Revolver VS. Auto Average Situation: 3 Rounds 3 Yards 3 Seconds

[@DanTheWolfman]

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[@DanTheWolfman]

Thanks Sam!

[@robertogattoli]

I am a former Carabinieri, completely agree on the different scenarios between police officers and private citizens.

[@danielaramburo7648]

What is a carabinieri?

[@robertogattoli]

@@danielaramburo7648 the Carabinieri is an Italian armed force with Polizia's duties as well as Military Police, and before all “defenders of the Constitution" so the President of Republic safety corps is a special section of Carabinieri called Corazzieri. Founded on July 13, 1814 in the Kingdom of Sardinia. After the unification of Italy it became part of the Italian armed forces of the Kingdom of Italy first and then of the Italian Republic. Force is about 120000 servicemen.

[@jean-louisdelmas5529]

@@robertogattoli b

[@davids5956]

Disturbing how easy it was to push the semiautos out of battery in a contact shot.

[@GunSam]

Yes, but contact shots are rare.

[@robertlemaster7525]

@@GunSam But at contact range it had better damn work right freaking NOW!

[@hwalter5432]

You can do the same with a revolver. Not something I would advise, but it can be done.

[@cardaveux]

Can't happen with my east german Makarov because it has a fixed barrel.

[@WaterDR-tw8re]

All these new guns that are easy to rack? They are also easy to come out of battery during a contact shot.

[@605783]

The average "mom and pop" will run out of time long before they do ammunition... I could never understand why in the U.S. so much emphasis is placed on reloading and not so much on point shooting 3 second drills from concealment...

[@gasolinedreams2691]

Wheel guns are awesome.

[@LionquestFitness]

Ed Lovette's book The Snubby Revolver gives several accounts of semi-autos going out of battery in a struggle or getting entangled in clothing.

[@skowmi5681]

Your reasoning is excellent! Our country needs more people like you!

[@donnyarmstrong9559]

Thank You for being the voice of sensibility. This is why we keep coming back for your videos time & time again!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@refan6]

Did not see the shirt getting caught in the slide coming. Interesting

[@TheTriumphbsa]

Great video as always! I appreciate the fact you don’t edit out misses or fumbles, etc just to make yourself look better. How you handle getting the gun past that heavy coat was an instructive piece of info. Bringing the gun to bear is a gunfight half won. That weird sight tangle would limit you to just one shot with an auto; as opposed to a full cylinder of revolver. Thats even if you could get past the out of battery effect and fire the gun. First I’ve ever heard of that; much less seen it happen. For those who shun revolvers and only carry semi-auto, a hideaway .38 Rosco may still be the better back up weapon in a standing grapple or ground dust up.

[@krrrruptidsoless]

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[@timbo749]

Same thing happens with Blood, viscous fat and brain matter.

[@markshippoli8918]

Sam, this in my opinion is one of the best vids u've done! Very interesting and informative. Loved the out of battery tests. This was a hoot to watch!

[@GunSam]

Awesome, thank you!

[@williambeasley2582]

This is where muscle memory takes over. Great video I truly enjoyed this and would highly recommend this for a training tool for everyone that is armed. Have a great day and a better tomorrow.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. You too.

[@alanderson9711]

Actually muscle memory doesn’t exist. Your muscles only know on/off. Its the repetitive motions that you’ve programmed into your brain. Happy New Year, William

[@cullenbigd]

Thanks for going over some very real situations that I had not thought about regarding contact shots. Good video!

[@GunSam]

thanks for watching

[@YellowHammer26]

Billy and willie didn't stand a chance. Enjoyed the video.....Thanks.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching!

[@timbo749]

Poor Willie,lol

[@jtns2845]

excellent video. i am a committed revolver guy, little to go wrong mechanically. i am happiest at 3-3-3 drills with a humble ruger lcr 22lr, penetrating 3” of bound paper periodicals. given my habits and locales it works for me.

[@GunSam]

Thank you

[@miken.4198]

Gun Sam, thanks for the hard work on all your videos. I enjoy getting the revolver information and you make the presentations interesting and entertaining.

[@GunSam]

Thanks for watching.

[@markaluia2943]

Excellent video. Common sense approach without all the drama and fluff. I have been in a deadly force encounter and I agree with your analysis. Big difference between reality and Hollywood.

[@Fivemileshot]

When I was young a Marine told me about this but it was a rule of five. He worked with a bomb detection dog and he said he very rarely use his rifle because of how fast things evolved. But it is all the same rule. He also said the best place to hit was the groin because it is never armoured, easy to hit and many vital blood lines are located there so you always win one way or another.

[@pecosjane]

“maybe I threw his brother off a skyscraper...”. Great reference, dude. 😂

[@GunSam]

Thanks! And what brought down the helicopter at the end? lol

[@charlesmiller6826]

Ahh, yes. Is it realy Christmas if Hans hasn't fallen off Nakatomi Towers. Merry Christmas ya filthy animals!

[@bigjj974]

Fun and interesting videos. The shirt in the autos slide was eye opening.

[@GunSam]

Thank you

[@garylewis3641]

Good video, I really enjoyed the contact part. It makes you think when carrying an auto pistol not to stick it too close!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@robertlemaster7525]

That's all great when you can dictate all facets of a given defense situation. But let's be real, we can't dictate everything in every scenario. The contact distance issue of semi automatic's might also be a good reason to carry a small fixed blade like a TDI Law Enforcement knife, in order to make the perp create distance from you instead of suffering from cuts and stabs.

[@oldcop18]

Very realistic test based on my street experiences w/my issued thirty-eight. My EDC continues to be a 340PD loaded w/+P but I do carry the LCP as needed. Whenever there’s a news report of a law enforcement shooting every basement keyboard commando becomes an expert. Thanks again for your work Sam.

[@GunSam]

Thank you and thanks for your input and experience.

[@danoneill2846]

Point shooting like that should be practiced every time you go out if possible even just a few rounds

[@GunSam]

Its always been my goal, hence why red dot sights or even simple sight upgrades I never do. My ultimate goal is muscle memory shooting.

[@bullfrogjay4383]

I agree 100 % I believe short range point shooting is extremely effective especially when getting the first shot on target is critical.

[@CandidZulu]

I think self defense situations with pistols should be treated like dangerous game situations, 'aim small miss small'. Handguns are so under powered they need to actually hit a vital organ to do any good. And if you miss and hurt bystanders you are in big trouble if you did not use sights.

[@danoneill2846]

@@CandidZulu #1 that is why you practice , I did a few days ago with a 9mm rifle from 25 ft All my rounds were fist size right at & under the 1" bull . #2 That is how you shoot fast . #3 Some Pro's say when you are scared $#!TLESS , you get tunnel vision , don't use the sights & point shoot . #4 if that is how you MIGHT shoot in the worse case , it's a good idea to be good at it . #5 a short bit on how you do it , normal aim at spot 20 ft away , lift your head from rifle OR lower handgun a little , try to not change point of aim & look at the target over the gun . You can still see the gun , you can still line up the sights , most important is keep front sight on center line , don't worry about up & down , fire as fast as you can ( ONLY ONE SHOT ) see where you hit , adjust , fire again . The point is hit the target on the center line as fast as you can . Now start from low ready , lift gun to the same spot as fast as you can & fire , don't worry how large your group is , do it again , again . Try it all different ways , 1 shot , 2 shots , 3 shots , hip shooting is a little more chancy , try adjust , again , again , same thing , mix it up . You do that , even a few shots every time you go out if you can . Your not a robot , you are 100% right , think about every shot . The time may come when the fact you can shoot fast & accurate without standard aiming , may save your life . If you have time & are cool enough , yes aim with your sights . You would be surprised what you can do with a little practice .

[@danoneill2846]

One pro said , you do everything normal , pull the gun up , put the sights on target , and do it as fast as you possibly can , that is not the same , but it also works . It becomes a natural movement , at high speed you can't see the sights well , speed is your goal , accuracy will come with practice . BTW , I don't think Sam was going for speed , I think he could shoot faster if he tried .

[@dwayneosmun9175]

You’re right my friend. One attacker a wheel gun is perfect. However if there’s 3 attackers and under a stressful situation your average person can and will miss shots heck even 3 gun competition shooters miss shots therefore more rounds is ideal for home and self defense. In the near future I would like to own a .357.. you do great work keep it up bud..

[@clarksargeant8446]

The evidence demonstrates that in almost all cases, once the shooting starts attackers flee, multiple or otherwise. Defenders almost never have to fire more than a few shots regardless of the threat.

[@WheelgunsOnWheels]

Very good scenario tested. Excellent follow up shots with the full house .357 rapid fire!!

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@bryang1725]

This is exactly why i carry a revolver, for getting jumped or mugged you cannot beat the revolver for reliability. The real world is very different from the tacticool you tube scenarios lol. I carry a Hi-Cap auto in my vehicle because that is a different situation. The main thing is to carry what you comfortable with.

[@kg6itc]

This is why the internet was made! Operator AF information!

[@C8Z51Scott]

I agree with basic concepts, but I grew up in Chicago gangville. Having more than one or two people attacking you is not always the case. I like my new 686 plus PC, but I still carry the Glock G27 for capacity. I can’t write a dissertation of my opinion, but I like the semi overall and do understand it’s short comings,

[@joesophmangum2077]

What alot of people don't think about is what happens when the attacker is shooting back. Attackers who get hit with a 9mm tend to trade gun fire. Attackers who get hit with magnums drop. Id rather a armed attacker drops instantly hard and doesn't shoot back before he drops.

[@joesophmangum2077]

Don't believe me go wild pig hunting with a 9mm and watch them run off after getting hit and watch them drop in there tracks after taking a full power round from a 44 mag or even a 357 mag.

[@GunSam]

It's one of those things I think about, but is difficult to address. You can do the best you can, and training can increase your odds of hitting, and you can hope the "bad guy" misses you. So at that point bullets go both ways I think religion matters most. lol

[@danoneill2846]

@@GunSam Like spray & Pray ...

[@markmuch1295]

Chuck Connors could fire 7 rounds in 2 seconds from his lever action Winchester rifle.

[@robertmartin2387]

You don't shoot an attacker until YOU think hes dead,you shoot him until HE thinks hes dead!

[@GunSam]

"Shoot to stop the threat". Using words like dead, isn't the best language in the aftermath.

[@jbp6759]

Not done with the video (almost!) but I wanted to comment before I forget and say that this has to be your best one yet. Super informative. I haven't seen this kind of comparison anywhere. I've heard talk, but no proof. Great job once again!

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@SquireSCA]

I keep alternating between semi autos and revolvers. I love the nostalgia, simplicity and reliability of the revolver, but of course feel like "more is better" with a higher capacity pistol... I carry a G29 in 10mm in the winter, and a Sig P365 in the warmer weather... But I never even considered the contact shot, and how easy it is to put a semi auto out of battery, or to jam it. That's a big deal, potentially... If some thug grab you and tackles you or is shoving you, the semiauto could quickly be rendered inoperable. Not all that likely, some might say... but then again, statistically it is unlikely that any of us will ever have to shoot in self defense anyway... So as long as we are gonna carry for "just in case"... we might want to give more thought to things like your contact shots... Good stuff man, subscribed...

[@GunSam]

Thanks. The small stuff is the important stuff. A lot of people buy the John Wick gun and see themselves as an action hero, but in the real world self defense is usually close, fast and few rounds. I prefer the simple thing that will work. Not saying a good 9mm won't work and be reliable, but when you go down to little pocket guns, them autos will jam.

[@SquireSCA]

@@GunSam Agreed. I made a video on this and why I might reconsider my carry package. I gave you full credit and a link to your video in my description, for provoking my thoughts on this. I never even considered the contact shooting aspect with a pistol. It got me thinking so I made a video on it as well.

[@woodystemms3799]

Thanks for considering one-handed use! For seniors, low recoil & muzzle blast makes a difference both in the field, and in determining how much range time they set aside to stay proficient.

[@Iabeyta814]

Great vid! I have a Springfield XDS and the guide rod sticks out a little bit passed the slide to help avoid pushing the slide back on contact shots, solves the contact shot issue with semi-autos.

[@Sedan57Chevy]

Personally, I blame big guns (6 inch or longer target barrels, chambered in 357 or 44 magnum) and very small air-weights and super air-weights loaded with hot plus-P (usually a hammer-less model) for being why so many people don't consider revolvers as viable, combat-effective tools. If you get a good, all-steel revolver loaded with a competent but not over-the-top round, it's going to be controllable and easy to shoot quickly, even in double action. So many people take truly overpowered guns and ammo to the range and only shoot them in single action; or conversely take the tiny and light j-frame they bought for their girlfriend, and expect to learn double action trigger control on a gun like that. Starting with a 4-inch revolver (or hell, even a 3-inch) can go a long way in helping you better understand and master revolver trigger control. A lot of people are just lazy and don't want to put the effort into learning a double action trigger pull- look at how quickly the da/SA hammer fired autos died off, despite offering all the same advantages as a striker fired auto, while also having the means to safely carry with a heavy DA first trigger pull, but also having the option for SA follow up in the event of needing extra precision. All this being said, I think with some basic training and practice with your firearm of choice will go a lot further than the choice of firearm itself. Any competently made handgun, loaded with competent ammunition, that you can hold, aim, and shoot reliably and accurately will probably get you through most of the bad situations you're likely to find yourself in. If the bad guys are really motivated to take you down, chances are you probably won't even get a chance to defend yourself with your firearm... Cops got by for a very long time with six-shooters. While higher capacity is always an advantage, I don't think it's quite the necessity many people make it out to be. Same applies to the reality of a faster reload. Cartridge performance, your ability to make hits on moving targets, and honest-to-goodness willingness to actually train with the damn thing will probably get you further than picking a gun with a few extra rounds. No reason to knock those who want extra ammo, but I think it's just a cheap talking point these days. 1911s, revolvers, DA/SA autos...they're all still around because they can get the job done just as well as a modern striker fired polymer wonder nine. Sure, they have some slight handicaps, but if you can work around and train with these handicaps, you can still find yourself with a very viable defensive tool- even if it was designed "back in the day".

[@exothermal.sprocket]

The only inhibition longer barrels pose are concealability, weight, wielding speed. Otherwise, 5 or 6" barrels offer nothing but benefits for the shooter in terms of taming muzzle, offering much better accuracy potential with sight radius, and in the case of the magnum a great jump in velocity.

[@danoneill2846]

@@exothermal.sprocket 5" 44 S&W 5.5" 44 Redhawk can't go wrong shoot 44 special +P 180 gr

[@jtem9313]

On the .357, from saying "here we are" to the third shot was over six seconds. You nailed it with the two hands though.

[@markkravig7410]

Actually a very well thought out video. My EDC is the same 340PD and I’ve loved carrying it for the last two decades. One other very unintended consequence of the five shot J-frame is that if a scuffle does ensue with an assailant that may take your gun away after you shoot them the three times from three yards it would be very easy to just empty the gun into them before could get the gun out of your hand. Then if they do get the gun, who cares, it’s empty at that point.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. Mine is actually the 342PD, so rather than scandium in the frame alloy, it's just the same frame as the 442 cheap old .38. But still, I imagine you would rather use .38 Special in the 340, as in my Taurus 605 that weighs 20 oz on my scale, .357 Mag especially 158 gr really throws the trigger guard into the front of my trigger fingers and feels like a baseball bat hitting a brick wall, so nearly half the weight with the 340 no thanks lol

[@michaelpage4199]

I would call the coroner for billy and Willy.

[@davidnicholas7516]

I've been reading detective and spy novels all my life, and I don't know where I read it, but the story (from years ago) is that you don't want to shoot a semi-auto pistol from inside your pocket...the slide will catch the fabric somehow and the pistol will jam. Revolvers, not so much...

[@cuttingwitjason7195]

Contact shots are the factor that made up my mind. I've been jumped by four dudes and you get taken to the ground fast, I don't care how badass you are, it can happen, fast. I'm too old to be fighting desperately for my life like that.

[@propatriaparati5746]

Well..I like your way of thinking and practice. It s street usable .. I have G-17, XD Mod 2 4" 9mm and Ruger SP-101 3" in 357 Magnum. I do practice with all of them but ..most of the time,my choice is to rely on Ruger 357. Yes, it holds "only" 5 shots but ...meaning of d-fense shooting is to HIT the danger in front of you,not to shoot in that direction. And I truly believe that 1-3 proper hit with 158grs Hydra Shok is more effective than "spray and pray " with 9mm . I never shot a man with 357 or 9m but I did a wild boar,and I must say ....go 357. It s a diference that counts.

[@joshbonds3599]

A lot of people will also say it takes a lot of rounds to stop someone on drugs, like cocaine, meth, or being drunk somehow dramatically alters human physiology. I think it's more about the attacker's state of mind, I've seen a number of police videos where the attacker was hit fifteen or more times with what I'm assuming were Speer gold dot .45 ACP hollow points, they turned out to not be on drugs at all but they completely ignored the damage. In one case the guy was hit in the heart but apparently due to a lack of hydrostatic shock it was more like a knife wound and the guy continued firing for a full 56 seconds until he was struck with three shots to the head.Your average person would never have to deal with these kinds of situations. Law enforcement and the military are dealing with people who are the worst case scenario and due to the circumstances of those shootings you'll see a ton of cases where even emptying a whole 17 round mag doesn't incapacitate the threat. If I were to get into law enforcement I'd probably heavily consider a good quality 10mm Auto pistol with at least 15 rounds capacity. At one point and time, before drop safe guns were common place, people carried cap and ball or cartridge revolvers with only five rounds loaded. I'm not sure if there's much data on shootings back then in the pre 1980's era, but from the 1860's until present five rounds have kept people alive. And back in the 1860's the .36 caliber Colt Navy revolver was ballistically similar to a .380 ACP if I remember correctly. I would imagine that law enforcement in the 19th century probably had a similar issue to today and possibly did have to reload in some cases or simply bring a shotgun or rifle into the fray. But I think over 150 years of continuous use of five shot revolvers says a lot about their effectiveness and reliability, especially with some police agencies only recently trading in their revolvers. Some people seem to think everyday life is a Rambo movie though and will only carry a gun that holds 15 rounds minimum, which is fine. But for me I find my five shot Charter .38 snub way more practical and comfortable, I really appreciate how the wood grip slides along clothes and car seats without snagging. It's an older 1980's production Off Duty with exposed hammer, which I like because it seems to improve retention in my strapped holster.

[@GunSam]

But you brought up an interesting point. When you do see either the high on drugs or adrenalin, it's at police officers because it's suicide by cop or it's not wanting life in prison. I feel like the likelihood of a regular person encountering this situation to be less, not only because they are not trying to arrest them, but because the odds a cop encounters a violent person is like 10 to 1 over an average citizen.

[@indianajets]

Me being a revolver guy also, I much prefer my LCR over any auto. Great video. I was surprised when the coat got caught up in the 9mm. That right there should make you think twice about carrying an auto..

[@GunSam]

Thank you. Yeah, unexpected for sure.

[@828enigma6]

I'm of the opinion that the multiple rounds fired by police is due to multiple officers firing at the same time, and since 9mm is so easy for most officers to fire easily, once the go switch is tripped, it takes a bit of time to the message to get to the trigger finger to stop. And there's always the Officer's mindset that they need to keep firing until the suspect is CLEARLY NEUTRALIZED. As someone one said, Keep firing until the suspect knows he's neutralized, not that you think he'd neutralized. Good video.

[@GunSam]

Thanks, and yes I have heard this. The late great Mr. Holster brought up this point how when the NYPD switched from revolvers to autos, the average shots fired increased dramatically for the average situation where they needed to us a gun. I think it was something like it was like 5 or 7 shots, after autos more like 22 shots or something really insane.

[@andrewfossatti4937]

In my humble opinion, for those pressed shots that’s why I I recommend a light that sticks out past the slide or a stand off device installed. Last thing you want when an assailant is on top of you trying to end you is a click rather than a boom...

[@jackdelvo2702]

For the average citizen shooting every shot after the first makes it that much harder for your lawyer to keep you out of jail.

[@buddyringo21]

Great video and extremely practical! This is my favorite drill , a real life shooting drill ! Not something they let you do at indoor shooting range but IMO very important to practice from carry position to target . I like using multiple close targets in my drills . With good practice you can clear a IWB holster and put a bullet in three different targets in 1.5 sec . Defeating the shirt , jacket etc is the Hardest part to do safely and accurately and that gets better with practice. I wonder just how many folks watching didn’t realize just how easy it is for a semi auto pistol to go out of battery with just a small contact pressure on the slide ...... another win for revolvers in a contact shot😁

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@matt5415]

Contact shots are the worst. The gasses fill the body cavity and causes it's own damage. The skin splits a certain way. The hammerless snubby is the best for contact shots. No hammer to catch on anything like the attacker's fingers or clothing.

[@ftdefiance1]

I have read descriptions of exactly that.

[@moshkid1627]

Great video. Very insightful. I think you got my Wheels turning on a j frame over the kahr ct380. Revolvers you don’t need to worry about being out of battery, bullet set back, FTE, FTF, etc. for the extra round you may gain from a pocket pistol it’s just not worth it for a pocket style self defense piece. I’d almost rather carry 2 j frames than a full size and pocket pistol combo. Least that’s 10 party favors you can distribute evenly.

[@GunSam]

Yes, just make sure to check them after every range trip and cleaning for the cylinder rod tightness. This is the main failure point of revolvers, people that clean and maintain revolvers never have this happen. People who know nothing about all of that don't check them, they freeze up once in awhile on the range, next thing you know you heard people talking catastrophic revolver failures and semi autos being better.

[@williammcconnell9501]

Another very good video. Nice to see you thinking outside the box again. Opinions on what is best vary a lot but you certainly did demonstrate one of the big differences between a revolver and a semi. Semi's do not like fabric, pockets or pressure on the barrel. Hammerless revolvers shoot just about anywhere... including shots taken from the shooters pocket.

[@GunSam]

Thanks

[@edwardcnnell2853]

Great example of one size does not fit all. For most self defense situations the 5 shot nubby revolver is adequate. It is very Russian WWII arms design, simple and rugged. No slide that can be pushed back disabling it, no fail to feed or eject. If for any reason a round fails to fire does not need two hands to cycle another round to the chamber. If you were in a time and place of civil unrest a full sized auto loader with high capacity would be the smart carry. And since you have a pocket gun in your inventor carry it as well as a last ditch resource. My personal choice was a five shot .38 Charter Arms undercover rated at +P.

[@kentuckywindage222]

Nice ballistics study. That burn you see on the fabric is pretty much the same on bare skin. There's an old video where a cop gets into to a struggle for his weapon and the perp ends up with a Glock 17. He point's and repeatedly pulls trigger. In the struggle mud or dirt jammed the slide out of battery . Giving the officer enough time to draw his 38 revolver from his ankle. He dropped the perp. You can see murder in the face of the black guy pointing and pulling the trigger with the expectation of killing the officer with each pull. A group surrounding the struggle offers no help to the officer. When the revolver raises and at the crack of the shot, the group break's into scattering. 🤣 I'm retired now but I carried a revolver on my ankle as back up. Revolvers are simple, if you pull the trigger and it dosen't fire, you don't have to use two hands to cycle the slide and smack the magazine, just pull the trigger again. Simple is 90% of the time the best way. We were taught KISS Keep It Simple Stupid. Complicated is just that, in a bad situation.

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@BJWeed1]

A bad day for Willie all the way around!

[@GunSam]

Yes lol. He dead.

[@BJWeed1]

@@GunSam you should change his name to Fred, because Fred is dead LOL

[@Subtlenimbus]

The contact problem semi-autos have is one of the things I like about the design of the NAA Guardians or the Seecamp.

[@CaptVanO]

My #1 fave for EDC is a Smith DAO snubbie 5 banger. #2 fave for EDC is a short barrel DA/SA 9mm. #3 fave for EDC is a DAO 380ACP. That is for EDC though.

[@saltydawg5913]

Well done, I would agree with your reasoning. I like your tests as well. Thank you for doing them. Keep making them.

[@GARYMANDIEVAN]

Great test

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@Graydog-sx6le]

This is a concept I ponder a lot. I tend to carry a 38 j frame or a 380 pocket gun most of the time. I hear what people say about capacity and ease of reloading. I feel pretty safe where I live and feel armed we’ll with five to seven rounds. Thanks for the cool video. Nice shooting.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. A couple of thoughts; First I always hear people praise the semi auto, which is fine, but they do it in a way that completely cuts out any negativity. Never do these people talk about jams, about loading the magazine, about limp wristing, about 17+1 ammo itself weighing as much as a whole gun itself, ammo being limited etc. But then they speak no positive of the revolver, and say that 5 rounds is not enough. Sometimes people carry an auto with a revolver as a backup. Personally, I could see the total opposite being more practical. Like, if I have 5 shots that are 100% reliable, most situations are solved by 5...if not I then grab an auto. The auto primary/snubby backup guys don't consider that their auto might jam, and if it does not they still probably need less than 5.

[@Graydog-sx6le]

@@GunSam I like your idea of a semiautomatic as a back up. I’m sure someone’s head fell off and rolled around when they read that. I just feel like a revolver is ok for me. I understand the limitations and pros and cons of it. That’s on me and the factors I have to mitigate.

[@danoneill2846]

@11:40 this is why DA/SA AUTO has the edge in this case .. keep pulling the trigger till bang

[@GunSam]

Yes, and I also filed again today using my Taurus G2C, and it has a trigger like that. Still at zero jams and has second strike capabilities.

[@moshkid1627]

@@GunSam great gun. I got mine a year ago. 500 rounds approximately and no issues at all. Look into the asmund trigger from Galloway precision. It’s a very comfortable trigger and keeps all the features the same.

[@ShaunPanzer]

Sam, I love your vids ! What no bologna ! Lol . I do love watching that evil mystery meat take a bullet !

[@dangerman007]

Outstanding presentation! This has been one of the best I've ever seen on this subject. This proves that what ever gun you carry, you will be fine as long as you hit your target. I understand the rationale behind carrying a high capacity autoloading handgun and I agree that in SOME situations it is an advantage: a riot, such as we had in my city in May of 2020, terrorist attack, 4 or more home invaders or some other possible but HIGHLY improbable situation. But let's look at what situation would be more realistic for an armed citizen to face. You are attacked by 1 or 2 people as you are coming home from work, the store, etc. They are interested in the money you have on you, the car you drive, or releasing their sexual urges on you. 3 well placed shots will resolve the issue in your favor. Would dumping an additional 13 rounds into the thug improve things or give an overzealous prosecutor a reason to put you on trial? A revolver has always been an effective weapon. It may not be "tactical" enough for some people, but would be a very wise choice for most people, in most situations.

[@GunSam]

Thank you

[@bsmithhammer]

Agreed. I think that a big thing that often gets overlooked in a lot of self-defense teaching these days is CONTEXT. Where someone lives, what their daily life is like, the choices they make to pro-actively avoid trouble, etc. can be all be influencing factors in one's equipment choices. If I live in a rural area with really low violent crime rates, for example, I'm not necessarily going to make the same EDC choices as someone who is night manager at a drug store or gas station in a big city. But it seems that all you hear are blanket solutions of needing to be prepared for extreme scenarios, and anyone who chooses less than the extreme is being foolish. And they wonder why more people don't sign up for self-defense training...

[@GunSam]

True. I don't see a lot of crime, and when I go to a city where it's a bigger problem, I do carry a high capacity 9mm. In the rural area I live I pocket carry revolvers.

[@Eddy-gc2vx]

We were taught in the academy that at distance is more a point and shoot. You wouldn't probably have time to aim but isn't neccessary to aim . I believe the stats was 3 shots, 3 sec and five feet due to the fact you should be moving if possible, but this was our training on 1994. I could be terrible wrong but your vid was very informative. My back up 38 colt cobra so was carries on the outside of my rt ankle so I could grab it better with my legs wrapped aroind,the perp on top of me. Great video.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. I sometimes think some of the old training that has been forgotten should be brought back. I mean, nothing really wrong with today's training with what I typically carried, but it's centered around Glocks, so if someone trained that way picks up anything other than a Glock, chances are they cannot shoot it well at all. I even saw a dash cam footage once, where a cop had a seized revolver on a patrol car hood, and he couldn't open it to empty it. He called in several cops to help and they were all clueless. To be fair I think it was a single action revolver, but still, it's not rocket science.

[@Eddy-gc2vx]

@@GunSam I seen that vid. The cop should be ashamed of themselves . I think most of us could pick up any handgun and shoot it and break it down etc.

[@anonymousf454]

I was so looking forward to seeing the s&w model 69 with buffalo bore 200 grain 1000+ foot pound ammo. I was anticipating this the entire video...lol would have been great to see the one and two handed draw for speed, and of course the contact shot which would have been spectacular💥🥊. If you ever do this again, please include my favorite ccw, the model 69.

[@kobkfighter3203]

I enjoy your channel. I've unsubscribed to all the big gun channels, because they are always shilling Chicom products. Please stay away from that. Just subscribed..

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I don't really do products lol, other than guns and ammo.

[@davehoward2791]

I’m not a fanboy of anything in particular, I own both revolvers and semi-autos. But with a revolver you can jam the barrel into the aggressor’s ribs or gut and blast away, and all those explosive gases from the powder charge can do a lot of damage in addition to the bullets themselves. That’s the beauty of a true belly gun. With a semi-auto you need to keep a few inches between you and the other person, but you can still do a tremendous amount of damage. Like you said, in any case hit him once or twice and he’s gonna reevaluate his priorities and most likely break contact, which is the desired outcome. My EDC is a .25 ACP, and I train for such encounters. 27 years in the military has taught me that at contact range if you can reliably dump eight or nine 50gr FMJ pills into a torso-sized target in less than 2 seconds, it doesn’t matter how tough someone thinks they are or how bad they want that next hit of crack, they will want to get away from that 💩storm. Thanks for another awesome, common sense video Sam, great info! 👍👍👍

[@GRAndreas7]

Paul barrel has a great video on the subject of shooting while on bed. Autos just jam like that because of the blankets

[@GunSam]

I realize that was a typo, but how awesome would that be if that was his name LOL

[@GRAndreas7]

@@GunSam hahahaha

[@poppy2394]

Poor Old Willie Boy Took A Hard Beating, This Is A Great Video

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@andrewfossatti4937]

Love the Die Hard reference!

[@dieseldavidson2671]

Nice job very simple and to the point

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@ED-2.0.9.]

Phenom Vid Gun Sam! You and the Gruber siblings there learned some people some things with this one! Saving this one to a keeper list to show some of my skeptic friends / Auto fanboys. Yup.

[@GunSam]

Thank you. And I didn't even think about it till right now, but Hans and his cohort were taken out, right after John was like "sht" and pulled two rounds from the SMG to put in his Beretta lol. He took shot placement seriously, as well as point shooting. Distracted the cohort with the fast body shot to Hans, has a slight second to get sight picture to the other guy's head.

[@bullfrogjay4383]

Superb and informative content. The more I see the more I am thinking a snub 38 is perfect for concealed carry. For me anyways. Awesome video.

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@RustyOpel]

Whether I'm carrying a .40, .357, .44 or .45 at hip or appendix or none of those the li'l 5 shot .38 snubbie with +P is almost always in my RF pocket.

[@denniscraig6022]

Serious food for thought ! Good show

[@MPGunther1]

I'm thinking the revolver has a bit of an edge for up close defense. You did a great job on showing different scenarios

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@dalekidd420]

Never assume that a handgun has "stopping power". I personally knew a police officer who, before the days when most cops wore body armor, was shot with a .357 Mag. JSP, the bullet narrowly missing his heart (less than an inch off). The officer in question was a typical physical specimen in policing at that time: middle aged, overweight and out of shape. He was, none the less, able to successfully return fire, killing the perp with multiple center mass hits from his issued .38 Spl. revolver, and get back into his vehicle to radio for assistance before becoming incapacitated by his injury. He survived the ordeal, but his wound was severe enough that he was never able to return to duty. The wound DID cause long-term side effects, contributing to his early passing some years later. RIP, Bob...

[@GunSam]

No one assumed it has stopping power in your definition, but everyone knows stopping power is a simple way to use the term more effective...I mean, I know sometimes I get 20 somethings flipping out about terms used as they are tacticool, but I say simmer down to them. Stopping power, knockdown power, cartridge effectiveness over another is the same thing.

[@alanderson9711]

Why did he say to you to get thrown off a skyscraper? Right out of Pulp Fiction, another fun vid, thanks

[@elblancobasura]

Ohhhhh Billy. Bad day for you, sir. You too, Willy. - "Billy and Willy were criminals from Philly, and I thought shooting them with .357 was silly, but then when I saw how well you dispatched them with Smith and Wesson, I came to my senses and learned my lesson."- I was out taking a walk this morning and it was 48 degrees here in Central Florida. I really could have used Willy's gloves. You need to tell Willy that smoking will kill him, too.

[@jazzman5598]

Really fine vid Sam. Thanks!

[@holaadios9958]

Interesting vid to say at least. In my humble opinion, 357 mag in a full power load is the best antipersonnel round.

[@GunSam]

I hear it is. And When I look at the old "stopping power" charts, along with the goat tests incapacitating the animal like 4 seconds faster than other cartridges, it's basically always the semi jacketed hollow point in 125 gr loaded to 1,450 FPS. It fragments, so I think that's why. Funny how one of the latest and greatest cartridges lately is .357 Sig, and it's centeres around a 125 gr .355" bullet moving at 1,450 FPS. The only problem though is obvious, I think it won't has as much effect as the .357 Magnum because the .357 Sig is never semi jacketed exposed lead.

[@holaadios9958]

@@GunSam fully agree

[@scubaguy007]

Very impressive video. I put a Lone wolf threaded barrel on my Glock 19 right after I bought it for 3 reasons, suppression at the range, lans and grooves in the barrel, and the big one... the Stand off effect.

[@GunSam]

Very cool. My lone wolf 10mm barrel has not impressed me. Might get a KKM soon.

[@scubaguy007]

@@GunSam I understand, back in 2008 they were one of a few companies offering them. So $150 spent it does what I need it to.

[@Gumby56]

Very accurate video.

[@GunSam]

Thanks!

[@biggunshandguns3687]

I've always carried a 1911 and thought I had enough ammo until this year. The thought of turn the wrong way and ending up in a mob or having a mob come to my neighborhood had made me question how many rounds will be enough. I do think it's foolish to expect someone to run away at the sight of a gun or after the 1st shot regardless the peep was hit or not. I've always been taught and trained to shoot til there is no threat.???? Ymmv

[@gregb6469]

If you encounter a mob your best choice is to separate yourself as far as possible from the mob, as quickly as possible, preferably while not drawing attention to yourself by firing your weapon; it is not to try to break up the riot by shooting a whole bunch of the perps.

[@raykirkham5357]

It depends like the guy said. My mom scared away an attacker with a 25 auto. If you are hazing or harassing someone and want to get physical. Usually one round into the body almost anywhere will deter sane people. The cops are fighting with criminals who often will do anything to avoid going to jail.

[@albertforletta1498]

Great video. I like the Die Hard movie reference. Lol,😂. Thank you!

[@GunSam]

Thanks lol. Peter Krieg was born Simon Peter Gruber.

[@duke927]

Chief Dwayne:”Hope that wasn’t a hostage.” Also Hans carried an HK P7 (Probably M8). In stainless steel. Pretty rare. I’m guessing here 3 to 5k today I bet.

[@aaronjohnson8575]

At contact the gasses entering the wound would be devastating.

[@Fudmottin]

It's that draw stroke that slows things down so much. Especially with pocket carry.

[@GunSam]

Yeah, but I think once of the advantages is to sneak the hand in first, full grip without looking suspicious.

[@joekahno]

Irl, contact shots are usually messy. I saw what was left of a guy when he walked right up to a 12ga before the person holding it dropped the hammer. If you didn't know better you'd think he was shot in the back. The shot column didn't have time to spread, golf ball size exit hole. Meanwhile the expanding gases tore open the entry wound and sent a lot of abdominal contents back at the shooter. It was a very bad day for all involved.

[@kfsrmn]

This is the reason bear protection revolvers have short barrels. They are meant for when the bear has you.

[@bitdancer1005]

Outstanding! Well done!

[@bobcatforever3485]

Another good video. Nice demonstration on protecting oneself. Take care. It appears as in a tight fight, the revolver could be the winner?

[@GunSam]

Thank you. I suppose how tight of a fight. Most people could probably use both, but I still think about my girlfriend who's tiny, I could see a revolver being a must in that situation.

[@bobcatforever3485]

@@GunSam Thanks for adding this comment.

[@Baurakale777]

Just FYI, Ellifritz's data shows that the average shots to incapacitation is 1.7 for 357 and 2.45 for 9mm. Hydrashok and Golden Sabres have a 96% first shot stop rate, according to Marshall/Sanow, while the best standard pressure 9mm is 82%. The odds of failure to incapacitate (providing that you shoot all 6 or 12) are roughly equal. If you have time to shoot 12, I can't see it being considered self defense.

[@GunSam]

Yeah, I was basically getting at that by shooting 12 into the dummy. Like, it looks silly when you act out what people say they need. And i'm not saying a lot of rounds is never needed, but typically even when the high capacity auto comes out, 2 rounds are what is fired. In the end, I still think reliability of the first 5 rounds is king. Most of the argument of a high capacity auto or an auto in general is based on that it will be 100% reliable. So I still see it now in almost 2021 that reliability and capacity are still trade offs.

[@adambarbara5002]

Great video, good realistic perspective.

[@GunSam]

Thank you.

[@apostoliccontender349]

My first time watching thoroughly enjoyed the video, although I did cringe when you did the pocket pistols without a holster. The body pressing causing the guns to come out of battery were extremely enlightening! I use my PET and MantisX to practice my draw and develop the muscle memory. The PET lets me know when I actually score a hit (1” target) from the draw and the MantisX tells me where I am making my mistakes. I am now a subscriber, keep up the good work!

[@bobjones2460]

At 10.05 is called the Jack Ruby.

[@americansuper-soldierjadav7234]

good test. snubby revolvers shine as a sort of glorified melee weapon in those situations. im surprised more people don't talk ab that.

[@andyssolutions5341]

15.30min. so funny, the bad dude really looked tired with his gloves when he move him :)

[@bowman321123]

Self defense shooting seems to be more of quality of the shot rather than quantity.

[@GunSam]

Seems to be, in my opinion. Energy, bullet design, shot placement all seem to neutralize a threat, as where just capacity does not, but lots of FMJ bullets are very lethal.

[@tlgeorge59]

Almost any pressure on the barrel/front slide contact will cause a no fire outcome on a small semiauto pistol.

[@jbp6759]

Did I catch a Die Hard reference at the beginning? lol, Nice. Great video, packed with great info. And great shooting at the end! I don't often dump mags ($$$) but it sure is fun, and accurate rapid fire like that isn't as easy as you made it look. I enjoyed the 4" Smith action in particular. I'm one of those weirdos that carries a 4" 357 most of the time (GP100) even though I am a smaller dude (5'7" 140lbs). It makes sense for me because around here I'm more likely to encounter an angry bear than a roaming gang, and since it is my favorite firearm it is the one I practice with the most and am best with. When I go into the city I usually take a semi-auto since the odds of multiple attackers increases at that point. I think the 357 would be fine even then, but I let the internet commandos get in my head and sometimes feel better with more rounds in the city. The first shot is by far the most important (if it hits!) so I like the idea of "front loading" the damage. If you add up the potential energy in the average 9mm magazine (11+ rnds) it is more than the 6 rounds of 357, but only after firing at least 11 rounds (comparing 124 gr 1100fps 9mm at 333 ft-lbs to 125gr 1500 fps 357 at 624 ft-lbs). How many self defense shootings does that happen? So I usually choose more power, more reliability, more accuracy (for me), and more flexibility (again...the imaginary angry bears lol). Like you said, chances are 2 rounds on target from a 357 in a 4" barrel is going to do the job.

[@GunSam]

Thanks. I carry a 4" revolver from time to time, but rarely. But even with more potential power, I think the main thing to think about is "stopping power", and getting past the whole thing that handguns do not "stop" someone etc, but basically what i'm saying is that two rounds of 9mm is more likely to kill a person than one round of .357 Magnum, BUT...I think one round of .357 Mag is more likely to stop someone than two rounds of 9mm, because energy intensified in one area is more noticeable. More likely the "bad guy" feels a thump, or a bone is broken or what have you.

[@jbp6759]

@@GunSam I'm fairly convinced now that, barring a central nervous system hit, handguns don't really have "stopping power" in the sense that most people think of it, and certainly not like a rifle or shotgun would, where the person is physically unable to continue their assault even if they want to. Certainly if any handgun cartridge does, it would be something like the 357 or 44 magnum. But I have seen self defense videos of people just stop...even though they are not dead (and many live!), and that is something you talked about in regard to police vs civilian shootings. When someone is stopped by a gunshot from a handgun, often is a physiological response. "Oh God, I have been shot" and they stop their aggression. Even a shot to the heart is not an instant kill, and in fact a person has minutes left to do harm should they want to. One thing aside from power that a 357 has going for it is noise and blast - these seem to often have a favorable (for the defender) physiological affect on an assailant. The downside of course is recoil etc. But my philosophy is that one big blast is more likely to end an assault in 1 second than 2 smaller ones. And that's my goal: stop the attack as fast as possible. That's why I carry the4m 4" 357. And also because I don't have a smaller one. 🤣

[@kylewood8327]

Great fun, but very informative, content in this video!

[@andrewfossatti4937]

Willy is having a bad day! 😂