The People's Anglican Missal

[@courtneypeterson2979]

I like to imagine Dr. Jones internal discussion back when looking at that missal in 1993 was “I don’t really need another book but on the other hand it is only $5 and if I ever have a KZbin channel in 29 years from now this would make for a fantastic overview video.”

[@RGrantJones]

LOL. I'm not sure I had graduated to Windows from DOS in 1993. Thanks for commenting, Courtney!

[@ma-mo]

I know it's wrong, but every time I watch one of Dr. Jones' book reviews, I have eBay open in another window. Certainly I'm not the only one.

[@RGrantJones]

LOL.

[@hassanmirza2392]

His excellent videos forced me to buy many Bibles, although I am a Muslim. I love his reviews. Also, I can now give Bibles as gifts to my Christian friends. For comparative theological analysis of the Quran with the Bible, I always recommend NRSV Bible and Oxford Classics Quran, both translations are an achievement, love both.

[@richardcarroll9864]

excellent review, thank you.

[@RGrantJones]

Thank you for the kind comment!

[@geraldparker8125]

I used to use the People's Anglican Missal (of the Protestant Episcopal Church) rather a lot at one point of my life. I remember taking it to a R.C. church one Sunday in San Francisco. I was following the Mass as the priest said it from the 1965 Missal (the revision betwwen the time of the 1962 and the 1970 (Novus Ordo, UGH!) missals. I would do that because the English of the 1965 Missal was so disgustingly banal. I would follow the lovely Tudor English of the liturgy instead as the Mass progressed. A lay lady sitting next to me in the pew lifted her eyes in horror at the world "Anglican" in the missal's title. She looked very uncomfortable throughout the Mass. I never got a chance to reassure her.

[@AmericanShia786]

I have the traditionalist Anglican Catholic Church reprint of the Anglican Missal. Despite not being Roman Catholic, I quite like the Anglican Missal, Anglican Breviary, either the 1662, 1928, or 2019 BCPs, and although it might not be the best translation, I love the KJV with Apocrypha and Saint Dunstan's Plainsong Psalter. As always, your reviews are excellent. I grew up Roman Catholic and had an Italian mother who could at least pronounce the Latin words. Otherwise, I've be making intelligent guesses myself.

[@stevechristie8549]

Dr. Jones have you considered looking at the New Catholic Bible translation NCB; would be interesting to see how it scores or should I say maps in comparison to the other transactions.

[@RGrantJones]

Yes, it's been recommended to me before. Do you happen to know if there in an edition that doesn't have the words of Christ in red?

[@stevechristie8549]

@@RGrantJones yes only the giant print with the notes at the conclusion of the book, this is annoying because the NCB notes are more conservative and need to be present along with the text for they’re fairly extensive. I have read thru the text and notes twice over the last year and fine the text smoothly written for the average person; the notes however are the gem, guiding you to a more conservative reading of the scripture.

[@RGrantJones]

@@stevechristie8549 - Thanks! I was having trouble remembering why I had decided against reviewing it, and I think it must have been that the font on the edition without red letters was simply too large. I'd like to review it, but I'd greatly prefer to have a copy that I'm likely to use.

[@stevechristie8549]

I have the large print and the personal size, which is the same size text as the Catholic New American Bible Revised Edition that you reviewed 8 1/2 x 5 3/4 8 to 8.5. The large print 9 1/2 x 6 1/2 10 to 10.5. Those bibles have Christ words in red. Yes and that includes The Book of Revelation.

[@KD-ql2mf]

Best channel on KZbin.

[@RGrantJones]

Thanks for saying so, KND!

[@jimmu2008]

Do you keep a record of when and where you buy your books, or do you just remember?

[@RGrantJones]

I wish I had kept such a record, James. When I recorded the video, I was going from memory. But I just checked the paper liner in the back, where I had written the date and the location of purchase. It says "Elder's Bookstore, Nashville, TN" -- not Huntsville, AL. At least I got the year right.

[@johngeverett]

This is the Missal we use in the pews in the Anglican Catholic Church, unless the congregation uses the 1928 Book of Common Prayer.

[@RGrantJones]

Thanks for commenting, John! I didn't realize it was still in use.

[@johngeverett]

@@RGrantJones perhaps updated, but essentially the same. The readings are as specified in the 1928 BCP.

[@josephr.gainey2079]

​@@johngeverettThere is an ACC parish near me that uses it. With the exceptions of fixing one typo and the omission of a page in the preparatory matter (I don't remember the reason it was dropped) the missal is identical to the edition you have. This was told to me by a bishop who was on the committee which oversaw the Anglican Parish Association reprint.

[@jasonseaman3392]

Excellent review as usual. I have a reprint from Anglican Parishes Association, and did a spot test of the propers a little while ago compared against those found in my Roman Missal and everything seemed to correspond. Both of ours seem to suffer from a similar issue, in which the text at the inner margins gets perilously close to the gutter. One thing I noticed is that on many pages you showed the text is not printed straight in the page, so that the margin varies from top to bottom. How common would you say this is, and is it something that bothers you?

[@RGrantJones]

Jason - the narrow inner margin does bother me, but the angle doesn't. Looking at it closely, I'm not sure that the printing is crooked. It may be that the binding is much looser at the bottom of the volume. Thanks for commenting!

[@caomhan84]

Have you ever done a map video, Dr. Jones? I notice that there's a different map on your desk almost every video, and they all look very interesting. Do you have a collection?

[@RGrantJones]

Yes, I do have a small collection of older National Geographic maps. No, I've not done a map video, but perhaps one day. (Now that I think about it, I'm uncertain whether a detailed video of a single map might violate copyright laws.)

[@ggarza]

Thank you for posting! The Anglican Missal is very nearly identical with the liturgy we use in the Ordinariates. The Anglican tradition is certainly a treasure to be shared!

[@RGrantJones]

Thanks for letting us know, Gil! I've never been to an Ordinariate service, so I wasn't aware.

[@inquisition5928]

@Pax Domini That book was abrogated in the 2000s, we now use Divine Worship: The Missal along with other books in that series, including our office and baptismal rites.

[@Arkangilos]

@@inquisition5928 what are the differences?

[@inquisition5928]

@@Arkangilos The Book of Divine Worship was essentially a 1979 BCP smashed together with parts of the Anglican and English Missals. It had two psalters, the Coverdale and the modern '79 psalter, and was a massive book that not many people used because of it. The current missal is essentially trying to be like the Tractarian mass brought to conform with the liturgical reforms in Rome since the 70s (mostly the new calender). All the traditional Anglican forms but in the framework of the modern Roman mass (gloria before the collect, etc.) There are a few 1979isms retained, but these are mostly optional.

[@rraddena]

I have this missal and the English missal and are almost identical to the daily roman missal pre-vatican 2

[@danivuk2036]

I always get a little nervous when I hear anything start with The People`s.....

[@RGrantJones]

I do too. Thanks for commenting, Dani!

[@josephr.gainey2079]

​@@RGrantJonesThis is to differentiate it from the edition that the Gavin Foundation issued for the use of the priest at the altar. I think the Anglican Parish Association has reprinted that volume as well. But, I can't say this with absolute certainty.

[@hyeminkwun9523]

On separated churches and Christians (from Our Lord's long discourse on the Book of Revelation dictated to Maria Valtorta during Sept-Nov, 1950; the following excerpts are from pp. 579 and 581, Notebooks 1945-1950): "Separated churches gave themselves a human constitution, preserving as regards the True Church only what they liked to preserve to call themselves 'Christian.' But to be Christians does not mean just to pray to Christ and preach Him in some way or other; it does not mean to be even more rigorist than true Catholics in certain matters. Yet that did not make them -- aside from rare exceptions -- 'Christians' but, on the contrary, made them 'anti-Christians.' To be Christians means to form part of the Mystical Body by belonging to the Church of Rome as Catholics and belonging to Christ by truly living as He taught and commanded to live. Otherwise, one is not a Christian in reality, not even if one is Catholic. Otherwise, people will be called Christians, but not be shoots nourished by Him. They will be detached shoots which, even if they are not completely dry because a natural tendency towards Goodness make them act as just ones, are nevertheless branches that have replanted themselves on their own, in a proud way, and have produced a plant standing apart which yields fox-grapes and not good ones. To bear abundant and holy fruit, they must be grafted onto the True Vine. This is valid for both the individual shoots and those forming a life apart, the separated churches which have given their own constitution, conceived by their founder -- a man and not the God-Man -- cannot have that totality of spiritual life which only belonging to the Mystical Body maintains and protects against ever-greater separations, not only from the Body itself, but from the Truth and Light which render secure the way leading from the earthly Church to the Heavenly One."

[@johngeverett]

Good luck veigh 'Catholic' with Jorge Borgolio.

[@hyeminkwun9523]

@@johngeverett You have noticed that the Catholic Church is in turmoil now. Do you know why? Because the beast like a lamb with two horns (Rev 13:11) -- representing freemasonic clergies infiltrated in the hierarchy of the Church -- is overtaken the Vatican and is destroying the Church from inside with the current pope leading the effort. He already has said many things which are heretic, but he could not say those with the word "ex cathedra,' which are required for it to be infallable. This is what he will say soon without the word 'ex cathedra' that "Eucharist is a symbol and not the Body and Blood of Christ Our Lord." All protestant churches will welcome that and love it. Schism of the Catholic Church will occur. But that will fulfill "the Abomination of Desolation' (Matt 24:15) and usher in great calamities and Antichrist horror. The Catholic Church will be subjected to cruel persecutions and will go underground. The Church will seem to be dead during the Antichrist rule for 3.5 years (Daniel 12:7, Rev 12:14, and Rev 13:5) until the second coming of Christ, then she will rise gloriously. This will fulfill the articles of faith No. 675 and 677 in the Catechism of the Church -- before Christ's second coming, the Church must pass through the final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in His Death and Resurrection.

[@johngeverett]

@@hyeminkwun9523 I have, indeed, noticed. That is why I am Catholic, but not Roman. I respect your passion, but I do not accept the word of some 'prophet' that I am going to hell because I am not in communion with Rome. God's peace to you and your house!

[@hyeminkwun9523]

@@johngeverett Thank you for the reply. We should never say to someone that you are condemned. Eastern Orthodox Church is not in full communion with the Roman Catholic Church, but their sacraments are valid because they have the valid priesthood. You seem to know what you are doing. May God bless you and keep you and all your loved ones, Amen!