Rio Meets Oleksandr Zinchenko | The difference between Arteta & Pep? | Life At Arsenal

What is the difference for Oleksandr Zinchenko when comparing Mikel Arteta’s Arsenal and Pep Guardiola’s Man City changing rooms? What are the big personalities such as Martin Ødegaard & Kevin De Bruyne like? What was the mood in the Arsenal camp come the end of the season? What was the reason for Arsenal’s drop-off In form last season? Welcome to FIVE KZbin channel. Today, Rio Ferdinand & Joel Beya interview Arsenal Left Back Oleksandr Zinchenko! Tune in to hear Zinchenko answer some much anticipated questions ahead of the ‘Game4Ukraine’ charity match that aims to raise money for those in Ukraine. Zinchenko (who organised the event) will manage a team that will face off against Andriy Shevchenko’s team at Stamford Bridge on 5 August, featuring past and present Ukrainian football starts such as Mudryk and Mykolenko!
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0:00; - Intro
0:58; - How did the Game4Ukraine come about?
2:13; - What’s been the impact on Zinchenko personally?
4:28; - Zinchenko thanks everyone for their support for Ukraine so far
5:53; - How important was Andriy Shevchenko in organising this event?
6:27; - How did Zinchenko adapt when he moved to Europe’s top leagues?
7:54; - What was the winning culture like at Manchester City?
9:24; - Who had the biggest influence for Zinchenko at Man City?
11:13; - Could Oleksandr tell Arteta would be a top manager when they were at Man City?
12:10; - How has Zinchenko found the inverted full-back role?
16:12; - What needed to change when he joined Arsenal?
17:30; - How does Oleksandr Zinchenko deal with criticism?
18:51; - How good are Arsenal’s new transfer signings?
19:47; - Best player that Zinchenko played with?
20:29; - Who was the hardest worker he’s played with?
21:15; - Most surprising footballing talent he’s seen?
22:26; - Zinchenko asks Rio, name someone better at high pressing than Gabriel Jesus?
23:35; - Which player is the most similar to how Zinchenko plays?
23:56; - How do you improve on your own weaknesses?
26:59; - Who’s the toughest opponent Zinchenko has faced?
28:31; - Can Saliba become the best CB in the world?
30:44; - Outro
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0:00; - Intro 0:58; - How did the Game4Ukraine come about? 2:13; - What’s been the impact on Zinchenko personally? 4:28; - Zinchenko thanks everyone for their support for Ukraine so far 5:53; - How important was Andriy Shevchenko in organising this event? 6:27; - How did Zinchenko adapt when he moved to Europe’s top leagues? 7:54; - What was the winning culture like at Manchester City? 9:24; - Who had the biggest influence for Zinchenko at Man City? 11:13; - Could Oleksandr tell Arteta would be a top manager when they were at Man City? 12:10; - How has Zinchenko found the inverted full-back role? 16:12; - What needed to change when he joined Arsenal? 17:30; - How does Oleksandr Zinchenko deal with criticism? 18:51; - How good are Arsenal’s new transfer signings? 19:47; - Best player that Zinchenko played with? 20:29; - Who was the hardest worker he’s played with? 21:15; - Most surprising footballing talent he’s seen? 22:26; - Zinchenko asks Rio, name someone better at high pressing than Gabriel Jesus? 23:35; - Which player is the most similar to how Zinchenko plays? 23:56; - How do you improve on your own weaknesses? 26:59; - Who’s the toughest opponent Zinchenko has faced? 28:31; - Can Saliba become the best CB in the world? 30:44; - Outro

[@son0funiverse]

Thank you Rio

[@ashley5420]

I wonder how long until he cries?😂😂

[@barigyepaulo5457]

... 10:49 .. . .

[@natebmcfc9279]

🐐

[@srykextraodinairecreation9962]

Brilliant speaker. Zinchenko can be the best Pundit when he retired. Everything he said make sense and down to earth

[@rkyflyr7055]

100% i love it he explains so well

[@Godspeedysick]

Or a future manager…

[@EastStandGG]

You listened to this and thought pundit? He’s going into coaching. The only reason he won’t be a success is potentially his ability to control his emotions. Other than that his tactical mind is elite

[@martinlally2666]

Nice I terviewing from Rio too knew when to speak and when to let him speak. Props to that

[@shmapledoop]

His wife is journalist, so I bet she taught him some skills on micro

[@dariustebby]

You got to love Zinchenko, 31 minutes felt like 10 minutes, he will definitely make a good coach.

[@21DMN]

This conversation with Zinchenko is gold. What an explanation of tactics and individual performance. Thats why City an Pep are the best.

[@thacrypt223]

Zinchenko is truly a humble man, and probably a future manager. Love to have him at Arsenal!

[@janforan]

The best football interview I think I've ever seen. When it finished I found myself saying 'wow' a rolls royce of an interview. Zinchenko speaks incredibly well, with the passion he plays with on the pitch. Honest, insightful and you can tell he always wants to learn and improve. Rio asked some brilliant questions and got the best out of him. Top top work! Zinchenko has really gone up in my estimations after this. As an Arsenal fan, he is someone you want in your team but after this, he is someone you really want to be mates with. Thankyou FIVE team

[@thacrypt223]

I was super glued to the screen, and suddenly the video was over. Realllyyy interesting conversation. Best football interview I have watched I think.

[@gbart2devilish570]

As a Man Utd fan must admit it’s hard to hate this guy after that interview… he speaks about football so well. Fair play he’ll make an incredible pundit if he wants to

[@PrabhavKhandelwal]

Same 😂

[@CMZ007]

Really? He comes across as a twat as always. "I am going to be coach". Of course you are Rio. I guess Arsene Wenger and Emma Hayes will stand aside to your input!

[@Jrt91]

🥱 I can’t stand the guy

[@SpiritmanProductions]

I know I'm biased, but Zinchenko gives a more intelligent and eloquent interview in English than many English players!

[@apachebadindian]

Facts...he could teach Harry Kane how to speak 😅

[@SpiritmanProductions]

@@apachebadindian I think the crayon muncher is beyond help, tbh 😂

[@The-ur6ir]

Zinchenko is so humble. Eggs never teach chicken, just shows how much respect he has for coaches to not judge them. These days it's so easy for pundits to judge and criticise coaches / managers for views and popularity.

[@SwellyTheExpress]

Long time listener - but have never commented. THIS is the best interview I may have ever seen. The tactical insight that Zinchenko gave coupled with his passion? Oof, absolutely world class interview. Amazing.

[@herbertes4837]

Zinchenko is proper mad scientist, philosopher..very intelligent 🧠. I am a gooner who likes Rio ..he is a normal guy.

[@homieel3256]

There are many gems in this interview. Zinchenko is top of the chain, very articulate and humble, solid mentality. Rio as always with good follow up questions and he doesn't interrupt. Great interview.

[@edokachukwuanugo2223]

He’s honest, humble and intelligent, he’ll make a great manager!

[@ramblingbootsIRL]

His body language when Rio asked him if he knew Arteta would be a good manager. Priceless

[@DustyFC]

Yeah he obviously wanted to say something when he took that deep breath, probably wanted to go more in depth but knew it wouldn't be wise

[@lukestrauss8933]

This guy gets stick, but hands down one of the greatest signings this club has ever made. How can you not love him. Yes he has weaknesses, but we he offers both on and off the pitch is special.

[@AlexND]

Brilliant interview! Thank you Rio, thank you Zina! Thank you to the people of the UK who stand with Ukraine! It is appreciated!

[@louisepage192]

I could have watched hours of you two talking about football, brilliant interview. I'm so glad Zinchenko is an Arsenal player, COYG. Hope he gets fit soon.

[@cityslacker6221]

Such an amazing young man. I miss him as a city player terribly. Best of luck Zinny!

[@mduzungu3146]

Top interview. Love Zinchenko as a player. Our best signing for me from last season. Transformed us. When he's not available we lose our catalyst to attack. No one Zinchenko's like Zinchenko. Brilliant player.

[@danielskilton3575]

Must say Timber is a fantastic back up for him

[@nlizzy9071]

U only signed him, Jesus, Turner, Vieira n Jorginho n Trossard came in Jan so it could only be between him n Jesus for signing of the season not much competition is it really looool😂😂😂😂

[@samuelmoore5584]

Zinchenko is a very intelligent footballer. His analysis of the game, especially his errors, is spot on.

[@afanwithagun]

Not surprised at his understanding. He played for Pep, and now is playing for Arteta.

[@user-tr9kw7jz3z]

Going from a treble winner to a cone layer for the only defender in the EPL who can't defend

[@afanwithagun]

@@user-tr9kw7jz3z What you people get out of hating and calling Arteta a cone layer? Its really boring now please!

[@user-tr9kw7jz3z]

@@afanwithagun I'm waiting 4 years for this cone layer and clown who u call 'a world class and elite manager' to prove all us real match going fans wrong. When do u think this process u idiots trust is going to end, 2048?

[@devonbeckles4399]

Zinko explains wat he experience in life and football very good tbh

[@Ibrahim-nf6yh]

His English has improved too a lot. He sounds so commanding with his voice maybe cuz of his experience from playing at City

[@devonbeckles4399]

@@Ibrahim-nf6yh yess it's improved but it's how he really breaks down and uses little object lessons so that everyone listen is on a level with him ...

[@lukashbeeharry5127]

What a great lad . Doesnt matter who you support this guy is a pleasure to listen to.

[@kelvinbobmanuel]

My goodness! He's so freaking intelligent..I'm in awe

[@RadioMajestic]

this is the BEST football interview i have watched in my life. zinny can really explain to us casual footy fans how it actually feels to be on the pitch over there with them. amazing questions from rio. absolute pleasure to listen to them.

[@bahatirogers6914]

One of the best interviews I've watched in the world of football. Very honest

[@Hartlehh]

As a United fan, you can’t help but be in awe of how calm and well spoken he was in this interview. Seems like a top bloke. Would like to see him move into punditry if he doesn’t go into Ukrainian politics!

[@user-ju4ek1cr5o]

He wont't go into politics) For 1000%

[@Hartlehh]

@@user-ju4ek1cr5o ah right, I take it you live inside his brain and can predict the future? That’s a real talent my friend!

[@user-ju4ek1cr5o]

yes

[@Hartlehh]

@@user-ju4ek1cr5o haha respect brother

[@samwatts5714]

What an insight 👏🏼 mad respect for Oleksander 💙💛

[@awfan221]

As a City fan, I loved Gabby, he was my 3rd favorite player after Kompany and Bernardo. I love players who run their butts off and play for the badge every minute, you can tell from their work ethic and how they celebrate goals for and against, how they celebrate wins, etc... But the beauty about players like Gabby and Bernardo is that they're not just headless chickens like Gallagher, they are intelligent and have amazing abilities on the ball, rarely losing possession. Their gameplay is amazing.

[@despiseact4759]

Gallagher catching strays

[@ralteh3390]

@@despiseact4759 fr what did bro even do?😭

[@hitmorelicks-gamingskating1856]

@@despiseact4759That was funny as hell I can’t lie

[@Markbarr9]

Zinchenko, what a guy! Props to Rio for the realest interview ever!

[@blakefish80]

I love this lad, he's an absolute icon to us here at City. All the best for the new season Zinny.

[@chuksifeanyi4289]

Beautiful interview, absolutely beautiful. I never knew Zinny speaks so well. So calm, articulate, and humble.

[@user-iw5gg8ng3p]

He is a leader loving his family and his nation despite his age.God bless this young man

[@freezydmx7820]

Zinchenko is real humble very down to earth very honest. He is really a great player. Great interview.

[@David-ir5op]

This boy will go a long way in this game. Very very intelligent and his willingness to learn will make him one of the greats at "The Arsenal".

[@Tow131]

Yeah ? Then why did city let his crying ass go

[@TJTOPBOY]

One of the greats at Arsenal? Bit far fetched lol

[@JohnRubinoSmith]

Zinchenkoooo what an interview. Best interview I have ever heard. Could listen to him all day long. Speaks with passion and intelligence.

[@PlanB_]

Great interview! love how open he was about everything! big respect to Zinchenko

[@mujeebahmed7940]

Zinchenko is a future manager for sure.. his mentality is elite! COYG!!!!!

[@Earth_Laws]

Thread 🧵 I Love him. But. Arsenal struggle BAD in 1st phase of build up when the opp Front 3 are narrow. It DOES matter if it’s 2 or a wide 3 or a narrow 3. Or if the Opp are sitting or pressing in a 4-4-2, 4-5-1, 3-5-2, 4-3-3 wide or narrow, 3-4-3, 5-4-1, 5-3-2. You are always meant to have 1 more player than the opp centrally. (If you want to build up). So if the Opp have 2 up top then you need 3. Just like your always meant to have 1 more back for defensive transitions. So, if the opp go 4-4-2, then they have 2 up top and 2 in central midfield. You combat this with the ‘M’ 3-2-5. This is what Arsenal and it works Vs a 4-4-2. If the Opp sit or press in a 4-5-1 or a 4-3-3 wide then they have 1 up top and 3 in central midfield. So you combat that by going into the ‘W’. 2-3-5. If the opp sit or press in a 5-4-1 then they have 1 up top and 2 centrally. Then you go 2-2-6. To combat that. When the opp sit or press in a 4-3-3 narrow like Brentford and Southampton at home last year (off the top of my head) then this is where the Problem happens. It’s a problem Every single time it happens. Now it’s happens again Vs Monaco. Arteta doesn’t change it from game to game. Just sticks with the ‘W’ 3-2-5 & the ‘M’ 2-3-5. They Don’t do anything about the other formations the opp set up with. 2 things they need to do. If they still wanna build up then zinc needs to Stay wide and not invert. Then if The right winger is inside then it has left zinc with soo much space again. It’s the only way to combat it. They need to WAKE UP. Tactical inept. can’t keep doing the same thing and expect different results. Fans ain’t gonna put up with it.

[@tonbraalexander6485]

Sure

[@markochieng9418]

😂the saliba part is the best. I still remember zinchenko going on his knees bamboozled. He is very smart for a player and I hope we can improve next season with him

[@David-vr3oy]

‘The egg doesn’t teach the chicken’ is such a good phrase, I wonder if that’s a Ukrainian phrase, I’ve never heard it and I love it! 😂

[@JameBlack]

Yep, there is this phrase in Ukrainian language

[@pelseynzenze8415]

Wowww…What an interview. You can tell he is a hard worker and down to earth. I envy Arsenal fans for having such a guy in their team. Very easy to love. If u know and acknowledge your weaknesses, you’ve won in life.

[@hectorr6299]

This is why Arsenal are building a football monster machine because their players not only have talent but the right mentality

[@Melissa-jx6cy]

Yes!! So teachable , humble , eager to learn and a lot of passion!

[@KemelayefaOtue]

Zinchenko is going to go be a good manager. His understanding about tactics is top notch

[@GavinROfficial]

What a legend he is 🇺🇦

[@Your-wife-sexual-partner]

Legend of what? crying?

[@mrspilling7664]

Looking forward to watching the GAME 4 UKRAINE ⚽📺 Sat 5pm Sky Max & Sky Showcase (UK) 🌻🕊️🇺🇦🙏 Go Captain Zinchenko & Team Yellow 🌻💙💛🙏

[@Jrt91]

Never done anything he’s not a legend

[@beriljoseph6502]

Legend 😮😢😢😢😢😮😮😮

[@TJ-zm3gz]

This was an eye opener to a football fan. I rate how much he knows he needs to improve defensively

[@iman7j887]

I'm united fan but this guy is so underrated, but i couldn't see my self that i listen to his interview and actually likes him lol. Great guy, wish him the best.

[@diinicade1085]

Zinchenko is so humble , this guy is so good how he analyze the football am sure he reads the ball everyday , he know his weakness and tells the people what his weakness is , I would love to listen zinchenko poscast that he is talking only the football 👏👏🔥🤍

[@damienssportshorts4429]

Rio is really good at interviewing, in my opinion. Let's people talk and appears engaged. Fair play

[@evanmccord5396]

Zinnnnnnyyyyy!!!!!! slava Ukraini!!! 💛💙💛💙 What a CLASS human for The Arsenal! ❤🤍 You are a Hero to me. Have been following you since your Shaktar, and what a joy to have you at my favorite club. I was taring up the Eredivisie with you and Kovalenko in FIFA16. I was always paying attention to Shevchenko and Ukraine since I was a young lad. Much respect to the dedication, passion, and consistency that radiates from your great country. My heart beats blue for the countless travesties occurring in your Homeland. For Rio, I appreciate such a legend as yourself putting your club rivalries aside to use your platform to interview this amazing man. You made me a fan of your game when you were distressing the Arsenal attackers, but today I am a fan of the man. I will be following and supporting from the PNW of the US. I wish all good health and happiness.

[@elingrome5853]

Hes in London earning millions... meanwhile the Azovs are press ganging teenage boys into their certain death...the whole thing stinks - end the war asap!

[@hagodi]

Amazing interview. This guy is so smart! Incredible how talented these kids are.

[@samuellastdon8196]

Zinchenko great player, God bless Ukraine, Amazing voice for Zinchenko, thanks so much Rio Ferdinand

[@pwrofmusic]

This is a brilliant video. Seamed like a therapy session. Loved it. Zinchenko's understanding of the game is great. He is humble as well and is open to learn new stuff still. Brilliant!!! I'm so happy to have him at Arsenal.

[@pauldavid1388]

This is one of the best interviews i've watched, the man smell football. 👏 👏 👏

[@fortunentikinca2002]

Brilliant interview Zuni’s passion about football is incredible and the respect he has for his teammates 👌👌👌

[@mangkuiscofield7464]

Alexander Zinchenko has a great understanding of the game with a genuine taste of football. A real baller who plays with their head. He gave an amazing insights of how to play it properly. A real student of the game.

[@ExclusiveTrance]

This is football and life content of the best quality Internet has to offer. In terms of football content, FIVE and the Overlap are the only things I watch. The quality is through the roof, in the Rio Meets... section. Amazing!! And Oleksandr Zinchenko, such a pleasent suprise and such an amazing guy! I'm from Romania Oleksandr, your people are a strong people, you will pull through this nonsense, I KNOW you will. Slava Ukraini! Po vsiy zemli slava! Much love. Peace.

[@TheShweppes]

Thank you bro!

[@bradfoster5643]

He has so much passion for the game. You can tell he watches a lot of football.

[@user-tr9kw7jz3z]

Shame he doesn't have the same passion to defend his country because he can't defend for Arsenal

[@johnogoshi357]

Zincheko is eloquent & posses excellent leadership qualities. Good luck for the charity match.

[@JP-fc6hq]

Wow..what an intellect and attitude! So proud he's an arsenal player. All about culture and values. Bravo OZ👏

[@jdrama2550]

👏🏼 what a guy! Love it, eloquent and passionate. You were good too Rio.

[@user-zo9eu2vi5h]

Brilliant. 2 gentlemen great advocates for football and humanity

[@Jrt91]

Ferdinand? Lol

[@sashankabarman7217]

Nice interview. Zinchenko a man with Tactics, Character, personality and footballing quality.

[@clipped6963]

What a great guy above everything, yes he might lapse sometimes in concentration defending but he is so KEY to build up play, hopefully we can have a lb behind him this season if games become stretched 🙏

[@rediii9239]

That’s why we got timber. When a more physical athletic presence is needed well use him, if we need tactical masterclass with beautiful passes into the final 3rd then we got zinny. Tierney just doesn’t cut it, he’s too one dimensional.

[@kings-Rex]

Wanted to watch about 5 mins, ended watching the whole thing and it felt like it went on only for 5mins. I could watch you both for a whole day. Very intelligent Player Zinny is, and your questions Rio are really top drawer

[@AaronnMan]

I love these kind of interviews ❤ Shout out to Rio ❤

[@buzzfeed78]

the first person ever to explain football tactics in the easiest way ever, absolutely brilliant speaker and amazing player

[@ikennambonu3157]

This is a beautiful interview. Thank you Rio for your professional approach and the questions were indeed sublime. We live you Zinny, you are just a wonderful personality

[@henryntiero3979]

Zinchenko you are a wizard. Your two sense is too amazing, glad to have you in the arsenal squad. Speak so eloquently

[@pellelidell007]

Highly interesting and educative interview. Zinko really shows what a great person he is: intelligent, analytical, and very sympathetic.

[@AbdifetahIOmar]

Zinchenko is definition of humble and discipline. Man city fans love you

[@raykwon7]

So happy and proud to have him at our club.❤

[@lornasinclair4768]

Oleksanda zinchenko love his spirit and love of the game the passion when he speaks the questions he ask, he is a coach in training. Great teammate and team player always looking to learn better his game.🎉👍🏽🙏🏾

[@rabiufaruq3900]

This guy is just so down to earth and humble. God bless you zinny 😅

[@josephwalker1281]

This man is good. A very good understanding of all teams and tactics. One day he will manage.

[@user-dh3ez8yb3x]

Beautiful interview, it's always a big pleasure to watch Zinchenko's videos, such a nice and funny guy😊💙💛

[@abiodunodeleye7984]

What a great conversation, delving into the important things in life, human suffering, and the mundane, football and tactics.

[@user-tr9kw7jz3z]

From the only defender in the EPL who can't defend...

[@elingrome5853]

Hes in London earning millions... meanwhile the Azovs are press ganging teenage boys into their certain death...the whole thing stinks - end the war asap!

[@Shelsight]

@@user-tr9kw7jz3zyou could say the same about Trent if that’s how you want to assess his game. That shows how little you know about different defenders & defence tactics and strategy. He has lapses in confidence but his creativity and inversion is amazing.

[@user-tr9kw7jz3z]

@@Shelsight I was at Anfield when TAA sent Zinchenko to the shops that left him crying again while you no doubt in your mothers basement getting breast fed by her desperately thinking of some excuses for the only defender in the EPL who can't defend. Fortunately for the bottlers he'll now be doing what he done at City for 3 years as in warming the bench after Arteta's finally signed a proper defender in Timber

[@0ther_s1de]

Why are you so mad, Andy? That personal hatred is absolutely unnecessary. Can’t you agree that Zinchenko is a great football player, and a humble, intelligent person? Did he hurt you on some level, and now you can’t get over it? Wanna share what happened? It’s really pathetic, sad and very unhealthy to be such a hater. Get well, buddy.

[@aratasaki]

Brilliant brilliant speaker and just absolutely oozes with passion with every word he says.

[@nellymakokha5683]

Awesome interview Rio and Zinchenko ❤❤ Peace and love for Ukraine

[@JOEY-AFC-LARGIE14]

Love zinchenko one of my favourite players so happy to have him at arsenal 💯🔴⚪🔴⚪🔴⚪🔴🔴

[@skttrbrian]

Love this guy! Brilliant footballer and personality. Love from Ireland. Slava Ukraini.

[@tonsterdang]

Honest and refreshing interview

[@nicohaulenga2280]

Fantastic interview, I love Alex because he is soo honest ❤

[@morejo5802]

wow wow wow im gonna watch this 500 times... this is football in detail.

[@SmithyInWelly]

What a brilliant and insightful interview... thanks to all involved and love to Ukraine!

[@schmechmal]

Best interview by far. Alex will definitely be a top manager

[@TOKN]

Excellent interview! Great job Rio and Zinny! Didn’t want it to end. Happy to have him at the club! COYG!

[@growthmindhub5008]

Great interview from Zinchenko he is growing and getting better yearly. Thanks for a special interview Rio

[@DoFi12]

Unbelievable video. His passion and knowledge for the game is immense

[@EhensiriOkpe]

Blast!

[@kylestanley-rg8yw]

Refreshing seeing pundits interviewing players from other teams they didn't play for. 😊

[@Gooner_Greg]

RIO is wasted as a pundit wot an interview ❤ abs loved it💙💛

[@htharvin3]

Great interview! Zinchenko comes off as such a humble, candid guy. Must have been a joy to interview.

[@tarassamolyuk1659]

Well , so smart talk with great players . What i like about it is that they are running the excellent dialog and listening to each other . The football history will remember it guys. Well done .

[@Lightexo]

Love how he explains situations concisely

[@philippeh3904]

Not surprising Zinchenko said Salah was his toughest opponent. Salah is a monster

[@adebayoosobukola6687]

Zinny, I love this guy. So honest and amazing

[@bukolaayandare2735]

Best interview about football in recent times. He is destined future coach and Rio did a good job follow up questioning and I enjoyed everything. However, pundits like Rio should and others should be more factual when breaking down their analysis not with bias. Thanks Rio- Gunner 4 life

[@marcelrodeka]

Great interview Rio and a great guest. Thank you. There is much respect between the two of you. Was so good to see.

[@ronsil5582]

I'm a Gooner and love Zinni but Rio is The Original Rols Royce defender imo. Great interview. Could have watched these to talk football all day ❤❤

[@Saeroye]

Great interview! More like this please and Rio is the best at letting players open up like this! Fascinating insights shared!

[@franciselijahtembo9491]

Zinchenko is such an intelligent player