Richard Feldman - Zed, Roc Lang - Elm but for everywhere

[@aghileslounis]

Richard Feldman is so smart I really like his approach and what's he's trying to do with Roc Lang. It feels like that's what we should've had from the beginning ahah. But it's so hard now to convince and make people adopt a new language, I think.

[@markovujanic]

Great discussion. I love Elm and amount of stuff I learn from Richard I feel I own him 10% of my salary every month, (not only about Elm but general software dev practices.)

[@video-carl]

roc-lang You don't have to put on the debug light Those bugs are over You don't have side-effects so don't debug into the night

[@xymaryai8283]

took me a while to get it XD

[@NoahNobody]

Damn it, Richard. Why you distract me with awesome new language!

[@fraollemecha]

I though it was "Roclang" without a "k"

[@havokgames8297]

It is

[@devtoolsfm]

Corrected 🤞

[@TankorSmash]

@@devtoolsfm also the chapter names say 'rock' too!

[@TheFwip]

Also the description

[@TankorSmash]

@@TheFwip That's where the chapter names come from, pretty sure

[@pookiepats]

swift protocols = rust traits = roc abilities

[@pmarreck]

Great language, wish it considered implementing macros though, because that is certainly a powerful feature in Elixir, as long as its use is limited (which it usually is, from what I can tell)

[@Qrzychu92]

what would you use the macros for? I can get behind some comptime code generation (shout out for c#!), but I never liked macros. Even with Rust, macros just patch stuff what "should be in the language" (like async/await)

[@Danielo515]

Zed is a great example on how to focus on the features that matter the less. They should build plugin support, that is the most important thing

[@munchymanjaro9070]

Plugin support is there, and there are plenty extensions available. AI is marketing, there are plenty of things to like about zed beside AI. In my experience it is better and more stable than lapce, with more plugins available.

[@pmarreck]

@@munchymanjaro9070 It also has a way better name than the ridiculously-poorly-named "lapce", something which unfortunately matters.

[@MrRobWalter]

It's funny to me that "language designers" often don't seem to see the parallels between designing a language and designing an application. The way Richard describes his approach around minute 17 and how he tries to prevent (syntax) feature creep is pretty much the same as good UX design prevents that from happening in an application. Languages are applications for developers, especially nowadays where user-facing aspects (like editor features and performance and syntax) become increasingly important factors for devs to pick a language.

[@voidmind]

I can get llama 3.1 8B to run at 72 words per minute through Ollama (accelerated by me AMD video card). Surely that would be way better than using a cloud API.

[@pmarreck]

it’s way faster on M1/2/3 Mac Also, check out the new model “Reflection,” it is the new king!

[@KManAbout]

You need a video card though

[@pookiepats]

so ever growing rust compiler is totally a cool tradeoff for backwards compat but at the same time Roc overcomplicates its modularity by splitting OS level API's? in the spirit of what? great we can strip out out some unused libs we may end up using anyways as apps grow.... disappointing, not very Elm like; this seems like a side show

[@privatedeletebuttongooglei5221]

Richard Feldman is a snitch