Revisiting the Date of Rigveda | Prof. Gaya Charan Tripathi | Sangam Talks

[@suvrt]

The lecture required to be dubbed in hindi and local indian languages so that general public may understand and get enlightened from the research. However 👌 for efforts

[@driftking476]

True

[@ska4666]

I'll be happy to dub it, or add hindi subtitles, but ...i wonder if this channel has enabled community contributions in their YT settings.

[@HypnoDrip]

Yes but dubbing it in 24 language would be quite a task

[@Rkpf98]

Yes most of the explanation comes in English ,but it is really crucial that this information reaches every corner of the world

[@saffrondominic4585]

@@HypnoDrip Just translate it to ONE language that's the Sanskrit is enough. I strongly believe the rest of the 96.7% of the population won't be interested.

[@premlatamahale3256]

Indians should be told about our culture and literature again and again for the coming generation to feel good about our ancient intelligent scientist rishis, philosophical rishis, and highly educated rishis !!! Proud to be born in this divine land called Bharatvarsh ?

[@vincentconti3633]

One of the most amazing pieces of ancient history for me is the fact that the ancient Indians knew about the procession of the equinox. As with all dating it can only be estimated that this was first recorded approximately five or six thousand years ago. However they had to have had information passed down the years somehow for twenty thousand years before that in order to calculate the procession which is 25,722 years. Twenty thousand years of recorded information! Wicked cool. Of course they were off in their calculations by one percent! Silly ancients!!!

[@sarfrazmh31]

Fair skinned Brahmins made dark skinned Dravidians as low caste and untouchables. So much for you disgusting fable of Bharatvarsh. Brahmins, Sanskrit are outside from West Asia. So stop propaganda that Brahmins are from India originally.

[@premlatamahale3256]

@@sarfrazmh31 you are a convert,so stop your Gyan bazi, concentrate on improving what is out dated in your aasmani kitab !!! Don't talk on subjects you know nothing, the word came searching golden bird not in registaan,but Bharatvarsh!!!

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[@Mithilesh_R]

Rigveda is not the oldest text...Rigveda is found in india in the 1490s AD.....please check the UNESCO website...

[@vincentconti3633]

The most amazing piece of ancient history for me is the fact that the ancient Indians knew about the procession of the equinox. This required the passing of information for twenty five thousand years!!!! Supposedly orally! Wow!!!

[@tumppigo]

Do you have any references online that supports your comment? For me this is one of the biggest mysteries in the world - how did ancient people know about that long time cycle?

[@mum5952]

Precession is known in our astronomy and astrology texts. They developed mathematics for astronomy which was necessary for astrology and navigating the ocean required calculating seasons (lunar calendar) to know the direction of winds for sailing.

[@raghavarvoltore6517]

What? They inferred it, not 2500 years have passed.

[@monkeymayhem1977]

@@mum5952 Jyotisha not astrology.

[@mum5952]

@@monkeymayhem1977 yes that is our name for this science. I do not think there is a western equivalent.

[@utubetruthteller]

We should not bother about what western experts say about dating of veda but we should do our own research and present to the Indians and the world.

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[@gopalkrishnamukerjea4319]

Exceptional paper with great research work and intellect. Best point Shri Tripathi never deviated from the core issue!

[@vyanjanadubey625]

Can we get the hindi version of these videos ? I want to show it to my mother.

[@improvingmylife6197]

@vairagya sangeet can't we some people start working on a project to translate all these video?

[@ska4666]

Or u can just translate it in real-time for her, ....your English is good enough... so run that marvelous head engine.

[@niteshxthakur]

Lol that's me

[@himanshukhichar4185]

Nobody speaking native languages is interested in stuff like this. You can translate as mych as you want but it won't receive the viewership that it does in English. That's becauae speaking only native language restricts your knowledge and your sphere of awareness. The native audience is not even interested in topics like these. You may find what I said offensive but it's the truth. Compare the level of books that are sold in English and Hindi.

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Sorry, it is not yet available, but the english subtitles can be auto translated to Hindi, which is not a full proof process, but can be somewhat helpful. Thanks for your feedback and Thanks for Watching.

[@mikedesi5513]

Excellent talk Vedic aryans lived along saraswati river ate fish did yagnas and composed vedas these were same people from Indus Valley people who later migrated after saraswati died up 5000 bce for migraines and 3000 bce for Veda composition sounds perfect

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[@rravisankar3355]

​@@SangamTalksWas there an Aryan race as postulated by certain scholars especially from the proselytising genre? Veda mentioned Arya as a common term for someone learnt or noble amongst the common people than any distinctive group.

[@BalaMani-72]

Important Research Findings : Scientific Dating of RigVeda should be 7000BC.. How? Agastya is the author of 25 hymns (nos 1.165 to 1.191) of the first 'mandala' of the 'Rigveda'.. Agastya lived during First Sangam age (7000BC to 3000 BC) before theRamayana and Mahabaratha Period.. How can he live for more than 4000 years ? What is the science of Immortaligy art ,one among the 64 branches of Art? Did he mastered it and taught other siddhars to live a long life ? (Thirumoolar, Bohar and few other siddhars have lived for more than 1000 years) Being a Tamil Scholar, how did he created and spread Devabhasha or Sanskrit( intensified sound language using manthram, thantram and yanthram) ? What was the need for it? Why did he moved to Vindya mountains from Kumarikandam and Srilanka to India towards the Himalyas? Was the Great flood behind it? Why did the Korean language (which formed during the Jogon period) and Tamil language have same kind of root words? Did mgration happened during Great floods (9000BC) all over the world ? All the question one can find logical answer in this page - HISTORICIY oF AGASTHIYAR facebook page - facebook.com/AgathiyarSage

[@ashutoshdubey2037]

Agastya is among seven sage ....so he have more life span.... Ram(5114bc) Krishna(3228-3102bc) Seven sage are disciple of shiva(adiyogi)13000bc.... Yes there is migration during great flood.some people come and in Gangetic plane ,some cross Tibet,some china....even esvaku 2nd of ram family is from southern part of the India. Ram is 64 generation from begin......I appreciate your job....

[@theeternal2]

Date of vedas is 11500 BCE to 10500 BCE. REFER TO BOOK of VEDVEER ARYA

[@karthikdon5]

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[@astesiaa]

I can prove rig veda easily to 4000-5000 BCE.. And hence even vedic Sanskrit would be proved 5000BCE old.. Because Lord Krishna left the world in 3341 BCE, And he mentioned vedas in Bhagwad Geeta.. In Bhagavad Gita, “All Vedas” mentioned in sloka 7, 08. Samaveda is mentioned in sloka 10, part 22. Bhagavad Gita was delivered to Arjuna around 3139 BCE.. So Rig Veda is older than 3139 BCE. In Valmiki Ramayana, when Hanuman meets Lord Rama for the first time, Rama tells Laxmana that Sugriv’s Ambassador (i.e. Hanuman) must be well versed in Rig Veda, Yajur Veda and Sam Veda. Shrimad Valmiki Ramayan - Sanskrit Text with Hindi Translation- DP Sharma 10 volumes : Dwaraka Prasad Sharma : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Vol.5, Kishkinda Kanda, web page no.70, (3, part 28) Three Vedas mentioned. According to following study Rama’s period as per astronomy and genealogy is 5114 BCE.. Therefore Rig Veda is older than 5114 BCE. This is consistent with the fact that the following authors of the Rig Veda lived during or before the Ramayana period: Vishwamitra, Vashishta, Gautam Muni, Agastya, Dadhichi, Angirus etc.

[@astesiaa]

I am not able to send the links of what I studied and researched here.... KZbin immediately deletes it, so if you guys have disc then I can explain you even more clearly..

[@vasu2773]

That's a great and real wisdom. Thank you sir🙏

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[@shahnaishadh1]

Mahabharata war was in 5561 BC. Need to check and correct your dating. Nilesh Oak has given many evidences. You should counter it if you feel he is wrong. In Gita, Vedas are mentioned multiple times. So, it pre-exited in 5561BC.

[@shahnaishadh1]

@@Ak_thereader Even I didn't claim it is part of Mahabharata. It is part of Bhagwat Puran.

[@thrinethran2885]

@@shahnaishadh1 Which version of Bhagavata Purana has Bhagavad Gita?

[@shahnaishadh1]

@@thrinethran2885 all versions. It was part of it since ever.

[@shahnaishadh1]

@Chaudhry Vikrant ror Nilesh Oak has given numerous evidences based on astronomical events mentioned in our Itihasa. You should prove them wrong before making such claim.

[@thrinethran2885]

@@shahnaishadh1 Really? Have you read Bhagavata Purana at all?

[@chandranavinjikat7394]

Very learned and eminent speaker. Love to hear more from Prof. Tripathi.

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[@Wilnina]

We need more of such scholars and not half baked info of Nilesh Oak and Rupa Bhaty. Sangam please bring these kind of true scholars.

[@ManoharSingh-te9uk]

What, I believe is to launch a channel of the same in HINDI. This is one of the most important channels and the lecturers are one of the most prominent peoples, but the reach of this channel is very limited because it is in ENGLISH. My request is translate all conversations in Hindi.

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Devendra Kumar where is this channel please? Any hyperlink?

[@chaitrajipmer]

@@ivarhakuse8572 check sangam talks channel

[@mudrarakshasa]

why just hindi? what about speakers of South n East Indian languages?why just hindi?

[@parasnathyadav3869]

JAI shree krishna ,

[@himanshukhichar4185]

Nobody speaking native languages is interested in stuff like this. You can translate as much as you want but it won't receive the viewership that it does in English. That's becauae speaking only native language restricts your knowledge and your sphere of awareness. The native audience is not even interested in topics like these. You may find what I said offensive but it's the truth. Compare the level of books that are sold in English and Hindi.

[@prempankajpanjiyara495]

यह प्रोग्राम हमारी राष्ट्रभाषा हिंदी में हो तो बहुत अच्छा लगेगा और ज्यादा से ज्यादा लोगों के बीच पहुंचेगा

[@ragas93]

Here is the channel in hindi - kzbin.info/door/zN6wPVLWoP3qBO0Qa9PCdw

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[@GururajBN]

Prof. Gyan Charan Tripathi’s talk is one of best lectures I have heard on Vedic chronology. He is so sure of what he wants to say, clear headed, unhurried, without ostentation. He is so familiar with history and culture of Middle East and Europe, which is not common amongst Indian scholars. He relates all these topics with such ease. As a student of classical Sanskrit, I always felt that the language of Rig Veda is far too archaic and is almost unintelligible. On the other hand the language of Upanishads like Brihadaranyaka or Chandogya are more or less intelligible. Language of Katha Upanishad or Mundaka is almost like classical Sanskrit. Such evolution in language takes very long time. It cannot be squeezed into time frame between 1200-800BCE. In an age when travel and communications are fast, languages change rapidly. It can’t change so quickly in an age there was no communication technology and travel was slow. Therefore I think the chronology of 3000 BCE or early expounded by Prof Tripathi is more acceptable than speculative date of 1200 BCE introduced by Max Müller.

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[@ravigujju1780]

The matter of data of the universe from the beginning to till now transforming infinitely

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[@jsvas119]

Minimum 10000 Bc, before Ramayanam period vedic culture flourished because Mahabharata was fixed as 3012 BC; Yuga in some texts is 5000years. So theory of aryan is discarded by CCMB.

[@punyashloka4946]

No veda is 3500 year bc not 10000 you people make idiotic claim with no evidence whatsoever. The harrapan site , saraswati indus civilization is vedic civilization the new archeological evidence shows that very clearly but it does not go 10000 years bc. You hindus need to get over this obsession of we are 10000 years old or 50000 years old look at the evidence and be realistic or provide evidence for your claim.

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[@amlaansatapathy3675]

Vedas are always eternal but Veda Vyasa wrote it for us jivas of ( Kali Yuga ) in around 5500 years ago. Today we have only 6 to 7 % of the entire vedic canon beacuse all these were destroyed by invader.

[@completelyrandomcontent3184]

Where and how did you reach that 6-7 percent number lol

[@adityaagarwal9484]

according to the study, only 1% of the literature and knowledge is documented, and rest is all lost. example: Vedas had over 100,000 mantras in it but today only around 23000 are there. read the book Roots by Kadambi srinivasan.

[@punyashloka4946]

@@adityaagarwal9484 well if it is lost how do you know it has 1 00000 verses? By the way veda is a man made book it is about trial conflict.

[@himanshukhichar4185]

Who is the author of Vedas? God or Vyasa? If they are written by humans then thry can't be eternal.

[@media-rn6zc]

​@@himanshukhichar4185 Since you don't read vernacular literature your completely illiterate on the subject even to ask such type of question needs some study. Blabbering whatever comes to your mind won't get you anywhere

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JAI shree krishna 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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[@saheeljaleel1632]

this should be spoken in a common platform so that pros and cons can be highlighted to every one hearing.his written speach does not carry any weight to those seeking for the truth.this speach is a single track event not fitting to modern era.why not have an open speach giving other scholars a chance to affirm or negate .

[@su-mu]

Yes. I like a debate format.

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[@arunade1168]

Pls see Shri Nilesh Oak's Lecture on Antiquity of the Indian Civilization & other. All can comprehend the Antiquity better by Him. Mahabharat - 5561 BCE, Ramayan - 12209BCE, Rigveda - More than 20k+ years. 💐🌹🙏🌹💐

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Yeah, fully agree with Nilesh Oak's dates for Mahabharata & Ramayana. Those who want to refute it must come with evidence against it.

[@themaskedman5954]

Archaeology debunks his claims

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[@drmpsinha6461]

Thank you very much Professor Tripathi for your lecture on the age of the Vedas . It would have been better if you compared the languages of the Rigveda and Zend Avesta. They are very much the same as the Arya and Iranian people bifurcated about 1700 BCE( Before Common Era) .

[@bprmel]

Insightful 😊 Thanks for all the efforts 🙏

[@MukeshSharma-jg1rs]

Prof. you are referring to dating the writing of ऋग्वेद: (Rgved). Are you factoring in that ऋग्वेद: (Rgved) was verbally inherited by successive generations for a very long time.

[@ivarhakuse8572]

I’d assume that as professor doing research on Veda, He would be aware of Hindu oral traditions.

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

Even if it is passed on orally, the phonetic comparison is perfectly valid. Infact it's more accurate because phonetic intricacies are often lost in translation/transliteration but are almost always preserved perfectly in oral recital.

[@k.bhatta4257]

@@arkadeepkundu4729 Oral Guru-Shishya transmission was/is regarded as more authentic, especially together with Chandas (and often with encryption), not because they had no lipi. Only Abrahamics make the book and people of the book as be-all and end-all, and so everything before the European Dark Age was not worth considering as it was all jahillia.

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Priviliged to hear Gaya Chandra Tripathi ji

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Thank you, for posting this interesting presentation. Very informative.

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[@vincentconti3633]

This stuff is so cool. How did those people live? Were they like us more or less or would it have been totally bizarre?? I believe a little bit of both. Gracias!!!

[@hrivaansahani1750]

You mean the Ancient Indians ?

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They lived in cities, with all the necessary facilities of sanitation that human beings might require. Please look for Mehrgarh excavations. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehrgarh. It is one of the many cities which were present in Ancient India. Thanks for watching.

[@arunade1168]

But, Why the question of Migration/Invasion arises again & again? In whole Bharatiya Sanskrit Literature, they is no mention of any Aryan Race, No mention of Migration in India but outside the India could be Possible.

[@abhi565b]

Ofcourse pakhta(pakhtoon), parsu(parsis) all are rig vedic tribes. They moved out of India and settled in modern day Afghanistan and Persia (Iran). Arya was never a race but a character. Even lord Buddha gave ashtanga Arya Satya which means 8 noble truths. And now some Bheem members are misrepresenting Arya word as some one from outside

[@amanmittal9595]

It is used by breaking india forces and they had invested a huge sum of money for many decades to push this narratives so as to create divide among north and south and make us feel inferior compared to west.It is done wholely by west,Christian missionaries,urban naxals,communists,left liberals etc etc....and their mafia is very strong as their roots are very strong for decades thats why continuous talks on this bullshit theory......Despite this theory is rejected but they are not ready to agree even with facts....So we have to destroy them to create unity amongst indians

[@kauffner]

The Proto-Indo-Europeans lived north of the Black Sea. Sanskrit is an Indo-European language. There are various passages in the Rigveda concerning a war between the Arya and the Dasyus. For example: "You, Agni, drove the Dasyus from their abode creating a bright light for the Arya." (VII, 5, 3) The "dark peoples" are said to have fled before the Arya, leading to the idea of a primeval race war.

[@vammukittu]

@@kauffner show the sanskrit verse not your English perversion of the verse. West has been only successful in misunderstanding and willfully misinterpreting and misrepresenting Hindus and India. FoH

[@kauffner]

This is from _The_ _Coming_ _of_ _the_ _Ayrans_ _to_ _Iran_ _and_ _India_ (2015) by Asko Parpola. Parpola is a professor at the University of Helsinki. This URL has the verse citations: www.sabhlokcity.com/2020/03/rig-veda-provides-significant-evidence-of-the-aryan-invasion/

[@chakradharreddy.chandupatl5960]

I think date of premiering the video is by mistake set as September

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[@srikanth26mar]

Indology scholars trying to destroy AIT must first come to consensus on the dates before repudiating claims by Romila Thapar and co. People like Nilesh Oak have arrived at very different dates citing astronomical, oceanographic sources.

[@ranapratapsingh3416]

Nilesh Oak's conclusions are far more deep since he is looking at the astronomical events in Mahabharata and Ramayana very very carefully .

[@saianilkumar8210]

i agree but coming up with dates is not an easy task cuz there r lot of things involved to consider. But one thing is certain that there is no AIT. our epics happened well before the so called AIT. but unfortunately ppl will be convinced AIT is real, based on one random date 1500-1200bBCE set by thapar&co. as per their suitable agenda. Their influence is too much on this society.

[@shivamtiwari5484]

AIT will be destroy if it has some scientific base man it don't have any base

[@that_dam_baka]

Can I get a source?

[@gauravvvv]

@@that_dam_baka Nilesh Oak, Raj Vedam have done extensive studies on it. They bring up so many things. The links I have enclosed are worth watching. But yes recent studies and excavations have helped negate AIT and question AM(igration)T. 4000 yr old Chariot in Sinauli(which puts us at par with ancient civilizations of Mesopotamia, Egypt etc), 3.8k to 4k yr old copper weapons in Mainpuri UP, studies showing drying up of Saraswati(which is celebrated as a thriving and thundering river in Rigveda also implicitly implying Vedas were written much earlier when Saraswati was alive and bountyful) around 2000 bce - 1800 bce that brought downfall of Indus civilization and not any invasion or migration, how RigVeda talk of 34 ribbed horses and not 36 ribbed horses on which rode the so called Aryan migrators or outsiders coming from central Asia, or how Vedas talk of elephants which are not even found in Central Asia and Europe at that time etc Nilesh Oak - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZPHeH58oLh9itk Raj Vedam - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5PWqpxqr757hpI , kzbin.info/www/bejne/iHjcm6mvjap-msUm48s

[@sharatbhatmaskeri5804]

Vedas available today are compiled by Maharsi Vedavyasa as mention by our own text. Vedas are not literature written by some A B C. Theses are eternal truth visualised at Rutambara Prajna. Even in 20th century new veda visualised by Maharshi Daivarata for which bhashya written by Vasista Ganapati Muni and published as Chandodarshana by Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan. So how can you decide date of vedas?

[@kunjalmishra3688]

Not like that.It is Western and left mentality historians who have changed the sanatan hindu vedic and pauranik literatures altogether different.

[@vikaschoudhary4323]

It's something new information you have given. I never heard of. Can you tell me more about it.

[@sharatbhatmaskeri5804]

@@vikaschoudhary4323 Please search Chandodarshana and Daivarata in Google

[@vikaschoudhary4323]

I searched and downloaded. But never heard of it by any scholar and no commentary. Are these mantra are included as part of rigveda..or will be as shakha.

[@sharatbhatmaskeri5804]

@@vikaschoudhary4323 Yes these are new mantras. Nowadays rituals almost extinct. We can only study mantra and artha.

[@krishnamohan1065]

We should examine the ĝeògraphy of the hymns keeping ìn mind ñepal Tibet orissa and bengal

[@upadhyayrathiraj1518]

Try to find the approximate time when Sarasvati River vanished/dried, we then can reach closer to the period of Rig Veda.

[@astesiaa]

Maybe around 3200 BCE

[@su-mu]

That's the best way by far!

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Most research suggest that river completely vanished between 1750 to 1900 BCE, but downfall could also be a long perpetual process over 1000's of years. Thanks for Watching.

[@vinayakjois]

Veda existed much before Buddhism and Jainism, we can date Goutam Budda, Bagavan Mahaveer timings some around 6th century BCE. So it must be much before of that.

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adbhutam

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[@AndalusianPhilosopher]

I totally agree that Rig Veda is much earlier text. I suspect Mergarth (hope I spelled it right) culture is rig vedic culture.

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Wonderful

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Very informative

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[@shahnaishadh1]

Date of submersion of dwarka is incorrect. Refer Nilesh Oak's work.

[@vishwajeetagrawal5923]

No it is correct. There are two submersion activities, one in 5500 BC and another more prominent in 1500 BC. Oak won't tell you about the latter. He is a dishonest crap.

[@shahnaishadh1]

@@vishwajeetagrawal5923 if you are claiming him to be dishonest, counter all his claims. The dating is based on precision astronomical events mentioned in Mahabharata, Bhagwat and Harvansham and not just on submersion of Dwarka.

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HarHarMahadev

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[@12prashantsharma]

This is not shown in the Indian news. whyyyyy

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[@Healing556]

Knowledge existed but the date of penning down should be proved to show how old the book had existed. U are just finding ways to twist & turn to fit ur likings. Thats like behaving like the snake in the garden, there is a motive behind it.

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[@cyb-m]

the original prakrit is ancient sangam tamil and its regional dialects. ancient iranian migrants into india mixed with native population to create the later prakrits and from there sanskrit.

[@Vedicgargi]

Which original prakrit??? The word SANGAM itself has its roots from sanskrit. 😂😂😂

[@cyb-m]

@@Vedicgargi you have no idea then about sanskrit etymology. go read some books and may be study Tamil and Vedic sanskrit and their phonology and etymology. AND then come to your conclusion.

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[@jalk1959]

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[@jkj8803]

Rigveda was on oral route for 400 centuries and then written down in 5000BC.

[@nirvanabliss73]

No, it was for 10000000000000 centuries

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[@krishnamohan1065]

The early hymns çòuld have been composed in an proto ðravidion language near east or north of ayodha

[@Betelgeusewaitforit]

Those who understand hindi what this gentleman is trying to explain is the difference between two words "samajh" and "bodh".. there is no word in English which can be designated as an analogue to "Bodh".. if you find a word let me know.

[@deepvbhatt5427]

He is simply reading He has no eye contact with audience It makes it dul and sleepy

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please provide subtitles . thank you

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Read (secrets of sanatan dharma) available on Amazon and kindle

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Can we get a pdf version pl.?

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Bring the hindi version. It will be grateful.

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Kindly encourage scholars to give presentations in native languages and not always in English. Thank you.

[@sudharamakrishnan5766]

There are so many native languages in India. How will people understand if the scholars speak in their languages. Besides most of the scholars have done their PhD with English as their medium of instruction

[@themaskedman5954]

That won't work

[@himanshukhichar4185]

Nobody speaking native languages is interested in stuff like this. You can translate as mych as you want but it won't receive the viewership that it does in English. That's becauae speaking only native language restricts your knowledge and your sphere of awareness. The native audience is not even interested in topics like these. You may find what I said offensive but it's the truth. Compare the level of books that are sold in English and Hindi.

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Please upload a Hindi version too

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[@alecmisra4964]

This is I think the correct view as it accounts for all the anomalies relating to vedic influence in the middle east and possibly also greece and asia minor. These were not Aryan invasions into but rather out of India. Critically the new hypothesis suggests that the origins of the Indus civilisation and presumably coterminous vedic culture coincides with the break up of the Kurgan culture in the Pontic Caspian region (which also led to the establishment of the corded ware culture of Western Europe). Witzel has argued for a large scale influx of peoples into India, presumably kurgan steppe peoples, as early as 4000bce. These would then be the likely progenitors of the indo Aryan civilisation of India. The advantage of this solution, which I wrote about six or seven years ago in a series of blog articles, is that it would also account for the genetic evidence which, (particularly since the recent work by David Reich was published), pretty strongly argues for significant steppe ancestry in Vedic peoples, particularly the higher castes. There is only one anomaly I can think of that is not accounted for in this model. It is the apparent late expansion of Vedic civilisation across the sub continent, first in to the deccan plateau and then south and east as alluded to in the Ramayana and that seems to have continued into the Mauryan or historical era. This expansion may however have its origins in the same impulse that sent vedic peoples into europe, iran and the middle east and so may have had a common environmental causation. Ergo no anomaly here either. This particular hypothesis is therefore superior because it allows us to navigate between the rival "Aryan invasion" versus indigenous arguments without doing violence to the core evidence of either model. I dont see any rational grounds for not adopting it as the new most likely standard model.

[@raghavarvoltore6517]

Whats the name of your blog?

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@ Yes he is wrong

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@ Yes yes thats correct, the upper caste have more ancestry from east Asians and middle easterners.

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@ No

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@@raghavarvoltore6517 hi yes, I did not give the link because it is old and my views have refined quite a bit. The link to the most relevant part (part 2) is eveninglands.wordpress.com/2013/10/08/dating-the-aryan-invasion/ Er, the two subsequent blog posts to the above link complete my trilogy of work on this subject. Like I said my views have changed a little since then and may be I could have written a little better too.

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[@krishnamohan1065]

Gujarat naturally falls in line because some hymns are attributed to the bhargavas who ẁere priests to the dravidian kings of Gujarat

[@kunjalmishra3688]

But they should not translate according to their own thoughts and understanding.all such translations must mach the correct meanings. Normally people are adding their own ideas.

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[@ganeshandurkar5912]

Sir, for Indic time line , where are supportive evidences? Have discussion with Shri Nilesh Oak, Indic researcher in coordination with shrimati Rupa Bhatiji gave his time line with pratyaksh praman or evidences for correction in your time line. Let us arrive at agrreed time line.

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[@maxharbig1167]

The professor says that time, with s ecific dates is, and also was, totally unimportant to the writers who were talking about matters eternal not daily. Someone said, relative also to the holy books of other cultures and religions: "You have to remember that hagiography is not historiography." When you confront and engage infiinity human time has very little relevance.

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[@lurking0death]

Does it really much matter how old the Vedas are?

[@shubhampandi9561]

Are you considering the fact that vedas were passed down orally and it was compiled many years later

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[@su-mu]

I came across this video a few months ago. When he started reading, I stopped. True4ure, boring; But It's his thesis: he says so in the beginning. He could have made it more lively with charts/maps/slides, etc. but he simply chose to read it. Nevertheless, watched it rather listened to it today in it's entirety because I am doing a research; Had to.

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[@lexiwolf335]

Before Vedas were written for several thousand years they were transmitted by Guru Sishya Parampara See Capt Ajit VadakayiL Blogs

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[@YOGIFILMS108]

Rig Veda is 16,000 years older at least.

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Proof pleases ?

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[@driftking476]

Please highlight Lalit Ji's comment

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We are also from PANonian see

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[@sridharahullumane4558]

It's not just topic that interest and holds the listener.....disappointed 😔

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[@mayurrathan]

why are we debating if Rug ved is more than 3000 yrs, when we should be debating if its older than 30000 years?

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[@vespasian266]

I think people should imagine waves of migrants and the odd invasion. the indo european language would arrive in like manner, the earliest migrants bringing thier version later migrants another version. The version that came from the corded ware culture was the one spread fastest and widest. For indians who don't like facts, the people who lived in britain lets not forget were wiped out by the same people who settled india. I don't like that but facts are facts.

[@girishchandra6806]

Many words are similar to Pali and prakrit.

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[@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg]

San gam talks is a highly biassed hinduthwa channel . Bala gangadhara Thilak has , after deep study of vedas and avesthan , has written a book by name " arctic home in the vedas " in which he clearly says that the vedic aryans home was the arctic region before the ice age . I think he is more reliable than these opportunistic mis interpreters !

[@petarpan455]

Serbai started 11500 years ago Lepenski Vir 9500BC we havw first letters from Vinca culture 5500BC 22 same letter then we use now in Serbia sam haplotype R1a and I2a autohtonist inda have 100 000 000 R1a haplotype Siki Shingi familija Arians svastika spis from Serbia Vinca culture 5500BC for us is 7531 years now Cao

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[@shubhamaditya7481]

Is it true that there is no mention of himalayas in rig veda??

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[@malliksharma]

Knowledge cannot be created; it just exists! In which age this person is living?

[@raghavarvoltore6517]

the modern age.

[@sauravmalik9025]

You think, in which age u are living?

[@su-mu]

Exactly, he just entered into a weird world!

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[@ravik.v9869]

Ayas kanta= magnet which attracts Iron (Ayas)

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[@greaterbharat4175]

In rigveda ayas in bronze or copper not iron , syam ayas is iron ( mentioned in atharveda) Aes in Latin is bronze Ayas tho least used Loh is famously used for iron in sankrit ( Iron age Smith like lohar or early indo aryan iron sword warriors like lohana )

[@su-mu]

So, is it his conclusion that Vedic knowledge existed (not written) before 3000 BC?

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[@krishnamohan1065]

For your information the vedas are not ĺìteratuŕe theÿ are collection òf chants they were composed by various ryshes over many centuries at various places

[@sachin737]

The speaker is stuck to colonial missionary concocted chronological distortion since days of Williams Jones 1793

[@su-mu]

He starts with disputing Max Muller's date

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[@ashokverma7501]

From what i have read till now, none of the dates can be correct. The submerged Dwarika remnants have been studied extensively by international researchers too, and they could not date the exact date. They said it is 30,000 years old or even more. Which Dwarika? Did it exist before Lord Krishna rebuilt it? Or is it the same that He built? And Lord Ram is even older, when Vedas existed. May be Atharvaveda is from later period.

[@harishrathee5863]

7:11 ohhkrinay? What? It should be Ukraine.

[@akhilaravind3741]

My advice is that never consider any foreigners study about our epics and Upanishads....Cant we Indians ourselves do detailed research and identify maximum as possible and reveal the facts to entire world....?? Many historians just following what foreigners follow....according to me it is stupidity...I agree mostly the facts put forward by Nilesh Oak as he has more angles of references than anyone so far...

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[@gionatamarangoni7409]

please subtitles :-)

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[@raikva6971]

It seems like 3500-3000 BCE is emerging as a significant period for the emergence of vedic literature. As some astronomical studies of the Mahabharata are finding that period to be the period of composition of the text (mmpandit.wordpress.com/dating-of-the-mahabharata/). It is possible that with the tectonic changes and meteor strikes that submerged Dwarka a lot of evidence of the richness of the culture of that time has been submerged/lost.

[@thrinethran2885]

I would describe it as lore rather than literature, because the oldest manuscript was dated to only 1040 CE. But that is not of much import, since an unbroken oral method of instruction and learning has transmitted the Vedas from the days of Veda Vyasa and the text is uncorrupted because of the exceptional rigour of instruction.. One can assume that the composition was over long indefinite number of centuries, before King Shantanu requested Rishi Krishna Dwaipayana to compile them.

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@@thrinethran2885 Most people believe that writing was not around during the Indus civilization. However, it is hard to imagine that an ancient civilization with such sophisticated thinking would not have a written script. It is possible that writing was invented during that time, so its knowledge held very sacred and the portability of knowledge regarded as a new divine power (the ability to know things without hearing about them). Probably the compilations talked about in Prof. Tripathi's lecture, were texts written on soft material that could not last for very long. It is very hard to now find out about such beginnings for sure, and to put a date on them, but that course of evolution seems more natural.

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[@theeternal2]

Vedveer Arya have dated vedic Period 11500 BCE to 10500 BCE . vedas were written no later then 10500 BCE . AS nowhere its is mentioned in upnishadas, brhmanans etc.

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[@su-mu]

Reads really slow. Had to listen at 1.25 speed

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[@afflalofarmar6654]

This is a good talk. However it is boring and no one will watch the whole thing. The speaker reads the whole presentation. He doesnt need to sell the date of the rigveda to people that found his video. We already believe. If we really want to make a change in indian history, the marketing needs to be better.

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[@vijayrk7329]

What does he think he is doing reading from a prepared text? Teaching? Still pursisiting with negated aryan dravidian theses? It was a torture

[@Cotton_Eye_Joe.]

Do you need me to call 911 ? Are the thugs forcing you to watch this ?

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[@punyashloka4946]

Nonsense Veda is a man made book read Shrikant talegiri book he has done amazing work. It is very clear veda is a book about tribal conflicts.

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[@petarpan455]

Whay dint ask Serbian autohtonist because thay are Arians Indoeurop people who go to east and bring Rig Vede Sanskript is old Serbian chek similarity

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[@fshs1949]

No God's names in Vedic scriptures. Only Prajapati.

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[@drumstick-marblebag]

Why does this lecturer need to read his own thoughts to speak? I find it so uninteresting when a speaker keeps reading without looking into the eyes of listener.

[@vincentconti3633]

My guess is that he might not be completely fluent in English. Don't be so fastidious!!! It's about the information!!!

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[@alvarovillar3272]

Even if it s called a lecture it should not be fully readen😂 wtf who can bare 40 minutes of this?!? I love the topic but I need him to sometimes look me in the eyes 😂

[@spicybrown75]

Yeah, some visuals would have been nice!

[@alvarovillar3272]

@Shashank Tripathi he can not focus himself... He doesn t even read properly... I saw another video from this channel, most of lecturers are good enough, but this one.... Omg

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@Shashank Tripathi I ll drop his classes first day... I ll rather read it myself!! When u give a talk u must be confortable enough with your topic so u can improvise, go with the flow, have some feedback, etc... As I said before, I love the topic and I watch most of the videos here, I Don t need a PowerPoint presentation either, but one addressing to the public should have some cominicative skills, I Don t doubt about his scholarship, in fact the best part of the 7 minutes I ve seen has been the intro, where he greets everyone in the room and does it looking into the crowd, without reading! If u have the script I ll read it😜 Much love for all of u interested in dharma 📖♥️🙏

[@Cotton_Eye_Joe.]

Alvaro Villar yes, oratory is the measure of knowledge, as opposed to knowledge itself. Kudos !

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[@arundhyani9488]

What is the professor's conclusion? I heard a lot of facts from him. In the end he said that Indo Aryan migration theory is correct and date of Rig Veda was close to 3100 B.C. Am I right?

[@aayushpaliwal3450]

He tells there's no evidence of any migration. Or if it did happen it would have been so long ago that people who wrote Rigveda had no knowledge of it.

[@su-mu]

Yes, in his conclusion, he gives a date of 'before 3000 BC' for existence of knowledge of RigVeda.

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[@abhijitsen2197]

Vedas very old over 15000 years.

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[@hidgik]

Vedas are more than 108,000,0000,000000,0000000,00000000 years. Give or take a couple of months.

[@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg]

Why not add a few more zeroes ?

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[@bhashuvbr]

All r doomed for sure if we cannot make rigveda as saptarishyashringarabharathabhyasim.

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@t s Muthuraman the word is greek n latin, so plz ignore

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