Reviewed! HORI - PS4 and SWITCH arcade style controllers for『Project DIVA MEGA MIX』&『Future Tone DX』

[@zedamex]

Note that I've heard the non Japanese versions of the game has not got the dedicated controller patch update. So You may be forced to double dip and play the Japanese game to use this controller properly

[@squallheart]

Thanks for the heads up was interested in the controller but dont want to double dip on the game again lol. I still have my ps3 mini controller sitting in my closet since it wont work on ps4 😢

[@zedamex]

@@squallheart Yea check the game patch notes, but yeah not long before HORI closes orders now too

[@merryberry7239]

why does the western version even exist... so many outdated they can't even add the DX to the menu since outside Asia no one got DX for FT and of course no English subs since X. Owell... I wish I could have one of your controller but I'm poor AF and maybe ...worse off soon I just got FT DX I'm not the best player but I have never played the arcade version despite a game place near me having them but now closed to current events.

[@PhoenixSniperTTG]

I just got this controller yesterday and found this video while trying to research the problem, I have the English version and I'm kinda pissed, I never expected that the option would be straight up MISSING! I REEEALLY don't want to buy the Japanese version but I'm already in too deep lol.

[@zedamex]

@@PhoenixSniperTTG I've been asking around about it with the 1.10 / 1.11 patch etc, but it seems no update is including it, very weird considering Megamix on switch has it...

[@sigonasr2]

Thanks so much for the video. Very comprehensive and you were able to confirm whether or not the controllers worked on their counterparts (Switch/PS4 working on Future Tone/Megamix swapper). Could not find this information anywhere else online. Glad I found your video!

[@zedamex]

Great to hear. Of course some third party adapters will likely work but can't see using them without adding a little input lag. I can't test this

[@freddiebensonstan7037]

The production quality is soooooo good why didnt this video get more views?

[@zedamex]

I think KZbin thinks I'm a spam channel so I can't monetize and probably never show up in general searches. I'll do a cleanup and re-apply for monetization to see if it changes the analytics soonish.

[@stratoside8647]

your video is really detailed but I'm surprised you didn't mention the actual hardware used. I think they use mechanical switches on the hori version while arcade uses optical switches. and I'm so sad that I just saw this today... I didn't know re-sale was happening. Literally 25hours left until it ends lol, hopefully this proxy site can order for me in time Thanks for the review, makes me sad how little view it has considering how much effort you've put in to it

[@zedamex]

Yeah I don't see any technical hardware specs on the button switches covered on the official site and didn't dare pull the controller apart so I didn't cover. I didn't want to put my trust into reddit posters but I wou'dn't be surprised if what you say is 100% accurate.

[@TownDarling]

Your voice is so chill and relaxing, I’d love to see more deep dive reviews like this one!

[@zedamex]

Working on another now

[@imyojimboandiusehacks8878]

I'll never have this, no availability, no space, no money... :') Anyway, that was a great video. Loved the in-depth explanations of the differences between them, along with the footage comparing them to the arcade. Very well done :)

[@daotin2997]

You must have had a lot of money to have and buy both of them........... x2

[@zedamex]

It was a joint effort order, the other controllers have gone to their respective owners now

[@stevenbode9163]

Thx for the video, where can I find the same style of pair of gloves ?

[@zedamex]

These were 5th anniversary gloves sold at Tokyo Gameshow. I haven't checked but I don't like the odds to find unused ones now. But perhaps in future miku or gameshow conventions, new ones may come available.

[@petit-pedestre2334]

Great in-depth review, just what I was looking for! Quick question though: For the Switch, and assuming I don't have input lag on TV, what delay should I set the game on?

[@zedamex]

Best to have a low input lag display. But because every display and person is different. You need to experiment. Start by trying the beat matching configuration tool like 10 times and taking an average of those results.

[@NekoNyaska]

I have such a controller for the Nintendo Switch, and very often button presses are not counted, mainly on the buttons "B" and "A". This makes me very upset because it prevents me from playing normally. I watched videos of other people and they have exactly the same problems. Does this mean that a few people are just out of luck with this controller? ( I use google translator, sorry for the mistakes.

[@zedamex]

I haven't had any problems with the 2020 controllers. Did you try reseating the button? Take the A and B buttons off and click it back in. Maybe check for dust built up inside the cups. Also make sure the surface the controller sits on is not too soft. I had better performance on the ground than on a bed. I had that issue with the full sized project diva F controller but after taking the button off and putting it back on it worked properly again.

[@NekoNyaska]

@@zedamex Do you mean that I need to remove the part of the button on which the letters are drawn? If so, then I did it, and it did not help. I played on a hard wooden table and I’m sure that the problem is definitely not in the surface.

[@zedamex]

@@NekoNyaska Yeah I meant like at 11:07 - I had slightly sticky buttons once in the controller I got 7 years ago and doing that fixed it for me. Sounds like an electronics problem. Usually 2% of electronics are defective in some way. If it's truly defective, you live in Japan it would be easy to try contact HORI for warranty. But it might be a bit more difficult for you?

[@NekoNyaska]

@@zedamex I live in Russia, and I bought the controller through an intermediary. I am very sad about what I finally got, and I'm sure that my case is not the only one, because I saw videos of other people with the same problems.

[@zedamex]

@@NekoNyaska That really sucks, I wonder if you can work back for warranty claims? Seems really tricky but the controller button shouldn't be doing that.

[@CCHLV._.]

Have you looked into the controller by GAMO2 called the divaller?

[@zedamex]

Yes, working on a video but its LONG and very in depth. Release when its done.

[@CCHLV._.]

@@zedamex I look forward to it, I hope it includes a comparison with the hori controller

[@MinakoBubbles]

I’ve always wanted this controller, but when corona happened my hours got reduced and I was starting to save for the controller when I heard that there was going to be an English release of this game, but never got it since I was still too low. Now, I have enough, but it’s changed to over a thousand, but maybe I’ll just try to make my own despite not having any experience of making an arcade controller before

[@zedamex]

I'm working on more information on this now. Probably I'll release the next video during Obon week

[@mikuchuuu]

Do u know where I can find the controller he is using

[@ShiggitayMediaProductions]

Awesome video Mr Zedamex! I'd love to have one of these controllers, but I'd much rather have an actual arcade "control panel" controller for use with the Arcade Dump running on my PC here. Could you please try your PS4 Hori controller there with PDAFT? Also, why did you get two of each Hori controller? Gifts? Are you shipping them out to friends that don't have a Japanese address etc?

[@zedamex]

I can't guarantee that I will but I'm interested in trying that out. I haven't really seriously thought about it as I have all the console versions. I've stuck with the official channel. You are spot on that the other two PS4 controllers were for friends who don't live in Japan.

[@ShiggitayMediaProductions]

@@zedamex Gotcha.. Thanks for the answers :)

[@CloudyObsession]

Great video! I just got mine for PS4, initial test with TV speakers went very well, but suddenly with using the headphone jack on the controller there seemed like a crazy delay, I was worried for a sec, but after a search landeded me here I see that the jack on the controller is just not recommended to use. Shame, it was such a nice addition, but I have a headset with a nice long cable so it's not a huge issue Just a couple questions: what do you usually have your lag offset to when using the dedicated controller for PS4? I can't seem to nail the best setting down (I'm on a monitor as a display, almost no lag there) Second, my button caps don't seem to come off! I've pressed them down and rotated counterclockwise but they don't click to the right and come out like yours. Any idea why that is? Granted, I haven't pushed that hard because I don't want to break it... It's not a huge deal, the buttons all seem to be working just fine, I just noticed my O was a little wobblier than the others and wanted to see if taking it off and popping it back on would help.

[@zedamex]

I rely on the TV having low lag and just keep it at 0 in game. You could try the timing adjust feature where you hit the button to a beat for it to try help you determine any delay. For the buttons, push down and twist counter clockwise to pop them off. Don't force it off course. Although at first it almost feels like your about to break plastic when doing it (it'll be quite a hard click but not like something bent or snapped). But I've done it a couple of dozen times without issue. I guess if you don't feel right, just don't do it.

[@CloudyObsession]

@@zedamex My display has basically no lag, I always keep it at zero with a Dualshock4, but it feels just a little off with the Hori controller on some songs, like I have to hit the button just a tiny bit early to register proper in-game timing. I've tried the built-in calibration but it's terrible, it always gives me wildly different results and every time I've tried to use over the last several years to adjust for a different display (like at a friend's place) with significant lag, it's been no help at all, so I don't really think it helps much in -any- scenario, unfortunately. Part of why I'm asking is because testing with different manual adjustments seems to give pretty different results itself between songs. Playing Slump (Hard) gives me the best results at 0, but playing Teo (Hard) gives me the best results at like, -5. Granted, this is just from the first day of playing after getting it, and mostly using built-in speakers on the display, I still need to try it out with my USB headset plugged directly into the PS4 (it's also possible that Teo itself, being a recent DLC song, is just a little off and needs to be patched). As for the button caps, I'll probably just leave them alone, don't have much reason to pop them off for the moment at least

[@zedamex]

Yeah you need to sample more notes. It should be endless and average it out. A ran their timing tool several times and averaged the results. It gives an indication but not a clear answer. If most songs feel good I'd be more inclined to think my belief of the timing is out or the song needs patching. It wouldn't be the controller. I feel more accurate with the big buttons but yeah. PS4 dualshock (both pre and post 2016) have the same input lag as hori. But actually their headphone jacks add more delay than hori does

[@rachelgabbytapper2620]

I really want this controller :(

[@sandwhale4292]

works great on STEAM

[@codexgameing1151]

May I ask what gloves you useing. Or can give me a link of the same one. I seen people use it in the arcade and I would like to know or use.

[@zedamex]

Late response but they were or sale at a Tokyo Game Show in like, 2015 or something. There are tons of similiar. Miku Smartphone Gloves will likely come up with results.

[@chiesatonaka877]

a quick question, but if we wanted to use PS facebuttons on a switch controller, we’d have to get the PS4 one too so we could swap them out right? or would it be more reasonable to just try printing the facebuttons and mod it that way since they can be removed

[@zedamex]

It's easiest but definitely not the cheapest approach. It's very likely that you can print your own, I put minimal effort in removing one of the plastic disks that have the face buttons in the dome, and it looks like enough pressure from the inside might be enough to be able to prop the disks out. But I don't want to crack/break the domes. Referring to 11:30 mark.

[@chiesatonaka877]

yeah!! i looked at that in the vid, maybe printing them out would be easier, especially if it’s a case where someone has a switch, but no PS4, since the PS4 ver doesn’t connect/register to switch and vice versa. there seems to be other controllers out there like the GAMO2 DIVALLER that apparently works for both?? but its costs can be a real pain in the neck from what ive heard

[@zedamex]

CHIE SATONAKA yea, but I haven’t got my hands on that one to compare. If they sent me one.... Which, I would actually be surprised if they did... I could review it. They are similar priced but cheaper than buying two of Hori’s for sure.

[@AkaiZero]

I'm looking to buy one (Switch ver) on amazon jp but the review is very negative, most of it come from high delay so I'm a bit skeptical...

[@zedamex]

Also see the DIVALLER video. Bit long but I tested delays more thoroughly. Basically I don't think you can improve it with other controllers. The best experience for low delay is the arcade machine.

[@AkaiZero]

​@@zedamex Thanks for your reply, btw have your Hori's warranty worn out yet? Looking forward to the teardown & modding video.

[@boredstudent]

I would have loved to buy that Hori controller but that would mean I'd have to buy a second one since I have both Project DIVA Future Tone and MegaMix. I bought the Divaller which I wish was supported with MegaMix but because it's a third-party peripheral (and an expensive one at that) it only acts a standard controller, whether it be a Dualshock 4 or the Switch Pro Controller, Joycons, whatever the case may be.

[@zedamex]

Thats practically what HORI is, only the slider on the DIVALLER is currently emulated. Did you go DAO or SANWA?

[@mikuchuuu]

Where can I buy the controller?

[@boredstudent]

@@mikuchuuu I went to a site called Gamo2

[@boredstudent]

@@zedamex I got the Sanwa buttons. But I ended up buying different springs

[@mikuchuuu]

@@boredstudent thanks

[@tomokohiroshima6160]

so will this controller work for english games or only japanese games? i read a comment that sorta answered the question, but im literally dumb and dont understand im sorry for the probably stupid question

[@zedamex]

The English version of the PS4 game doesn't have the dedicated controller option to play properly, you'd have to use a "standard" style which is in my opinion weird to play. Switch English (megamix) title has that option.

[@yoshgurt]

Can anyone help me. I have lost 7 controllers, Nintendo doesn't understand what this is, and I am tired of losing perfects. My controller just stops responding and misses notes CONSTANTLY, but only with disconnected controllers. And it only happens on the right side.. with every single controller?!

[@zedamex]

I find it hard to imagine what is going on. Joy-Cons? Pro Controllers? Many people use DS4 controllers with some sort of 3rd party adapter for MegaMix too though so maybe look into that?

[@yoshgurt]

@@zedamex I have a pro controller. But the button pushback makes it really hard for me. Since it's one of those super hollow ones from target. But I promise it's real, just started happening with my latest set of controllers too. And once again, only happens on the right controller. ( Only happens with the normal, official, switch controllers )

[@zedamex]

@@yoshgurt To be honest I've avoided playing this with switch joy-cons at all costs, unless I'm trying the motion control style (mix mode). You don't have a lot of interference like microwaves cooking food or something and are relatively close to the console yeah? It's real weird to me but I'd like to know what the cause is.

[@yoshgurt]

@@zedamex Sadly I have mostly stopped playing because of this. But, I have had this glitch happen at two different homes. And three different locations. The stand is just sitting by the TV. Nothing unusual nearby. And if it is in portable. I just leave it on my couch/bed.

[@zedamex]

@@yoshgurt Hmm, very strange. I wonder if looking into the whole getting a PS4 controller working thing would be of any benefit.

[@ekulipse1133]

i wonder if any brave soul (doesn’t care about their warranty or their extremely exclusive collectors item) has torn down or modded these things to see how they work?? the current scene for sliders on custom controllers is pretty grim except for gamo2 😂😂

[@zedamex]

So tempting but I can't bring myself to actually do it >< I'm getting closer and closer to finishing an extremely indepth divaller video though :o

[@stevenbode9163]

We can buy the controller ps4 and use it on the switch ?

[@zedamex]

Not officially, I tried this at 18:44. You can't turn it on without some kind of 3rd party adapter.

[@MarkSKristensen]

Do they work on PC?

[@zedamex]

Yes kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnTOppqQg918rq8

[@thesupergirlplays857]

Wheres the links?

[@zedamex]

If you want one of HORIs controllers, it's unfortately down to hunting 2nd hand, so I can't provide any official order links :/ They had a short order window and then fullfilled all those orders, then did a round two. Both directly from HORIs website. Some offered to resell but yeah. For a similiar controller you can order direct, divaller is a good contendor.

[@13eeehmm36]

Does anyone know if works on the non dx version of future tone?

[@zedamex]

They are the same game so yeah. I don't have DX, I bought the original and all DLC as they came out (which effectively means DX). They both ultimately have the same current patch too.

[@13eeehmm36]

@@zedamex Good to know. now I won't have to double dip when my controller arrives.

[@randallgoeswhere]

This thing is over $1000. No way its worth that considering how cheaply made it is.

[@zedamex]

Resellers that shouldn't exist sniping the controller then overcharging to those that missed or couldn't place an order during the preorder window. The real retail was like ¥34980 plus tax. So around $400. But shipping it overseas by ems is like ¥13000 too

[@MikuFan01]

No its not even half way close to worth over $1000. The original, in USD, was $349.99 + shipping fee. Given the parts and mechanical switches and buttons $349.99 is reasonable price. Just scalpers that buy out stock of them and triple the price, knowing its not closely worth that much. Those people make me sick

[@randallgoeswhere]

@@MikuFan01 Yeah thats more reasonable. What gets me is these are only compatable with the current gen system. We're about to go into PS5 next year and Im sure sega is working on a miku game for that so this will be out dated. I think Id much rather just get good using a controller at this point.

[@dndryan]

a boy // xbox

[@importaku]

The leds are rubbish in the stock controller the blue hue ruins the button colours, i modded mine by buying some lighting gels in the 4 colours and cutting a circle out of each and placing it under the button over the led it corrects the colours and removes the washed out blue tinge. Has zero effect on the buttons operation & easily removed if needed, this is how they turned out imgur.com/mnUHsLk

[@zedamex]

I see that working well! Agree and wonder how they let that pass their design compared to their better lit buttons in their PS3 controllers.

[@importaku]

@@zedamex For the price it cost it's pretty shocking that they chose those leds. Then again for the price it cost they should have included 4 extra button caps with the symbols from the other controller so you could choose which to use.

[@Jimslegacy]

@@importaku Hi I was wondering do you have Instagram or someway to send me a picture on how you did it I was only bought me one and want to do that. Thank you