Review - Star Trek: Into The Unknown - The Pros and Cons

[@ajlynch123]

Wait. Shouldn’t this video have been called Pros and Khans? 🤣🤣🤣

[@Crabbok]

I think you just won the internet today!

[@Raddekopp]

You forgot about 5 “aaaaa”s in Khaaaaaan 😂

[@smmikeman]

Well done sir. 😂

[@entilzha1283]

I can see the entire Vulcan homeworld raise their eyebrows all at once.

[@sgklassen]

​@@entilzha1283but only one of their eyebrows

[@kingbobb007]

After playing the demo kit, my impression was that this game is perfect for Trek RPG games that want to run ship encounters.

[@entilzha1283]

Prepping this for my after school classes... Kids have been hounding me since the alleged October release 😂

[@jedidalek]

Looks fantastic. Sadly i’m poor and it lost out to Halo Flashpoint for my hobby money this year. Fortunately Flashpoint turned out great.

[@laterz2268]

I’ll definitely be purchasing this. I like what I see so far and having other objectives besides combat is a big plus.

[@swo_01]

Superb overview!! Now just holding out for the Battle of the Mutara Nebula dual set….

[@dynestis2875]

Wait, what??

[@swo_01]

@ Alas, no insider info here, just casting my ultimate fantasy into the void. But seriously WizKids, take my money….

[@Loxen86]

Im also excited that there could be more overtured, situations and complications with new expansions

[@chaikaomoua1169]

I like it that it's not all combat focused, it feels like I'm really in the star trek universe and experiencing the situations which was not always combat.

[@RetroMaticGamer]

I'm just hoping this doesn't wind up like X-Wing and Attack Wing, where you end up forced to buy a ship you don't want just to get one single upgrade/crew card you absolutely must have to stay competitive.

[@chiju]

Expansions won't be sold by the single ship. They will be "Exploration Packs" of about 5 ships each, with a bunch of mission content. (Technically, ship singles will be sold, but they have stated that these will not have any exclusive content. It's just the bare minimum to field an additional ship of that class.)

[@David-ys4ud]

​@chiju except you are wrong. They are already selling solo ships.

[@stlgraywolf4283]

At first, I wanted it to be Star Trek Armada, too. But it actually seems much more like its own type of game that brings in all the best bits of Star Trek. I'm super excited to get this on my table. LLAP!

[@jediguy634]

100% Agree the art for this game is exceptional.

[@jordanbeard6687]

Excited for this game, so far it looks like it fits somewhere between X-Wing and Armada but with more of a story element to it.

[@lunatantric6060]

Ohhh....liking this much better then the last one that was x-wing based. also be great for A Call To Arms as well game.

[@acebadgerboy]

Great review and it’s a fun game (my current obsession😂) - looking forward to getting the full core set rather just the clubs preview kit

[@raymondwright5996]

I can’t wait for Voyager.

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

ewwww

[@fieldmarshall]

Oh yes! And armored Voyager or season finale Enterprise D... So many possibilities.

[@shaunkrogulski9619]

Great overview, I probably will wait to see if they come out with more factions before investing.

[@Crabbok]

More are absolutely planned! I believe Klingons are the next to come out

[@estevandelgado8329]

This game looks great. The only thing i dont care for at first glance is the movement, but Armada and Xwing spoiled me for that. I cant wait for Klingon and Romulan ships to be released.

[@TomMurrath]

The dial system for alert / power allocation looks pretty nice

[@michaelwain3198]

It would be nice if they did a pure combat specific version of it or a pure combat mode, as lets face it, that's what would get most wargamers into i. Of course many Star Trek fans would appreciate all the other trekkie elements as well. The models do look nice, I'd love to see the other factions, like the Romulans, Cardassians, Ferengi and especially the Klingons

[@chaikaomoua1169]

I'm sure you can adapt this game to work in the Star Trek Attack Wing game if you just want combat only?

[@torlumnitor8230]

They were able to pack in all of the mechanics for great narrative play and make the combat fun? That sounds pretty rad.

[@jerseygeneral3722]

I've been waiting for my preorder since the original release date. I'm really hoping to get it soon as it looks great to me.

[@TyHunterX]

Models are looking Great! Can’t wait to try it out later this week

[@jimford6478]

A consistently great channel. Another strong video

[@itsallfunandgames723]

I'm surprised you don't get the whole crew of the Enterprise. It's a core set that definitely makes you want to have more ships and factions to play. I hope it's fun.

[@jamescampbell863]

Thanks for the video - this wasn’t what I expected in the game - like you I was thinking this was going to be an X-Wing reskin. This looks really thematic for Star Trek fans and the potential for narratives is seemingly unlimited and will get even better with future releases. Great overview of the game. Thank you!

[@dr.gigglesprout6006]

Cannot wait to get this in hand and play through the starter campaign! Hopefully shops start sending out pre-orders soon!

[@darklordofcaliban3551]

Those are some great looking minies that can be used in other games too.

[@josephmoberly2109]

Appreciate the honest video, can’t wait to play the game!

[@fieldmarshall]

Thank you for the comparison to Rebellion. I was afraid this will be too rules heavy for my groups, but Rebellion is a favorite, so if it feels like that, it may be doable.

[@torpedo8384]

Any word on expansion sets? I’m mostly interested in the ships since they seem to roughly in a universal scale.

[@dynestis2875]

There are plans to at least introduce Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and supposedly the Bajoran. 3 potentially leaked names for expansions are _Honor and Glory_ , _Rising Tensions_ and _Scars of Occupation_

[@Loxen86]

The quality is pretty high. I just got my set. Need to make some time to figure out how to play this now!

[@paulnelson669]

thanks for all the info you’ve putting out for the game! Really cool that you got to try it out with the designers. I’ve got high hopes for and look forward to seeing it on my table… BUT is there a street date yet???? Can’t even pre order on MM either.

[@Crabbok]

Try to preorder directly from wiz kids - that might work faster?

[@MrJerks93]

My only complaint (not having played it of course) is that Picard is positioned in front of Sisko. It's the Dominion War! Come on.

[@rascalqueen5426]

Have they mentioned anything about Romulan inclusions? They're pretty iconic to the Dominion War period but I'm trying to imagine a D'deridex miniature that's in scale with that Galaxy and it'd be a box unto itself at that rate.

[@dynestis2875]

They said that the upcoming races should be the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians and Bajorans.

[@roguerifter9724]

I like the fleet makeup more then I expected too but they need some midsized ships for the Dominion and a wider variety of small and midsized ships for both sides IMO. I'm the kind of player who uses swarms of small or midsized ships for the main force of their fleets usually. Also I wonder why the Federation fleet is mostly ships from the TNG series, including one that was long antiquated when the Dominion War began, instead of using some of the ships introduced in the TNG movies? I would easily take a Steamrunner, Norway, or a Sabre over a Constellation and IMO they would make more sense. Honestly did we actually see any Constellations fighting during the on screen Dominion War battles? Edit: Wasn't the Hathaway decommissioned and stripped then reactivated just long enough for a war game before getting decommissioned again long before the Dominion War? (Season two or three of TNG) Also how can it take place during season two of DS9 if it includes the Defiant (Not reactivated until season three's premiere) and involves Starfleet fighting the Dominion when the first battle between the two factions didn't take place until the DS9 Season two finale?

[@JasonLandis-uz4nc]

Nice review. So excited to get my copy soon. I think it’s all about the expectations. If people are expecting Star Trek Armada, they may be disappointed. But if you come into it expecting a brand new experience then it should be awesome. Can’t wait to see what expansions they come out with!

[@drewgrgich]

Love your videos! Thanks for your views on these great games.

[@AlfredJuul-q8s]

I remember David Montgomery talking about this game over a year ago.

[@elniesreiz3141]

Damit, I was on the fence, but your conclusio with the comparison to Rebellion brought me back in the game. You are going to cost me a lot of money.

[@fanelli78]

I used to love playing Star Trek Attack Wing and then it just got to be too much playing the monthly encounters trying to get the chase ships or the colored bases or special dice, whatever they thought of next for WizKids to get another 100 bucks a month

[@xombie7979]

do you know what happen to Mel Miniatures shapeway page?

[@Quinsec]

Great review! I've preordered my core set... I saw on their webpage that the first drop afterward is a solo Enterprise-D? Do you know what the logic behind that is, since it already comes in the core set and is unplayable without it? Would there be any point in getting it since we all will have it by default?

[@ThatBillmanGuy]

The ability to run Two/Three galaxy classes, is my guess.

[@David-ys4ud]

People also order these ships as decorations.

[@Quinsec]

@@ThatBillmanGuy I'm hoping, in such a case, that they have some more "generic" flair to it - making the one in the core box the USS Odyssey would have been nice? They could have sold the Enterprise alone without packaging it in the core set. Painting and renaming the ship model is going to get interesting, otherwise.

[@Edward-Plantagenet]

Looks quite interesting. More so than Drop Fleet Commander. Is there a Klingon based fleet / expansion out yet or due?

[@thehikingcucumber3410]

Game looks amazing. Easy gift choice for the holidays!

[@SnEaKyGiTau]

constellation class what a random ship to pick for this pack, wasn't that Hathaway the junk ship Riker used in a training exercise?

[@lordnovas]

Do you think this game lends itself well to the movement tool from Starwars Armada

[@ajlynch123]

We’ll see how the game plays, but a big part of me just wants all the amazing scale models so that I can use em for my own made up game lol

[@henrythomsonii6887]

Ordered my copy!

[@Ironbudha23]

Very cool. Very likely to get this gsme

[@darkminstrel2041]

I loved Armada because it was fleet combat, which was a rarity in Trek. I appreciate your honest review because it looks like I'll be passing on this one, it's just not my flavour.

[@joshf2685]

Any news on alternative starters? The Dominion war was great but the Dominion still feels foreign to the Universe.

[@Crabbok]

I've heard whispers that there might be a similar box with federation vs Klingon ships.

[@Palmerrip]

What is the difference between this and Attack Wing?

[@nathanpatten3697]

Those are infact still photos of the cast, which have been painted over to give them that look. I guess it technicslly qualifies as art. But is really more like tracing. Still looks nice. Very common thesedays for thumbnails as well, which is curious, might help best copyrights by being transformative.

[@Salty_Sassenach]

If you're a Star Trek fan, you'll absolutely love the Star Trek short Unification. Have plenty of tissues at the ready

[@Crabbok]

t was pretty great!

[@rightwoke]

The lack of narrative play is what destroyed x-wing and Armad for me and my play group. This game may have those cool play elements where there is more to do than just blow up ships. But the play elements, movement and combat, seem awkward and wonky and and may be this games Achilles heel.

[@phaedeknight9835]

Minis look great, movement seems a bit tedious.

[@scottdronfield176]

Are you planning on trying out the new edition of Middle Earth strategy battle game? Looks fun with the tie in to the new movie

[@jerryhardman6365]

I don't know why by I've always had a thing for the Excelsior class. She's a big fat beautiful ship. I can't wait till they have one in game! I am excited to get this game. If the delivery date is accurate I should be holding my own Enterprise D in a day or two!!!!

[@johnfahey5357]

Excelsior has always been my favorite Federation starship - elegant, sleek, modern looking. Great design.

[@voltage2773]

I don’t want to be overly critical, but it seemed like in the demo play video you did with the designers the ships all just clumped together in one spot and didn’t really do much maneuvering afterwards. Do you think this was mostly due to the tutorial mission you were playing or will this be the norm?

[@Crabbok]

I think that was more indicative of the combat aspect. Once you start shooting alot, you have less and less power available for movement - so that was the portion we spent much of that time on. The game as a whole is actually FAR more about movement, exploration, and diplomacy than I showed - but I also know that alot of my audience would want to see the combat - so that's what we focused that first video on.

[@voltage2773]

Thank you so much for your response and explanation. 😊

[@jeramikolberg9532]

I think it should be split up into different time frames like TOS.The movie time line then TNG

[@guts4328]

Did they ever say they will release the Borg as a playable fleet?

[@Crabbok]

Unlikely. At least any time soon.

[@larabicsworkshop]

I want to like this so much, but am intimidated by all the symbols and such. I could learn it, but will i ever be able to teach anyone enough to learn the game? Most encouraged about the Ferengi symbol, hopefully a ferengi expansion in the future!

[@MrDulkes]

So? Is it any good? I watched the whole thing, but I still don’t know the answer.

[@ajlynch123]

I get the feeling this game is trying to blend the feels of TNG one-off mystery stories with the epic feels of DS9. I wonder if that might be too much to fit into one game. I really just want a Trek space combat game where I can field 6-12 starships for an all-out brawl, but I think they’re trying to draw in those TNG fans where epic space battles just didn’t really happen.

[@keithpalmer4547]

Can't wait to get mine!

[@entilzha1283]

Any notice on the real release date?

[@timroemer1]

Excited for this game!

[@ifandbut]

Why the hell didn't they use the Armada movement tool? That thing was amazing. This tool looks like a pain to use.

[@jeramikolberg9532]

I still think Battle Fleet Gothic is better.

[@D3rpp00l]

By the time that big Dominion ship was introduced, Enterprise D had been destroyed for two years. So it being in this set makes no sense from a lore perspective. That said, still nice to have the super detailed miniature available. Thanks for taking the time to explain the game.

[@bradyvelvet9432]

Yeah they’re ignoring continuity just for playing the game.

[@D3rpp00l]

Figured it was nostalgia bait. Which is fine, but the Ent-E was around by then (Though not in combat because....reasons...lol).

[@jlvfr]

What, no Bird of Prey or D7 on the 1st box?!

[@Kamov66]

No mention of Elim Garak? is he in the game? seems he would be great for covert diplomatic missions??? and does Sisko get God like powers in later expansions? So he can just totally Nerf the Dominion in a wormhole..lol

[@Crabbok]

So even though he's an "outcast" in the show, Garak would still probably end up being included in a Cardassian expansion - probably a dual faction character though for sure.

[@MCK3274]

The core set is all that is available for this game so far, correct?

[@Crabbok]

The core set mostly is. There is also a standalone Enterprise that has a metallic paint job, but it has no new game components. It's mostly just for collectors.

[@michealcormier2555]

I'm surprised with how expensive the starter box is.

[@NathanielMiller]

Um, the Enterprise-D was destroyed within a couple months of contact with the Dominion. The war didn't start until well into the Sovereign-class -E's service.

[@DarkAutumnScribe]

Is there a release date, yet?

[@Crabbok]

Pre-Orders have already started shipping and I believe Stores should have it in December for the most part.

[@babu981]

I'm so sad there is no coop/solo mode :(

[@PersonlApocalypz]

The game looks great. My only struggle is the backlog of games I’ve already built up. Pile of shame is too large

[@jeremybunyard4054]

I want it for the minis even if I don't get to play much.

[@LukianPeterson]

Is it Worf buying? 😂 Will this game Dominion SW Armada?

[@dynestis2875]

Lol

[@kurtl8425]

I really want to like this game.

[@DarthP00P00]

I feel like this would have been a better video game then tabletop game.

[@joeswift403]

The movement tool is the only part of this that I'm not so impressed with. I'm guessing they needed to have something different to X-wing, Armada or Attack Wing to avoid IP issues

[@billdeal]

Can we get AMG to hand Armada over to wizkids? No interest in the star trek IP for a tabletop game really but if they can do prepainted ships let's get some more Armada

[@oldschooloverlord]

Wave 1: Bajoran sail ship. Do it, you cowards!

[@Zeithri]

What I don't understand is why no one is addressing the goose in the room... That these are just enlarged, reprints of Star Trek Attack Wing, which itself was a reprint of Micro Machines: Star Trek? Sure, they look great and I want them-but it's just repeating what they already made before. It's nothing new. Honestly I just recommend getting Attack Wing over this. 5:53 - That, may just be the dumbest tool I've seen in a boardgame.. 10:40 - This 'pad' looks interesting but, again. Eh.

[@holden88]

These are not enlarged reprints of Attack Wing. And Attack Wing Ships were not reprints of Micro Machines. All three have distinctly different molds. There are numerous reproductions of Star Trek ships, from scale plastic models to die cast collectables, Hot Wheels and even Xmas ornaments. They are not all reprints of one another.

[@NickS-o9o]

Could it have been made any more fidly?

[@MegaBearsFan]

This looks like a better version of Star Trek: Fleet Captains.

[@Ziplomatic007]

I really like what the game designers are trying to do, but there are things I am seeing that give me pause. They picked the biggest and smallest ships and put them in the same box which gaurantees you are going to have scale issues. Phaser range of 6" and scanning range of 2" when your ship is 7" shows you the scale compared to the table space is way, way off. It doesn't seem like engaging gameplay to pick the very best crew for a particular station. Seems like there is always a clear choice. The turning dial slotting into the base seems really fiddly and uneccessary. I am going to watch this closely. If they come out with a huge line of ships, I am in. I will just purchase medium and smaller and make it work because ships that large on a 36" playing space give almost no tactical maneuverability. On the plus side, that Constellation class would look awesome in my Attack Wing collection.

[@GreyG88479]

Looks interesting, and it seems pretty deep. I was hoping to be more combat focused for a Star Trek themed game.

[@jerryhardman6365]

I believe the developers said that down the road they were definitely going to create a system that focuses on combat, especially larger fleet based combats! Which is very appropriate for the Dominion war.

[@Spiran_SphereHunter]

Doesn't look like its made its way out of the US, Even Ebay is void of sets

[@dexterd02]

The pros and Khans? Lol thanks for the vid!

[@GundamFireStorm]

This Looks Like a REALLY Cool Game! I really want to Play it! But... I'm Going to be THAT Guy who says "Um Actually..." The Enterprise D Crashed Some time in Season 4 of DS9. Worf Comes and joins the Ds9 Crew and Sisco Conveys His sympathies for the Loss of the Enterprise. The Dominion War did not Start Until the End of Season 5 of Ds9.

[@jockcop4205]

This is set at the beginning of the “Cold War” period with the dominion which starts at the end of season 2 and ends when the dominion war starts properly at the end of season 5. The idea is chart the progress all the way through that period. “Dominion war is just a short hand way of covering that whole time period. During that time period you have other conflicts like the cardsssian/klingon war and the federation/Klingon war which they will cover too. In terms of of officers, at the moment word and Oberon are playing double duty. They are clearly representing their TNG versions by they can be used in the defiant etc if you want. They have said they plan on bringing out multiple versions of characters. Sisko is his goatee with hair mid season 3 commander version but they will definitely bring out a captain version when they get closer to that timeline.

[@Crabbok]

So the thing about "Generations" is that there is, I believe, a discrepancy between the timeline of when the film actually released, vs when in the timeline those events take place. The Enterprise D was destroyed in 2271and DS9 launched in 2269, which puts them approx 2 years apart, which should make it around Season 2 - ish, but before Season 3?

[@adamzahzouh136]

Its not that deep bro

[@itsallfunandgames723]

Arthur C. Clarke said all of his sequel novels to 2001 took place in slightly different alternate universes, to explain the discrepancies between them. That was one author responsible for writing four novels with pretty small discrepancies between them, consider how much worse it is with teams of different writers, across hundreds of episodes and around a dozen films, often having little concern for consistency with previous works. There's pretty big discrepancies in all that, so I'd go with Clarke's excuse when dealing with Star Trek too.

[@ajlynch123]

Might not have been the D, but it was a Galaxy class starship that fought the first engagement with the Dominion in the season 2 finale of DS9. It’d be nice if these ships didn’t have the ship name on them but came with decals so you could customize each Federation ship in your collection.

[@MrFallingfromgrace]

Finally got my copy of this game and … if I wasn’t disappointed by the vids on game play which looks boring as heck I thought perhaps at least the ships would be to scale … and double disappointing… so the defiant and fighters are way way too small and the battle cruiser is way too big … sadly this will be a collection dead end … the defiant should be at least be just between 1/3 or 1/4 the length of the enterprise and it’s 1/6th … and the battle cruiser should be length wise shorter than the enterprise… it seems like their older Attack wing defiant would be to scale but to get people to re purchase miniatures they reduced the scale … also my constellation is also not to scale as it should almost be half the length of the enterprise but it’s at best 1/4 … it also feels like at any second the warp engines are going to snap off the connection is so flimsy… and NO the enterprise connection between saucer and secondary isn’t great at all

[@ryolacap]

never liked the saucer separation, the movement is ridiculous. So many better ways to do it. I like they finally got rid of stills for the pictures

[@Get_off_my_bridge]

The Dominion War is great, but what about us TNG fans? We want the full Enterprise crew. Hopefully we don't have to wait long for expansions.

[@Crabbok]

I have a feeling that the rest of the Enterprise crew may come with a Sovereign in an Enterprise-E Expansion at some point.

[@jeremybunyard4054]

Let's hope so! That's definitely an expansion I'd love for us to get.

[@dynestis2875]

Ooooh yes! ​@@Crabbok

[@RetroMaticGamer]

Am I the only person who's disappointed that they paired the box set up like this? Why the Enterprise-D vs. a Dominion cruiser? When did THAT ever happen on the show? It should have been Romulan ships. Dominion ships, while fitting opponents for the Defiant, would have worked better against Klingons in a "Blaze of Glory" expansion.

[@Crabbok]

Well technically the first attack by the Dominion was against a Galaxy Class ship - so it's pretty accurate in terms of the class of ship. But they also knew they had to appeal to the widest majority of fans, so if you're going to make Star Trek, Picard and the Enterprise also had to be included.

[@dmwiggy7661]

It looks cool but not at $149.99

[@korbyynbear5592]

Ya lost me at "Lower Decks"

[@cphi775]

👀

[@bneil4059]

The movement with tools like this looks a little hokie. What ever happened to hexes? Same thing happening to Battletech. Another $100+ core game, I dunno where the hobby is going anymore.

[@urloony]

wow, that movement tool and system looks abysmal.