Riese & Müller Load Review

[@TheFlowinflo]

Chris, you hit a high bar with that clip. Very informative, info presented in a calm, well structured way. The picture quality and camera angles you chose were top notch, too. Once you figure out the sound issues (fine with the intermittent dub) your videos will be top of the line. I really enjoyed this clip even as a r&m owner who aleady knew a lot about the bike. Keep them coming!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks so much! Unfortunately they changed the motor system after we filmed the video so I decided to dub the audio instead of leaving the wrong info. Thanks again for your feedback and I always enjoy reading your posts.

[@satokiyadeepak007]

this is what i wanted to write but you mentioned all the same words .

[@johnkordyback7878]

I’ll be honest, I am putting money away every month for this bike. Thanks for the detailed and incredibly useful review.

[@Propelbikes]

Super cool! Definitely a great way to go! My personal favorite!

[@alikakee]

Hi John, It is worth EVERY penny mate! Wishing you get yours soon. A very rewarding investment!

[@Nohandlebarshere]

These are so good we had to get a second one because of the fights it would cause between wife and I over who gets to ride.. true story (I got the 75 tho 😉)

[@northeastcyclist1507]

Did you end up getting the bike?

[@nhw3030]

Great stuff. Glad you started your own channel.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! Glad you like it 😎

[@randygpetersen]

When He says car replacement he means it. This thing comes in at a minimum of $8099. That is firmly in the "Why-am-I-buying-this-instead-of-a-car" territory.

[@twelfthsjustice7562]

The answer is because it replaces the care and has a lower amount of other costs as compared to a car.

[@nonegone7170]

$8000! Wow, that's almost as much as yearly fuel costs for a car alone!

[@elevenAD]

my dream bike! the one 14:00 is droolworthy! color looks almost like seafoam green,love it!

[@Propelbikes]

Such a cool bike! I’m colorblind so I didn’t notice the green, but all I know is R&M does a great job with their colors. Love the Load though!

[@Propelbikes]

The Load has had some awesome improvements since this video was published! If you're interested in learning more about this or other Riese and Muller bikes, check out the links in the video description.✌

[@wallstquant]

Great video. I love the production quality and you're super informative. Keep up the good work and I can't wait to give my pack 40 a ride around Chicago. (edited load -> pack)

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks for your comment! I’m glad that you enjoyed the video :) Do you own a Load now? It’s really my favorite bike.

[@wallstquant]

Propel I just ordered it from the California store shipping to Chicago. I'm excited.

[@Propelbikes]

Very exciting! You got the Packster 40 Vario HS. It’s quite a nice bike!

[@jackieyoung3359]

LOVE this bike as it seems like a great option to bring my dog along with me!

[@Propelbikes]

This bike is very popular for that application. Some people carry multiple dogs, especially in the Load 75.

[@NonfictionFilmmaker]

I like the way you did this video with b-roll of you riding other channels didn’t do that.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. We have kind of made this part of our process for videos. I also think it works well.

[@karlschwab6437]

The 6 month ago post before mine here, says it all! Great video again! Keep 'em coming!

[@TheJackDakota]

Chris you make this decision vey hard, again a suburb presentation!

[@dehoedisc7247]

The use of the term "brakelight" or "stoplight" is Finally in your vocabulary. I remember when Cort would say "Look at this, the tail light gets Brighter when the brake lever is pulled"", carefully avoiding the term. (Apparently to distance an e-bike from a scooter or moped, which have always used the proper term of brakelight.)

[@conorhanley9009]

Loving the new reviews sir 👍 I have a 2018 r and m load 75 would love to see a review of the new version of same, a quick question is there any way I can charge my I phone it has kiosk ? Keep up the great work

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Conor! The Load 75 is awesome! I hope to do a review of the new one soon. It’s effectively the same as this bike as far as options, with the exception on the box area. You can charge your phone with the Kiox Display though, you’ll need a micro USB cord to do it

[@ryansager6100]

How is the load 60 and 75 measured? Is this measurement the length of the cargo area floor in centimeters?

[@danaharlan12]

Hi Chris, I would like to have that reviewed bike most of all. I’m not sure about the Rohlloff hub option as I’m an old school biker and I'd like to check with you on that as I live 4 hrs from you shop also I like the belt drive quite a bit and chain service take so much time but I like the smoothness I get with Rock N Roll lube.standard ebike derailleurs. a more modest box maybe and no child seats, but a rear rack. That would be a great bike for me. Will want knobby Smart Sams. Excellent job on this video. Thanks!

[@jakeroadtonowhere4070]

that is amazing if I could afford one of them i give my car tomorrow awesome video thank you

[@alikakee]

Hey Chris, why hasn't other cargo bike makers have followed the front and rear suspension? Has R&M patented this particular bike frame with the suspensions? Another awesome and informative video!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Alika! I don’t believe this is patented, but I will say that this design as with much of R&M designs are challenging to execute on. They are true innovators and often imitated, but never duplicated as we like to say. They started the company by designing their full suspension folding bike the Birdy and this set them on the path to do continue to push the envelope. I think most companies aren’t willing to invest in the required engineering time and money into making something like this truly successful. These bikes are designed and imagined by real riders and they aren’t made just as a business opportunity, but rather a bike that they want to ride. In short, the business opportunity might not be big enough especially if a new player would need to go up against them.

[@alikakee]

@@Propelbikes Thank you Chris! Well answered, I must agree. R&M has set a very high bar to follow. It would be very interesting to see if another company decided to duplicate some design aspect to their cargo line in full carbon fiber frame. Curious on how will that affect the current overall handling and longevity of the battery life. Could potentially increase a higher level ride experience...

[@tim_mclerran]

Thanks for the very useful review! I got to ride a Load 60 today, and I thought it handled beautifully compared with the Packster 70 and the Urban Arrow Family. How does the handling of the Load 60 compare to the Load 75?

[@Propelbikes]

The Load 75 is very similar, you just need to take turns a bit wider and it's a bit less manuverable because of this. It's not a dramatic difference at all though.

[@BubbafromSapperton]

Now that's a nice ride 👍👍👍👍👍

[@Propelbikes]

We couldn’t agree more 😊😎

[@Rocksolidyt1]

Hey Dude, nice video! By looking at the lockable highbox, it looks like the lock can just be added as an accessory on top of the box and manually lock it. I am considering the canopy option but dont want to trade the lock of the box. Will that be possible?

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! Glad you liked it. The lockable top is an add on to the high sidewalls. The trouble is the top is bolted on so it’s not so easy to use those two together. I can see if that is possible and get back to you.

[@JohnCampbellmarleybikes]

Is there a single adult seat?

[@vilago5]

This has sort of been my annoyance with most cargo bikes. They really push this whole “carry your kids” angle but what about people with no kids and a partner that doesn’t like to bike???

[@Propelbikes]

This is a great question. You can run the single child seat in the middle, but there isn’t necessarily a single adult seat. Most of my passengers are adults, most commonly my videographer Tara. I think this would be great to come up with a solution for.

[@C0deH0wler]

The variant with the Speed motor is a cargo moped.

[@Propelbikes]

That’s our favorite one!

[@korneliuspagels]

Love this bike and your videos in general :) I am looking to attach a bike trailer on my load 75 rohloff but can't find out if it is okay to attach it through the back wheel hub? Regards Kornelius

[@johndubrawski7094]

I am uncertain if this has already been mentioned, but how does this bike (or this category of bikes) do on uphill torque / capability, as well as downhill handling / safety? The crux of my wife's work commute is a BIG hill. Thanks. Well done on the vids!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks John! Uphill power is not problem, the big thing to remember is you effectively have a transmission paired to a powerful center motor. When you shift to the low gear the motor uses that gear as well as the rider. For safety I don’t believe there is a cargo bike that compares, namely due to the full suspension. This keeps the tires on the road no matter the terrain. I use this bike regularly with my videographer Tara in the front and we’ve even taken it off-road at times with her upfront filming.

[@johndubrawski7094]

@@Propelbikes Thanks C. We are in-process of moving back to West LA. I'll pop over to see you in Long Beach...

[@Propelbikes]

I’ll look forward to it! 😊

[@Rimkus23]

I love this bike so much ❤️

[@Propelbikes]

Same here!

[@Crotoua]

Thanks for this great review ! How does this bike compare to let’s say a Tern GSD when climbing steeps hills with a passenger ? Also : are two pistons brakes enough ? The GSD has a four pistons Magura brakes...

[@Propelbikes]

You got it! Climbing would be a bit better on this bike due to the slightly higher assist level on the new motors. You could also opt for a Rohloff hub and get a very low gear for climbing, but you shouldn’t find that necessary. The brakes work fine in my experience, I haven’t had trouble and I’ve really put the bike through it’s paces.

[@Crotoua]

Propel Electric Bikes OK thank you for your answer !

[@jttaylor7242]

hi Chris great review looking at my car on the drive have to tax it insure it ware & tear service mot fuel £2,000 a year very interested in one if I lived in the US would be going to your bike shop, I think riese muller should give you one, for the sales they will get great vid

[@railis.g7]

Hello can you tell me about the range of this bike?

[@Propelbikes]

Sure. You should see between 20-60 miles from a single battery and double that with the dual battery. You can learn more about the range here: www.bosch-ebike.com/us/service/range-assistant/

[@MichaelsJohnDeere]

I’m ready to purchase looking for a Load 60 High Speed belt drive with high Cargo Box.

[@Propelbikes]

We have some arriving soon

[@hidobido]

Chris,Is there a gear indicator with the Rohloff hub? Which is the most efficient gear?

[@Propelbikes]

The gear shows on the Bosch display. The efficiency is 96% (for gears #1 to #7) and 98% (for gears #8 to #14). They do a great job at optimizing for this.

[@janjakobbornheim9206]

Is the luggage rack still a system rack, and if so, does it use Racktime or MIK or another option?

[@Propelbikes]

At the moment the rack doesn’t use a MIK or Racktime system, but you can add an adapter to accommodate these systems.

[@Vink5]

Hi Chris! Thanks for a great video! Do you know how long it takes to charge a single battery? Thanks in advance! Ciao Ciao PeTer

[@marionocos2151]

Hi Chris, when shipping out this cargo bike outside USA will it be "as is" as shown right now or collapsible. Will it in wooden crate or box. Many thanks

[@Propelbikes]

Mario - We don’t do this much, but we could probably arrange something if there isn’t already a distributor in your area. Shoot us an email and we can see what’s possible.

[@dennismuehlenstaedt]

Hey, in one of your videos you mentioned that the Cargo-Line SW of the new Bosch Gen feels... well different, less supportive, less agile than the former Performance. Also, that the Retailer might change it based on the customer preference. Is this something that you can do as RM retailer in you shop, or do you need to order it right away with that different SW? Or did I completely misunderstood :D

[@dennismuehlenstaedt]

Woops, just found a thread that this is possible through every retailer (as long as they know how to do it and have the right Bosch stuff i assume) and that RM is even supporting that. When you use it just as ride for one kid, no heavy cargo, would you definitely recommend to take the CX software?

[@dennismuehlenstaedt]

last but not least. do you have already an announcement by RM when they gonna present their 21 lineup?

[@brayvdb2191]

Imagine a world where only bikes were allowed in cities(maybe only allow taxis (electric or hybrid) or people with disabilities, making these bikes an excellent choice

[@jebysblog]

Hi, is the cargo for the 2020 compatible and available for the 2019 version? I see that the footwell and the adjustable seats are really an improvement on the 2019 box design. Thank you

[@Propelbikes]

I'm not sure. I would recommend reaching out to your dealer or R&M direct on that one. I think there is a slight change to the frame and the control arm to accomodate the footwell, but the adjustable seats should work if you add the new box.

[@ME-ss2qs]

Hi Chris, I have a 2019 load 75 HS with derailleur, I'm planning to buy a 2020 load 75 HS with rohloff e 14. Are these gear shifters comparable in shifting speed, reactivity and performance of the bike, because I tried the 2020 HS with the vario and I was super desapointed. There was no reactivity, did not feel any performance update of the 4th Gen bosch cargo speed compared to mine. So I hope the rohloff changes that. Thanks a lot, and like always amazing videos!

[@Propelbikes]

The motor needs to be reprogrammed to the non-cargo speed version. It will make a major difference and you will see much better performance. The cargo line is great for heavy loads but not so ideal for lighter loads as it will lack power if not under load. The Rohloff will have similar performance to the touring, but you’ll have more top end power than the 2019 version.

[@ME-ss2qs]

@@Propelbikes thanks for your great answer!

[@glynnburchett5554]

Would be nice if it could be converted to coast to coast tours , and none flat tire made for roads

[@quedecree]

Great review thanks Chris. One thing I haven't been able to find is the length measurement for this bike - I figure to transport this, you'd probably need a trailer - how long is the Load 60?

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! The length of the Load 60 is 97” so you probably would need a trailer. Technically it’s possible to separate the front of the bike from the back, but it’s not something you would want to do often. There is a company called ATOC that makes a product called the Draftmaster. The Draftmaster isn’t currently rated for a bike this weight, but they have been working on something. If you’re really ambitious you can put it on the top of a wagon or SUV. I’ve done it before. There are roof racks for tandems which make this easier, but still not easy.

[@quedecree]

@@Propelbikes Thanks Chris. Last time I tried to put a normal bike on a car roof I ended up buggering up the knee for months, which, funnily enough, was the catalyst for getting an ebike in the first place....

[@Propelbikes]

So that definitely sounds like a bad idea. A trailer or van might be needed. I’m actually taking a Load down to San Diego in a van today oddly enough. We use it for our video shooting. My videographer prefers the Load over all other cargo bikes. I do too :)

[@lakshmangm7775]

Its now available in India ? And what is the price ?

[@chrisfryer3118]

looks nice, but what about the battery? besides i don't have $10k to spare

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Chris. It's definitely a pretty price to pay, but there isn't anything on the market that compares to this bike.

[@nipponhouseplayer]

wow wow wow👍👍

[@lakshmangm7775]

When it's available in india ?

[@leojonkers3181]

How much does it cost. You explain a lot from the bike, but never the price.

[@cody61801]

where can I get one?

[@davidstieg2366]

How much is it

[@erickgregoryful]

I vote trailer instead. So much more versatile. And can carry quiet a load. Let's say I need a box truck for my job. Great, perfect! Wanna go for a ride? Yeah, let me get into my box truck. Nope! A trailer is the way to go, in my opinion.

[@haraldsh6653]

Somehow I missed that the belt is used for both the Rohlof and Nuvinci gears. Which is better btw? The rohloff or nuvinci? I’ve talked to the local vendor of RM bikes, he’s not keen on the idea of servicing a bike with Rohlof or Nuvinci gears. So he’s not offering to order RM bikes with those systems. He prefers the Touring option which from my point of view requires more maintance, eventhough parts are more readily available.

[@Propelbikes]

Both the Enviolo and the Rohloff use the belt. I would recommend riding a bike with both of those systems even if it’s not a load. They are very different in the performance and the ride experience. The Enviolo is very user friendly, where the Rohloff has a little bit of a steeper learning curve. The Rohloff is has a wider gear range and it’s more efficient than the Enviolo, but they are both great low maintenance options.

[@haraldsh6653]

@@Propelbikes I have an e-bike with N360 and Auto-sync today. How much different are the two systems delivered on the Load 60 / 75?

[@Propelbikes]

The N380 is very similar, but a slightly larger range of gears and the shifter works manually instead of automatically. The Rohloff hub is also a manual shift, but it’s electronic and it’s indexed meaning there are individual gears whereas the NuVinci (now called Enviolo) is a CVT and the gear range is shifted without breaks, it’s more like a volume dial compared to a channel clicker on the Rohloff.

[@haraldsh6653]

@@Propelbikes If I understand you correctly: Enviolo with H sync: Set and forget Enviolo with manual: Adjust to terrain Rohloff: Manual shift, must adjust to desired momentum and cannot shift gear while standing still. Which of the belt options for the Load would you recommend?

[@tompaah7503]

​@@haraldsh6653 the Rohloff can be shifted while standing still. That's one of it's greatest features, IMHO. I'd choose the Rohloff any day.

[@GrizzintheWoods]

I wanted it until I looked at the price.

[@julivalalmeidacardoso5745]

Parabéns campeão da libertadores er congita com a vida liberdades de produção

[@resumacast]

Ow seriously for 8 thousand dolars?

[@larssorenson9916]

Oops “up to 200 lbs capacity”? Not 200 kg? If it’s 200 kg maybe edit the video and throw in a “200 kg” image at the place where you say 200 lbs

[@Propelbikes]

200lbs of cargo. 200kg total weight capacity

[@larssorenson9916]

Propel Electric Bikes great - thanks for putting me straight

[@Propelbikes]

:)

[@philippmatern8607]

wow , o like to have one

[@Propelbikes]

You’re not alone! It’s really special

[@woodwork2663]

Has anyone awared that the bike costs starting at $9,000 USD ? :D

[@Propelbikes]

The Load 60 starts at around $8,000, but it can go up from there depending on the options you select. Most people that want a car replacement won’t want to skimp on specs. I know I don’t want to, especially if they offer me additional utility, safety or performance.

[@RoyMcAvoy]

WHat kind of people really use this kind of cargo bike? Food delivery?

[@Propelbikes]

Well, I’m one of those people. I use it to run errands, carry friends and everything from an air conditioner to a week if groceries. Many carry kids, some carry goods for their business. Some carry both at different times.

[@jimmymiata]

It looks like a funeral car, The coffin is also black

[@johngorman7729]

Great bike but c’mon with the price.

[@arkeyarkey9489]

Please donate me a cargo bike i need one for work and because I've lost my license I'll ride one everday and put it on youtube

[@Propelbikes]

Sorry we don’t have any programs for this, but don’t lose hope in getting one. Maybe your work can help pay for one

[@ibrahimahmad7553]

Selamat petang. Hadiah atau ber pada saya basikal ini. Utk membayar saya tak mampu tetapi saya janji akan promosikan basikal ini ditempat saya.

[@SOmeoldgeezer71]

Shut up and take my money... wait how much??????

[@Propelbikes]

This is my personal favorite bike! This bike starts at $8,000 and you can learn more about it here: propelbikes.com/product/riese-muller-load-60/

[@kuhne]

As beautiful, useful and fun looking as it is overpriced.

[@fabianbuserell8609]

If u want a mercedes, u have to pay extra for quality and service :)

[@kuhne]

Mike Tomlin mercedes?

[@fabianbuserell8609]

@@kuhne R & M are the mercedes of E-Bikes in a way. They offer great quality, service and durabilaty. It's worth the extra bucks.. sry for my typo..

[@kuhne]

Mike Tomlin these are mercedes bikes?

[@kuhne]

Mike Tomlin they sure do look high quality but it still seems overpriced. Doesn’t mean I don’t like it. I was very close to buying one