio were truly concerned about their customers they would offer to upgrade the Pro model (perhaps for a $200 fee, which is the cost difference between the two). Their immediate problem is what to do with all of those in-stock Pro models. Who would buy one now when for slightly more you can buy a Pro X?

[@lc3108]

What’s your opinion on profitec 300 in comparison to Silvia pro x?

[@maxfactor4209]

Sad, Not full Stainless Steel

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi max, That's correct. Guessing that would significantly increase the price. Marc

[@Jaroslav.]

@@Wholelattelovepage No, that's not correct. Both Silvia V6 and Silvia Pro have a new stainless steel frame and body.

[@maxfactor4209]

@@Wholelattelovepage Rancilio says the frame is black painted stainless steel (unlike the older models)

[@Jaroslav.]

@@maxfactor4209 And that’s absolutely correct. They politely confirmed this to me as well and i fully trust their statement. I’ve had my Silvia V6 since June 2020. I’ve somehow managed to scratch the surface under and around the drip tray already and i’ve never had any rust issues. There’s water leaking under the drip tray constantly and i’ve never seen any rust anywhere.

[@rcpmac]

Hey max, I’m 12 years in happily pulling shots from my pasquini Livia 90. It is stainless and has a painted steel frame and not a speck of rust. Great machine BTW. This may be due the quality of the coating and possibly because the drip tray is plastic with a SS grate so there’s no abrasion against the frame when emptying. I wouldn’t let the steel frame be a deal breaker.

[@waleedwaleed1887]

Haw match in KSA

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi WW, Thanks for the question. No idea :(. Here's pricing in US: www.wholelattelove.com/products/ecm-synchronika-dual-boiler-with-flow-control Marc

[@tompiscitelli2548]

No rotary pump? deal breaker.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hey Tom, Entry into dual boiler rotary pump is the Bezzera Duo: www.wholelattelove.com/products/bezzera-duo-mn-dual-boiler-espresso-machine Also gets you E61 group and more. Fairly significant jump in price. Marc

[@alexanderturl]

Shame it’s such an ugly machine. Honestly

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi B, Feature first, great price! Marc

[@sandyd4271]

first

[@cm9186]

Think Justin Dale beat you by 5 minutes lol

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi Sandy - fast as usual! JD bait removed - you were first Marc

[@mtksbctk]

🙄

[@cristim9779]

Is way too expensive man! Instead Rancilio should have fitted a PID like that on the Silvia or leave us alone.

[@event4216]

Go to espresso bar two-three times a day and learn how fast it gets expensive) Coffee isn't cheap habit. Even drinking instant is expensive if you research price of powder for one cup.

[@Wholelattelovepage]

Hi cristi, @Event 42 makes a good point on cost relative to coffee shop. Single boiler Silvia retails for ~$735. There are aftermarket PID upgrade kits available for that but by the time you're done installing price is near $1,000. And on that PIDd single boiler you're still waiting for steam and brew temps (even with the PID) are nowhere near as accurate as those on a PID machine with dedicated brew boiler. Then there's additional functionality on the DB like shot timer, dual pumps, automated backflush, boiler draining, etc. Compared to toher DB machines the Silvia Pro has a much lower price point. Marc