How Is DOOM 2016 After Playing DOOM Eternal?

[@RipNteargaming]

How does DOOM Eternal compare to DOOM 2016?

[@indianpotatofarmer6508]

Yo how the fuck u comment before the video released

[@JazzzxD420]

Doom eternal is simply better i probably can never return to 2016 after eternal

[@Randomshit2727]

Doom 2016 was a was like the Star Wars where they didn’t know if it we be any good but the doom eternal was like the empire strikes where it improves on the original

[@RipNteargaming]

@@indianpotatofarmer6508 I first upload the video as 'unlisted' then pin the comment before posting it public.

[@RipNteargaming]

@@Randomshit2727 Great comparison!

[@ShadicgunMan]

If they claim they can make a better game than Doom Eternal, then I can't wait until that is out!

[@HugoStiglitz88]

I believe in hugo

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

@@HugoStiglitz88 Id Software are one of the few dev teams that fully understand what fans want

[@odin175lorenz5]

DLC 2

[@cliffhong6697]

me personally and I could be wrong but I simply like the support and or content they give for eternal unlike doom 2016 but that's just me.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

@@ThatGuy-ky2yf that and then some. Hugo doesn't just get what we want, he gets the next thing we'll want too and also, he's one of us himself.

[@spimpsmacker6422]

In a way it's like a grown adult looking at the childhood home he grew up in, it felt so long ago and distant, but familiar and admirable.

[@fuzzy8889]

isnt that classic doom lol

[@Lu1zF3l1pe]

Not exacly. Eternal just improves on gameplay and tech, the rest is a downgrade

[@bionicmanspeedruns]

@@Lu1zF3l1pe music is the biggest offender there , I can't hate enough that guy who destroyed Mick Gordon's mixes. Thank god Hulshult came and made the great DLC songs.

[@bolson42]

@@bionicmanspeedruns well the music itself isn’t a problem, you’re talking about the soundtrack that was released with the game

[@Pactastic042]

This game isn't even old

[@thespidermastermind5971]

It’s still an amazing game even after Eternal

[@bucketzzz.]

@Dilet lol

[@hotrodslayer4966]

yep any game with me in it is amazing

[@doomslayer5734]

@@hotrodslayer4966 Ques?

[@alejandroelluxray5298]

Both are great games

[@thespidermastermind5971]

@Dilet I was the best boss in the game though

[@mykytababkov3495]

Main thing I noticed was how dangerous imp were in Doom 2016, while in Eternal they are just farm sheep from the beginning

[@trollyfox5421]

In doom 2016 at nightmare i was "loving to hate" them, while in eternal i don't feel really any emotion to them.

[@Rockeman182]

@@trollyfox5421 I'd say you nailed it. You jump and dodge and change direction all the time in 2016 (basically dancing with them), meanwhile in Eternal they hardly do damage (for good reason of course). It is pretty neat that they explode at close range with CSG though

[@numba12c0ck]

That and parkour are the reasons I have therapy for ultra nightmare

[@Mortablunt]

And meanwhile, there is Doom 3, where the hit scanners are all plagues upon you and you breathe relief whenever you get a projectile enemy. The only game where do you think Oh thank God it’s only a mancubud and oh no it’s a zombie.

[@andrewmiller9029]

The longer Doom Eternal is on Earth, the better it becomes.

[@bigbad75_YT]

The longer the Doom community is on earth, the more canser it will become

[@asimplepie2279]

@@bigbad75_YT truth

[@q-tip4723]

The longer "The longer that _______ is on Earth, the stronger it will become" comments are on Earth, the strong they will become.

[@ToxicNoxic]

@@bigbad75_YT the longer your grammar is on earth, the worse it becomes

[@yxtee]

What we need is a game with Eternal's mechanics, and 2016's aesthetic

[@thegiganshow300]

That would be the perfect doom game by far

[@RuiNunesDev]

spot on.

[@imdaking2402]

prolly next game g

[@raneplayz6707]

Too perfect

[@mregg1729]

To be honest i highly prefer eternal's aesthetic

[@LordOfel]

biggest thing 2016 has over Eternal is the weight. Every weapon feels "punchier" and the glory kills feel more brutal mainly because he is ripping demons apart with his bare hands and not a very sharp kitchen knife.

[@dondeka2086]

And the chaingun..... 3 barrels but “BRRRRRTTTTT” is better than 4 barrels but “grititititititit”

[@dondeka2086]

It also has wayyyy better aesthetic. The way i put it doom eternal if you’re looking for fun, doom 2016 if you wanna rewind after a long day at work

[@Quagula]

I feel you. I think the wrist blade is lame

[@catinamask5019]

Yeah and he still uses his fists in the melee attacks

[@declicitous1763]

@@Quagula the blade is badass

[@Leitis_Fella]

I think that lack of glory kills on the player is because Eternal lacks 2016's horror atmosphere that it carried over from Doom 3. Doom 2016 is action-horror; Eternal is a bombastic action game. The lack of glory kills on the player fits the tone better in Eternal. However, I agree with you on the chainsaw. For its emphasis and presence in Eternal, I'm surprised they didn't add more chainsaw animations.

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

Yeah there's definitely similarities between 3 and 2016, 2016 started off as a sequel to 3 set on earth with similar glory kill animations.

[@MILDMONSTER1234]

lol no, Doom 3 is action horror. Doom 2016 is action with a vague horror theme

[@jaydenroebuck6961]

My guess of why the chainsaw has the same kill every time is to make it so the player knows exactly how long the animation will take. With a bunch of animations some would be quicker and some would be slower.

[@takoshihitsamaru4675]

2016's Chainsaw acted kind of like a BFG in a way. it was an ace in the hole for last resort situations, taking down a super heavy in one hit, etc.

[@justoandres4951]

I really miss the horror Theme tbh even if I feel most demons in 2016 were too goofy for it. My favorite moment is when you see holograms of everyone running to take refuge inside a room, then you enter said room and there's like a hundred zombies, Good shit.

[@rapfye7839]

I miss the grittyness 2016 had. Made it look so much more metal and violent.

[@dartheternal4078]

MOOD

[@joeyhuebner10]

I feel that. Eternal is masterfully made, but that tension I felt from the sinister designs in Doom '16 can't be matched. The more realistic aesthetic brought out a brutality that I don't think has been matched in anything barring dead space or gears of war.

[@dartheternal4078]

@@joeyhuebner10 Like yes, Eternal was hella good and I like it a lot but on of the things it misses from 2016 is just that sheer pure brutalness, such hateful and griddy/dark and hellish looks and feel of the demons, places and all that. In eternal, the arcady look kinda break the immersion of it. You know, for being so colorful and bright etc.

[@kylepollack3029]

I really like the diversity and color of Eteranl

[@spoony8506]

Same. I honestly love how dark and gritty 2016 was and is honestly a problem for me with eternal, which is weird.

[@vahlok2568]

Damn I forgot just how much more I like the art style and graphics of 2016 over eternal.

[@joeyhuebner10]

Eternal is fantastic, but I could have done with the darker tone and aesthetic that 2016 brought to the table. I remember feeling uneasy playing through the 2016 just because it was so damn gritty.

[@apeblackberry3641]

I'm conflicted about this. Overall I love Eternal's aesthetics better, but I do agree that I absolutely despise the green floating weapons/items and the goofy, cartoony sounds that the enemies make when I hit them. I miss 2016's realism with Eternal's setting.

[@milktea8287]

I feel the same way, Eternal had great design and good use of colours, however the floating weapons and other cartoony and gamey aspects really take out how cool it made it feel. The death animations and weapon pick up animations specifically. Though, if they do eventually go back and add these animations in the next game I hope they have an option to disable them. Slowly pulling a chainsaw from a corpse will get old fast in UN LOL

[@MeatzB]

@@milktea8287 the whole point with the floating items was to be a new game with “old school” FPS elements

[@milktea8287]

@@MeatzB in my opinion, the more realistic approach in 2016 made it feel more badass, I get where they're coming from I suppose. But why green?? At least in classic doom the weapons looked how they were while on the ground

[@SrinivasRajkumar]

doom 2016 is more like a foundation and eternal improves on it.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

except for death animations, kill animations and lighting. imo Doom 2016 looks better in atmosphere.

[@SrinivasRajkumar]

@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial well the Devs did explain the reason for this.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

@@SrinivasRajkumar yeah but explaining something doesn't instantly change my opinion on stuff

[@SrinivasRajkumar]

@@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial mate it doesn't matter if like doom 2016 more than eternal.

[@LockheedC-130HerculesOfficial]

@@SrinivasRajkumar Ayo ever tried using proper English

[@Anfernee_G]

I haven't touched 2016 in a minute, but I agree that Doom Eternal has made me a better player. In my experience, playing The Ancient Gods on Ultra Violence improved my skill immensely. There were arenas in Doom Eternal's base single player that took me an embarrassing amount of attempts (a couple of days in some cases) on my first playthrough. Of course my skill improved during my progression of that first playthrough, but the Ancient Gods really fine tuned my skills for sure. Going back to Doom Eternal base on Nightmare is a piece of cake now compared to Ancient Gods on Ultra Violence. It's wild how easy Doom Eternal feels now.

[@Rockeman182]

Yeah I def can relate. I remember my first playthrough with ARC Complex (at the elevator drop arena) - I was angry and cursing at the game and had died sooo many times in a row (even on Hurt Me Plenty). Now I have mastered the campaign, and prefer to play 100% runs on it now on Nightmare. With the Ancient Gods 1 DLC, after playing it through 3 times, I still can't get can't past Blood Swamps on Nightmare, everytime I have to bring it down to Ultra-Violence. I am facing a similar frustration with parts of Ancient Gods, though I still love the game and will continue to improve. On that note, the Super Gore Nest Master Level is way crazy. That took me like 2 hours get through. Rough Stuff.

[@mb5970]

@@Rockeman182 pretty similar to me. I agree the SGN master level is in-sane. Every room you enter is another challenge. I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna make it on UN, but nightmare ultimately I was able to get through. Took me a whole morning though..

[@Anfernee_G]

@@Rockeman182 Just played SGN last night on UV and I agree completely. I thought Ancient Gods was rough, but SGN was just bonkers. When those Arch-Viles showed up to the party after taking out the Tyrants, I had to pause and walk away from my keyboard/mouse for a minute. Took three attempts and while the first two attempts felt like I was in the fight for nearly an hour each time, it gave me time to study the arena and was able to get through the final attempt in about 15 minutes think. Idk if I could do UN haha.

[@supparmanpawar4203]

Play doom 2016 on level name foundry and argent facility. It is an open level with branching path that make you realized what doom eternal lack in certain point.

[@FACF0416]

The same thing happened to me

[@SwollyMammoth]

“Most of us have put a ton of hours into it-“ Yea I have “And mastered the mechanics” No. No I have not

[@clementtompel7558]

I feel you man, died on final sin on UN 4 times already

[@snesnerd3988]

Especially the xbox and ps4 players. I genuinely think quick switching is impossible on a controller.

[@SwollyMammoth]

@@snesnerd3988 I can somewhat quick switch SS and balistila but I struggle with PS and Launcher (I play on Xbox)

[@emilkb]

@@SwollyMammoth yea I feel ya. PB and rocket launcher is hard for me to pull off however I can somewhat do PB and SS

[@emilkb]

@Eric Desjardins yep. Idk I when I try do pb and rocket launcher I always either fire pb and then not actually swap thinking I had swapped. It's weird, I guess I just have to practise more

[@greyoga129]

Oh man, both Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal are the best games ever for me. I like the way they differ from each other and I like the fact that they have their own advantages, disadvantages and identity.

[@Rockeman182]

Well said. Both are phenomenal and different but both are definitely my favorite games. Once you play those games, many other types of games are hard to play or just not as enjoyable. Not saying it ruins other games necessarily, but it does give you a specific type of craving for that crazy, violent kind of action that I feel can only be quelled by modern DOOM games.

[@anthonyalberts8167]

@@Rockeman182 my thoughts exactly! So glad I decided to play them as they were never on my radar until last year.

[@diddlenfiddle7311]

For sure dude. There's still a reason to play 16

[@PolishGod1234]

Imo the original Doom is still the best of them all, since the level design of that game is literaly perfect in every way. And mods are insane. But both Eternal and 2016 were incredible too

[@zippyparakeet1074]

@@PolishGod1234 Original DOOM will always always be king and all games recognise that and pay homage to it in some way.

[@tytantyphlosion2910]

Doom 2016 will always be special for me. I remember waiting YEARS for a new DOOM. I even still have my faded DOOM 3 shirt I got around it’s release. At the time of 2015 or so, I immediately preordered 2016 collectors edition. I didn’t care if it was going to be bad or not, I was just ready for a new installment in the series. It delivered and I’m happy with it.

[@kellylin2982]

Doom Eternal is definitely better than 2016 in terms of gameplay, map design, and overall quality of life things. I still love 2016 though, cause of the horror atmosphere and the HUD design. While the more arcade like design of Eternal is fun and definitely nostalgic, it’s just not my cup of tea. They’re both amazing regardless.

[@giacomogiliberti2673]

Map design? That's just untrue, doom eternal has linear levels where there is only one path forward (exceptions are urdak and blood swamps) and most secrets are just small rooms and not winding paths, and the game often locks you up from previous areas, in doom 2016 many levels (especially in the early game) are interconnected and open, secrets are often more complex and better contextualized in the level and the game doesn't often lock you up from previous sections and when it does it's almost always an airlock so you know that if you want to explore that is non the way to go, this is not a hate comment, you didn't say anything retarded or anything, nor a dissing to eternal, the game is great and level design is nice mainly due to arena design (it kinda carries) but please don't underrate doom 2016's level design i am simply sad that people seem to ignore the strengths of it Sorry I got carried away a bit, the message ended up being a bit long, hope I didn't waste your time, and I hope you have a nice day

[@kellylin2982]

I guess I was too vague when I stated the map design was better. I meant more towards diverse/memorable environments, because most of 2016’s maps were kinda copy and paste especially in Hell and the Mars base. Other than that, I totally agree with you when it comes to eternal locking certain sections of the map and whatnot. The secrets in eternal were pretty annoying to get to as well, at least the ones that were in front of your face and barred off.

[@giacomogiliberti2673]

@@kellylin2982 that's true eternal has some really cool environments and setpieces

[@cliffhong6697]

@@giacomogiliberti2673 lol probably just a bit but to me it's that free content not gonna complain about that that not many have mentioned.

[@giacomogiliberti2673]

@@cliffhong6697 i don't understand what you are referring to, or your comment in general it doesn't seem clear but it's entirely possible (and likely) that I'm just dumb

[@mb5970]

I used to only play counter-strike when I was younger. Now, 15 years later I had never found joy in games like I used to back then; Playing with mates, training my aim every every evening, tactics, quick thinking etc. When I bought a new computer about a year ago, a mate started recommending games to me; Wolfenstein, Doom. I played Wolfenstein, it was quite cool. Then I figured okay I will play Doom in the same fashion as Wolfenstein: Just complete the campaign and be done with it. Now, I started with Doom Eternal right away for no particular reason apart from that I thought it wouldn't matter not having played the first game since I don't really care about all the lore. From there on out it was complete addiction. If I'm not playing Doom Eternal, I am watching videos about it or view speedruns. I have yet to complete my first UN run, but I am getting closer. It is by far the most fun I've had since counterstrike 1.6, and by far the best game I have ever played. Love this vid, will check some more of your content. Thanks and keep up the good work!

[@JackOfBlackPhoenix]

To be honest, I'd love to see something like remaster of 2016 campaign in Doom Eternal. Basically, take all the campaign levels from 2016, adjust the encounters and maybe expand them a little in terms of space to make room for the new movement mechanics from Eternal. IMO that'd be a fantastic DLC even tho it will never happen (and maybe it's for the best, still a man can dream)

[@whereskentuckybruce8245]

Perhaps fan made?

[@Lugbzurg]

There are areas in Doom (2016) that require you to crouch. Those will need to be adjusted.

[@quinntanium350]

@@Lugbzurg You can’t crouch in eternal?

[@Lugbzurg]

@@quinntanium350 Nah, they replaced it with the Dash.

[@quinntanium350]

@@Lugbzurg Ah that makes sense.

[@SAClassHunterZero]

Try getting over the muscle memory of dashing to get out of danger when you play 2016, lmao

[@TheLoamCourierMTB]

Or as you can see in the video the sheer number of times he launches a Combat Shotgun grenade at a Cacodemon thinking it'll enable a Glory Kill like in Eternal, I know if I play 2016 again I'll keep making that mistake lol.

[@SunWarriorSolaire]

I love how the best mobility option in doom eternal is the same weapon as the worst mobilitiy option

[@the710salmonuwu7]

One big thing I was sad about is that the melee received a heavy nerf in eternal to literal taint tickles

[@filip9587]

The thing I loved about Doom 2016 was that whenever you'd get a new weapon, they would be seen and have their little epic animation, not just green blob outlines. I also miss the way the game worked as a normal linked world, while Eternal is full of chasms and platforming which can be tedious and has the possibility of getting you killed. Plus, the death animations were gold in 2016 as well as the ability to obtain every weapon a level earlier through secrets, which would up and give you points to upgrade your arsenal.

[@Rodanguirus]

Yeah, I just remembered how with many of 2016's weapons, they were hidden in one stage, then basically couldn't be missed in the subsequent one. I really liked that approach...rewarding players for exploring and being observant, but not leaving the rest in the cold for too long. And, as you said, the more grounded presentation of the weapons themselves was appreciated.

[@HugoStiglitz88]

Since when in the hell is flying through the air and learning a games movement mechanics through basic skill checks aka platforming tedious? Seriously, what is wrong with you weirdos? Did you guys not play portal or what? I really fail to see how platforming could ever not be fun and especially, how the hell is variety bad as well? You really want it to be combat 100% of the time? THAT is what's tedious. Even the purple goo is awesome. Variety = fun

[@tr3vk4m]

@@HugoStiglitz88 It's just not Doom.

[@D00MNUKEM90K]

​@@HugoStiglitz88 some dudes are afraid of heights or suck at parkour in general (especially on console)

[@AVI-lh6rm]

@@HugoStiglitz88 i agree with you on most things, i just dont like the purple goo. i feel like it just slows the gameplay down too much, especially having played through the game multiple times. maybe the goo could leave your run speed unaffected, only not letting you dash and jump? i feel like the platforming is a really nice break. just like how it feels nice to master the combat and get in the flow, it also feels nice to get into the platforming flow and jump and swing around. if the game was 100% demon killing i'd get very burnt out pretty quicky lol.

[@AmelpsXett]

its like slayer got really fit after 2016 and started practicing gymnastics

[@unfathomable3434]

i go to 2016 for its gritty art style and simpler but still fun and challenging gameplay. i think Eternal's combat loop and gameplay is better but 2016 will always hold a special place in my heart.

[@taiwanesestandardtime3388]

The aesthetic of 2016 is much more appealing to me, the mars look, the darker more evil looking hell scenes, so good. Eternal is just so damn good though, keep coming back to it

[@Milennin]

As a casual Doom player, I find Doom 2016 way easier to get back to after a long break. It's an easy to pick up and play type of game that's not very complicated. Getting back to Doom Eternal after like a 6 months break felt impossible to just jump back into, and I'd have to literally go through the tutorial stages again to slowly work my way into how the game wants me to play it. At my peak with Doom Eternal, I did enjoy that game a lot, and it was a lot more intense than 2016, but overall I'd say I'd enjoy 2016 a little more. For the sole reason of it being easier to get back to alone.

[@AVI-lh6rm]

i love how doom 2016 and doom eternal are both good games but still different. although i think doom eternal has better combat, the one thing doom 2016 has over eternal is the fact that combat is very simple and straightforward. its only one upside, but it makes a big difference. when i got on my pc for the first time in like a year i had a pretty fun time with doom 2016.

[@chesterg.791]

I'm jumping back into Doom Eternal after 2 years and feel the same way

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

I miss the demon's doing glory kills and armor customization from 2016... and the 2016 revenant.

[@apeblackberry3641]

I agree with the Revenant, that thing was scary asf. Absolutely goated.

[@WildWolf-pu4pj]

Especially when you know the lore

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

@@apeblackberry3641 We should of had both in the cultist base mission with one being a prototype.

[@M1551NGN0]

I hate demon glory kills on doomguy, he's supposed to be the one ripping and tearing demons

[@TheStrayHALOMAN]

@@M1551NGN0 Bro you get slapped dead by a fodder zombie in eternal and your whole body gibs.

[@duncanfraser2390]

doom eternal with 2016's ammo count would be perfection kind of ridiculous only carrying 12 shotgun rounds at the start

[@clementtompel7558]

I think the ammo in 2016 was way too much but i think they went a little too far with how much they reduced the ammo in eternal

[@logandraper]

I miss the first person cutscenes you got from finding weapons un 2016. Instead of floating green icons, they were in the environment. I also miss the locked first person perspective in general. The third person cutscenes just didnt do it for me in eternal

[@jbirdyjj2670]

Doom 2016 has better Berserk power up, and I think the chainsaw animations are much more detailed and brutal all while being much more short, and the slayer death animations aren’t in eternal sadly, I miss those, went along with the dark atmosphere, i wise they put more power ups in eternal, and I think some of the glory kills were a bit more brutal than eternal, Hopefully the next Doom game can make something kind of in between of 2016 and eternal but much better than both games!

[@M1551NGN0]

Please not the death animations. They give me PTSD. Doomguy is supposed to be a demigod which demons fear, not the other way round

[@bravoninja6937]

I still can't forget the Hell and Metal that were excluded in eternal Doom 2016 was a bit more dark

[@juand.g.2602]

This is like Doom 1 and 2. The 1st is a masterpiece and the 2nd makes it a thousand times better. In doom 2 and eternal you get new: enemies, techniques and weapons They went from having infinite ammo at one point in 2016 to lacking of ammo in Eternal. Also using the Siege mode upgrade and upgrading the super shotgun to double shot made you almost unstoppable.

[@Arthur-nh8lm]

Doom 2016 is eating a perfectly made piece of toast. Doom Eternal is eating a perfectly made piece of toast but with butter.

[@dondeka2086]

Doom 2016 is a toast, eternal is pb&j

[@SubFlow22]

Playing 2016 for the first time and a friend told me to skip it and play Eternal because it was far superior. After watching this video, I'm going to complete 2016 first, then move on to Eternal. Thanks for the content!

[@theholyknight6935]

i have eternal AND 2016 on my pc, but i first played eternal on ps4. but i have played 2016 on my pc and honestly, i feel like that game has helped me to become more skilled in fps too. and if what you say about eternal is true, then i shall become even more vicious!

[@metroplexprime9901]

Honestly, I really wish that ID would bring back the sound design from DooM 2016. It was just so visceral. Every sound effect had punch, the gib and bone breaking sounds were glorious. I also like 2016's super shotgun firing sound a lot better

[@theriolulad4808]

DOOM 2016: *M A D* DOOM Eternal: Still *M A D* , but calm about exerting *M A D*

[@gaso3035]

I prefer 2016 due to its darker and serious tone

[@SlayerOmair]

"and have many pros and *KHANS* " sorry but I had to lmao

[@MEGATONHAMMA]

I liked this analysis. You made an unbiased, sane video about the two games. I salute you sir

[@DonSpizzo]

Very interesting video, at the end you mention that there will be a next doom game... Are you sure about that? In one of his last streams Hugo Martin said something like that the story was going to end in The Ancient Gods Part 2. I hope we get a new game after The Ancient Gods Part 2 but I don't know...

[@RipNteargaming]

Yeah the story that started in Doom 2016 will end in the Ancient Gods Part 2, but Hugo has said on multiple occasions that they haven’t made their best Doom game yet.

[@DonSpizzo]

@@RipNteargaming great

[@djordjepopovic7568]

Pretty sure that Hugo said that the story of Seraphim will end , as in , after TAG P2 , we will never see nor hear from him again. Nothing about the story ending.

[@ThatGuy-ky2yf]

@@abnormalguy6269 Maybe they'll put out a new single-player quake?

[@Healp145]

I honestly cannot think of any way id could top eternal, maybe they could in a super duper ultra genius way but i still don’t know how they could do it.

[@tcchip]

I loved 2016, and have generally enjoyed Eternal. However, one thing I feel 2016 did better were the actual boss fights. The bosses in Eternal felt like a letdown, and I honestly felt the kill rooms to be more challenging and fun. I REALLY didn't enjoy both the Icon of Sin and The Holt boss levels. They felt more like a chore, and I was just glad to be done with them. Whereas in 2016, all 3 bosses were just fun to fight, and I love going back to challenge them. I really hated the Icon of Sin fight. It just felt like a cheap gauntlet of being able to sneak potshots while keeping your health and ammo manageable. Worse still how when the Icon was close to death it then summons an insane amount of demons that you can't ignore. I counted something like 6 Cyber Mancubi and several Barons by that point. For the Ancient Gods, I honestly felt it's badly paced. I don't mind it being more difficult than the base game. It should be. But I would have preferred them breaking up the levels a bit more than make you slog it out on levels that take well over an hour on your first try, except this time there's more than twice the combat and less exploration to break up the pacing a bit. I feel The Ancient Gods was designed to test your patience and wear you down, rather than simply giving you a fun challenge. Fighting two Marauders was fun. The final Slayer Gate in The Holt however, was not. You're fighting two separate Marauders covered by Carcasses and Imps after a very long gauntlet. I get it's a test of skill, and it would have been a fun challenge if they implemented it earlier in the main campaign once or twice. But after some 10 minutes of so slogging out the gauntlet it's just exhausting and no longer fun. They could have easily started with the challenge, or just shortened the entire gauntlet instead of deliberately wearing you down and saving the worst for last. After I beat that challenge, I honestly felt like I never want to do it again, ever. And that's just bad, because I should want to try to fight a Carcass/Marauder combination again and learn from it. I notice in Eternal Barons very rarely use their ranged fireballs. They basically feel like paired and much tougher Hell Knights, except being larger it's also easier to land shots against them either. I kind of miss the 2016 Summoner, and I wish they'd keep her in Eternal or bring her back in The Ancient Gods part 2 as essentially a Heavy rather than a Super Heavy like the Arch-Vile. Regarding weapon mods, I personally preferred the mastered siege mode on the Gauss Cannon. I found far less opportunities to charge the Ballista's Destroyer Blade mod,. It takes a long time to charge to level 3, and hard to aim for long shots, but is too dangerous for close to medium range. Especially given how once it's fully charged you can barely move, so I ended up mostly used Arbalest instead. One thing that I do miss from 2016 was the sense of humor in its writing. Doom 2016's codex entries were brilliant satire, and it's as if someone realized that the story was going to be farfetched no matter what, so they decided to embrace the absurdity and make the game darkly hilarious. Eternal just took itself way too seriously, even when it made some of the enemy designs and glory kills more comical than 2016. Eternal made me a better player, but I enjoyed the simpler times of 2016, even if I wouldn't go back to playing the way I did then with what I learnt from Eternal.

[@GarudAtma]

Same, I like everything in DOom eternal but missed some fun parts of Doom 2016

[@saltyshrimppasta]

I really preferred the way you acquired weapons and keys in 2016. The “floating green gun” thing got old in Eternal, although I understand they were trying to keep you moving and speed up the process.

[@brazwen]

I always loved and appreciated games that require practice to beat the game.

[@metalheadblues]

Try bloodborne

[@Glubbdubdrib]

0:30 "mastering Doom Eternal" *misses a point blank shot with the shotgun*

[@dondeka2086]

the dude wastes 4 shells on an imp 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@pjf674]

Here's a really nit picky gripe I've got with DE: I'd really like to be able to switch my grenades during GK and chainsaw animations. Was that possible in 2016? I barely used equipment in that one so I can't remember.

[@SpiffoGaming]

2 keys for the launcher and 2 grenades. How about no switching between the 2 just have the 2 keys binded to the 2 grenades. Makes no hud much better and not just guessing which grenade you have. That would be a excellent improvement. If not, this idea is really good

[@pjf674]

@@SpiffoGaming I think the reason for the toggle is controller layout. If each button launched a different grenade type, then you'd be using a shoulder button for one grenade and the dpad for the other.

[@Rockeman182]

@@pjf674Right that makes perfect sense. It would be really rough to have that controller scheme. I use mouse+kb but I can empathize.

[@bobukcs3353]

i definitely remember pulling up the machinegun in 2016 in front of 2 barons and just screaming "EAT A LOAD OF THIS" due to the amount of other demons i already took out, with them being the last weapons in 2016 in my opinion pack more of a punch than in eternal, though that might be due to the sound effects but i dunno

[@jjuan4382]

To me I think 2016 is the successor to the doom games while Eternal is a celebration of the franchise. One goes back to its roots bringing a fresh but familiar gameplay to a new generation while the other strives to expand, exeed and improve the previous game.

[@brandondoyle1669]

When I see the notification I know I’m getting to listen to great content thanks for finding time man..

[@annihilatedv1360]

Doom Eternal is hands down the best FPS game ever IMO The gameplay and the mechanics are so good that nothing can compare I love Doom 2016 tho and after playing Eternal my aim and reflexes were 1000 better than before The only real difference i noticed is the pace of the game Doom 2016 feels way slower than Eternal and not only because of Eternal's mechanics,the overall pace of the game Still a masterpiece tho

[@annihilatedv1360]

@@brain_bank48 I play multiplayer every now and then Used to play it everyday until Eternal I like Battlemode,but Multiplayer is way better and funnier

[@guitarninja416]

Eternal's pacing is a complete mess as a video game. As a doom game its pacing is amazing because you are almost constantly fighting, as a video game it is very exhausting to play because you are almost constantly fighting.

[@martymcfly88mph35]

I think Halo2 or Halo1 is best FPS ever but Doom Eternal is definitely up there.

[@youraveragegamer8832]

@@guitarninja416 The constant battle is why a lot of people like the game. Though I will admit that some encounters do go on for too long, especially in the super gore nest master level

[@ArchieGamez]

@@guitarninja416 Thats why they put some platforming sections in between

[@isiahhjohnson7113]

I recently had done that, played Doom Eternal first before Doom 2016, everything about this video is covered but whats left out is how you could use the chainsaw on most enemies, except the bosses, but other than that playing both games were really fun.

[@djordjepopovic7568]

I agree with mostly everything you said , but idk what the Hell you're talking about , the Siege Mode is overpowered even without being upgraded. It's just that people don't understand how to use it. (it basically deletes everything below Mancubus and even then a bit more damage deletes it as well (not to mention 2 Siege Mode shots and anything after that murders Barons) and if you learn that you can use it while in the air , it just becomes gamebreaking , to the point it's not even fun anymore , I mean , while falling , demons hit you much less , MUCH LESS , and you can charge it by the time you fall down , and then mostly everything in the AOE of that thing is dead)

[@RipNteargaming]

Oh I love the siege mode, but after upgrading it you are unstoppable. Anytime you don’t move you can take a lot of damage to just wait for the siege mode to charge up. That’s why I was ripping on it a little.

[@404cp]

@@RipNteargaming you dont need to charge up the siege. If you switch to the gauss and hold down the mod button during the switch animation and then fire as soon as youre able to, it skips the animation and fires a full charged shot instantly at the cost of double ammo usage. its just so broken

[@RipNteargaming]

@@404cp Yeah I forgot about that. I remember seeing speedrunners like ByteMe do that.

[@comet30265]

I still find Doom 2016 fun as fuck and the music is way way better. Eternal has just more fun shit to do but it should be because it’s the next step forward not backwards. Good video

[@dez-m]

All of Mick Gordon is amazing though?

[@guitarninja416]

@@dez-m Music is a personal preference/opinion. But I personally liked 2016 and Eternal's ancient god part 1 dlc music better than base Eternal music. Although Eternal's music is great also

[@Healp145]

I think the ost in eternal pops a lot more and all of the tracks are unique

[@pernomardene6166]

both are amazing, eternal is great but 2016 brings me out the best memories.

[@parisaku813]

Therapist: dead simple in 2016 isn’t real. It can’t hurt you Dead simple in 2016:

[@tntalchemist]

It's not that New Doom is easy, it's that Doom Eternal's difficulty picks up where New Doom's difficulty left off

[@michaeljhale23]

This!!!

[@emadabushofa2379]

I found myself switching weapons like crazy when I returned back to 2016 which made the game easier for me. But the most annoying thing about 2016 is that you can got killed suddenly by a random shot while your health is good on nightmare.

[@orgywithpigs6]

This just reminds me how much I miss the Gauss cannon. It’s painfully cooler and better looking that the Ballista.

[@tylerplayzz8697]

more powerful too, it can 2 shot a baron with siege mode

[@orgywithpigs6]

@@tylerplayzz8697 really I’d just be happy to get a Gauss Cannon skin for the Ballista

[@dondeka2086]

No doom eternal gun sounds as good as “precision bolt gauss cannon” even tho i never used the attachment

[@ashikjaman1940]

I love the Ballista but the **ping** sound from the Gauss Canon is so fucking good, Also, the name is just straight-up cooler.

[@jessegauthier6985]

I prefer the visual design of the ballots and everything else about the Gauss Cannon. Still, I do remember thinking that the Gauss Cannon was kinda OP. It turned a lot of the game for me into sniping demons from across the arena as they spawn. So I appreciate having the ballista being weaker tbh.

[@guidowestcott8136]

im watching this while playing doom 2016

[@Rockeman182]

RIP AND TEAR!!!!!

[@jasonvorhees6592]

@@Rockeman182 UNTIL IT IS DONE !!!!!

[@petetrc9671]

I wish both games had Codex entries where you could go back and replay the glorious audio,, especially the Slayer origins in 2016.

[@masamune2984]

I love how iD let’s you know the SECOND the first level starts in Eternal that this game is gonna be a step up in difficulty. So many people laugh off those three zombies until they realize the enemies in Eternal are MUCH tougher (not harder, tougher.)

[@ConstansTranquillitas]

I feel like the reason ID made the doom slayer death animation less gory in Eternal, was to show that the slayer was stronger in Eternal, but yeah it was probably to save time and take the easy way out.

[@sontar6726]

honestly, i find DOOM 2016's 'rip and tear' intro better than Eternal's. It just sounds so...hateful and pumped with wrath.

[@Wylie288]

Everything about 2016s OST was better. Even ignoring the bad mix, Eternals music just isn't all that good. Gordon is a one hit wonder.

[@adamgibbons8237]

@@Wylie288 Damn, I totally disagree! I thought Eternal's OST had some great moments. But I agree that 2016 was outstanding.

[@defaultdan7923]

@@Wylie288 i never knew someone out there felt the same as me. i personally don’t think it’s the quality of the composition, i think that the tracks weren’t distinct enough. it kinda felt same old same old. also doom eternal didn’t have those more electronic based music(ex. vega core) which i though were amazing.

[@Pingu65716]

@@Wylie288 2016 was great, I haven't played eternal, but I disagree and personally I think the only thing they fear is you is one of doom's greatest hits

[@hellknight3906]

@@Pingu65716 fr

[@yosemie7134]

I just started playing 2016 again after 2 years it’s the most fun I’ve had from a video game in a long time

[@valentinvas6454]

As I'm replaying 2016 on Nightmare after Eternal here are a few things a noticed. Imps are much more dangerous in 2016 as they can use the environment much more effectively and they often try to get close and pummel. Even though you have no dash the slayer is moving a bit faster. Mancubi are much less agressive in 2016 LOL sometimes it takes them ages to start shooting at you.

[@DarknessIsThePath]

Hell Barons are more challenging though.

[@takoshihitsamaru4675]

Excellent video, man. Nice change of pace here. I played 2016 a fair bit in 2018-19 and picked up quick-swapping just from watching some of the guys on Doom's Reddit page. It definitely makes short work of my demons. And I give you my F in chat for Hugo not responding to your question on the last stream hahaha, feelsbadman. I'd love to see a video on possible theories for the new weapon in AG Part 2. The info we know so far is that it doesn't have ammo, but rather a charge of some kind, it is something we've seen before, and it has pros and cons for balancing.

[@monst5247]

I recently just went out and bought doom 2016 and I’ve been loving it I played eternal and it was phenomenal too! They’re both awesome games but eternal seems more lively and doom 16 seems more dark they both have their ups and downs but they’re both great in my books!!!

[@Daniox555]

yooo, never died to a lava in both games, so didn't know about terminator easter egg animation. so cool.

[@feroexe7965]

I hate when you have to bring out the chainsaw then press rt or left click in 2016 but at the same time, I miss chasing after an imp with it out like Leatherface.

[@Rockeman182]

I def understand the decision decision behind eternal's button-press chainsaw but I prefer the equip-first technique as it fun to run straight at an enemy with the chainsaw goin' brrrrrrrrrrrr!! It's just so satisfying

[@feroexe7965]

Same, though eternal is much more better, gameplay wise

[@Healp145]

Maybe they could add an option for that, not many people would use it but it would be there for people who want it

[@emilkb]

You can still do it but that means you need to have a chainsaw fuel pip and that you don’t have any ammo left in every gun

[@feroexe7965]

@@emilkb I've expirienced that before. It doesn't spin though unlike in 2016

[@DaveDexterMusic]

I don't *want* to master mechanics. I want to run into a room with a bunch of massive guns and chow through hell's legions without constantly checking four different readouts and trying to keep weak enemies alive so I can pinata them. Sure, the original Dooms had mechanics, but you could pretty much ignore them. Eternal *forces* you to do the resource dance. And it was either a late addition to the game or hidden from the first footage, which showed the player carrying double the maximum shotgun ammo available in the final release.

[@charleswaggoner9467]

2016 takes the cake in every aspect for me. Eternal for me is next to Doom 3. So much of the franchise was changed that wasn’t needed. The platforming, inventory management, the cartoony look I hate. I mainly play the combat shotgun and rarely use other guns, but when I utilize cheats it’s super shotgun all day everyday just like 2016, oh the memories. The combat movement is ok, but I recommend 2016 or any other Doom title (aside from Doom 3) that actually shows a true Doom experience to be had. Anyone asking about eternal I tell em wait till it hits the sale bin and to use the money your grandma gave you for your birthday or Christmas so as to not come out of pocket, bills need to be paid and food on the table, not wasted on this.

[@nikolasmoret1884]

What an awful take. Doom eternal is often regarded as the best fps ever, just because its a little different in atmosphere and a little more challenging than the older doom games doesnt detract from eternal at all. Unless you just dont care about gameplay and are only playing for the dark grungy aesthetic

[@charleswaggoner9467]

@@nikolasmoret1884 the aesthetic is like 25% of the game. If it aint death, decay, dark, gritty and demonic that comes with the Doom name then its just another fps especially having the Doom name. Shoot ill actually play Doom 3 just cause of the atmosphere, i only play eternal for cheats, but i play any other Doom name for everything that comes with the Doom name. Sure you may think its an awful take but sadly it needs to be said and a slew of other people agree. The battlepass, skins, plastic toy demons, and dlc packs were done to attract to a wider audience. Inventory management, mario with guns, no corridors with demons are gameplay changes that see no need to be involved in a Doom game. Im all for gameplay, i like the in a battle “dodging shit and quick” parts, but needless spinning fireballs and moving platforms really. Im glad people like it but i only play because of Doom and cheats so i can use my super shotty, other than that its a pretty shit game comparative to Doom 3.

[@seanshnizzy]

I’m addicted to doom eternal I’ve beat it and I still play it all the time. Every night for a year now lol

[@frayedsanity]

2016 feels waaaaay slower to me. Eternal is a freaking mental workout in comparison! hahaha.

[@NaumRusomarov]

there's a bug/feature in doom 2016 that allows you to use the gauss siege mode al the time, you click and press the mod button (usually mouse 2) on a different weapon that doesn't have a second mode (like the ssg), and then switch to the gauss canon and press fire. It instantly fires a shot as if it's in siege mode. It takes a bit of finger magic but once you master it, you can just plow through hordes of demons. it was a common thing used by doom 2016 speedrunners.

[@devindalton4688]

If Doom Eternal had the same atmosphere as 2016, it would literally be a perfect game.

[@advictoriams]

just started playing 2016 again after 2 years of Eternal, and I kept finding that I was trying to dash when I couldn't too. I still use chainsaw as much as I can, but it's weird. air control and blood fueled are definitely a godsend in 2016. SSG/Gauss Cannon is just as good as SSG/Ballista, but I do miss using Arbalest. but yeah totally agree. Quick switching in 2016 is way easier now

[@asimplepie2279]

Doom 2016 has great atmosphere, but eternal has great atmosphere AND better mechanics. Eternal is best, but 2016 is still a modern classic.

[@asimplepie2279]

@Bruine Poep I disagree about the ammo, it’s just part of the combat loop and to possibly use the entire weapon wheel. As for the platform sections, it’s a hit or miss. The problem with Doom 2016 is that you get TOO MUCH fucking ammo, there’s no point to use the rest of the weapons. But idk it’s just my opinion.

[@TheXtrategaxd]

@Bruine Poep Bruh you just need like 1 second to refill your ammo. I dont know what you think about that but is that is your opinion then is ok

[@dondeka2086]

Doom 2016 has a wayyyy better aesthetics, its very enjoyable even if you’re just staring at the scenery with ambient playing. The way i put it doom eternal is if you’re looking for fun, doom 2016 is if you wanna rewind after a long day at work

[@asimplepie2279]

@@dondeka2086 I can agree! But when I think of awesome Eternal aesthetics/atmosphere I think of Hell on Earth, where there are Titans carrying hell barges across lava and tentacles coming out of the sky. It’s really really good. I’d say the one thing that will take away from Doom Eternals atmosphere would be the floating platform sections but it’s such a minor detail I don’t really care.

[@Bada_Bing_Bada_Beowulf]

Eternal's atmosphere sucked really bad. Like every single level felt totally different and wasn't consistent, and the Sentinel levels in particular were super boring and uninteresting. SWIMMING.

[@laggingpf]

00:28 "...mastering Doom Eternal." Your gameplay says otherwise m8

[@evillink1]

Going back to Doom 2016 after Ancient Gods is like taking an arithmetic class after learning calculus.

[@1chip]

DOOM 2016: worth it DOOM Eternal: worth it x10

[@FreedomPLMarcin]

I find doom 2016 tons easier after experiencing Eternal.

[@Milkra]

Yeah, the demon AI is way stupider and more forgiving than Eternal’s. Demons in eternal can lead their shots or try to flank you, and I don’t really see that as much with 2016.

[@nike_swoosh9122]

Try playing on ultra nightmare and have the 2016 aimbot imp fireballs prove that wrong.

[@defaultdan7923]

@@nike_swoosh9122 fr, fuck imp fireballs, they do like 70% of your health

[@brentkilgore5182]

I'd say the best thing eternal could have done was the "no dying if you fall" mechanic. That was probably my biggest gripe with 2016, I hated having to go aaaaaaall the way back to the previous checkpoint lol

[@dblundz]

i will always love the models of doom 2016's demons and art style more. And look how they massacred my DOOT boy

[@VIRT22]

9:10 May I introduce you to ... Siege Switching? It practically makes you un-killable in DOOM 2016.

[@AbeDorf18]

Yeah siege mode is fucking broken.

[@felipejordan6220]

I back to 2016 after beating doom eternal ultra nightmare, and i died millions of time 👉👈

[@revelation2-9]

Played 2016 recently and going through Eternal now. I personally prefer 2016 thus far because I think it nails the aesthetic of DOOM and the pacing feels just right. Eternal does offer "more" in terms of combat, but the pacing feels just a bit too fast. Not fast in difficulty, but it makes it feel off. Eternal is still an excellent game, but I would like for them to combine 2016's pacing and art direction with Eternal's combat diversity in a future title.

[@flydrop8822]

Something I didn't like in Eternal is how the interactability of the demons decreased a lot. In DOOM 2016 I would frequently see demons killing each other and being affected by the ambient (nearby explosions and such), while in Eternal the demons never kill each other (they attack each other, but don't deal any damage) nor do they react to the environment. In the first level of Eternal there is a part with cannons mounted on a flesh wall in a subway and I instantly thought I could use them to kill the fodder demons but it was pretty disappointing to see that they did no damage at all to any of them. Both games are still pretty cool though and I think Eternal improved a lot of things but I didn't like these little details that were left out.

[@saaaaaaaaalt838]

I was speedrunning 2016 long before eternal came out so I had quick switching down from the get go. I cannot express enough how happy I was that quick switching is the recommended strategy in eternal because it fit right into what I was used to. The very reason I stated speedrunning at all was because quick switching was flashy and cool and I wanted to do it. It's also a lot of fun surprisingly enough.

[@Vynzent]

Man, I miss the thick atmosphere of Doom2016. If Eternal could have had just a bit more of that, that would have been awesome. Even the dark grittier levels look bright compared to Doom2016.

[@silentplays4409]

Great video I am sure you will get to 50K subs soon I believe in you but I never got to play 2016 Doom, only doom eternal which was an amazing game but I think I might give doom 2016 a shot

[@Zuhayrvisual]

Haven't played doom eternal yet but i still can say that its a masterpiece just by looking at its gameplay , environment, map designs and more, both are good games.

[@untipicostormtrooper2098]

The 2016 version have best looking demons and the atmosphere looks better

[@grandmascookingshow]

Only 2 things I liked more about 2016 I liked how in 2016 weapons ammo and armor were on the ground not floating I also liked how when you died in 2016 an animation would play I wish they had them in doom eternal

[@TykonBlue]

Love both games so much! Even though the gameplay is incredible in eternal, i still think i like 2016 slightly more...i am not sure why, maybe just the experience and the impact it had on me.

[@Rockeman182]

That's exactly how I feel. Eternal is objectively better (in a lot of ways) but for some reason I'm still very much in love with 2016. I think because it got me really into the Doom franchise as a whole and all of the modern touches were so carefully executed. Because of 2016, I love all Doom games.

[@TykonBlue]

@@Rockeman182 yeah! For me 2016 is an experience, sort of like how disneyland is for me. The rides (without the experience and atmosphere are pretty barebones.) But it is the nostalgia, atmosphere and allthe good stuff about 2016 that makes it great. Plus it is really fun to play

[@HeavenForYourEarsHD]

Doom 2016, using super shotgun 90%of the time, but in Eternal, they sure made you use all the arsenal you have, which made for a better gameplay. I love both games!

[@dropkickpherby6994]

I'm just gonna say it. Can you imagine id Software making a FPS Predator game???

[@SnakePlisskin.]

Ad be down for that....

[@Healp145]

It would have a slayer skin for the predator than you can unlock without microtransactions

[@dropkickpherby6994]

@@Healp145 id be okay with this.

[@thenybble8590]

Only played DOOM Eternal until ragequitting DOOM 2016 earlier so really nice to have your insight before I open it again.

[@blazikenboy1233]

I would love some more lore vids

[@CulturedVultures]

04:35 that "ping" sound is like someone throwing a gold bar at a toaster to me and I dunno why