Rincon 3 - After 100 Miles

[@eulogyforadream]

I love that you do long term reviews. Other reviews should do the same. You're the people's shoetuber. I'm interested your long term opinion about the Rebel 2. After 225 miles the shoe doesn't feel as good.

[@kofuzi]

it's a difficult tension to navigate. there are so many shoes but only so many miles that I can run.

[@MM-zj4pd]

Fuelcell midsoles really dont last long. They are awesome for like 300km and rapidly die after that.

[@Martha-fluterunner]

I wish I could get that many miles out of my Endorphin Speeds. The outsole wears out on the outer edge an inch or 2 in front of the heel long before the midsole or upper has any visible wear. 225 is respectable. At least the Rebel2 is way less expensive than the Speeds. In general I notice midsole performance starting to go flat in most of my shoes by around 200 miles.

[@carlblundon1884]

I was a loyal Pegasus user for daily training until they started breaking down sooner with each new version. I moved to the Rincon 3 recently and couldn't be happier - so much so that I just bought a second pair as my first pair are now closing in on 900kms.

[@kofuzi]

nice! that's a lot of k's

[@carlblundon1884]

@@kofuzi Have never put this many on a shoe without total cushion meltdown. I've now got 2 pairs of Rincon 3 and a Carbon X 3 in the rotation. Hooked on Hoka!

[@georgejopanos763]

@@carlblundon1884 so all of the running shoes eventually will wear off and we'll need to buy new ones which only makes sense since we're using it too much.Sooo i guess i should trust this Hoka? Bcz too Many people whining gets me ovedthinking

[@derekfelton8287]

ha ha ha - you sound like an old Toyota :)

[@Ianshrew]

Enjoying the shoe so far. So light, comfortable, cushioned and fast! Easy to slip on and go for a variety of distances.

[@marceloa.digrigoli2780]

Great K, I was waiting for this review to make a decision and now I have. Thanks!

[@kofuzi]

Glad I could help!

[@saltyjo7514]

I have the Rincon 3 which I bought for 10000 yen , about $75 in Tokyo. Very comfortable and great to run in. For me, the only pair of shoes that could beat Rincon 3 is a pair of shoes that cost only $35. It is called Anta Hydrogen. Very light. Only about 200g. It cost me less than $25. What I did was buying a pair of air cell insole online from China for $10. Put these air cell insoles inside the Anta Hydrogen and it is comparable with the Hoka except lighter and much cheaper.

[@spacecityrunning6618]

I’m 160 miles into my pair, and I’m super happy. Definitely think I’ll have to replace at or around 300 miles, but for the price, I think that’s fair.

[@heavyrunnerweightlifter4392]

I don't know if you have noticed the evolution of your running form but it is nice to see.

[@Taycore9]

@kofuzi your reviews rock! I am loving the Hoka Rincon 3's!!! Great lightweight daily trainer with grip and cushion. Feels great to run in!

[@kofuzi]

glad you're enjoying them!

[@seokjinseo]

Really really glad to hear the improved durability on them. Thanks:)

[@StephaneMichel-Montréal]

Thanks for your detailed and well illustrated review. After 261km (163 miles) with the Rincon 3, I do not notice any sign of wear and tear on the upper either. It is holding very well compared to earlier versions of other Hoka lines such as the Clifton. As for the outsole, the rubber is still in fairly good shape and outside of a few signs of erosion on the edge of the EVA "pods" that constitute the outsole, there is no particular concern on that end. I would advise, though, for larger feet, to consider the wide sizes of the shoes as the upper is not extending enough over time to offer an optimal comfort with a normal size (10 on my end). The shoes are particularly narrows at the start of the laces corridor. I am still hesitating at this point to use the shoe for a half marathon as discomfort is an element to take into account after 16-18km. The foam has not compressed too much so far and still keeps a good level of cushioning. I am confident that the shoe can still be used for another 100-200km before being retired.

[@timtrenholm3698]

Rincon V1 was awesome till about 250KM, and it started to crash in on the medial side which gives me shin splints. By 275km they were retired. I didn't try the Rincon V2, but moved into the Mach4, which was an awesome shoe, but also started to crash in on the medial side....but only after 500km. Which is completely acceptable. I even bought a 2nd pair of Mach4, which I've never bought a 2nd pair of the same shoes before. Really tempted to try the Rincon V3, but need to see a few more long(er) term reviews. Thanks for the content Mr. Ko!

[@veerayuthkh]

Thank you for your review.I enjoy a lot for this shoes RINCON3.I wear rincon3 to easy run 10-15 km.I love it.

[@derekfelton8287]

Just bought these - they were on special. I like the look - its not too flashy. I wont be running much in them but they feel great, Crossfit and a sprint or too will do me boss. Great shoe so far.

[@kofuzi]

Glad you like them!

[@eveanddell]

Awesome review! I was thinking of swapping this with my Saucony Endorphin Speeds.

[@svebu2320]

I love that shoe as I am using it already for 165mi. No complaints at all! Compared to Mach4 the Rincon3 is more comfortable/ cushioned.

[@fynthemtns]

I love my Rincon 2s for work/walking. After 4 months of nearly daily use the Rincons are showing a lot of wear on the outsole but still feel amazing on foot. I think they'll make it through the summer then I'll get a pair of 3s and it's encouraging to hear that you think the longevity has improved

[@michael-lucanatt8009]

400 miles into my second pair. Retired first ones around 450

[@kofuzi]

very nice

[@derekfelton8287]

How much do you weigh ?

[@toddb3414]

Ngl Rincon 1 dying at around 140 miles really soured me on the Hoka brand. I switched to Saucony Kinvara 11 for 1/2 marathons and short runs and love them! Even grabbed a 2nd pair for when then the original ones retire. I welcome any suggestions for shoes similar to Kinvara 11 or the Rincon series. I think that 200-250 miles should be the minimum for these types of shoes. Love the content, keep these videos coming!

[@sea263]

I didn't have any problem with Rincon (original first addition !) I'm now approaching 🏃‍♂️1000KM !!! (~600miles) and still enjoying my long and easy 😎 runs in Them

[@mauricio1973]

Agree with the assertion that previous versions do not hold up over the miles. I wouldn't buy another pair of Rincon's unless they made them more resistant. Love the bounce and the lightness. The spring on the heel is super but after 100k the seemed dead under feet

[@kofuzi]

did you try v3? you might like v3

[@mauricio1973]

@@kofuzi Thank you for taking the time to reply. I would not try them again. In the past 2 years I have purchased New Balance 1080s, 880s, Fresh Foams, Asics Dynablast, and have to say that those two brands make me very happy. Don't see the need to look outside of them for now. If I find an unbeatable offer I might wander off

[@pasadenaphil8804]

I was one of those people voicing concerns about durability and wear when I started running in my first pair if Rincon2s. They showed far more wear after 50 miles than I expected and doubted I could get 150 good miles. I ended up getting 457 good miles and am now at 190 miles in my second pair. I had expected to be on my Rincon3 by now but I got so many more miles out of the Rincons2. If the Rincon3 are even better the Rincon2s, that will be awesome. The only shoes I like better are my Mach4s and they are wearing well too. My two favorite shoes.

[@kofuzi]

there was a lot of visual wear on the Rincon 1 and 2. I personally never considered a performance issue, but there were a lot of people out there who were concerned. glad to hear you got so many miles out of your 2's!

[@ao7594]

Been running on the same colorway pair, over 370mi. Did not occur as responsive as Mach4. Really enjoy the lightweight and the versatility of rincon3. Bit loose on the fitting, so was Rincon2, not a major issue for me

[@ao7594]

Plus the upper of mach4 feels substantially warmer than Rincon3.

[@pegaxes84]

Prefer rincon 3 over mach 4, own both almost at the same time, something wrong with my gait / stride probably 😅

[@prosin13]

Mach 4’s felt like I had potato’s on my feet. Least responsive shoe I’ve ever used. Maybe a height/weight thing.

[@earlaverilla9250]

Love the Rincon 3 to the point that I'm seriously thinking about getting a second pair to replace my first w/c is now at 450+kms.

[@lister740]

exactly my sentiments i shitwrecked mine after 600kms but it was soooo good - they saw me through my first marathon

[@thegumbychronicles4892]

I have run in versions 1 & 2 and the midsole did feel dead after 100 miles. I recently bought version 3 (5/30/23) and am hoping these last longer.

[@patrickmaher4944]

Thank you for your review. I love Rincon more so than Mach 4. I understand about the wear and durability of Rincon as I encountered it with the very first version. Instead of buying the second version, I ended up buying Mach 4 as many reviewers recommended it and I was curious about the midsole of Mach 4. Took me a while to like the Mach 4 as it took me a while to adjust to Mach 4’s midsole when compared to Rincon (v1). Mach 4’s midsole seemed (for me) firmer and it didn’t offer the responsiveness that the reviewers were talking about. I just didn’t understand all the hoopla surrounding Mach 4 (as I continued to compare with my Rincon v1). Rincon was light, fast and comfortable. Plus I really liked the firmness (not too soft but provided comfort and easy on the legs) of Rincon’s midsole. So, I decided to give Rincon 3 another try and totally agree with your assessment. As for the durability of the shoes, especially the midsole, given the cost of the pair, if I can get 200 to 250 miles, I’m good. Since I don’t get free shoes to try out as many of you KZbin reviewers, it is hard for me to spend $160 and above for running shoes, even if they last 400 to 500 miles, especially if they are not versatile (like Rincon). Since many runners tend to have more than one pair of shoes, buying 2 pairs of Rincon is still less expensive than buying an expensive daily trainer and a racing flat (typically plated shoes these days). I don’t understand the need for very expensive (Super Shoes) for many “non elite” runners. As consumers, they may want to buy what is trending. So I get that. And if they can afford them, good for them. Clearly, the new technology that comes with super shoes help the professionals and the elites to run their PR’s. But at the end of the day, the training and the comfort and confidence in the shoes they wear are more important (I think). Lastly for your subscribers, I typically wear US size 10. But for Hoka Mach 4 and Rincon 3, I bought US size 9.5 and they seem to fit and feel better. So I strongly recommend trying out your regular size and also half size down before buying one. SInce many running shoes stores allow for exchanges, I would also recommend trying regular size first. If it does not meet your expectations (based on reviews you read), exchange them for a half-size smaller. That’s what I did with Mach 4. The top material of both pairs are pretty accommodating (not stiff and provides some stretch) so it allowed me to go half size down. It seemed to perform so much better for me as I went 1/2 size down.

[@Martha-fluterunner]

I’ve had the original Rincon and more recently the Mach4. I too have to go down 1/2 size in Hoka. It’s easy to see why if you look at the size chart on their website or use the size determination tool that asks your size in other brands. If you know your European size, sizing there is much more precise (more sizes per length) than US sizing, and when I look at my US equivalent to European size on both the Hoka and Adidas size charts, I’m given a half size down from most of the other major brands.

[@joaquimr]

Good review!

[@j.w.matney8390]

Thanks for posting this. I'm about 30 miles in on a pair of Mach 4's. Not sure if I'm ready for more shoes.

[@saltyjo7514]

Yes, either grow another pair of legs or just run more

[@nolanparke765]

Hey Ko, is the adios 6 gonna get a full review video?

[@kofuzi]

if by full review, you mean a 100 mile video, it may take a while. I'm at about 30 miles in them so far.

[@DevRunner]

I LOVED the Rincon 1 til it pancaked at 275 miles. If they've solved that issue in the 3, then I'm back baby! Holding out hope for the next review!

[@kofuzi]

my understanding is that they tweaked the EVA for the Rincon 3 to make it a bit more like the Clifton so that it would be more durable. I didn't even know that they had different formulations of CMEVA

[@DevRunner]

@@kofuzi That's amazing! If you can get that shoe to 400 miles it will become a contender for tempo day in my lineup.... Right now that's the Endorphin Speed!

[@stoicrunner2757]

Just checked the miles on my Rincon 3s - exactly 100 miles. The same amount of wear as you describe. Still plenty of life in them and have no intention of retiring them any time soon. I recently purchased a pair of Endorphin Speed 2s though so not reaching for my Rincons quite as much for those speedier runs. If there was one thing Hoka could do to improve the shoe it would be the tongue - just a tad short.

[@seanmac80]

Agree 100% on this one. My Rincon 3’s have about 250km (155 mi) on them since Christmas and are a-ok in terms of overall wear and underfoot feel. That was not the case with the v2, where the upper was fine all the way to retirement but the life departed from the mid foot foam well before the 200mi mark.

[@Martha-fluterunner]

The original version was even worse in the durability dept.

[@MastaKeahi]

Mine are not holding up as well but I am 220. I think I am going to jump over to the Clifton’s

[@tatoum9743]

I've got the Rincon 1 : it was the best lightweight and cushioned shoes for daily shoes. The first 150 miles were great and supportive but after the outsole disappeared literally. I hope hoka corrects it with Rincon 3 but it's too late. I buy a Asics Magic Speed with better durability.

[@msrfitness3637]

hello sir, loved your video. I am a regular gym goer but lately i have done two road marathon 5 km. its like 1 marathon in like 3 months or so . now i want to go for the 10 km one however i dont know which shoes to buy clifton 8 or rincon for marathons and for running on treadmill at times. I like to sprint as well when i have had my 2 marathons. I am not a professional marathon runner but a beginner who has ran 2 marathon till date of 5 kms. next one want to go for 10 km road marathon . kindly advice for marathon and running fast on treadmill at times.

[@ben-lq1cs]

loving the videos ! mach 5 v rincon 3?

[@kofuzi]

I like the mach 5

[@ben-lq1cs]

@@kofuzi appreciated & thank you !

[@macau.friend]

I still have my Rincon 2 after 300K. While it’s still holding up ok for me, lately I’ve been having blister on my foot each time I ran in it. Maybe it’s because the midsole is losing its cushioning effect?

[@colmobrien8904]

Hi great vlog, I wear orthotics and they fit well in these shoes, do you think it would be ok to run a marathon in these shoes, as someone who wears orthotics the advice is to not use a plated shoe

[@kofuzi]

I would defer to the person who prescribed you the orthotic. I would hesitate to comment without understanding that portion of your medical history

[@Jan-ms9tl]

I own a pair of the Rincon 3 and honestly I personally do not like it a lot. The wear down of the outsole (and also the exposed midsole parts) looks really bad. Some of the rubber "pads" have lost their grip completly and in terms of the fit of the upper it actually hurts my feet and I received a lot of blood blisters and pain especially during long runs. Maybe this is all because I have flat feet or mabe it is just because of my technique but for me this shoes is not working as I thought it would. Right now I have put around 280km or 173mi in the shoe and I do not expect it to last longer than 650km or 400mi. However I do like the low weight of it and also the upper material because of its breathability. In the end please learn from my mistakes and try the shoe at a local store and do not do it like me buy it online without trying it on just because it is on sale. I Really like your videos @kofuzi so keep it up. I'm really looking forward to your review of the Pegasus 39.

[@jp05598]

400mi really isn’t bad at all thinking of retiring my novablast 1s and endo speed 1s and they’re right at that mileage. I have put 335 on rincon2s and haven’t worn them in months. How much more do you want out of a $115 shoe?!

[@kofuzi]

that's ok. not every person has to love every shoe. and conversely, not every shoe has to be loved by every runner in order to be successful. in other words, it's a great time to be a runner. something for everyone.

[@sieffy91]

How would you say this stacks up to the Clifton and Mach?

[@nizam_mr]

my old Clifton6 reached 1200km before i retired it. My Rincon3 is still active in my rotation, already reached 600km and still going strong /although i dont run >20km on single run in rincon3. Most run on road/pavement mine should probably last till Rincon4 released lel

[@saltyjo7514]

I wonder when those rubber strips on the outsole will peel off. They look vulnerable. I have the same shoes..

[@kofuzi]

neither yours nor mine have peeled off yet, it seems

[@hamoudalnasser]

I'm curious as to how you would compare it to the Mach 5. Is the Mach better for daily training, speed work, durability? Rincon more of a drill, tempo runner?

[@NickHillUSGooner]

Is the tongue bothering anyone one else on these? It is slipping down under the knot during runs. I used them during a marathon two Sundays ago, and the last two miles were painful. That Friday I hoped they would be fine for a half, I had to constantly adjust the knot to help with the pain. I’m only 60 miles into them. The tongue feels very thin and like it’s too short.

[@1man1year150]

The rincon 2 were comfy but i'm sceptic on how much these things cost for how long they last man. The 2 broke down so fast that I was put off from Rincon further.

[@msschiaffino]

You mentioned that the toe box is roomy. Is it wider than the Rincon 2's? How does it compare with the Mach 4's toe box? Thanks!

[@pmwaffle9348]

Feels a little roomier than the mach because of the lack of structure

[@robertdailey7248]

I like the Rincon 2. It’s actually my favorite of the Hoka line. But it seemed to have a defect where the tongue meets the insole on the inside of the foot just below the ankle. The shoe cuts into my skin and forced me to wear socks (which I prefer to avoid). Do you know whether this defect was fixed in the Rincon 3?

[@amirshawki1837]

I wanna make a choice between the Rincon 3, Clifton 8 and maybe the Asics Noosa Tri 14. I usually participate in 21k events for racing but am mostly gonna use this shoe for training I average about 40-50k per week Long runs (around pace 5 and 1-1:30 in duration), Tempos (around pace 4 and 10-15km in distance) and intervals (around pace 3:30 and 6-10k in distance) Which shoe do you think will suit me best as a daily trainer in terms of comfort and durabilty?

[@kofuzi]

Don’t spam questions. I’ve already answered this copy/pasted question elsewhere.

[@amirshawki1837]

@@kofuzi am sorry, Just wasn’t sure you will see it 🙈

[@seibaartoria244]

The rincon 3,or nb rebel v3,for speed n race day?

[@AdamB-]

I own the Rincon 2s and yes the outsole wears loads in first 20 miles but then after that nothing else happens. It doesn’t continue to wear and foam response isn’t affected. I think people over exaggerate a bit, who really looks at the sole of your running shoes anyway!

[@bernardosuss]

Is it a shoe you'd recommend for long runs, such as 15 or 20k?

[@davidtfrederick]

I’m on 370 miles for my Rincon 3s and still feel the cushion/bounce but my Rincon 1s had to be tossed at 180 miles because the cushion indented, forming a cradle, and created hotspots on my toes. Rincon 3 has felt different for me

[@kofuzi]

My understanding is that they also tweaked the foam to make it a bit more Clifton-like. Maybe that’s helping with the longevity as well

[@davidtfrederick]

@@kofuzi I enjoy the Rincon the most out of all the Hoka road shoes. Currently running in the Mach 4. Rincon 3 > Mach 4 > Clifton

[@AGC828]

Never owned any HOKA shoes. Have always wondered why HOKA didn't put a black rubber tread on all their shoes. Just seems to make more sense. No matter how serious a runner you are or not. Also I was jgoing to ask if having a carbon plate in a shoe would make the shoe uncomfortable in any everyday situation. Could you stand around in one and not notice the carbon plate? Or do they simply help somewhat when your cadence is "high enough"? Just curious. I'm not a runner and thos don't compete. So getting a "racing shoe" would be ridiculous. ;)

[@kofuzi]

As most Carbon shoes are intended for racing, I’d say it would be the snugness of the upper that would make them ill suited for casual use. That being said, the Bondi X has a carbon fiber plate and would be comfortable for standing around

[@AGC828]

@@kofuzi Thanks KOFUSI. Great videos!! :) Even for non-runners like myself. Have looked at the Bondi X. On my list. As for the Rincon 3....I'm sure people would have liked more colour ways e.g. HOKA blue/white. Grey/white....blak tread...

[@nemanjavukasinovic636]

Rincon 3 or novablast 2?

[@MinorVoices]

Only thing on Rincon 3 that's better than Novablast 2 is it's weight. Everything else, the Novablast 2 is much better.

[@vincents.6639]

I wish @kofuzi do more comparisons.

[@nemanjavukasinovic636]

@@FatUglySadMan durability of Rincon 3?

[@megajames3000]

Mine are sort of loose too.

[@sammatsusaka823]

(IMO) - New Balance this year is the shoe for me. Rebel or 1080 or More.

[@georgejopanos763]

Can somebody help me.I've been trying to enter this world of both soft as it goes and at the same time running pair.Standing plenty hours at work and running afterwards whenever i feel like.But I'm so lost ... So many people so many reviews nothing is perfect or trusted completely.I am between Pegasus39 and these Rincon 3 so far.Plenty people speak about This brand being a brand you dont wanna leave after you learn it but i now i find plenty others saying for example it will loose its power basically after an amount of miles.Does this happen to all shoes ? Is the fear of people that some shoes last more while others not? Do i get it right? Should i just buy one and if i overuse and it wears off i buy a new pair ?

[@markkendhammer5932]

Would you recommend this shoe for a half marathon?

[@pegaxes84]

PR'd my half last year using this color way, but pace is >9 minute mile, so nothing fast here 😅

[@kofuzi]

I think it would be a lot of fun for that distance

[@MrJohnno89]

Love this shoe, but for me i only got few hundred km out of a pair. Maybe i was just unlucky

[@derekfelton8287]

Weight ?

[@MrJohnno89]

@@derekfelton8287 72kg

[@antic4312]

Do you think that the Rincon 3 would make a good long run shoe? I usually struggle finding shoes that I actually enjoy taking on those longer distances like 14+ miles all the way up to 22 miles in preparation for a marathon. Either the shoe feels too heavy (Novablast 2, Pegasus37) or the midsole feels like it flattens out halfway through the run (1080 v11). I have had a little bit of success with something like the Endorphin Speed 2, but I'm not sure I would take out that shoe on every long run either depending on the pace I want to hit.

[@kofuzi]

I think if the novablast 2 are feeling too heavy for your long runs, this could be a good option for you. I might also consider the mach 4.

[@antic4312]

@@kofuzi Thank you! I'll give them a shot. I was also interested in the Mach 4, so I'm glad you brought it up. Maybe I'll pick up a pair this spring. :)

[@tolisthekid]

oh boy, these look like my 2019 solarboosts after 3000 km

[@boti2305]

I guess a 100 miles shouldn't be enough for wear and tear on the upper.

[@RandallBennett23]

Unfortunately, the Rincon 3 is improving off the wrong model. The Rincon 1 was a phenomenal shoe albeit the notorious longevity. For the price point of the Rincon I would have been much happier buying version 1 twice. The upgrades from 2 to 3 were focused too much on the upper and style. For me the shoe of version 1 appeal was its breathability and overall feel . I’m sad to know The lineup has moved away from what made this fleet of shoes so amazing !

[@undeadly1103]

love my rincon 3! 250+ miles and still feels good although i have replaced the paper thin insoles. also they've done something with the midsole structure that has done wonders for it keeping its....structure 😆

[@ibeg1951]

I have rincon2 They have 750km Still use them.

[@kofuzi]

great. thanks for the feedback

[@panagiotischaralampopoulos7152]

Α HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT. THE MAIN PROBLEM FOR ME IS THE CUSHIONING WHICH FOR ME SIMPLY DOES NOT EXIST. THIS IS NOT CUSHIONING FOR HOKA SHOE STIFF AS HELL

[@kofuzi]

there's no need to yell

[@panagiotischaralampopoulos7152]

@@kofuzi i do not yell!!!! i try to explain to people not to spend money for shoes that are overhyped without a reason!!!! these RINCON should cost around 50euros ...not a coin more!!!!!

[@saltyjo7514]

I am a light weight runner. Even for me, Hoka Rincon 3 has very good cushioning. Are you sure you bought a genuine pair? Maybe you bought fakes. Even for the least cushioning Hoka model, it is pretty good. Rincon 3 is quite up there in cushioning.

[@panagiotischaralampopoulos7152]

THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENT. THE SHOES WERE FROM A COMMERCIAL SPORT SHOES STORE IN ATHENS AND I THINK THAT STORE SALES ORIGINALS. AFTER HAVING WEAR AND RUN IN CLIFTON AND BONDI ,,,RINCON WAS TERRIBLE FOR ME. I THINK IN GENERAL HOKA IS NOT WHAT WAS IN THE PAST. ITS LIKE A RESTAURANT WITH GOOD REPUTATION ....AND WHEN IS FULLY BOOKED EVERYDAY ...SPOILS THE FOOD QUALTIY AND QUANTITY. THEY WERE PIONERRS AND NOW NEW BALANCE, AND ASICS HAVE OVERCOME THEM

[@abdoben2269]

I don't recomande it

[@kofuzi]

Can you let me know what youve been enjoying instead?

[@saltyjo7514]

I would still recommend it because it runs really well but I have applied glue all round the edges of the outsole as some preventive measure…

[@derekfelton8287]

why ?