RHYTHM OF WAR SPOILER CHAT | PART TWO

[@Phoboskomboa]

Adolin is purest boi. All he know is duel, fashion, talk to sword, stab Sadeas, drink orange wine and truth.

[@faultier1158]

I love how Cryptics got introduced as these scary alien beings, but turned out to be super adorable. :D

[@ebnovels]

Right?!? They’re so awkward and precious 💕

[@Arezoo298195]

On Adolin and Shallan: I think that Adolin is trying his best to be as supportive as possible to not make Shallan worse. He is taking it too far because he feels he has to. He feels he will lose her if he doesn’t.

[@covya]

Adolin had to make himself look good because he was about to see Maya!

[@sentient.ball.of.stardust]

Exactly. Poor boi.

[@ryanratchford2530]

Yeah it was adorable! Loved how their relationship has developed through the series from his superstitions of talking to his sword-feeling like it could hear him. To him meeting Maya in Shadesmar & to this book!

[@gorgo5418]

Maya is the dark horse in this book

[@lppunto]

9:00 Adolin doesn't get the pun because he can't read, so he wouldn't connect that /ai/ and /ɪ/ are the same sound. We think of them as basically the same just because we use the letter "i" to represent both.

[@ham5097]

Oh god, I haven't thought of that! Sometimes I forget the Alethi men can't read

[@TabbyLibrary]

I hate how inflexible Lirin is. I mean, yeah, he was willing to see Kaladin's struggles with mental health, but he's so convinced that his way is the only way. He's totally unwilling to see protecting from anyone else's perspective and yet seems to want everyone to see it from his. And anyone who doesn't, or does not direct agree, becomes monstrous in his eyes. Sometimes it seems like that to him, nothing is worth fighting for; like he would give up his own family for peace. Obviously, I don't think he would do that, but that's the subtle feeling I get from him since he takes his ideology to such extremes.

[@zhazhagab0r]

Shallan has lived so long with her self-hatred and self-judgement that it literally fractured her personality. She needs someone like Adolin who offers genuine unconditional love. Adolin has been set up throughout the series as that supporter- for Renarin, Kaladin, Shallan, Maya- he doesn't offer all the answers to them, but this unconditional support and love is what leads directly to Maya's growth.

[@ebnovels]

I don’t think someone should need someone to be whole. It’s good to have people love and support you, but NEEDING another person in order to have stability mentally is-from what I understand-not necessarily advised.

[@zhazhagab0r]

@@ebnovels Not necessarily that she needs him to be whole, but that she did need help. The help that Adolin offered was the help she needed in order to heal. She doesn't heal because of Adolin (SHE is the one who finally confronts her own self-hatred), but his acceptance gives her the courage to finally do what needs to be done. People do need help sometimes- not a crutch, but a boost.

[@ebnovels]

I do think people need help for sure, I just disagree with the idea that she needs a person (in this case, Adolin), because saying she needs someone like Adolin versus saying she needs help are different things in my mind. This is from sitting in on a therapy session for a family member. The therapist made it very clear that support systems are of course good, but that reliance can’t be placed on others, because others won’t always do things right, others are going to make their own mistakes, others can’t always be there for you, etc. So I just get a little curious about word choice in these instances, since saying someone needs someone can imply certain things! Hopefully that made sense 😄

[@zhazhagab0r]

@@ebnovels I see. I feel like we are looking at two different aspects of the issue- the immediate vs. the long term. Ultimately, Shallan will need to be her own person, whole and independent (and she has taken some crucial steps in RoW).

[@chilliverse7326]

Kaladin's sections are more heartbreaking in this book.

[@stanco4ever]

Didn't realise Kaladin's depression until this book (or maybe last, been a while since I read it). I know he was supposed to be depressed, but even as someone that has had extreme bouts of depression I read it more as someone beaten down by horrible circumstances (which is also depression, just another form). This book, i thought brandon did an excellent job showing the demon that is depression even when times are good.

[@Arezoo298195]

Pattern possibly being a traitor broke my heart so much! I understood Shallan pulling away at that so completely. I could barely make myself read to find out what he was doing. So heart breaking.😢

[@markanthonypowell]

I loved the clothes section, and then he meets Mya. That's why I thought he dressed so nice, it wasn't because of the mission, it was his bond with her and his love and honor of her.

[@LanaFeyah]

Adolin is just a pure boi doing his best!

[@kelseycarter161]

I can definitely relate to how Adolin feels about failure. I had a father thought that nothing I ever did was good enough for him. And when you have someone like that that keeps pressuring you to do more and more and more it’s easy then to be afraid of failure.

[@DryBooks]

Absolutely. My father is just kinda effortlesly perfect, and it's not that he pressures me to be also, but just being around him makes you feel like you're not enough no matter what you do

[@EngagingPicard]

Adolin is fantastic...don't go ripping on my boy!

[@briek9482]

I think Lirin weighs on Kaladin as much as Dalinar does to Adolin. As Lirin is yelling at Kaladin in the hospital there are descriptions of starting to feel heavy and tired again. I think that scene was to show that a lot of the reason Kaladin is so hard on himself and so depressed is because Lirin has instilled in Kaladin that killing makes you a monster. Kaladin is fighting against that to do what he believes is right but Adolin is doing the same. He is defying his father in small ways while still doing what he thinks is right because he knows that Dalinar is fighting for what is right. Also giving himself for judgment was a smart move. I don't dislike Adolin though so is easier for me to not see every move he makes as bad.

[@Bowlofhype]

The Adolin champion theory is interesting I always felt like there's a decent chance it might be shallan

[@jwinget1999]

I hated Lirin when he called Kal a monster. This is going to haunt Kal for a very long time.

[@ducky36F]

Yeah I still hate Lirin.

[@rock53355]

@@ducky36F Did you 2 finish reading the book?

[@ardinhelme687]

@@rock53355 I finished and I still hate him. He's still got a lot of work to do before I forgive him for what he put Kaladin through in this book.

[@rock53355]

@@ardinhelme687 Sounds like Kaladin forgave him. Why can't you? And Lirin also changed his mind clearly, which is why he had the slave brands on his forehead

[@ardinhelme687]

@@rock53355 The series is full of characters taking a step towards doing what's right and then falling back down, heck, Kaladin's had his fair share of steps toward the dark side before turning back towards the light, it's gonna take more than one act of support towards his son to prove to me that Lirin has actually changed.

[@yllibsivad31]

Adolin is an absolute PERFECT CUPCAKE don't put that evil on him!

[@DryBooks]

I'm looooving the review for every part of the book. My thoughts: 1- Syl's interlude was soooo sweet. It made me go "awnt" multiple times 2- The epigraphs are being so useful now! 3- I'm enjoying Shadesmar soooo much more this time 4- I love Adolin so much, his love of clothing just makes him more real to me, bc I know people like that, and the way he takes care of Kaladin is everything to me. 5- Kaladin finding out he is now the most eligible bachelor in Roshar was my favorite scene IN THE COSMERE LOL 6- I CRIED WHEN TEFT STAYED 7- I really ship Shalan and Adolin. They remind me of a couple friends of mine 8- I wanted to PUNCH KALADIN'S DAD at the end of this part. Calling Kal a monster was just not okay. 9- I keep loving Navani a little bit more everyday. The way you can feel her impostor sindrome is just... dope

[@ebnovels]

Yes, Navani’s imposter syndrome is so well done 💗💗💗

[@thepussycat66]

Aa, I'm so happy to find another Adolin fan and also Adolin and Shallan shipper 😍😍 I love Adolin so much. He is honest and supportive of his loved ones but also a total bad ass of the battle field. And he makes me laugh a lot. His dressing jokes are my favorite funny moments. 😅❤️

[@DryBooks]

@@thepussycat66 lol, oh yeah, I like him a lot! I'm not sure we've seen allmof him yet. But I'm anxious to!

[@faultier1158]

Haha yes, the bachelor scene was awesome. :D

[@shananika]

I love Adolin too. He is probably my second favorite character after Kaladin. Never been a big fan of Shallan, but I do think Adolin is good for her. I hate that she withholds important things from him.

[@amizan8653]

I like Adolin. I love the friendship dynamic between Adolin and Kaladin

[@starflier]

My thoughts at this point: the deadeye cryptic was shallon's, and Pattern is her second bond. It fit what I recalled of her timing and how she had used a living shardblade to kill her mother, yet needed to progress through the oaths again. And the rejection of the trauma, rejection of the truths she had bonded the first partner would have been enough to kill them.

[@starflier]

On a completely different note, I think Adolin is actually too balanced, too good mental health to bond a spren or other investment. There have to be cracks in the spirit web to allow investiture inside. [ed: removed a word]

[@Mem000]

8( Adolin had one of the best combat chapter.. he was such a boss taking out 14 guys.. showing another side of him other than just picking out clothes to wear.. give him a chance.. i really think his character is growing.. 8)

[@lucaleone4331]

She literally wont lol. Adolins scene was amazing. But as long as Kaladin can fly around and grapple in the sky. That's all she cares about lol

[@BrightnessKatyReads]

syl's interlude was so precious!!! i loved part 2 so much, getting intorduced the whole tower occupation storyline and kaladin and his story made me cry so many times T_T i also really love raboniel, she's sucha n interesting character

[@benjaminlew1322]

I don't think you're alone at all with Raboniel- I thought she was one of the most surprising and fascinating characters yet!

[@mehazc]

The thing you mentioned about Kaladin and Adolin with their fathers is very interesting. Each stormlight archive book does an extremely good job of focusing in on the themes of the order of knights radiant the book is about. Rhythm of War is about Willshapers, and a lot of sections in this book really speak to the idea of “I will forge my own path.”, one specific example being how sons are different men from their fathers. I’ve always been impressed by the detail Brandon puts into the theming of each stormlight book.

[@doomslug6449]

"I still want my theory to come true of him becoming evil so part of me is like maybe you should keep it all to yourself" 😂😂😂

[@ElijahStormblessed]

You're so hard on Adolin 😭😭

[@ebnovels]

😂 I could’ve really gone deep, but this is me holding back!

[@lucaleone4331]

This is holding back? That's concerning. Lol

[@nuggetdoja871]

Pattern is hilarious. Of course I like him more than Syl! I love Syl but Pattern is the favorite

[@jennysnape2682]

I love shallan and adolin, I think they are both sointeresting (especially Shallan). But Adolin to me is probably the most precious character - He’s so positive and dependable for the others. He’s always there for others and who is there for him?! (Shallan doesn’t do enough to deserve him !!)

[@ebnovels]

I don’t agree, but I love hearing other views of the characters!!! 💕

[@jasonfuller8638]

@@ebnovels you just have a blind hatred for Adolin, maybe you will turn out to be right in the end, but you completely skipped over the part where he fights off 20 dudes to save an Honorspren that crapped all over him.

[@Ivannah75]

I love Adolin.

[@astrouphel]

When I first read this part, I suspected that Shallan herself was the "spy", I thought that one of her personalities, or perhaps a different personality.

[@noebody878]

Adolin was nervous about his appearance because he was seeing maya again. >.< pattern is absolutely my fav spren. I care more about Pattern, Shallan and Adolin then I do the rest lol.

[@pratik92]

Syl is absolutely the best. Most of the times I forget that Pattern even exists. Syl has the most interesting and inspiring things to say.

[@henrywayne5724]

I’m about to finish Part 3, and wow, I have NO complaints at all. None! If we continue this way, then there is a high chance this will be my favorite book. I love how Part 2 is so chill and calm...and then something happens that reminds you something nefarious is looming in the background such as Adolin and Shallan’s date and gazing at the starspren, which was such a beautiful scene and then in the next chapter we have those Tukari attacking them, same case with Kaladin drinking with Teft(a fun scene)and then we flash back to the Fused getting closer and closer. Speaking of the Fused, one thing I CANNOT get over is that the early reviews didn’t talk about these new antagonists. They are PHENOMENAL. Each antagonist involved is just...chef’s kiss and I finally understand why Amaram, Ialai and Torol got killed off. I love Raboniel and there is a certain scene in Part 3 involving Raboniel where um...hmmm...there is a lot more to her. I was so shocked when Lirin snapped. Thus far, we always see him as this chill man who can keep a level head and when he exploded at Kaladin- what a way to end Part 2. Now, when Kaladin saved Teft, I understood where he is coming from, I can’t fault him for being himself. But Lirin had a point, sometimes Kaladin really has to use his head rather than his heart, I mean, that was what got him into the “and for my boon” situation. I love how Sanderson makes us see both sides of this situation and not make one side ultimately right. I love how Navani took charge in this part and how Sanderson handles Kaladin’s depression with so much expertise. So far, ROW is doing everything I wanted in Oathbringer, us seeing a powerful new antagonists, Vyre, Raboniel, heck, Lezian is horrifying(and also somehow Taravangian), Adolin finally getting an arc, Kaladin’s depression tackled full hand, more Navani, more of the Ghostbloods and who they REALLY are, Shallan’s sickness...ahhh, I love this book so much! I’m only left with about 38% of the book to read, and here’s to praying those parts are blow me away. This book could actually top Words Of Radiance in my opinion, and that’s saying something because WOR was Sanderson at his best.

[@ebnovels]

I’m so glad you’re loving it so much!!! I think the rest of the book is great too, so I hope you feel the same :D And I agree with so much of your commentary 😄

[@vaughnigami2588]

Totally agree👍

[@jwinget1999]

Lirin had a point but calling Kaladin a monster was very, very wrong.

[@chokog2446]

So much this! ❤️

[@henrywayne5724]

@@jwinget1999 Yeah, calling Kaladin a monster was completely uncalled for.

[@nicklarge759]

So, I like both Syl and Pattern, but Syl is better in my mind. I think Adolin is afraid of another failed relationship so he lets Shallan have free passes, and Shallan is happy to be in a much more healthy, which is not that healthy, than with Kasbal.

[@ProfCardmaker]

Adolin won me over when he dragged Kaladin to the bar in Part 1. He cares so deeply for people, and especially Kal and Shallan and their mental health struggles, and that's endearing (even if he's a bit of a doofus otherwise). I think he's in a similar role as Gawyn in Wheel of Time, and I like Adolin so much more than Gawyn.

[@Finn-xw4vn]

Everything seems better when you compare it with Gawyn.

[@ViperRT99]

Syl is the greatest. Also, Adolin is one of my favorite characters. One thing you kind of didn't mention about when he was leaving, is that Dalinar was trying to imply that if he didn't follow in Dalinar's footsteps, he was heading toward being like Taravangian. To which Adolin said something along the lines of it not just being one or the other and just because he wasn't like Dad (who killed his mom) it didn't mean he was going to end up being a Taravangian.

[@ebnovels]

I think that’s an interesting thing to point out, simply because I kind of agree with Adolin, but also think that scene highlights how privileged he is. He killed someone important in their society and his only punishment is his father trying to guide him in the right direction. When Kaladin demanded a duel from Amaram, he was put in prison. But I think your point was that Adolin did get some of his frustration out? Which is true, I just want him to get the really angry feelings out 😂

[@booksandhappiness432]

@@ebnovels Well, Dalinar killed his own wife (even if it was an "accident.") Wouldn't it be hypocritical for him to punish Adolin for killing someone who was literally threatening both of them? Not being punished has nothing to do with Adolins personality but with the circumstances they are in. And it was Elhokar who put Kaladin in prison for slandering someone's name, who had an immaculate reputation until this moment (and light eyes of course 😑) , not Dalinar, right🤔?

[@jojobookish9529]

Pattern is the most precious math baby ever, and I was so deeply worried for/about him until the end.

[@EllenSmyth]

Spy: I was convinced that Vathah was the spy who killed Ialai.

[@josephreusch]

Adolin as Odiums champion??? No! The man is basically void of vice.

[@ebnovels]

Haha, minus snapping and murdering Sadeas 😆

[@josephreusch]

@@ebnovels it was an act of Adonalsium, himself 🙃😁

[@dastandesanta7565]

I thought it was shallans formless persona was the spy..

[@DryBooks]

Me TOO

[@vaughnigami2588]

Hmmmm...

[@Ponderingbooks]

Same!!

[@reverseetc]

Same here, almost immediately.

[@starflier]

I wasn't sure about formless. I expected there was probably an alter from long ago that was formed but forgotten, and THAT one was fully a GB spy. Did the deed and was reporting to mraize.

[@keyamazed1038]

Your husband loves Pattern? I see he is a man of culture.

[@storieswithc]

I'm curious to know, relating to Pattern and Syl, if it matters whether you are a book reader vs audiobook. I've only listened to audio, and Kate Reading's voice is sooooo hilarious for Pattern. She REALLY brings Pattern to life and makes him hilarious! Regarding Shallan's "HI-larious" joke, I was confused about why she thought Adolin would get that considering he can't read and it's really a play on the spelling.... Plus they don't use our alphabet haha

[@josephcorrigan7239]

Pattern's statement about how very good at talking he is made me crack up for several minutes! The audiobook performance of that line was just perfect.

[@EllenSmyth]

Pattern: Syl is silly. I love her, but she's no pattern. Pattern is absolutely hilarious and amazing. He's math, ciphers, logic, patterns, and everything I love. I respect honor, too, of course, but I'm not obsessive about honor.

[@jenniferhicks1711]

Kaladins perspective made me cry so many times... I've been there I can relate.

[@michaelbaziotis8287]

NO ONE makes me cry as hard with the "feels" like Sanderson!

[@angrypirate1094]

I am going to cry really hard if Adolin becomes Odium's champion, I really want him to become an edgedancer.

[@chilliverse7326]

I hope Adolin revives Maya.

[@helenFX]

Yes ! People keep telling him "you've got to bond a spren! Don't you feel useless without a spren?" He's got a spren, she just isn't feeling very well at the moment.

[@chilliverse7326]

@@helenFX Yeah. And I freaking love her and adolin parts so far through this book.

[@Ponderingbooks]

Same!! And I think him being an Edgedancer with her as his spren would be so great. 🥰🥰🥰🤞🏼

[@jimmimartinsson8219]

have to agree with husband here, Pattern is much more interesting then Syl. Feels like he is evolving more, learning more but then that is what he is there for. Syl mostly just stays like cute little girl.

[@AlcheonArt]

I like both Syl and Pattern a lot. I probably Pattern a bit more, but that's Kate Reading's fault

[@SethTurnerPrinting]

Random guy Teofil is a real person, the real father of Ethan Skarstedt (bridge four Skar).

[@sunlmr]

Patter over sil anytime NOOOOOOOO MATING!!!! the audiobook is soooooo good

[@jonathankelly4222]

Pg. 425 Radiant to Adolin: I can feel your determination Brightlord. That PASSION is admirable.” If this were any other book, I would have looked past this, but since it’s “the parshendi” book, and they love their passions, I can’t help but feel like this is a wink at things to come

[@USACade]

Loved hearing your thoughts. Definitely like Syl over Pattern, but it is close. As an Adolin fan though I do want to point out that he is a Vorin man, and thus cannot read. So the hi-larious joke doesn't really work too much as, like he said, the sounds aren't the same.

[@kylemccarty833]

Both spren give this series LIFE, but Syl is the more important to me personally. Pattern makes me happy, but Syl makes me hopeful.

[@meniiiithings]

I always like when Adolin and Kaladin interact, I loved how their friendship evolved , but they barely share scenes together, I wish we could see more of it. I too think that Adolin might be Odium's champion, but I feel like his character development has not been so strong to justify him having enough reasons to join the enemy's side. About Lirin, I am so annoyed by the way he always sees the world black or white, he is so easy to judge his son without truly considering what he really went through.

[@shayndlgreen3356]

Mena I don’t know if you’ve finished the book but if you have - do you still feel that way about Adolin? Just curious.

[@meniiiithings]

@@shayndlgreen3356 Hi, I am almost finished and yes, unfortunately I still feel the same.

[@shayndlgreen3356]

@@meniiiithings you still feel the same about Adolin becoming odium champion even though he hasn’t had the proper development? Sorry I was just a little confused by your response.

[@meniiiithings]

@@shayndlgreen3356 Don't worry :) I am not as sure as I was before RoW, but at the same time I can't think of anyone else for now, so I'd stick with him, but we'll see.

[@shayndlgreen3356]

@@meniiiithings what about Moash? I think Adolin will end up being Dalinars champion 🤞

[@AmeliaOak]

I love Adolin and Shallan. But I don’t love Adolin+Shallan. I love that they support each other, but they’re all “you’re my shmoopy!” I mean...they don’t actually say that but they might as well. Kaladin is my little baby and I kept thinking “Brandon let him rest!” I relate to him and Shallan in different ways. Not the different personalities but distracting myself from hard things and feeling fake sometimes even though I’m not.

[@firesandflowers]

Oh man, I hope Adolin doesn't have to fight Kaladin. I ship that friendship SO much lol. Ever since Kal helped Adolin in thqt 4:1 dual and then Adolin went to jail on principle for Kal, I've subconsciously made up little friendship scenes in my mind - almost like boring mini fanfics between those two. I've read a lot of actual fanfic with these two as well... so perhaps I'm biased! To be fair, Kal DID used to (and still does to some extent) worry about failing his father. Also, Dalinar has WAY more authority and gravitas than Lirin. It feels natural to me that he wants his dad's approval. Not too long ago Adolin stood up to his dad and refused to be King. He not only has to deal with the normal "wanting your parents to be proud of you" like Kaladin, but also the expectation from everyone else to follow in his dad's steps (and the other accomplished Kholin family memebers for that matter). Adolin is swimming in a sea of radiants and is coping WAY better than I would be (I'd be jealous and depressed all the time). I just wish we had more of the behind the scenes conversation Adolin and Shallan. It felt like a lot got edited out or something... as if Brandon had to swap out some dialogue between them in order to get all of Shallans inner monologues/bpd "right". I'm on board with the theory that Adolin becomes an edgedancer eventually and revives the bond with Maya somehow - or perhaps have a new or partial type of bond that may be different from anything we've seen before. I'd be ok if he didn't become radiant though. It might be helpful to have a few main characters that never bond spren for perspective. Anyway, I love seeing others comments and thoughts on these videos!

[@tanyam928]

I love Adolin and Maya scenes as they are coming closer and Maya is healing a bit. I was shocked when Pattern was caught in a lie, like what he can lie? And I was getting emotional reading all of the Kaladin and dealing with mental health scenes, they hit me hard.

[@kiteflying9317]

For the Shallan and Pattern betrayal part, if you go back to book 2 when Shallan was traveling in the caravan with Tyn (one if my favorite character)... and Pattern is learning about human behavior.... then you combine all his behavior up to that point .... ugh mah heart

[@Bogrin]

I like Syl slightly more than pattern! It’s real close though

[@joepalkovic]

No way on Pattern being better than Syl!

[@karlwilker579]

Say it with me: Ra-BONE-iel.

[@ebnovels]

I had it as an arc, so the audiobook wasn’t available yet when I read it 😊

[@vellichor7676]

19:22 To be honest, Lirin has annoyed me for 90% of his appearance-time since the very first book. I don't dislike him, admittedly, but his hyper-passive worldview seems pretty juvenile. Sometimes you simply have to fight, and I think opposing Odium is a good time to do so.

[@ThanatoselNyx]

He is a strict pacifist. It is a very strong and difficult moral position to take. Nothing could be less juvenile.

[@mbvurawn370]

I think Shallan is the spy. I think Formless isn't as formless as we think.

[@lucasbertsche3710]

RIP Teofil 😭

[@EvaaraGaezanlei]

I relate to Shallan the most. We all wear masks when facing different people or occasions. Most just don't want to admit it, most lie to themselves and to others because they can't handle it otherwise.

[@jaredcovington3930]

1st - my wife and I both like Syl more. I think she is funnier but I also think I like her more because of Kaladin. Shallen doesn't interest me as much as a character. 2nd - I was pretty sure that the spy was actually just Shallen haha. I thought she was using the cube and forgetting or it was a different personality. I now know that to be untrue of course.

[@ebnovels]

I bizarrely read your first point as “my 1st wife and I” 😂😂😂

[@jaredcovington3930]

@@ebnovels numerically speaking, that statement would be correct! :D

[@surajagarwal3510]

Remember Mat's Boots from WoT? For Adolin, his clothes have that deep and profound meaning beyond "just clothes". Also, NO ADOLIN BASHING PLEASE! He is literally the purest boi out there.

[@ryanratchford2530]

9:00 I think Adolin doesn’t get the joke because he doesn’t know how to read. So to him they’re completely different sounds.

[@Badpig3on]

Oh man, I've thought Adolin was going to turn evil since book 1! At first I thought it was going to be because he was jealous of seeing his friends and family being radiant and not being radiant himself. I love the theory about him being Odium's champion too.

[@pedroalves7290]

Syl >>>> Pattern just because I feel like she's much more witty and intelligent.

[@kianadresse891]

I love you Elliot but I will not stand the Adolin slander, my child is too precious and adorable for such treatment

[@rock53355]

I feel like there's nothing adolin could do which could change your mind about him :P

[@ebnovels]

Haha, he could! I just have yet to see it 😂

[@lucaleone4331]

I 100% agree. I dont think I've seen someone with stronger biased against someone in this book >_

[@abbys6260]

I loved the Kaladin quotes about depression as well as him speaking to his dad about himself. I thought it was a little hysterical for him to tell Teft "you're just an addict. You don't have battle shock" (paraphrased above). Kal should know better than to tell someone else how they feel.

[@richardmckerley928]

Pattern is best

[@danielwilliams9459]

I was convinced the spy was gonna be Veil or Shallan but boy that didn't go as I expected!

[@Ailvara]

+1 to pretty much everything. I find it baffling that in a series where characters aim at really high moral grounds, take responsibility even for things they can't be fully blamed for, and question the need for killing even in the face of apocalypse... Adolin seems to be presented as the best of them all, whether he kills Sadeas and hides it, or butchers a squad of people, there are no second thoughts, neither from him, nor Shallan, nor the narrative.

[@ebnovels]

I could lay into Adolin so much more, but I try to hold back, since I know a lot of people love and relate to him 😅

[@Ailvara]

@@ebnovels It's amazing, really. In many ways he's the blandest and most WYSIWYG character, and yet... most polarising. I think a video about everything wrong with this character would be amazing, both on its own and as an intro to discussion. I understand why you wouldn't "destroy" him here, but a separate video that anyone who'd be too disturbed about could easily avoid would be great.

[@Ailvara]

@@HarrowHark9 Fandom is for everyone, not only people who think the same way you do. And if you think shipping is the only reason to not love the character, you're only proving you need a video.

[@richardbennettiii7182]

I like Adolin for Shallan. I know their motives are questionable at times, and I would like to have Adolin to be a better flosh out character. But those two need each other and I don't want either of them to turn evil, but I feel they might in some way. Also I feel that the way he feels about his father while not the best reason to try harder it is relatable to a lot people. There is growth needed for sure.

[@chongtxtx]

Whoa! Great review! Onto part 3.

[@doomslug6449]

Aw I love Syl and Pattern equally, now. My favorite spren is actually a tripple tie between Syl and Pattern and Maya haha.

[@ebnovels]

What about Wyndle?!? 😆

[@vaughnigami2588]

@@ebnovels Wyndle the "whiney lamespren"?😆 Yeah. He is a bit repetitive, but I guess so are the others. I think I Syl and Pattern tie in first, with Wyndle and Maya in second.

[@doomslug6449]

@@ebnovels Wyndle and Rua and Design are like close seconds haha

[@kmiriabell]

I love pattern the most! His sense of humor lightens the mood in a book full of intense, broken, broody people. No mating, dividing by zero, I love having feet! I love his nerdy ‘dad joke’ humor. His kind of character interjects fun into a book genre full of scary world ending apocalypses.

[@lightfriend]

Syl will always be my number one, but I love Pattern as well. No way he's a Ghostblood spy! I was sad Shallan immediately assumed the worst about him without getting more info.

[@ebnovels]

Poor Pattern. I want to hug him 😆

[@Ryan_W_K]

I always hate Lirin, he is a self righteous fool, but i was fuming at the way he was being with Kaladin in this. I don't care if he is sometimes understanding or coming round to things or just trying to protect Kaladin. He is dead to me 😑😅

[@v3rmilli0nair3]

Part 2 Epigraphs were FIRE!!! XD If any of yall enjoyed Part 2 Epigraphs as much as I did, 17th Shard has a 2 hour video just dissecting those alone.

[@MetalGildarts]

Took me forever to figure out it was Sazed/Harmony writing to Hoid.

[@justvalnow6642]

I caught the he comment as well.

[@final_friday]

Adolin is just a little ray or sunshine who doesn't think too hard about things. How you get champion of Odium from that is just beyond me. Oh and I thought Dalinar was being as bad of a dad to Adolin as Lirin was being to Kaladin... Seriously guys, both of your sons are awesome, could you not??

[@DatBrasss]

I thought the spy was one of the cryptics, but not... that one.

[@UdyKumra]

Maturity is thinking that the Stormfather is better than Syl and Pattern. just kidding it's Syl

[@Kcoldraz]

11:30 I totally think that Shalan's 4th persona is going to be Man. But when I watched Sandersonian studies. Seems it turned out to be another woman.

[@TheMakromag]

I think the problem with Adolin's anger concerning his mother is that it's not something anyone can change. In the Way of Kings, Adolin was so confrontational because he was scared his father would lead their house to ruin. Here, the only thing in jeopardy is their relationship and I would assume he thinks shouting out accusations would just make everything worse.

[@Shindu4815162342]

The thumbnail doesn't have part 2. Took a while to find this one. Maybe I'm just dumb.

[@andrewdenney8065]

I thought it was her the whole time

[@jenniferhicks1711]

Lirin grrrrrr without Kaladin there would have been no bridge 4. No bridge 4 😲😫😳 side note was I the only one that choked up everytime someone did the bridge 4 salute??

[@ebnovels]

You’re not alone-the salute will always be emotional. Except when Moash did it in book three.

[@jenniferhicks1711]

Moash 😡😡😡

[@jonathankelly4222]

I’m on chapter 23 rn, my guess is the newbie.

[@jonathankelly4222]

Or, more realistically, I think we will find out there was no spy and “Veil” actually did it.

[@Musicteachersheff]

So in chapter 22 I thought the spy was Radiant or maybe the other personality coming out while she was sleeping. That was my theory

[@ViciousSeed]

I like pattern way more than Syl. Syl reminds me of tinker bell.

[@angelaciani2110]

Syl's Interlude was so freaking adorable 🥰 chapter 25 and 33 made me cry... not enough ppl talk how much mental health is a part of the series!!!

[@sciencystuff2106]

I will heartbroken if Adolin will be odium's champion😓 Elliot you have some very serious problem with Adolin . Does he ever dated you?😂

[@laniniak]

When I thought Pattern was te spy I was so heartbroken.I felt as betrayed as Shallan! Also, I too was really mad a Lirin with all he said to Kaladin, especially in that situation and in the state he was in. I feel like he is very understanding and very patient with everybody except Kaladin. Like he can bend his expectations of almos everybody else, and that makes mad. All the Kaladin scenes I loved! Teft staying was the best thing ever. And I really love Adolin, but I agree it's troubling that he is okay with everything Shallan does. Also, I find hilarious that you want him to be Odium's champion so bad!

[@ebnovels]

Hahaha, I do want it so bad. It would be such a great progression for the story!

[@doomslug6449]

I was pretty convinced that the person* that was sending Navani the messages was the Herald of Truthwatchers XD