REWATCH: Rogue One: A Star Wars Story- Sith Council

Rogue One a Star Wars Story was released in December of 2016. It was the first live action movie released in theaters that was not connected to the saga series. In this episode, Kristian Harloff, Mike Kalinowski and Steph Sawbraw rewatch the film with fresh eyes to see what held up, what they liked and how it will tie in to future TV series.
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[@gregorylieber8362]

"What is she proposing?" Became an instant classic with my friends.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha

[@michaelgoodyear9369]

I yell that at work when people are in a group if it fits. People think Im weird hahah

[@eltonarthur1233]

@@michaelgoodyear9369 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.

[@eltonarthur1233]

Wish the guy yelled that line in Revenge of the sith when Palpatine makes himself emperor in the conference in front of everyone. That would have been funny 🤣🤣

[@curthagens]

I really need to watch this show more often. I’m a massive fan of all three of you.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you and please do!

[@TheNinjacanadian]

I didn't mind Tarkin, it was a marvel of tech and really pushed forward the "CGI' face. I don't think we would have gotten Thanos to the quality we got without this

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I agree.

[@ralphroshia9247]

Couldn't Agree More when you first see him it's a little weird and he's in 4 scenes and by the second I'm fine with it like my brain adjusted to so this is what Tarkin looks like and we get hear " You May Fire When Ready " Again of course he said it 3 times once at the battle of Scariff when blowing up Alderaan and battle of Yavin

[@viewaskew7741]

It was jarring at first but on rewatches, its a pretty amazing showcase of cgi

[@mogg34y]

When Cassian kills the guy at the start I knew this movie was going to be special. Rogue One , Obi Wan event series. Andor Series will be the true prequels live action to star wars. I love this movie.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Can't wait to see how it all lines up.

[@creativz666]

The only movie I've ever seen here in the uk that got a round of applause at the end...incredible love it

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It delivers something fierce at the end.

[@craighofmann638]

While I appreciate Kristian's take, to me, the Bor Gullet scene is an ideal Star Wars trope; in so much as there is normally at least one menacing/fantastical creature in each film: For example, in ANH, there is the trash compactor creature. ESB has the Wampa, and asteroid slug. ROTJ has Rancor and Sarlacc. In other words, these creatures help to flesh out the otherworldly nature of the saga...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

@@LETSTALKENTERTAINMENT Well see this I agree with this. If it wasn't CGI, maybe.

[@RealCarlosPerez]

Rogue One is definitely top 3 Star Wars films for me! Also, love that Andres is joining for The Last Jedi, it wasn’t my favorite but I remember really liking the 2nd half of the film. Also, Steph has been such a great addition to the crew I guess it’s been almost a year now but she’s been super entertaining and brings a different energy.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Steph is a boss. And yeah, looking forward to having Andres in here to talk Ep 8

[@eltonarthur1233]

Same. Revenge of the sith, attack of the clones amongst them of well.

[@dawn_bestofj2]

Loved this episode! I tend to align with Kristian's views about the Stars Wars films. Rogue One was a movie that I enjoyed when I first saw it and liked, even more, every time I've watched it since. This movie ages like fine wine. I thought the beginning was a bit jarring. It needed an opening more like "Solo" to give us a little backstory and ease us into the film. I had read "Catalyst" before seeing the movie so I knew the backstory but I was the only one in my group who saw it opening night that had read that book. I think the soundtrack is strong. My favorite tracks are "Jyn Erso & Hope Suite," "The Master Suite" (when Jyn & Cassian climb the tower to get the plans), and when Vader shows up through the credits. The 3rd act is one of the strongest in the Star Wars series - great action and emotion. Vader wrecking shop is classic and I love how it leads us right into A New Hope.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Same page Dawn!

[@RPilgrim]

Great show this episode as well as all the other ones you have done so far. You 3 are doing a great job on these rewatch shows. Rogue One is one of my fav SW movies.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I appreciate that very much!

[@Im_Ish]

This was the one I was waiting for. Love me some Rogue One talk.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for tuning in!

[@thebeastandhistemptress]

Also not hearing many people getting pumped for the ANDOR series…this is the one I’m most excited for…can’t wait to see that lived in world again 🎥💛👌

[@jackdubz4247]

I think we actually need to see some completed footage (with score) from the show. Not pre-production artwork or photos of sound stages/location shoots. Something tangible to get our teeth into. Because it's hard to get excited over a title card saying Star Wars: Andor.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agree with Jack, I think it is all about that first trailer!

[@thebeastandhistemptress]

Fair point I’m just so excited…as a Star Wars fan we’ve got the book of boba fett and then obi wan too…surely we’ll be getting a trailer soon I hope…only a couple of months away…this is the way 🧡❤️🎥

[@caedus0809]

I'm glad you guys are doing these rewatches. I think you should have a bigger audience, you're very good to listen to and I hope you don't stop doing these episodes, especially with the upcoming series coming up.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well we just started this channel a few months ago and grew from 9k to 15k so just getting the word out so thank you for the kind words!

[@AhsanRaza-iv1ek]

Really enjoying these re-watch recaps!! Looking forward to the next video.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@mildmanneredcomicnerd8849]

I really loved this movie as well. I saw it in IMAX the second time and it was WORTH IT!!!!!☺️☺️☺️☺️. Great show everyone

[@CinematicGalaxy]

I saw it the first time in IMAX. Mind-blowing experience.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you! Happy you guys are digging these rewatches!

[@gian-phillipelomena8711]

I think that bit when Cassian is all wet and has to change jackets and stuff in the ship felt incredibly star wars for some reason. I think it reminded me of Dagobah Luke. That sort of thing had a very Empire/old star wars vibe. Loved that.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah, it all felt comfortably familiar.

[@therealmovieman]

Another great chat. Gotta love you 3 together. I so agree Kristian, subtitles work every time. This could be applied to Lady Proxima and the Trade Federation

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup!!

[@brandondeknatel472]

Saw this because of the video of the main channel i missed these type of star wars converstaions. keep going with the awesome work!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Welcome aboard! Thank you!

[@onecrow412]

I feel/love that Vader's hatred of the rebels ended up being his undoing. He could have gotten the plans but he got caught up playing with the rebels. He could have rushed and gotten the plans he was enjoying every last murder. As a result it allowed the rebels to slip away with the plans. I love this movie so hard!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Very true!

[@YoManLetMeTry]

I totally agree about the hologram scene, it's my favorite scene too. The way the music crescendos and the emotionality make for a super well executed scene.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

So emotional.

[@ADWrites24]

Loveee these weekly , I’m excited to hear some empire talk soon.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

More to come!

[@dejabu24]

this movie is awesome , Andor series will be great too , Felicity Jones , Diego Luna and all actors did an amazing job

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Excited to see it

[@eltonarthur1233]

Can't wait for that Series. Both Andour and Asohka are most anticipated star wars series.

[@PBuffdaddy00]

This discussion was so good. This has been my favorite Disney Era Star Wars movie. I think it had some of the most amazing Star Wars moments. Very cool!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thanks David!

[@eltonarthur1233]

Same.

[@BATBOMB82]

God, I love this movie. We appreciate the rewatches Kristian.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you! Matrix rewatches starting this Fri!

[@OLDTIME47]

@Harloff... update, ok was just going through some clips of a new hope, and about the no lights thing on vaders chest, it's only his belt that has lights on or working, maybe they realized that in empire and made chest piece light up, check it out in your rewatch.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Will do!

[@And-Or101]

Really enjoyed this discussion. And in my opinion Rogue One is fantastic.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you. We are happy people are enjoying the rewatch series!

[@tomt5482]

In terms of the two stand alone SW movies under Disney, what I think Rogue One got right and Solo got wrong is that Rogue One took a simple idea (stealing plans) and built a story around it while Solo took a beloved character and tried to stuff their entire life pre episode IV into it.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

100 percent.

[@adrianwhitted6431]

I was not aware of this content..Been a fan and excited to catch up..

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I love that you found us and came back!

[@darthwint3823]

I was at Star Wars Celebration London 2016 & Ben Mendelsohn had fans eating from palm of his hands..

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hope he is back for Andor

[@smharris23]

Loving these rewatch discussions! I wish I'd have heard more talk of the subtle Rebels Easter eggs. It's the small stuff that makes the lore and connectivity of the SW galaxy shine. Kristian you did mention Hera & Chopper 👍🏼

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah there were some for sure!

[@brucecrawford4948]

Yes! Thank y’all! I was wondering if y’all were going to do a Sith Council review for Rogue One today or not? I love y’alls Star Wars reviews! 👏😊

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I scheduled it for tomorrow like an idiot!

[@brucecrawford4948]

@@TheKristianHarloff No worries! It happens! haha Thank you for uploading it!🙏

[@raquelperez3329]

Rogué One is a top 3 for me. Love the music track “Your father would be proud if you” such a moving track. This discussion was great and looking forward to New Hope next week!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Raquel!

[@ZachBobBob]

Giacchino's score for this movie is so under appreciated

[@PierreEJoudy]

I'm really enjoying these conversations. I'm not a huge Star Wars guy by any measure, but I'm getting a deeper appreciation of the franchise and am enjoying the movies more as a result. Keep up the good work. 👍

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Glad you like them! Thank you so much for checking them out!

[@nickpiccolo9106]

Rogue One is easily in my top 3, it was a great theatre experience and the Vader hallway scene is one of my favorite moments in Star Wars!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Such a moment.

[@eltonarthur1233]

That moment was a beast. When his light saber lights up to light up the hallway is such a boss badass move. So intimidating.

[@BIGSchuZ]

Saw this on my honeymoon. What a fantastic week. I love Rogue One

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Same! Well not the honeymoon part ha.

[@SteelerSpartan]

I always enjoyed all the little squabbles you all had with Goddard on Sen Live over this movie. I love RO....I now always watch RO and ANH back to back when Im going on my run through the saga. Battle of Scarif is truly some of the best SW action there is.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

The movie just gets better and better.

[@rittiswelt4287]

Hello everyone! Well, today I might need to watch out not to sound too much of an echo chamber after listening to the discussion. So I'd like to begin with my actual experience at the theatre. I went to the theatre straight after work on opening day and already felt more excited than usual. The first half of the movie hit me so-so during the first viewing. I was too busy taking everything in the movie threw at me. Despite getting heavily distracted by a kid one or two rows behind me, which began to comment the film nearly halfway through its runtime, the second half of the movie absolutely blew me away. I mean, what kind of a third act is that? Absolutely overwhelming! I'm born in 77 and when I left the theatre, I had this warm and fuzzy feeling of just having been given a theatrical experience similar to what the people back in the days might have had, when Star Wars came up. And if it wasn't that extact vibe, at least I felt an overwhelming joy of just having seen a story, that perfectly aligned with the general idea of Star Wars me and my sandbox buddy had, when we were kids, playing around with our Kenner action figures. If I remember correctly, I immediately went for a second viewing the next day and loved it even more (without the annoying kid behind me). Rogue One just has "the feels", the attitude and the style of a true OT Star Wars movie. To me it's a n awesome (no perfect) prologue to A New Hope and if I had to put a bracket around the different eras, the original trilogy became a tale of four movies in 2016. Could Rogue One have developed its characters in a more indepth way? Yes! (Bodhi is a pilot...a pilot...the pilot!) Does it matter? Not really! I think the Andor series is a great opportunity to explore some of the characters in meaningful ways and put a lot more meat to the bone, that will keep Rogue One in itself streamlined, but with a ton of extra background to feed on. Andor's task will also be to build a sense of foreboding. I expect it to pick up the rising tension (with hints and pieces) and maybe steer into the calm before the storm, until the rebels become fully aware there's something truly big about to happen (which apparently surfaces in Rogue One as the cumulation of it all). I also think the Death Star has never been shown more menacing and impactful than in Rogue One. It was such a rough and physical experience when that blast wiped out Jeddah that you felt like a survivor yourself, when that U-wing finally reached space! As for the Tarkin scenes, they never bothered me the same way some people online gush all over them. I don't have a problem admitting, that during my first viewing those scenes totally hit me off guard. I just sat in that chair, my jaw dropped and my brain tried to wrap itself around what I was just watching there on the screen. It totally tricked me the first time around and if that makes me a fool, I was at least a happy fool for those magic moments! :) Unfortunately when The Mandalorian came up with Luke Skywalker I had the exact opposite reaction because of Rogue One. Ironic, isn't it? All in all its just an amazing movie and perhaps the most seamless addition to the Star Wars cinematic branch we've had from Disney so far. Ending literally 5 minutes before the events of A New Hope was a brilliant choice as was to unleash Vader for some moments of absolute carnage.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you for this wonderful in depth look of your experience! Cannot thank you enough for sharing!

[@thetreeshaker4143]

Mike’s killin the trivia on this episode. Nicely done brother

[@TheKristianHarloff]

He really is!

[@Spideymrw]

I’m going to have to rewatch this one to see where it lands for me and judge it fairly. I saw it once and it was just ok to me and I didn’t really care about the main characters.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I felt the same. Come back after the rewatch and let us know!

[@Bagel_Montoya]

Great episode! One of my favorite SW.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Same here!

[@kins1894]

16:59 Watch the show the Outsider, Its kind of a Supernatural mystery drama show , like heavy drama show with Mendelson as the protagonist... A Cop detective investigating stuff, I remember Kristian you may have talked about this on Old SEN live show. I absolutely bought the guy as a good guy, A really tortured soul dealing with grief. I loved his portrayal

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I talked about Bloodline I think.

[@seedetailsbelow]

I think Bodi originally lost his mind permanently. I think that would have driven home how much of an extremist Saw was. And that's also why we see Saw on the beach in the trailers. I think they cut a good bit of him out of the movie because they didn't want an extremist to be a hero so they killed him off early

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Interesting, would love to get the real story one of these days!

[@austinlucas9577]

This is the movie that got me to deep dive into all the Star Wars lore and canon. Steph is right, this made the galaxy feel so huge, particularly with the title cards for all the planets. I think Star Wars should embrace recasting vs deep fake etc. Would have loved Sebastian Stan as Luke in Mando but for this, Charles Dance would have made a great Tarkin!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

The Deep Fake guy they got for Lucasfilm is good. To be clear, this is not Deepfake tech in Rogue One now.

[@craigwilliamson8167]

I remember watching Last Jedi, and the whole time I kept thinking, “ok it’s gonna get better any minute now” “any minute now” and then end credits.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah and to be fair, lots of people love it. Want to give it a fair rewatch when it is time but TBH, looking forward to it the least.

[@craigwilliamson8167]

@@TheKristianHarloff I can’t wait for this rewatch, just because I’d love to hear your complete thoughts on the film. And it’s not like it’s a terrible movie or anything, it was just disappointing. I thought the trailer was excellent, so I think I was just super hyped, plus the handling of Luke was just completely different than what I expected.

[@briangoins3386]

I would love a behind the scenes doc on this movie. Remember the first trailer and then none of it was in the movie. Like them running with the plans. I prob have this one 4th or 5th favorite

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Would love to see that as well.

[@MindofMike35]

Now this one, I really, really, really love!!!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Glad to hear it!

[@gohan9220]

I was looking forward to this podcast all week, The Force Awakens & Rogue One were my favorite Disney Star Wars films. You guys gonna watch that Lego Star Wars Halloween special or pass on it?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I was looking forward to it, we will see!

[@lucasromerova6150]

I loved Vaders jokes as it brings in Anakin a bit from Clone Wars.

[@thebeastandhistemptress]

Rogue One is my favourite Star Wars movie since the original trilogy 💛🎥that final act is something special

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Can't take your eyes off it!!

[@jesseurena5153]

When vader says to the imperial officer prepare a boarding party and the guy says yes my lord and is just is staring there shook was so fucking awesome

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Very much so!

[@candoentertainment9118]

Always thought same as Steph did about shooting around Tarkin's reflection.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Wonder how the new deep fake guy at Lucasfilm will be!

[@mathewhudson7649]

It was Gold, Red, Green and Blue squads. Loved Rogue One like many in the comments, one of my fav Star Wars films. Good Show Sith Council 👍🏼

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@mogg34y]

When Tarkin turned around in the cinema my jaw dropped. That scene was awesome. Because I heard they just did a recast. So when I saw that I was omg 😲 I wonder if he will appear in Andor 🤔

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I wonder and now that they have deepfake, could def happen

[@mogg34y]

@@TheKristianHarloff yes they will definitely improve on thing's. But back in 2016 that one shot where he turns around I was like omg 😲

[@mogg34y]

@@TheKristianHarloff its brilliant Tarkin lives on. I read back in 1977 Peter Cushing was overwhelmed when he saw Star Wars. And was sad he wouldn't be part of Empire Strikes Back. Now I don't know if that is true but I read it in Starlog magazine back in the day !

[@LP3Customs]

I still remember when you called it that Vader will be the villain of Kenobi

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It just made sense!

[@stan4242]

I enjoyed this episode so much more than the movie itself

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you1

[@yoshimitsu5537]

I loved Diego Luna in this! I normally wouldn't care about the Andor series but he makes me excited for it.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I am very curious about it.

[@Sco3000]

Definitely a top 5 SW film. probably rank it 3rd or 4th personally

[@TheKristianHarloff]

High praise! Thank you SCO!

[@Sco3000]

@@TheKristianHarloff Kristian I feel similar to how you guys were describing this movie with the last Jedi towards the end of the podcast. This movie was able to wrangle in the hype and not fold like a house of playing cards to that hype. And did not need to rely on misdirection to subvert expectations. Despite this movie coming out decades later, it almost seamlessly fits with episode 4.

[@hito157]

This was fun!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@KingKeshane]

This movie is a Solid 6.5, Choppy, drags a lot, underdeveloped characters, heightened by the brand and few good moments.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Oh man, agree to disagree on that one!

[@High_Key]

On any given day Rogue One is my favorite Star Wars film, but it’s definitely a toss up with ROTJ. You couldn’t do fan service any better than the way fan service was done in this movie. Kristian, your Saw impression is perfect 😂

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Haha thanks!

[@philrm99]

Loving these SW movie discussions.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you! Happy you guys are enjoying them!

[@Optimus-Prime-Rib]

Tarkin was great. Wouldn’t be surprised if they revisit it and make it better

[@TheKristianHarloff]

With the Deepfake guy they have now, I am very excited.

[@Knight622ny]

47:57 "Perhaps you think you're being treated unfairly?" My all time Favorite Vader Line

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yup

[@mogg34y]

I have heard we will see coruscant in Andor. That could be interesting live action during the empire ere.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

That's great.

[@mogg34y]

@@TheKristianHarloff espionage at the height of the rebellion and empire. I'm so in !

[@noeldbz2]

one of my top 3 Star Wars

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Great one!

[@NeverLoseUrNerd]

Love this movie so much

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@LP3Customs]

omg. I also thought they could've used the Ep III Tarkin actor in this. And then I looked it up. Holy mother pucker. That was terrifying. They have close up images of him. Awful prosthetics

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I wonder how the Deepfake version will look if they do it.

[@beanscuz11]

ABSOLUTELY LOVE " Don't Choke on your aspirations"

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Hey fair enough

[@kylearking8918]

When I first saw Rogue One in theaters opening night, the sound in the last 10 minutes of the film was out of sync with the movie. That’s right. Arguably one of the best scenes in Star Wars movies, the Vader scene, was completely out of sync. We heard the lightsaber turn on after he slashed like 3 guys haha. The entire theater went into chaos with a guy in the theater banging on the projector window screaming for a refund. It definitely wasn’t the best experience. Aside from that, I enjoyed Rogue One. Personally I think The Last Jedi is the best film of the Disney era, but Rogue One is probably the most unique. To make a Star Wars film with all new characters and to kill off all of those characters by the end was a ballsy move by Disney that they don’t get enough credit for. I was really hyped for Rogue One when it came out and bought EVERY Jyn Erso toy. I wouldn’t say it exceeded my expectations, but I thought Rogue One was very good and still do today.

[@ZachBobBob]

That is devastating. Reminds me of just seeing Shang-Chi and the film was missing the blue channel of colour and half of it was in black and white. Cinema's fucking up is so upsetting

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Oh man!

[@DanielOrteez]

I always thought it was messed up that they made a Star Wars movie with its most diverse cast ever only for them at the end to well... you know.....

[@TheKristianHarloff]

They were the biggest heroes in the galaxy and they didn't need lightsabers to do it.

[@jon1970]

I would be down if the the finale of the mandalorian series would be a movie like rogue one. That would be great. This movie is underrated. After I watched this video I rewatched Rogue One again.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you!

[@lifeasafanpodcast9529]

Rogue one was honored with the rogue squadron name to me that's all it needed

[@TheKristianHarloff]

True

[@josephamato2031]

I loved rogue one. !

[@TheKristianHarloff]

SAme here!

[@Jack_Stafford]

Saw Garrera was not the first animation to live action adaptation in Star Wars. Boba Fett was.

[@ElementalPower7890]

I’m starting to think Tarkin will be in obi-wan. That’s one character I forgot about after Rogue One

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Could be!

[@ralphroshia9247]

" Are We Blind Deploy The Garrison Move " Director Krennic my favorite line is in the whole movie

[@TheKristianHarloff]

I cheered.

[@ZachBobBob]

To me the *best* Disney era Star Wars movie is still The Last Jedi so far but Rogue One is easily the most fun, accessible and just flat out entertaining. I wouldn't say its the best because the characters are all a bit bland and underdeveloped and the story is all over the place in the first two acts but the third act is some of the best Star Wars action ever. Glad you finally stopped hating on Giacchino's score too it's really great. Also I can't stand how half the people on the internet spell this movie as Rouge One xD

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Agree to disagree but can't wait for the Ep 8 discussion!

[@ZachBobBob]

@@TheKristianHarloff I was dreading it at first but now Ace is on I feel much better 😂

[@pgonzo72]

I'm enjoying the hell out of these.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you very much, we are enjoying doing them!

[@jessieurena7583]

Tbh tarkin is fine for me

[@craighofmann638]

Yes, Leia is the one that was a bit jarring...

[@TheNinjacanadian]

@@craighofmann638 Leia really seemed like last minute addition

[@craighofmann638]

@@TheNinjacanadian Possibly, it would be nice to see them update that, and perhaps some of the Tarkin complaints in a future release...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It was a good step to testing what we have today. 5 years and so much difference now!

[@Jack_Stafford]

11:40 "we know the spies aren't going to make it out", why do you say that? There was nothing in Star Wars that implied that whoever stole the plans were killed in the process. In fact it said "rebel spies have stolen the plans to the Death Star" and they cut to princess Leia's ship it is highly suggested that the spies were with her. Read the crawl carefully, it says rebel spaceships striking from a hidden base have won their first victory against the empire and during the battle rebel spies managed to steal the plans, pursued by the empire princess Leia races home aboard her starship custodian of the plans. To me that sounds like her ship was clearly at the battle, she was with the spies (if not one of the spies) and her ship was escaping the battle and being pursued by Darth Vader. She had been dealing with her for some time, he even says you weren't on any Mercy mission this time! So when he saw her ship make a run for it he know that she or someone on her ship must have the plans. It's all right there in black and yellow. Anything else is reading in a bunch of stuff that isn't there nor conceived of at the time. I think it meant exactly as I said that they were at a battle they stole the plans and she was trying to get away with them. Everything else has been retconned. In any case, no where did it say that "they didn't survive" until captured by Vader. If they had died at the Battle, I don't think it would have been referred to as a "victory" in the crawl. It would have said something more like "rebel spies bravely sacrificed their lives to get the stolen plans to Leia who now races home aboard her starship." The line about many bothans died to bring us this information is from return of the jedi, there was no similar line in Star Wars that said anything about the spies "not making it". At least until Vader got a hold of princess Leia's ship. It was all retconned (placing the former Canon from the radio adaptation, which does place Leia's ship at the Battle where the plans were transmitted to her ship) to make the movie rogue one, but other than that there is no indication from the source that the spies did not survive and weren't with Leia fleeing Darth Vader. In fact he immediately accuses her of being a spy as soon as she is captured. So it would make perfect sense to assume the spies referred to in the opening crawl referred to Leia and whoever else was with her on her ship.

[@TundraCH]

I find it a bit peculiar Kristian that you thought this film felt very star wars but not Solo. I didnt watch Solo for a long time because I felt like I wouldnt have much interest in it. I grew up with the prequels, ofc I love the original trilogy but I digress. I eventually watched Solo recently and gotta say I had a good time with it, and that one did feel very star wars to me, along with this film Rogue One.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Solo seemed like a different Sci-Fi movie, didn't have that same feel for me.

[@reshad80]

As a graphic designer for over 20 years I agree wholeheartedly about that garbage font that they used! Drives me nuts every time. The movie however is amazing!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Just seemed so weird that was what they chose.

[@_SomeGuyOnline]

I really enjoy Rogue One. Sure the characters are a bit bland, but everything else just works for me. Best film outside of the OT.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Same page.

[@OldPervertedHerbert]

I wholeheartedly believe the better version of Rogue One is sitting on a computer drive somewhere. All the rumors and speculation point to the original cut being heavily influenced by the studio. Tony Gilroy supposedly handled reshoots and the initial trailer footage shows an entirely different ending. Now I can’t watch the movie without the flow of the film feeling unnatural to me, as if scenes are completely missing in between. I also find it odd how Gareth Edwards hasn’t directed a film since.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Wonder how it all went down

[@days80sfan]

The Rogue One font is one of the worst fonts of movie titles in the history of fonts of movie titles.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It is so bizarre.

[@Binny2014]

The only Disney film where I left the theater truly thrilled at what I had just watched. Hear alot of comments about how the visuals were so beautiful in The Last Jedi, personally I think this film had some incredible shots and how the hell did it not win an Oscar for visual effects? Especially with the bold recreation of Tarkin. Going to add a super nerdy comment - the filmmakers pointed out the effort they made in matching the Ep. 4 Vader costume yet they used the AT-ST design from Ep. 6 and didn't use the one from Ep. 5. Only know the difference because of the original Kenner toy...

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Wonder if Andor will look similar.

[@Vikkadinho]

Another great review/discussion! I love this movie! Easily the best one put out under the Disney brand. I agree there was no need for "Bor Gullet". I also wasn't a fan of the choice in accent for Saw Guerra they went with. Bit like how they changed General Grievous in Revenge of the Sith compared to the animated shorts which was far more menacing. Loll, I also didn't like the crappy font for the title. The versions used in the posters are so much nicer. Having said all that the rest of the movie was brilliant. The aesthetic was authentic and overall tone to the original Star Wars was nailed on. The characters, acting and dialogue were all great. The visual effects were spot on and I really liked what they achieved with Tarkin. Out of the two, I thought Leia was the weaker attempt but still great for the time! They managed to capture a lot of emotion in this movie and that's a testament to the acting, script and the score which I really loved and grows on me even more every time I re-watch the movie! Finally, that Vader scene at the end was EVERYTHING!! It's so easy to get carried away and say I wanted to see more (which I obviously would) but it hit all the right notes in the context of this movie and was perfectly executed!

[@TheKristianHarloff]

The font was shit!

[@darthwint3823]

Rogue One best Star Wars movie under Disney banner & my 4th favourite after TESB ANH ROTJ... Has my favourite scene in all Star Wars Vader cutting down Rebel scum....

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Love this one!

[@seroccoprime2774]

That time when Star Wars briefly became a horror film at the end of Rogue One, instant modern classic. I love how the new Disney era generation is growing up seeing Vader being absolutely fucking terrifying.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Boba is straight gangster, love the new strategy!

[@OLDTIME47]

Would rather have not put mon monthma in rogue one because where'd she go in a new hope? Maybe used her in a hologram instead.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Well TBF, she could have been off doing something on side mission. Lame but true.

[@shinobi-Wan]

I love Rogue One more and more, I feel like it has the best rewatch value out of the modern Disney star wars. The tone of the movie is great, they never try to diminish the drama with random comedy like in the modern sequels. The characters are all great and they don't get in the way of the story like in the modern sequels where it feels like the actors get in the way of the characters and story they are trying to tell. It has great star wars moments without having to be just fan service. Appreciate these rewatch discussions really remind me of the old collider commentaries.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It really works for me overall

[@beanscuz11]

Best Star Wars movie to date.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It is great.

[@noHOPEof]

. memorable 2O16 Harloff Minor commentary segment -- IMWE slowly f l i p s a Stormtrooper Tomato Can( " *and he's out* " )

[@TheKristianHarloff]

:)

[@doomraven0]

Really liked Rogue One, i saw it three times in theaters, but it is also the least fun/entertaining on rewatches. Not that it is a chore to get through, to me personally, it has the least interesting characters out of the Disney films. As a big fun of Clone Wars and Rebels, it was fantastic having Saw in here (plus, geez, how great is Forest Whitaker?!) but if you don't know him, i can't see anyone liking him from this because of how ham he is. The bummer ending is cool, the warlike cinematography is great, and i still think the Tarkin CG holds up well today, though Leia looks terrible. This is, imo, because ILM just really isn't all that great. Weta is easily the best effects company out there and i wish ILM could measure up. When you compare even Gollum from 2002 to Rogue One, it's a clear winner. But i digress. Very well made film but it is lacking a real soul to me.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

See that is how I feel about TLJ, feels like work to watch. This one gets more fun per watch for me.

[@ryangettig274]

Tony Gilroy is an amazing talent:)Anyone reading this who hasn't seen Michael Clayton,please see it & Beirut:) Great Luck for your sets Mr. Harloff&Happy Landings In Your Home State:)

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Thank you Ryan!

[@alexmaverick6647]

Top 5 best Star Wars characters: 1. Bor Gullet 2-5: Who cares?

[@TheKristianHarloff]

HAHAHAHA

[@jesseurena5153]

Rouge one is top 5 easily, arguably top 3

[@TheKristianHarloff]

It gets better every time!

[@dustyw8771]

ben mendelsohn is a good guy in the MCU an I buy it, but maybe it's because he got the alien makeup on

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah he is skilled enough to do it but he typically plays bad guys.

[@loosenukes8153]

The last 1/3 of Rogue One is great. The Darth Vader Scene is amazing. Otherwise the movie drags...That being said I liked it better than TROS and Solo.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

When was last time you watched? Just curious.

[@loosenukes8153]

@@TheKristianHarloff I hadn't seen it since theaters in 2016. I watched it again last night after posting this. I take back the "it drags" statement. It was pretty steady. But there are still jarring moments that take me out of the movie like randomly meeting the 2 bullies from the Cantina. And I really don't like the score. Still, I think it's a solid 7/10 movie.

[@davidgeldner2167]

Mendelssohn plays a good guy in *spoiler* The MCU he’s Talos who is in fact good.

[@CinematicGalaxy]

I'm glad Kristian's opinion on Rogue One has gradually improved. It's by far the best Star Wars film since Disney acquired it imho, and is my 2nd favorite following Empire. Loved that you talked about the interesting aspects of the film besides the Vader hallway scene. I'm also not a fan of Last Jedi, but I'm interested in the talk when it happens! Glad that people with different opinions will be able to have a hopefully civil discussion about it with each other.

[@TheKristianHarloff]

Yeah that is the point of this show. Fun discussion. We don't have to agree with each other but it also is to show, you don't have to be mean to show the difference of opinion.

[@CinematicGalaxy]

@@TheKristianHarloff Very true! I've pretty frustrated with both "sides" of the Star Wars fandoms that arose after Last Jedi and how they conducted themselves (with exceptions of course). It feels, as you said, like US politics. Glad this show is different! :-)