Why I Think DOOM Eternal is Worse Than DOOM 2016

[@ConnorShawVA]

*sticks neck into hornet's nest* uh hey my pronouns are they/them so if you're gonna yell at me for being wrong please do it correctly thanks

[@pollo4070]

Yes kings

[@emiliofallas7127]

kinda sucks how everyone's being a jerk to you over this. As much as I think your opinion kinda sucks, I wouldn't wanna disrespet you as a person

[@yaboyalijah352]

@@ZyloPhone notice how they didn’t mention that at any point and you’re just assuming stuff about them based off a single game review

[@PeterLawrenceYT]

As someone who's bothered to put themselves through beating Ultra Nightmare for both the Campaign and DLC, I agree with nearly every point in this video. DOOM Eternal is needlessly bloated and unintuitive. DOOM '16 has a much more clear and refined focus instead of being bogged down by 15 different independent upgrade trees and mechanics that feel slapped together. And those unskippable cutscenes mid-level telling you where to go bother me so much on repeated playthroughs. Thanks for a great, and quite underappreciated video.

[@Jack_War]

@@lukatosic4447 nuff said man 👌

[@TurnTwister]

I have never heard anyone claim that 2016 was faster than eternal. Had to tell my friend to play 2016 before eternal because he was going to do it the other way around and ruin 16 for himself because of how much slower it is, and after he played them he agreed

[@GallowayJesse]

Well the base movement speed was faster in 2016. But altogether doom eternal is way faster with the double-dash for sure

[@TurnTwister]

@@GallowayJesse can't forget about speed boost rune in eternal

[@odin175lorenz5]

@@GallowayJesse both have the same base movementspeed

[@GallowayJesse]

@@odin175lorenz5 Nope, base movement speed is a little faster

[@odin175lorenz5]

@@GallowayJesse you know 2016 feels at times faster because the levels are smaller and the enemies move slower.

[@TeryonTheHuman]

"Skipping cutscenes in this single player story feels weird to do" Almost like it's a single player game with a story and skipping the cutscenes means you're going to be missing something which is a consequence of your choice. Damn who would have thought?

[@WarningStrangerDanger]

2016 had Arcade Mode that stripped out all narrative and granted levels purely classic DOOM replayability. I enjoyed that, for later pick-up-and-play sessions. It was that feature that had me buy the game again on the Switch. I think this feature should make a comeback. Master Levels fill this need for the best players, but I can't see my girlfriend enjoying Master Levels the same way she enjoyed 2016's Arcade Mode.

[@TeryonTheHuman]

@@cirtexquake3370 1993 has been gone for a very long time. You can go ahead and let it go now buddy

[@jetthejudge]

You won't miss anything important by skipping the cutscenes in this game.

[@warbossbonesmasha3751]

@@TeryonTheHuman There should still be some option to permanently remove them IMO I’ve played through the game about 5 times now (100 if you count the failed ultra nightmare runs) and the cutscenes are a minor annoyance that would be cool to be able to turn off

[@TeryonTheHuman]

@@warbossbonesmasha3751 that is possibly one of the most unnecessary things I've ever read someone request.

[@MykeGG]

"Theres a creepy Messiah-iffication of him" So you're telling me, if you saw a huge, buff marine in a very technologically advanced suit that carries guns that are very big and is known for decimating hell for 2-3billion years, YOU wouldn't be intimidated?

[@loganasesorlagsub6460]

they also tested his suits durability and it did not even got a scrach from there weapons even 10 terawatts of energy or 10 megawatts of energy witch is more than earths population in a year 10 fold

[@Zeuts85]

"Messiah-iffication" refers to portraying someone as a savior or messianic figure, not intimidating. Given that the Doom Guy's hallmark is murdering the ever-loving-shit out of everything, that's probably not the sort of thing you'd want to worship somebody for.

[@saltypickle7758]

Was it really 2 to 3 billion years?

[@godservant90]

​@@Zeuts85 in an apocalypse setting where the world is being invaded by demonic monsters from hell and all sorts of advanced technologies of Earth are no match for them, you would probably look towards the only man who's capable enough to save the entire humanity as your savior.

[@shadowrobot7708]

My biggest problem is that they made the demons unable to damage each other so infighting is visual only.

[@eddiewalpole]

They what?!

[@thenybble8590]

"The wise fighter pits their enemies against each other." *Bethesda cackles menacingly*

[@Q3VyaW9zaXR5YnJvdWdodGl0YmFjaw]

@user-lk7cv8vg7r oh no, you have to actually fight the demons in a demon fighting game to kill them, the humanity

[@backflipmann]

@@Q3VyaW9zaXR5YnJvdWdodGl0YmFjaw You're totally missing the point man. Haven't you heard of demon infighting in Doom 1&2? It's so much fun to turn demons against each other, it's not something that is game-breaking in any way giving how tricky and uncommon it actually is. I can assure you that demon infighting is absolutely expected in any Doom videogame!

[@reshadegaming6285]

@@backflipmann This is wrong, the demons do damage each other, they just can't KILL each other.

[@greekpestnyc3145]

7:51 You can turn off empowered demons in the settings, I don’t see why you’re complaining about it when it’s an optional high risk high reward setting. Plus I’d rather have these cutscenes that I can skip in Eternal than unskippable ones in Doom 2016 like the Samuel Haden conversations.

[@toadbox8884]

It's not really a high risk high reward thing anymore because you don't get a lot of loot from them anymore, same loot as a barrel almost

[@BrayH-hz5db]

@@toadbox8884 when I first saw the nerf when playing I thought it was a bug

[@retarddog6505]

@@BrayH-hz5db what did you used to get from them (I started playing this week)

[@BrayH-hz5db]

@@retarddog6505 what do you mean?

[@neun0233]

@@retarddog6505 you used to get the equivalent of a chainsaw and glory kill in terms of health and ammo i think, but it got reduced greatly recently

[@internetuser7365]

In 2016 I was immersed by the gritty aesthetic and dark story. In eternal I was immersed by the gameplay.

[@1nva0er55]

Agree wholeheartedly I really can't explain it, but even with all the lore, there is something truly ominous about how the Slayer wqs portrayed in 2016. From just the beginning to when we start to hear the background, there was this sense of menace to him. Like sure, it's awesome to be him but it often felt like you were not supposed to BE this guy, coz he acted fairly normal and sure was a bit angry, but somehow his on screen actions do not give the sense of how truly, incomprehensibly powerful he is based on the demon lore. And at some points it was genuinely terrifying, to know that the guy you played as was an ancient curse contained by getting a building dropped on him. It was this menace that Eternal, for all its perfection, couldn't replicate.

[@Tarkovian2]

wish ancient gods part 2 takes place in hell similar in design to 2016

[@kevinuploadingwhatever]

FACTS

[@rdablock]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 huge mistake IMO, they should've just rebooted the whole thing and continue with 2016's aesthetic

[@ScileSc]

@@juanjoyaborja.3054 All doom games are connected Storywise. And its always the same person except for Doom 3. And for the last time the Icon of Sin is not Doom guys son. It´s Valens.

[@Shuttergun1]

*claims the mechanics don’t even interact with each other* seconds later *literally shows how the ice bomb and flame belch interact with each other but it’s not the way he wants it to interact with each other so it doesn’t count?*

[@lordjzargo7940]

They don't interact?

[@ballerrr273]

@@lordjzargo7940 Health upgrade for ice bomb. Ice bomb target(s). Use flame belch. You get both armor and health when they die. It is so simple.

[@irandomguy7107]

Oh yeah and the shotgun hook can be used to move around and some parkour

[@manoninternet7253]

@@purebaldness l

[@MinhLe-cf5nt]

@@404_my_life That sounds like two mechanics happen simultaneously than them interacting with each other. Their effects don't change due to each other's presence. To give you an example, I have two weapon interactions from Ultrakill. 1.Railgun coin. There is a handgun alternate fire in Ultrakill that let you throw a coin and reflect your shot off it into an enemy weak point. You can throw a coin, switch to the railgun and shoot it to deflect the railgun's shot into enemy. The railgun gains a new property because it interacts with the coin. 2.Shotgun punch. With proper timing you can punch a shotgun shell to make the pellets fly faster and explode on contact. Once against, new property due to interaction. You can't really say they interact when they don't do anything new as a result of their combination.

[@Superlizardy36]

6:02 my guy, theres a marker, where are you going

[@renatocfrancisco]

lol

[@clunk_fest5326]

Did you listen to what he was saying? He’s talking about secrets and exploring the map. He went there because there could have been a secret, but it was just a kill zone for some reason.

[@alveypaez5646]

​@@clunk_fest5326 Pretty sure that's why there's the automap and an upgrade to reveal all secret collectables, so there wouldn't be a reason to just blindly go everywhere to check if there's a secret.

[@dtomis1335]

6:01 if you could go over that part without being killed, you would complain that you can skip a whole level.

[@ex-poserbot323]

But why would the developers even put that there in the first place?

[@H3_Noc]

@@ex-poserbot323 So you don't skip a whole level.

[@Q-TebGamesNL]

@@ex-poserbot323 if the walls were too high, the cutscene to show the tentacles blocking the path would not have worked

[@ex-poserbot323]

@@H3_Noc But if it looks jumpable why prevent the player with a respawn? Why not just extend the wall a bit higher? In Titanfall 2 you can jump, boost and climb everywhere but the level design is made with the abilities in mind, so it doesn't break immersion when you can't go somewhere that looks traversable

[@H3_Noc]

@@ex-poserbot323 True, but the walls were small so you could see the tentacles blocking the path, if the walls were bigger you won't really see the tentacles properly from your POV or in cutscenes.

[@nike_swoosh9122]

I prefer 2016 as well but definitely not for the reasons you state.

[@nike_swoosh9122]

@@deadtake2664 i preferred the overall atmosphere, and more focused storyline. The level design was less arcadey. I also preferred some of the enemy character models.

[@nike_swoosh9122]

@@deadtake2664 The level design in Eternal felt a little too Mario like. Floating platforms with spinning fire balls, glowing green weapon drops, and floating question marks. All that kinda dropped the realism aspect I liked in 2016. In 2016 you'd have to loot weapons and keycards off of body's instead of picking them up while they're floating in the air. You'd have to find secrets and not look for a yellow question mark. Each new weapon and new demon had an interesting animation. I also prefer the possessed from 2016. Everything felt more hellish and less like an alien invasion. I thought the rune challenges were fun and sucked they weren't in Eternal. The chainsaw animations and glory kills felt more brutal too. The UAC was one of my favorite environments and definitely helped with the atmosphere and realism. I know they were trying to go back to a classic style but I prefer the more modern style. The UI felt like a downgrade as well for me personally. They also didn't include the classic maps like before which were an interesting and unique idea. These are some of the things I preferred however Eternal is better in many aspects like combat and gameplay. Hopefully in the next game they combine these aspects.

[@elonmusk731]

@@nike_swoosh9122 I can't be bothered to read all that but I agree my guy

[@wiwkekskkekssjjssjsj8646]

@@nike_swoosh9122 you can play all of doom 1-2 in the fortress of doom?

[@mkv2718]

@@nike_swoosh9122 i would agree. while i agree with many of the points made in the vid (tho maybe not as vehemently- i still like doom eternal quite a bit) the atmosphere change is still pretty jarring. maybe even more-so than the enemy redesigns. also, 2016 had better boss encounters. eternal just has 2 enemies that get downgraded to normal enemies and one big dmg sponge... oh, and adds. sooooo many adds (cuz you’d run outta ammo and health i guess?). 2016 had focused fights that made the bosses really feel like powerful enemies since they took 100%of your attention.

[@aduck48]

Never seen someone contradict themselves so many times

[@Mountainlion118]

@@user-qn5ku7gs3r that dosnt really say much

[@king_isshiki]

Projecting muhch ? N word.

[@egg_64.]

Honestly so true lol

[@azazelsvideos8298]

Is this the dude that placed an Empowered Imp in my game?

[@friskalicious3666]

been laughing at this for hours

[@colecaldwell4278]

Fr

[@Pancake_Bunny1]

loool

[@theoutsider0724]

This is the most Underrated comment ever looool

[@themidnightshadows1941]

nah, its another ign journalist

[@thrall2000]

I dont want to go on an entire 5 paragraph rant but I want to point out a few things The different upgrades serve very different purposes, having all of them combined into one currency would result in just everyone getting one specific upgrade at a time and not utilizing all the mechanics. Its not really that hard to difrientiate them either. Eternal is more focused on thinking while shooting, knowing what guns and its add ons to use on what enemy and to prioritize what the highest threats are to deal with them properly while simultaneously dodging all the others. The Marauder is supposed to add another level of gameplay to packed fights to keep you on the move so you cant just blast him in one hit and move on, you are forced to dodge and attack only when you can. Chainsaws are supposed to be used to refuel on ammo while crucible is used for specific demon removal, they serve very different purposes, and the grapple hook is supposed to be used for movement in combat to get around faster, was never meant to be used for platforming.

[@MGrey-qb5xz]

agree fully but i feel like the melee nerf was just unnecessary,either change the animation to doom guy just pushing back enemies with his gun so it makes sense why enemies only get staggered or make it as damaging as 2016. In ultra nightmare they can make it the normal eternal melee again,doesn't bother me much but jesus i feel so under powered using a chainsaw on a weak ass imp or zombie edit: spelling

[@PretentiousAdonis]

@@MGrey-qb5xz Yeah I have no clue why they nerfed the punch especially since they made the slayers forearms and biceps gorilla sized in this game. I also wish each demon had the amount of glory kill animations as 2016, there were so many good glory kills in 2016 but there feels like there's only like 4 per demon in eternal.

[@Prankmeister1990]

I’d like the Marauder more if he actually felt functional half the time. He constantly gets stuck on level geometry, uses ranged attacks up in your face and doesn’t seem to consistently stagger from some attacks. It forces you to use only a small bit of your arsenal and it just feels bad. The absolute worst part about him though is how he breaks game logic. He puts down his shield to attack you, but if you try and counter hit him he just... magically has the shield back up again. Only his very specific overhead swing can be “parried” and it’s really shitty. People always try and compare the Marauder to a Dark Souls enemy, but in DS or Bloodborne if you successfully hit an enemy with enough damage during *any* attack, they stagger. But the Marauder puts his giant shield down so he can blast you with his shotgun and if you try and retaliate, he just blocks it anyway? Fuck that, I hit him with *hitscan* while he had no visible defenses up and it doesn’t count because “herp derp you gotta wait for the super special glowy eye attack”. That’s nonsense. The devs need to go and play Bloodborne again to see what fair counter play is actually like.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

@@Prankmeister1990 You can damage him in those moments where his shield are down but you can only stagger him when he uses the big green glow attack. You can damage him with his shield up with remote detonate behind his shield, a grenade under his feet, if you use a bfg shot he'll turn to block it giving you a shot at his back. Look up more ways to attack the marauder, his tutorial text box really tells you nothing.

[@Prankmeister1990]

@@PretentiousAdonis Oh trust me, I'm aware of the other ways to deal with him. In more rough fights I basically just use stickies and remote detonation to whittle him down while focusing on the rest of the demons in the arena. Quickswapping to the Unmakyr after a stagger is a great way to deal with him quickly, and I've been practicing the auto-shutgun/grenade stunlock combo that Mayo uses. Still, I feel that even if you don't get a hard stagger when hitting the Marauder during his other attacks, you should at least be able to interrupt them.

[@Mrwill-in8ks]

Tbh honest I prefer doom eternal because its harder and forces you to use all your resources to beat fights. I'll prefer this than doom 2016 where the game got easier because you got more upgrades.

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

Not only that, when you have full armor and health, you can get a ruin that gives INFINITE BFG AMMO. so yeah. You can see where it's becoming easy.

[@crazy_man7578]

Yeah 2016 is really easy if you get the mechanic even on nightmare. The hardest part of UN isn't even fighting demon but rather the platforming since 1 miss jump will end your run. Eternal done much better job at difficulty where the higher difficulty is challenging and a real test of your skill. In 2016 game pretty much hand a power to you but in Eternal you have to earn it by learning and practicing.

[@CranSo]

I first played the classic dooms, so when I saw 2016 announced I was amazed, eternal feels very cartoony, like a brutal kids game, but still very fun, both are great

[@mariaPapagi]

I’m not good with FPS and I didn’t want to play it on easy so I ended up dying many times. But omg it felt so rewarding whenever I cleared a stage. I love it.

[@quarth9396]

i do wanna give them props for mention meathook not being used in platforming

[@_cabbs_7304]

"Doom 3 was a video game" Hmm, yes, the floor is made of floor

[@petrpecenkaml.9755]

Every 60 seconds, a minute passes in Africa.

[@pollo4070]

@@petrpecenkaml.9755 the earth is round

[@MegablanchardStrangerThings]

Dirt is dirty

[@rarespopescu240]

Fire is hot

[@ahnafm.m.z7750]

Ice is cold

[@schmelvin8847]

my man is comparing the crucible to the chainsaw

[@SSOTI_esp]

Genious critic

[@schmelvin8847]

@@SSOTI_esp quite frankly revolutionary

[@thedice5394]

Man made chainsaw and otherworldly sword powered by demonic energy. yUp ThE SaMe tHiNG

[@gavinrobinson8925]

They are though dude. The funtionality of 2016 chaunsaw was spilt between 2 weapons.

[@mr.breadman4181]

​@@gavinrobinson8925 1 the crucible iss literally a super sword that can One shot almost every demon with ONE CHARGE while the chainsaw needs up to 3 and already had a hot key

[@aryotaheri7421]

I mean it’s fair and perfectly fine to say “hey, 2016 has these features that I like and Eternal has these features that I don’t like, due to my personal taste” but to frame it as this is why Eternal is BAD, or not as good, is just wrong. Maybe you can’t be bothered to learn the more intricate combat system in Eternal and therefore don’t enjoy it as much which is fine, but eternal gives you tools that if you learn to use not only will you not struggle with the game but you’ll have even more fun, so to claim the game is worse since you can’t be bothered to personally learn its systems is, well, simply false.

[@vivechjorviani5440]

For your pompous attitude I’m gonna need you kneecaps

[@knowledgeanddefense1054]

Yeah... I like Eternal but you're gonna have to calm down a little bit, it's not god's gift

[@kingnothing2161]

The title literally starts with "Why I Think" Very clearly an opinion

[@chrisblack6258]

@@kingnothing2161 I guess the Author has changed the title based on the comments

[@menzoznem]

Doom Eternal fucking sucks when you start out because it is quite unforgiveable ito freedom. Later when you learn the complex combat system it becomes more interesting and enjoyable though I feel a bit contrived in the combat system. If you give me 10 choices but I can only pick 1 or 2 of them is the combat than more complex than when I could just do pretty much whatver I wanted to do in DOOM 2016? I guess you need to force players to use certain tools otherwise why use those tools. But I guess the atmosphere and brutality of 2016 just make it far more enjoyable for me than the far more cartooney approach if eternal.

[@yeetrippin]

5:07 I heavily disagree with that. Everything was made perfectly for the combat. The regular grenades are used not just to hurt enemies and throw into the mouths of Cacodemons but to falter enemies in heavy combat. The flame belch is a perfect tool to use in an area with a lot of smaller demons on some smaller enemies in combat. The chainsaw is in my opinion one of the greatest changes in the entire franchise. Ammo is low on purpose, the game encourages you to switch weapons often to save ammo and do more damage, it also helps with not making the game repetitive and boring after a while. Also Empowered demons can be turned off. The upgrading system in Eternal is the same like it was in 2016 except the argent cells became crystals and Chips became Tokens. And the Marauder? Really? Just 2 weapons (super shotgun and the balista) are enough to take him down after his eyes glow 3 times.

[@carterslade8771]

In the footage he's constantly shooting the Marauders shield and getting up in his face. I get the feeling that it's not so much that the mechanics are half baked, as much as it is that he didn't really take the time to learn them properly as he wanted to blaze through the combat the way he did in 2016. But, why would you? We already have that game.

[@Krystalmyth]

You know what the chainsaw should be used for? CUTTING THE FUCKER IN HALF. You know what the flame belch should be good for? INCINERATING your enemy. You know why grenades are famous? Blowing shit up, and riddling them with shrapnel. The way you wrote this post exemplifys what is wrong with Eternal. You talk about Doom like it's fucking math project. _The game encourages you to switch weapons to save on ammo...._ It used to encourage you to rip and tear. Now it encourages you to wait till someone's eyes start to glow. If Eternal had been what 2016 was, we wouldn't be having a sequel today.

[@estoylol2951]

@@Krystalmyth So you're complaining because it's has actual mechanics and not "kill everything in sight" buttons?

[@thespoonman2918]

@@Krystalmyth I believe most of the points made here apply to a human, not a being from literal hell

[@pacivalmuller9333]

Eternal sucks in comparison to 2016, the melee punch deals 0.000001 damage.

[@HOOOPER]

"enemies are bullet sponges" Proceeds to use the default fire on the heavy cannon to kill a hell knight

[@lionjjhj]

😂

[@appalacha7278]

😂

[@Aspenstorpemusic]

😂

[@Joao-ot1mw]

😂

[@king_isshiki]

So? Lmfao, mf.

[@dragonzhide9874]

the crusible and chainsaws have different purposes, the chainsaw is for restoring ammo while the crusible is the get out of fight free card

[@BimmWPBS]

Yes but they can easily be the same mechanic

[@crunchycakegaming1507]

@@BimmWPBS they are different mechanics because if they weren't then what would be the point?

[@ofal5124]

in that case the crucible, That legendary sword of a doom slayer Is just worse version of chainsaw because it dosen't restore your ammo

[@crunchycakegaming1507]

@@ofal5124 No you can use the cruicible on more then just basic enemies. The crucible is meant for killing tough enemies, the chainsaw is for weaker enemies and restoring ammo

[@ofal5124]

@@crunchycakegaming1507 but why don't use chainsaw on stronger enemies?

[@crazderskelly]

I fear a storm is coming in this comment section.

[@eatershep6280]

Yeah am ready for that cause yeah doom eternal has some flaws but a good game overall but still has some things that are not good

[@Hinokassaudifan1]

Doom fans will burn your house down if they don't like your, well, anything.

[@shawklan27]

@@Hinokassaudifan1 yeah they don't accept if anyone is critical of eternal. Some of them will accuse you of being a lou2 fanboy or a gaming journalist.

[@Antrixous]

*[Connor Shaw has alerted the horde!]*

[@mcdonaldsisforfatamericans7185]

maybe it because this guy has a shit opinion

[@raphaelbaumgarten3111]

where is underthemayo when you need him

[@jagsdenby-atkinson1095]

Right?

[@petrpecenkaml.9755]

He really doesn't need to waste his time on a garbage video like this. He's way better of doing content he and us enjoy.

[@rares9885]

F A X

[@SarahSchlongfeel]

The game has been out almost a year and this dude doesn't even know you can cut tutorials and empowered demons off. He doesn't even understand the difference between the chainsaw and crucible when the game clearly outlines their individual roles. I highly doubt anything mayo could say would help this guy because he seems pretty helpless lol.

[@whodat7763]

Underthemayo sucks. There's many better Doom youtubers out there that don't sound like they're talking down to their audience.

[@Skull218]

This video once again exemplifies the divide between 2016 players and Eternal players pretty much perfectly. I think glory kills are annoying too. That's why instead of using the shotgun grenades or frags on Cacodemons, I use the arbalest instead. Especially in situations where -There are multiple of them -There are other flying enemies IE Pain Elementals -I already have the ballista out because I'm fighting a Marauder, etc The game returns to what made Doom 1 and 2 beautiful; by virtue of how a level/room is designed, and how the enemies are placed within that room, the "right tool for the job" is dynamic; it's not always the same weapon or mod. This is a stark contrast to 2016 where if you wanted to just fly through SSG > Guass > RPG, that's all you ever needed ever. When someone who's used to Doom 2016's combat style comes across this, they find a single dominant strategy and stick to it, even if the situation calls for something else, which is why you constantly get Low Health/Low Ammo. -------------- Overall the thesis of your argument is that Eternal has a lot of half baked ideas that don't mesh with the core concepts and that 2016 had fewer of these concepts and executed them better. However, in watching this video I feel it's less that the ideas are half baked and more that you're not using them to their fullest potential and thus get that sense from them. I don't mean this to say you're "Bad at video games", etc. There's a very, VERY interesting argument to be made about how Doom 2016 being the precursor to Eternal purposefully sets you up for this mindset. In the days leading up to Eternal, I played Doom 2 on UV-Fast monsters. This was a fantastic experience and IMO the best way to play Doom 2. Weapons start being way more useful, positioning becomes way more important, every single thing you do is calcuated in real time. This is the experience I wanted from Eternal, and the experience I was given. When I hop into the Gore Nest Master Level a year later, I find myself constantly switching weapons and utilizing their mods, using grenades to deal damage alongside my gun, using the meathook to traverse combat arenas, using flamethrowers and glory kills to keep my stack up, using Blood punches on Doom Hunters and Cyber-Mancubi, etc. These systems don't feel half baked; in fact, I keep finding new ways to exploit the falter system to make my life easier in intense fights. THIS, is what makes Eternal an interesting game. A few weeks ago, I learned about Microwave Beam tapping. By using it on an enemy for only a split second, you can stun them with it, switch back to a damage dealer and shoot them, then switch back to the microwave beam, repeating until they're dead. This makes it so Tyrants and Barons can't so much as get a shot off on you, but it forces you to walk slower and can only be done to one enemy, which means it's not super overpowered. I incorporated it into my playstyle, and used it against enemies like them. However, days after that, I accidentally microwave beamed a pinky and came to the realization that this stun lasts long enough for me to get behind them and put a double barrel up its ass. I came to this realization all on my own, and after 300 hours of play I found yet ANOTHER way of dealing with Pinkies that saves on Blood Punch and doesn't require baiting a charge. THIS, is what makes Eternal an interesting game. This is what 2016 could never offer due to the simplicity of its combat loop, and the fact that ultimately you were never forced to "use the right tool for the job". I was never pushed to find a better way to deal with any enemy because the SSG double shot did just fine. 2016 feels more mindless than Eternal, and the latter's mindfulness is where I want the series to go, as that's what made Doom 2 a great game in the first place. I really think you'd enjoy it a lot more if you tried to play with this mindset. I remember a friend once told me to play Half Life "like a theoretical physicist", and all of a sudden I enjoyed dealing with HECUs a lot more because I was using weapons like Snarks and the Hivehead to break up their military strategy and making them easier to fight. I still think Half Life is at fault for the original mindset I took, because the way the aliens are introduced in Unforeseen Consequences beg the player to play the game as if it were Quake or Duke Nukem. With Doom Eternal, I feel like it's at fault for being a sequel to 2016. You go into it with the same mindset as you would 2016 and the game seems bloated and confused. If you go in with it using that Fast Monsters mindset, seeing these tools as tools, finding ways to mix and match them to improve your killing power, the game blows 2016 out of the water.

[@Skull218]

I think the reason it ended up being so divisive is because some people ended up engaging with the hype, and some didn't. For people who went in completely blind, they expected 2016 2. For people who didn't, and who paid attention to a lot of the media surrounding Eternal prior to its release, they already expected a very different game, and thus that's what they got and were happy with it. This divide is incredibly fascinating to me, and I think the ACTUAL lesson to gleam from Eternal is that if you're going to take your sequel in a new direction, you need to lampshade this in a way that ANYONE playing that game will understand.

[@Skull218]

However, the message of "Focus on your core concepts" is a very good one, especially in the world of game dev. I just don't think Eternal is a good vehicle for this lesson. Even if you think everything in this video was right, the game's commercial and critical success kind of disproves this argument on its face.

[@nucleus691]

This comment is beautiful.

[@crotchkicker666]

Well put!

[@Xhawk777]

excellently worded and very insightful. Im with you on team microwave beam haha

[@bruhmomentum8302]

No dislikes? Well looks like everyone loved this review!

[@Noodle01]

Glad we could all come to an agreement and have all removed our dislikes from this video!🤝

[@bruhmomentum8302]

@@certifiedorange4062 how many dislikes I wanna know 💀

[@Pac_Appl21]

136k views/ 2.7k likes Yeah I still think this is not a good thing.

[@kotstoweeb]

@@Pac_Appl21 9.8k dislikes, thank you

[@Pac_Appl21]

@@kotstoweeb Thank you for what?

[@rumpusRoom_]

Most of the problems seem to arise from not wanting to learn all the new mechanics. Which is ok. I also got very frustrated at first, but after some trial and error and experimentation the game became a blast.

[@DJL3G3ND]

yeah for most of my first playthrough I ignored most mechanics thinking it would be too much to focus on, even now I still dont use ice grenade, but Ive definitely improved a lot from using them, the super gore nest master level on classic mode taught me to use different attachments than I usually do for example

[@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514]

No. The problem is you're being told exactly how to play, you're told, literally, that the way you like to play "isn't fun"..... Martin literally said that. Not everyone is cool with that. I'm sick of seeing people say "you just don't wanna learn, that's why it's not enjoyable for you"..... Stfu

[@dough7726]

@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 well if you wanna not dash and just use the super shotgun go ahead play the game like 2016 I don't think you will have much fun

[@Sprite897]

@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 " The problem is you're being told exactly how to play" this is how most games work, games have rules, being told exactly how to play is only a problem in open world games

[@colin3ds1]

@@a_fuckin_spacemarine7514 you're given a set of tools and it is up to you to utilize them to the best of your abilities The game gives you a lot of info Tells you weak points And gives you brief tutorials Its up to you to best utilize these things in combat You can actually ignore certain things but you make the game a bit harder on yourself The fun of the game is using all the tools the game provided you. In a game with more than one weapon Why shouldn't you be using more than one weapon

[@damienmcneff7715]

Demons not taking damage from fire actually makes sense. Why would something that comes from the hottest, lava covered, hellish world of hell be able to be burned? THINK KZbinR, THINK!!

[@Mountainlion118]

Pretty sure that's the Point why is a flame thrower even a weapon?

[@damienmcneff7715]

It causes them to leak argent energy due to excess heat, which is used to heal armor

[@Mountainlion118]

@@abdull4h_m572 that's the gameplay mechinc not the explanation

[@DerrickL23]

@@Mountainlion118 The comment right above you explains it outside the gameplay mechanic tho

[@Mountainlion118]

@@DerrickL23 why is fire makeing them leak argent energy?

[@benryhutler]

you can turn empowered demons off

[@Mystic_Yopi]

@Brick King it turns me on🥴

[@averagegamer954]

I do that because I hate the empowered demons

[@bigmanliam]

@@averagegamer954 But do the empowered demons do that because they hate you?

[@averagegamer954]

@@bigmanliam no lol the empowered demons in my opinion are so annoying connor in the other hand complaining about empowered demons you can turn them off in settings

[@imnothereforthefood7832]

I will say this: the doom 2016 classic levels were insanely cool

[@Serge_12345]

"Weapon upgrades and suit upgrades should've been one system and use the same currency." Bruh 2016 does the same thing. LMAO

[@ryszakowy]

translation from noob to normal - "i can't be bothered to put effor into upgrades i want all of them and i want them now"

[@Maximus20778]

@@ryszakowy my guy won't last in a far cry game

[@ShadeAnris]

I guess if you refuse to engage with the new mechanics and you play like a granola bar you could think 2016 is faster

[@12halo3]

It feels faster because I dont have chainsaw some Mook ever micro second.

[@saswag2004]

@@12halo3 yeah of course. Lmao. Git gud

[@L_Lawliet1907]

@@12halo3 You have to conserve your ammo as much as you can, chainsaw also gives you invincibility frames, it protects you and doesn't slow you down.

[@L_Lawliet1907]

@@saswag2004 Elitists like you are what drives people away from this game, shut the fuck up

[@ceoofgex7552]

@@saswag2004 not funny, didn’t laugh.

[@Hyperio606]

this video is: how to not learn from your mistakes.

[@freddoomer3515]

Hey gayhypo

[@Hyperio606]

@@freddoomer3515 yea what?

[@freddoomer3515]

@@Hyperio606 never going to give you up

[@Hyperio606]

@@freddoomer3515 i will give you up.

[@freddoomer3515]

@@Hyperio606 HERETIC

[@cringyperson9670]

I don't agree with all your points, and I should probably reserve full judgment for when I complete the game, but I, too, thought 2016 was more fun. The whole thing that makes the Slayer so cool is that he doesn't care how he does it, he'll fuck you up and you're gonna have a bad time. 2016 really gave me that feeling. Like, "Look, you can spawn 4 Barons and 16 Mancubi at the same time, but they're all trapped in here with me. I might get fucked up, but they'll be dead." With Eternal, even on the first level, it felt like I was expected to solve a puzzle with every single enemy I encountered, and juggle them all at the same time.

[@Spec_tisum]

Based

[@tomkapa]

If weak points and parkour is puzzles then you must be sped.

[@Marceilus]

It felt like ID tried really hard to make DOOM in itself be gritty and horrorish. With DOOM 3 they went over board. Then DOOM 2016 kept the grittiness but brought back the classic gameplay.

[@gm08351]

took me 3 minutes before I realized this video was trash

[@dfghj241]

it really didn't brought back the classic gameplay though did it? have you played the originals? i don't know. i bought doom 2016, finished it. then after, i bought doom 1, and i fucking loved it. i thought it was tremendous. bought doom 2, finished it, all on ultraviolence, thought it was a bit worst than doom ( i'm talking about ultimate doom). i feel like Doom perfected the kind of game that doom is, and every game after it seemed to have strayed away into a weird, new territory that doesn't seem to capture that magic. Doom 1 was all about level design. few enemy types, fewerweapon types, but man the levels are addictive to power through, each weapon is very specific in its usage, and the enemies are their own variety of annoying. i like doom 2's addition but yea doom 2016 i completely forgot about at this point, not even thinking about it anymore, its gone from my head.

[@thedice5394]

DOOM eternal made everything faster and twice as fun

[@mikoolo1698]

@@thedice5394 And 10 times more complicated with the restrictive amount of ammo and forcing you to become a circus artist and start juggling weapons because they wanted a rock paper scissor way to deal with each demon among a huge group and thus forcing you to jump around like an acrobat. Instead for just being the badass doom slayer that we were in Doom 2016 and could use the SSG for everything.

[@thedice5394]

@@mikoolo1698 Dude, if you don't like complicated stuff, just go play Call of Duty.

[@chiefswiggum]

I love doom 2016 more for it's realism, violence/seriousness, and realistic maps like you are actually going through a facility. It was only in the hell parts that started feeling like an arena. I love doom eternal though for it's fast-paced, high mobility, badass arsenal, epic powers, and demons. (ngl I liked the doom 2016 baren of hell for it's classic look), though felt more silly/comical. Both of them have their badass assets, but I feel like if the next doom game is DOOM's realism and seriousness, and DOOM Eternal's arsenal, mobility, demons, and story, I would shit myself in fanboyness. (ID if you see this, please make a cooler way to find weapons again though lol)

[@Velvidae]

I agree, it’d be fucking sick to see both elements of DOOM 2016 and Eternal in the next DOOM game. Now, I love both games but I prefer Eternal because, in my opinion, it has a much wider variety of gameplay.

[@ploopower89]

Just watching you play is painful. To think a new game expected you to out grow your old playing techniques and learn new ones? The audacity!

[@ragnarlothbrok367]

Watching your arguments is painful too.

[@feddy7962]

@@ragnarlothbrok367 just like you

[@partygoer1856]

I completely agree with you they should not have used 2016 movement they Didn't even talk about the crucible

[@mrdreamy1747]

@@ragnarlothbrok367 It... It was a joke. Now, there are (most-likely) 2 routes you will take with this: 1, tell me to shut up since you knew it was a joke, or 2... tell me to shut up. and then I would get into an un-needed argument, or just say "huh", "ok", "rude", or ignore the reply. I may not reply at all.

[@dinosaurbros8908]

@@ragnarlothbrok367 you've have audacity to critique someone who is in the right bruh .

[@religionfueledwarmachine1687]

"We didn't want to make the same game twice." -Hugo Martin

[@elizabethmartin3831]

As much as I respect you're opinion, this is why almost everyone in the Doom community has no respect for you. If you're going to criticize a game, then don't just compare it to the game that you like more. You're bias is completely blatant and that's a problem. On top of that, not to say get gud or anything, but if you didn't play the game as if it was Doom 2016, I'm sure you'd have significantly more fun. One criticizer of bad Doom Eternal reviews like this one put it best: "In Doom 2016, you're dream of slaying with no problem and mercy was given to you. In Doom Eternal you have to earn it." Tbh if that last phrase doesn't sit well with you, then you probably aren't really well suited for Doom games. You don't deserve the cruel hatred, but come on dude. All we learned from this video is that you don't have good memory, don't understand game mechanics and concepts, and are a huge Doom 2016 fanboy with no filter. Sorry dude, but please get better at criticism.

[@Gusenichka925]

Its like pokemon fans, old good new bad.

[@ItsRllyEndeR]

But … it’s the next game after 2016… can you blame someone for going in with the same mindset they had for the previous game if it’s their first playthrough of eternal? Everything else made sense, but this one thing was confusing

[@julymagnus493]

Doom 2016 is much more of a Doom game then Eternal is. If someone didn't like 2016 then they probably wouldn't like 93, or 2. If someone didn't like Doom Eternal I would say that's fine since its not emblematic of the Doom franchise. Its a lot like Doom 3 in that regard.

[@siaratan9982]

I haven't played 2016, nor Eternal, but as someone who's been around the gaming industry for a while, most of those points really don't make any sense. And what you do isn't poking a hornet's nest, it's just claiming a point but having unrelated arguments to support it.

[@Mountainlion118]

What? I played both games and like them but i too share some of these criticisms.

[@dollasign0922]

Yeah, so true. Even not gamers can tell eternal is much better

[@Omer698]

"I haven't played 2016, nor Eternal" I stopped reading right there

[@siaratan9982]

@@TheCybercoco well the point was less of comparing and more of “why eternal being different than 2016 is bad”. It’s just criticizing a game being different than other. If we actually took those claims and made eternal then it would be the same game as 2016. They brought change, that I have listened to multiple people talking about them and thought about myself, is healthier for the game. Sure, it is completely okay to not like these, but the sole reason to that can’t be because they are different then the game before.

[@ppmghee211]

@@Omer698 ohhhhh so thats why your name is jack the skipper lol just kidding 😂

[@Joebidensspunk]

So basically what you’re saying is you don’t learn from your mistakes and only use one weapon

[@phantomhd7889]

Connor: Marauder is immune to weapons like the BFG! Markiplier: *one shots Marauder with BFG*

[@tylerrobinson1854]

Boy you a damn lie. Google it. Maurauder is a immune. Think before you speak

[@lordcurze]

To enjoy doom eternal, you have to learn it.

[@yokiryuchan7655]

Some of us have lives and responsibilities that are more important than learning to get good at a video game. I am in my 30s with a full time job and a family and limited free time. I do not have the time or energy for that kind of aggravation anymore. If I am not enjoying a game I am going to stop playing it. and move on to something else which is what I did with Doom Eternal.

[@lordcurze]

@@yokiryuchan7655 focus on you bro dont play if you want to

[@kaydox6437]

I have learned eternal and I love it, but I still like 2016 more tbh. I just don't think the "wait for the green eyes to shoot" is my thing, I don't think it's bad. Just not for me

[@unnamed9934]

@@thevoiddoctor7105 oh no, someone has a different opinion. I guess they're an idiot (I like doom eternal but you're being an asshole for no reason)

[@chronic5480]

@@yokiryuchan7655 Then go on with your lives and responsibilities. If you really can’t spare a few hours to get good at Doom Eternal. Then don’t you goon, no one is asking you too. If you’re not willing to put in anytime to get good at it, then don’t play it lmao.

[@Andysgal797]

10:57 when you struggle to walk through a door lmao

[@damiantorres5569]

It was bugged

[@imtoolazyforaprofilepic4961]

What? Someone with a different opinion and perspective than mine? Impossible.

[@nepsipepsi7985]

their mad because of the shit evidence and support he has

[@swaggerdagger8976]

@@nepsipepsi7985 Who is they ? It's been a couple hours and I've just seen criticism

[@pollo4070]

@@swaggerdagger8976 the connor paradox

[@lordjzargo7940]

So many angry people

[@nileshghadipatil5840]

Only if the criticism was valid I'd agree to it but this guy straight up talking some dumb shit that makes no sense. This review is like flat earth's explaining why earth is flat. "JUsT aN oPiNiO" that totally defy facts

[@kingofthekaiju3416]

I think the only thing I prefer in 2016 to eternal is the art style, but even then, I enjoy a lot of what eternal brings to the table Only gripe is that everything glows and breaks any immersion I have in the game, I'd rather pull the super shotty off of a dead soldier than find it glowing and spinning in the middle of a level, yk?

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

Because the game know that you are going really fast so that’s why most items are glowing alot

[@KhangNguyen-um4rg]

@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo they could have just given them a simple faint white glow outline and put the weapons in no mortally challenged areas to play the pick up animation to act as a brief break before fights though

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@KhangNguyen-um4rg You don’t seem to understand you have to move constantly to make sure you invade enemies attacks if you really want to be good at the game, The game is like a race car race were you constantly need to go faster.

[@KhangNguyen-um4rg]

@@Blue-Apple-fc9eo who cares about ammo? You’d pick them up anyway so faint white glow works fine. Besides, the removal of weapon pickup animation is one of the worst thing they could do. Sometimes I go balls deep into the level without realizing I have that weapon because there was no animation for it and picking weapons is 100x better as a buffer moment than parkours and puzzles

[@Blue-Apple-fc9eo]

@@KhangNguyen-um4rg The reason why they remove the weapon pickup is because it’s unnecessary when you see it an thousand times and having parkours and puzzles in doom eternal in my opinion the best thing they can do if you think that’s a bad thing would you rather walk aimlessly in halls for minutes on end or actually use your brain and learn how to solve puzzles and test your platforming skills to get better at the game.

[@surreptitious03]

Haha "The new enemy the Archvile is like the summoner"

[@unrealert]

Goes on to say what Doom 'should be'.

[@davetheduck6801]

@@unrealert Doom should just be Doom a fast action, challenging but fair game

[@unrealert]

@@davetheduck6801 Agreed, I'd say id has nailed it with both of the recent games in this regard.

[@funniestmanonearth.9857]

Its funny but sadly true. They havent touched a classic doom game

[@COrraThereal0ne]

It is, the archvile is pretty much the summoner but worse

[@Sibogy]

The chainsaw is not "literally" the same as the crucible.

[@Tobigood]

No, not literally, but very similar. The Crucible could've easily just been an upgraded Chainsaw if it granted ammo and recharged over time. In fact, I'd prefer if it did because I can't imagine being able to use it more being a bad thing.

[@necrosteel5013]

@@Tobigood that would be really bad as you can just wait to get a free big enemy kill.i would rather suggest it works like the gmota mod for the original two doom games. Heavy damage that grants ammo only if the blow kills the enemy.

[@Tobigood]

@@necrosteel5013 That’s one way to balance it. You could also go the other way and use it as an excuse to spawn more higher-tier enemies in the later levels to bait out extra charges. Honestly, I’m also kinda peeved that there isn’t a dedicated melee option. I want to be able to rip and tear through zombies without having to swap to my rifle and delicately dome them between beat downs.

[@SarahSchlongfeel]

@@Tobigood then play Doom 2016 lol. Forcing you to use guns is the whole point with Doom Eternal's mechanics. If it didn't force you to use guns, you wouldn't have to think about ammo, which completely destroys the whole chainsaw mechanic and weapon swap mechanics. That's what makes Eternal so much more engaging. Also, blood punch is a fantastic tool that has massive potential in the falter and weakpoint mechanics, and it's balanced out by having to recharge it with glory kills, health, and armor pickups. If you just take time to learn the game's mechanics, you'll have a great time with it.

[@Unlimitedbreadstick]

@@SarahSchlongfeel that's the whole point the original video is making tho, why do we have to do all of these mechanics? It's an RPG skill based system thrown into Doom... Like why ?

[@ohno5507]

The main problem I have with your review is that you make it sound so objective. I think the issue you're having isn't that the mechanics of Eternal aren't thought out and don't mesh together, but rather they just don't mesh with your preferred way of playing. Listening to the game director in interviews clearly shows how much thought went into the mechanics, and it speaks in the encounter design. Lots of people, including myself, find these mechanics compelling, and an evolution of the FPS genre. This game is nutty at high level play, and the mechanics are meant to push you to play at that level. It's incredibly fun and engaging because of how many decisions you have to make, and seeing the right decisions pay off is satisfying. It may not be your preference, but there's nothing wrong with a game being complex and expecting you to master its complexity, especially if it's fun. It just seems so wrong to dismiss the mechanics, and all the work that went into tuning them, as unfocused and not thought out, when they clearly are. It just feels like you're stating your preference in playstyle as objective fact, instead of recognizing that it just doesn't resonate with you.

[@lukeeatschips6324]

1) There was no need to cut the ammo count in half. Then introducing the chainsaw not as a fun tool, but as an annoying necessity. Just giving enemies weakspots would have been enough to encourage weapon switching. 5) I will never forgive the devs for what they did with DEternal. I expected a sequel to Doom 2016. I got baited into wasting my money on sheer frustration and the only joy I got was from collectibles. Not like I can refund the game when the campaign is supposed to be 14 hours. 6) Every fight was just annoying. I never thought "hell yes". I always thought "just die already" "stop biting me" "WILL YOU GIVE ME A SECOND TO BREATHE" "CAN YOU STOP EXISTING MARAUDER, YOU ARE A MINI BOSS" "Why the hell is there a totem now" "Great, another Arch-vile" "Why do you ghosts exist, who thought you were a good idea?!?!". Dark Souls 1 (I've not player 2 and 3 yet) always made me think "I'll get you this time" The devs had Doom 2016 and the Souls series to learn from on how to not make enemies frustrating and they fuck up because they wanted to make cool stuff instead of making a good product.

[@ohno5507]

@@lukeeatschips6324 Sounds like pure skill issue.

[@Spec_tisum]

​@@lukeeatschips6324based

[@galenmarek4582]

@@lukeeatschips6324 bro you’re literally just bad

[@Drax658]

For me the Doom 2016 was better in one thing: for me it was closer to the original Doom. We were locked on Mars, it was less colorful and arcade also the Slayer was... more human and the cinematic trailer for 2016 was just awesome. Either way I love both 2016 and Eternal, id Software really showed how to make and awesome old school shooter without millions of microtrasactions.

[@bates631]

Actually Doom 2016 looks nothing like the classic games and looks more like Doom 3. Eternal visually looks more the classic games.

[@enraikow6109]

doom 2016 literally has reloads, how is that more like original doom?

[@toooydoeur]

Eternal is literally classic doom, what are you on

[@toooydoeur]

@Liam Laffin I've played them all and yes it is

[@CyoteBongWater87]

@@enraikow6109 "2016 literally has reloads". No the fuck it doesn't?

[@vay2654]

I mean i don’t know if you knew this but you can press Left Shift to use an any-direction Dash in Doom Eternal.

[@Styxz__]

LMAOOO

[@ravioli4601]

F

[@dbkwk9]

the funniest thing is that they use it at 5:29. Outside of combat...

[@reiskit8980]

There is so much wrong with this review 1 buff totems and archvilles are different because can fight and one can't and the archville is one of the few super heavies which makes it a tough enemy making a sort of upgrade to the buff totem 2 the chainsaw is meant to be a break to check your abilities and for ammo restock the crucible is meant for taking down big enemys they are similar but shouldn't share the same ammo 3 you can use the meat hook to move around the map quickly idk how you played the game twice without noticing 4 there aren't an insane amount of currency and the crystals aren't even a currency you use them on the spot and the mastery tokens aren't introduced till the last 3rd of the game. 5 empowered demons can be turned off 6 the marauder gets easier the more you play and master the systems of the game you can't just fire the minigun into his shield and hope you hit him when he's vulnerable. 7 how did you get lost in eternal did you even look at the map

[@nucleus691]

The main problem with this review or game I guess is that its a game for doom fans and people that want to master the game. At first I hated the marauder. Then I learned about quickswitching, falters and frag grenade use while doing all of this and now hes a very fun enemy? Flame thrower or ice bomb is for when you have low health? Fuck no! Flame 3 or 4 enemies, kill all and then spam the blood punch with the armor for blood upgrade! The more you think about how to master the game and use all the mechanics, the more fun it is.

[@henryfleischer404]

My problem with the marauder is his visual cues. He runs around clearly not protecting himself, but can raise his shield in the time it takes a hitscan projectile to hit him. It's bizarre. It feels less like I'm fighting a skilled opponent, and more like I'm fighting an overconfident person with god mode who keeps turning it off.

[@nucleus691]

@@henryfleischer404 The marauders real issue is the god awful tutorial. 1 simple trick will make him so much easier to fight: STAY FAR AWAY FROM HIM! He will then use his ranged attack once and then he will always go for a melee attack every time. This makes him so much easier and fun

[@smink5332]

what do you mean dude? he just missed the fucking power of supermans flight at the end of his super shotgun no biggy

[@smink5332]

@@henryfleischer404 he cant lift his shield as fast as a hitscan shot, hitscan is instant

[@brucebarkerkodiak]

This dude just said doom 2016 was faster than doom eternal what has this guy been smoking

[@Xplainn93]

Argent Energy is a hell of a drug

[@Sleepy241]

@@Shieftain We don't mean the speed of the doom slayer, you have to manage your dashes, you have to manage your double jumps and be fast enough to dodge enemies attacks, look at the speed of the demons in 2016 vs eternal, and you will see how eternal is "Faster" and also, doom eternal, also it is generally a harder game, instead of on the ground fighting as in doom 2016, eternal is more of a 3d chessboard where you need to master to finally understand the madness. 2016 is more of a straightforward game, getting bored, while doom enteral you can replay over and over and fight differently and choose how you wanna rip and tear.

[@brucebarkerkodiak]

Doom’s about 3 things, badass demons, big fucking guns, and running real fast, which that last one is a lie because you’re running super slow in both 2016 and Eternal unless u hav a speed power up which is rare so I guess iD has been overdosing on agent energy

[@catbugtf]

i am very late to this party it was real shame to see people disrespecting you by using the wrong pronouns, thats just a dick move and is not productive in any way but takes like this are just not it the marauder segment in particular was painful to watch the whole time i was just going "come on please just stop mindlessly firing at the shield and at least try to bait out the attack" followed by "no, dont use the autoshotgun, use the ssg and ballista they stun the marauder when theyre vulnerable" the worst part was when you outright said the ssg is the best weapon vs the marauder like you were so close to figuring it out, its like watching your child get addicted to crack again after kicking the habit the year prior

[@E3kHatena]

Let me begin by saying that the video is edited really well and your commentary is superb, glad you're still making videos, Connor. This is a bit of a long comment, just a heads up: This was an interesting watch as someone who feels Eternal much better than '16 and considers it up there with Ultimate Doom as a high point for the series. I feel the pistol in '16 was really cool (probably my favorite iteration of the weapon) but the chainsaw in both games were used in very similar manners: they both dispatch a single target and give you a handful of ammo. The Crucible and chainsaw, I would argue, have different roles for that reason; the Crucible is your "get out of fights" button, there's one use per demon (whether it's an imp or a Tyrant) versus the enemies using differing amounts of chainsaw fuel. They could be welded together, for sure, they don't necessarily need to be separate tools. The chainsaw becomes a downbeat in combat in Etnernal, with you whipping it out to bust a fodder demon in half to keep fighting for a little while longer, and I mostly just use the Crucible to bust down Tyrants in the late game. Totally forgot the ice bomb existed, though. The fragmented systems were actually one of the issues I had with Doom 2016 but not in Eternal: runes and suit upgrades were too similar in 2016 with things like better air control and pickup range being demonic in origin for some reason, whereas Eternal's upgrades felt more separate: runes affected your combat performance and the suit upgrades alter your weapon or suit performance. It felt more cohesive, though in both games there are just far too many tokens to swap around and exchange. I think if they shuffled around what's a rune and what's an upgrade in '16, I probably would have liked the systems more, they just felt like the same thing twice in that game whereas Eternal gives them unique identities. I think ultimately what it comes down to, Eternal is more akin to a fighting game than a regular FPS: the player has to get good at its combos to proceed through the game skillfully. The Marauder and the DLC are pretty prime examples of what I'm talking about; it seems clear that the intended way to defeat the Marauder is through a combination of the SSG and Ballista with rockets and grenades supplementing those weapons, with the player able to take him down during the Marauder's first counterattack if they can skillfully switch between their tools via the hotkeys while also circling around the big guy at the same time. The DLC is way harder than the base game and requires using your tools in much the same manner, prepping combo after combo and circling around the arena to keep enemies off of you. With that in mind, it makes the game way less gamepad-friendly and also possibly just more difficult for less experienced players to get into. I will say though that Eternal is exhausting. I meant to get all of the achievements in The Ancient Gods but beating it just once was just a whole lot of effort, so I stopped playing it halfway through the first level on my second playthrough. I still play a handful of levels from the base game time to time and am doing my third playthrough, this time on Nightmare, when I get the time, but it's just a whole lot of mental energy to get back into the Eternal headspace of quickly scanning the environment, using tools at the right time and place, and keeping distance between enemies and me and finding openings. Part of me wonders if I'd like Doom 2016 more if I went back to it after Eternal, but it's still my 3rd favorite Doom game after playing through those awful Earth levels in Doom II so I don't think a third playthrough of '16 would change much for me. While I disagree with your ultimate assessment and feel a number of these points can be stuck to 2016 without much alteration, I definitely feel your final point. The Ultimate Doom is my favorite *because* it does one thing, but does it so well, and I can understand how people can feel that about 2016. It's a very easy to understand game and getting into its rhythm isn't difficult, it's just really frickin' good. If Hugo Martin and his team are content with going down the more rhythm-ish hardcore route with Doom, hope it gets supplanted with some more lightweight classic-style games, too. Hope you've been doing well and staying safe, Connor, and thank you for sticking around and making these sorts of videos.

[@noobguy9973]

I doubt its gonna go back Hugo Martin himself said that ID software don't make the same game twice and that they are always trying to make something slightly different

[@PeppaPig-yy4dc]

Dear god am not reading that

[@ahmadmohit4428]

With no disrespect, you're just playing the game incorrectly dude. Maybe watch some videos of what clean eternal gameplay looks like, there is a purpose for everything in this game. The game director is streaming gameplay every Thursday explaining how the game is supposed to be engaging. Many youtubers like Under the Mayo have made countless videos on these topics and shut down people that come up with these common issues (not enough ammo, Marauder too hard). Did you even try to do what the game is telling you to do before completely roasting it? Regarding mixing systems together, like chainsaw and crucible? Dude there is a story point behind the crucible, and it's your get out of jail free card like the chainsaw was in 2016. Is it that hard to press an extra button to access it? Or the weapon system.... can I please interject and say that LITERALLY everything apart from mastery tokens was in 2016. Weapon mods? Weapon points you get by completing combat? Argent cells (Crystals in eternal)? Runes? Praetor points? The LITERAL same system. This game has no rune mastery but it's added weapon mastery tokens, and sentinal batteries for unlocking more stuff. Not hard to keep track of if you can see with your eyes and count. Mixing them into the same system? Well 2016 didn't do that and you loved it aye? Also what is this stupid shit like "frozen and being on fire" complaint? That just sounds like a baby whinging. The game does not have to conform to that level of realism, it's a fucking sci-fi game anyway. Or bugs and glitches? Sure it has a few, but to say it is full of them? Compared to other games being released these days, its extremely polished and clean.

[@gigastangli2460]

100% agree

[@heatyeet6538]

17:46 then don't glory kill...?

[@mr.bruhbruh9203]

it give more health and armor too if you have the rune

[@heatyeet6538]

@@mr.bruhbruh9203 yeah, but glory kill was not meant to be mandatory

[@mr.bruhbruh9203]

@@heatyeet6538 im not saying it is mandatory im just saying it makes things easier

[@mr.bruhbruh9203]

@@404_my_life so ur saying u have full hp almost all the time

[@Apathy474]

@@mr.bruhbruh9203 not really, you can just use the blood punch health rune and ice bombs to get health, glory killing is only super beneficial if you have runes that give you buffs for doing it like the blood fueled where you move faster

[@MC-bh8ph]

Doom 2016 is infinitely better than doom eternal because it doesnt make you sign up for a Bethesda account

[@LineaTremolante]

never used a bethesda account for doom eternal

[@curryMan221]

*Get Good* - Sun Tzu

[@young_mikey3097]

Facts

[@unnamed9934]

@@jeremy.90210 no, you're on the internet. opinions are not allowed

[@jeremy.90210]

@@supasaiya-jinvegeta9782 why should I say that,I was literally saying opinions exist

[@mshark8246]

Don’t spam the supper shotgun-Neil degrass Tyson

[@warbossbonesmasha3751]

@@jeremy.90210 Every time someone mentions freedom to opinion there has to be an obligatory “yes opinions do exist and you can have yours however others will critique your opinion no one is censoring you freedom to speech includes freedom to critique of said speech” god that was a mouthful

[@muxx.q6532]

Funny how I just got off of Doom 2016 and thought to myself how many things I disliked about it compared to Eternal and I get this video recommended lol

[@mental_breakdance7227]

I know right? As much as I love Doom 2016, I was serverly dissapointed by all of the things it didn't have compared to Doom Eternal, I made the mistake of playing the better game first lol.

[@juanordonezgalban2278]

10:10 every single one of those mechanics was brought back from 2016 except for like mastery tokens, and you are complaining about them while saying 2016 was better. And I think unifying all of them into a currency would have been extremely detrimental to the game. It would absolutely ruin exploration.

[@Nega-Tim]

I do absolutely love that hypocrisy, being that it's a nearly identical system from 2016. Like fucks sake if you're gonna be hypocritical at least be consistent

[@wjveryzer7985]

doom 2016, that first hell night, each boss, I was legit scared. I couldnt dash away quickly. Totally prefer 2016 to eternal. Finding weapons was SO much more rewarding also.

[@mr.breadman4181]

Yet when you find the gauss cannon and super shotgun you're set for the game while eternal you can't just use two weapons

[@BIOHAZARDES.GamingMiles]

Exactly

[@kevinuploadingwhatever]

Literally everything that Doom Eternal Improved on this guy just shits on it. They add a good and interesting story and lore, Story bad , makes more than 2 weapons viable, *too complex*, adds platforming and open areas, *i prefer the braindead loop of walking forward and having 200 demons spawn out of the middle of nowhere*, adds complex boss fights, *rip and tear, no think*, includes many unique upgrades that don't require you to spend 20 hours searching for them or go through a youtube tutorial to find, *too many options, forage for berries*, emphasizes the use of glory kills and the chainsaw to keep you in the fight and rewarding riskier behavior instead of running away to find more ammo and health, *too much ammo, glory kill bad*, adds more abilities to always keep combat refreshing, *too complex* I can't think of a single thing i prefer about Doom 2016. It's too slow, both in progression, and combat in general, makes super shotgun basically all you need expect for rare occasions and it feels like a combat loop by the 3rd level

[@walterhartwellwhite5655]

Agreed, and with the "combine runes with crystals and shit" its just nonsense, I would get confused and i would probably start playing something else like 2016 or something.

[@ThunderGhost93]

@@walterhartwellwhite5655 doom is made to fkn rip and tear demons not cry about whats wrong with it....

[@ThunderGhost93]

it literally tells you to take it or leave it...

[@justinh3421]

Exactly. DOOM Eternal completely surpassed 2016 in basically every way. The only thing I dislike is how unbelievably weak punching is.

[@pacivalmuller9333]

Bruh Eternal SUCKS, no punch damage, cartoony art style (which isn’t that bad I just don’t like it), you are forced to use some weapons on certain enemies, too much stuff to play around (especially in the beginning), worse enemy design (for me).

[@AintPopular]

In 2016 u keep searching enemies. in eternal enemies comes to you which is waaay more fun

[@chadjacket]

And eternal is balanced

[@karimsalameh5797]

@@chadjacket quick switching is more effective, better soundtracks (IN MY OPINION), better pacing, and also the cutscenes are clean... also the chainsaw is cooler, and did I forget to mention? marauders are the coolest enemies ever.

[@chadjacket]

In did

[@hellknight3906]

@@karimsalameh5797 fr

[@12halo3]

I want to be the hunter not the hunted.

[@Apathy474]

7:03 this literally makes no sense. The point of the chainsaw is primarily to be used against small fodder enemies specifically for ammo, the crucible gives no ammo and isn't mean to, it's meant for a panic button or to be saved for challenging enemies like arhcviles, cyberdemons, etc. The reason why you have to use the chainsaw for ammo is because it keeps you constantly engaged, it makes you switch weapons so you can't rely on one weapon, and are you telling me you'd rather just have a massive ammo pool and you just find ammo on the ground? The only complaint i would have about the chainsaw is the amount of animations and how they're not as gory as 2016.

[@FalloutMan493]

This is not a DLC for Doom 2016. Its a new game. You openly demonstrated your refusal to learn and implement new strategies with the mechanics and this nullifies your entire argument. You don't like the level designs because they're larger and vastly more complex than Doom 2016. You don't like the UI because they used more menu space to add extra abilities. You complained about overlapping weapons because of the different ammo types for the chainsaw and sword, despite them having two completely different purposes. Your point about empowered enemies can be debunked with a single gameplay setting that was available on release. You didn't demonstrate any quality evidence to why these points are actually indicative of bad or inferior design compared to Doom 2016. You only proved that you intentionally played the game poorly and wrote a misinformed review about it.

[@cemsoysullu2240]

Bro, the guy just likes simpler gameplay. These aren't arguments, they're just opinions. No need to treat this like a court trial. If you care about it so much, why don't you just make your own video on how much you like Eternal better than 16.

[@FalloutMan493]

​@@cemsoysullu2240 The video made claims. I argued against those claims. Simple as that. This individual is using objective terminology to describe a subjective experience without evidence outside of anecdote. This is fair game for me to argue against.

[@CorwinMaximus]

@@FalloutMan493 All I'm gonna say is that the title of the video is "Why I Think..."...if that's not subjective you should file a petition to change the English language. Get off your high horse.

[@FalloutMan493]

@@CorwinMaximus This is a public platform, I'm allowed to comment why I think they're wrong.

[@FaultyStar274]

​@@FalloutMan493bro chill these lil kids don't need the smoke so early😭

[@fireman9068]

Well I LOVED the realistic graphics of DOOM 2016. But in overall, I think Eternal is a better game

[@flow185]

@the golden doomslayer thats why i love some roblox bad buisness . The graphics are basics but the gameplay is so fucking fun

[@flow185]

@the golden doomslayer i love roblox but these scummy buisness practices are something to be against

[@CaptainAmercia]

I like the atmosphere of Doom 2026 but prefer the architectural designs and worlds of Doom Eternal my dream sequel would be these two combined. 2016 had a great atmosphere but a generic military base setting which lacked the personality of the original retro old is new 1980s artistic but of course made it for it by having an amazing atmosphere. Doom Eternal on the other hand had far more unique settings with their own styles of architecture from Gothic futuristic to H.R. Giger but with Angels lol

[@aagh8714]

@the golden doomslayer well atmosphere is a part of a game, you can fix it in the settings but watching rainbow coloured candy fly out of enemies takes me out of gameplay a bit

[@aagh8714]

@the golden doomslayer no its ugly as hell in 2016 too, i think the ammo should just appear straight in your stock with no visual

[@jundsheep7599]

I’m just imagining that this comment section will become what Upper Echelon’s Doom Eternal review comment section was and currently is.

[@shawklan27]

"GiT gUd"

[@49mozzer]

@@shawklan27 I hate using that phase but in this case it actually applies. Even Civve admits he had to get good.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

Nah Upper Echelon's review was him not adapting to eternal at all and him being mad because the game doesn't want him to shut his brain off. Connor's video is more just his opinions, so this video is fine.

[@49mozzer]

@@PretentiousAdonis An also refusing to figure out how all the mechanics work.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

@@49mozzer The entire review was just "This game is bad because I can't be bothered to try harder than not at all". It's understandable to have an opinion like that but when reviewing something you need to at least try to understand it.

[@RichardNixon979]

You cant say that the marauder is impossible when you walk right into it 😑

[@gavinrobinson8925]

He didn't though scarecrow

[@mr.breadman4181]

​@@gavinrobinson8925 12:28 I don't know it looked like he walked face first into the guy after he summoned the dog

[@TaxEvaser578]

You can destroy the marauder in literally seconds if you know how, thats why the author of the video needs just to get fucking good

[@tylerrobinson1854]

@TaxEvaser578literally shut up

[@tylerrobinson1854]

@TaxEvaser578people have real lives, relationships and responsibilities. Getting good, especially at eternal requires time; time a casual person who just wants to feel like a badass in a doom game doesn’t have

[@genericsavings]

This game is about evolving 2016’s gameplay. What I liked about 2016 is it’s power trip fantasy. You are the ultimate badass. Eternal is about earning that “badassery”. Once I found out you can Super shotgun/remote detonate/gauss cannon(2016), my gameplay got predictable. I stopped using every other weapon. Eternal makes you find new uses, think about new strats and tries to make you a better FPS player. If you’re up to it. It’s not too different from a fighting game. You have to play this game with the right mindset. Otherwise, you’re gonna have an awful time.

[@gordonbengtsson2688]

Well said

[@arronsoup4446]

I got really bored of doom 2016 because after awhile it just feels like shooting enemy’s until they glow and then pressing the glory kill button

[@robertgagnon4771]

Never in my life have I heard someone complain about a game having too many features 😂

[@denisn8336]

@ashy your not a game dev you don't make games and your not a pro doom player

[@59wulf]

@ashy thats just you bud. eternal has its own energy that is beyond 2016

[@BiggieCheeto]

@ashy ??? The "arcadey" feeling is doom eternals charm. If that isn't for you I get that, but to say it lacks charm is just wrong. 2016 had a bit of a horror game vibe to it and it worked pretty well. They just decided to go for the original game's vibes.

[@pancakes2726]

Your comment reached "69" likes... Noice

[@denisn8336]

@ashy my point still stands saying a talented dev like Id don't know how to design is laughable you know nothing just saying

[@Qui-GonJinn1234]

It’s so funny to me that Doom Eternal’s biggest haters usually don’t have a clue what they’re talking about

[@CharlZEdits]

6 minutes in and I don't even know if he is serious about it anymore

[@5055672439]

My take on it is this. I had fun with Doom Eternal, it was a good video-game. I prefer 2016. I feel like Eternal was a big step down in terms of the gritty atmosphere as it felt much more cartoony. I was also not a fan of how the game forced me into the play style of always using and balancing the cool downs of all of the new jumpy get in demons faces ability’s (especially with the exact same animations over and over again). I also think the plot line going into the history of the doom slayers does a disservice to doom guy. He shouldn’t be an interesting character, he is much more fun as careless faceless anger with no clear background that every player just inhabits. Doom 2016 left me genuinely interested in Samuel Hayden and Olivia Pierce, but Doom Eternal put them in the background like NPC pawns. TLDR, put me in a gritty atmospheric pool of blood and gore with a giant machine gun mowing down countless waves of demon enemies, new mechanics are fun, don’t force me to always be using them.

[@lostalx]

If you have any IQ above 90 you would understand but alas, the normies who bootlick this Eternal are having room temp IQ so you cannot understand so don't worry go and play that garbage. I had to install 20 mods to fix - Rainbow poop, AI Downgrade in TAG1 and TAG2, Trash FX of pops, looney tunes stars, HUD color mods, Demon mods and Tutorial removal etc etc. Absolute downgraded mess Eternal vs 2016. MUH Combat lol, I finished both on Nightmare the 2016 feels like you are a god and in Eternal you are a monkey spamming 24.7 with RNG cancer. Its not get good, it's garbage period. I pirated both thankfully. Hugo has his head up his rear, I wonder how The Dark Ages will fk up the franchise further into more wannabe fantasy RPGsque BS from a Sci-Fi shooter.

[@daniellamb8867]

@@lostalx skill issue

[@BIOHAZARDES.GamingMiles]

That’s the whole point of doom eternal it forces you to adapt it would be pretty boring if it was that easy

[@stephenveilleux4059]

How do the mechanics feel developed independent of each other when they’re heavily synergistic? Frozen enemies will drop health, and if if ignited, drop armor, which both in excess refill your blood punch, which then drops more health when used to keep the cycle going.

[@johnwest6083]

Over complicated. Not fun. I just want to play the game.

[@Tinfoil_Hardhat]

@@johnwest6083 Then don’t use some of those mechanics? You’re not required to, you can put the game on easy mode and just spam whatever you want

[@johnwest6083]

@@Tinfoil_Hardhat Reddit tier argument

[@Tinfoil_Hardhat]

@@johnwest6083 Bruh you're complaining about a specific combination of mechanics that you can play through the game on nightmare and still not ever use unless you actively want to. Therefore game bad.

[@johnwest6083]

@@Tinfoil_Hardhat Yeah, its not the players job to design the games mechanics

[@CatfishBradley]

So as a doom lover and content creator, I saw this video and just started skimming when I heard "Some mechanics are competing with each other in their intended purpose. The chainsaw and crucible could absolutely have been combined together into one weapon, one key. They serve the same purpose..." *HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA* Okay but seriously, there's NO WAY you're gamer/content creator that played through Doom Eternal on ANY difficulty, and you dont see fundamental differences between the chainsaw, its purpose and implementation opposed to the crucible just because they're both melee weapons. Bait?

[@mtf-alpha-1]

Bruh go get some help seriously please

[@shatterman6785]

"2016 chainsaw is a get out of fight free card" but you forgot that the crucible exist in doom eternal. *sigh* i guess im not sharing my estus with you

[@Mountainlion118]

The charges are so rare it's basically useless plus you only get it when the game's almost over

[@mathelgar]

@@Mountainlion118 But you can use it in any level and master levels

[@Mountainlion118]

@@mathelgar talking about the crucible.

[@Mountainlion118]

@@Playboifartier i didn't ask for 10000 ammo i asked for it to not be near the end of the game and give a littel more charges. The arena fights can drag on forver sometimes a recharge system like the soul cube would uave been nice. Plus the last mission dose give you 10000 ammo.

[@mathelgar]

@@Mountainlion118 I know

[@KneeCapHill]

they backtracked from what made doom 2016 a solid reboot for the series with a gritty and somewhat plausible sci fi plot and turned it into fucking D&D with arcade powerups and a whole lot of unnecessary story. The plot needs to be what you do in the present not disclosing all these things you have no part in

[@herobine4073]

Eternal is better than Doom 2016 in almost every way and I disagree with Connor completely. I wouldn't say that Doom 4 (Doom 2016, but I'm calling it 4 because it's fucking annoying to constantly call it "Doom 2016") is faster at all, the moment to moment combat isn't nearly as fast paced as Eternal's. I think you may be confusing "movement speed" and "speed of combat" with one another. "Speed of combat" is how often and how quickly you need to make decisions in combat, while "movement speed" is self explanatory. You may feel like Doom 4 is more fast paced because you may feel like the game's movement speed is higher (which is false tbh but for the sake of argument lets assume it's true), which is not all that determines the speed of combat. You are making MUCH more decisions in Doom Eternal and making them MUCH more frequently via dashes, monkey bars, meat hook, and a few others. Doom 4 only really has strafing and double jumping, both of which exist in Eternal as well. Doom 4's combat also grew stale around 2/3 of the way through because they ran out of tools to give you, while more times than not in Eternal when a new enemy shows up, they introduce a new weapon or option to counter the enemy. This is kept up for much longer throughout the game than Doom 4. Lastly, I don't think you're at all correct with saying Eternal has half baked ideas. And if Eternal truly DOES have half baked ones, Doom 4 has the same issue with less substance to distract from it. Doom Eternal is MUCH more fleshed out than 4, there's more movement options, more ways to deal with enemies, more viable weapon options other than Super Shotgun spam, and more varied enemy types that require different ways to deal with them. The experience is night and day with the two games. To quote DJ Peach Cobbler: Doom 4 is a mindless shooter, Doom Eternal is a mindFUL shooter. There's nothing wrong with wanting to turn your brain off, walk forward with the super shotgun and blow demons' brains out, but saying Eternal is WORSE than 2016 is not only false, but also asking for backlash. I have other things I disagreed with the video, but i don't want this comment to be any longer than it is. So to cap it off: it's fine that you liked Doom 4 more, but objectively Eternal is better in pretty much every way.

[@KneeCapHill]

@@herobine4073 the game systems are ALL improved uppon. But the overall tone of the game is cartoony compared yo 2016

[@deimos2278]

*Walks in.* *Sees L to DL ratio.* Aight. Buckling up.

[@markborkowski965]

What is the ratio? Can’t see it anymore because KZbin removed dislikes

[@gameer1010]

@@markborkowski965 Theres a chrome extension that lets you see dislikes again

[@taken1804]

6:59 ok so basically the chainsaw functions very different than it did in 2016. In 2016 the weapon was a lot more like the modern crucible, like you said a get out of jail free card. But because of the direction ID went with ammo in this game, the chainsaw in Eternal is about getting ammo from fodder enemies (Imps, Soldiers, ect.) so the reduced charge is about getting you to focus your insta-kills on enemies that wont do any real damage to you. The crucible in Eternal functions the same as the chainsaw in 2016, but just because ID calls both weapons a chainsaw it doesn't mean that they both have the same purpose in combat. Also if this comment has terrible grammar I suck at English so thanks.

[@radioactiverat8751]

Had you not have said that your english sucks I wouldn't have known it wasn't your first language. You write perfectly well as far as I can see.

[@aagh8714]

i wish they removed the ability to kill big demons with the chainsaw, i think it tricks players a bit, especially considering the function becomes useless when you get the crucible. plus you have the ugly fuel everywhere that you cant even use much

[@BaryonyxA239]

Bro literally complained for 20 minutes about how doom eternal is worse just because it’s too hard for them

[@SubTonic]

All I heard the entire time was nitpicking and not understanding game mechanics. Like I can understand why somebody would prefer 2016 over Eternal, but this video barely provides any good reasons for that. Meanwhile I watched another video less than half the length of this that perfectly explains why and without all the micro complaints.

[@Mister_Don888]

What videos that?

[@help8990]

I bet this guy plays with motion blur on

[@jasonsienko3727]

Just because you used the chainsaw to kill Heavies does not mean that was the intended use. Eternal’s chainsaw is used this way because they want you to use more weapons than the super shotgun, which if you’re good enough you could probably still manage.

[@jmurray1110]

Only when you fully upgrade the ammo and even then you still want to quickscope between shots

[@goose535]

This guy complaining about doom eternal and is playing on im too young to die, and uses the minigun to kill the marauder

[@lochy1672]

My first play through was on nightmare lol

[@a.sasley2817]

For anyone who hasn’t watched yet, don’t. It is a huge waste of time. It is just doom 2016 fanboy pulling stuff out of their ass.

[@MohMovin]

😭

[@Gholefi]

Dude literally complained about stuff in eternal that is the exact same in 2016.

[@Agent-wp3yi]

Doom 2016 is also more dark, Eternal looks like an arcade.

[@SlyMufasa]

It’s almost as if it’s a Doom game which has always been colorful and arcadey, the only two that have a majority dark aesthetic are 3 and 2016

[@themidnightshadows1941]

its almost as if that was the whole point

[@thatoneguy2816]

Wait you serious? Omg I couldn't tell

[@alveypaez5646]

The colorfulness is supposed to let the players know what to differentiate ammo, environments, and enemies. I still enjoy the dark colors and grittiness of 2016, and I enjoy the colorfulness of Eternal.

[@Nikolai1939]

​@@SlyMufasaDoom eternal looks very gay tho, with all the colors of the rainbow spilling out of the demons "inside of every demon is a rainbow" lol. I don't think it fits with the aesthetic of the rest of the game, Doom 2016 was more toned down in that aspect and it's better for it

[@vikkemannen3853]

You're very brave for expressing your negative opinion on eternal. A lot of people aren't gonna like that.

[@kevinuploadingwhatever]

Its just a shit opinion tho

[@Cec451]

@@kevinuploadingwhatever Nah it's not

[@LolLol-qs3qg]

@@kevinuploadingwhatever it aint

[@merskyman2449]

All I have to say to people who like 2016 over eternal is....... Get gud

[@Finecabinets1]

@@PimpinPFood Gun sounds, gun design, there is a lot better about 2016.

[@DrCabbageman]

I've no doubt you've seen a ton of disagreement already, but I felt that, as good as 2016 was, it sort of got stale towards its end because the Super Shotgun went brrrr. It was my biggest gripe with 2016, really. All those weapons and options and you only really need one. Eternal's approach I felt ensured that no one weapon would be used to the exclusion of the others, and that helped a ton with keeping fights interesting until the end. I imagine it'd be overwhelming and messy for a fair number of people, though, given you're swapping weapons and using certain abilities and modifications and stuff all while avoiding the hordes of projectiles sent your way, so I can see the appeal in 2016 over Eternal for some.

[@PretentiousAdonis]

ssg was king in that game but the fucking gauss cannon with a fully upgraded siege mode was like a mini bfg, it was absurd.

[@Xhawk777]

Plus with the Rich Get Richer and Armored Offensive runes, you could get infinite Gauss cannon ammo

[@Antrixous]

@@Xhawk777 and the one rune where there's a chance you can get bfg ammo when you kill a demon, you basically have infinite bfg ammo, which turned most combat arenas into a joke

[@radioactiverat8751]

Pretty sure the devs said it was the be all end all gun. They watched a clip of someone who doesn't play videogames stubbornly using the pistol instead of anything else. They saw this as a failure on their part. Regular players know to get engaged with the mechanics and try multiple routes. Not necessarily by game design, but because you know to for fun. Eternal forces that rather than lets things go your way. Play by its rules, or die die die again.

[@radioactiverat8751]

@the golden doomslayer Not really, if you attempt to use the super shotgun (or any for that matter) as your primary like Doom 2016 lets you do, you're going to find yourself lacking when faced with specific enemies. Every gun has its purpose, with a specific type of enemy that its best used against. The pistol never really had a purpose beyond being there when running out of ammo. So they removed it and made it at the chainsaw always has one unit of fuel to grab ammunition.

[@mistah3687]

TLDR: Eternal is better than Doom 2016 in almost every way and I disagree with Connor completely. I wouldn't say that Doom 4 (Doom 2016, but I'm calling it 4 because it's fucking annoying to constantly call it "Doom 2016") is faster at all, the moment to moment combat isn't nearly as fast paced as Eternal's. I think you may be confusing "movement speed" and "speed of combat" with one another. "Speed of combat" is how often and how quickly you need to make decisions in combat, while "movement speed" is self explanatory. You may feel like Doom 4 is more fast paced because you may feel like the game's movement speed is higher (which is false tbh but for the sake of argument lets assume it's true), which is not all that determines the speed of combat. You are making MUCH more decisions in Doom Eternal and making them MUCH more frequently via dashes, monkey bars, meat hook, and a few others. Doom 4 only really has strafing and double jumping, both of which exist in Eternal as well. Doom 4's combat also grew stale around 2/3 of the way through because they ran out of tools to give you, while more times than not in Eternal when a new enemy shows up, they introduce a new weapon or option to counter the enemy. This is kept up for much longer throughout the game than Doom 4. Lastly, I don't think you're at all correct with saying Eternal has half baked ideas. And if Eternal truly DOES have half baked ones, Doom 4 has the same issue with less substance to distract from it. Doom Eternal is MUCH more fleshed out than 4, there's more movement options, more ways to deal with enemies, more viable weapon options other than Super Shotgun spam, and more varied enemy types that require different ways to deal with them. The experience is night and day with the two games. To quote DJ Peach Cobbler: Doom 4 is a mindless shooter, Doom Eternal is a mindFUL shooter. There's nothing wrong with wanting to turn your brain off, walk forward with the super shotgun and blow demons' brains out, but saying Eternal is WORSE than 2016 is not only false, but also asking for backlash. I have other things I disagreed with the video, but i don't want this comment to be any longer than it is. So to cap it off: it's fine that you liked Doom 4 more, but objectively Eternal is better in pretty much every way.

[@D0MIN0W4LKER]

11:02 That's actually a pretty funny glitch I have never seen that before Other than that you seem to be too into your own mindset of how to game instead of trying to expand your gaming knowledge with doom eternal, it invites you to dance but you gotta learn to tango first.

[@shadowthepokemonyt3339]

I’m honestly sorry you had a bad time with this game. Not everyone can like this game unfortunately, and I can respect that. Though if you want to have a better time with the game, I think you should look at it in a different way. I been playing the game for very long time, so maybe I can say a few things. With the things you mention in the video, I will try to put a different perspective, so prepare for a essay lol. Chainsaw and the lack of ammo is a big part of Eternal, and that is because they didn’t want you to be using one gun the entire time and not be punished by that. Chainsaw is basically your reload, and though I does get repetitive, It doesn’t take away the enjoyment for me. And it still serves as a get out of jail free card in some way. If you get stuck in a pinch, chainsaw so you don’t get killed. Now it doesn’t kill barons or tyrants, but that is what the crucible is for. That is your one hit k.o weapons you should use on those enemies. It replaces the function of the chainsaw in 2016 into a new and arguably better thing. And it shouldn’t be the same button because they both serve different purposes now. Chainsaw is now “ammo refill and breathing space” and the crucible is “get out of here demon” weapon. The grenades in Eternal serves a much greater purpose than putting them in The flying meatball mouths. They serve as a falter or stun system. When a demon gets hit by it, they stop what they are doing and is stunned. These few seconds of this goes in the loop of the combat. In 2016, point blank the mancubus and you done. Eternal, walk up to him without a plan and you now lost all of your armor. The grenade solves this and makes a safer and better way to kill them. Grenade, shoot their weak points, and blast them and dead. Speaking of weak points, you don’t need to go for them, it is very optional. It will be harder to do it without breaking them, but it’s there. It’s not “you need to break them”, but more “I want to break them”. I find myself using every mod in the sandbox, unlike in 2016. Over time, people found ways to use each of them, and all of them are situational. For the fire + ice bomb, that wasn’t necessarily half baked. In fact, you will get MORE armor if you freeze them. Now totally it doesn’t make sense art all but who cares, it’s fun The reason why the base melee tickles them is because they didn’t want you to depend on fisting your way out without a blood punch. It’s gives you more of a reason why you should do glory kills or stack up on armor and health for the extra blood punch, just in case you have yourself in a pinch. Ok so the tutorial and cutscenes can get pretty old once you played the game a million of times, but one of them is preventable. And side note, falling off doesn’t kill you instantly now if you have more than 20 health, so yay The reason why there is so many mechanics is because once you master them all, the combat loop can not be beat at all by 2016. If you go into the fun zone, things will be much more FUN. I understand that the many mechanics can confuse a first time player, but you will get the hang of it. Archville and buff totems is different in many ways and there is a reason for that. The buff totem is introduced in the 5th level, and it serves as a “hey, get me before you get jumped”. It’s a key target to look for. The totem only spawns fodder enemies, but not bigger ones. Meanwhile you can’t have the archville on the 5th level. He spawns any enemy, from doom hunters to marauders, and can teleport and stuff, so not as easy as the stationary object. Though by using the buff totem as a target to get rid of immediately, later on the archville serves as that. The target to get rid of immediately. You can turn off empowered demons if you have trouble with them Like in 2016, the story is there for the hardcore fans aka in the codex. There is a surprisingly a lot of lore in both games. And it’s there, but not in your face. You don’t have to get into it, but it is always there If you want too Like a comment I read before, you shouldn’t have all the upgrades as one currency. The hub area I can agree with you on that. Just the require path you need to go on multiple Playthroughs Ok even almost a year, the glitches are still abundant. Jesus just look at lighting breaks videos about it. No doubt about it that it kills the game I come from the future, and they will use the meathook as platforming. Even still, you can use the meathook to transverse throughout the game. You can do skips and just yeet yourself out of existence. Under the mayo did a video on that so I suggest checking it out Ok now for the big boy marauder. Yes, he is suppose to be hard and challenging because he is your equal. I get it, going through blind makes him a hard enemy, but if you research on ways to kill him, it will be easier. He is your equal, and a chess piece that requires your attention. And it is your job to kill everyone one else before him so it can be easier. Now it isn’t always one on one, but it makes the encounter way more interesting (also beware of two, buffed, and spirited versions of them in the DLC) And finally to cut this off, Doom 2016 being a mindless shooter. And I will admit, 2016 was a mindless shooter. And I’m sorry but 2016 is more mindless than eternal, and that is by design. Going in, ID wanted Eternal to be more mindful, with the inclusion of the fun zone. Eternal isn’t something you can go eyes close in, unlike in 2016. It’s more skill base, and more complicated. If you look at the pros of the doom eternal community (btw, the community is awesome and helps many get into the game), it’s mesmerizing and addicting to watch. So that’s the mindset you should go into eternal with Dang if you made it this far, congrats and thanks for reading this! Cheers!

[@Oofator]

my brain size expanded by 56% after reading this

[@shadowthepokemonyt3339]

@@Oofator ayy we big brain gang

[@absbrah38]

I still love this game even after i sound like im taking a dump after dying on un halfway through the campaign, although srsly though my reactions to un deaths is def something you wouldnt wanna hear

[@googlymooglyman]

This is an epic comment

[@redtaeo0922]

10/10 essay. Keep scrolling comment for no reason was worth it!

[@Meme-Weeb-Dweeb]

1:58 I understood not liking glory kills after see the same animations over and over but that's just a nitpick because they could have made thousands of animations but that would take too long and delay getting the product out. Second the glory kill mechanic is to regain lost health, if you don’t use the mechanic, especially on higher difficulties, it would increase the difficulty astronomically. Or maybe you're just the best Doom player ever and never get damaged. Idk BTW The pistol is hardly useful outside the first mission of 2016, it would be better to piss yourself than shoot the little ball of plasma at the baron 2:32 Uh I think you just contradicted yourself? Only a get out of jail free card or kill one demon and get health and ammo? As if maybe it's not a mechanism to kill demons reliably and one to refill your ammo so you don't have to use the previous mention piss pistol. 3:14 As apposed to what? You having to conserve ammo and think ultra-tactically to get through a section when the placed caches of ammo run out. 3:51 I believe that's the point? In 2016 when I fought cacodemons I just lobbed whatever I wanted at until it died via ordinance or glory kill now. In Eternal I shoved a grenade down their throat and glory killed them because that was easiest and used them as an involuntarily health pack. Now maybe you're complaining about it be too easy well then just don't do that then? 4:34 Sorry your right this game about killing demons is completely unplayable because of this 5:04 I never resorted to punching demons in 2016, I either ran away and got ammo or died. 5:31 That is the point also if they made the punch do as much damage to the demons as it did to the environment the being on the move mindstyle would be null in void with melee demons. If you can just shoot them until they get close melee them and then get your health back movement would only be used to get from point a to b and that would be boring. 6:47 Okay so we should remove all the abilities and mechanics so the game isn't weighed down and so you don't have to learn 7:13 Uh. The Crucible can kill three super heavy demons such as Barons, DOOM Hunters, and Tyrants Anyway I just think you wanted a game that was easy for you to play rather than something that actually require your attention.

[@shidderalpha2293]

Reviews like this make me realize the dangers of skipping tutorial segments. You clearly never actually read them because if you had, you would've realized at some point or another that many of your complaints stem from a misunderstanding of the core mechanics. You keep running out of ammo because you're supposed to swap weapons quickly. The chainsaw is better than the infinite ammo pistol because the pistol was genuinely unfun to use. Eternal is not slower 2016 not even you're own gamplay reflects that. Eternal was more focused you just didn't like where that focus was put.

[@breadrat]

Let's be honest here, the only valid thing that was in this video was the comment about the pistol.

[@ImmortalChanger]

I'd argue that even that point is not valid. Seeing how you get the chainsaw in literally the first level of the game, and it recharges one pip over time, it makes the pistol useless, and it's the whole reason why they scrapped it. After you get a shotgun, the pistol becomes useless. Same goes for DOOM 2016, II and the original one. You don't use the pistol after getting the shotgun unless you hate yourself (this is a hyperbole, I don't mean it literally).

[@Apathy474]

11:10 aight, this is bullshit. I have almost 500 hours on this game and bugs are VERY rare. The only prominent ones are the blood punch hit reg and the chainsaw "no target" which are being fixed and weren't a huge problem in the first place, and waiting a second or two fixes them. The other bugs are rare and almost never game breaking. I've only fallen through the floor or gone through a wall maybe three times during my 500 hours.

[@bowinrondeau]

Absolutely, played the fuck outta this game on nightmare and maybe fell outta the map once?? Hardly a "mess".....

[@jetthejudge]

There are a decent amount of bugs regardless.

[@CopeGaming129]

I have 750 hours on this game and have never encountered a bug, this man is high as balls.

[@piesmuggler7268]

20 paragraph andy here. i'll address this point by point. - flame belch and ice bomb: i think the idea of flame belch melting frozen enemies is cool other than being a headache to animate, but your criticism that these tools don't interact with each other is misguided. for starters, ice bomb does interact with flame belch by letting you set enemies on fire that you couldn't normally get that close to (mancubus for example). ice bomb interacts with many other mechanics as well such as letting you get close to blood punch (main strat for cybermanc), letting you get an easy hit on weakpoints (going around pinkies), and just letting you shoot things. Flame belch interacts with frag grenades to get loads of armor on groups, chainsaw to have invincibility while you deal the damage for armor, and your arsenal of weapons to deal damage quickly. your point about the mechanics not interacting with each other just doesn't stand. - blood punch: yeah, i'd prefer having a stronger base punch since doomguy is supposed to be the "rip and tear" man. dashing into enemies actually deals damage and knocks them back, but it would make more sense for the punch to do that. other tools like heat blast or just regular super shotgun do the same thing as blood punch, so idk if its inclusion is necessary. - tutorials and cutscenes: i think the cutscenes showing you where to go are dumb. sometimes they're helpful, but other times they waste your time by showing you something you're already looking at. the tutorials don't bother me, but i would prefer if the game were easier to figure out on your own, and advice could still be given in loading screens when you die. - buff totems and archviles: yeah, buff totems are more of a nuisance because their places aren't randomized, so you just go straight to them after your first time in the fight. the archvile in eternal also loses the spirit of the archvile from doom 2. - empowered demons: they can be turned off, so they aren't a problem, but they're also no longer demons from other campaigns, so they have no point to exist. - doom guy hype train: the "doomguy is god please step on me" shit did get kinda annoying. - upgrades and currencies: the currencies are basically all the same from 2016, so your complaint really doesn't help your main thesis. some upgrades could definitely be cut or put into your base kit, so you spend less time in menus, but the different currencies only make choosing upgrades simpler. - fortress of doom: the fortress of doom is cool, but navigating it could be made easier and faster. - bugs: as a battlemode player and someone whose favorite game is hollow knight, i have quite some experience with bugs. it's not as bad in campaign, especially compared with other AAA titles; it's about as many as you'd expect at launch, and the devs are working to fix them. it's just taking a long time because they have other priorities, and they're working from home. it's actually pretty easy to get a hold of hugo and other devs to inform them of bugs. - marauder: i like the marauder because he's cool, and he can feel like a dance. however, the game never tells you you're supposed to bait his axe throw and then he'll run up for you to parry him. his AI also fucks up, so he can just run up and shotgun you. that's kind of a big deal when it's unavoidable, mega damage, and knock-back. some of your points are literally false though, and i don't have the energy to list them - meathook: yeah, meathook should be included in platforming. also, you have to be on speed to think meathook isn't an amazingly useful combat tool and one of the coolest new features. - 2016 is faster: literally no. tutorials take like a few seconds, and otherwise, eternal is a significantly faster game. - weak points: i think eternal could have made weak points more obvious, especially since they now have the destructible demons system. - eternal = 2016 + unnecessary shit: eternal has more mechanics than 2016, yet more of them feel important because of an aspect that you never mentioned. the weapon balance is significantly better in eternal. in 2016, the ssg and gauss cannon blow through most of the game, making many other tools obsolete. in eternal, there are still some weapons and weapon mods that are suboptimal, and four weapons dominate the game in higher level play. still, despite having more stuff, eternal (in my opinion) has less useless mechanics.

[@therealeikichionizuka]

I never thought anyone could get so pissed over a simple video like this. If you’re gonna get this pissed about something, at least make sure it’s something meaningful.

[@GermanPeter]

Personally, I find Eternal just too complicated for me to really get into. It has too many mechanics to keep track of at any given time like you said, and that just overwhelms me. It's not fun for me to constantly jump from enemy to enemy to glory kill them, just got get what feels like 2 bullets to use on the next enemy and so on. 2016 was bland, but at least a bit more relaxed, more focused.

[@teamworkop3712]

I would have thought you d find it similar to the vaccinator medic gameplay tbh, which i personally find more stressful. I also initially found glory kills incredibly dull but after you get the rune to make them faster and the one that gives you speed after doing one, it becomes incredibly fun a speed boost!!!. Also dont worry about fodder unless you need ammo/health/armor, focus the big guys first, killing fodder is boring bgl, none of your weapons feel satisying against them

[@Tomorrow64]

What if I told you don’t really need to glory kill.

[@honkmaster]

2016 felt like it had too much stuff I didn’t need tbh. Doom eternal had a more realized arsenal that I felt like I was making good use of at all times

[@49mozzer]

If you need ammo then use the chainsaw, it really isn't that hard to understand. If you run dry on ammo before the first pip is restored then you're doing something wrong. Doom is meant to get your blood pumping, not be a relaxing stroll through the hellscape.

[@big_man_nine6488]

Did you ever hear about the option to turn off those cutscene's and tips

[@RedSunUnderParadise]

Out of Curiousity, what is wrong with the in Universe characters making the Doom Slayer out to be this Deific figure? It is kinda justified seeing as he not only Soloed Hell, but has some other batshit feats that kinda solidifies that sort of reaction.

[@roarsack503]

Plus it's just straight-up fun. It's supposed to be over-the-top and ridiculous. This guy sounds like he's taking things a bit too seriously. How can someone, who enjoys an ultra-violent game, be grossed out by the epitome of ultra-violence being deified in said game? Would they rather have the characters question the Doomguy's morality or something? lol

[@thegmanofEAP]

The inability to engage with a games mechanics are not the fault of the developer.