The Climb: MMR, Rank, & LP

Ever wonder how your MMR and Rank work together to determine LP gains/losses? Just tune in to this demonstration by Braum and his fluffy friend!
tl;dw:
Bigger LP gains, smaller LP losses : MMR is higher than RANK
About Equal LP gains/losses : MMR is equal to RANK
Smaller LP gains, bigger LP losses : MMR is lower than RANK
Check out the Player Support article for more info!
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[@BronzeTF]

League is the kind of game where you go in a 10x winstreak, then lose 3 games and end up with less LP than when you started

[@adriplyo4260]

Same shit

[@BronzeTF]

@@hsk5785 sounds like somebody's jealous

[@yaykadam6618]

yes

[@vrmax1919]

haha you do be soo right though xDD

[@EMS204]

I take a break after one loss so my mental doesn't go to shit

[@benwyand1663]

From this animation I now understand that unless I’m willing to set myself on fire to climb I should give up when my MMR is equal to my LP.

[@xaldinxiii9414]

Too bad you cant see youreactual MMR, only speculations that vary WILDY from 3rd party to 3rd party.

[@MrSeba3936]

Why does the animation tell you that? Please elaborate

[@justin671ify]

Raging is how you climb. Thanks rito

[@croissanta]

So you need Braum support to climb! STAND BEHIND BRAUM!

[@xKRISHNA]

xD

[@vaporwave2345]

The Drop: *Quit because the game grinds you down and wastes your time.*

[@hithere9438]

see u in 3 months

[@MrSeba3936]

How does it do that?

[@alexball4187]

best comment

[@TheCaptainstupendous]

This makes it look like MMR is a piton to help you climb when in fact it is an anchor to drag you down and slow your progress in most cases.

[@2fliege]

It helps you climb when you are lower but reduce your climb when mmr is lower. This is simple math and should be that way for an elo system.

[@angryyordle4640]

So Riot pretty much admits that unless you're jobless and can grind solo queue all day you shouldn't even pick up their game

[@MrSeba3936]

How did they admit that?

[@Gabfish626]

this is a reach

[@hectorarreola3375]

The poro warcry got me lol.

[@mylifeisfunny8911]

So fierce yet so cute.

[@RitualPassion]

Cool video, now explain why I still have -17/+13 even though I've been having a 75% winrate for the past 3 weeks

[@justin6667]

System's f***ed. The video even confirms it. You climb until a certain point, from there you won't climb unless you win way more than you lose. And your MMR will never accomodate that.

[@XoXFaby]

Because your LP is way ahead of your MMR. If you win, your poro can only jump a little bit and barely drags braum up. If you lose, your poro gets pulled back a lot. Idk how you ask this question when the video is literally explaining this with an easy visual.

[@yaykadam6618]

@@XoXFaby then how do i fix that

[@XoXFaby]

@@yaykadam6618 Keep winning consistently. If you actually keep up a good winrate for a long time, then your MMR will catch up. If you don't, and you win 50% of the time, your LP will go down to match your MMR, as it should.

[@gi8rgi8]

the more i win with my premade, the less lp i get and the more lp i lose. since my winrate went from 49 to 85%, with the same premade, my lps gains went from +21 to +13 in 2 months, and losses from -14 to -17. basically we were punished for carrying and getting better. so i made a smurf, since now my main account was ruined since the end of november to january, where i hope my mmr gets fixed. i remember you all, and rito, that the only thing preventing from dropping this game is playing with friends you are comfortable with. still, penalizing ppl for carrying is your main money loss strategy since last year

[@kingharkinian2581]

So, your MMR barely moves unless you hit a huge spree?

[@potrillo8748]

Correct! Note that it goes both ways (win and lose sprees)

[@Varza]

Supposedly, although I had a 15-game streak and my LP gains still didn't improve. The only thing that "fixed it" was duo'ing with people higher MMR than me.

[@mohamedturki1501]

​@@Varza you're still getting the same LP but you're on a different rank now.. lets say if u win the same ammount of games but u dodge (loose LP without loosing mmr) u will gain more LP than u used to

[@xaldinxiii9414]

Specifically a MASSIVE streak., lookling at a good 15 games in either direction. Then it STARTS to move and not by much

[@nps1024]

@@xaldinxiii9414 So basically something that won't ever happen to 99% of players.

[@StefanLopuszanski]

Just remember that every little climb or bump was a single game. That's about an hour played each time. And that was for only one season so multiply that by how many seasons on average someone plays. And then add ARAM and normal games too. Ooof.

[@mylifeisfunny8911]

League of legends is not free to play.You pay with your soul.

[@user-ge7ru1mu4t]

LOL's mmr system does not play a role in dividing a player's level by game skill, but simply inducing them to play a lot. The reason, of course, is money.

[@qazweriopkoilj]

based

[@agc2559]

on point

[@davudramazanov2318]

Had a game in ranked where my adc was silver 1 and the enemy team had 3 plat players. One of them was plat 1. We lost so hard bc of that matchmaking.

[@sharkace1740]

"We try to have every game be as close as 50% chances for both sides" my ass, I don't mind waiting 2 more minutes if it means not playing with some ridiculous gaps like that

[@notunavailable]

Noted, you climb faster when flaming.

[@Xerons_]

You forgot to show "smurf queue" - that is the moment when I am doing well and achieving a 60% win ratio. Then, suddenly, I wait for the match for about 10 minutes and the system selects only 30 level boted accounts (which is a real lottery, be it a smurf or a toxic banned player). As a result, I get a series of failures and I go back to square one. I would like to add that I have been using the account since the 3rd season. What is this protection against smurfs? Before this was introduced, I ran into them a lot less.

[@mechaflash916]

Rito: "Oh you're doing well? Here, let me make you lose more LP than you gain until we get you put back in your place because you obviously got to this point on a fluke. Oh and here's your four 40% winrate teammates against 60% winrate enemies who are 2-3 divisions ahead of you and everyone else on your team." Tell me I'm wrong....

[@MrSeba3936]

What does winrate have to do with who you match up with in an elo system??? A perfect elo system does not care about your winrate. Winrate is only an indicator of relative skill, ie if ur better or worse than your CURRENT elo. Your MMR is a better indicator of how good you are right now. Obviously mmr only shows you, your true skill level when you have 50% winrate, otherwise you can try to estimate with a combination of mmr and winrate. So in other words the system should ALWAYS match up according to MMR and not give a shit about winrate

[@mechaflash916]

@@MrSeba3936 It's an MMR system based on winrate... we watched the same video right?

[@MrSeba3936]

@@mechaflash916 No its not

[@mechaflash916]

@@MrSeba3936 oh hey good rebuttle.

[@MrSeba3936]

@@mechaflash916 Thanks ;) I explained my claim with the same detail, as you did when you just claimed it was based on winrate. But why go in-depth when it seems like you didn't really read my last comment. Yes winrate does effect your mmr and lp gains. But this DOES NOT mean, that if your enemy team all has 60% winrate, it should match you with teammates that also have 60% winrate. That is absurd. Which is what I reacted to in your comment. The system should only care about the mmr of an account when it matches games, which is good. Hence, crying about 40% winrate teammates against 60% winrate enemies is just weird.

[@techpriestsgaming6525]

Yea sure, loosing more LP than winning with 73% winrate is fun apperently according to riot. You kinda didnt mention the system that wants to keep you down as much as possible to make you play more and more games, so the board can see nice excel spreadsheet about how people are playing a lot every season...

[@Nezzen-]

Gotta carry the team and your MMR

[@arvarel5782]

Well done riot, amazing way to force people to make new accs

[@cazexaz5206]

why

[@AlexandrBorschchev]

@@cazexaz5206 to get lvl30 because "new" ranked accs get massive +/- lp boost.

[@Idk-dm9zg]

playing with fucked up mmr is frustating as fuck@@cazexaz5206

[@alluringskull2133]

​@@cazexaz5206higher amount of accounts signed means more popular

[@adamusein2601]

and buy skins

[@theseletman9644]

Except my MMR is a first-timer on AP bard who refuses to auto-attack

[@soriinnnn]

So you guys just confirmed that this system is broken

[@dratuang2962]

I have a lose streak of 30 and still getting faced with people with triple my level

[@capri_sunnn7935]

level doesn’t mean shit???

[@MrSeba3936]

Then your just really bad? What? I don't understand your comment

[@bradleymoore2797]

@@capri_sunnn7935 There's people that don't realize level equals time spent playing and doesn't exactly equal skill at playing.

[@SebaDiGiuseppe]

I don't get it because the video never explained what MMR, LP and Rank is

[@JustinSeizure]

I have an idea. What about just having the rank you have and deserve instead of some other rank that you don't deserve, so you don't match against much higher ranks than the rank that you have but don't deserve.

[@adriankudzinski6433]

Const +20/-20 and matchmaking with 3 tiers of division, so that you can fight being Gold II with Gold IV or Plat V. These MMRs are some BS complicating simple things.

[@icedtea3347]

From the animation it's quite literally telling me my MMR will stop mid way through the moment my LP is catching up 0:55 and that if I lose my MMR will go down too out of spite and hatred

[@MrSeba3936]

What are you even talking about?

[@vladislavkaras491]

That was the greatest explanation of how MMR and LP works! :D Thanks Rito!

[@cartooncompiler]

Very nice video I never understood until now!

[@abdalhakeemahmedmohamad2439]

Well at least they know how painful climbing is but it is a shame the don't show us the yasou mains and the troll junglers and bot Lane going 0/11 but hey thanks rito fix your shit

[@potrillo8748]

Lmao shit aint broken if your MMR is similar to a 0/11 yasuo main then you belong there

[@abdalhakeemahmedmohamad2439]

@@potrillo8748 when I always win my lane yes it is broken and it is annoying only way anyone one getting out is but boosting

[@sevincit]

Ye so basically if your MMR isn't higher than your rank, go next account, wp riot

[@alexball4187]

this is not how it feels. it just feels like i rank up and suddenly im winning 10 and losing 20

[@purifiedfalcon13]

you forgot the part where the poro hits emerald and then braum jumps down to gold at the same time

[@deskanar6262]

By the way, you can dodge at 0 points so that the MMR is at your margin, about 3 times is enough.

[@MrSeba3936]

What does this even mean?

[@forgedwithsteel]

@@MrSeba3936 you can cheat the system and increase your mmr that way. dodging does not decrease your mmr

[@MrSeba3936]

@@forgedwithsteel What? That does not increase your mmr? The only thing it does is make a larger difference between your lp and your mmr? Sure, your mmr increases relative to your lp, because you lose lp and not mmr, but what does that even do for you??? You will still get matched against the same people, and you will still get the same mmr gains, meaning your mmr will climb the same. How is this cheating the system?

[@Sunodasuto]

Ah, that explains everything.

[@mu4784]

THIS IS PERFECT!

[@rafa1814]

What poro dodging LP losses with shield is supposed to mean?

[@femshep4018]

I feel like this was an honest representation, and was expecting old titan man to pull him down harder when he lost "above" his MMR, but that never happened. It feels like riot don't want people to know that playing higher than your mmr hurts your rank.

[@Gen3Monica]

Thank you Riot. I have a 75 winrate and lose 16 LP and gain 13. really great system, works amazing! PRANKED ya! Its fucking trash, worst ranking experience I've had in any game. but hey, I'm sure it somehow makes you money. But I'll just buy 5 accounts so I can climb like all challenger players, cause that's not TOS! I mean, your top players/streamers do it!

[@bradleymoore2797]

Just be good.

[@gi8rgi8]

actually riot gives entire fleets of unlockled all lv 30 accounts to stremers to compete each other, it happened here in italy a month ago, and the winner was a guy who played 170 games of lux support from scratch to challenger

[@MJ-vt6ks]

so 75% winrate is nice but is it on 10 games or on 500 ? Like your comment make 0 sense. Your MMR needs time to adjust

[@arturow2686]

grinding with your precious life time@@MJ-vt6ks

[@potatogaming4663]

Delulu story, delulu player. Get better, ape

[@jsjdhjsk]

if u want to climb you have to win let's say 8 out of you 10 games. it's a little bit frustrating but eventually you will get the rank that you deserve or just make another account if you are that confident that you deserve to be higher elo

[@poro448]

Please create a video about how to fix error code 900

[@aklors3560]

I really hope they fix that +13/-17 with a winning record BS. It is very discouraging since it makes your improvement worth less than it should...

[@limenglin1986]

it is not working as the video mentioned, i am wining 60% and on iron, and it still give m-34 and +25 over 1000s games, and even with new season start, it never changes, i believe there is a coding bug, please somebody do a code review thanks.

[@KILLAGUNSHOTS]

If you win those games where the enemy team is ranks above thats major key its like a hidden promo match

[@warksite]

Buen dia, hace 2 horas he recibido a mi correo electronico de mi cuenta de RIOT indicando que mi correo fue actualizado, movimiento que yo no he realizado, intento recuperar cuenta y no puedo ingresar con mi usuadio como si no existiera(imagino que tambien fue cambiado), y las paginas de soporte de Riot no me dejan enviar ningun tipo de reporte ya que me piden nombre de usuario el cual el sistema indica que es incorrecto. ¿que hago para recuperar mi cuenta? tengo mi usuario / clave / correo electronico. pero con ninguno de esos datos puedo enviar reporte a riot ya que dice que ninguno existe. Agradeceria algun medio para pdoer recuperar mi cuenta, gracias.

[@ike9108]

now i have more questions

[@seanboglio3605]

Riot, can you please help yourself and make so you can't level up you account past lvl 10 playing against bots (reduce bots grinding accounts) and also make sure an account verification is required to play ranked?

[@oishiich.4814]

Thank you for giving me Gold MMR as a climbing Bronze ADC, you did such a good job

[@bongseth52]

win = +18/19 LP lose = -31LP :D

[@benmoukacha5832]

i have same problem as others players, i do +18 -28 in G3 with 65% WR ...

[@zekko5]

And how does this explain that at 65% wr after 50+ games can I get +14 and -30 LP in elo that is 3 division lower than my last seasons peek? (D2 and E1)

[@TheUlimade]

My braum afk in silver i am emerald wdid, did the rope cut ?

[@ark6290]

ok now explain to me how to climb a braum up a mountain

[@benjaminjones921]

What does the broken cup mean? 01:21

[@gonzaortin739]

When I was silver, I got silver teamates and silver enemies. When I was gold, I got silver teamates and gold enemies. Now I am platinum and I get bronze teamates and gold enemies. It makes total sense! This is a fun game to play.

[@danielalexander4833]

I get to gold 1&2 and still get bronze and iron team mates, while riot assures me there can't be more than a "two division gap" e.g. bronze being the lowest for gold, and emerald being the highest i could get queued with. But I'm still getting iron 1 adc's and getting that sweet +16 and -34!

[@tominh9357]

im bronze, my teammates are silver and enemies are platinum. what a joke

[@Papandos-cw8we]

как посмотреть повтор смерти?

[@thorbjrnbeckmann1018]

But hear me out, why need both? Just give mmr only and have mmr show instead of lp, what is the point?

[@skyger83]

Or just set a fixed win/lose LP each game... No need for hidden MMR anymore.

[@MrSeba3936]

Hidden MMR gives a more smooth transition and makes more sense for the average player. So you dont get weird jumps

[@thorbjrnbeckmann1018]

@@MrSeba3936 It doesn't make sense for it to be hidden even if both are present

[@MrSeba3936]

@@thorbjrnbeckmann1018 Why not? The reason is what I just gave you? It is easier for the average player to understand

[@thorbjrnbeckmann1018]

@@MrSeba3936 Why does rank matter if your rank is average? And why not just show MMR when you used to be able to and a bunch of people are asking for it to be showed?

[@kevinlocatelli2791]

Oué super.....vous n'avez pas oublié de parlé des 4 singes avec lesquels vous devez composer, non?

[@WilAleman]

Do you have different MMR per queue or a universal MMR independent on the queue?

[@agc2559]

Main prooblem with this system is that both mmr and PL are dependant of your team performance, so unless your smurfing and winning 1 vs 9 your gonna get stuck around your set mmr, almost imposible to get more than small progress there 8 and still very matchmaking dependant) . Main reason ppl smurfing and they dont want smurf, ez FIX THE SYSTEM TO GIVE MMR BASED ON PERFORMANCE AND NOT WINS/LOSE

[@MrSeba3936]

How would a MMR system based on performance look like? Do you think thebuasff should gain less lp every game, just because his play style gives him a low KDA? Wouldn't this new system make everyone into a KDA player?

[@EsquiloVoadorOfficial]

I understand. To win games we need to play with braum, i know it.

[@tostupidforname]

Wait win loss improves your mmr.. interesting

[@michelepellegrino6640]

what the actual fuck does that even mean. I unfortunately had a below 50% winrate at the beginning of my ranked games (probably the first 30 games, I was duoqing with the wrong friend) and my LP gain was literally +15 -17. Then from 43% winrate I could finally fix it and went to 53%. Then I went on a fucking 20 winstreak and straightforward jumped from p4 to p2 90 lps and I was literally STILL gaining +15 -17. Fuck riot games, your game is shit and I can't stop playing it.

[@noelberhane6166]

facts

[@michelepellegrino6640]

@@noelberhane6166 gotta hire zeno to kill some of the development team

[@noelberhane6166]

@@michelepellegrino6640 😹😹yeah

[@MrSeba3936]

You do realise that 15 lp is the new average after promos being removed, right? And what does winrate have to do with anything?

[@michelepellegrino6640]

​@@MrSeba3936 the problem I was arguing about was that the lp gain wouldn't change even after a massive win streak. It's secondary to that it being the average lp gain, which is anyway undoubtedly low even if they removed the promos because the lp lost were too high resulting in an unnecessarily difficult climb. 2) Winrate is the most influent factor on mmr lol what's up with that second question

[@martiri5005]

me mandas esto riot, exijo otra explicación

[@nealakamk]

riot games i forgot my account password, i tried everything but i couldn't change it can you help me

[@EvilWR]

Hello! I have a question why you can complain about anything but technical support?(Wild Rift )

[@harurosech.4848]

My rank is plat 4 and i play with gold 3's. Accurate.

[@Yoshimitsu-sg8ll]

the poro at one time have tilt. :D

[@olgringold5142]

Allow us to see MMR or give devs API access to it for better data!

[@cantpickausername]

show mmr

[@hassanzaki64]

Gotta try hard to win

[@mechaflash916]

System works great as long as you don't keep encountering smurfs like every other youtuber/streamer that's in master+ creates for low-elo content. Riot does nothing about it, and it's been getting a lot worse. You end up finding about half your games there's a smurf on either side. It's not rewarding in either case. I don't feel good about a win when there's a smurf on my team and it sure as hell feels crappy when you lose to one.

[@WelfareCenter]

Its only like that because your skill level, once you're on a fresh account it depends on how well you did in those games. So once you see a 'smurf' you'll never see them again.

[@MrSeba3936]

What do you mean with "Riot does nothing about it"? They have literally implemented smurf que

[@benjaminhorvath2642]

​@@WelfareCenter ​ That's not certain.They only lose with certain champions while they win with others just to stay, down for big penis.

[@potatogaming4663]

Delulu story, delulu player. Git gud

[@stevenlim8513]

I win so many games in a row have 130 wins with 99 loss and still only gain 13 lp per win and lose 31 lp per loss how is this ever a thing? Im emerald 3 but my mmr is plat 2 like how do I ever climb?

[@lovestragivit99]

非常困難

[@moo3oo3oo3]

Did the poro shielding from LP loss reference rank protection or does it mean nothing? How does one get rank protection?

[@actuallygin]

As cute as this cinematic is, it's absolutely not informative. Which is terrible, since MMR and LP gains are super misunderstood.

[@MrSeba3936]

Very true

[@kenjirocs2006]

thats why ppl do fresh lvl 30 accounts with fresh mmr wjhile im trying to climb with 60% win rate and i get +15 and -29

[@ancwhor]

Can't relate. My graph is downwards

[@Louisepereiradasilva]

so cuteeee

[@gokhan3433]

I understand the system, when it realizes that you are on a game winning streak and your league points and mmr are equal, it stops you by making you place in the same team with idiots in the next games.

[@zetarox15]

so im with 65% winrate and +17 -30 lol

[@danielalexander4833]

whole ranked system revolves around buying new accounts and switching once the "MMR" gets bad, every big streamer does it and has multiple LPP accounts they can switch back and forth from. but somehow the ranked system just gets worse. Demotion shields will absolutely destroy your mmr, and you don't get rewarded enough for actually winning. netting a fat +16 and -34 on my gold account

[@angrycharrua4999]

1:00 When you pay elo boost.

[@2fliege]

i fall down more than i climb with more champion knowledge.

[@clll1002]

You forgot the losestreak every 3 games :)

[@icedtea3347]

It doesn't feel rewarding when you play and do your best but you lost because your jg and top fed and you're punished for that...

[@MrSeba3936]

No it doesnt? But what is the alternative?

[@NunzioLP]

Can i get back to the point where i gain 30lp per win? Right now i get mostly 11-15lp per win and lose allways 16lp. Will this be resettet after Season end allways or does it stay locked behind the system? the season reset confused me a bit.

[@warwickv9481]

show mmr then.

[@Jotolink]

Based comment right here.... Srssly if your whole system relies on MMR you just should show it so people understand, but nah they hid it and confused the fuck outta everyone.

[@MrSeba3936]

@@Jotolink Its harder for the average person to understand seemingly random jumps in MRR. LP is easier to understand for the average player

[@michaeldstender]

@@MrSeba3936 You clearly work for Riot...go away

[@discvryyu-gi-oh2196]

Basically in a nutshell they fucked up badly

[@RadicalRaspberry2]

ahh yes this explains why i get bronze and iron teammates(literally) when playing in gold 2 promos

[@mohamedturki1501]

iron teammates in a soloQ game while ur gold? how is that possible

[@MrSeba3936]

No it doesnt? How does it do that?

[@RadicalRaspberry2]

@@MrSeba3936 welcome to the joke

[@freddiet8639]

This doesn't happen if your gold in solo q you don't get matched vs irons in solo q.

[@surpriiise]

This video is a very cool representation of the system, but the reality is that if the poro starts to go up fast, each victory is a VERY short jump and each loss is a HUGE step down, and Braun hardly moves.

[@anthonyy1790]

Yea?

[@haku4637]

naah i literally carryed 11 games and i got 11 win with no lose my lp was still same my not even +1 more lp after that i just lose 1 game and i got -17 i was usually getting -14 lp

[@user-qk9uq1qy8m]

Poro had a winning streak from S4 to G4. Your 11 victories are not so much against the background of his victories

[@haku4637]

@@user-qk9uq1qy8m but you know in main elo having 11 win sterak is not much easy i mean i carried all games

[@till6677]

haha, ehy i become a Iron 1 mid vs Silver 3? pls I want my LP bag!

[@Pyzka67]

the analogy of this is wrong coz in this example braum should be at the bottom of the mountain after 3 loses coz that how this system "works" imagine if mmr system would be fair mb we would have less smurfs and boosting and less bought accounts but i guess riot that said in season 3 that "mmr is not working as it should" will do nothing about it and say basically "get good lol" or "or brake our tos coz we dont care about game quality we care about money"

[@leithkoussani3376]

MORE FLAME MORE RAGE = MORE +LP

[@gi8rgi8]

how bad if i get the opposite? the more i win with my premade, the less lp i get and the more lp i lose. since my winrate went from 49 to 85%, with the same premade, my lps gains went from +21 to +13 in 2 months, and losses from -14 to -17. basically we were punished for carrying and getting better. so i made a smurf, since now my main account was ruined since the end of november to january, where i hope my mmr gets fixed. i remember you all, and rito, that the only thing preventing from dropping this game is playing with friends you are comfortable with. still, penalizing ppl for carrying is your main money loss strategy since last year.

[@emilianosartori19]

The problem is that LP is based on victory or lose not in how well you played.

[@angryyordle4640]

you can only measure how well you played by your victories and losses.

[@DROLOCORP]

@@angryyordle4640 No? LOL Stats exists. Thats simply not true.

[@angryyordle4640]

@@DROLOCORP the goal of playing league of legends is not to end up with the most kills or the most damage, it is to destroy the enemy nexus. Therefore whoever is most successful at doing that, is the best player. That includes a high number of skills that have nothing to do with stats, including good macro play, a good mental and good communication with your team, just as well as being unpredictable and adjusting to the meta.

[@MrSeba3936]

So you think TheBuaffs should never be able to climb?

[@freddiet8639]

@@DROLOCORP doesn't matter, the last thing you want is people playing for k/d. The game would be so much worse.

[@tobitax0110]

i literally won 20 games in a row and i started to gain 17 pl to 16 pl :/. Riot, what do you have to say?

[@MrSeba3936]

What is the problem with this? 15 lp is the average, since the removal of promos. What do you think you should be getting?

[@srmah]

Same here, I think MMR get higher slower than leagues,I think thats the reason, and this is the reason this system is not working

[@srmah]

@@MrSeba3936 promos were way easier than winning 8 games in a row to promote a single division

[@MrSeba3936]

@@srmah How are you even correlating winning 8 games and winning a promos? So in the first instance you look at how many games you need to win to promote from 0lp. And in the second instance you look at how many games you need to win when you are at 100lp and in promos. How can you even compare this?

[@MrSeba3936]

At least start from the same stand point, which is 0lp. In that case it takes 7 games no matter what the system is?

[@benjaminhorvath2642]

MMR system it certainly depends on the money spent on it as well

[@MrSeba3936]

Where do you know this from?

[@benjaminhorvath2642]

@@MrSeba3936 just an ironic comment

[@MrSeba3936]

@@benjaminhorvath2642 Haha I see. That is actually a funny comment then. My bad :) You get an upvote for that

[@marceloalves2584]

jamais que isso seria assim eu perco 20 pdl em derrota mitigada e perco 28 em derrota normal e quando ganha eu ganho só 20 por isso o jogo esta cada vez mais largado, pelos jogadores pela empresa e pela midia

[@user-ly2tq6gh9o]

+7/-17 thx…

[@20dhruvshukla12]

@Riot Games Support can u send ion or sentinels of light vandal in my store asap because ive been waiting for 9 months it hasnt came in my store yet my brother wants it he is about to die