Richard Stallman debates animal rights activist at Penn

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Richard Stallman, inventor of copyleft and founder of the Free Software Foundation, speaks in Fitts Auditorium at the University of Pennsylvania on April 14, 2017. This exchange happened after the speech in the Q&A session.
The title of the event was "Free Software and Your Freedom". Details at www.fsf.org/ev.... The event was hosted by the Free Software Foundation, Penn For Privacy, Penn's Law Center for Technology, Innovation, and Competition, Penn Engineering Computer and Information Science Department, and the Electronic Frontier Alliance.
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[@honestdolus5263]

Could you provide a link to the whole talk?

[@dhimmel]

Hey Logan. Thanks for your interest. I'd have to piece together several clips to get the entire talk. I'm not sure I'll get around to doing this. There was also another individual recording. I will see if I can find a link to his video.

[@KandiKlover]

She talks with the steretypical slush mouthed braindaid speech mannerisms of a moron.

[@akizaizayoi4763]

Hey! I love your display pic. I recognize that.

[@ProgressiveLiberty]

@@dhimmel I would be interested in this as well. Thanks.

[@user-pc1ch6lf7n]

The cognitive dissonance in this dude

[@TehKorwinMikke]

Is there a video of someone going to Animal Right speech and asking them about free software?

[@eatcarpet]

I'm sure Richard Stallman does that.

[@user-he4ef9br7z]

"Excuse me sir, I use Arch btw"

[@kishascape]

@@awuuwa true but rules and standards don’t apply to them and they frequently flip flop their hypocritical views to whatever is trendy at the time.

[@shallex5744]

@@user-he4ef9br7z Arch isn't a wholly free system

[@richardbread9882]

I want to make one now. Go to PETA conference and ask if their slideshows were ethically produced.

[@Simon-xi8tb]

his belly is becoming a perfect sphere.

[@birdobonkers5205]

I'm actually a little bit impressed by it, he looks pregnant rather than obese.

[@KandiKlover]

@@birdobonkers5205 that's how white american people gain weight. Straight to the belly first and most only the belly.

[@joshuaking-lambert7540]

@@birdobonkers5205 That's impossible ,that would render him a human female. We all know he is a man, you dope. Take you nonsense somewhere else.

[@OstrichNipples]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Sphere, is in fact, Belly/Sphere, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, Belly plus Sphere. Sphere is not a digestive system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning Belly system made useful by the Belly's pepsin, pancreatic enzymes and vital bodily components comprising a full DS as defined by RSB. Many organic users run a modified version of the Belly system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of Belly which is widely used today is often called “Sphere”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the Belly system, developed by the Belly Project. There really is a Sphere, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Sphere is the stomach fat: the circumference of the system that allocates the organ’s energy build up to the other muscles that you run. The kernel is an essential part of a digestive system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete digestive system. Sphere is normally used in combination with the Belly digestive system: the whole system is basically Belly with Sphere added, or Belly/Sphere. All the so-called “Sphere” distributions are really distributions of Belly/Sphere.

[@AshGrowem]

@@OstrichNipples XD

[@johnc3403]

..what the hell is he doing with that chair??

[@MrEbrilio]

i always chair like that

[@ashrasmun1]

testing it's freedom

[@joshuaking-lambert7540]

lol@@ashrasmun1

[@OstrichNipples]

Collecting something to eat from his foot later

[@oneheckofabanana2016]

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as chair, is in fact, GNU/chair, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus chair. chair is not an seat unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU seat made useful by the GNU coreseats, seat utilities and vital system components comprising a full seat as defined by RMS's leg.

[@nonenothingnull]

he's right though, he's all about his points on software freedom. You don't come to a thing about programming to talk about a completely different subject

[@KandiKlover]

You're obviously oblivious to modern day leftism. That is exactly what you come to unrelated events for, to make it all about you and your deluded political messages so that you may feel special about yourselves so that you can escape your miserable unhappy failed life.

[@matthiasschuster9505]

The topic is freedom. That he and others see animal freedom not as part of the freedom of us all, proves the point.

[@OjoRojo40]

You realize Stallman is a leftist right? @@KandiKlover

[@ililililil8385]

@@OjoRojo40 Yeah but he represents left of reason.

[@kacperw587]

He is a bit extremist (which is not wrong, and I admire) when it comes to software and freedom.

[@jtsotherone]

I'm fairly pro animal rights, but her continued pressing of him on the issue was about as relevant as someone asking the speaker at the animal rights event she was attending the next day about his/her views on free software.

[@ciaranfahy7179]

why didn't somebody do that just for the lols(imagine complaining about them using windows on the computer attached to the projector), It would be funny.

[@chronometer9931]

​@@HerbivorousMuse The thing is, she was wrong to claim he's hypocritical. He simply doesn't agree with your side on that issue. From Stallmans point of view it would be like me telling you we need to stop people from destroying rocks, because it hurts them. You can say rocks don't have feelings, but clearly, you need to educate yourself about rocks. It was irrelevant because people didn't gather there to talk about the ethics of veganism, but the ethics of software. The fact that she can't understand this proves she's stupid and you agreeing with her, well surely you can come to a conclusion there yourself. People on the left in general seem to lack critical thinking.

[@ivan00001983]

I think she was aiming at his infatuation with freedom and wanted to tell him that there is no perfect absolute freedom. Even if you achieved freedom for humans you still have suffering and slavery for billions of other animals. But the thing is many people (including RMS) don't think other species are as important as humans. I don't think we are more important, day we'll go extinct like dinosaurs, and the sad thing is we are going to pull majority of other species to demise with us. So, I think she was trying to get some attention to wider philosophical question of freedom and also animal rights. RMS is a highly intelligent person but his view of freedom is limited, and hers is more universal, it includes humans and also other animal species.

[@PaperBagMan884]

"Isn't it hypocritical you're presenting animal rights with Microsoft Powerpoint, a non free user subjugating program?"

[@Michael-mh2tw]

She believed that her views on what she terms animal freedom would have fit into RS's ethos of freedom. It did not.

[@ivoperich4950]

"...and with all the points discussed in this couple hours we can see why using privative software is bad for your freedom. Any questions?" *girl raises hand* "I'm a vegan."

[@DAF2194]

"Interesting, but that's not a question"

[@barkeeper7887]

he is asserting dominance with his leg

[@botowner8623]

chad stallman vs virgin interrupter

[@Sharp931]

That seducing poz

[@chrisschick6054]

"I'm REALLY BUSY, thinking about.. what I'm thinking about.." Using it!

[@yiyuzhou3453]

He meant: "I'm too busy thing about what I'm thinking.” That "about" at the end changed the meaning of the sentence completely.

[@despressiontoast5189]

How did this lady make a connection between being free from proprietary software and animal agriculture?

[@blazeytown4444]

It's called postmodernism invading higher education

[@ivan00001983]

She was possibly aiming at his campaigning for human freedom in general, she wanted to extend it to the question of animal rights. In the core of his public work is believe in freedom in general, and freedom in computing is closely tied to it. So if you see connection between freedom in computing and general human freedom, you can easily extend it to question of freedom of animals. Maybe she wanted to point out that even if you achieve freedom in computing, even freedom for humans - it is still half-victory because you didn't achieve absolute freedom, there still will be billions of animals (pigs, chickens...) suffering and enslaved. So if one's mind isn't closed down and narrow one can in fact be interested in computing freedom, human freedom and absolute freedom and think about them all.

[@victorvaida4272]

@@ivan00001983 bruh wtf people aren't animals r u 4 real broooooo

[@shallex5744]

@@victorvaida4272 yes they are

[@ProgressiveLiberty]

It’s the only way she could make it about herself.

[@unlokia]

She should follow the GPL: Get Purposely Lost.

[@HikikomoriDev]

Some aerobics going on with the chair...

[@jag0937eb]

talk to the leg

[@--i-am-root]

I like how there's milk and honey on left side of the screen.

[@snapverse]

How is this question relevant to free software?

[@KandiKlover]

Modern day leftism. Sit down, shut up, and listen to my delusional self important spiel.

[@carloalberto4132]

you only used to find that type of shit in college but it's now spreading.

[@dockdrumming]

It isn't. LOL :)

[@Michael-mh2tw]

She thought it tied into his ideas about freedom.

[@Michael-mh2tw]

@@KandiKlover I don't support the woman, but this is some reductionist bullshit. Most leftists are not like the vocal minority of self-entitled nutjobs, myself included. The woman believed, as she stated, that her animal rights beliefs would have fit into RS's ethos of freedom. She was wrong. She should have stopped talking as soon as he said this, though.

[@MobileDecay]

I think he's trying to be sexy with that chair. 😂😂😂

[@ratonmagico]

I'm a vegetarian and pro animal rights but the question is completely out of place.

[@josephbrandenburg4373]

doesn't it make you angry that instead of getting interesting conversation from a really smart guy, she just babbled on about how he should agree with her? She didn't do your ideas justice at all.

[@tobjasr6034]

one's relentlessly propagated ideals of FREE vs. open-source software and the GNU-Linux naming war and "right vs. wrong" just become so inauthentic at the point where you deny animals' rights.

[@BloodyRosie]

Being vegetarian, you're anti animal rights because you pay for dairy and eggs, which are products of exploitation and murder.

[@KebraderaPumper]

its out of place, because in society we have laws restrict our freedom, its other level of argument and debates, because need a lawyer and governors politichal institutions etc... RMS isn't a president of a country, very very WRONG question, and that question don't add anything valuable to free SOFTWARE foundation, we not talking about FREE ANIMALS FOUNDATION... hahaha

[@deanc4505]

looks like stallman is pregnant with a baby gnu...

[@tobjasr6034]

or with an animal graveyard perhaps?

[@theplaymakerno1]

Wow man! I was about to right that as well!

[@thecashewtrader3328]

Bro

[@brakonecki]

LMAO

[@drazpa489]

How to sabotage discussion about ethical issues effectively: Crash every discussion about ethical issue X by bringing up ethical issue Y. I hope she brings up the bad working conditions for the humans working in the racoon fur farms at the next animal rights conference.

[@Hammid]

She was (probably still is) an retarded, opportunistic, steaming pile of goat excrement.

[@plurakok]

Vegans do actually talk about how working conditions in animal agriculture hurt humans, for example slaughterhouse workers have high rates of ptsd.

[@thecashewtrader3328]

Yea also apple etc used child labor

[@sohrobby]

That lady is not helping any animals with her line of questioning.

[@EnderCrypt]

animals are persons lmao

[@kapcom01]

The word `person` has more than one meaning, just as most words. One meaning is `a self-conscious or rational being` according to dictionary.com So, saying that "animals are persons" is more or less fine and not something that you lyao of. Anyway the conversation between rms and the other person in this video was a little problematic and we cannot be sure of what word definition either of them were using.

[@PaperBagMan884]

@@kapcom01 But not everyone believes animals are self-conscious or rational being, and it hasn't been proven to be the case either.

[@PaperBagMan884]

@white It's spelled extortion, little guy.

[@PaperBagMan884]

@white You edited it and it's still wrong lmao.

[@eraykaratay9266]

some animals = food not edible animals = irrelevant until they annoy me, then they should be eliminated humans defending pandas = share the same iq as pandas(oh wait thats why they defend pandas, solved it hehe) bugs generally = get out of my house and stop disturbing me while I enjoy my lunch at restaurant spiders = enemy of my enemy is my friend till they invade my personal space(in that case they die horribly) stray dogs = let me sleep at night birds = cool(they eat bugs, very nice) as long as they don't poop on me(in that case they get away with it D: me can't fly) flies and hornets = genocide is our only option

[@lexluthor8570]

Next up is the chair rights activist

[@Myname-l3h]

Oh no 😥

[@m0rShh]

It's an interesting ethical question, but it wasn't presented in a way that's conducive to a real discussion. Right from the beginning she is hostile and accusatory, calling him a hypocrite. I wouldn't really feel like having a debate either if someone went for the throat like that. If you want to have a discussion, have one. If you want to get your aggression out, take a boxing class.

[@F-00]

1:52 "Animals are persons" WTF IS THIS WITH THIS HUMAN LOL

[@RamLaska]

I wish universities taught students how to make non-emotional arguments. Or how to just talk like a frakking adult, period.

[@Michael-mh2tw]

Not killing your cat is an emotional stance.

[@thecashewtrader3328]

> university 😂

[@lispmachine9687]

RMS will be always my hero. No matter what he pulls out from his feet towards his mouth.

[@bunnerkins4165]

This comment did not age well.

[@bobbyjoe9328]

Bunnerkins lmao

[@Myname-l3h]

@@bunnerkins4165wdym

[@uh6537]

Like going to an animal rights event and ask why they are running windows now they are fighting for freedom

[@hankbuckwalter6424]

Her question is pretty easy to answer "Don't you think it's hypocritical..." the answer is NO. For it to be hypocrisy would require his actions to contradict *his* stated views (not hers) -- but he never asserted that animals have rights to the same freedoms as people he even specifically states he does NOT hold the view that animals are people so...no hypocrisy. He disagrees with _her_ views that's called disagreement, not hipocrisy

[@iamlordstarbuilder5595]

I happen to be on her side from an ideological standpoint, but her presentation was absolutely pathetic. She picked a terrible time, a terrible place, and poor arguments. If I were her, I would’ve asked him to explain why humans are special and deserve special treatment, then listened to his answer and took it to his email.

[@Sloyment]

@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 There is nothing in free software that special cases humans. Animals are allowed to use free software for any purpose, study, enhance and share it, if they ever choose to.

[@iamlordstarbuilder5595]

@@Sloyment While true, one could say no other animal has any particular interest in human technology.

[@adamberred]

@@iamlordstarbuilder5595 nah dogs and cat love toys , wich are human technology

[@iamlordstarbuilder5595]

@@adamberred They are not interested in electricity, mechanics, computers, robotics, etc, because they lack any understanding of them.

[@TheSolamnic]

50 likes 1 dislike. Well, she found the video.

[@dingdingding4033]

hahahah

[@danielmota]

"animals are people too" Oh my fuckinGod!

[@ariathyf144]

He has to stick to his boat and defend what his life mission has become because various groups of peoples would try to drag him out.

[@toddmartin7030]

Stallman shoulda just asked her about the rights of plants she eats. They are living things to.

[@BeeboHamido]

They are “persons” too

[@botowner8623]

plants ≠ aninals doe animals have brains and plants dont :P

[@ProgressiveLiberty]

Why do ideologues insist on going after other ideologues in other areas. I mean, he's talking about a different topic.

[@xyzzy3000]

It's like in Highlander - there can be only one.

[@terryscott524]

A case study on rhetoric vs. argumentation

[@hope_canyon]

it's okay for him to not be across this stuff. like intersectionality is important but everyone has their limits in terms of the things they can spread their energy onto.

[@iamlordstarbuilder5595]

Richard Stallman takes it further than any of us does, give the guy a fucking break amirite

[@aaronaaron7536]

What kind is narcissist hijacks a talk, to flip out at the speaker not agreeing with her on animal rights?

[@TarebossT]

sudo apt purge animals

[@benutza5362]

@SpatialPlatypus cowsay isnt free software btw

[@Myname-l3h]

Sudo dnf history rollback 56

[@alekstired]

@@benutza5362 Where did you hear that? on wiki it says that it's under an "artistic license" as well as GPL

[@benutza5362]

@@alekstired i feel like chatgpt reviding my answer like that, but you're right: in the license file is a reference to the GPL. I don't know where I got that from then. Sorry :-)

[@TimJSwan]

I hope Richard can take advantage of fasting, ketosis and autophagy.

[@MustaphaRashiduddin-zx7rn]

i can't get past the keto flu

[@Keranu]

I was always under the impression that Stallman is a cook, and he probably is, but everything he said was completely reasonable here.

[@Zladnyl]

He isn't actually a cook, and he is right about pretty much everything. He is an extremist when it comes to his ideals, beliefs, and free software but rightfully so because very few people are fighting the same fight. In a digital age where humanity is intertwining with technology so closely that our entire society, culture, governments, economies, and world state overall could collapse should anything happen to our current day technology and IoT, is a very good example of why he is correct. The freedoms he fights for and believes in are becoming our single most important rights aside from freedom of speech.

[@rishavzzz]

How do you know someone's vegan? They'll tell you.

[@bobbyg1570]

How do you know someone doesn’t want animals tortured for no reason? They’ll tell you what you’re contributing to and you’ll get mad 💁🏻‍♀️

[@user-he4ef9br7z]

@@bobbyg1570 You don't need to torture animals to eat 'em.

[@M310GL]

I love animals, deeply. But I hate this kind of selfish activists because, at the end of the day, all is about their egos.

[@csnoob8929]

Stallman is an imaginary animal so he wins

[@md.hossain693]

I am a ChaiR RIgHTs activist and I am not impressed by the actions of this man.

[@ProgressiveLiberty]

I hate when people do this. They take mindless rhetoric and try to get a subject area expert outside their respective box on an issue important to them. It’s so silly, what’re you trying to accomplish gettting a free software guy to care about animals? He isn’t going to program a virus to break them out of their computerized pens.

[@Lightersjoe]

stallman won

[@Gooberpatrol66]

Stallman SLAYS vegan LIBTARD with FACTS and REASON

[@maxeimpina7183]

No es ganar o no ganar.. son argumentos paralelos pero en el punto de la libertad se tocan y stallman lo evade argumentando que solo tiene una posicion en el libre (free) uso del software... creo que deberia ampliar su vision aunque sea profunda en cierto nivel carece de profundidad en otro

[@artvandelay6457]

Very serious country with very impressive universities

[@honkhonk8009]

The Universities are pretty serious. Its litterally just the clown ass humanities majors that act like this. Honestly man its such a night and day difference.

[@RockfordRoe]

BASED STALLMAN-SAMA

[@jk-gn2fu]

Richard Stallman actually somewhat cares about animal rights. He refuses to eat several intelligent species.

[@jasontito7644]

animals are persons?

[@Guns_and_Grunge]

What does this have to do with software

[@snowcode953]

People are really debating about specific sentences of the talk? Just this is completely off topic.

[@rptrj1384]

"animals are persons" lol. why is she there? she doesn't know what software is.

[@BitterMonday]

well stop lion for eating deer

[@BitterMonday]

animal is person

[@tylerdean980]

Richard stallman knows human and animal lives are not equally valuable? Based.

[@ValseInstrumentalist]

I'm a vegan and think this isn't the forum to have an animal rights debate. While I think it is logical that one concerned about freedom and ethics could be liable to expand their ethical considerations to one of the biggest ethical shortcomings in our society (animal agriculture), pressing Stallman like this wouldn't work and is just wasting everyone's time.

[@honkhonk8009]

Animals are subhuman. Anyone that thinks this is an extreme take, should re-read my comment.

[@KarthikS30712]

Does anyone know who the lady is?

[@michaelhughes8413]

He seemed to handle the question, although I world have been tempted to try and shut it down more quickly

[@christopherneufelt8971]

It is very irresponsible for the person to ask irrelevant issues in a debate, especially when you divert the specialist from his discussion. They call this diversion, in order to shut down the discussion.

[@Ken.-]

I just had a byte of software. It crashed on me.

[@_ADM_]

What about plant rights?

[@Ryan-xq3kl]

plants are people too, 5Grams of psilocybin in siilent darkness and terence mckenna youre welcome

[@_ADM_]

@@Ryan-xq3kl 5G ? xD

[@KarthikS30712]

Can I ask him a question about the freedom of dictators and authoritarian leaders? They're "persons". Right?

[@BekBrace]

1:53 Did she just say "Animals are Persons" ?!!!

[@BeeboHamido]

I demand the freedom of dears to live and not be eaten by lions without consent.

[@GreyGhost-r4z]

I was watching this while eating a Hamburger 🍔

[@Schcarraffone]

i while inwas eating a vegetarian person (i am a linux cannibal user...)

[@Joe3D]

This girl speaks so fast that causes me headache.

[@hugo-garcia]

Animals has no rights. Prove me otherwise.

[@FiberScholar]

You have no rights, prove me otherwise.

[@knpstrr]

I'm a plant's rights activist and I'm disgusted with anyone who abuses, tortures and murders plants. The worst people are those that eat plants for food. Disgusting people.

[@jag0937eb]

the power of STALLMAN

[@eatcarpet]

Why is he standing on a chair like that.

[@CavalloDiSpade]

hahahaha If she knew anything about what Stallman is like, she should have known that she wasn't going to win this with him.

[@spongythecake]

She's right! I saw a mongoose compile the linux kernel once. Animals need freedom

[@ggRfrFcr]

He makes a very important point. There are many ethical issues in life and he's only talking about one of them. She's trying to Scope creep 'Freedom' into doing the ethically correct thing at all times or you have failed. Nobody is perfect.

[@Hammid]

Nobody is perfect, but that… vile creature in the audience is an opportunist, extremist cunt for bringing that activist, unrelated bullcrap in the middle of his Free Software centric QA session. 'Nobody is perfect.' does not apply here. She's just plain retarded and needs to crawl back, end of story.

[@GoogleUser-id4sj]

That chair is sus

[@MrApplewine]

Interesting conversation. I don't particularly like Richard Stallman, but he did fairly well here. It is true animals don't have rights. The so called "animal rights movement" is actually just the anti-human, anti-human rights, anti-reason movement. Humans are the reasoning animal. That is what makes us different. Those who hate reason, hate objective truth, hate reality are trying to destroy humans.

[@MrEbrilio]

troll

[@chronometer9931]

@@MrEbrilio If he's just a troll then why is he right?

[@Sjoerd1993]

There's tons of scientific evidence nowadays that show that many animals have a rather complex emotional system and show an understanding of themselves and the world around them. Many animals, including the pigs that we eat, show clear signs of self-awareness and even have developed theory of mind, which basically means that they understand that there's other beings than them and that they have their own thought process that is different from their own. These are incredibly complex things (relatively, in the context of the animal kingdom), and the idea that animals don't have any "reasoning" is simply anti-science. It's a clear contradiction with what we know about animals today. Having said that, the animal activist in this video is clearly out-of-line. Even if she's right, which as Stallman points out is a presumption that puts the entire "debate" into a false starting point to begin with, then still this is not the place to do it. Stallman is here on this event specifically to talk about digital rights. The activist making this about animal rights, is just as obnoxious as barging into this event and saying he's a hypocrite for talking about digital freedom while there's still thousands of people that are falsely imprisoned in Guatemala (random example). Or even more fitting, if RMS would go down to an animal rights rally, and call them hypocrites for caring about animals but not about free software. Even if the activist is right, this is not the place to take up that debate.

[@TheL0wner]

until animals start writing and using software asking rms his opinion on their rights seems an error at best.

[@extinctionistrecordsblackm6380]

until mentally disabled human beings start writing and using software asking rms about his opinion on their rights seems an error at best. therefore its ok to holocaust and murder disabled humans for sandwiches.

[@awuuwa]

@@extinctionistrecordsblackm6380 you seem to have failed to understand the whole point that RMS was talking about in this video. Holocaust has nothing to do with free software

[@extinctionistrecordsblackm6380]

@@awuuwa It has to do with ethics, which RMS wont stop preaching about with his free software garbage. he seems to think its a moral outrage when trivial software doesnt respect rights, but its fine to take the right to life away from billions of sentient beings per year for a sandwich. It is an appeal to hypocrisy, yes, but Its hard to take the fool seriously with that sort of non-logic. I understand that there is a time and place to call out these inconsistencies, and the animal rights person was out of place - yes, it would also be strange if RMS went to a vegan organisation and started talking about free software, but if the underlying value is ultimately caring for Ethics then it doesnt seem so strange at all.

[@extinctionistrecordsblackm6380]

@@JM-tj5qm if it were cats and dogs being tortured i wonder if you'd call that "the rights of food"

[@extinctionistrecordsblackm6380]

@@JM-tj5qm just pointing out how deranged carnism is where it would turn otherwise caring decent people into justifying the animal holocaust and being OK with abusing cats and dogs needlessly. if you want philosophical arguments check out 'name the trait' you will quickly find that your reasons for animal exploitation would also entail you would have to agree with human holocaust to avoid contradiction.

[@Klassenfeind]

he wouldn't eat gnu meat tho

[@MrVecheater]

Even though she may be right (in case he actually supports industrial animal farming. I don't know what she is exactly talking about though), RMS is completely right here. - It's got nothing to do with the topic - he has no time to think about other issues because he is focusing on a specific one - he *started* a fucking *movement* that changed whole industries to the better while she is not even working for her goals and even attacks him. She could at least talk to him before or after the speech and argue with facts and alternatives The difference between RMS and other activists is that he is working together with the ones he wants to convince instead of fighting them

[@patrickschannelyt]

While animals do deserve better treatment I don't think calling someone a hypocrite is appropriate in this situation. This is about the right and freedom of people and it's specifically about people using software. And she's asking this suddenly and already has a list of arguments going at him. And yeah animals and people are two different thing, not saying this justify the way animals are treated but yeah.

[@WitsEnds]

we shouldve never let women out of the house

[@bububuracing62]

LOL :-D

[@thesleepypiggy]

Love it when people try to play the technicality game, she knows that he was talking about freedom from a software perspective, but she clearly wanted to probe his beliefs on other ideas.

[@shiftyschitt5890]

RMS didn't deserve to be prodded in this manner and it was completely inappropriate, however there underlying is of consumption that is one and the same: the blind consumption of anything is more or less bad -- know your food and know your software. He also has the right to not care about animal welfare the same way others have the right to not care about non-free software.

[@FiberScholar]

I'm vegan but this is not the appropriate venue for an animal rights discussion. Then again, rms's response was kind of stupid. I expect better from someone so smart.

[@barbados3592]

My man needs to go on a full carnivore diet.

[@Sprinklestechsupport]

How is he so fucking real, do mfs really think that animals should have the same fucking rights as people?????? They just aren't

[@powerplayer75]

she asked really bad and mostly irrelevant questions but why wouldn't he just answer them instead of arguing about rhetoric.

[@dalegervais1462]

Dude, stick with FREE software.

[@mevideym]

He does

[@johnkelfy7256]

Mashrooms are life form too

[@stank9076]

I see in a lot of comments common ground is that a woman came to debate a whole different issue at a free software event and therefore she is wrong. Well, if you think broadly enough, you'll understand it is not quite a different issue. Let's set aside question about if animals are persons or not and look at less "controversial" side. Animal agriculture is largely controlled by huge corporations that have powerful lobbies in the governments, that are heavily monopolized and that have a devastating effect on the environment. Isn't that what Stallman is saying to be strongly against? The guy is just stuck in his own theories and literally refuses to discover something new. If you look at his other interviews, he also has hard time with facing challenging arguments, even when they are related to strictly his topic. It is as if he was afraid his theory would fully collapse because of one solid argument he would not be ready to contradict. It happens to smart people, I saw it. Anyway, I used to admire Stallman, but now I rather feel sorry for him.

[@sh4rksh4d0vv]

I'm sure Stallman is devastated that Vladislav from Eastern Europe feels bad for him

[@Schcarraffone]

@@sh4rksh4d0vv I think the remark about "Vlad from eastern europe" written by an american hamburger eater from texas is also not relevant

[@chronometer9931]

@@Schcarraffone Who cares what you think about him?

[@lucianoosinaga2980]

you can be against Monsanto and co without falling into the mystical hippie vegan trap. you don't have to believe in animal rights to realise that climate change can be harmful to humans. The woman posed her question as an ethical one, and stallmans answer limited itself to that ground

[@lvcsilva]

1:53 "Animals are persons" My sides went to the zoo after that

[@VelidAgovic]

Animals ARE persons. Maybe you should see what it means and how did it came to being.

[@lvcsilva]

Well, you could say that humans are animals, but saying that animals are persons is just nonsense.

[@VelidAgovic]

In ancient Rome, the word persona (Latin) or prosopon (πρόσωπον; Greek) originally referred to the masks worn by actors on stage. The various masks represented the various "personae" in the stage play. A person is a being that has certain capacities or attributes such as reason, morality, consciousness or self-consciousness, and being a part of a culturally established form of social relations such as kinship, ownership of property, or legal responsibility. Now tell me, how comes that self-aware animals with highly developed communication, social interactions and intellect, sometimes way beyond our capacities, are not persons?

[@VelidAgovic]

We are all part of stage play, our stage is called planet Earth, Cosmos.. We are all personae

[@roberoalberto4328]

Are they taking a out minecraft animals?

[@davoxime]

Dude is looking more and more like the Linux logo.

[@abeliever7301]

GNU

[@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321]

i would ask him why, for years, he has kept his body in such a disgusting state.

[@dingdingding4033]

Yes and no..hes overweight.. it probably feels good for his back. The gut puts alot of weight on his back. Its done, unbeknownst likely.

[@bashisobsolete.pythonismyn6321]

airlines have failed to impose a surcharge on his gut. therefore, the whole world is subjected to his affront to human dignity.

[@oneheckofabanana2016]

He keeps his computer clean but defiles his body.

[@yusufklc7821]

l don't get it why she is doing this speech to stallman. What he is doing with animals that so important he has been targeted by animal right activist ?

[@albertgoldmanrosenburgshit2452]

chad stance

[@anitasarcheeseian3706]

Richard Stallman = LIBERTARIAN GOD

[@freddief939]

He's a socialist.

[@acex222]

He's a berniebro, bro.

[@tanura5830]

Richard Stallman got destroyed here

[@tronkel1]

I is a Fennec Focksie The following factors determine how important one is and what rank one holds in the scheme of things.: 1. How big your eers are. 2. How loud you can screem. 3. How big your pause are. 4. How big your ayes are 5. How well you can spel. On the above basis. I is your BOSS - just so you know!

[@libraryjestercafe3623]

I'd say his reason is sounder and devoid of paranoia, but that's just me :P

[@misterio981]

Out of all the interviews he has made, THIS one gave you that impression?

[@angrymoose3383]

Rare RMS W

[@zn9707]

When two crazies meet.

[@honestdolus5263]

RMS at least has a logical argument.

[@AtacamaHumanoid]

Nothing crazy about Stallman. Every year that goes by, you find more and more people saying "Richard Stallman was right."

[@JulienReszka]

@@AtacamaHumanoid lots of people say Ted was correct too. Was he tho