Ranking Every SPECIAL and ELITE - DARKTIDE

[@RichardDangles]

Y'all really do not like maulers it seems. Link as promised: tiermaker.com/create/elites-specialists-from-darktide-16229110

[@botep5529]

Snipers have either the best or worst positioning in thegame. No in between. They are either taking pot shot from across a chasm, through a railing ,at and angle that would make a R6 siege player envious, or you turn the corner and they are standing right there with their back to you. I do like how their AI tries to "stalk" your party instead of rushing like every other special

[@SuperT380]

Bombers have grenade lineups I wish I could have when I play CS

[@47RoninGaming]

They must've been NFL quarterbacks before turning to papa nurgle. They always seem to find the pocket aka my ass.

[@botep5529]

I've seen em lob nades across chasms. Chads have absolute cannons for arms

[@stepheng618]

Crushers and Maulers need to be S tier for the simple reason that if you get hit by their overhead smash it will one shot you on Highest difficulty. When you get a group of them it only takes one failed dodge and you are in the dirt. Arguably my biggest headache has been the trappers pulling me into a horde or fire. It's so rough.

[@SuperCatacata]

Disagree simply by the fact that they must be point-blank to hit you, unlike disablers or snipers. And they also have the slowest and most telegraphed attacks in the game. If you get hit by that then that's more of a player issue than anything. It's much more understandable to get hit by a dog jumping from 20 feet away thru horde or a trapper than it is to get hit by those guys who need to be right on top of you to do damage.

[@Drekt666]

ur right S-tier

[@LungDrago]

@@SuperCatacata What is the cue for a Chaos Warrior/Crusher attack? My problem with Crushers (and CWs in Vermintide) is that when I face them and they go for that massive overhead critical, they also keep charging forward and turning during the wind up. So I dodge once, twice, three times, run out of dodges and then die horribly. Can't figure out how I can tell they will actually attack.

[@DrakeZoa]

For me the S tier enemies would be first of all Bombers because they are the reason why your team fails the level they don't kill you all the time but if unchecked they will turn a defensible position into a killing ground. They are harder to kill when they are on higher ground specially on places where you can't traverse. Followed by trappers and flamers. They don't kill you but what makes them dangerous is once you get caught off guard you are dead. Yes they are easy to kill but when all of you are busy with the walkers/bullwarks/other specials these 3 can turn the tide. I always prioritize killing them on auric maelstrom/damnation

[@RichardDangles]

Yes I agree on bombers, they tend to not really kill you directly, but force you into indefensible positions which ultimately is why they're such a pain in the ass.

[@bionicwizard]

The amount of times I've been downed when I lined up for a push on a poxburster, only for a teammate to mag dump it as it dives at me... Its too many

[@xxevildoctorxx2162]

Playing in pubs, the amount of times I lost because of Maulers and Crushers is staggeringly high, ima put them in S+

[@tyhutchings6890]

Would love to see you cover more darktide, you present info in easy to understand ways and make for better players.

[@conradshtock3039]

Slight disagree on the hounds; automatic weapon fire can stagger them pretty easy, so an autogun/Stubber/etc. can handle them ok, long as you can maintain accuracy.

[@RozKounelakion]

Wait till you play a mission with dog and mutant hordes brother. You'll change your mind real quick

[@conradshtock3039]

@@RozKounelakion I said 'slight' disagree. Not arguing the points made, just that I've had reasonable luck with them, myself...so far.

[@joshjonson2368]

​@@conradshtock3039his list doesnt really make sense when youre a solo queuing player, especially if you're a vet and your team is busy chopping zombies or shooting fodder infantry while leaving you with 7 ragers or maulers

[@conradshtock3039]

@@joshjonson2368 fair point, sorry.

[@develtusletrin5410]

A tip for those having trouble with hounds and mutants the AI for the latter “Lock on” to a specific player when spawned (and will ignore others that are closer) and hounds have a VERY easy to notice wind up animation once you start to notice it that only starts when they have a clear line to their target, imagine a trappers gun sound but dodge when the hounds running sound cuts right before it’s pounce sound, another thing to do if your a Psyker is pack Smite and lightning staff so you can cc hordes with Smite and pick off lone Elites and Specials with the staff.

[@Nugire]

I agree with you list, though i would have placed the crusher in A tier for the combination of armour, health and damage they deal. 2 things though: - I find dreg gunners more dangerous, since the scab gunners are easies to spot (green light + laser tracers). Scab gunners blend in way better. Also, the dreg gunner can actually melee with his bayonet. The dreg shotgunner is also a bit more dangerous that the scab, simply because of the bayonett he has. It means he never changes his weapon, so if you want to force him into melee, he still might shoot you. This is annoying as an Ogryn with a slab shield, since with the right skill you can force all shooters + the scab shotgunner to take out their melee.

[@GabrieltheDevil]

I'm thinking the Crusher should be S tier. Fighting more than 6 or so at once in Damnation basically forces you to kite back, which especially in pubs, is not a skill that a lot of players learn until they are more experienced. Their overhead is devastating, which you covered, but they also move considerably faster than Maulers while doing their overhead. That, on top of being generally survivable as fuck due to having all Carapace Armor and a large HP pool makes them terrifying.

[@RichardDangles]

I could see that. I haven't played a ton of auric/maelstrom, but on damnation they definitely seem to get to me more of a pain in the ass.

[@SuperCatacata]

The amount of rending/brittleness every class has access to now makes crushers a complete non-issue IMO. Vet can even oneshot them with a freaking revolver now lmao. You have much bigger things to worry about in an auric game than giant targets that can't hit you without you messing up very badly.

[@last2nkow]

I tend to group them by enemy type to work out my priority targets. Gunners - ranged weapon single target weapon units including the heavy stubber ogryn Disablers -anything that you need a second player to save you from being pinned by, Area denial -anything that makes area attacks that make areas damaging to stand in, Punchers -generally high damaging melee enemies that are not ogryns. Big bois- chaos ogryns except the heavy stubber dude. Not in that order, but then each unit in each is set in a tier list as well if there are two of the same type of threat. Bur for targeting in practice any list like this is relet8ve tot he situation. 2 big walls of gunners is either the biggest threat to the team or around the corner and basically irrelevant to the two mailers and a flamer in the middle of this horde we are stuck in. You want to get to the bomber but if Pete the psycker isn't saved from that hound sitting on his chest we are a man down until we can save him.

[@truemisto]

maulers amuse me most because they just calmly walk up to you

[@botep5529]

Would be a unique modifier to randomize elite movement speeds

[@TheUndeadslayer221]

Mutants should be ranked at least at B tier for one reason: They are the reason people have "Maniac" as a bonus damage stat on their weapons. In other words, Mutants are a "nuisance" because you specifically take damage bonuses to deal with them.

[@Elemental-pk5kq]

So you you back back dangles?

[@VioIetteMolotov]

I dunno man, most of my auric maelstroms have been ended because of either ragers, bombers or a big stack of maulers mixed with crushers. Those are easily the most dangerous enemies in my book.

[@RichardDangles]

Most of my experience comes from Heresy and damnation. Playing with a full party of friends most specials/elites aren't too bad since coordination is so strong. I could see on a auric maulers/crushers being much more threatening especially when playing with pubs.

[@VioIetteMolotov]

@@RichardDangles You'll change your mind once you play maelstrom. One run ended today because of a swarm of over 40 scab ragers.

[@botep5529]

I main Vet. I see red laser, i hit the F key. Simple as. Nothing else matters until that thing is dead.

[@Breakingfasst88]

I bound my tag to my right click just cuz of them. Highest priority with my plasma gun, i’ll literally shoot through the horde just to kill that thing.

[@botep5529]

@@Breakingfasst88 whereas the og and zealot protect my ass from melee, I like to think that I protect my team from ranged threats. I see you and I have the same mentality 👍

[@joshjonson2368]

​@@botep5529lol where do you find these proper melee zealots? I only walk into clowns who wanna play as conan with a machine gun

[@botep5529]

@@joshjonson2368 it took 500 hours but I finally have a solid team of regulars to play with and they know how to do their job. It's like a totally different game playing with your boys than it is playing with randos

[@joshjonson2368]

@@botep5529 yeah this game is meant to be played with familiar ppl, not randoms unless one enjoys giving themselves a headache

[@bustin9938]

RICHARD what is your favorite sabaton song?

[@Yourtimeis]

The dreg gunners are worse than actual cancer

[@delsin1126]

I thought shotguners were part of the specialists given they’re more common. Oops

[@RichardDangles]

I always look at elites as better common enemies.

[@conradshtock3039]

Also, helps to have a dedicated plasma gunner to deal with Ogryn and boss monsters, but that’s just stating the obvious.

[@allisvain123]

Pretty accurate, but like u said, this is from ur experience. I am more of a lone wolf, so my tier list differs a little from yours. But I gotta agree, Trapper is S and the dog is just a nuisance IMO. After the patch where even soulburn damage staggers dogs its actually really easy to deal with.

[@RichardDangles]

I think I am still burned after we had a full part wipe on a hunting grounds.