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BT To Deliver UK’s Controversial Government’s Emergency Services Network

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@davidjowett8195
@davidjowett8195 8 күн бұрын
EE, a wholly owned subsidiary of BT, has handed the reins of this project to the parent company. Nothing has really changed. The players are all the same. ESN has been ill conceived from the get go and the tax payer has been paying for it. Other countries are investing in Tetra 2 which would have delivered more than ESN cheaper and faster. Well done the home office.
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff 8 күн бұрын
Well done Tories. Wonder who really got paid.
@hygri
@hygri 8 күн бұрын
Funny how BT used to own BT Cellnet (O2), spun it out & sold it, then bought EE.
@SillieWous
@SillieWous 8 күн бұрын
@@TheWebstaff Indeed. Sound mostly like all the people with know-how have been eliminated by budget-cuts to make the government "more efficient". And the "efficient" corporations are just very efficient at extending the contracts indefinitely to get more money without actually doing anything.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 8 күн бұрын
Yes David absolutely, I should’ve put that across clearer in the video. It just comes across as a reset. Nothings changed except a technicality in who’s doing things. Cheers
@oldstewart9066
@oldstewart9066 8 күн бұрын
@@hygri Wasn't that due to B.T's monopoly in the telecomms market at the time, The current BT with EE doesn't have the same, if any, monopoly that BT with Cellnet did.
@d1now
@d1now 8 күн бұрын
Hang on. BT and EE are the same company now 😂
@johnphillips4783
@johnphillips4783 6 күн бұрын
They merged a year or two ago, I think BT bought out EE
@oddball_the_blue
@oddball_the_blue 4 күн бұрын
@@johnphillips4783 EE was bought out in 2016. It's only in the last 2 years that the BT consumer division has now been rebranded as wholely 'EE'
@Chris-hy6jy
@Chris-hy6jy 8 күн бұрын
Bring back those Philips / Pye radios! That gets my vote 😂
@marco_0599
@marco_0599 6 күн бұрын
...with the mike that looked like an electric shaver! Awesome.
@gordslater
@gordslater 8 күн бұрын
ESN Eventually Supplies Nothing
@stuartd9741
@stuartd9741 7 күн бұрын
That should be the slogan of every government since 1990.
@Atoine-dk4jf
@Atoine-dk4jf 8 күн бұрын
As a one time user of Airwave, I was sometimes surprised how well it worked when I found myself in the 'middle of nowhere'.
@amenaspecialist
@amenaspecialist 6 күн бұрын
380mhz tho so goes a lot further than GSM
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 5 күн бұрын
That's because it was designed to work well in the middle of nowhere. Which is more than can be said of 4G.
@HogwartsBasement
@HogwartsBasement 5 күн бұрын
From any airwave training I’ve had they say that you can guarantee signal at 1 metres from any uk road. The problem is when you aren’t in this area or when you are say inside a building like a hospital police station jail shopping centre or in some houses with foil like insulating barriers . Help isn’t on the way. Your red button will not work. And you will not even know there’s an incident going on in the same building because of this
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 5 күн бұрын
@@HogwartsBasement Building regulations require foil backed plasterboard on exterior walls. Shame it turns every house into a faraday cage.
@HarveyKnicks
@HarveyKnicks 4 күн бұрын
The UK Airwave Service has supposedly got coverage over 99% of the UK geographically.
@cyanade
@cyanade 8 күн бұрын
I don’t blame them for using EE, imo they’re rock solid. But the dumb thing is replacing a 400mhz based service with 700/800mhz.
@Mrjk_88
@Mrjk_88 6 күн бұрын
I couldn't disagree with you more. They aren't so rock solid as you may think when I've used them which was a year or two ago I could barely get any good signal and was very slow. They were also very pushy with putting me on a subscription based service and also limited their loyalty service which rewarded me free data after being with them for a certain amount of time. Clunky app and when I did switch I found it difficult to cancel. By the end of the day it just depends on the location since I am now with Voxi which is ran by vodafone. I get a brilliant calls/text/data to price ratio. Even though they don't have an app their website is easy to log in to and manage my subscription. They don't call me or bother me at all.
@jake_dev1046
@jake_dev1046 5 күн бұрын
BT Own EE.
@cyanade
@cyanade 5 күн бұрын
@ talking about other networks like O2, 3, VF.
@TheBoyCalzone
@TheBoyCalzone 4 күн бұрын
I agree, I find them to have the best signal and speeds in most locations, and never have downtime like I’ve seen the other carriers have, such as when O2 went down and you couldn’t call anyone
@emsservices6090
@emsservices6090 8 күн бұрын
And to add ........ our handsets on the tetra system work fine thank you. Why they need to upgrade to something else I don't know - we can call control, they can call us. thats all we need.
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 5 күн бұрын
The government wants rid of having to pay for a private network aka Airwave. They want to piggy back on 4G/5G that everyone else uses, thinking it will be cheaper.
@HarveyKnicks
@HarveyKnicks 4 күн бұрын
It's mostly down to cost issues being charged by the Airwave Service now owned by Motorola Solutions.
@emsservices6090
@emsservices6090 8 күн бұрын
In ambulance world, the only change we have seen is the roll out for the new terrafix computers in the ambulances, that are now based on a panasonic tablet, in a tough case, mounted to the dash. There is a separate router which can use multi sim or tetra based signalling to get jobs over to the terminals. The changes bring all the ambulance services in the UK onto the same platform in the ambulances themselves, but still use different cad systems to send that info across. The most frustrating part is that the old system used to have a character limit, which meant not all job info or updates came onto the computer. we thought with the new system that had been changed, but oh no, still a silly limit on the info that gets passed.
@itschloetimefr
@itschloetimefr 7 күн бұрын
I'm a dispatcher for my local ambulance service and am similarly frustrated to still see character limits when dispatching to NMA resourced. I'm hoping that once all the resources in the trust are moved to NMA (about 20% still use MDT) we'll be able to get that limited lifted, as it appears to be an arbitrary one set in the CAD config
@KeystoneInvestigations
@KeystoneInvestigations 8 күн бұрын
Your excellent photos/videos of towers/antennas really bring out the nerd in me! 🙂
@peterh9238
@peterh9238 8 күн бұрын
Got to laugh when phrases like 'Award winning network' are used. Awarded by who? oh that's right, the same people who are paid by the networks 🤣🤣🤣 Cant see a 4G ESN ever happening, can see a TETRA mk 2 being rolled out and lots of 'advisors' doing very nicely thank you👍
@p1366
@p1366 8 күн бұрын
EE don't have much sub 1GHz spectrum (700,800,900 MHz) which would give much better rural area performance, EE have 1800MHz, not so good in the remote areas.. with Vodafone now taking over H3G, they would be much better placed to provide the infrastructure for ESN.
@cyanade
@cyanade 8 күн бұрын
What are you on?
@timballam3675
@timballam3675 8 күн бұрын
Starting to worry about my 3 unlimited data sims that cost me less than £20pm........
@japitts2010
@japitts2010 5 күн бұрын
Most of EE's rural sites are dual B3/B20, meaning the vast majority of coverage is overlapping low-band/high-band. Low-band is then only "flying solo" in the most remote and cell-edge situations. It's quite capable of ~60Mb/s in those scenarios.
@gavTFSi
@gavTFSi 3 күн бұрын
You are correct when we only had 2G/3G
@simonberesford-wylie3009
@simonberesford-wylie3009 8 күн бұрын
Has an Emergency Services network been deployed on 4G in any other Country? Not the last time I looked. The original decision was an act of insanity.
@CharlesDickson-nv2ol
@CharlesDickson-nv2ol 8 күн бұрын
It has in parts of the USA but on exclusive frequencies where in the UK I think that they were hoping to share with other cellphone users. This is bad as even if they have priority over other users in a major incident with thousands of members of the public trying to make connections it takes a certain time for each user to have their access request rejected.
@CoolAEW
@CoolAEW 8 күн бұрын
Norway is planning on basing our new ESN on 5G.
@CapaUno1322
@CapaUno1322 8 күн бұрын
@@CoolAEW For Norway see Blackrock
@zeberto1986
@zeberto1986 8 күн бұрын
​@@CharlesDickson-nv2ol I doubt theyll share anything more than the radios. The network underneath should be isolated. An analogy would be corporate v guest wifi at a bank. Same hardware, different networks. From what I understand the same is possible on cell towers.
@stevetucker8630
@stevetucker8630 7 күн бұрын
FirstNet in the USA have been more pragmatic. Start first with broadband data services to emergency services users and once you have that bedded down start introducing voice
@BrianJones761-wc4hu
@BrianJones761-wc4hu 8 күн бұрын
It's reported in the Telegraph today that the Home Office is going to select a joint bid from IBM and Samsung to run the IT part of the ESN. Having different companies must surely be a great idea. I mean what could possibly go wrong :)
@KiwiCatherineJemma
@KiwiCatherineJemma 7 күн бұрын
They should get FUJITSU to provide computer services. They already have one called "Horizon". The folks running it assure us it is absolutely perfect and has no computer bugs.
@thebrowns5337
@thebrowns5337 7 күн бұрын
Ah, the Telegraph... that bastion of truth. lol. They might be onto something this time but if they are it will be by mistake or by copying someone else homework. They don't shine unless making stuff up that supports the far right.
@chriswalford4161
@chriswalford4161 6 күн бұрын
@@KiwiCatherineJemma: Ah no, now, be fair! Fuj never said no bugs!
@highlandoutsider
@highlandoutsider 8 күн бұрын
Id be a lil concerned about where they got a job lot of 2nd receivers from...💥😅
@benjaalbarran-rw6np
@benjaalbarran-rw6np 8 күн бұрын
love your videos they make my day as a 14 year old radio fanatic in south america i would love to be able to recive what you can one day just need rigth set up
@peterh9238
@peterh9238 8 күн бұрын
A PC, SDR and simple antenna is a good place to start 👍
@davidsmith8728
@davidsmith8728 7 күн бұрын
I recall years ago when I was in the Police, there was an episode of 'Tomorrow's World' on TV. They showcased an early mobile 'phone and the presenter said, "Let us talk to our correspondent in Hong Kong." He dialled the number and was able to chat to the other side of the world. One of my mates remarked that we couldn't even talk on the radio to officers a few miles down the road. The Home Office used to supply radio equipment to the Police and it was crap and outdated. We were always the last to get any new tech.
@allancopland1768
@allancopland1768 8 күн бұрын
Ah, Blighty at its finest.
@MrTedjamable
@MrTedjamable 7 күн бұрын
Really excellent video. I’m really interested in the progress of ESN as I’m a paramedic. Thank you for such a detailed update forward to more as this shambles progresses 😃
@andykendall5171
@andykendall5171 8 күн бұрын
I remember the orignal network. I worked for a company who provided access platforms. Sit thier all day with boom at 15mts and 25 mts high with antenna on the cage. Drive every road and cul-de-sac to get signal readings, same for the railways also at the time. Thats around 30yrs ago now..Im old 😂
@Simon-qn5wm
@Simon-qn5wm 8 күн бұрын
2 miles from a large town & I struggle to get a strong 4G EE signal. Many dropped calls & sluggish mobile data.
@zjzozn
@zjzozn 8 күн бұрын
Maybe your phone or lots of buildings in the way. Or change to another provider and get no signal 😂
@ianwalker1182
@ianwalker1182 8 күн бұрын
​ I know a location in the suburbs of London with a heath on one side of the road and hundreds of low rise flats the other where service drops to Edge, or fails. Whoever specified the mobile network failed to understand the reliability required for emergency service is far higher than a phone call. Also what happens when a medic cannot get a signal where the injured person is.
@baronedipiemonte3990
@baronedipiemonte3990 8 күн бұрын
I know that this doesn't have a direct bearing on Lewis' as usual excellent production, but it seems that there must be quite a few damaged portable radios in the UK due to the ĺess than secure manner in which they are carried. Here in the States, fire & LE radios are carried in heavy leather or military nylon cases on belts, with only an external speaker/mic attached to the upper chest/shoulder. And those which are OEM are fairly pricey. Not to mention the radios themselves.
@AidanMacgregor-Personal
@AidanMacgregor-Personal 8 күн бұрын
I map the ESN air to ground by locking phone to band 40 (234-31)
@jplacido9999
@jplacido9999 Күн бұрын
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@garystanley6097
@garystanley6097 7 күн бұрын
Just typical for this country we can’t do jack shit on time and on budget.
@SignalR532
@SignalR532 8 күн бұрын
It is a grift, pure and simple.
@stuartwillis944
@stuartwillis944 8 күн бұрын
When i was in the ambulance service i got to trial a system called forcom it was a smart phone that was linked to a CAD system computer automated dispach that when a 999 call came in into automatically came up on my phone if i was the closed unit and i could press mobile to incedent on the phone. This feature was also going to be used on the ESN handsets when they were going to be rolled out but ESN Is so over budget now and they have had problems with VOIP too.
@the80hdgaming
@the80hdgaming 8 күн бұрын
Governments love to spend money it doesn't need to...
@petefarr8718
@petefarr8718 7 күн бұрын
EE is a subsidiary of BT's consumer division. 'Moving' the contract to to BT Group makes it 'look' like they are taking it more seriously. Ready by the 12th of never,🤔
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 7 күн бұрын
Yes Pete I didn’t get that bit across in the video but yeah it just seems like a “reset”
@davidquirk8097
@davidquirk8097 7 күн бұрын
I think if any organisation can deliver this it's BT. Underneath that dead, corporate carapace, there is a solid, research driven, core of highly capable people. You only have to think back to the early days of mobile phone networks; there was only ever two players then, Vodaphone and Cellnet (British Telecom Securicor Cellular Radio) I know that Vodaphone put a lot of effort into understanding signal propagation in built up areas but Dollis Hill were doing a lot more work on backbone and digital services. As far as the EE costs go I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a significant portion of upgrading / extending their 5G coverage in those 19,000 base station upgrades (not necessarily paid for by the contract but the Engineers are at the sites anyway...)
@nowster
@nowster 8 күн бұрын
Storm Darragh has knocked out all the mobile networks near here as they all share the same tower. (Mynydd Rhiw near Aberdaron, which also used to have a telephone microwave link to Ireland). So ESN would be dead round here today.
@cyanade
@cyanade 8 күн бұрын
TETRA could also be dead.
@COD_Dory
@COD_Dory 6 күн бұрын
today yes however most current esn sies have satellite backhaul and generators so it minimises the chances of going off air
@tech-rich
@tech-rich Күн бұрын
The issue will be in rural areas. Will ESN on 800MHz 4G have the resilience and overlap to support coverage if a key cell site goes down? Not in my area as cells are widely spaced and no new sites have been built. Airwave however has the resilience of overlapping sites on different bearer circuits and the advantage of the low frequency.
@InverhavonRailways
@InverhavonRailways 7 күн бұрын
I hope GSM works better than it did for the railways last week...
@HarveyKnicks
@HarveyKnicks 4 күн бұрын
Are you on about the GSM-R Network that UK Trains use. Network Rail are now on the Airwave Sharers list also.
@jplacido9999
@jplacido9999 Күн бұрын
Can you elaborate ?
@HarveyKnicks
@HarveyKnicks 6 сағат бұрын
@@jplacido9999 on what exactly.
@halfbakedproductions7887
@halfbakedproductions7887 8 күн бұрын
Much of EE's backhaul and back office systems are now wholly managed by BT or ported on to pre-existing BT platforms. Therefore one can't do much without the other. It's like saying Skoda want to bring out a new model of car but VW are going to build it for them.
@seymourpro6097
@seymourpro6097 8 күн бұрын
Tele F and Tele J anyone?
@DJCryptoStix
@DJCryptoStix 8 күн бұрын
Radio operator here, the public let alone legislature knows how radios works 😅
@pandybusman26
@pandybusman26 8 күн бұрын
BT Owns EE
@johnorrells3797
@johnorrells3797 8 күн бұрын
What a mess!
@jhonsiders6077
@jhonsiders6077 7 күн бұрын
Using ballon’s is like something out of a road runner cartoon. Do the say Acme on them ? 😯
@DavidEsp1
@DavidEsp1 4 күн бұрын
Not for use in stormy conditions?
@jhonsiders6077
@jhonsiders6077 4 күн бұрын
@@DavidEsp1 LOL yup Just when you really need emergency communications !!
@grantrennie
@grantrennie 8 күн бұрын
BT=Huwawei
@barrieshepherd7694
@barrieshepherd7694 7 күн бұрын
Nothing wrong with Huawei equipment technically - if you put fers about China to one side Huawei kit is leading edge innovative and - compared to other European sources - very competitively priced. The fear of China was in part built up by European manufacturers trying to maintain their high profit levels and losing business in developing markets across the world to Huawei.
@johnburns5783
@johnburns5783 8 күн бұрын
I bet the first thing BT executives did was to book their Caribbean holidays with these £billions 😉😉😉
@stevesmith7530
@stevesmith7530 4 күн бұрын
I just watched your StarNet video. Funny how the word "optimistic" crops up so often with such projects for both dates and budgets. Its taken the best part of 20 years to get Airwave actually working something near properly.
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff 8 күн бұрын
For esn's prices we could just have sat coverage today..
@zeberto1986
@zeberto1986 8 күн бұрын
Good luck using vsat in bad weather!
@notathome13
@notathome13 8 күн бұрын
And why did they did not prioritised lte on an existing network? Building a dedicated network is excessive but profitable! Changing vendors may mean they ditch moto$camU and use newer better software.
@COD_Dory
@COD_Dory 6 күн бұрын
they are prioritising it on a existing network. the EE nerwork they are just increasing the coverage of the ee network and providing more redundancy to existing sites
@cdl0
@cdl0 7 күн бұрын
I wonder how they will deal with protected conservation areas where there is no signal from any provider because masts are banned, and the terrain blocks everything. Satellite dishes and outdoor aerials are banned under the planning rules, as well, so no TV or VHF-FM reception is possible.
@boilerroombob
@boilerroombob 7 күн бұрын
.they can't even deliver my steady broadband 😂
@mickylee82
@mickylee82 8 күн бұрын
What's wrong with airwave? It's worked fine for years, If it has developed shortcomings then improve on it. Why waste all this money? That's right, to fill the pockets of some CEO somewhere.
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 8 күн бұрын
I think it may be dusty and doesn't have the new chrome handles.
@Milosz_Chrzanowski
@Milosz_Chrzanowski 8 күн бұрын
They should keep their Tetra for now
@dombaker6210
@dombaker6210 5 күн бұрын
So the question is then, will the ESN be ready to take over from tetra at the end of this month when the contract ends? If not, then what? With the legal complications of operating tetra out of contract, let alone the cost, mean reverting back to analogue radios for a couple of years, whilst they get this mess sorted?
@tech-rich
@tech-rich Күн бұрын
Motorola have already forced the government to pay to upgrade core equipment in the Airwave network as Motorola were going to switch it off if they didn't! Airwave isn't going away any time soon.
@StreakyP
@StreakyP 8 күн бұрын
there is an old joke that a camel is a horse that was designed by a committee... the ESN & SRN (PNS, TNS, EAS) exactly fits those criteria. The influence of the lawyers & bean-counters has crucified the possibilities of the network & put the costs through the roof. The worst one is TNS (Total Not Spots)... putting in coverage where no operator currently has coverage.. many of these are totally empty valleys with no roads & no people hence there was a good reason no-one had put in service so far & there will often be zero value to the population for the additional new service (apart for some sheep wanting to stream youtube at high speed). The SLA criteria was primarily an overly simplistic land coverage percentage (regardless of if anyone was there).... one thing they didn't give proper credit for was water coverage where ferry routes & fishermen could benefit so sheep have certainly been prioritised over people in some areas. The biggest problem is that they have taken the design spec for a high capacity urban deployment & just tried to replicate that in remote urban areas that need something simpler (an empty valley does not need 12 sectors of traffic capacity (4 operators kit x 3 sectors)... & the microwave capacity for this, & the battery capacity for this, & the mast size for this & the foundation size for this).... this thing has grown like topsy.
@robertmeyer4744
@robertmeyer4744 7 күн бұрын
I worry about emergency services that relays on systems like this. Using a cell network to handle radio comms . It is like a POC radio . Hear in the US we had a major problem with that in a few states like north Carolina whear a storm took out power grid and cell networks . First responders in affected area lost all contact with the outside world. It came down to SAT phones and amanature radio and some CB and GMRS radios to get comms threw to outside world. This was very bad. Many lives were lost because of storm. All that depending on a network that want down and in spots was down over a month . I hope the world can learn from this . With the wind storm that hit UK taking the grid down and cell phones out as well. this could leave emergency services with no way to do radio traffic of life threatening information. From the few first responders I know in the US . That have back up FM simplex radios they use. In the case of last summer in North Carolina that is all that worked. and the SAT phones. This effected such a large area . covering a few states in the US. I hear south Wales in UK got bad winds and mains out all over . What ever system they go with I hope they consider a network down and back up comms . Cheers from NY,USA !
@owensmith7530
@owensmith7530 5 күн бұрын
The existing Airwave network the UK has been using for over 20 years is a cell based network. But the cells are a lot bigger than 4G since it runs on frequencies either side of 400MHz. And so far Airwave has been very robust in inclement weather, but then it is a bespoke network built for emergency service use so you'd expect it to be.
@robertmeyer4744
@robertmeyer4744 5 күн бұрын
@@owensmith7530 Not the same in USA. The cell 4G/5G network completely failed. Leaving emergency services with FM simplex only and used sat phone to ask for outside help .All the outher repeaters went down as well. Hurricane took out towers and mains .
@theolderigetthewrongbitget4746
@theolderigetthewrongbitget4746 8 күн бұрын
I have just watched a Google video saying IBM/Samsung are poised to win the contract.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 8 күн бұрын
That’s just the IT side
@kevincorbett-x9n
@kevincorbett-x9n 8 күн бұрын
They can’t even guarantee home owners good service late players to internet
@oddball_the_blue
@oddball_the_blue 4 күн бұрын
There's been a few different things with this (as well as some incorrect details about BT/EE). 1. Frequency availability hasn't happened as quickly as expected (specifically 3G being shut down) 2. Motorola dragging feet with the kit - this was covered but the impact not really being shown as to how much that impacted things. 3. Huawei kit being deemed vulnerable - at the time, they were the makers of the best kit, with the widest capabilities. EE had to wait for Ericsson kit to catch up which also really hampered matters. Finally as many have mentioned - BT owns EE (and has since 2016). Regarding 'EE''s existence now - it's replaced BT's Consumer division. And EE's Business division has gone over to BT. This has also lead to it's own bucket of issues, but EE is still very much part of the ESN network, but the billing side will be BT business. The contracts never actually changed hands in the way implied.
@Aletsch
@Aletsch 8 күн бұрын
If you want further 'what the hell is going on here ?' EE is it seems taking over the entire contract for mobile phone supply for BT customers by automatic roll on (and the two companies seem to remain linked as a corporate entity) yet somehow EE by my observations seems to provide the best cell coverage I have experienced from any provider. And here I am wondering how they lost the government contract to their inferior performing (in the public space) 'parent' company.
@DavidPritt-xh7qq
@DavidPritt-xh7qq 7 күн бұрын
It would be interesting to know what other countries use for their emergency services, could we learn lessons from them and share development costs etc, I remember going to a launch of the EE EMS service in London nearly a decade ago, lot of hype, but nobody could answer some of my questions about capacity and resilience. No doubt someone has certainly reaped the rewards, but not the tax payer, who seems to have been stung yet again.
@angeley3756
@angeley3756 8 күн бұрын
Do a freedom of information requests
@mracce55
@mracce55 7 күн бұрын
Wonder what the overspend on this is? Wouldn't let any government organise an egg and spoon race.
@stanwilson8089
@stanwilson8089 6 күн бұрын
Surely,the government should own the network
@alancobbin
@alancobbin 8 күн бұрын
Merge Co would do a much better job now they have become the biggest UK network with £11 Billion investment over the next 10 years.
@CapaUno1322
@CapaUno1322 8 күн бұрын
Blackrock
@sbrader97
@sbrader97 4 күн бұрын
Theres an ee mast about 200m away from my house and I only get 2 bars granted the mast is at a small general hospital so maybe they have to reduce the signal strength but theres no obstructions and the signal is that low this close to the mast no way would this network ever work well for emegency services unless they keep tetra as backup or something they will need way more masts
@HarveyKnicks
@HarveyKnicks 4 күн бұрын
When the ESN Network is eventually introduced to the UK EMS, It will at first run alongside the Tetra Airwave Service. One of the reasons why hybrid handsets like the Motorola MXP660 are being introduced by Motorola plus other Tetra manufacturers that will support Tetra and LTE services also.
@thomasstokes6633
@thomasstokes6633 5 күн бұрын
This goes back to when airwave was first introduced. Unlike most countries where the tetra network was made to be government owned. We contracted it out to airwave to own and build the network to reduce costs then the government just rents it.
@Sarah9677
@Sarah9677 3 күн бұрын
At an eye watering cost estimated to be £250 million per year, that saying £2 billion has already been spend on trying to set up the ESN.
@DavidShepheard
@DavidShepheard 5 күн бұрын
We should just renationalise telecommunications in the UK and make ESN a government service, instead of a contract put out to tender.
@ianwalker1182
@ianwalker1182 8 күн бұрын
From the start a POC system would need a lot more capacity than the mobile phone network has
@arthurtwoshedsjackson6266
@arthurtwoshedsjackson6266 7 күн бұрын
Get them on Zello 😂
@ianwalker1182
@ianwalker1182 7 күн бұрын
@@arthurtwoshedsjackson6266 It is basically a private form of Zello, with far more backend infrastructure, the problems remain, radio dead spots are still dead, limited backhaul capacity is still limited. If you cannot make a Zello contact it doesn't mater to you, if a police officer calls for backup or an ambulance, having no signal is serious.
@BobHannent
@BobHannent 7 күн бұрын
They're probably sounding like its already delivered because they're already delivering non-emergency calling to home office users.
@Orcaben1
@Orcaben1 4 күн бұрын
i mean you can't get anymore British than this whole mess can you
@anthonyprime
@anthonyprime 6 күн бұрын
I’ve has misgivings about this from the off. As far as I can see, any purely mobile network can never really be fit for purpose as an ESN. Trying to replicate feature to feature with Tetra is just a fools errand it seems, As Tetra is architected to deliver an ESN rather than a consumer mobile non mission critical cellphone network. The ability for a tetra handset to be configured as a node relay for other local users is a case in point. 4/5G might get to 80% of functionality but to go further will be hugely expensive. So, let’s assume we get to 85% of Tetra - how many deaths result from that missing 15% reach? Cellular just isn’t fit for purpose, which in turns means it can never really be fit for use.
@winstonchurchill6506
@winstonchurchill6506 8 күн бұрын
1.40 clip lewis that mast looks like its on a bunker site info please
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 8 күн бұрын
Just a water reservoir. It’s high lane
@cloughy010199
@cloughy010199 3 күн бұрын
BT are losing out on the operator and integration side of the network though. Their contract is for the infrastructure only. The £900m contract for managing accounts, providing devices and operating the 'push to talk' features are likely to go to an IBM/Samsung JV.
@rickchapman9232
@rickchapman9232 8 күн бұрын
Can you tell us how tall the cell towers are in feet? Ours are 50 to 400 feet tall.
@MaxPlayle
@MaxPlayle 4 күн бұрын
Doubt it but I wonder if there will be any cheap airwave radios going when the switch happens? So long as the entire network is no longer used it shouldn’t matter… do they need all these masts for airwave to work? Or can airwave operate locally P2P?
@franklinwerren7684
@franklinwerren7684 7 күн бұрын
What standards are they using??? In the US in my area it seems to be APCO p25 phase 2. Scanners are a bit pricey though….. DE N2JYG
@robinwells8879
@robinwells8879 7 күн бұрын
It’s probably a good thing because it’s likely that the network would be used against us all or they simply wouldn’t care about doing it.
@timballam3675
@timballam3675 8 күн бұрын
The best bit is it's illegal to use 4G based handheld devices if in control of a motor vehicle isn't it?
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 8 күн бұрын
Absolutely! Very interesting point
@stevetucker8630
@stevetucker8630 7 күн бұрын
These are PTT over LTE services so simplex operation rather than the duplex of a normal phone.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 7 күн бұрын
The law is around the frequency if I remember correctly
@barrieshepherd7694
@barrieshepherd7694 7 күн бұрын
@@RingwayManchester I believe so as there was an expansion of the PTT Group services over cellular and there was worry that every man jack white van man would be using them while travelling. This government will just get the S of S to write up a Statutory Instrument varying the Law to allow Emergency Services use free of RTA restrictions.
@over-engineered
@over-engineered 7 күн бұрын
the whole ESN thing seems pointless with Starlink able to offer the high speed data/video anywhere, and Tetra is already there for voice.
@JackosJingles
@JackosJingles 6 күн бұрын
I opted out, I don't care.
@benbradbury3665
@benbradbury3665 2 күн бұрын
Should have been starlink…. Direct to cell..
@MrTsVideoEmporium
@MrTsVideoEmporium 8 күн бұрын
I thought EE & BT were as one anyway ???
@spakkajack
@spakkajack 6 күн бұрын
more taxpayers money being pissed away
@grumpyhale821
@grumpyhale821 7 күн бұрын
BT stole the contract from EE now BT owns EE. Well done for slagging off the corpse of what used to be a brilliant company.
@excossack
@excossack 8 күн бұрын
I thought IBM had the contract now ?
@barrieshepherd7694
@barrieshepherd7694 7 күн бұрын
IBM were reported to be in the frame for the back office & Dispatcher systems - along with Samsung. It would make sense for the radio infrastructure to be operated by a conventional carrier with existing sites and the dispatcher / IT systems to be run by a similar expert - although I'm not confident that IBM would be my first choice for a dispatcher system!
@smilly9
@smilly9 7 күн бұрын
Waste of money, Airwave does what police need, a radio that you can listen to, grab and use quickly, this will just be another mobile phone.
@dougle03
@dougle03 6 күн бұрын
Time for a update on the Railway's GSM-r system! I understand it's undergoing some review and possibly upgrade... It was already out of date when it was built over 10 years ago. Can't wait to see how they f*ck it up again this time.... Yet more STA's (Single tender actions) with zero commercial freedoms ultimately resulting in vastly higher costs for the taxpayer....
@alzeNL
@alzeNL 8 күн бұрын
All I can do, is just do a picard face palm meme.
@bentheguru4986
@bentheguru4986 7 күн бұрын
Sounds like here in QLD, Australia, Government rolled out expemely expensive GWN (Government Wireless Network). Got in bed with a big-player Telco and of course, lock-ins and price hikes appeared. Poor choices and decicions clearly made by monkey's resulted in it only being rolled out in Brisbane and surround areas then money ran out. Decision was to use UHF rather than VHF High-band which travels better through terain and smoke where UHF deteriorates quickly. Installations were with budget 1/4 wave antennas in poor locations, low power levels and of course, very poor training. Now, there is VHF mid-band and UHF anaolg systems and now this digital. It;s been rolled further now but with the absence of the encryption tech. Now, comms suck worse than ever. It was bad enough getting an antenna to work on the VHF which covered 72MHz all the way to 86MHz, nothing covers all that and expects to work.
@alanmunro888
@alanmunro888 8 күн бұрын
You obviously didn't read the Times today, where they said that Bt were unlikely to get the contract. The favourite is a consortium involving Samsung.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 8 күн бұрын
That story came out later and it’s for the IT side…
@JoeNTMY
@JoeNTMY 8 күн бұрын
I'm guessing EE will return aby profit from the original contract, seeing as they were nowhere near close to fulfilling it.
@simonallen6427
@simonallen6427 7 күн бұрын
Isn't EE owned by BT, in the event of a power cut BT digital customers can't connect to the network because the digital services need both the home hub and ONT to have power! In the event cut digital customers need both the ONT and the Home Hub to be separately connected to a UPS, which BT don't include in the Package! Typical of BT, the ONT and Home Hub Power Jack are different sizes, thus requiring separate UPSs! Therefore, the customer can't call for help if there is a power cut, just when help is needed the most! So, I hate to think what the reliability of this new system is going to be like?
@barrieshepherd7694
@barrieshepherd7694 7 күн бұрын
Use a small mains UPS for both power packs.
@richardbrown7970
@richardbrown7970 7 күн бұрын
I still do not get a signal at my house.
@CPU-64
@CPU-64 7 күн бұрын
What’s controversial about this. ??? It makes sense to keep it within the Uk for national security reasons !!! Not handing it out to foreign countries and companies.
@RingwayManchester
@RingwayManchester 7 күн бұрын
Why are you shouting? It’s been dubbed controversial because billions has been spent and it’s likely to be delayed by almost 14 years at least. Calm yourself down
@trappedinroom1014
@trappedinroom1014 7 күн бұрын
I thought the system they trialled with the police was dangerous to health…the earpieces and body worn devices caused a wide range of injuries including psychotic behaviour and mood swings? Is this a similar system? Plus anyone living in the path of those antennas got really sick.
@theodore881
@theodore881 5 күн бұрын
You might know this why is their so many wires coming from those repeaters/phone mask?
@amenaspecialist
@amenaspecialist 6 күн бұрын
The fact BT have got anything to do with it means it’s going to be a shit show 😅
@jamble7k
@jamble7k 8 күн бұрын
we need something like starlink this is antiquated shite
@kensmith5694
@kensmith5694 8 күн бұрын
Starlink may have trouble soon. Look up the kessler syndrome. We are getting dangerously close to that. A network that works like the internet's original design could be better. Each router could find any path that works and go with it.
@barrieshepherd7694
@barrieshepherd7694 7 күн бұрын
Not very useful inside a building
@Porty1119
@Porty1119 6 күн бұрын
@@barrieshepherd7694 Starlink or other mobile SATCOM terminals with a low-power UHF transceiver backhauling voice over IP would work. I'll be building one for personal use in remote areas in a few weeks; a portable radio will be usable when in a building or out of the vehicle. I believe some rural Australian police use a similar system.
@DavidEsp1
@DavidEsp1 4 күн бұрын
Foreign controlled
@jamble7k
@jamble7k 4 күн бұрын
@DavidEsp1 you mean like everything else in the uk
@weymouthladuk
@weymouthladuk 5 күн бұрын
EE is rubbish!
@grantc8353
@grantc8353 8 күн бұрын
EE are BT 😭
@TiredMorgan
@TiredMorgan 5 күн бұрын
BT and EE are the same company though...
@MrJoshmister
@MrJoshmister 6 күн бұрын
Aren't EE and BT the same company ?
@petechongy
@petechongy 8 күн бұрын
I was one of the first in the UK to start using dolphin radios as it was known back then and the coverage was awesome back then there is nothing wrong with airwave and should never be shut down. Stupid gov ideas are mental. Thank fuck I'm not on EE coz I now forsee severe issues cropping up.
@IANREA
@IANREA 6 күн бұрын
Yet Other countries are now on 5.5g, not 4
@robinwells8879
@robinwells8879 7 күн бұрын
Perhaps they should get in touch with the special pager supplier based in Hungary or some such place. The prices were very competitive and the service took off with a bang as I recall.😂
@johnbewick6357
@johnbewick6357 8 күн бұрын
EE no good at all where I am. O2 only service that works, and even that not very good. What the heck are any emergency services going to do if there is an incident here. Not even BT landlines from next year with everything going Voip.
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