Riese & Müller Superdelite Review

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks so much for watching!🚲 If you're interested in learning more about this or other Riese and Muller bikes, check out the links in the video description!

[@otiswoodard7391]

Really nice job on your video. Great content, production quality, and presentation delivery. Thank you!

[@Propelbikes]

Thank you Otis! We work hard on these videos and it’s great to hear that they are appreciated 😊

[@michaelminneapolis]

Just a point of clarification I think - at the 6:54 mark you state the Bosch motor takes 1,000 sensor readings per second - the R&M website FAQ states that it is only 200 readings per second. "The Bosch system measures around 200 times per second how hard you are pedalling and controls the motor assistance accordingly. When you stop pedalling, it interrupts the motor power immediately."

[@Propelbikes]

You can see from the Bosch page in the top paragraph. Their communication has been consistent of 1,000 times per second. Not sure where R&M got that info. www.bosch-ebike.com/us/products/drive-units/

[@Digital.Done.Right.]

one of the best reviews covering the features of this bike. Well made, well covered.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks so much for the kind words!

[@chrisdavies1288]

If you can not get hold of the Supercharger 2 look at secondhand Super charger Ist generation. We got one each in Nov 2017 and the bikes are great. Battery life is excellent and the battery discharge over the last two winters has been very low. We got the Gates belt drive because in our part of East Lancs England ( Pendle Hill country ) we have hills and plenty of them. The Gates belt drive allows no loss of speed on the hills as well as low maintenance. One last point get Sena Helmets that have blue toothed and allow a half mile range to communicate with fellow cyclists as well as linking up with your phone

[@flyshacker]

I want one. GT Rohloff HS, but with KIOX display and FOX suspension. Hopefully soon!

[@Propelbikes]

That sure is an awesome setup! It doesn’t get better than that!

[@injuredtabletennisplayer1474]

Such an informative well edited video. I could not stop watching

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks a bunch!

[@Largoroomstudios]

Great video, Chris. Keep up the good work.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! Much appreciated! :)

[@richardleguennic5541]

Bravo Chris ! Vos présentations sont très bien faites et complètes. Je n'ai jamais vu en France de présentations aussi plaisantes à regarder et j'ai acheté un Delite nuvinci en 2017 après avoir vu une de vos vidéos sur EBR. Le nouveau modèle superdelite 2020 est superbe.

[@hmmmwhatwasthat]

I really really really really really really really really really really like this bike.

[@Propelbikes]

Same here! I’m excited to get to spend some more time with it soon.

[@ruirodtube]

Nice review, thank you. I did notice you compressing the suspension at each downstroke of the pedals. That’s probably because of the new motor. It’s hard to explain but the 1:1 ratio transfers each downstroke to the suspension in two ways at the same time (the push down on the pedal and the pull forward of the chain) which the old motor separated because you had an almost constant pull of the chain due to the multiplication of the pedal cadence. Although the new motor seems nice it might have that unwanted side effect on the suspension. The other disadvantage of the new motor is that the chain ring is lower than the motor which exposes it the ring and belt to impacts from below.

[@Propelbikes]

Great feedback. I will have to look at this more closely. I also didn’t setup the suspension sag. I’ll have to talk with some of the R&M engineers about this topic and see if they have any thoughts. Surely the clearance is a thing though. Great points though and I really appreciate the comments.

[@ruirodtube]

@@Propelbikes Hi, I was visiting your website and noticed you have a picture of a Delite Rohloff on the page of the Delite Touring. It can be confusing for your customers. propelbikes.com/product/riese-muller-delite-gt-touring/ Cheers!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks for the heads up on this. We were in a rush to get the new bikes up and all of the pictures weren’t ready. We have been updating everything now. Also - I ended up having a long discussion with Martin Hess about the suspension on the new bikes. I believe what you were seeing was mainly related to the air pressure not being set correctly before riding the bike since I had limited time. But I should note that the swing arm pivot has been repositioned on this new model to address the concern you mentioned. If it wasn’t moved it would have efficiency issues, but the pivot point is effectively directly at the chain line which is ideal.

[@Surf422]

In the other video of him reviewing the regular 1-battery Delight there was no such compression while pedaling visible

[@tsmith3139]

Another informative, great review. Nice work, Chris!

[@azak6834]

Thank you for your demo. It’s fanttastic bike .I am waiting for mine .😆😁😃😀

[@martincollas]

Yeah!!! I waited for this review!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Martin! I hope it lived up to your expectations

[@Drnik911]

Great review and informative video . Thank you Chris .

[@edwardgomez3633]

Chris I’ve viewed many many reviews and bike rides of the Superdelight, but I have yet to see a really hard fast fide of it. Most seem like very leisurely Sunday rides. I’d like to see this bike rides hard & fast thru different terrain. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[@middlemarchy]

Hi Chris, thank you for the updates! On a slightly irrelevant note, if your shop carries Tern GSD S00 and HSD, I would really love to hear what your views on them are. We own a 2019 Load 60 and we are looking for a second cargo bike to transport a 8yo. I am on the small side myself (155cm) and find the Load rather hard to control especially when I don't have time to slow down to a halt due to unexpected road scenarios. I am hoping a Tern GSD or HSD would be a solution. Look forward to more videos from Propels.

[@Propelbikes]

Hey Winnie! Thanks for reaching out. The GSD and HSD are really great! The S00 has Power than the HSD will because of the CX motor and the GSD is a little better setup to carry bigger kids, but I don’t think you should necessarily rule the HSD out

[@davids4741]

Great bike and review, maybe next time you could remove the base beat from the background sound!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks for the feedback! I’ll talk to Tara about it. I hope you continue to watch and we always welcome feedback :)

[@pieterwald1646]

Thanks. Very informative review.

[@Propelbikes]

My pleasure! Glad you enjoyed it!

[@sirsirae343]

hey man great review the first one i see around :DD I hope you could tell us the differences between the new and old gen of the motor especially in terms of drag when you are not using it or when you pass the km/h limit. Thanks !

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! The Gen 4 has practically no drag when pedaling without power. I spend a good amount of time on the 25kph CX motors in Germany and I found it very easy to go well beyond the limits of the assistance. This is a considerable improvement from the Gen 2 system, but in the stated it’s not as big it a thing where 32kph is standard and 45kph bikes are pretty common. I can see this being a much bigger deal in Europe and overall I’m very excited about the change. I will admit the motors I rode were early production samples and they were a bit loud, but I look forward to testing a production model this week at Eurobike. Let me know if you have any additional questions and I’ll do my best to answer.

[@martincollas]

@@Propelbikes I ll really want to know which motor is best for the delite. I think the speed version is my favourite. So ,will there a big difference to the non speed version? . The specs are still the same.

[@Propelbikes]

I would totally go for the speed motor! The CX has a bit more power at lower speeds, but the torque is the same on both motors and they both give up to 340% assistance now.

[@andersn2225]

Hello! I really like your video! Im considering one of these, but since i live in Norway i have to register it as a motorvehicle and drive it on the road together with the cars. To me It is very important, from a safety point of view, that it can keep its max speed also uphill and im wandering if it will? Greetings from norway.

[@Propelbikes]

I totally understand. I know the registration is more challenging in other places. If you have long distance rides it might be worth it, but for many they opt for the standard motor to be allowed to use the trails. Both motors have the same 75Nm of torque so I don’t think you’ll have any trouble climbing hills. I look forward to visiting your beautiful country in the near future! :)

[@realMors]

Expensive bike. But at least you know what you're buying. Great review 👍.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Marciano! I appreciate your comment. I’m rather new at doing these reviews solo so it’s great to know people appreciate them. Let me know if there are any other bikes you might like to see reviewed.

[@ronfeinberg]

Such a great review! Do you think R&M will ever offer a throttle in addition to pedal-assist for the U.S. market? If not, do you sell a similar eBike comparable to the Superdelite/Homage which has a throttle? Thanks so much!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Ron! I appreciate your comment. At the moment R&M works exclusively with Bosch and Bosch has said publicly that they don’t have any plans to add a throttle to their motor system so I would say it’s unlikely. For another similar bike, there really isn’t one. Some may claim to be similar, but I haven’t found one remotely comparable in the quality. I would highly recommend testing one or even testing the Bosch system as many feel there is no need for a throttle with a good pedal assist system (not all are good). I’m among that camp.

[@cirke1477]

That’s my bike version 2021 and I love it

[@Mike-ql4sz]

Hi Chris, can this bike run on one battery only? (in case one day we don't want to carry extra weight) Thx

[@FancyaBevMate]

really liked you with court and whilst I wont be buying my next bike from you (unless you open dealerships in the UK :)) I am really interested in the standard non speed fully suspended version. I currently have a 2019 haibike sduro trekking 7.0 which is a lovely bike but I'd love to try out a fully suspended bike. Cheers

[@jimwortham8634]

Wow it has suspension how much does it cost how far I'll go how fast it go got bored

[@RikuLeppanen]

This is the bike I want to buy here in Germany. This will be a long term plan though, as the price is really high.

[@Propelbikes]

It’s a great bike! I’m sure you’re going to love it!

[@aaronwhite9522]

@UCTeNXcQYYOG_rXGAsQWKQfA Chris, love the videos mate thank you for putting them out there. I'm also unsure between the Rohloff and Rohloff HS. I seem to hear a lot that the torque curve is higher above 20mph on the HS. I saw this in a video you made also called called "20mph vs 28mph Electric Bikes: Which Should I Choose?". If I was to put a SpeedBox into a CX motor will I struggle more to get up to the 28mph a little more? I'm not sure if you have tried a Superdelite with de-restriction or not but I'm really curious as to how much difference there is. I will mostly be commuting to work and would actually register the bike as a moped but I do have area's where I can safely go off road with some hills responsibly and safely. I do like the fact I can turn the tuning chip off when on road though also so I'm really stuck. It's either Fox sus and cx motor or standard sus and HS. Really wish they reviewed the laws faster on these things.

[@roygjringen4770]

Hi Propel Electric Bikes. I really like your reviews and especially the one you had about Superdelite since I'm going to buy it for the summer. I am also looking forward to a review of KIOX with explanation and test of e suspension. Are you going to make a review of this after the Eurobike trade show?

[@tompaah7503]

A friendly tip for you. Order your Superdelite well in advance of the summer. R&M are known for very long delivery times. 2 months of waiting is not unusual. They are built after order.

[@roygjringen4770]

@@tompaah7503 Thank you so much for the tips. I didn't realize it could take so long to get it. I want Superdelite with GX option and upgrade to FOX suspension and therefore have to save some money before I can buy it.

[@tompaah7503]

@@roygjringen4770 good luck, you'll not be disappointed with Riese & Müller, they're awesome. My bike (Supercharger) took more than 4 months to deliver, that's why I'm saying this to you. Luckily I ordered it in december so it was delivered in the spring, right in time for biking season.

[@roygjringen4770]

@@tompaah7503 Thank you so much. I'm looking forward to getting an R&M myself and can see that their bikes are built to last with a solid frame and big wheels, so here we get a lot of bike for the money.

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks for your comment! I will try to get more details on this for you as I do plan to do a review of the Kiox and it would be great to explain this new feature.

[@myopenmind527]

An you fit panniers to the standard rack. I see that they have a separate pannier rack. I’m confused.

[@driesamandt2698]

Love this bike but the battery cover doesn't look like a convincing solution. Is this waterproof?

[@Propelbikes]

It’s not waterproof but it’s water resistant as Bosch recommends. As long as it’s not submerged you should be fine in my experience

[@kona_moon6055]

On shots taken from the right side, your gray water bottle looks like the head tube - a super beefy head tube.

[@Propelbikes]

I know what you mean. The head tube is really beefy though ;)

[@rudymsmith]

ok ya got my money and i got your bike ! but hey - how do you remove the rubber strap on the rear rack of a riese muller super delight without cutting it?

[@cliffcox7643]

PROPEL, I think many E-bike customers want to know max speed. What's the max speed of this bike? The road group is thinking about and E bike rider as the motor pacing guy. A guy who sets a high pace that everyone needs to be able to draft at to simulate race conditions w/o destroying the guy whos doing the pacing.

[@Propelbikes]

This bike has two motor options. One with a 20mph top speed and the other with a 28mph top spreed.

[@cliffcox7643]

@@Propelbikes I looked at the website, and I'm not clear on which model has the option for 28mph

[@Propelbikes]

Sorry. If it says HS at the end of the name it’s a 28mph bike.

[@Surf422]

Considering that the Rohoff (highest spec version of the bike) is not available with the optional smartphone hub ... is there a way to get the bike to power a smartphone anyway? (all it would take is a power connector) That way a rider could buy a smartphone handlebar bracket and plug their smartphone into the bike and use google maps or anything else they wanted on their phone without loosing their phone battery charge.

[@Propelbikes]

If you get the Kiox Display you can power your phone from the micro USB port on the display. This isn’t possible with the Intuvia though. The Smartphone Hub doesn’t work with Eshift, but the Kiox and Intuvia does. We generally recommend the Kiox display.

Very nice looking bike!

[@TheRockeyAllen]

Is it possible for me to get the Superdelite and use it with just one battery (lower) while I leave the other (upper) to charge at home? Also, are both the upper and lower batteries identical?

[@Propelbikes]

Yes, it is possible to run the bike with one battery and the batteries are identical. There will be a cover available for the empty space where the battery goes. You can also use this when transporting the bike without the batteries on.

[@TheRockeyAllen]

@@Propelbikes what are the steps required for maintenance of this model? I am planning to import it to a country where e-bikes or cycles in general is not a thing, so there are absolutely no local dealers. I want a high quality, comfortable, long range, easy maintenance bike, such that once I get it imported, I will not need to send it back to dealers at all... Any suggestions on this model or any other model from any other manufacturer that would fit my needs?

[@Propelbikes]

Sorry about the delay! Your reply didn’t show in my notifications. These bikes are generally very low maintenance. The motor system generally doesn’t require much of any maintenance, outside of that you’re dealing with the Rohloff or Enviolo hub. A derailleur is more common and potentially easier to find someone to help service, but the Rohloff hub is pretty easy to service (mostly just oil changes) and the Enviolo hub is usually just swapping the cables overtime. Outside of that it should be mostly just brake pads, tires and eventually you’ll need to service the suspension although many people don’t perform this service and they usually function fine. Where are you looking to import to?

[@TheRockeyAllen]

@@Propelbikes Thank you for the informative response! I'm considering importing it to the UAE!

[@liebrexgato]

Nice channel bro!!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! Any favorite videos so far? Let us know if there is something you’d like to see more of in the future.

[@dottordemicco3080]

ho avuto problemi con la carica delle doppie batterie che non fanno funzionare il circuito bosch.E' ancora in officina da 10 giorni.

[@73alansetiawan]

everything made in German is high quality and I love it.

[@vsvane]

How was the new gen4 motor compared to the gen3? Does it go all the Way to 45km/h or does it stop a couple of km/h short? And is the resistance when reaching the limiter much less noticeable?

[@Propelbikes]

The new Speed motor goes all the way there and it actually provides more power once you pas 32kph or 20 mph so it makes it really easy to get up to speed. This is a great improvement in my opinion.

[@neonmanatee1952]

My dream bike 🚲

[@anonimato1987]

Hey thanks for the video. Do you know if these guys ship within the EU? I'm having trouble finding a good ebike here and can't import one from the US.

[@Propelbikes]

They have many dealers in Europe. Check their site r-m.de

[@Largoroomstudios]

It's a German company.

[@EnriqueCubillo]

Could we see this hauling Surley Ted or Bill trailers at max load?

[@bgjr2304]

Does anyone know if you can upgrade your a Touring version to a Rohloff?

[@Propelbikes]

Technically you can upgrade the Touring version to a manual Rohloff with just parts and a decent bit of labor, but you would void the warranty. To do the electronic version it’s a bit more complex as the motor would need to reprogram and there is some rewriting to do. It’s usually not so cost effective and not all shops will do it. It puts a higher liability on the shop as they then become the manufacturer of the bike and most shops insurance doesn’t cover that sort of thing.

[@myopenmind527]

Why do you have a reg / license plate on that bike?

[@dannygayler90]

Very interesting !

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks! I think there are many other adjectives that can describe this bike as well ;)

[@johnnyabrazado5462]

How much is the price of this ebike .

[@nija1976]

In SF, the sales tax alone for the configuration I want (gt rohloff hs) is over 900$. I notice San Diego has a lower sales tax. If your shipping is free then perhaps I should buy with you instead... hmm

[@darrenprior6339]

Can you fit Ortlieb panniers on the back of this bike?

[@stefanwolter7496]

Shure,but you need the 20 mm Clambs

[@mauritsl84]

How easy can you maintain 45km? Can you compare this to a stromer? 250watt vs 750watt?

[@Propelbikes]

The peak power is pretty similar, but based on the way the motors are built it's very slightly easier to maintain 45Kph on the Stromer.

[@hakimbaba6533]

Can a child seat be installed in the back?

[@rudymsmith]

take my money already

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks Rudy! This bike sure is awesome! Let us know if we can help you get one. Check out our site for more info: propelbikes.com/product/riese-muller-superdelite/

[@TheRockeyAllen]

Well done! High quality, and highly informative vidoes! Keep it up! Your subscriber count shall skyrocket soon InShaAllah (by God's will)! Cheers!

[@Propelbikes]

Thanks so much! I really appreciate it! We work hard on the videos so it’s good to hear they are appreciated. We definitely plan to keep it going and there are many videos pending and planned. Stay tuned 😀

[@AS-bm5xv]

Estimated range?

[@Propelbikes]

From around 50 miles at the top assist level and over 100 on the low assist levels.

[@donolinger6904]

- Some motorcycles are hardtails and only have front sususpensions.

[@medibisgmbh7121]

is the Waterbottle included when i buy the bike?

[@Propelbikes]

Yes it is

[@stefanwolter7496]

2 off them

[@evgeniy6500]

What is the size of the bike in the video?

[@Propelbikes]

This is a 51cm and I am 5’9” with a 30.5” inseam.

[@evgeniy6500]

@@Propelbikes How tall is the 51 "frame designed for?

[@evgeniy6500]

@@Propelbikes Is this bike size right for my height? 185 centimeters. Or do I need 54 frame size?

[@minniesaab7255]

❤🚲

[@Masreborn]

This or the Supercharger2?

[@Propelbikes]

My personal preference would be to go for the dual suspension on the Superdelite, but that doesn’t fit everyone’s needs the same. What are you looking to do with the bike?

[@Masreborn]

@@Propelbikes Do you think the dual suspension is a worth it, for city commuting?

[@Propelbikes]

@@Masreborn I ride full suspension wherever possible. Beyond the added comfort it also increases the control and traction which can be very helpful in the city. The Supercharger2 is a great bike though and I'm sure you'd be happy either way, The Supercharger2 will be a bit lighter and sportier. Do you need the dual batteries?

[@Masreborn]

@@Propelbikes Well, it's better to have two than one. Sure. Why?

[@Propelbikes]

@@Masreborn I was thinking you could also consider the Delite for a lighter weight option.

[@EdgarRenje]

Does anyone know a similar, but a bit less expensive bike? It should be full-suspended for sure.

[@Propelbikes]

You might currently see some deals on 2019 demo bikes or left over inventory. You won’t see much else out there with the options and specs like this, but there are plenty of full suspension bikes out there. What are you looking to do with the bike and what sort of details are important?

[@EdgarRenje]

@@Propelbikes I like that edgy frame design a lot and as I mentioned before, it should be full-suspended and have similar cargo options. What I don't need as much is the battery capacity. I would like to have a a comfortable city bike, but with the look of this one. Maybe the application possibilities will expand to tours later.

[@joliemindy]

How much

[@lafamille7287]

I certainly what one and them ...to go back to Ushuaïa. This time, it should be more human and less demanding on my now, old body. El grigo loco a bici, Marc, Gatineau, Qc. Canada.

[@Propelbikes]

I think many people feel similar to you 😉

[@Librazhd76]

You get what you pay for,great does everything bike.

[@Propelbikes]

I couldn’t agree more. I often regard it as a go anywhere and do anything type of bike.

[@jean-mauricegensous4679]

Bonjour en France , on ne comprend pas bien l’allemand .... Un sous titrage serait utile pour nombre d'entre nous Quel manque de bon sens !!!

[@jean-mauricegensous4679]

je voulais dire L'anglais !!!

[@Propelbikes]

@@jean-mauricegensous4679 Excellent retour Je vais regarder dans l'offre à l'avenir. J'espère que les vidéos sont toujours agréables.

[@vincef7487]

Wow! "Control Technology". What will they think of NEXT?! 🤣

[@Propelbikes]

The Control Technology concept has been used by R&M for some time now. I know if sounds novel, but in practical application, it works really well!

[@decnijfkris3706]

costly e bikes but you see them often riding

[@Propelbikes]

A great car replacement!

[@donolinger6904]

- Some motorcycles are hardtails and only have front sususpensions.