REVOTechnik VW Golf Sportwagen TDI Stage 1 - (Track) One Take

[@centralintelligenceagency9003]

The problem with going into redline with a diesel is that it has zero torque after 4200 RPM. You can actually hear when you reach that point, as the engine stops going "VRRRROOOOOO" and starts going "MOOOOOO". It's because of the diesel being auto-ignition. The combustion can only be sustained as long as the piston doesn't exceed a certain speed. Shift it at 4500 or sooner, a diesel is not a gasser.

[@PepegaPig]

+Gordon Freeman I generally agree with you. :) Although something to note it depends entirely on the given car/engine/hardware/tune. My car makes peak BHP at 4200rpm and holds it flat till 5000 :-) (same base Common rail VW engine as this)

[@hunghuge7717]

+Gordon Freeman Hasn't been the case in a lot of diesels for quite a long time. BMW, Merc, VW/etc all learned ages ago how to make diesels rev right upto where the fuel stops burning. Usually 5000-5200 is the new cut off and that's because they build soft limiters into the software to save engine damage after that. Look up piezo injectors in a common rail and you'll see just how flexible the new fuel delivery systems are.

[@demetrisa.8571]

That.. and it's manual dsg would've been better,faster and the car knows when to change gear which is not the case with this guy..

[@rogerj412]

I'm loving 2011 Jetta Sportwagen TDI with the DSG. Can confirm the power falls off over 4000RPM. It's fun to cruise at 80MPH and still get over 36MPG. I bought the car after VW "fixed" it so I'm looking to mods to get what they took from me.

[@yitboy11]

Last i checked, West Virginia was not in the "Mid-West". Oh well, sick TDI none the less.

[@imSchwaggy]

Did you mean to say "end up bass ackwards"? @5:31 ?

[@WillemVerb]

+im Schwaggy HAHAHHAHAHAH indeed

[@ScottPC]

Ass backwards ;)

[@imSchwaggy]

i never heard it before lol its kinda funny *****

[@haydenjcollins]

That's the joke...

[@ChaosphereIX]

great car, NA needs more sporty wagons

[@DesertStateInEU]

+Colin Garnett (ChaosphereIX) They shouldve never stopped making the Dodge Magnum and CTS-V wagon

[@Cursalock]

+DesertStateInEu If people had bought them they wouldn't have.

[@DesertStateInEU]

Cursalock They were selling pretty well, they shouldve kept them around for atleast a decade till everybody got used to them.

[@LeeGHThomas]

+DesertStateInEu I knew about the magnum (terrific idea, horrible execution... No manual and a REALLY UGLY face) but the ctsv wagon is gone too? I FUCKING HATE SUVs. They're ruining Americas market for station wagons, and when people decide they don't want a big ol suburban/explorer they get some crappy/super ugly "crossover" which is just about the worst type of car imaginable. Bad gas mileage and not even utilitarian like a big ol SUV is.... God kill me now.

[@DesertStateInEU]

Thomas Lee SUVs are a major American thing, however you pointed out something important, the crossovers. They need to get rid of crossovers and bring back station wagons so people have an easier time making up their minds, and I guarantee more people would rather have a station wagon than a crossover.

[@maximus9401]

Oh shit, looks like APR and REVO wanna fight for your love Matt!

[@TheSmokingTire]

I'm polygamous when it comes to cars ;)

[@cagriyuksel6448]

+TheSmokingTire Matt i rly wanna know if u have bought a r32 gtr alrdy pls let us know :)

[@TheSmokingTire]

+nukem high yes, I did

[@cagriyuksel6448]

+TheSmokingTire im happy to hear that i hope u get no problems with it and enjoy it :)... would love to know if u could make a video of it for us i would love to see it and i bet many other people too

[@DamianSabre]

+nukem high I believe he said on his instagram that he'll make a video.

[@thatsInzeyne]

This thing is seriously cool, good looking too. My MK5 Jetta 2.0tdi is putting out 260hp/500tq

[@NicolasCageisGod]

Very impressive for a 2.0tdi. Have fun with it man :)

[@thatsInzeyne]

***** Hopefully going to make around 300-310hp soon with bigger turbo, built head and nitrous. And sadly im from the UK :( I would otherwise haha!

[@bobsagit10]

In the 3 years since this comment how many cams did you go through

[@GunsNBudder]

tagging in for response.

[@GunsNBudder]

@@bobsagit10 tagging for response.

[@StormAutoAdventures]

I'm not normally into wagons with the exception of the Dodge Magnum SRT8 & the Mercedes-Benz E55/E63 AMG Wagons, but I have to say that I actually like the styling of this Golf Sportwagen! Nice job VW.

[@Sj1bby]

You were talking about the temparaturegauge not making a fuss. Did you know that a VAG tempneedle will show 90°C (190°F) from 70-110°C (160-230°F)?

[@BlahBleeBlahBlah]

It sucks, in a lot of modern cars the "temperature gauge" has become a glorified idiot light... People got concerned when the temperature gauge would fluctuate (as coolant temp fluctuates normally). So in most modern cars they just set it to dead centre over a wide temperature range... So by the time the car indicates hot on the gauge it's well and truly hot!

[@TheSmokingTire]

I did not know that. And that is the dumbest thing on earth. Why even put a gauge if it's not accurate?

[@YZJB]

+TheSmokingTire it's designed so that people who have no idea about cars don't freak out if it's a millimetre left or right of 90 degrees C.

[@originaslpyderxta]

+TheSmokingTire Same reason the Miata had the oil pressure gauge replaced by an idiot gauge in 94. Too many people came in saying their oil pressure fluctuates. I mean, they arent wrong, my oil pressure gauge will go from 30psi at idle all the way past 60psi when really getting on it or when its cold. This is nothing new though. My 2003 Focus SVT was the same way. There were 2 temp readings. One coolant reading at the t-stat housing which was really a switch for the fan. Another that was a probe in one end of the cylinder head that was connected to the dash but it was also buffered so it would not fluxtuate. It would sit smack in the middle as long as the car was running fine and there were no numbers on it. However the SVT got 2 aux gauges fro oil pressure and oil temp that were real gauges. In contrast my 1990 Chevy Suburban has a real gauge with number on it and you can watch the t-stat open and the temp drop. It cycles between 150F to about 190F.

[@Sj1bby]

+TheSmokingTire It's designed so that people who don't know about cars, won't come and wine about any fluctuation. I'm guessing VAG thinks that a coolant temp of 70°C/160°F is an okay temp to beat on a car. No offence but, you might be a good example here: you tell the viewers VAG has a good reputation with not runing warm or cold a bit when pusing te car. Is a good repuation, not exactly wat you would want wen you manufacture cars? .. I'm guessing here, but me thinks loads of carbuilders do this...

[@CRLAMB]

great review. glad to see tdi getting the positive endorsement it deserves. soon there will be two of these in my driveway (currently just one for the wife.. stage 2 malone tune with buzzken downpipe)

[@ricklp10]

I'm not sure that summit points the mid west. I'd probably say east its coast, sense it is about an hour away from DC

[@TheExotich1]

Matt when is your RS coming in? Can't wait to see a review on it!

[@TheSmokingTire]

June. EPA testing delayed all new 2016 model cars coming to the US by 3 months

[@LeeGHThomas]

+Freak Nasty God damn government

[@MrJaegermeister007]

Where did they find an SEL Manual Sportwagen, been searching for almost a year and still haven't come across one.

[@SkillFreeJake]

It's a shame that VW isn't selling the tdi's right now but I can see why they don't want to. I've been looking into getting a Jetta or a Sportwagen in the very near future and would love a new one but will most likely have to go used :(

[@JNorth87]

Midwest?

[@pvkjhilk8323]

im still curious about the APR tunes on the golf R. it would be cool to see that sometime

[@WillThat]

I've had my TDI Sportwagen since June, awesome little car.

[@freezor80]

Hey Matt, West Virginia is not in the Midwest. :)

[@dbauernf]

Really want to see more of these "regular" cars on track. As silly as possible!

[@1999CSVT]

Any chance you can do a vid with a Malone tuned TDI too?

[@nolife02]

Hey Matt, I drive a 2014 golf sportswagen 2.0 tdi AWD. Stock it's a 150 bhp and it's what we in Europe call a euro6 engine that won't be recalled here in Europe. Does the 2,0 in the us come with a different engine?

[@TheSmokingTire]

+Bastian Visser we get the 150 HP/236 lb ft engine here.

[@nolife02]

+TheSmokingTire same one the, but here it's one of very few that is actually not being recalled. Got mine tuned by Swedish company BSR got a claimed 197 bhp. You can get the 2,0 tdi here from vw with 184 bhp but only in the golf alltrack model. Nice car in general though, very pleased with mine.

[@alterbr33d]

5:29 "You could end up bass ackwards in the wall if you really messed up" hehe

[@noelebbert9322]

So hypothetically for better track times with tdi is regearing plus tune the way to go?

[@TheSmokingTire]

Yeah or buying a gas car?

[@DazdnCofuzd]

As Matt said, that car would make a decent everyday car, and on occasion a track day car.

[@adamwe12]

It’s the same wheel base as the hatchback. And it’s slightly larger and lighter than the Mark VI.

[@schlimegod2175]

Lovely car, I now have a place in my heart for Volkswagen😊 Could u try to find a tuned Infiniti G37? That would really make me 👌🏻

[@willywillywillywillywilly]

Matt, when you say the tune is a win/win, does it really mean that MPGs aren't affected? Surely it either brings them down or emissions up. (Honestly neither of those things would prevent me from getting it, though.)

[@TheSmokingTire]

+Willy Lamb-Orgel Most off-the-shelf tunes do not really affect MPG unless you're driving the car hard. If you're trying to get the most performance out of it, it will surely use more fuel than the standard tune. If you're just cruising on the highway, the tune's parameters are not that far from stock so MPG shouldn't be affected. In our Fiesta ST, highway fuel economy is not changed from stock, even though the car makes 50% more power than stock.

[@rfouR_4]

+TheSmokingTire I do in the Fiesta ST. I use COBB's the fly switchable tune to go into that economy tune on the highway to equal it out though, and flip back when I need the power. Otherwise I notice a few MPG loss. Conversely if I stick it in cruise control and go 65 with the economy tune, I've average over 40MPG. xD

[@willywillywillywillywilly]

+TheSmokingTire Fascinating. That's awesome.

[@csw4ak]

2:47 Might want to double check your wheelbase numbers.

[@orumslv]

Wheelbase is the same, its not longer then on regular Golf

[@joecribben2975]

Is the Revo Audi S1 being featured?

[@TheSmokingTire]

We dont have S1's in the US.

[@joecribben2975]

+TheSmokingTire That's a shame, revo do some cool stuff. Putting my fiesta in once the warranty is over.

[@seanyoder3797]

+TheSmokingTire Oh how we wish we could bring the S1 to this half of the world!

[@alejandromoncada9777]

Where can i get that repro?Ia'm from Guadalajara México

[@tonogalindodelavega]

sportchips.com.mx/catalogo/p/REPRO-CHIP-TUNING,-REPRO-PARA-VOLKSWAGEN-GOLF-SPORTWAGEN-L4-2018-2.0L-TDi-TURBO-DIESEL-SPORTCHIPS-SCH-05732 LMK how it goes! I’m looking forward to upgrade mine too!

[@slevinkelevra5824]

Do we have these things in germany?

[@mr.bluenotedoobop]

I just saw one of these for the first time yesterday. Does it have AWD?

[@rudi_ghuliani]

+planb1215 4MOTION (VW's term for their AWD system) Sportwagens are coming to the USA later this year. I believe AWD is available in Europe but I could be mistaken.

[@94BrunoO]

+Boot Shrew They are. We also have the R SportWagen, AWD of course.

[@misterhartan]

Regarding reving the diesel to redline, to go fast as possible shift into the next gear when the engine produces more power in the next gear then in the current. with the performancechart and the gear ratios it is possible to calucate the rev's when to shift into next gear. Normally you feel the powerloss at high rpm in a diesel But maybe the tune keeps the power up to redline.

[@dbauernf]

I was just about to say that you're probably overreving it just by listening to the sound in the first minute when you mentioned it. A lot of diesels start to loose power at 3500 already and can be down by 10% or more by redline so.. might not be an opinion but something actually measurable.

[@colbyperry3325]

How is West Virginia in the Midwest? Lol

[@mblake0420]

we moved lol

[@Th0rOS]

Love the comment how to work out emissions problem :) P.S. One of those guys waiting to be called by dealer.

[@madisjaagura]

5-door and "wagen" have same wheelbase

[@TheSmokingTire]

+madoc do they really? They've done a great job masking that with the new body style. Maybe it's just the rearward weight distribution that gives the impression of longer wheelbase.

[@GSTRification]

Front engine especially transversely mount/fwd = most likely nose heavy. I bet that extra rear overhang gives a better weight distribution than hatch

[@Affalterbach1967]

Nice sunglasses. Link ?

[@AndrewBlackwood]

The Eastern panhandle of West Virginia is really the mid Atlantic, rather than the mid-West. Enjoyed the video.

[@danbonk9498]

saw a 98-02 camaro in the background in a recent one take. hoping its not a v6 and you drove it lol

[@TheSigp220]

Matt, when are you going back to APR?

[@TheSmokingTire]

No Alabama travel plans at the moment

[@oceanx1995]

+TheSmokingTire Summit point is far from the midwest... Straight up east coast.

[@tosyawilldoit]

About short shift it's true with diesel, because max torque goes from 1700 - 3100 RPMs. doing short shift with my 09 Jetta TDI I was able to get the maximum speed I could, winch was 125 mph. it would have been harder to do so pushing to the red line.

[@kobbetop]

Although the whole diesel gate thing happened, I still like my TDI and all of the new VW's are great cars. I'm lucky to be in Europe, my car can be 'fixed' so that it stays the same, power and everything. You US guys are probably not that lucky, but like Matt said, you can fix that with a tune lol.

[@vtecshepherd]

Even with the fixed calibration, the power is great honestly. I can't tell a difference between pre-and post tune.

[@peterk1834]

Shift at 4400-4600, the fastest way to go is to shift below 4600...

[@MrMichael007mc]

west virginia midwest?

[@thecamlog]

So how much power and torque does this car have?

[@TheSmokingTire]

175 HP and 280 lb/ft of torque

[@williammagrath7675]

What gear were you in when you hit 100 Matt? Just comparing my 2003 tuned Skoda TDI to it :) Great vid!

[@robm425]

He said into 4th. So 4th gear

[@ryannadernejad2814]

What wheel drive is it?

[@RatluBoogerbag]

That must be a really conservative tune

[@TheSmokingTire]

+Toad Boy I've never seen any OTS tunes on a stock turbo/stock VW TDI engine that make over 200 hp. Is someone doing that?

[@Neeburs]

+TheSmokingTire www.celtictuning.co.uk/en/component/ctvc/volkswagen/jetta-1b-2009/diesel/2-0-tdi-cr-138-bhp-2009/stage-1#t3-content 206hp 298lb/ft

[@nolife02]

+TheSmokingTire sv.bsr.se/trimsatser/t/2742 all in Swedish but basically 213 bhp with only a software tune 👍🏻

[@adamdrumonde1664]

Wasn't the Golf Sportwagen and Jetta Sportwagen thing just a name change? I thought they were completely identical.

[@TheSmokingTire]

No, they changed the body too. Car looks different

[@TheSmokingTire]

+Nik Brudar The previous generation of this car looked exactly like a Jetta with a wagon rear end on it and was called Jetta SportWagen www.newcars.com/volkswagen/jetta-sportwagen/2014

[@jonieder50]

+TheSmokingTire de.autoviva.com/img/photos/531/volkswagen_golf_vi_variant_1_4i_tsi_122cv_trendline_dsg7v_large_13531.jpg Thats our european Golf Variant. They just renamed it ;)

[@MikhailKozlov]

+Adam Drumonde new car is based on MBQ platform and it is identical to latest Golf. Old car was based on the MK5/6 platform and had Jetta's front end at the start. MK6 Jetta Wagen had Golf's front facia, but they did not change the name at that time. New car is lighter and it is actually bigger despite the impression (it is almost the same size as old B6 Passat Wagon).

[@adamdrumonde1664]

^That's what I was getting at more or less. Not the difference between a Mk6 and Mk7, but VW's uncanny ability to seemingly use Jetta and Golf almost interchangeably. "Introducing the all new 2016 Golf Mk7 Sedan!"

[@bobsagit10]

To anyone reading this. Jetta over golf sportwagen all day. Jettas have the independent rear suspension

[@justinbeamon6624]

Old comment haha but do you think it's worth it over the newer golf other than the rear suspension?

[@bingoberra18]

Nice Matt, "A good time without a good time". Also just to be part of the internet I must say you cannot pull timing on a diesel, although I guess they can do some trickery with injection timing or simply adding less diesel so I wont argue :)

[@Ohnoitsrambo]

Keep the VW'S coming!

[@Prodriver33]

well Matt if you feel it pulls up to redline thats the way to do it,

[@invictusdomini8624]

That's my daily driver, it's excellent. I probably have the cost high score of $20,500 for CPO 54k mi. 2015 VW Sportwagen TDI SEL 6M in May 2020.

[@daftmou5s160]

The engine sounds good, almost like a petroleom based engine.

[@Onthewater763]

The software update has actually increased hp and torque slightly ..

[@hidad8254]

MATT IS IN MY HOME TOWN!!!!! 😭❤️

[@jmmyjimmy106]

Sounded like a fat at like 7:35 lol, I'm sure it was just camera or something else moving though.

[@jmmyjimmy106]

fart* fuck lol.

[@noelebbert9322]

Gooch queef

[@TylerDickey1]

I don't think it's a good idea to talk about cars being "neutered" by the emissions recall that the details of which have yet to be announced. Other than that I really appreciate the TDI videos.

[@zakk4321able]

There gonna buy back more of them

[@TheMdr1995]

I can tell he likes Volkswagen 👍🏽

[@gabrielguerrameneses1208]

who cares about diesel gate?? vw best

[@mblake0420]

agreed

[@gabrielguerrameneses1208]

Same but i don't have a diesel vw:(

[@gabrielguerrameneses1208]

theshonen8899 i love to have asthma is way to have a good life

[@mblake0420]

theshonen8899 I have asthma and love my jetta, I just don't breath through the tail pipe or stay in an enclosed garage with it or any car for that matter

[@mblake0420]

***** indeed

[@JoJoJoker]

Too bad they only send us the FWD model...for now.

[@mindspinn311]

My god this is like my ideal car. It’s unfortunate that the Mk7 TDI was 2015 only bc of the stupid diesel scandal, and that they are torsion beam rear suspension.

[@chrissorreda4982]

I think Matt should listen to the people saying he should shift before or at 4200 rpms. If you're not an expert at something, VW diesels in this case, be a sponge and listen to people giving advice and constructive criticisms imo.

[@polmeh]

You forgot to mention the refinement

[@lukereinikka3491]

I shift whenever the turbo comes off boost

[@chilliwhiggerE]

Somebody has a SportWagen TSI 4motion going 11.4 in the quarter mile.

[@YZJB]

The Mk7 Golf TDI IS NOT AFFECTED BY THE VW EMISSIONS SCANDAL! There is no recall for this model, only the older ones (Mk6 and Jetta Sportwagen)

[@jonathans5695]

This is incorrect

[@igotlobsterhands]

everyone knows you don't have to take your TDI's in for the re call if they don't want to right? VW isn't gonna hunt you down and make you get the new tuning.

[@ralfdcat]

+igotlobsterhands In California you will have two years to do the fix and then the State will get a record of VINS with no fix and you will not be able to register the car. Not all states are that way but this can be enforced.

[@igotlobsterhands]

+ralfdcat holy I live in BC Canada and my mom owns a Jetta TDI and all she got was a letter but no one is making her bring her car in.

[@SlipknotMaggot0526]

That's right but I guarantee if people bring it in for normal maintenance they will install the different tune.

[@YZJB]

The Mk7 isn't even affected by this emissions issue. I don't get why Matt was banging on about VW installing slower tunes on these cars - they won't, they aren't recalled.

[@SlipknotMaggot0526]

+alexaescht yes they are.

[@BestMillimeter18]

I'd get one and put on a hood stack straight pipe exhaust just to fuck with the treehuggers. 😂

[@dennisbarrett7642]

After watching the FIRM rally video. This looks like a drive to the grocery store.

[@TACTICSRUS]

West Virginia!!!!! Thats my State :DCool track! Cool car too!

[@kanaric]

i wish they made these with awd

[@PIchillin456]

They should be offering one with AWD and a 0.9 inch increase in ride height next year. It'll be called the Golf Sportwagen Alltrak. But, unfortunately for now no TDI engine and no manual transmission. Just the 1.8T and a DSG will be offered.

[@CrossWindsPat]

Is back asswards a saying or did you just have flash dyslexia lol?

[@JesusMU47]

At first glace the thumbnail looked like a TDI with drones attached to it. And yeah, I'm high.

[@HeliconPath]

If you get a chance Matt, can you ask that they stop charging their Australian customers so much more than you guys in the USA ;)

[@CUZC0M]

how come this whole channel is just one takes now

[@mariuszanfir2298]

+CUZC0M Because "full-on" videos are expensive to make and the revenue from KZbin is not enough to cover the expenses. I say we should be happy for getting cool, free videos regardless of the format. Edit: if you want something else than one takes, go here ;) vimeo.com/ondemand/allcarsgotoheaven

[@lazarjanjusevic3]

i love it when you say "use the torque of the diesel" and you are trashing it to the redline...The higher the rpm the acceleration is slower on diesel,because max torque is at around 1500-1800 rpm and max power is at 3500-4000rpm(depending on the engine)...No need to rev past that(like you do,to 5000) and there's no need to downshift to 5000 when you can keep it in higher gear...You drive too many petrol cars,diesels can be fun too!

[@TheSmokingTire]

+Lazar Janjusevic Yes, but this is a manual gearbox car, and so the shift times come into account. If you can rev the engine to redline in between corners to avoid making two shifts (one up, one back down), the net will be in your favor. Furthermore, if you drive an automatic or dual-clutch diesel, put it in automatic, and floor the accelerator pedal, it will shift at redline, not at 4,000 RPM, leading me to believe the engineers who designed the car are of the opinion that the fastest way to accelerate a diesel car is to shift at redline. If someone can show me proof otherwise, I'd be happy to hear it. But I would love to see a drag race between two diesel cars where one car is run to redline and the other is short shifted at 3500. I'd bet the redline shifted car wins the race.

[@giomartini]

+Lazar Janjusevic +TheSmokingTire Tuned TDI has completely different torque curve, you get way more torque up the rev range compared to the stock map one. So, standard maybe, tuned - rev it!

[@lazarjanjusevic3]

TheSmokingTire Hey man,you have a great chanel here,you test a lot of cars,and you could probably organise a small drag race and film it...I'm sure a lot of us are interested to see what happens when you shift at max torque,max power or pedal to the metal :)

[@colin8601]

not the Midwest...

[@TheZombieKillerHD]

Like this wagon

[@jphillips360noscope]

refined experience is refined at the track in the midwest (lulz)

[@BigCarKilla]

You don't agree with the idea of up shifting early, and yet you're a gear higher than the petrol? :/ Also, look at the dyno graph, and you'll see that revving it out is an absolute waste of revs, speed, and time.

[@TheSmokingTire]

+BigCarKilla I'm a gear higher than the gas car, yes, but I still don't like upshifting before redline when I'm on the straightaway. The car doesn't pull as hard above 4500 as it does below it, but the last 500 RPM are still worth using if you're trying to go as fast as possible. The time and momentum lost with two extra shifts isn't worth it to me when there are still revs left in the gear.

[@BigCarKilla]

+TheSmokingTire Matt, after looking at the power curve of this tune, I really am going to stand firm on this - as from 4,300rpm the power drops like a cliff. You'd be pushing to redline for no reason, and slowing your progress. If you get the car again, do a 1/4 mile time shifting at 4,500 and again at 5,000 - you will see an advantage. The amount of torque and power you lose in those last few revs is massive, this isn't a gas car, the drop off isn't progressive so there isn't a reason to whip a dead horse. While up shifting earlier places you back in the meat of things and gets you progressing faster.

[@JoJoJoker]

Soundaktor sounds weird in a diesel car.

[@rfouR_4]

LOL my brains is like OH LOOK real life iRacing.

[@997speedy]

with the golf 7 2.0 tdi, you just waste time after 4200-4500

[@TheCarCrazyGuy]

I would stay away from those affected cars period. VW has tarnished its reputation and I'm sure it's hurt the resale value. Once they "fix" the car it will be less desirable. Throwing in a tune effectively voids your warranty. I'd rather buy something more fun out of the box. You can't go wrong with the ST twins. Great performance and superb value. I know, I've owned both.

[@arielr3200]

Those who buy tdis are for the most part either: looking for the high mpg (close to 50) or vw enthusiasts or both. The same person buying a focus st will not think "let me try the golf tdi instead, I bet it'll be more fun and faster". It's two different markets. Therefore your comment is irrelevant sir.

[@LeeGHThomas]

+Reginald R yeah 50 mpg and a huge boot/lots of backseat room. It would just be a positive that its 190+ hp and manual for a car guy.

[@5serieslover]

+Reginald R not true. I've cross shopped a tdi golf manual and a focus st.

[@arielr3200]

+Sandro you're not the typical buyer my friend.

[@johnroger7729]

"Difference of opinions" on how to shift correctly lmao

[@MakinSomeNoise]

It's a unicorn.

[@bottomlayer]

There's a reason it feels lighter on ts feet. Easy to tune when you have no emissions controls :p (sorry, I had to!)

[@Charlimike24]

25hp are a poor upgrade, they do around 200hp to the crank on stock hardware, and 430-450nm. 184/190 versions we can get in EU gets 230-240hp and 370-380ibft when they are maxed out.

[@coffeeblak86]

bearded out!!!

[@dumkopf]

Diesel for a track car? Yeah no.

[@TheSkilfingar]

Sportwagen? Seriously? :D This doesn't make any sense

[@TheSigp220]

+Mathias Braun Oh man, do you have things to learn. No offense as I understand that its not everyone's cup of tea but the modern day wagon is no woody. (Check out the C7 RS6) but its got the name because it shares the same plat as the Golf just extended body for utiliterian purposes. Its actualy sporty.

[@TheSkilfingar]

TheSigp220 Whatever. I'm German and "Sportwagen" is the term for sth like Porsche, Ferrari etc. I guess in Germany this would be the Golf Variant R-Line TDI

[@TheSigp220]

Oh, I see what you're saying now. My buddy had a MK3 Variant VR6 and it was awesome. What Model Porsche and Ferrari do you guys get badged Sportwagon over there? I lived in Germany from 1992-1995 and its a diffrent world these days.

[@TheSkilfingar]

TheSigp220 I only took Porsche and Ferrari as an example to explain the meaning of "Sportwagen". ;)

[@Noise-Bomb]

+TheSigp220 in Germany Sportwagen is like the English sports car so things like 911's Ferrari's or things like that. Sa for us Germans this term makes no sense especially when it comes from a German car manufacturer

[@JetSquid]

Noice

[@nicholassilvestri1804]

Needs a full delete

[@justinjavellana]

Bass ackwards. lol