The Russian Orthodox Priest Preaching For War

Andrei Tkachev has become known for fiery sermons in which he says death in war is the best way to go. He's just one of many pro-war Russian Orthodox priests in a church that, according to one senior former member, has lost its way.
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[@user-zc9pq1bz6n]

He actually said this: “Everyone talks about their own banal understanding of peace, without naming the main reasons for the war: there will be no peace for the sodomites, there will be no peace for those who kill children, there will be no peace for those who change their gender, there will be no peace for thieves and those who do wicked things, and for those who have stopped praying and are immersed in sin up to their nostrils - there will be no peace for them, ever. All the patriarchs, all priests and bishops should proclaim this. “We need," the archpriest concluded, "to start a serious conversation about peace, about the genesis of war, about the genesis of sin, about the inner connection between sin and war, about the deep godlessness of modern civilizations and the fact that, for humanity, all this will inevitably result in bloodshed. This is simply God's Law.”

[@worldtv5848]

uhuc

[@dafunkester]

Send him to the front line, their short of sandbags.

[@briannewton3535]

I'm sure his god will look after him and keep him safe... if a god exists of course.

[@csmeinert]

Unfortunately a windbag won't stop a bullet like a sandbag would!😆

[@briannewton3535]

@@csmeinert 😂 Nice one.

[@salamander4668]

There is a lot of priests on the frontline. Also, he is correct about everything.

[@michaelmatwijiw3045]

They forget that even they too will have to stand in front of St Peter

[@bjelinski1]

they don't forget, they just don't ... believe.

[@briannewton3535]

What makes you think that St Peter won't welcome him in for following Gods genocidal commands? God is big on genocide. Look at Jericho, and the Amalekites, and the Midianites. Before that there was the genocide of the entire earth. This god may be a bit conflicted though, getting prayed to by both the Russians and the Ukrainians alike. Which does he side with? Though god struggles against armies who have iron chariots, so maybe he is totally impotent in this war?

[@Reno_Slim]

You sound as delusional as they are.

[@sarac.3259]

I was thinking precisely that, Michael.

[@edr9871]

@@briannewton3535 God is a King and a Judge and give what belongs to Him to who He chooses and sentence to death any criminall .And this is just one of the sins of that nation that jews learn to do latter.Jeremiah 32:35 [35]And they built the high places of Baal which are in the Valley of the Son of Hinnom, to cause their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire to Molech, which I did not command them, nor did it come into My mind that they should do this abomination, to cause Judah to sin.’

[@jansenart0]

This is what you get when your clergy are members of your secret police.

[@adriaanvelthoven3024]

These guys are real crooks…..

[@ridethecurve55]

They live like grifting Kings in unfathomable luxury. It's just sickening.

[@immortaltyger1569]

The priest needs to be sent to the frontline in Ukraine, first row, so he can administer to the spiritual needs of Russian soldiers there.

[@roberthoyt7921]

He will instead be defrocked and then face trial in Den Haag.

[@isotropisch82]

"What would Jesus do?"....I'm no Bible scholar, but I'm pretty sure it isn't this.

[@briannewton3535]

Well, Yahweh, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are one yes? So what would Yahweh do? Absolutely this slaughter and genocide, it is right up the alley of the biblical god.

[@isotropisch82]

@@briannewton3535 Sort of, but Jesus was kind of woke resetting of boomer Yahweh

[@briannewton3535]

@@isotropisch82 Hehe, Yeah, but a leopard never changes its spots, so they say 🙄🤭

[@Hiluxtaco]

This is what Jesus said! John 13: 31-35 (QUOTE) The New Commandment 31 So, when he had gone out, Jesus said, “Now the Son of Man is glorified, and God is glorified in Him. 32 If God is glorified in Him, God will also glorify Him in Himself, and glorify Him immediately. 33 Little children, I shall be with you a little while longer. You will seek Me; and as I said to the Jews, ‘Where I am going, you cannot come,’ so now I say to you. 34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

[@briannewton3535]

@@Hiluxtaco And why should one seriously consider what is written in the storybook called the bible?

[@RTmadnesstoo]

Is that a common problem in Ruzzia? Eating and Drinking until they pass out under the table? I like the commercialism, 'If you forgot your Cross buy one by the door'.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Unfortunately, it is a common problem, not so much the food but the alcohol.

[@coffeecake8098]

Is this a brother of Al Baghdadi, former leader of IS?

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire.

[@briannewton3535]

Oooh, I like that one, kinda on the theme of this: "With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion." [Steven Weinberg]

[@donkoh5738]

@ Brian N -- nice one, but actually containing a logical flaw (or two) ... i.e., It's not a necessary condition at all. Yes, even self-proclaiming religious persons (of religion x, y, z...) , who can normally live life good - for the most part - can also sadly commit evil and sinful acts. Just as those who are non-religious (those proclaiming to deny God, or not practice, or just being agnostic) , can equally or probably even more so, act out in such evil, terrible acts.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

@@donkoh5738 It isn't necessarily about religion, your flaw.

[@donkoh5738]

@ Hoo Smo Ca ... the comment to which I was responding was clearly attempting to make a logical argument that 'it takes *religion* ' for so-called *'good people'* to commit evil / wrong acts . Which of course is the logical flaw you were looking for ✌ edit: please propose your own personal logical argument how to describe violent / aggressive / wrong acts in general ? Thanks

[@briannewton3535]

@@donkoh5738 You talk of "i.e., It's not a necessary condition at all." I agree, it's "It's not a necessary condition at all" Feel free to take apart the voltaire quote also.

[@mark-ib7sz]

This guy will get a automatic trip to hell.

[@ridethecurve55]

And he will receive a 'Special' place in hell for his un-Christian blasphemy.

[@carolinebjerkelund767]

No he won't. He is following the bible.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

@@carolinebjerkelund767 In which case nothing at all will happen as fiction doesn't affect reality.

[@carolinebjerkelund767]

@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar Yep

[@briannewton3535]

Why a trip to hell? This kind of slaughter is right up gods alley. Jericho, the Amalekites, the Midianites, and don't forget the genocide of virtually all women, children and babies on the planet through drowning, oh and all the men and animals too.

[@maineusaMax]

He may think he's a priest, but no holy person prays for war.

[@briannewton3535]

I didn't hear him pray for war, though how to pray whilst undertaking military action.

[@Zomby_Woof]

War is one of the holiest undertakings. The Bible tells many tales werenthe Christian God commands war and genocide for trivial slights. Because the God myth was built in man's image. That's why he is portrayed as a petulant child with the morals of an alley cat.

[@ytuser13082011]

this clearly demonstrates that there are really no "holy" people. We are all flawed and following religions is just not wise. Morals and ethics are separate to religions and religions did not invent them ...

[@argh100100]

What are you talking about? Christian priests have been fighting in wars for centuries. The pope openly called for war multiple times and threatened with it as well.

[@briannewton3535]

@@argh100100 Indeed. I find it both sad and arrogantly ignorant of so many Christians, when they bang on about Christian values, thinking they are a good thing, not realising that Christian values are based on torture, murder and slaughter in so many cases. Folk who weren't Christian, tortured until they were, or killed. Those who didn't do Christianity the right way (not a true Christian), tortured, and if they didn't want to do Christianity the right way, killed. The crusades and the Spanish inquisition killed millions, Some say millions died in just the Spanish Inquisition. You are dead right on popes calling for war. On November 27, 1095, Pope Urban II makes perhaps the most influential speech of the Middle Ages, giving rise to the Crusades by calling all Christians in Europe to war against Muslims in order to reclaim the Holy Land, with a cry of “Deus vult!” or “God wills it!” Ignorant effing Christians. Why the hell can't they take a little time to learn about their religion, before they try and preach it, getting it all effing arse about face!

[@BlingBlingBandido]

What can u expect when the head of the church is ex KGB and a buddy of Putin, lol

[@SmedleyDouwright]

Russian Orthodox "crusade"?

[@thomaswayneward]

No this is not a crusade. The R church is wrong, but it is no crusade. The Crusades were done to recover lands stolen from Christians by saracens.

[@stacey_1111rh]

Yup repeating history like the 2nd failed crusade no one talks about

[@orthoodoxchristianfirst2964]

Eastern Rite Putinist jihad

[@ytuser13082011]

This is great - I think he should be sent to frontline. He will be great soldier with that amount of courage and acquired wisdom. Russia will recruit everyone eventually, when majority turns into fertilizer and there is not much to pick from. Orthodox priest is a great material for orthodox war! Let him demonstrate his bravery and engagement.

[@user-bl6uo8hr6b]

Debil

[@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE]

Russia's population is 3 times larger than Ukraine. You are delusional. It is Ukraine that is scraping the barrel, not Russia.

[@mike4480]

Slava Ukraine………….💙💛💙

[@boballende]

To attack the king was treason -- to dispute the priest was blasphemy. The sword and cross were allies. They defended each other. The throne and altar were twins -- vultures from the same egg. - These robbers and beggars controlled two worlds. The king made laws, the priest made creeds. With bowed backs the people received the burdens of the one, and with wonder's open mouth the dogmas of the other. If any aspired to be free they were crushed by the king, and every priest was a Herod who slaughtered the children of the brain. The king ruled by force, the priest by fear, and both by both. - The king said to the people: "God made you peasants, and he made me king. He made rags and hovels for you, robes and palaces for me. Such is the justice of God." And the priest said: "God made you ignorant and vile. He made me holy and wise. If you do not obey me, God will punish you here and torment you hereafter. Such is the mercy of God." - ~ The Great Infidels - Robert Green Ingersoll

[@evangelicalsnever-lie9792]

👍

[@MrJdsenior]

Often true, but not in some cases they weren't. There were times when the kings in Europe were nothing but vassals to the Church. They told Henry VIII that he couldn't divorce his wife (ultimately wives, actually) so he just told them to go screw themselves and made his own religion. If I had existed at the time I would have laughed. Obviously HE didn't take their excommunication BS too seriously. :-) IMO that is pretty much the way the church should be handled EVERY time it tries to assert authority given to it by itself. Sometimes govts need to be handled that way, too...which in one case brings us back to another king, and involved tea and taxes. If you look at some of the books that were excluded from the bible, like the book of Thomas, it's pretty funny. Thomas basically said that your beliefs were internal and really didn't require the church to manage them for you. I can pretty much guarantee you that book got thrown out the front door so quickly and at such a rate of speed that it caught on fire from the air friction it was exposed to...figuratively, anyway. A whole new concept in the idea of book burning. Hey, the church burns books, the Nazis burn books, Xi burns books, Putin burns books, etc. What does that tell you? They also have a lot of commonality in destroying or killing those that don't knuckle under. Hmmm. And look how ungodly (couldn't resist) RICH and corrupt the church is, and how RICH and corrupt those dictators are! Hell, one of the churches even gave us sheltered pedophiles, and then provided them a never ending supply of kids to destroy, and cover and transfers if they got found out. That was, IMO, because of their brilliant tenant of not allowing priests to marry, which was another of those edicts that really didn't come from the bible, unless you look at one particularly misogynistic disciple and stretch it a bit. They didn't stretch him, though, they hung him upside down, and in that case it was the Romans, not the church. The Romans were very creative in their cruelty, as well. I mean good grief, they hung them up to die, fed them to lions in front of roaring crowds, etc. They took their torturing people to death to the level of art, and called some of them 'games', but probably not in English. I mean that artistic part literally, the Coliseum is really something to behold. He (Peter) must have been the life of the party, too, because Jesus called him a rock. And he was hell on ears, but it ended well, it got spiritually glued back in place, no suturing necessary. Ears, eyes, water into wine, walking on water, RISING FROM THE DEAD, and lemming pigs, you name it. He could even cure things we can now readily cure, and know the causes of, by driving out 'demons'. I mean WOWSA! Are we having fun yet?

[@arnavsamaddar6638]

Russian priest is right , its time to war against USA and NATO . you yanks will be nuked by GOD

[@bigdada018]

Blessings, peace and luck from California to Ukraine 🙏🙏✌🍀💙💛

[@imaginemetoo]

FAITH THAT GOOD MEN WILL WIN 💙💛 SLAVA UKRAINI HEROES DEFENDERS OF FREEDOM 🇺🇦

[@chrismuzzey7557]

History, yet again, repeats itself. We have not come too far from the days of the Roman Emperor Constantine have we?

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Historically, Moscow and it's Patriarch have seen themselves as 'the third Rome,' so you're not that far off the mark.

[@chrismuzzey7557]

@@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar That's very interesting. I did not know that.

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

@@chrismuzzey7557 🙂

[@user-dv7hq2rh4g]

Sicko

[@pecheur1951]

Let's all pray and hope his employer calls him to him soon 😂

[@phillee2814]

What, back to the main branch of the FSB?

[@pecheur1951]

@@phillee2814 I meant the grim Reaper actually 😏

[@TheJimprez]

Putin?

[@TheJimprez]

​@@pecheur1951 The Grimm reaper isn't evil, he just has a job to do. I was thinking Satan. Like a LOT of Republicans in the USA calling themselves Christian then acting racist and bigoted, SAYING it is a lot easier than LIVING it.

[@marciatucker5171]

That archpriest needs to go to the front now... fast track to "paradise" for him! Why isn't he packing?

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Do as I say, not as I do.

[@Kat69nh]

Sick!! Priest should NEVER GET INTO POLITICAL STUFF.

[@briannewton3535]

Why not? We look at the biblical god, He may have instructed the genocide happening in Ukraine. We look at the genocide in Jericho under The Lord's instruction, then there was the genocide of the Amalekites, the biblical god instructed the slaughter of all living things there. We then look at the Midianites, where all were slaughtered bar the virgin girls. God wanted the girls to captured and be kept as sex slaves. The best genocide was drowning pregnant women, babies and children, along with men and animals of course. God is a genocidal monster, and was big into battles and slaughtering people in a genocidal way. I guess god moves in mysterious political ways huh?

[@The-Real-Ando]

And when has that ever been a thing? The church and politics have been entwined since the day dot.

[@HubertofLiege]

Russian orthodoxy has not been the same since 1927

[@DarkKnight-yz2wg]

I am sure that it’s well known that Russian Orthodox Church has been co opted by SVR.

[@phillee2814]

It was banned, along with all other religions, in the USSR originally, but then the KGB realised it could be useful, so it was reconstituted as a spying and propaganda network.

[@csmeinert]

To hear the Patriarch you'd think that only Russia fought in WW2. He conveniently forgets that it was American and British goods, vehicles, aircraft and weapons that kept them going and armed its military and that these were delivered at the cost of hundreds of British, commonwealth and American sailors lives!

[@noregrets1855]

Russia is like North Korea, they have no problem rewriting history while excluding others out, making themselves look like the strong ones. He'll, we're witnessing it in real time. Russia is literally taking facts of what's actually occurring in Ukraine, twist it all up while showing the propaganda forces fighting against nothing way back towards Russia's borders, them claim they're pushing Ukrainian forces out of certain areas.

[@joelgaas858]

True! It was the allied forces.....not just russia alone! He is a priest but a lier!

[@anhellon]

Without Land lease soviets loose war in one year...

[@redshanksbolshevikempire]

No Soviets made their own weapons AK-47

[@dancahill9585]

When you hear Russians talk about WW2, you also hear them conveniently forget that they were allied with Germany at the start of the war, and when Germany was attacking France and Britain, Russia was sending Germany Coal, Oil, metals, food, etc. in fairly massive amounts. You can google Nazi-Soviet 1940 Commercial Agreement if you want all the details.

[@kitpesec1536]

One of so called “good russians”: all beasts are the same

[@mcgregor6274]

Nobody yearns more for the warm embrace of a brutal dictator than a religious zealot.

[@briannewton3535]

Dang, I may need to steal that quote 😅

[@mcgregor6274]

@@briannewton3535 absolutely.

[@orthoodoxchristianfirst2964]

…or a Nazi…or a Bolshevik…or a Republican

[@crushingvanessa3277]

Yet people still blindly follow what any church says.

[@briannewton3535]

Adults present wishes to magical sky wizards for which there is no credible evidence. Children present wishes to Santa for which there is no credible evidence. Though on this front, they do get presents.

[@MrJdsenior]

@@briannewton3535 Sky lizards? They sort of had those at one time, if you stretch it a bit. Funny comment, I enjoyed it. :-) And it isn't just that there is no credible evidence, it is that there is no evidence whatsoever. Kind of makes me wonder why the same sort of idea existed in virtually every isolated culture in the world. Some need to try to make sense of something that in no way needs to make sense, I guess, meaning reality/existence/call it what you will. The more I see of leading edge advances in physics, astronomy, etc., the more I call it down right weird. I can explain part of it though, I think. If you look at how much of the universe is truly SOMETHING, meaning not 'empty' space, including taking that down into molecular and atomic structure, mathematically, there more or less ISN'T anything here. How's THAT for an explanation? That was fun. See what happens when you make comments?

[@briannewton3535]

@@MrJdsenior Thanks, and I do like the idea of sky lizards, hehe. As for "And it isn't just that there is no credible evidence, it is that there is no evidence whatsoever." This isn't actually true. A Christian saying that they know Jesus is their god because it says so in a bronze age book, does have evidence. What we need to do is assess that evidence and find if it is good or bad evidence. Okay yes, it is bad evidence, though it does actually classify as evidence, which is why I always clarify as having 'credible' or 'good' evidence. All we need to do is see some evidence presented in courts, boy often that evidence is often so bad, yet, it is still evidence. I have deffo been having a lot of fun in the comments in these threads on this video.

[@21boxhead]

BUT IT'S TRUE RUSSIANS FIGHTING HOMOS AND NOTZEES

[@Zomby_Woof]

Sheep do. People do not.

[@socomply5963]

Man they’re just like us thinking that we single-handedly saved WWII🤣🤣🤣. Russia would have buckled under the pressure of the Germans if we didn’t give them the land lease

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

And Anzio and D-Day would probably have never have happened had it not been for the fighting on the Eastern Front. I also suspect that lend-lease shortened the war rather won it.

[@MrJdsenior]

Forget just the lend lease. There was but a small portion of the German army committed in Russia, and the problems that the Germans were experiencing elsewhere caused the German thrust into Russia HUMONGOUS difficulty. As it was, that portion of the German army had just about conquered Moscow, and by just about I mean it's outcome was balanced on a pin. They were within 16 miles of the Kremlin, which was the capital then as well, VERY deep into Russia, and was looking like it might take the entire country. The Russians would have been absolutely OBLITERATED had the Nazis been able to array their entire military machine against them, or even a bit more of it, and that is not conjecture, that is fact. Russians are fools. They rewrite history to make themselves out the saviors of the world, and then do the same stupid crap time after time, learning NOTHING. Right now Stalin is being rewritten as the very model of a leader and all around folksy, loving guy. Go look at how many Russians he BRUTALLY slayed, and the fact that he was HATED by the Russians for many decades after that. They also think they are fighting NATO, so there's that. If they really believe that and it ever happens, they are in for one hell of a shock!

[@stacey_1111rh]

🤫

[@philbamford6957]

Why doesn’t he get his self to the front line then.

[@ToughMaybe]

Andrei Tkachev is actually from Lviv, western Ukraine. If he moved to Russia, it doesn't mean he is from Russia. He is Ukrainian.

[@IloSoul]

Он этнический россиянин, вернулся на свою историческую родину.

[@JesusChristKing]

“Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.” - Matthew 26:52

[@woohooo7634]

He’s actually Ukrainian from Lviv. And he is for Rus to be United and he is against LGBT and against Trans movement. Yes he’s explaining the war and he knows the exact reasons for it.

[@PUARockstar]

He's a traitor alright. Rus isn't russia. He was in the same chuch as me, us, but he couldn't be more wrong both politically and theologically.

[@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE]

​@PUARockstar Rus is not Russia. We all know it's Ruskraine.

[@PUARockstar]

@@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE and that you're a failure in sarcasm and humour departments

[@RESTITVTOR_TOTIVS_HISPANIAE]

@@PUARockstar maybe not...what about Novorossiya?

[@kosh2001]

He needs to change his profession to a war blogger

[@joelgaas858]

Is that the teaching of saint peter russian orthodox?

[@622PSS]

PETIN with his RASPUTINs

[@corazonagoncillo2699]

How sad that men who are supposedly to be men of ,in,for and with God in faith,hope,love and service for the good of other people have a polluted paradigm of religion.

[@jojosurprise7696]

The German Priests preached the same in WW2. Many left the church after Germany lost.

[@larstueschjth2658]

💛💙🇺🇦💙💛 S L A V A U K R A I N I 💛💙🇺🇦💙💛

[@kyreasser]

He is not in okay condition.

[@occamraiser]

I was listening to a Vlad Vexler youtube video the other day and he was saying (very matter-of-factly) that the Russian Orthodox church is basically a Kremlin department. And we DO know that its leader was indeed a senior KGB(FSB) man originally.

[@dancahill9585]

I don't think that there is any question that it is true. Under the Soviets, the KGB thoroughly infiltrated the ROC, and even back to the Czarist days, it was subordinate to the state.

[@harrietharlow9929]

@@dancahill9585 And it still is. Just the FSB rather than the KGB

[@donkoh5738]

Very sadly... ideologically extreme corrupted and skewed, Anti-Christ words. Of course this guy was cheaply also holding what appears to represent a Cross, yet with a very hypocritical agenda. God bless us all

[@hexa1905]

Speadind death by war is part of religions business.

[@martinarijsbergen4270]

Sick minds creates sick outcomes!

[@briannewton3535]

Indeed. I feel also feel that the bible feeds into the creation of a sick mind. When one puts a racist,bigoted, misogynistic, genocidal monster who advocated for owning people as property as an acceptable supernatural role model from whom morals are worthy to come from really sets someone up to having a sic mind to produce sick outcomes as we see here. If someone wants a supernatural role model, Satan is significantly less slaughterous than the biblical god *Kill rate in the bible* God - 2,038,344 Satan - 10 God's kill count is 227,037% higher than Satan's.

[@barryoverson4988]

is that gold colored paint or polished brass or are the priest praying from golden alters in golden temples they seem to be worshiping gold more than god but maybe its just me thinking that the church is rich while the people are serfs

[@uzuz3003]

i think those russian ''priests'' will burn in hell.

[@fyou4641]

traitor priest needs to go

[@DrocanisSun]

I wonder if the Russian Orthodox clergy would actually be Christian and take a stance of not only blessing Russian soldiers but tell them do not torture or rape... and if they do hanous crime, YOU ARE NOT BLESSED. They so far have done nothing!

[@briannewton3535]

What? Christianity is built on racism, bigotry, misogyny, slavery, and genocide. God simply loves the genocide of an entire race of people, and happy to kill all, but keep the young virgin girls of their slaughtered parents to be taken for sex slaves.

[@eprofessio]

Wearing a priest costume doesn’t not anoint the words of a clown.

[@heknowsall7778]

Are these so called priests relatives of Rasputin?

[@santiagodelpilar6701]

Based

[@thecicimak9063]

Reminded me of Serbian orthodox priests in 1991 war in Croatia..different time,but same m.o.

[@alexanderjdivic4784]

😭

[@manishadey4098]

Sent him to the front line at Bakhmuth

[@briannewton3535]

Talking the talk, and walking the walk are two wholly or is that Holy? different things.

[@pdd60absorbed12]

Strange, Ezekiel says, And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog, and say, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech, and Tubal; get the I AM AGAINST YOU Mr. Priest

[@orthoodoxchristianfirst2964]

This priest puts the inanity in Eastern Rite Putinanity, a thing that used to be called Russian Orthodoxy.

[@johnhopkins6260]

Time to send him to meet his maker, for a little chat ("I don't judge them, that is for God... I just set up the appointments"); Likewise, for his minions... Need to die for your Motherland? Glad to oblige. (Your job is not to die for your country, but to make that other sorry s.o.b. die for his" - " Patton")

[@markhackney138]

"Thou shalt not kill" is actually a mistranslation of the Hebrew, "You shall not murder". The two statements are not synonymous, yet many people in the world still use archaic biblical translations, with unfortunate bioethical consequences. Not all killing is sin. There is also such a thing as a 'just war'. According to Just War Doctrine, the reason for war should be to protect innocent life from danger. For example, if genocide is occurring in a country, war is justified as it aids the victims. In essence, the cause of war must be in self-defense or other's defense to be ethical.

[@Joe90V]

It was Russia that helped start WW2 [in conjunction with the fascist plague]. They seem to have forgotten that part - when they invaded Poland.

[@esmenhamaire6398]

- and before even that, when they helped the German armed forces in the 1930's test new equipment in secret at a base in Russia. Not that Stalin was any better than Hitler, mind, as those killed in Katyn forest bear witness to.

[@redshanksbolshevikempire]

​@@esmenhamaire6398 oh look is this the new Western propaganda

[@roselevy6182]

I guess he speaks like this so he doesn’t fall out of a window. No man of god would be for murder. Sick may he meet his master soon.

[@toddcolburn4505]

Put um all to sleep!

[@georgeswanson9483]

Gott Mit Uns.

[@briannewton3535]

And Hitler was a Catholic, funny that Huh?

[@richardf9137]

Pomp and circumstance!

[@alongcamejones309]

Give these blokes a fancy dress and they will say anything 😂

[@briannewton3535]

🤣 Nice one. and I'm sure most of the hats double as a tea cosy, or to pop over a child head so they don't see whats actually going on...

[@alongcamejones309]

@@briannewton3535 😆😂

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

Doesn't his own fairytale book say "They shall beat swords into ploughshares"?

[@TheHookahSmokingCaterpillar]

Oh come on, when has any Christian ever let anything in the Bible stop them from doing exactly what they want to do????

[@briannewton3535]

Yeah, and it also says that god struggles to win battles against armies who have iron chariots. God is pro-genocide, so there is a good chance he is supporting the Russians.

[@MyAssReeks]

Disturbing!

[@buckybarns5984]

For shame upon these wolves who disguise themselves as shepherds

[@hoanglannguyen5871]

Has he been kicked out of Ukraine?

[@MrPetermc199]

No place for him in heaven

[@briannewton3535]

Why not? The biblical god is a genocidal monster who commands war and slaughter. he seems perfectly aligned with the biblical god.

[@gherkamum]

Finland has now joined Nato & Sweden is joining NATO soon and Millions of professional soldiers from 37 NATO/Friends countries They wanted to join because of Putin aggression to small democratic countries

[@harczymarczy]

Things like this would never happen in Western Christianity, such priests would get excommunicated in no time. This is exactly like what ISIS is doing. I have never thought that the Russian Orthodox Church would do such abysmal things in my whole life...

[@briannewton3535]

Western Christianity? Is the Pope Western or not? Could a Pope get excommunicated? On November 27, 1095, Pope Urban II makes perhaps the most influential speech of the Middle Ages, giving rise to the Crusades by calling all Christians in Europe to war against Muslims in order to reclaim the Holy Land, with a cry of “Deus vult!” or “God wills it!”

[@Cavecanem2050]

No the Western Church has evolved from killing millions and spreading hate including justifying racial hatred, it has moved on from burning witches and killing off millions of indigenous peoples, it has evolved into abusing little boys and debating whether is politically correct to address God as a male! Where was your Pope when Croatian Catholics slaughtered one million Orthodox Serbs just barely 80 years ago? Your lot believe me, are not better then the other lot!

[@gregwojtek5598]

in western christianity, you have gay marriage and satan worship instead.

[@manishadey4098]

Why he have not joined the military yet

[@judyweeks1480]

He had better pray for the Lord's mercy. Sicko!

[@briannewton3535]

The particular god that he worships, simply loves war and battles, instructs slaughter, and undertakes genocide himself. Why does this bloke need to "... pray for the Lord's mercy."? I'm thinking The Lord is loving this war. I dunno if this god is conflicted though as he will be supporting the Russians and smiting the Ukrainians, yet at the same time supporting the Ukrainians and smiting the Russians also, I guess he needs to do this to be fair to both sides, as both sides worship the same god. What a tricky situation for an all powerful and all knowing supernatural being to be in.

[@roberthoyt7921]

He ought to be excommunicated outright

[@briannewton3535]

Why?

[@LR-jk2jk]

Yet another example of sick Russia.

[@briannewton3535]

Really Why? Just because some Orthodox Christians promote and supports other Christians to be going off to kill those in a neighbouring nation? Christians were doing this in accounts in the bible, did it through the crusades, then with the Spanish inquisition, amongst other conflicts. This is the Christian way of becoming a dominant religion and power.

[@SnoopyDoofie]

No problem. Just keep sending your soldiers Russia, and Ukraine will keep sending them to their Saviour.

[@andrewherman5010]

why not He doesn't have to go

[@reinokarvinen8845]

greek and ukrainian orthodox are ok. like in finland greek orthodox don't preach murder but russian do

[@briannewton3535]

The thing I like about Christians is that they point at other Christians complaining that they are the wrong kind of Christian, or that they are not 'true Christians' like themselves. I think with regard to murder, I don't know if we need to just consider what is preached by a specific denominations of the orthodox version of Christianity per se, maybe just reference what is in the bible. and see who is the one who instructs murder after preaching it. This god requires ALL the Amalekites slaughtered, including the babies and children: "so listen now to the message from the Lord. This is what the Lord Almighty says:".... "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” 1 Samuel 15 [NIV] Similar situation at Jericho: "Then the Lord said to Joshua, “See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men."... "Shout! For the Lord has given you the city!"... "They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it-men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." ... "Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the Lord’s house." Joshua 6 [NIV] This same god told Moses to go and slaughter the Midianites: The Lord said to Moses, “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.” ..."the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man." ... "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31 [NIV] The young virgin girls weren't killed they were simply taken and kept as sex slaves which is classed as genocide.

[@Pedo_phile_Muhammad]

I wonder if teachings of Satan would be any different?

[@wumbleisthebest3270]

Once again, religion is weaponised. Thou shalt not kill.

[@briannewton3535]

You say religion is weaponised, I would suggest that religion is the weapon, or the driving force to kill as has been the way from before biblical days, through the biblical days, and continuing through the days of the crusades and to present day. Lets take a look at the 'the good book', and see if the biblical god stood by the "Thou shalt not kill." bit you and others feel is a core tenet within the bible. Or does the biblical god instead set up and present adversaries for religious leaders to attack and slaughter. "Then the Lord said to Joshua, “See, I have delivered Jericho into your hands, along with its king and its fighting men."... "Shout! For the Lord has given you the city!"... "They devoted the city to the Lord and destroyed with the sword every living thing in it-men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys." ... "Then they burned the whole city and everything in it, but they put the silver and gold and the articles of bronze and iron into the treasury of the Lord’s house." Joshua 6 [NIV] This same god told Moses to go and slaughter the Midianites: _The Lord said to Moses, “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people.” ..."the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man." ... "Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."_ Numbers 31 [NIV] The young virgin girls weren't killed they were simply taken and kept as sex slaves which is classed as genocide. This god also requires ALL the Amalekites slaughtered, including the babies and children: "so listen now to the message from the Lord. This is what the Lord Almighty says:".... "Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” 1 Samuel 15 [NIV] Now tell me if your god stands by the commandment that you presented? With regard to not killing, the better biblical guy in the bible is Satan *Kill count in the bible:* God - 2,038,344 Satan - 10 So many think Satan is a bad guy doing bad things, yet in reality Satan was simply an adversary to the biblical god. The Hebrew term śāṭān (Hebrew: שָׂטָן) is a generic noun meaning "accuser" or "adversary", and is derived from a verb meaning primarily "to obstruct, oppose". When we see the slaughter undertaken at gods hand or word, and compare this to the achievements of Satan, Satan is the good guy in the storybook we call the bible. How about we jump forward about a thousand years. In 1095, Pope Urban II proclaimed the first expedition at the Council of Clermont. He called for an armed pilgrimage to Jerusalem, that was the first of several Christian crusades. Millions were slaughtered on the Crusades. Was the religion of Christianity weaponised by this pope, or did this pope talk with the biblical god to kick off the first of the crusades to slaughter millions in the name of Christianity? We then see the Christians kick off Spanish inquisition in 1428, This wasn't religion being weaponised, this was simply a religion against other religions, It would would be comical if it were not for the fact that some historians suggest the numbers killed until 1834 was into the millions, simply because a bunch of Christians who worshiped the Abrahamic god, wanted to kill a bunch of Jews and Muslims who ostensibly worship the same god. You say *"Once again, religion is weaponised. Thou shalt not kill."* I think you may wish to rethink that thought

[@wumbleisthebest3270]

@@briannewton3535 To me, people who commit these things in the name of the bible are not christian. The bible is often misunderstood, as most people just take it literally. For example, "An eye for an eye" is falsely interpreted. The following lines go something like "That's what the elderly told us. I instead tell you..." (im not a native speaker, it might be different in English). I believe in a God of mercy, loving each other, even your worst enemy, treat people the way you want to be treated. These things still hold great importance. Maybe im cherrypicking, but there are tolerant and open-minded christians out there who want peace.

[@briannewton3535]

@@wumbleisthebest3270 Ahh, you say "To me, people who commit these things in the name of the bible are not christian." This is the "true Christian response" The no true scotsman fallacy does get trotted out with great regularity in the Christian community. I do find it a little amusing when we see Christians pointing at other Christians saying they are not Christian. This happens with great regularity. "I am a true Christian, those Christians doing or believing different things are not Christians". When one can cherry pick from the bible to select content that aligns with ones own desire of what they require Christianity to be for them, will be comforting I guess, though doesn't make it true, though it does make it the greatest Pick'n Mix religion out there. I think it has well over a thousand denominations now, each one pointing at other denominations saying that they are not the right kind of Christian. I guess this is because each denomination will say *_"The bible is often misunderstood, as most people just take it literally."_* So each denomination will _'interpret'_ the bible to get it to say what they require it to say. This *"God of mercy, loving each other, even your worst enemy, treat people the way you want to be treated. "* Is certainly not the biblical god, so it appears that you have invented a version of a god that suits your narrative. Yes, you are cherry picking, though when we see the Muslims Jews and the Christians worshiping was is essentially the same god, and pointing at each other saying they are not following the 'one true god' it does get quite comical to be fair. Especially when we look at the Christians who worship three, yet somehow worship just one, though not the one the other two religions worship. The biblical god is a bit rubbish really, as if it is incapable of making itself known to it's creations, with only a quarter of the people it created believing it is the true god, and then You say "For example, 'An eye for an eye' is falsely interpreted. Umm, no, this is simply one of many contradictory verses in the bible There are dozens if not hundreds of contradictory things written in the bible. In Deuteronomy 19:21 has "Life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot." Biblical scholars have cited that chapter as an ancient guideline for even-handed justice. Though when one looks at justice and punishments throughout the bible it really is all over the place. The biblical god is fine to have its adherents owning people as permanent property for example, You have chosen to "... believe in a God of mercy, loving each other, even your worst enemy, treat people the way you want to be treated." Yet the biblical god allows those who have purchased a person to be a slave to beat them almost to death with impunity. I ask you Is this... i ) a _God of mercy_? ii) a god suggesting we should be _loving each other_ or beating each other almost to death? iii) a god that puts a permanently purchased slave below the status of _ones own worst enemy?_ iv) a god suggesting that it's adherents _treat people the way you want to be treated,_ so suggesting that people would want to be beaten almost to death? You definitely have dreamed up a god that is certainly not the biblical god. I'm so glad that I don't get my morals from the biblical god, as mine are so much better than that of a racist, bigoted, misogynistic and genocidal monster. When I look at Christians getting their morals from the biblical god, the Russian priests shown in this clip are so much like the biblical god that gave them their morals. I would agree with you when you say "... there are tolerant and _open-minded_ christians out there who want peace." When one is _open minded_ enough to let rational thought and critical thinking fall out of ones _open mind_ with regard to simply imagining what they want their god to be, and ignore biblical content, that is very open minded. I think most Christians probably are 'nice' folk, despite the religion they follow. It is just the religion, doctrine, and the supposed biblical god that is vile and abhorrent. I have no idea why folk worship it. I guess out of fear through indoctrination when young I guess. I do feel a little sorry for theists in this regard.

[@wumbleisthebest3270]

@@briannewton3535 If i live a life without harming anyone, what does it matter? It works for me and it works for others. I respect your way of life. You claim religion causes violence, yet you seek confrontation for no reason at all, questioning my values, which originate from my religion, but aren't different from the ones an atheist has. I believe in Evolution, in Science. I think the world would be a better place if we'd stop forcing our beliefs onto others. Stop belittling me for what i believe, it's quite arrogant.

[@briannewton3535]

@@wumbleisthebest3270 Do I seek confrontation? Not really, I am just trying to understand what you believe and why? You quoted "thou shalt not kill" And I presented solid evidence to demonstrate that was wholly contradictory to the times that the god you believe in instructed people to go and kill people. I simply don't understand how you feel the bible has any credibility, as you simply discard big chunks of it that you don't like, yet feel your god will simply be okay with you discarding much of his perfect word and doctrine. I don't see any credible evidence to believe in the biblical god (or any other god) yet you do, that is just fine, yet you appear to have morphed the biblical god to be only nice, rather than what is evidenced within the bible. I get it, If I were to believe in the biblical god, I think I would feel ashamed that I could worship an all powerful being with those awful character traits and a penchant for genocide. I would probably learn to deceive myself over time, to believe that this god is a good guy wanting people to be kind to each other also. There are so many religious beliefs out there, and then when select the religion of Christianity, the beliefs that Christians have about their god and doctrine varies wildly. No one can say what a Christian is, other than the specific Christian themselves, as I have chatted with a Christian who didn't believe that Jesus was the son of the biblical god, which I thought was kinda key to Christianity. I never mentioned your 'values', as I know nothing about you, other than you are a Christian who believes in the biblical god, though it appears you have created a version of the biblical god that is less bigoted and slaughterous. I never mentioned your values or morals per se. I simply mentioned where biblical morals come from, and supposedly they come from god, or that is what the bible tells us. As you appreciate that a god did not make mankind as is talked of in the bible with amusing tales of dust ribs, snakes, and fruit, but instead we are simply a product of evolution developing over about 3.7 billion years, It appears we agree that we get our morals through societal influences through personal interaction. I'm now curious to what you think that your god has done, and if it has any influence over the lives of its chosen people. I guess other gods may have influence over their chosen people in different ways also. Maybe your god simply initiated the expansion of our universe all those years ago? Why did it wait so long to create a Jesus I wonder? It is disappointing to know that Jesus feels that anyone other than a Christian is deserved of an eternity of torment in the fires of hell. If he couldn't make himself known to us, why couldn't he just let us end when we die, and that be the end of it? Instead, for some reason seems to feel that we deserve to be punished, for as you expressed *"If i live a life without harming anyone, what does it matter? It works for me and it works for others."* Yet for anyone other than a Christian Jesus ain't letting that work for me, even if I live a life without harming anyone. I think that is extremely unkind, definitely not how I want to be treated, but it appears I don't get a choice unless forced into believing that Jesus exists. Forcing beliefs onto others is bad don't you think? With regard to "...the world would be a better place if we'd stop forcing our beliefs onto others." I agree, when people force their beliefs on others this is generally a bad thing. Christianity experienced an explosion of believers when they forced their beliefs on others through the crusades, and then the deaths that occurred through the Spanish inquisition with people not following the 'correct' religion also, but what is done is done I guess. When theists continue to dictate societal law through referencing ancient bronze age doctrine things do go somewhat awry, though thankfully society is slowly shaking off some of the bigotry that religion informs its adherents of with regard to the unjust and prejudicial treatment of those wishing to identify as different genders for example. Have yourself a blessed evening.

[@jessicaaguilar6435]

Slava Ukraine!

[@Paradoxisthefingerprintofgod]

Great Priest - no real priest preaches OPPRESSION and VIOLENCE.

[@briannewton3535]

Would the Pope be a priest? Could a Pope be a real priest?

[@robertlee8805]

And that's RELIGION can do to people. Being for WAR instead of PEACE. I'm DISCUSTED by RELIGION these days using it as a WEAPON.

[@Ass_of_Amalek]

ever heard of holy wars?

[@georgenorris2657]

No this is the way that people use religion for their own ends. This is not the gospel and never will be.

[@chrismuzzey7557]

@@georgenorris2657 Well said George! Well said!

[@derunfassbarebielecki]

There is a major correlation between religion and respect for life. The more religious a countries population is, the more murders and atrocities are committed. Religious people are sick human beings.

[@marty5822]

@@Ass_of_Amalek Maybe you could explain what's holy about death and destruction at the hands of men.

[@anonemouse3768]

Sounds similar to Muslim radicals.

[@briannewton3535]

It's religion, when one has magical thinking, there is no limit to the crazy one can imagine.

[@edr9871]

Are only few Christians in this world and if you realy go after Jesus and New Testament teachings a Christian should not even fight or go against an enemy. You are called to be a lamb before the wolfs.The suffering is the school of Christians to become like Jesus and this is how you will reign with Christ in the next life..See the life of followers of Jesus and if can compare with what this false prophets declare today... The ones that killed Jesus are still killing today ...

[@nichderjeniche]

funny clown

[@robzonefire]

Jesus ain't gonna like this

[@briannewton3535]

Why not? He departed this world a couple of thousand years ago.

[@righteousbyfaithinChrist]

No one who loves Jesus will follow false shepherds such as this one. If any are truly of the Fathers kingdom...they will reject any who preach another gospel...(Gal 1). ❤️🙏

[@briannewton3535]

Would you be against your god assisting or keeping safe the 'good guys' in a battle or war? It is the biblical way after all.

[@zaramarkaryan4369]

Никогда не нравился этот аморальный субъект ! Позор!

[@FirstAlways-sm5fl]

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[@orthoodoxchristianfirst2964]

😂 Remember Stalingrad, comrade! Wagner is too stupid to realize that they have walked into a trap. First the head and then the neck will be caught. Once they have “taken” Bakhmut [once they have taken the bait] Wagner will be encircled and then annihilated. So please, please, Wagner press on! Вспомни Сталинград, товарищ! Вагнер слишком глуп, чтобы понять, что они попали в ловушку. Сначала будет поймана голова, а затем шея. Как только они «взяли» Бахмута [когда клюнули на удочку], Вагнера окружили, а затем уничтожили. Так что пожалуйста, пожалуйста, Вагнер, поторопитесь!

[@ikoiko1day531]

Jesus apparently died for nothing.

[@briannewton3535]

I think Jesus died because the Romans saw him as a troublemaker. If a bunch of people considered Jesus as a leader and teacher, and possibly a king or a lord, in a tightly controlled regime that quells that sort of destabilising behaviour. I think Jesus died for being ignorant, careless, or simply indifferent on his reckless actions. I guess he got what was inevitably coming to him.

[@legsdontworkever6672]

🤦🏼‍♂️

[@staryjdido918]

Igor needs to go on diet.

[@user-ib9ky2jo9h]

he needs an award...

[@marty5822]

Yup. An Oscar for leading role in stupidity.

[@harrietharlow9929]

For what?! Champion Warmonger?!

[@user-ib9ky2jo9h]

@@harrietharlow9929 this original comment was in the aftermath of that russian propagandist getting a boobytrapped award and exploding

[@harrietharlow9929]

@@user-ib9ky2jo9h In that case, carry on. Russians do not belong in Ukraine

[@harrietharlow9929]

Also, sorry about my mistake!

[@centurionoomae1543]

Lol based

[@06colkurtz]

The SS belt buckle said god is with us. Same same

[@GermanConquistador08]

That was a German saying since the Medieval Ages and the belt bucket was from WWI.

[@Christophoros-it1qt]

Dear Brother, do you not know that Jesus condemned all killing and war? Everyone who tells you differently is decieving you and it is a betrayal against Jesus! What is the result of this? Jesus Christ will soon answer the question! Veritatis Missio

[@bunnylarese2161]

He talks like he is Muslim not Christian

[@coffeecake8098]

I think you mean Islamist, a leader of Taliban or IS.

[@andreaboggan9540]

The Gospel of Thomas (40) "A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being corrupt, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed." ~Jesus Matthew 15:24 "I was sent only unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." ~Jesus Matthew 7:13-14 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." ~Jesus Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God." ~Jesus Matthew 18:6 "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea." ~Jesus

[@hansvandenberg6464]

the gospel of thomas does not exist, is just fake, so don't use that.

[@andreaboggan9540]

@@hansvandenberg6464 John 20:30-31 “And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, *which are not written in this book:* But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name” John 21:24-25 "This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And we know that his testimony is true. There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose that *not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written."* Gospel of Thomas "These are the secret sayings which the living Jesus spoke and which Didymos Judas Thomas wrote down. (1) And he said, "Whoever finds the interpretation of these sayings will not experience death." (2) Jesus said, "Let him who seeks continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will become troubled. When he becomes troubled, he will be astonished, and he will rule over the All." (3) Jesus said, "If those who lead you say to you, 'See, the kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and it is outside of you. When you come to know yourselves, then you will become known, and you will realize that it is you who are the sons of the living father. But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty." Jeremiah 29:13 "And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart." Isaiah 10:20-23 " In that day the remnant of Israel, the survivors of Jacob, will no longer rely on him who struck them down but will truly rely on the Lord, the Holy One of Israel. *A remnant will return, a remnant of Jacob will return to the Mighty God.* Though your people be like the sand by the sea, Israel, *only a remnant will return.* Destruction has been decreed, overwhelming and righteous. The Lord, the Lord Almighty, will carry out the destruction decreed upon the whole land."