Why Old Music is Killing New Music

[@razorback9926]

My take: In the 1970s, you could hear Gladys Knight, Led Zeppelin, and Johnny Cash on the same station. We all grew up appreciating a wide variety of music. Today it’s all compartmentalized, you won’t hear anything outside your genre on “your” station.

[@mavadelo]

This comment should have way more likes than it does. A very valid point.

[@lespaul1755]

Very true

[@HotelierNYC]

Quite so. Even in the 80s there was far more aesthetic latitude per station. In Providence, where I grew up, you would hear Stevie Wonder, The Cars, Tina Turner, the Pointer Sisters, The Clash and Metallica in a single, back-to-back sequence. Nowadays we all live in our little musical silos, oblivious.

[@alanrprice]

It's stultifyingly dull, listening to just one type or genre of music, and causes stagnation, because, if one only has one influence , where are new ideas going to come from?

[@HotelierNYC]

@@alanrprice It probably doesn't help now that there is a war being waged against "cultural appropriation." Remember when we used to call artists who borrowed from other styles and traditions "progressive?" That open-minded spirit is now disparaged as "colonialist."

[@paintmofo]

“The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side.” ― Hunter S. Thompson

[@rickkelley4618]

Hunter is an artist, Michael

[@nycsym]

I believe Thompson was referring to the TV industry when he made that comment, but both industries have had their share of thieves and pimps in the money trenches. An interesting read on the commerce side of the music industry is Fred Goodman's "Mansion on the Hill."

[@victorjones1783]

Whish I could share the H.S.T. quote.

[@jamesiyer4937]

Ouch

[@dougcarson5202]

"The band is just fantastic, that is REALLY what I think..., oh, by the wayy..., which one's Pink?"

[@ChrisMolyneaux93]

Most important sentence in the article: "The problem isn’t a lack of good new music. It’s an institutional failure to discover and nurture it."

[@franksoul]

You are joking right? Pop music has never ever been this bad and apparently the listeners also agree.

[@BIGxBOSSxx1]

Rick perpetuates the failure of discovering new music because all of his videos are about “top 10’s” and whatever is most popular. Imagine how much he could help new bands and musicians by making videos about them instead of all the other popular artists? Oh right it’s because making videos about popular artists makes the most money. He doesn’t actually care about the state of music.

[@ursula3438]

I just discovered this great Canadian songwriter Andy Shauf, who imo is as talented as a Paul Simon, but because of the state of today's music industry, only some few die-hard indie music nerds know about him, which is a shame.

[@ursula3438]

@@BIGxBOSSxx1 Agree. Rick should use his platform to promote young artists, who are worth listening too.

[@thanos9846]

@@BIGxBOSSxx1 He gets strikes on his account from artists relevent one, and even two generations ago. Imagine if he tries something with a new artist, where labels want a piece of every single thing attached to an artist.

[@Wasted_Talent007]

I was a senior in high school in 1976. I cannot begin to tell you how thankful I am for that. My formative years were muscle cars, Rock n Roll, and ungenetically modified cannabis. There was respectful dialog in politics, science was revered, and social tolerance was ascending. When pondering my good fortune, I have come to realize that WHEN I was born is every bit as important as WHERE I was born.

[@rossmacdonald3880]

Amen to that! Be nice to have some of our cars today from way back than, even with an 8 track or cassette- although digital is a nice feature today.😉

[@philovance1940]

Very true

[@DUCKDUCKGOISMUCHBETTER]

Was going to upvote your comment...until you had to shoehorn in the superfluous drug abuse promotion propaganda. I downvoted it for that alone.

[@mogznwaz]

I’m a 71 baby so I grew up surrounded by the best 60s and 70s music which was amazing. The Beatles, The Shadows, Stevie Wonder, Simon & Garfunkel, Roy Orbison, ABBA the Bee Gees, the Carpenters, The Eagjes, glam, even punk. So much variety and amazing songs. Then I remember hearing songs like Heart of Glass, Wuthering Heights, I Feel Love, Cars, Stand and Deliver and Girls On Film for the first time and wow they blew me away. Such variety and energy and creativity !! I am so lucky to have the mid 70s to mid 80s as my formative years. I felt it was special even then but I didn’t realise just how much til years later ❤

[@pmscalisi]

@@mogznwaz don’t forget the Motown stuff also . “Earth, Wind and Fire”, the Jacksons, the Commodores, and “Kool and the Gang” were in my favorites as well

[@jwccornock]

At the evening party for my daughters wedding last month, the DJ played 80% 70's, 80's and 90's music. The biggest floor fillers were Abba, Queen and Simple Minds. At the moment my 8 year old granddaughters 2 favourite songs are Mr Blue Sky by ELO and Rio by Duran Duran. I've never played those songs for her and neither have her parents. I asked her why she liked them and she said 'I don't know, they just make me feel good'.

[@jhardy0786]

She is hearing them in movies all the good movies today have sound tracks from the 70’s and 80’s like all the marvel movies

[@mailmusic]

Yeah for your granddaughters.......It may keep us old musicians working for a few more years...LOL

[@NEEDSHES]

Oh yeah Sir) no one can fool a child) they know what is good 😊

[@NEEDSHES]

Keith Burns for a few decades at least)))

[@mgtowrules1649]

Only the WOKE listens today's noise!

[@nigle_homeless1761]

To be honest as a seventeen year old, my favourite period of music is between the 60’s and 70’s. That period of music would account for 90% of what I listen to. Simply, old music is raw and honest. New music to me sounds artificial and made to sell, instead of being listened to.

[@EuniclaireMaeAnneHerrera]

Raw and honest. You got it on point! Maybe the authenticity is what is missing in today's new music? It is what I value in music. My ears wouldn't love distorted pieces. Sorry for the term but it's how I see it.

[@jukip1485]

I like live music.....but properly live. Some new music I can’t imagine it live.....

[@terrythekittieful]

January 1, 1965 to December 31, 1974. Ten years, unbeatable, the best five albums from the Beatles, the golden age of the Doors ,CCR, Hendrix, Kinks, Small Faces, the Band, Supremes, Cream, Stevie Wonder. Led Zep's first five albums, the Stones and Dylan at their peak. Bowie, Jethro Tull, T Rex, Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Procol Harum all arrive,...it never stops, a phenomenal ten years.

[@attackofthetheeyecreatures3472]

That's how I've always felt. Except my favorite eras are 60s to early 70s, and 70s to 90s underground punk and rap, and the early 90s mainstream.

[@missingremote4388]

dyn o mite !

[@MrShockleader]

We used to invest in music. We bought a physical product that we could hold and cherish. If a friend walked past with a square record store bag there was the the "what have bought" conversation. You took the LP home and listened to it several times until the songs became familiar, you played along with them or sang, you shared it with your mates. You invested in it - financially and intellectally. Now there is no investment. Pop music has always had an ephemeral quality but now, due to the lack of investment by the listener that ephemerality has become even more fleeting.

[@fairfieldmethodist6682]

Great point, MrShockleader. It's a nuanced insight that has helped me understand what I sort of intuitively knew, but hadn't given clarity to.

[@VictoriaIndyTV]

This is an important observation MrShockleader. The exchange of earned cash for a physical, palpable thing. For me, it was the Saturday morning ritual of going downtown to the record store, spending time flipping through the vast selection or picking up that special order and then going for lunch at the local. Later, getting home, unpacking, cracking off the cellophane, making a cup of coffee or cracking open a beer and finally putting the new LP(s) onto the turntable and reading the liner notes, production credits and lyrics... it was like a minor religious ceremony. A weekend redemption and possible revelation that helped in blowing off the stink of the past week. I miss those Saturdays but I still have all that vinyl to remind me of those special times.

[@LarsRyeJeppesen]

Bingo

[@alwaysopen7970]

CDs are still an investment.

[@meadow-lark]

Excellent point. Digital has done this to our photographs as well. It has cheapened them to a point that we ever sit down together to look at them.

[@carolmartin4413]

Old person here. Years ago we didn't have utubes and auto anythings to garble us. Musicians went into their garages, homes and studios. Through talent, hard work and love of their craft they created some of the best 'contemporary' music they could.

[@erin19030]

I still play my old 45’s

[@dalton3029]

People still do that. They just don't make music you prefer. The craft is still alive. People need to stop living in the past and learn to grow. If you love music you love music. Otherwise you probably just love like a handful of bands and couldn't care less about music as a whole

[@carolmartin4413]

@dalton3029 Hm. Inaccurate assumption. We listen to numerous bands. We still go to concerts. We are fortunate to live close enough to Summerfest so we see wide swathes of music and all genres of music. We have grandchildren that educate us by musical osmosis. We had our share of junk but less access to it. There are definitely more mediums today..which can be good or not. Ultimately it is up to the listener. We do enjoy today's talented musicians and respect the hard work they put into their craft.

[@KerryCahill-n2u]

It was the best of times to go to a garage concert 💕

[@wardkrause9022]

Keith Emerson said it all in an interview a few years agi before he passed away, He said that when Emerson, Lake, and Palmer were getting started, you had to be unique and different from everybody else. Now the recording industry only wants you if you sound like everybody else. New and fresh music is out there, but not supported by the record companies.

[@steveullrich7737]

Spot on... unfortunate devolution of the music industry.

[@jamesmcinnis208]

They should re-introduce "I Want to Marry a Lighthouse Keeper."

[@texvanwinkle]

Ward, hear, hear. I've been making this point for years now. You could never confuse the sounds of CCR, Rush, Abba, the Bee Gees, Doobie Brothers, Supertramp, The Cars, Sex Pistols, Blondie, et al. The homogenization didn't begin hitting Top 40 until the late '80s, in my view. And it was because, as you say, it was what was different that stood out. It didn't hurt that up through the 70s at least, DJs themselves could intro new music. The irony, as I pointed out in a comment of my own just now, is that to be "new and fresh" now, because of how so much of new music is constructed-conformed-almost by definition will sound more like music from previous generations.

[@texvanwinkle]

@@Spo-Dee-O-Dee Good points, and you're right, it's not as if there wasn't the same impulse to find bands similar to those that had become successful. But there was already then more diversity of sound for those follow-on bands to follow, and far more willingness and ability to allow for experimentation with new bands and, importantly, with new sounds. Pink Floyd didn't sound like the Stones or the Beatles, Aerosmith didn't sound like Pink Floyd, and The Band didn't sound like either. That allowed for a growing diversity of sound even as there was the inevitable "the next [Beatles, etc.]" impulse at the corporate level. That's the process that to me has been reversed in recent decades. There's drastically less experimentation and risk taken both in new artists, certainly in terms of radio play, and in the music itself, which has become increasingly homogenized, especially in pop and country. And the algorithms and, as you point out, industry consolidation, only reinforce all that.

[@deirdre108]

@@jamesmcinnis208 Clockwork Orange!

[@nick14braun14]

This is a great sign. Let the “music industry” die. The big labels have forced crappy music on us for decades. They deserve to fail.

[@joeseabreeze]

One thing we have going for us is that many people don't listen to the radio anymore and prefer to stream playlists instead. This gives the record industry (and iHeartRadio) less power over what we listen to. Now that anyone can write and record a song in their bedroom and get it up on Spotify, Apple Music, etc for $20 or so, the record industry has way less control. They keep pushing their artists like Bieber, etc, to make big bucks, but this won't last much into the future.

[@edbe7385]

I dont think they will fail, they're buying up rights to all the old music, its easier for them keep pushing the oldies than to find and put time and money into new bands.

[@Johnny_T779]

Yeah... Let them burn 😝!

[@Ricardo-dl4zl]

Labels bought all the old hits

[@nitedreamer23]

@@joeseabreeze Terrestrial radio is dying a slow death because they didn't react at all to this changing paradigm, i.e, the streaming services. While I'm for the democratization of the distribution process, there are literally millions of bedroom musicians who are clogging up the streams with, let's face it, stuff that just isn't that good. It makes it more difficult for true quality to get noticed. Not impossible, but just tougher.

[@not_who_you_think]

great art is timeless, pop trends are not.

[@thebeamerdreamer]

Very nicely put.

[@embracethesuck1041]

Take disco for example...

[@metaspherz]

I don't disagree, but the Beatles were a trendy pop band at one time too. It's all subjective what's considered to be timeless art and what's a pop trend.

[@thebeamerdreamer]

@@metaspherz I had the same thought but The Beatles is a rare case imo , they were a good mix of catchy pop music and very creative art at the same time. Not may artists have been like that since. Most of the time, timeless art becomes objective because it stands the test of time like Pink Floyd as compared to "Me" By Taylor Swift in 2019 .

[@tulelazule6914]

@@metaspherz not all boys are boyscouts

[@TheTurtle609]

I was born in 2001 and I do find music from the 70s, 80s and 90s better than today's music by far. I thought that I was just weird but now I see that I am not the only one feeling this way.

[@jeremyreid9582]

Sad … you have yet to enjoy the music from the 60’s !!! 😉

[@Pegasus_Gaming.]

Same here am 2001 my music interests start in 1945 - 1998

[@Dave5843-d9m]

My 12 years old daughter has the same attitude though there are a few goodies. Adele for example.

[@I_Have_The_Most_Japanese_Music]

It's not just you.

[@shawnpa]

I started to like basic music of 50s-90s. Pop music drove me there.

[@timretallack5411]

Rick, have you ever considered doing a “What makes this song terrible” series. It might help musicians to know what kinds of things to avoid.

[@WeeedyMcMeth]

There is a dude already that does “what makes this song stink”. They are pretty funny.

[@danteuk8024]

I thought he wraps those up into top ten songs on spotify :D seriously the problem is the majority of 'new music' is that makes radio or spotify lists is it's bland and derivative. New talent and great musicians do exist, just don't expect to find them on a radio or spotify top list!! go out and see live music performed for the love of music.

[@Dagh1]

As someone else mentioned, someone is already doing that, while also referencing Beato in them. I would guess Rick also wants to avoid becoming an "old man yells at clouds" meme.

[@gagadeconstructed8748]

Decide that for yourself

[@hyperdrive282]

@@WeeedyMcMeth yeah but he covers good songs

[@jasonbone5121]

My 13 year old nephew is always telling me stories about the Stones, an interview he was listening to from John Lennon, Led Zeppelin, etc. Blows my mind. There is hope!

[@theshapeexists]

Good for him. At his age he is a super sponge and he seems to be absorbing good music info. Keep giving him recommendations

[@frankmarsh1159]

Yeah they know than we did. We had a few magazines like Rolling Stone and we had the radio and a little bit on TV but for the most part we didn't really know a whole lot about our rock stars. I know far more about my favorite bands now than I ever did back when I was listening to them in high school...

[@1MIXERPILOT]

@@frankmarsh1159 No kidding. You Tube has taught me so much about bands that I have loved for years.

[@mikem668]

It's worth remembering that these guys were listening to a lot of older music to produce the new music. And many of them were self-taught.

[@Rocksider2525]

We have 6 boys and girl. They all know and listen to classic rock and have moved through the blues. It's a great thing when they come by and wanna talk music. They bought me a shirt for Christmas. "I may be old but I got to see alot of great bands". Gotta love what music can do.

[@bradforward850]

Mostly because old music was actually created by musicians and not computers. True talent can never be replaced.

[@petethetaper]

with lyrical meanings of life's journey and the 'trip' your in.. experiences can't be bought.

[@hedgehog5001]

Superb comment

[@IanIsrael]

All Of This!!

[@clairen4584]

Music has to have a soul... robots could NEVER write and connect that way. Too artificial, there's shallowness. Now, people 'without' an ear to perceive the real difference might eat it up? But that's like eating candy, and not a nutritious meal. Old English Baroque: 🎶If MUSIC be the 'Food' of Love.. (Henry Purcell) Write on.

[@loydkline]

❤️ oldie 1960s/ 1970s greatest music era ever

[@nighthawkde4522]

I was a teen in the 70’s. Bee Gees, Styx, Led Zeppelin. All kinds of music that wasn’t manufactured. Musicians paid their dues by playing anywhere they could. There’s a reason the younger generation finds this music and enjoys it. Good music is timeless.

[@maurice8824]

When all you hear is garbage at your place of employment and its fair to say you are working around toxic workers with no appreciation for real music .

[@gregvanpaassen]

All these artists had classical training before starting their careers. They knew musical theory. The Zep boys were also exposed to "world music", European, African and from the subcontinent. They had a deep toolkit. Modern artists....don't.

[@dhouse-d5l]

@@gregvanpaassen And u know Y? Computers, home publishing and no accountability... ie the internet. Back in the day you had to write melody and writing melody is a massive skill which very few uf us have.

[@matthewdennis1739]

I love all of the those bands...and many more classic artists from Springsteen and Dylan to Nicks and Black Sabbath. I also love Brian Fallon, The Decemberists, Sierra Ferrell, Jason Isbell, Charley Crockett, Greta Van Fleet, Marcus King, Florence + The Machine, The Black Keys, Lost Dog Street Band....etc. If you love music you can love music from different eras.

[@laurakenney100]

The loss of great radio stations & djs is another problem. So many bands had great relationships with locals & it helped them get discovered.

[@AndyGraceMedia]

Trust me as radio jocks we had to work hard to get those shows on the air. Even in the 1980s but especially from the 90s, radio playlists were all 100% researched with focus groups and call-out testing of 10 second song hooks. No radio programmers wanted those new music shows even back then and they were relegated to after 7pm and outside "at work" listening which relied heavily on familiarity/background appeal.

[@eiephants]

Blame the telecommunications act of 1996. It killed the radio... star. 😏

[@BackyardRonin]

Independent radio stations I find are now stepping up

[@markblanch2905]

@@AndyGraceMedia this. Is why community radio kicks stations like that's a*se Most commercial radio is a complete and utter waste/offense of our time

[@Neal_Schier]

@@AndyGraceMedia Interesting thoughts Andy. I came of age in the late '70s and was frustrated in the '80s by how programmed it all felt. I had no data to go by nor did I know anyone in the radio business, but it was certainly noticeable to the listener.

[@Johnny_T779]

Maybe we could look at this through a positive lense : finally, FINALLY, people are fed up with the tedious autotuned nursery rhymes they have been fed for the last 10 years! We music lovers have long since turned our back on mainstream soup and went scavenging for new exciting artists on independent mediums. And boy, there ARE new bands and artists, in every genre, who are excellent! They just aren't played on the radio anymore.

[@jayt6454]

Exactly Johnnylex. The radio has such a strict format. Either it's a classic rock station or a pop station that plays new music that all sounds the same. Even the rock stations play mostly old rock. It takes some effort to find new music that you like on the internet. Because there are so many unknown bands , it's over saturated

[@nitedreamer23]

@@jayt6454 very well put. There are many excellent new bands. The problem is that there are literally millions of bedroom musicians who, quite frankly, aren't very good jamming up the works.

[@waynecribb4922]

Nailed it !!!!

[@jackcrumling4781]

"Autotuned nursery rhymes" is the best description of modern pop music i think I've ever heard

[@HardRockMaster7577]

I'm too lazy to weed through the crap to maybe get to something great. I was a teen of the 70's, when some greatest rock music to be recorded and performed, was delivered to me on a "silver platter." Now, you want me to go and scavenge for great new music?? No... Hell no!!! Instead, I'll scavenge for unheard recordings from the bands and music in the late 60's and 70's.

[@fredkelly6953]

My son (19) and I have discussed this and his take is that because of accessibility music has fragmented into hundreds even thousands of different genres and subgenres. There is nothing that keeps everyone in the same place like the radio used to. So everyone is off doing there own thing, identifying with their own tribe. Mainstream music needs everyone listening to it to be relevant and that just ain't going to happen with so many options online today. So music isn't dying just the industry, good riddance.

[@orangetoes223]

Very well said. I love all the weird new artists that become viral in their own niche communities but never become mainstream.

[@ednicholson7839]

Actually the Industry is making a comeback. Everyone thought it was dying 10-15 years ago but streaming, increased licensing (eg your favorite 80s hit showing up in Stranger Things), live music (before the pandemic) and the comeback of vinyl has breathed new life into it. But much of that new business is based on the reemergence of the classics.

[@billolsen4360]

@@orangetoes223 Ahhh, niche, mainstream, genre & subgenre. You've got the music world by the tail, Cultof Cultof Cultof Ian

[@billolsen4360]

how mundane can you get? you'll be one of the authentic artists, Fred, if can ever get a career off the ground.

[@orangetoes223]

@@billolsen4360 what point are you actually trying to make?

[@natparry6995]

If good music is being made these days, there is definitely a problem with marketing because I certainly don't hear it. Granted, I'm 46 and relatively out of touch, but the glimpses I do get of new music leaves a lot to be desired. In my opinion the 90s was the last great decade of quality music.

[@MnyFrNthng]

Exactly what I think. 90s were the last decade.

[@GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER]

i'm 25 and i cant find it either. somebody please tell me where the fuck it is because it's so depressing to be a music lover in this era

[@mattwhite4302]

If you can't find good music, that's partially on you, respectfully. It's out there. KZbin in particular is a great resource for it. There's also an issue of it not being advertised as much, perhaps.

[@GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER]

@@mattwhite4302 Just point out a few artists for me then.

[@mattwhite4302]

@@GHOSTbirdnatureLOVER Right now, for instance, one of my favorite newer artists is Asif Avidan. His voice is unique, and not for everyone (I would compare it to someone like Cohen, whose voice is also different.). But lyrically, and musically I'd consider him top notch. Pomme, from France is another I enjoy..Laura Marling..The Broken Bells (the lead singer is from the Shins), Warpaint is another one . The Revivalists...Kaleo... There's also some older artists still putting out good work, like Nick Cave..heck, even B.O.C. had a pretty decent new album drop. Though they admittedly wouldn't count as 'new' artists.

[@randallbarron7608]

I interface with kids in their 20s, they're into older hard rock and metal. My nieces got into Heart, started learning how to play. Human beings respond to human beings making music with instruments and their voices. This has been true for thousands of years. Basically people don't like copying and pasting as much.

[@jongilbertson2106]

I have heard that the younger generation finds their music identity by choosing which era of old music they listen to. You like the eighties? I like the seventies.

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

You are 100% right. I'm someone who is heavily into 80s music and used to find the 70s a bit lacking in diversity and glitz. But when I heard "Magic Man" by Heart", it blew my mind. They are a band with great integrity and ability to work hard.

[@matthewdennis1739]

@@jongilbertson2106 I don't think that's true...or maybe I'm just too old (34). I grew up loving them all. I may have gone through phases where I was into one decade over the others, but overall I'd say my appreciation of the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s is about equal, maybe a little stronger for the 70s/80s.....though my absolute favorite artists have been post 2000.

[@Dirge4july]

That’s great news. People are showing that they are rejecting the cookie cutter highly polished mass produced garbage we mostly hear now. (I know there’s plenty of good new music.) Will this force record company’s to start embracing real musicianship and song writers ?

[@kodykindhart5644]

Hard to say Check super secret band out of Pdx while we decipher this brain buster 🤫🤫🤫🤣🤘

[@arglbargl]

lol nope they'll just figure out new and more annoying ways to squeeze every last drop of profit off of decades old art

[@ericmackrodt9441]

Probably not, that's why they are investing on a lot of legacy artists. Because they don't want to take risks, so their either do the cookie cutter stuff or they push old proven artists.

[@northernbrother1258]

There has always been cookie cutter highly polished mass produced garbage…we only remember the good stuff.

[@ramspencer5492]

It's not "great" until there are living avenues for new creative music! It's more heavily reinforced bottlenecks!

[@travishoovestol3938]

I’ll admit it that I have become so disenchanted by modern music that I have been deep diving more into older music and classic jazz.

[@keisi1574]

I innerstand you doing that. While, at the same time- there is TONS of new great music...in every genre...created every year...Period... Fact.

[@Ptpop]

Me too. Been listening to Jazz a lot.

[@afridgetoofar1818]

The last year I've been diving into the Blues. The old gritty stuff from 70-80 years ago.

[@francoisberkinjr5088]

You're not alone sir!

[@MichaelMaddog3584]

@@afridgetoofar1818 Go back 100 years. You won't be disappointed. Early early Dixieland Jazz doesn't suck either. Dive deep and hard and enjoy!

[@davids2218]

I was in college in the early 80's, Seemed every week i heard something new and amazing. I thought this is the way it would be forever.

[@lordkrispy]

New music is too engineered. Too produced. People want to feel a connection to the music the artists they love play. They don't want to try and fail to connect to what some huge mechanism has quantised and over-produced into oblivion. That's why older artists are staying popular. You said it yourself Rick about the 3daysgrace song (I think) in your Spotify Kickass Metal playlist. It was allowed to have space to breathe, and was all the better for it

[@theraven6836]

Bingo. Auto tune and group think in writing music. It’s all engineered bu committee. The Rolling Stones, Stone Temple Pilots, etc, could never succeed today.

[@jongilbertson2106]

I think music is a little too categorized. Every song has to fit in a certain pigeonhole so someone can go to a slow jam rap channel, for example, and hear a bunch of tunes by different “artists “ that sound the same. There is good new music out there, but it is hard to find. You have to seek it out.

[@maccagrabme]

I love the music I grew up with but get a bit tired hearing the mainstream stuff from the 70s, 80s and 90s as I've been hearing it for decades, I want to hear something brand new on par with that music but I don't hear much that sounds as good as the best music from those decades, maybe I need to keep listening but I just don't find it as timeless or satisfying. I cant listen to the majority of modern mainstream it sounds like its from a different planet, not Earth, I cant believe anyone can be human and like it.

[@clintfalk]

Too produced yes but cheaply and hastily produced. Phil Spector productions were expensive and lengthy endeavours just for a 45 single. Be used multiple studi musicians and did multiple takes until he got the right sound he wanted. High production values on low technology recording equipment. But amazing production.

[@jelau4851]

I like KISS music, Keep It Simple Stupid

[@willibold]

Starting around the year 2000, when it became relatively easy to listen to old music on your computer for free, I completely stopped listening to modern music and started going backwards in time. After playing out all the greats from the 80s, i moved to the 70s, and on and on. It only took me a few years before I had played it all out and moved on to classical music. For the past 15+ years I only listen to classical and romantic era music and I am still regularly finding great composers that are new to me. There's just so much great classical music, I actually still feel like I've barely scratched the surface!

[@blokcomNativeFaces]

It's amazing isn't it. I like classical music, from what I've casually heard, but I have not had the chance to really get into it so my knowledge of classical is extremely limited. I'm not surprised that you are regularly finding new stuff but at the same time I am astonished to hear that because in my mind I have no clue how much classical music there is. Similarly that's how I feel when I regularly find singers, bands and songs that I've never heard before and when I get to the point of "I think I've heard it all..." and then boom! I am constantly amazed and excited to find stuff all the time and in a variety of genres from the old days.

[@popoff7808]

My suggestion is to move on to older music from other countries like say Brasil. 60s music in Brasil is just AMAZING. African music in the 70s is funky as all hell. Why limit yourself to just western music in this day and age is what I say to friends. You can access music from all over the planet? Even classical styles that are not western based.

[@iggykarpov]

The 40s music is best. 1740s, that is.

[@Ifyernotawakeyet]

Aram Khachaturian from Armenia is amazing. Baroque composers, if you understand the period? Very thought provoking!

[@efrem1]

Big band is pretty good from 1940s.

[@kelvinpanesar6511]

I agree!! Autotune and Overproduction is the death nell for post 2010 music

[@Drobium77]

the other weird thing is that most people under 25 cannot tell that a song is autotuned and not sung properly, me at my age (44) I can tell a mile off and it sort of belittles the people who use it. Music is about talent not ease

[@volt8ge]

What is really strange is… popular music hasn’t changed since 2001. Not much difference between Britney Spears and Taylor Swift. I guess we lost boy bands 😂 If you think of the changes that happened between the 1930s - the year 2000, music changed every 10 years or so… this has been quite the stretch.

[@matthewdennis1739]

I would disagree, there's quite a bit of change between 2001 and 2021. The stuff of today doesn't really sound much like the early 2000s, it has it's own hallmarks (and most of them aren't good). The best music post-2000 is non-mainstream though.

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

My grandson (21) was working with me the other day, and I asked what he was humming... it was a Schoenberg Choral. One just never knows what is going to grab someone. He also listens to new music, Tom Waites, Dylan, Seal, and a whole host of others. He is trying to become a composer. Wish him luck.

[@hermannschaefer4777]

Lucky you, mine was humming Johann Strauss..

[@qotsajr]

Good luck!!!

[@badcornflakes6374]

Who wishes someone success? Pffft, couldn't be me

[@RAkers-tu1ey]

@@hermannschaefer4777 at least I understand Strauss. Maybe we could trade? Maybe not. I do understand Tom waites.

[@attackofthetheeyecreatures3472]

Good luck

[@VastKrutEmpire]

The core of the problem isn't even related to music. It's a general cultural decline. You see it in other areas. Films are a sequel of a sequel or a remake of a previous success. Books are a continuation of a lengthy series with the same characters rather than something fresh and new. We're in an incredibly stale period. Historically, such periods are usually the calm before the storm.

[@nicholashylton6857]

Personally, I do not mind serialized movies or books if that is exactly how they originally intentioned to be. Very entertaining distractions with little new insight into the human condition, but that is exactly what I eagerly pay for. What annoys me are the writers, producers and executives, who create material which is lackluster at best or blatant cynical cash grabs.

[@nicholashylton6857]

@@chazsmith20 Meh... If I want something with more substance I'll throw in "Goodfellas" (and b*tch about why Scorsese was shafted), "2001: A Space Odyssey", "Ghost In The Shell", or the legendary 'documentary' "This is Spinal Tap."

[@mastafull]

We're living in a time when anyone can produce a piece of art and release to the world through the internet. There's probably more creativity going on right now than ever before. It just isn't reflected in popular culture like it once was because the market is controlled by a handful of risk-adverse media corporations.

[@arevireba]

What's really interesting is that movies and music have been just so boring over the last few years. But television - there's a lot genius on the small screen right now. And that's the medium that so many people have looked down upon since its inception.

[@AlexSirota]

People are mostly lazy. Intellectually and culturally. But honestly it’s American culture that’s on decline. The rest of the world continues to innovate. America doesn’t rule what’s popular anymore.

[@94q45t]

I’m 71 and listen to music from various sources on daily 2 hour walks. There are frequent pleasant moments when new songs catch my ear. The surprise comes when research reveals the song is a couple of years old by artists I don’t recognize. I feel cheated, resent radio, and wonder what else I’ve missed.

[@kazkylheku1221]

One day in the naughts --- I can't remember exactly what year it was but between 2005 and 2010 --- I happened to be visiting a university campus for one reason or another. The walk from the parking lot cut among some of the residence buildings. One second or third floor dorm room window was wide open, and Europe's "Final Countdown" was just blasting out of it. You could hear it down the street. I was smiling to myself.

[@fraa888grindr6]

One way I know OLD MUSIC RULES is the FACT that the old music of my day (70s & 80s) that I wasn't particularly a fan of (80s pop) that I recognize now as exceedingly better than most current music. I've total respect for bands like Duran Duran now.

[@icouce]

Talking Heads - Remain In Light, 1980. The rest of the decade was inspired by that incredibly innovative album.

[@wwsuwannee7993]

Funny...I wasn't a fan of 80s pop either. But agreed...Most of it leaves Most current stuff in the dirt.

[@michaelgreene4816]

An example of this and I agree with you is that song "Waiting for a star to fall." I hated that song when I was 12 but now I love it. Thompson Twins, UB40, Dead or friggin Alive! Simple Minds. I love these bands now.

[@thehound5794]

There is really no point in trying to analyze this. New music is not played on the radio because most people don't like it regardless of age. Simply put, new music SUCKS!

[@robinsonrom]

There's a phenomenon where people appreciate music a lot more after it's been out for a while. Not sure why that is, maybe it's a nostalgia thing, or maybe we just didn't "get it" when it came out.

[@heathwirt8919]

There are thousands of reaction videos on KZbin and most of the people reacting are gen X, Y & Z. They are discovering music from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's etc. and loving it. Great music never dies.

[@jmorrisey79]

Know why there are thousands of them? Just like everything else these days.. a single idea gets some exposure and a million copycats jump in to capitalize on the popularity. Look how many dark story/scary channels there are now.. with the creator blatantly ripping off the same stories, topics and "eerie voice" of a creator that did it much better, first. Now, some of those reaction channels are pretty good. I'll admit I had to watch bunch to learn that because I thought the whole premise was lame. I was actually quite surprised that some actually knew what they were talking about and you can learn something from them. However.. just as I suspected.. most aren't concerned about the musical aspect at all and just want to make stupid facial expressions while they talk nonsense.

[@matthewdennis1739]

I'm Gen Y. I grew up on music from the 60s, 70s, and 80s. From Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen to AC/DC and Black Sabbath to John Denver and Jim Croce and everything in between. I asked for best of the 80s and best of the 70s CD collections when I was a kid. Most of the time I end up seeing those reaction videos I'm blown away they didn't know the songs. That is all to say that the music that resonates the most with me, the music that I listen to the most...is all from after 2000. I love the classics, but I also love the music of today, the music just below the plastic veneer the major record labels put up in the form of radio playlists and hot 100 charts. Brian Fallon, The Decemberists, Sierra Ferrell, Florence + The Machine, have all touched me deeply with their music and for me (since music is subjective) they are every bit as great and meaningful as Neil Young, Tom Petty, Dolly Parton, Kate Bush (who are all amazing btw). I don't know why people want to choose one or the other. If you love music you can love music from any time.

[@Harveevideos]

I mean, it makes sense. We now have to opportunity to listen to exactly what we want, how we want. Which has never been the case previously. "Good" and "persistent" songs are filtered through years and critical look back. Of all music that is coming out nowadays, it's hard to find the good stuff easily, while it is much easier to so for older music that has already been naturally curated. Just my 2 cents.

[@kevinchen1339]

good view

[@gjg8766]

Very good point.

[@glennmaillard5972]

Spot on.

[@mightynathaniel5355]

interesting thesis. Could also be some influence of distraction and social media, and other elements of modern technology and lifestyle, which all have an influence on artist and listener alike today.

[@franklee1205]

Good point👍... however, 🤔there is a LOT less VARIETY today in music today then their have been in DECADES... ✌️🙄

[@KerryCahill-n2u]

Old music has soul to it. Real instruments and so many heartfelt song writing. I hope old music rises up again!

[@stevenvox6549]

They can't appreciate it anymore because most don't have stereos. They have cell phones and social media instead.

[@gloriathomas3245]

very on point

[@matthewdennis1739]

Music with real instruments and heartfelt song writing still exist. Listen to Sierra Ferrell, Brian Fallon/The Gaslight Anthem, The Decemberists, Jason Isbell, Josh Ritter, Dave Hause, Charley Crockett, Lost Dog Street Band, Tyler Childers, Billy Strings, Molly Tuttle, Florence + The Machine, etc.

[@batteredskullsummit9854]

They still do stop generalizing

[@batteredskullsummit9854]

@@matthewdennis1739 He won't because he's a boomer who can't be bothered to look up things he's not familiar with

[@marksteelman7747]

I think you nailed it when you said that the algorithm is tuned to find songs that are similar to older songs. Computers aren’t creative, they just organize data. They look for a match.

[@manlybaker3098]

A computer's output is only as good as the program and the input. No room for the "random thought" or "sudden memory" or the "unplanned outside influence", etc. Band names are a good example: Buddy Holly and the Crickets, Marshall Tucker Band, etc.

[@ry.0]

Computers doesn't have any fault. That is on the person who uses it. Computer is a tool more

[@michaeldaniels8462]

I came up during a time when the music you listened to - and especially the music you physically "owned" - was foundational to your social identity, your choice of friends, and even your cultural values. I accumulated thousands of LPs, CDs and cassettes. The idea of "renting" music and streaming makes it more disposable - there is no incentive to dig deep and get value from the money and time commitment devoted to an album when you get it home. Bottom line is, today, the industry is just creating "product" at the expense of something that has cultural significance.

[@bmmaaate]

Yes. I still know all the words to the first ten LPs that I bought because I only had ten albums and I had to listen to them. Now I have 4000 LPs and I listen to a new album twice and then file it and forget about it.

[@keithferris9574]

It is really sad how meaningless new music is.

[@nitedreamer23]

so well put, Michael.

[@sanniepstein4835]

I was glad when music ceased to be identity (after adolescence) and just became music. I don't share most of my eclectic tastes with anyone I know, and that's fine with me.

[@KManLeos]

I agree completely, streaming and the dissolution of the physical media while having some great advantages has a profound downside as well. I remember buying tapes like Van Halen 1984, AC/DC Highway to Hell, Def Leppard Pyromania, etc and just staring at the covers for hours while flipping the tape from side A to side B over and over again. The limitation of the media actually enhanced the experience, because the frame of what I could see was very small compared to what I couldn’t see, thus my imagination was more engaged and the experience became personal for me.

[@sdsamara]

As an 80s baby who grew up on grandma’s Golden age country, Uncle’s classic rock, Dad’s Motown favorites, & mom’s 80’s new age/pop… I’m grateful to have received an appreciation for every style and decade of music. I love channels like this that try and give people the education surrounding the best music whether it be 40 years old or 10 years old. Also… LOVE the names Layla and Lennon 💜

[@salvadordollyparton666]

exactly... i live near nashville, so there used to be good country on the radio, but not after like the mid 90s, it got to be sexy tractor bs and now, ugh... but my dad got me into springstein, the beatles, garth brooks, b.b. king, my mom had all her old pop 45's, but i first got into rock with my uncle's old tapes and records. he died like 2 weeks before i was born in february '84. but that was where i first heard ac/dc, brian setzer, the police, zepplin. then, i found metal and southern rap, west coast stuff. i love all different kinds of music, all different decades. from mozart, to lead belly, hendrix to nirvana, queen, slipknot even though they finally seem to have begun their inevitable down slope, does not matter as long as it's good and has soul. which is what new music is lacking the most, soul and life experience. even if someone if a phenominal singer/musician. if your lyrics are stupid or i don't buy it from you as a person, i'm not gonna get into it. courtney love's a perfect example. even her voice cracks and everything back in the day added to it, because you could feel it and it fit. even though she never was a good singer at all, in the classical sense. but there are people now that can really sing, but they all sound exactly the same, the same little nuances. and they're all auto tuned and everything. it's just too manufactured and synthetic, even if it is "good" and they are really talented. all the singers sing just alike, country in some bastard amalgamation with pop and hip hop. it's just ridiculous.

[@salvadordollyparton666]

i mean, i know there are great new artists out there, but if i don't find them, they don't exist in my world since i never get to experience them. and that's the thing, the only stuff being pushed by major labels, is mediocre crap. same with movies and everything.

[@prongATO]

I’ve been going through my music collection and highlighting a 70s album every night on Facebook. IMO, the 70s was the single greatest decade for music, especially rock. There are so many amazing bands and albums and I never realized how 50% or more of my music collection is from the decade I was born in. (1973)

[@SJtoobsox]

My friends and I have been trying to compile the 30 best albums of the 70s. Try it..its tough!!

[@prongATO]

@@SJtoobsox oh I know! Things I didn’t realize, Van Halen started in the 70s, Hall & Oats were MUCH better in the 70s, ZZ Top’s best album was released in 1973 and so much more! The best 30 albums.. my word, it would be hard to narrow that down, even if you ONLY did rock and left out every other genre.

[@edwallace2828]

The period from 1965 to about 1973 was a golden era of music.

[@craigwillms61]

I agree. Every decade has its great music, the 70's just had so much more.

[@jasondonovan1408]

70's better than 80's? :P HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[@jackcrumling4781]

I'm 14 and I've been getting into older rock music and other stuff in the past like year and a half. I've lost interest in pretty much all modern music. I wish there was still a legitamate rock scene today but it'll never be the same as it was. Music isn't thought out poetry anymore. Its just soulless blah. I've been trying to make older sounding/inspired music and stuff like that. Its all instrumental for now, but I might expirement with lyrics some time if I ever get the confidence.

[@aleism5730]

there is. I'm around the same age as you and black country new road released a great album just the other day. also, yes there are great poetic albums coming out. listen to to pimp a butterfly by kendrick lamar. he won a Pulitzer prize for it

[@jimbelanger4594]

Wise and so young.

[@RickP2012]

I noticed this phenomenon about 3 years ago in my local guitar store in England. The kids were in there after school and every song they played I knew because they were what I played when I was their age in the late 80s and early 90s when the songs were new.

[@formerlyknownasanessential2623]

lol

[@leipherd8118]

As a 50 year old, it's frustrating trying to convince my peers that there's as good a set of musicians out there as I've ever experienced, you just have to dig to find them. The music industry seemingly died of bloat at the turn of the Century, but musicians are eternal! Ironically, I spent my 20s thinking Tim Buckley and Neil young were untouchable, but on my 40s have discovered some of my favourite of all time musicians, such as Jessica Lea Mayfield and Big Thief. Its not just the Music Industry, but wider media outlets to promote talent are gone Popular TV shows aimed at kids or at music obsessives are just not there, and culture is so fractured we aren't all experiencing the same picture to allow a band/musician to reach a wide enough audience. The internet should be making it easier, but since you get to self curate the internet experience, it's hard to catch enough ears.

[@matthewdennis1739]

@@leipherd8118 Ever listen to Brian Fallon, Jason Isbell, or The Decemberists?

[@cobradyne4059]

I can attest that there is a vibrant underground scene like SoundCloud and Bandcamp where amazing fans just pay us directly and bypass the entire label system

[@codzy3532]

im 60 my sisters grandaughter loves ku fu fighting song now thats old i find my own grandkids love the 70s music......they got good taste haha

[@ThePHCHIEF]

I’m so happy to watch Rick Beato become a true star. He is such an authentic person.

[@billolsen4360]

If he's really an authentic person, do not wish stardom on him, then.

[@edcliffe2988]

I have watched a number of "first listen" videos by a younger generation than my own. Many are totally blown away by progressive rock. I think that the length of many of those compositions kept radio stations from playing them at all, let alone regularly. Bohemian Rhapsody and Stairway to Heaven were rare exceptions, but their popularity was the epitome of popular music at the time. Now, people are individually starting their own channels, taking requests and sharing these songs with social media. Genesis ('70-76) and Yes among others are enjoying a new renaissance.

[@FatherAndTeacherTV]

Yeah, I'm always surprised when I see those reactions videos. Phil Collins had his "In the Air Tonight" get new attention a few months ago by a Reaction Video channel and it made the news.

[@lesliebeacom4567]

@@FatherAndTeacherTV Same with Stevie Nicks & "Dreams" being lip synced by the guy on the skateboard.

[@SspaceB]

Those videos are boomer bait. They force over the top reactions Bc everyone loves seeing someone hear a song they love for the first time.

[@lesliebeacom4567]

@@SspaceB LOL! Of course they are! But they're still a kick!

[@attackofthetheeyecreatures3472]

I can appreciate the genius of many of the bands with 20 minute keyboard solos, or 40 minute drum solos, or 60 minute guitar solos, or 80 minute bass solos. But, personally, I check out pretty quickly. I don't blame people for liking it or just not being in to it. The songs you mentioned I can play on repeat though.

[@ArtandtheResistance]

The new music being pushed regularly into the mainstream is so formulaic and sterile! I go back and listen to early rock because of the spirit of experimentation and risk-taking found in it. Listen to Derek and the Dominoes and you'll hear mistakes, sounds that would be deemed "unpleasant" and yet all this colors the raw nature of this music that launched the genre into the future.

[@sandybritton9284]

@@rl1275 I agree, that the 70s stuff we are usually listening to today is the stuff that survived as classics because it was so good, and it's a relatively small percentage of what was actually out there. But what can you point to now that will still be popular in 50 years?

[@milessolomon4575]

The data shows a somewhat different image of this because most of the old catalog music turns out to be from 2019-2017. what this means is instead of old music like decades-old being the driving force it's most likely the pandemic. music from 2017-2018 now makes up over a third of all music catalog sales. so rather than old music making a come back it's mainly just new music from that period. I don't know why many people took this data like ted did just to make it fit his music agenda. they're also flaws in his article like using the Grammys as a way to view how new music is doing. the grammy's were dying ever since they picked Macklemore over Kendrick and cardi b over Travis. also, an artist like juice wrld is a major pull in this data. this is because fighting demons(juice wrlds latest album) is doing worse than legends never die(catalog now) and goodbye and good riddance( which so happens to be from the driving years of catalog music). so in all this is all a major misunderstanding by ted and many others.

[@anthonycowan3481]

@@rl1275 difference is, is there’s more outstanding music from those eras that have become timeless. I’m not hearing anything post 2015 or so that will be timeless and praised 10-20 years from now. The bad stuff was as bad, but the good stuff was far better for the most part.

[@rl1275]

@@anthonycowan3481 Almost all of the songs we think of as timeless were not thought of that way when they came out

[@clairen4584]

I replied to @brad about robot generated music. It's shallow. Nice but without connecting to the actual soul. 'Like clouds without rain' .. Has a 'form' of researched and strung recipe-like chords lines.. But misses because composing lyrics notes, REQUIRES human WORK, the collagen from 'blood sweat and tears' to call in and connect to the psyche and soul. We contain a common bank of shared experience. Unique, to generations. That's the 'stuff' which seasons artistic expression. Electronic tickles the ear, but leaves pith and depth behind.

[@erichaskell]

Asked my grandson for some bands I may not know; appreciate his response but.......new music is simplistic beyond measure, rarely has a repeatable tune, more episodic, misses the mark that many, many 70s bands nailed. Nailed.

[@mbankslje0nk]

I am 60 years old I grew up in the 60s, 70s and 80s. I was building a stand for a fish aquarium with my 20 year old daughter. We were listening to a band Artic Monkey that she likes on her Alexa. At one point I asked her if the band was American or British? She looked at me and said that she doesn't know or care. I realized that was the difference between her generation and mine. I knew everything about the bands that I liked when I was her age.

[@matthewdennis1739]

Arctic Monkeys are British by the way :)

[@protoclone138]

A quality produced album is a work of art. I'm sick of albums being compressed to death.

[@TheDilligan]

Yeah it's funny. I collect vinyl and I know vinyl is technically of inferior quality to CDs or a good highquality lossless file. But people always seem to like the sound of vinyl better and they constantly say that it's "higher quality" when it isn't. And what that misconception/preference comes down to is that you can't over-compress music for vinyl as the lathe won't be able to cut it. So when you listen to vinyl, you get to hear a quieter, more dynamic master, with less low and high frequency hype.

[@protoclone138]

@@TheDilligan Ah, I did not know that! Thank you!

[@rugburnjunky]

@@TheDilligan Perfectly stated. It's not the medium it's the mastering. The limitations of vinyl are what often causes more care to go into its production.

[@davidgamboa918]

​@@TheDilligan😊

[@TwoWolves]

@TheDilligan. I've always thought vinyl sounded 'warmer' than CDs and digital in general.

[@GraniteSoundtrack]

I think one factor is that people are having less and less real life experiences too. That leaves people less and less inspired. You don't live you have nothing to say.

[@gscgold]

We live in a copy and paste world One person does something and everybody else copies it and puts it out as content and it all sounds the same.

[@chuckabbate5924]

Technology has been marginalizing humanity for a while. In all aspects of society,and most definitely in music. We live on our phones endlessly..My self included

[@michelsascha]

My thirteen your old daughter is now a huge Queenfan and i can tell her everything. And the best is few weeks ago she begann to hear Pink Floyd...yeah

[@CharlesDenison]

I often attribute not liking or appreciating new pop music to the fact that I'm now in my 40s, but I'm actually glad to hear that it's not just me who finds most new songs to be boring and uninteresting.

[@CousinCreepy]

It's also the personality behind the songs. Just watched the Behind the Music for Billy Idol, do have we anything like this guy anymore? Any new larger than life stars? Also saw the biography of the year 1984 - same thing, artists at their peak! Is the era of big stars gone for good?

[@paulraphael]

I think previous generations of old cranks complained that the new music was too loud, too brash, too offensive, too weird, etc. Now it's more like too boring. I feel like I've heard it all before, but in a somewhat less dumbed down form. And btw, I assume we're just talking about big pop hits ... the kind of things they play on the radio when I go to the gym. I know there are whole worlds of interesting underground music happening.

[@doctornova3015]

Not just boring , etc. But ... Unlistenable.

[@kai-leeklymchuk744]

And at the same time, too busy, too high-toned and shrill, esp for women warblers. Also remains extremely shallow and misogynistic. Extremely annoying. When is this phase going to pass? I can't believe how long musical strains that rose in the 80s and 90s are still around, essentially unchanged. Don't really have any high hopes for popular music in the future, when there are such low standards.

[@RYOkEkEN]

This could be taken out of an Beatles album review when they first came out

[@vandergod]

I’m in my late 50’s. I knew I haven’t listened to much “new music” for many years but just thought it was me turning into my father (so to speak). As rock fades and rap took over… as country started moving into more formula driven sound… I just retreated into the music that gives me comfort and satisfaction. There are a few things that I see new and enjoy, but I tend to settle into classic rock. That’s what I heard growing up. It was the music from my youth.

[@orlock20]

I listen to modern music, many of these acts have millions of views on KZbin but don't chart and are unknown by most people. I'm also in my 50s.

[@attackofthetheeyecreatures3472]

Please check out the underground scene. It isn't all dirty, politically fused insanity. A lot of it is stuff that'll blow you away. I think you'd love it. Try Th' Legendary Shake Shakers and Batmobile.

[@attackofthetheeyecreatures3472]

@Still Life Maybe that's true. But my parents only listened to stuff that plays in Walgreens. I didn't think I liked music until my dad put on a Paul Revere and the Raiders CD in the car, and I was like "WHAT IS THIS???" And it just snowballed from there.

[@citoante]

Its more like postmodernism has nothing to offer. Even the electronic music is basically the same as 20 years ago.

[@off6848]

@@citoante you’ve lost it. Modern EDM is nothing like old rave I wish old school rave and dark trance would come back with a new twist

[@scipio7]

To a degree, I think this is driven by the easy availability of older music through streaming. Bands and subgenres I wanted to explore in the 90s and early 2000s are now easily available -- so I explore them.

[@lilgreenmomo]

Definitely agree with this. Back in the day I had very little money that I could afford to allocate to buying music despite liking a lot of what was around, so I only bought what I was really really into at the time. Now I have streaming & an ability to buy more music. I'm buying old vinyl & far smaller 'cottage industry' new artist's releases, some of whom I have discovered through the Spotify algorithm.

[@Alkoholic666]

I’m

[@pleaserewind295]

It just makes sense you would listen to older music in the era of streaming. For the first time, you can listen to just about everything. Decades don't matter as much anymore when it comes to music.

[@jamesp8095]

Often I cant find songs on any streaming service mostly when digging through crates.

[@dannyv9117]

I was 17 in 1982... Wow was I lucky :) Music was everything! I was talking with a high school student at our neighborhood BBQ, and I asked what music he listened too? He said that he didn't , He listened to audio books... Yep. I get it.

[@faves36]

My 11 y.o daughters favourite band is The Beatles. She digs Dylan, and Pink Floyd. My nephew is 9, and his favourites are Dire Straits, and Motley Crüe. There is hope people 🤘🎸🥃💙

[@jefffudesco9364]

I think the opposite. When I was 9 the LAST thing I wanted to do was hear my father's music.

[@rossclifton2621]

I’m 22 and the Beatles have been my favorite for years. My dad is in his late 50’s so we always listened to the Stones, the Beatles, the Eagles, ELO, Fleetwood Mac and Clapton. My heart definitely belongs to the older music

[@athathsonty2925]

Hope for what?

[@prestwickpioneer3474]

That’s not hope that’s clinging to a past long gone and it’s not supporting new acts. So it’s literally old music killing new music. Why not support bands like Weyes Blood, Haim, Agnes Obel, Eleni Mandell, Jamila Woods, Field Music, Cinematic Orchestra, Clogs, Goat, Hannah Peel, Isotope 217, Jane Weaver, Jan Jelinek, Jenny Lewis, Sigur Ros, Martha Wainwright, Son Lux, Trembling Bells............

[@oopswrongplanet4964]

One thing not mentioned is the decline in local live music, mainly due to COVID. In my case, I used to hang out in clubs featuring live music, but lately have gotten out of the habit. To me live gigs are the forge from which new music evolves, not kids streaming from their bedrooms.

[@kamaboko1]

Live music has been dead in my area long before COVID.

[@newagain9964]

@@scottakam how much did it cost to see an act play live? Seems the last 10 yrs or so everyone charging at least $20

[@joshuawarkentin9199]

Same here, a lot of the venues have shut down because they sold the property to a developer.

[@pastureexpectationsfarm6412]

Mainly due to government reactions and shutdowns.

[@Ohbubbano]

Its a gift that some of us live in states that stay open, lots of people here in florida still hosting live music events

[@gregmason2760]

Things will change when the joy of writing great melodies which people find themselves singing comes back into fashion.

[@Britonbear]

When the old greys whistle, you know a tune has passed the test.

[@jeffreybomba]

No it just young people all bobbing their head to the same beat not matter what the song. Almost like communist brainwashing🧐

[@ClaireDelSol]

Kiss From A Rose - Seal …. I fell in love with it as a 4yo on a long haul flight ✈️, using those dodgy airplane radio stations and corded earplugs. Searched all the stations to hear even a glimpse of it again. Did on the next flight ❤️ About 6 years later at the age of 10 I heard it on the radio and immediately hit RECORD on my 90s radio/cassette player. Fast-Forward a few more years and I could FINALLY identify it enough to purchase the CD for my walkman. 20+ years later it’s as precious to me as ever 🥰 🎶

[@RockandRollWoman]

Record stores and mixtapes were an introduction to new music. Mixtapes were a one off for a special person or a special occasion. (Including an FU mixtape for the special a-hole in your life!) Playlists are intended to do the same thing, but sending somebody a link to an FU playlist just doesn't provide the satisfaction of forking over a cassette.

[@johnlarsen6077]

Being a little older, "Old Music" tends to remind me of better times, and in general told relatable stories...

[@jmmichael188]

I've been attending my daughter's high school basketball games for several years now and they are always blasting old school songs to get everyone pumped up! I'm talking Queen, Stones, Bon Jovi. etc. AND the kids sing along too! Never do I hear the top 20 trash that's on the radio or spotify.

[@matthewdennis1739]

Hmmm. Crazy

[@sciwiz57]

I just created a 60’s playlist- Beatles, Stones, Byrds, Cream, Rascals, Beach Boys, Tommy James…… and listening to these songs they had MELODIES!! I’m 69 years old and don’t live in the past ( old progressive rock man- YES, TULL, ELP, Floyd, Zep, Dream Theater, Steven Wilson etc. My point is it that it is unmistakable-the older songs had great melodies , rich vocals and innovation. All that matters today is money. Way back recording artists had to demonstrate talent to get a contract- not any more.

[@brettking1014]

“We’ve taken care of everything, the words you read, the songs you sing…” Temples of Syrinx…Eerily prophetic in my humble opinion….Great commentary Rick!

[@CheckDare]

Our rejection of so-called new music is nothing less than our rejection of a repugnant culture that is being forced into our homes and lives. It’s also a large reason why the cable TV industry is haemorrhaging customers. Old music isn’t killing new music. Talentless “artists” and nefarious special interest industries are.

[@robsternicol4499]

Spot on, people like Doja cat should be working in KFC

[@maxflow151]

You watch to many KZbin videos.

[@im_so_bored3896]

@@robsternicol4499 ehhhhh i'm not the biggest doja fan but i disagree, she has some good sensual music imo.

[@aleism5730]

@@robsternicol4499 I'm not a doja cat fan but she is a very good performer

[@zoniekat]

​@@maxflow151 Why not? As opposed to all the people spending huge amts of time on video gaming as well as streaming music. What is the difference?

[@jeremythornton433]

Part of the problem, I think, is because the music that is being promoted has had all of the heart and soul produced out of it. It sounds machine made. Not human made. Bands like Tyler Bryant and the Shakedown get next to zero plays but are 80 times better than most of the drivel that gets pushed. And to make it worse, for far too many young people, this is what they've learned to expect. Fortunately, when they suddenly do get to hear "real and natural music", (my phrase), they realize it's just better. Hopefully one day, producers and the people who decide what is good, (HA), will finally get their heads out of their collective asses and let "real and natural music" Be allowed to be played mainstream again.

[@flamethrower82]

yep, Melodyne and autotune have convinced a lot of dummies that they can sing. The ultimate test for me of an artist is when they're put on a live stage with no fixer effects. Let's see if they're still worth listening to without the effects. I'll bet most of today's hip-hop and R&B artists can't function without it. I don't even mind rap - I grew up with the NWA crew. I was mad as a kid that I didn't get to listen to 2Pac. I'd rather them rap if they can't sing.

[@DraevnnMotkova]

I listen to music of all kinds and anywhere I can find it. What I find is computer symmetized, auto-tuned new music which seems to be just generated for the dollars, with the hope that the masses will follow like sheep to the dollar slaughter. The mass media hype hoprs for the mass media, follow that sheep in front of you, must buy what everyone says is good. But what I see are current audiences listening to older music, or reworks of older music, counting on the younger listeners not aware that it's a rework of an old song (aka Luke Combs making millions off a retread off Tracey Chapman and getting all teary eyed when he plays it.) Marilyn Mason is known for doing covers (example, Tainted Love, by Soft Cell). What it means, perforners do their own stuff but always bring older music that is a winner and make it they're own to bring in the older crowd because new music doesn't live up to the expectations of people who have heard the older music. Classic music is value

[@wingman5985]

I don't listen to any genre of new music. I have however, put together a massive CD collection of my favorites that I bought from thrift stores. I can drive around or work in my shop and listen to exactly what makes me feel great and no commercials. What a time to be alive!

[@61guitbox]

commercials is why I don’t listen to radio !

[@JP-ve7or]

People laugh, but I prefer physical media I own over streaming services.

[@DDFreeman]

Wow...I just had that very thought recently, that people are going to turn back to the old stuff, like The Beatles. And speaking of The Beatles, let's face it, overall that band and music just beats all else out and ever will. Just doesn't get any better.

[@Zundfolge]

This is an issue that goes way beyond music and the music industry. We are in a Strauss-Howe third turning and probably very close to a fourth. Our culture and civilization are increasingly atomized and we no longer have a "common culture". In part because of technology that allows us all to be the center of our own echo chambers. So it becomes harder (if not impossible) for any one thing (song, movie, book, etc) to have any "cultural impact".

[@matthewcoombs3282]

We only had a "common" culture due to mass communications from the early 20th Century, when Hollywood and Tin Pan Alley sold film and music around the world through cinema and the phonograph. Before that every region had its own folk music idioms. Just look at the various types of Blues and Country music there was in American before it was standarised when it started to become recorded. Maybe it will go back to being like that. However online. Somebody in the UK and Croatia can dig the same music but in small online communities.

[@PMiller3425]

Hypothetically if everything else was the same, but only music didn’t exist on the internet and we still consumed it in the same ways we did in 1996, it would transcend this theory and it’s culitural relevance and innovation would have continued growing. The root issue isn’t attitudes, or culture, the root is the technology itself.

[@a2ndopynyn]

@@chuckhutch4104 Yep. About halfway through.

[@emileconstance5851]

There's also the very real possibility that popular music has played itself out, and so we simply aren't going to hear much new music that is in any way innovative or exciting. This same phenomenon occurred in classical music and jazz--they just had nowhere new to go, so they hit a sort of dead end. I'm a painter, and the same has happened w/ painting--there are more skilled painters than ever, but there are no significant breakthroughs, nothing truly new; instead, there are some very good paintings, but nothing that looks particularly new or different from painting from previous decades/centuries.

[@ricrox67]

As a dj on fm radio, (yes, an actual, on-air fm station) I spend about four hours a week listening to the featured new releases that AllMusic Guide publishes every week. As a life-long music lover, I've always believed that the best music at any given time is the music that is being produced in that time. However, sometimes going through the new releases can be very painful. Literally, I get a headache. It's not that there isn't good music. It's that there is a lack of OUTSTANDING music. AMG publishes about 10 to 20 new releases every week, but every week there are hundreds of new releases that don't make their cut. There is too much product to keep up with! Like Ted Gioia said, music is intangible. To me, it's like breathing. Everyone does it. From zero talent to Bach, if you have a voice, you can make music. It's hard to make money from music just like it would be hard to make money from breathing.

[@lionellatoszek9385]

Hey Rick I am an Aussie. Recently I was in a store where there was a young girl, maybe 18, probably working during the summer break and singing along to The Stones "It's only Rock and Roll" on the radio in the background. When I said I was surprised that she new the words she replied that it was the type of music she likes. I only realised later that the song probably pre-dates even her parents!. 🎸🎸If only she would pick up a guitar.

[@OneOfUsHere]

This is one of my favorite quotes from maybe 30 years ago written by a Russian music critic " Pop music is the ugly child of an unequal marriage between art and commerce." True then true now.

[@twotone3471]

I disagree. Take the Modern incarnation of the Beatles, Imagine Dragons. Pretty good stuff, generally. It is not that modern music is bad, but a combination of factors, like the splintering of music genres, where talented artists play in neglected niches like Bluegrass Revival (The Dead South, Steve N' Seagulls) or are making money catering to a established Genre like Country, which has become stagnant in recent times, not having gotten over the popularity of Garth Brooks. There are plenty of good bands/musicians out there like Gorillaz, or The HU, but one has to find them, discover them, and like Penatonix or the Piano Guys, you just might find something special.

[@Spuzzmacher]

And yet, occasionally art makes it through. And then The Machine pounces, & its back into the cycle I guess.

[@jkb1O5]

Great One!

[@OneOfUsHere]

@@twotone3471 I read that shortly after many bands were ripped off by management. Pete Hamm from Badfinger committed suicide because he went to the suits and asked for money. They told him there wasn't any and I saw the writing on the wall. Yes there are hundreds of talented people making music. But they have to go about being heard in a completely different way. No more A&R men.

[@twotone3471]

@@OneOfUsHere I was a DJ 25 years ago, on a live show. We were told to stick to the playlist given to us. Having the right people promoting you meant you made the playlist. Didn't matter who sent me a tape (this was before Internet) as I could not play it on air without losing my job.

[@timb350]

"...the music industry has lost the ability to discover and nurture their talents..." BINGO! Someone somewhere somehow has to coordinate on a local, regional, national, and international level to build new talent. As Ted says...there IS lots of talent out there...they just don't have anywhere to go (list on spotify...along with ten million other artists...a losing strategy if there ever was one). Back in the day...a band could build a local following, a regional following, a national following, an international following. Not anymore. Everyone feeds from the same trough now (spotify...apple..etc.)...and most of it is sludge. Don't know what the answer is ...but it's not the lack of talent (and it's definitely NOT tik tok).

[@lesliebeacom4567]

Perhaps the rise of national, and international, talent shows (like American Idol) are helping to literally provide the stage for these younger artists. Granted, to get noticed on these shows they all have to primarily cover someone else's music, but I would never have been exposed to Chris Daughtry, for example, if I hadn't watched. Personally, I'm not a big fan of these shows, but every now and then there's a real gem found!

[@davidmiller9485]

yes because without the music industry we would never have had "developed" musicians. /s I really wish you people would get over the notion the we HAVE to have a corporate music industry. We can do it better with out them. Granted it also means we actually have to do it. (which is another problem the public has)

[@lesliebeacom4567]

@@gettyshiloh And that's why I rarely watch those shows. But I do watch if someone whose opinion I respect tells me about a young, new talent. Then I'll check it out.

[@sirwinston2368]

Early Bob Seger - sells out in Detroit, barely has an audience in Chicago (June 76). That man paid some dues to become a superstar and he started out local and built a fan base until he became a national act with the release of Night Moves in late '76. I love Seger. Saw him at Cobo in 79/80.

[@dgoldstein]

The music industry also is less motivated to nurture talent. They do not even support new artists in their goals to come out with debut albums. Artists are trying to create their own brands without much help, but the industry itself gets just as much money from streaming 50 year old music as 1 hour old. When albums/singles were being sold, new music meant new sales. Older bands simply had no relevance to the labels unless there was product.

[@RoryMcIntosh-gv5cb]

Music between 1996 and 2010 sounded so much better then music today. Seems like all artist today are making covers from this era.

[@debilarge]

Rush didn’t get real success until their 4th album 2112. That doesn’t happen anymore, where a label (if that even exists anymore) wouldn’t give a new band 4 albums to find their audience. If they can’t get a hit out of the box, they are dropped, right?

[@christown2827]

Island Records released four albums by Mott The Hoople before dropping them and they were signed by an even bigger label CBS Records. That sort of thing couldn't happen today.

[@RockHudrock]

And even then, chicks never like Rush.

[@MazeMouse]

To be fair, Rush did have it's "hit song" with Working Man to float them into a label contract. The next two albums just didn't really do that well. Rush basically did the "well, if we're going down we might as well go down swinging" and went all in on 2112 against the wishes of their label (who wanted a more "commercial sound"). It could just as easily have blown up in their faces. If that had happened they would have been yet another one-hit-wonder deal.

[@tigershoot]

Bon Jovi only really hit the big time on the 3rd album. Bryan Adams too. Imagine that now.

[@gavinreid2741]

Bowie didn't have a hit album until Ziggy Stardust, his 5th album. Many consider his earlier albums among his best.

[@Jakzeen]

Aside from the many points others have made. I wonder how much has to do with the lack of shared musical experience with todays music. Shared music used to come from the radio or MTV, now everyone is listening to their own play list and music is much less social then it used to be.

[@mindtorquemusic]

I completely agree. I miss sitting around with friends and really listening to music. I remember many times just kicking back with mates and diving into the music. Great days of my life.

[@Zzyzzyx]

YES.

[@jukip1485]

Yep. I don’t really know anyone that likes the same music I do in current stuff......but at work if we put on old music everyone no matter what age is singing to at least something.

[@terrencedeagle4429]

Most bands did not become overnight sensations. They had to pay their dues by playing in bars and a lot of unwanted gigs. They were honing their musicianship and spreading their music down to the grass roots. Now, a group is expected to be superstars right out of the gates.

[@doubleddbeat3418]

Its a long way to the the top for the one who rock n rolll

[@wolfpat]

You're exactly right. Those bars and roadhouses were the music industry's "Minor Leagues". Now those bars are gone. Where can musicians hone their skills now? Where can they craft new music and musical forms now? These places went away when the drinking age was raised to 21. That took the biggest chunk out of the bars' clientele, and they were then unable to stay in business. Music can come back if they lower the drinking age back to 18 again.

[@darkjedi447]

@@wolfpat completely agree with you!

[@syntaxlost9239]

Even if the bars came back you wouldn't get very far. Those gigs still pay nothing but rent has been consistently rising for decades. Now, it's pray the algorithm gods bless you with virality.

[@syntaxlost9239]

@Daniel Drader Well, they're not real estate companies. I'm sure things like kickbacks are common with larger venues though.

[@Samantha-vlly]

Your reason for creating this channel is tremendously helpful. I'm thankfully exposed to mostly old music and this channel expanded my love of music. The only thing stopping me physically is I don't have an instrument😅

[@pmprajwalmaheshwari8046]

I really think that lyrics makes a huge difference And its high time we realise it

[@jimmieerickson3598]

One big record label thing these days is that the power and art dynamic has shifted so far towards the producer, that a lot of the actual music that is going on is covered up in production. I remember myself and other music listeners being really sensitive to overproduction. IMO it’s one of the main reason a lot of people got sick of Metallica post Black album despite how a lot of their songs were still good. It was like everything got a bit too streamlined and perfected to the point where it lost that unpredictable “rock” element. It’s also the reason why a lot of people never liked and still don’t like bands like Toto. Sure, everything is played and sung technically perfectly, but it’s just too squeaky clean and produced to sound like badass rock. Same thing I get from hearing Adele. Everything is just so damned perfect that it sounds like it’s made by a large group of ultra-professionals in suits on auto-pilot. I’d rather hear Smoky Robinson singing into a mason jar with a few tiny cracks in his voice on some of the high notes. It’s just more human and what true music is to me. Producers should be clever assistants, not sanitizing and distilling everything to oblivion

[@keithferris9574]

@@marysweeney7370 I think the 90's sounds overproduced to someone used to 60's music because of the advancements in gear and technology, as well as techniques. Many of the musicians from that era would agree with you about their own albums. I personally love the sound of the 90's grunge recordings. To my ear it's just enough production. A deft producer takes a song and makes it something more than it could be without him, while not killing the vibe.

[@peejay1981]

Yeah, totally. Half the time when I find a good song I go and find a live performance on KZbin and rip the audio from that because I generally like the "imperfect" live version much better than the studio version.

[@maccagrabme]

I can't name one modern mainstream artist I like.

[@orion681]

I wouldn't say nobody likes Toto. Those guys were the cream of the crop as far as musicians with great technical prowess. The reason the guys in that band were also studio musicians and appeared on most of the pop albums (that had live players) is because they were the best of the best. Jeff and Luke are some of the most profoundly versatile and talented guys to ever walk into a studio. But they were human and so were their recordings. They still sound human. The Black Album was full of cuts and punches....like Lars can't play through a whole song without fucking up, so they literally had to cut and splice tape to get the sound they got. That's corny. Toto just played their parts really well. They were cheesey but they could play their asses off. That's not to say their songs weren't a little corny, but the overproduction of that era pales in comparison to that of today.

[@Pulse2AM]

Yep, and as a listener when they cut and paste the same perfected chorus to all the choruses in the song you hear it a few times and lose interest. It's the anomalies and mistakes that keep people engaged. When you hear something new in a song after hearing it 50 times, that's what the old way of making records brought. The shelf life of todays music is measured in months not years.

[@benschafer1660]

There’s a radio station in Australia that does a “hottest 100” they played last year’s “hottest” tracks but then they played 2001’s hottest tracks the day after (on their online station). I can tell you now the level of heart and musicianship from 2001 that is lacking in 2021 is ridiculous.

[@BD-yl5mh]

I feel it’s also worth pointing out that the Wiggles (yes, that wiggles) took the spot with a Tame Impala cover (for a special covers segment that same radio station runs), and that Tom Cardy, a comedy musician on KZbin, took 2 of the top 20 spots

[@stereofidelic67]

apart from King Giz (naturally)

[@fortheloveofmusic860]

Here, in The Netherlands, a radio station, about ten years ago, thought it wise to change from a broad variety of music genres to just new pop and r&b/hip-hop. They went from the most popular radio station to the least within two years, from about a share of 13 to just over 2%.

[@TheKnobCalledTone.]

@@BD-yl5mh to be fair, The Wiggles are iconic and "Elephant" is about 5 years away from ending up on Triple M's playlist. No wonder it won.

[@Quadrant14]

@@BD-yl5mh I saw them do it, and not a bad effort for such little effort

[@Bagelrob399]

I am' 60 and I have to say that older music was just better. A lot of this new power pop sounds all the same to me. What I think is modern technology has allowed non musicians, like singers that can't sing in tune, so yhey correct it with auto tune. Back in the 70s & 80s you either sang in tune, or you got away from the mike. The musical talent just isn't there any more

[@jimyoung9262]

I'm actually glad for this. Soulless corporate art machine is getting what it deserves.

[@562mjohnson]

Well put

[@liamobrien6044]

Exactly. Bandcamp, SoundCloud, and even Spotify to a certain extent has terrorized industry heads by allowing anybody to post whatever they want and make money. Fuck the money men. Art is in the hands of the people.

[@AimHigherWindowCleaning]

It’s the listeners that suffer ultimately though. To quote Jurassic park I guess ‘good music will find a way’

[@maddogmusicproductions61]

Absolutely agree

[@markblanch2905]

@@liamobrien6044 the likes of spurtyphi terrorises musicians as it's possibly the worst thing that's happened to music/musicians in history. Parasitic theft

[@RWSCOTT]

One of the big marks of loss of identity (in the electronic age) is *nostalgia* -Marshall McLuhan

[@Trendyflute]

Nostalgia is literally a fear response to retreat to known comforting things. When society is experiencing mass nostalgia, there's big problems. And one of our big problems is how fast technology is outpacing human empathy. The breakdown of the music industry's validity to the human experience is a symptom of that.

[@sethfleishman5346]

McLuhan is the key that picks the lock of our times.

[@jefffudesco9364]

Excellent quote. I see fathers in my hood pushing 45 year old meaningless 2 minute ditties down their kids throats and to me it is some kinda death knell.

[@michelesmith2620]

Dude is overrated. The best thing he did was a walk on in a line on a classic Woody Allen film.

[@sethfleishman5346]

@@michelesmith2620 What is his rating? How is it measured?

[@scottlaird5634]

When I was growing up, every other block had a group of guys banging around in their parent’s garage wanting to be the next rockstar band. It was a natural offshoot of what we experienced in our high school band and choir. We were taught to love the creative process of music. In the years since, music education has been de-emphasized and in many cases eliminated from our culture. I can’t help but think that society’s failure to provide this important training and appreciation of all genres of music has led to a cookie cutter form of music that is uninspiring and frankly, boring. It’s not surprising that so many of us are nostalgic for the music of past decades. There is un-tapped musical talent present today. But I’m afraid our culture doesn’t nurture that talent as we once did.

[@erin19030]

We sang in the tunnel by the RR Station to get the echo effect.

[@j.dragon651]

@@erin19030 The bathroom at one place I worked had a reverb to die for.

[@leonpittman7329]

Due to my influence with my 14 year old son his favourite band is The Beatles. He also likes many other bands but most from the 60s and ending with Grunge. Last summer we went to two concerts, Paul McCartney and Pearl Jam.

[@former_dmcrt8614]

Ok, I'm going to come out and say it. Say what most people are uncomfortable with saying for fear of being labeled as some ....ist or something. The influence that Hip-Hop has had on pop(ular) music turned out to be more of a curse than a blessing.

[@markpalmer8083]

McCartney can't sing anymore, unfortunately. Introduce him to Eros Ramazzotti. That is music and singing.

[@derkeheath5172]

I introduced my daughter to Gorillaz, Flaming Lips, and MGMT and she introduced me to Death Grips. I consider that a fair trade.

[@matthewdennis1739]

@@derkeheath5172 MGMT are so good. My children are just babies really (all under 4) but I'm already acclimating them to good music ;)

[@CarloGuitardello]

Labels haven't lost the hability to nurture new talent, they have lost the incentive $$$$

[@tdz69]

He hit the nail on the head.

[@frankmarsh1159]

We are down to the big three now. Sony, Warner, and Universal control about 85 percent of the market. They are the gatekeepers. Add to that the 1996 Telecommunications Act which allowed the big media companies to buy up all the radio stations and you have a pretty much closed system now.

[@MrGiorgioud]

Wow. From one Gen X-er lifelong musician steeped in all genres to another: you're an inspiration, man!

[@kimpelalltheway51]

My kids love 80s rock. They were aghast when I explained I was their age when the songs were released, and that in the present day those artists are the same age as their grandparents. In the 80s I certainly wasn’t listening to 30s and 40s music.

[@misterknightowlsguitarrant6984]

While this is true, if you had the ability to find and listen to that music as easily as kids do today you might of lol.

[@ClockCutter]

@@misterknightowlsguitarrant6984 I doubt it. The music from the 30s and 40s did not sound like music to kids growing up in the aftermath of the 60s/70s. Me and my peers did though listen to a lot of 60s music. Doors, Stones, Hendrix. Surf music, like the Ventures.

[@alfatejpblind6498]

@@misterknightowlsguitarrant6984 Doubt that bro.

[@H3avyHaul3r]

in the 80s (my teens) 60/70s rock just wasn’t something i wanted to listen to..it wasn’t till my 40s that i really was able to appreciate Led Zeppelin….and I’m grateful for that, it provided a whole new world of listening

[@susanaltman5134]

When I got tired of new music in the lates 80s, I started to listen to music from the 30s and 40s. A lot of great music there!

[@anthonywhelan5419]

My 16 year old loves ABBA, the Beatles, the Beach Boys and ELO. We live in Australia. Her friends like the old music too.

[@matthewdennis1739]

Since when is liking old music indicative of anything though? I grew up loving old music and current music. I didn't like Black Sabbath, Elton John, Stevie Nicks, and John Denver because I didn't like the music when I grew up (90s). I also loved Matchbox Twenty, Third Eye Blind, Pearl Jam, even Alanis Morrissette and Natalie Merchant..... I liked it all, and liked the variety of mixing things up depending on my mood and the circumstances. All of our children should like old music...and new music. That's part of being a well-rounded person.

[@blutey]

Don't know if it's the same in the US, but in the UK there used to be a weekly music show called Top of the Pops which ran from 1964-2006. People watched it and aspired to be in a band like their favourite groups which all competed to be no 1. With this gone now, so has a lot of new talent.

[@markpalmer8083]

Yes. The BBC has a lot to answer for. It has gone from bad to worse and is now no more than a propaganda department of the government, devoting countless hours to the fact that the World is burning up into a fireball and we all need to be controlled, restricted and go back to the Stone Age, to save it.

[@stratman2348]

In the US, there was American Bandstand which was similar, it ran from from 1952 - 1989.

[@jamesmorgan2064]

I'm from the USA and am very familiar with "top of the pops". It's a different time now. Kinda sad

[@kenr86]

My personal view is TV shows like "America's Got Talent" killed music development. Before, you would get together with some mates, work on crafting songs, play in local pubs and bars, refine your skills... now, a TV show can try to 'create' a talent. As Ringo Starr sang, 'you gotta pay your dues if you wanna sing the blues'.

[@mmazz30]

I wrote the same reason....reality tv killed music as the tv stations own the radio stations which own the reality contestants.

[@ronnelson7828]

And you know it don't come easy

[@crazyralph6386]

Exactly. All we have today are glorified karaoke singers that meet a certian checkbox. No real musical skill whatsoever.

[@eiephants]

American Idol in the 2000s had such a bad influence. Some stars came out of that but I can count them on 1 hand.

[@williamstefens]

And the next line of that song is, "And you know it don't come easy." Bands like The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, the Doors, the Stones, The Who, Chicago, etc worked hard creating the music we called classics, and they put their passion and creativity into their music, laying it with different chords, rehabbing instruments and vocals to get more depth to the music. And, although they may not all have known music theory, they had a vision of how they wanted their music to sound, and they worked to take their special sound and style to new and more complex placed, often bucking what the cookie cutter music industry wanted them to put out.

[@thewindupsweetheart]

one of my issues with the music landscape is that there are so many new songs which are currently in smaller "niche" markets, that - if given the airtime - could actually be modern classics

[@devernepersonal3636]

thank you for saying it. their are entire bands that could be huge that will only ever have a deticated core following, but not large enough to be known everywhere.

[@bassface876]

I completely agree, the over "genrefication" of music is killing it, I know tons of people who will completely write off groups or band based on genre.

[@bassface876]

I've been waiting for you to talk about this group "sleep token" not new new but since I discovered them recently I can't stop listening to them. Such a great example of how this industry is with groups that try to be different, different being not beholden to a single genre or style.

[@gregmullins6927]

Spot on!!

[@NEEDSHES]

Great music always finds the way) the sad thing is that people who wrote it could be long gone 🙁

[@joshuablack8221]

I am 38, and great up listening to my parents’ records, and I have been saying since 16 that the greatest decade in music was the 70s 💯🔥

[@HardRockMaster7577]

You Are Correct Sir ! !

[@briandaniels4605]

Correct. 70s teenager.✌️

[@nirmalsuki]

Rick, your channel is not merely A music education channel... It's THE music education channel.

[@brucewilson1958]

There is a longing for substance, music that elegantly defines social problems, and offers practical solutions. Longing for literacy in lyrics. Melody and Harmony. Instrumental skill. Trained, passionate singing. Originality.

[@lynneclarke6265]

Music has become a ‘product’ these day - talent doesn’t seem to play as much of an important part now, it’s all publicity hype and auto-tune in search of an actual catchy tune. Of course, there are exceptions and they are great but, when you tune into a channel playing current new releases, nothings grabs your attention or they just plain grate on the ears.

[@henryvaneyk3769]

My son (21) listens mostly to old music. I regularly hear him listening to Journey, U2 and other rock from that age.

[@joaosilveira6038]

That's because your son was educated towards quality music