Rise of the Status Economy - Don't hate the player or the game - MASTER THE RULES!

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[@ralphneptune9881]

The obsession with status is very often a sad features of our psychological make up. As someone who really appreaciate spending time alone one of the best thing about being alone is that you no longer have to worry about the primal make up and Lack of wisdom of others.

[@mnrvaprjct]

Facts I feel like this is an Oversight by David

[@neetfreek9921]

I think you can minimize if not get rid of this through culture. Buddhism and Taoism are pretty good at getting rid of status economy, and it’s no coincidence that more collectivist societies sprung from them.

[@Cytryz]

That seems exhausting to participate in. I enjoy watching it in shows and maybe through youtube, but I enjoy just living as a recluse. I like solitude. Occassionally i toss my opinion out into the abyss that is the internet, likely to appease the teeny ember of socialness i have.

[@MaxTheDogAppreciator]

Unfortunately, if you don't play the game you are leaving yourself open to being taken advantage of by people who do

[@Sajuuk]

Agreed. AGI will have to enable those who suffer from neurodivergence which dooms their ability to successfully take part in social status games or they'll continue to suffer ever worse persecution and ostracization in a world ever more dominated by it.

[@RadicalAlignment]

You can opt out of the status game, but it just means you're choosing to be low status. You're not doing yourselves any favor by ignoring it.

[@PeachyKins]

Yes ❤ I don't even think I feel like watching this video anymore (based on the title and comments to the op) reality is not what any human says it is. My Indian guru just went off about how the solution now is to live off grid. It's fear p o r n. And it gets views. Lol, that's most people's sad reality. Your vibe creates your reality. This vibe is gross (video, only clicked bc it's in my timeline and I'm like ,wtf why am I subbed to this trash.) Peace

[@PeachyKins]

It's funny he posts poppies midway (yes I scanned) poppies are symbolic , in more ways than tall poppy syndrome lol

[@uk7769]

As an introvert Robert Greene's book Power helped me a lot with learning the game dominated by the loud blathering extroverts. If you are an introvert, get used to suffering this demented society. Learn strategies that work to preserve your core values.

[@PeachyKins]

❤

[@Sajuuk]

This is a nightmare for neurodivergent people suffering from Asperger's and social anxiety syndrome and other social difficulties 🤦 I really hope AGI or ASI will enable people who stand little to no chance of ever being successful in the status game to either be able to take part in the status game or never have to take part in it and suffer the kind of social persecution and ostracism they do now.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Yes, but you can find your own groups and your own people. I pretty much only hang out with neurospicy people, so now I feel normal lol

[@PsychicMikeTarot]

@@RadicalAlignment You created your own community with people who largely think and believe similarly to yourself. That would logically place you at the top of the status hierarchy. My son is autistic an very talented and funny, but he isn't really comfortable talking directly to people. He makes videos and wants to be a director. I believe that there are status games that neurodivergent people can win at. Certainly AGI will be a huge help to them as it will to the rest of society. Hopefully it will also widen the status games allowing everyone to be high stus in some community.

[@Sajuuk]

@@RadicalAlignment Yeah I guess I'll just have to keep doing what I've been doing most of my life 😜

[@markonfilms]

I'm neurospicy too. Neurospicy gang come in. 😂 I'm a stoner too. I'm so grouped that no matter how much I try to avoid groups I'm group gang all day. 😂😂

[@Hogo69]

It's always been in my mind that humans are just more complex animals.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Yep, the sooner people accept this the better

[@AHMEDGAIUSROME]

We are human souls inside animal vassels

[@bigbadallybaby]

For me this is why sports could be a major part of post work utopia. Easy way to create status and move up by wining and training. People can choose many different sports and e sports.

[@RadicalAlignment]

There are also non-competitive sports, like rock climbing, that's what I do

[@CelestialSci]

Didn't work out in the hunger games smh

[@bigbadallybaby]

@@RadicalAlignment yes. But people find ways to make those competitive too!

[@archdemonplay6904]

@@RadicalAlignment Rock climbing can be competitive also

[@michaeldallen234]

I'm sure status is going to be of utmost important when everyones playing God in their full dive virtual realities... I dont think anyone can make predictions about how society will be until the world is humbled by the presence of super intelligence. Status has been relevant because it's how society functions currently, it's not going to be relevant after that functionality is flipped upside down.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Wishful thinking

[@tommags2449]

Unless the player of the games changes the rules. Lights out for all of us. How am I going to protect my family?

[@pandereodium2587]

I want to point out that the status game will be a thing even for artificial species, because being a high-status is basically means being an important part of a system.

[@Noneofyourbyisness]

You're on a roll man. I appreciate you taking the time to present this to the people. You are valued 💯 -Just a girl from Chicago

[@drewjames1778]

High value content! Thank you.

[@gonzalezm244]

I really appreciate the breadth of your research that bring these videos to life. I hope you know that you’re doing awesome work and it’s always a joy to watch your PowerPoints 😄. Even if it turns out to be different in the future, it’s fun to consider all the possibilities

[@eltiburongrande]

The tall poppy syndrome reminds me of a Tagalog saying that goes, "Ang punong hitik, pinupukol." It translates to "The tree teeming with fruit is the target of stones."

[@theodorurhed]

Seeing unity in multiplicity is the answer here, as always, Love. Having loving inclusive ingroups that don't really spend any time with hating or bothering other groups seem like the sweetspot. As soon as fear is involved, like with the witch trials or red scare is when shit gets wack. Lead with love, not with fear.

[@Whitsunday1020]

Status and materialism are glamorised, true happiness lies in experiences, relationships, and personal growth. Alternatives like creativity, nature, and connections offer deeper fulfilment beyond material success and status IMO.

[@divyanshsh]

superb video, thanks

[@jks234]

35:55 I feel that what you said at the end really drives home that… talking about this is pretty much the grounds for letting it go. That when we attempt to remove this, we only enter a “meta status game” where people who are the most removed win. So given this, how do we proceed? By realizing we play status games and let them happen, but also realizing that we are doing this for far more true reasons. Namely, there’s something we wish will be realized or pursued. And the people who most embody this future are the people we make examples of in our own lives. This seems much healthier to me than bringing front and center “the status game” and people actively playing it. That, to me, is a perverse incentive. A more direct approach is to simply listen to what you want the future to hold and embody it. And those who desire that future will see your embodiment and hold you as an example. That’s the status game in a nutshell. Played at the highest levels, in my opinion. This is what creates the imperviousness of certain individuals in my mind. Because their status is not status. It is ideal representation.

[@jks234]

Rewatching this. It seems like an alternate view towards simple “radical authenticity”. You simply stay in groups you align with. And leave groups that you do not.

[@peterwilkinson1975]

I wonder if status games are one of the biproducts of living in scarcity. Like one of the main evidence is appealing to the natural world. The thing is the natural world all lives in scarcity. Now I’m talking end game stuff like Dyson sphere kind of thing. These kinds of games you could argue is a useful way of allocating scarce resources. Both mental and material. I’m suspicious if this quality of our society will have to be abandoned out of necessity to “evolve” to living in a world of infinite abundance. Where we think it’s essential to who we are but I feel like it’s more a biproduct of our environment. An environment of scarcity. The reason why I think we will be forced to abandon this way of thinking is if we have infinite power we will destroy ourselfs using all the classic status games reasons. Basically self destruction is the logical conclusion to status games if we had unlimited power. It’s like if everyone had a nuke in their pocket while at the same time having to fight for status. Basically I think we will have to evolve past this in order to survive the new environment. Kind of like the dramatic transition of fish moving to land.

[@RadicalAlignment]

There's always some scarcity and yeah it's part of it, but it's also about natural selection eg finding the most valuable mates

[@bollweevil8112]

What makes a valuable mate is relative, no?

[@peterwilkinson1975]

@@RadicalAlignment maybe novelty will be the new scarcity in that situation?

[@RadicalAlignment]

Not really. Fertility is objective. Attractiveness has some subtle variance in preference but is mostly objective (symmetry, height, youth). Don't fall into the postmodernist lie that everything is relative.

[@BunnyOfThunder]

Rational self interest only exists because economists invented it. A more real and useful version is behavioral economics imo (and status is one of the key contributions to the behavioral element I'm sure)

[@matten_zero]

This kinda just feels like law of the jungle type of rationalization. I hear ya and I read Storr's book. While I agree this is defacto the world at large, I can see this as a reason to enslave the lower status people. Basically social darwinism at large, esp in a postmodern world. How do we recognize this fact about himanity without just leaning into our base instincts or just empowering the sociopaths in our society?

[@RadicalAlignment]

Yes, people have used this to justify literal slavery as well as the mistreatment of poor people

[@SimonCarpio09]

Have more status games. We make them up all the time. The broader the games and the more varied the rules for success, the higher the chances of a person having self-worth and not allowing themselves to be enslaved or pushed around.

[@Danielkaas94]

New subscriber! This is my second video I have watched, really good stuff! 👍

[@dilldev]

I read The Status Game after your recommendation, and it’s my new favorite book. You should invite Will Storr on the show to discuss the intersection of his and your work.

[@RadicalAlignment]

I connected with him on LinkedIn but then I deleted my LinkedIn

[@RichardWilliamLawson]

Realizing Linkedin too is also a status game😮 I deleted mine too, camping out in the Lab, seeing what I can cook up 🥼 🧪

[@antoine.-]

Oh boy this is gonna be a good one

[@user-fp7gj5sz9f]

Great content.

[@squamish4244]

The huge assumption that drives this video is that the human brain will be fundamentally unchanged despite AI, which is untenable. Neuroplasticity is vast - Andrew Huberman says that there are probably no limits to it - and we know we can massively change peoples' brains with the technologies we have now. Forget meditation - I mean psychedelic therapy, focused ultrasound, optogenetics, neurofeedback and more. These things work today, and are only going to get more powerful, in large part due to AI. Why would we assume that everything will change except so-called 'human nature'? Why would that be frozen in place?

[@storyalchemist_]

A very good point!

[@ezeepeezee]

I appreciate you talking about this, I've understood it since I was young but I have told many people specifically about this, that status is more important than well-being in many cases and it explains a lot of apparently strange behavior. Thanks for your work!

[@trelligan42]

Very good coverage of the subject. #FeedTheAlgorithm

[@jcarter5365]

Interesting video but I propose a third option which is to not care about the status game. You might be wondering if that's just the same as rejecting it but in my opinion its not, if you reject it then you're against it as in actively saying its bad you shouldn't do it and going out of your way to fight it. My proposal is that we just say ok and move on while continuing to focus on whatever we are doing at the time. Its worked well for me for years, don't chase status, don't fight it, just accept it and move on. Ironically this still places you in the status game but you kind of settle somewhere and are just happy with what you have. Another point against this might be but people will take advantage of you, but again it hasn't happened to me yet and I'm not saying let people take advantage of you, just ignore it when they try. e.g. someone tries to get you to do something, if it aligns with your views and its something you would like to do then do it, otherwise don't.

[@juliahello6673]

Some people are obsessed with status. Others like to interact with friends and acquaintances who are interesting and unconcerned with image. "Human nature" is variable. You could just as well talk about violence and killing people as part of human nature. Yes, it probably is, but most people go through their lives never tempted to commit violence. Psychologists have found that people who are status conscious (like narcissists, who have greater motivations for status) think that everyone is highly motivated by status. Yes, I'm sure that everyone is aware of status, in the sense that you need to protect yourself against status games, but that doesn't mean that everyone chooses to play the game if they don't have to.

[@heimsein]

This is what gives us the incentive to get good at anything. You feel good if you do good. Athletes that are in friendly rivalry for example. Or friends that acknowledge each others strengths. It is the inspiration to better yourself in any way. We are lucky to have evolved so that anything can be a sign of status. And if you've found your niche you'll be blessed. You can even turn it so far around that you feel like being high status by elevating the status of the people around you because you're good at seeing and nurturing their strengths and talents. This is a gift my people.

[@SilentShiba]

Just like resource-relations, very far in the future, even status fails to matter. Always chase the good energy and your own evolution

[@PeachyKins]

Be the good energy ✨️ no need to chase. The future is both right now but also doesn't exist at all ~ time isn't linear.

[@memegazer]

"You must learn to master the rules before you can effectively break them" -a popular adage from chess and other sports

[@RadicalAlignment]

And writing

[@theodorurhed]

And painting:) probably true for all forms of artistry

[@tybowesformerlygoat-x7760]

A glaring omission here is the factor of varying needs for status. There are people with vast needs for status and others with relatively no need at all. The latter group isn't reactionary, they have just decided it's not as fundamentally important. This single fact is as signficant as all the rest.

[@Cu.is.copper]

Very informative and a great analysis. I read Alain de Botton’s “status anxiety” years ago which made similar observations, so it was good to have a refresh on the topic with a modern lens. Mastering the rules of the game is so important. I did giggle at the emu part as a white Australia as that mispronunciation is a sort of an inside joke to identify outsiders. Though it very well may be the indigenous pronunciation and the white version is anglo version of the word.

[@proyectoconexion6118]

Genetic game : Survival game, reproduction game, status game (qualia and biology for genetic game): rank game, epistemic tribe game

[@rewindcat7927]

Fascinating 😮 so many interesting ideas this could be 3 or 4 videos. Could this be a way to summarize the main ideas: 1. Status game is not negotiable 2. We can choose what status games we play Probably safe to assume that the effects of ‘good’ status on the brain have been studied? I wonder if they will ever create a status pill, to give ppl the feeling of high status? For me, I achieve this by lording over villagers in Minecraft 😂

[@foo_tube]

Another zinger. It was especially interesting when you pointed out that a zero-status or 100 equal status system is what prison is. That was something I hadn't thought about. Although I do hold space my heart for the equal status systems of, you know, love, friendship, and the teddy-bear tea parties of 6 year old girls. But in thinking about it, status struggles were often there, underneath somewhere, fouling it all up, as it were. In fact I wonder if you introduce status games into friendship, I'm not sure it's really friendship anymore.

[@petrus4]

As someone who got a sneak preview of what you are discussing here during three years of World of Warcraft, (which is also what ultimately caused me to leave the game) I can tell you that neither inequality nor the persuit of excellence, in and of themselves, are social problems. The genuine problem is the level of spite and vindictiveness that is so often associated with them. That is the reason why any games I play now, are exclusively single player. We SHOULD try to be the best that we can at everything we do, and move the state of the art in it forward. We should NOT, however, condemn anyone who is not at our own level of development, and we should always remember that just as we are ahead of some, so others are also aware of us. Everyone at every level should be interested in moving all of us further forward, because if we do that, then everyone benefits.

[@LastWordSword]

MAGA/ Raging Bull strategy: Doubles one attribute, doubling the computational challenge for both in- and out-group. Forstalls intelligent response.

[@Kreslyn042]

I would argue that you could be wrong here. Status exists for a purpose in general but not for the status itself. I believe status is likely self motivation which evolved from instinctual self preservation. Status now is a dopamine hunt for success and it drives people forward. If all of our needs are met through AI and the human race is being cared for completely do we really need that drive that comes from the status hunt? Now do I think it is healthy to have some drive, yes. Humans without any drive or direction become hopeless and lifeless. But in a world where you could be born and do nothing but look at the sky watching clouds go by and die without ever leaving your birth home if you don't want to, I have to question whether people will evolve to not care about status. Comes down to what do I get for playing the game. If most people don't want the prize then the game is pointless. I think after AI takes hold and we all adjust, that most people will end up down their own rabbit hole of interest and be interacting so heavily with AI that worrying about their rankings with other humans will not even garner enough interest to warrant the brain cycles to think about it. We will need it during the transition to the new world more than ever but I think it will fade as everyone gets completely consumed by the new world of options. The saying that a man needs to push a boulder up a hill to have purpose and be fulfilled might be true until you can be endlessly teleported to the top of the next million hills and your so busy checking out the scenery you forget about the boulder completely but are still happy. Jack in and live the life of a king, god, whatever.... The days of status are numbered and humanity with die without even a whimper, blissfully unaware as we die off in cyberspace where we don't even see humans anymore. Slightly morbid but a likely outcome with my current information.

[@memegazer]

I think a useful point you could make about broadening is how the rules of the status game are unfair, not necessarily the outcomes within some current paradigm of more tightness. And a common mischaracterization of "equality" seeks to subvert efforts to make the rules more "fair" for everyone(social change of perceptions about how status is measured that allows more opprutinity for more people, rather than social policy that maintains current 'stability' in signifiers and symbols related to status), rather than equality being frame as forcing some "equal" baseline outcome for everyone.

[@memegazer]

I suppose in this sense you could say that capitalism works on paper bc ideally it would reward solutions to problems, but in reality capitalism is wrought with issues that might exploit oprotunities to create problems that don't have to exist, or incentivise policies to ignore unforeseen problems that are now an inconvient consequence of a solution to some problem that would be good if not for those unforeseen consequences.

[@chowder130]

11:12 One cheat code to life I found is that you can double-count your goats as extra wives. Makeup doesn't exist yet, after all.

[@RadicalAlignment]

My wife is worth many goats

[@sophieblooming8555]

Tall poppy syndrome is called “crane stands out in a chicken crowd” 鹤立鸡群 happy to see it’s a universal syndrome that we have localized terms for it

[@RadicalAlignment]

Oh that's awesome. Love how it is in so many cultures.

[@Imcomprehensibles]

We can still have a hierarchy when everyone is still financially free, housed, healthy, and fed!! Lol just not one based around our current fight for survival. It'd be other things likely natural

[@markkuykendall5475]

The informant thing you mentioned at around 29mins is also where those overly tight status games start to break down. When the game gets so tight that people can virtue signal effectively by preying on others is when/where the game becomes utterly toxic and socially maladaptive and burns itself out. The informant thing is terminal cancer to the game. The game will die in a matter of time. How much time? Hard to say. It could be a year or two, it could be a decade or two, or a generation or two, or whatever, but the game WILL die once people start "making bank" by being rats.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Yep well said

[@HonestGraduate]

I wish I had learned this at 18. Oh well, I know it now!

[@Sirbikingviking]

This is why we cant have nice things. Yay human nature 👏👏👏

[@RadicalAlignment]

If we weren't social or ambitious we'd just be squirrels

[@RikLeedsMusic.77]

@@RadicalAlignment ...Do you not see the logical fail here??...Squirrels are both social and quite ambitious.

[@moastray5093]

David this is not a solution "Higher" and "Lower" are comparative not somthing by itself, to be "high" status some one else needs to be "low" status Change from status groups is something that many people cant do in the first plays because economic reasons but even if its not like that if 10 persons are in the same room 1 of then is gonna be the one with the lowest status, if he fly away then there is still a low status person the only diference is that now there are 9 people in that room

[@RadicalAlignment]

That's the point. You can't opt out.

[@moastray5093]

@@RadicalAlignment you can opt out but you cant be inside nethier... agh i hate to be human, in one hand i only want some peace in my live and live in a montain or something when no body is going to try anything with me but in the other hand i have social needs (because i am human >:v) Im only waiting for ai to change how the world works as fast as possible (and for bad reasons...)

[@sophieblooming8555]

Chinese had this TradWife status game strong in its agrarian past. As a new wife, you would be on the lowest rank within the multigenerational and multi-adult children household, and then slowly climbed your way up after many children and grandchildren. Chinese expression for that is “a wife toils into a grandma in a thousand years” 千年的媳妇熬成婆. (Updated the verb as 熬means slow cook so it’s about taking a long time to transform into something) The peck order within the wives in such extended household was real, cat fight on steroid if not controlled.

[@INTELLIGENCE_Revolution]

This is so interesting

[@Bellshazar]

LOL at the background picture at 11:00. Somehow the woman's upper body is in-front of the windshield despite sitting in the drivers seat. The guy beside her seems to be like wtf.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Yeah midjourney is still not perfect

[@ballmoniyy]

Joe Rohan talks about status games in one of his podcasts and Virtue games that comes out of that sometimes

[@2flight]

To quote some t-shirt philosopher, "I'm a legend in my own mind". I like your video. Ya can't fight human nature.

[@coolcool2901]

That's an interesting take, could you explain how covert narcissistic personality disorder, has an interplay in this?

[@Michele_Ana]

I just love listening to you describe things. Just makes a whole lot of sense and really grounds me in my body. I want to hear you talk about simulation theory and quantum perspectives. I’ve been contemplating these and it’s definitely challenging to integrate into my life. Thanks for your work!

[@RikLeedsMusic.77]

High status and all it's advantages @ 12:00...is an EXCELLENT argument for UBI (universal basic income)...which would instantly raise every poor person's status to above board and give them the ability to continue climbing the ladder like the rest of society.

[@gregorysouthworth783]

I would think that the best outcome would be to allow various people to emerge in higher status roles among various multiple games or unique groups. That would have the effect of "democratizing" opportunities for people to find higher status roles both within and among these varying groups. In a society which begins to decentralize power and decision-making, that would seem to be a better outcome whereas an overly centralized society that is very status conscious which can lead to a kind of tribal fascism. I would also think that part of this democratizing impulse would be to build in protections against exploitation or persecution particularly of people in lower status roles who may be less able to defend themselves.

[@aymanrizik]

I tend to think that sometime down the line we'll have robots indistinguishable from humans in terms of appearance and intellect, later on they will tightly intertwine with human society. this will expand the "player base" in this status game - and ultimately people will have the ability to obtain multiple robots and carefully craft their ideal social group, in which they have highest status. what do you think ? thanks for the great content !

[@ShangaelThunda222]

So it's basically not gonna be much different than today.... Wonderful....

[@noorienoorie7784]

bro isn't this one of the episodes of "black mirror" where currency is contingent upon how many likes your social media accounts have?

[@RadicalAlignment]

The first episode... Or maybe second. First season

[@uk7769]

Falling Down was the name of that episode.

[@jan-willembogaards1749]

@@uk7769 Close. It was "Nosedive". Brilliant and terrifying episode.

[@uk7769]

@jan-willembogaards1749 oh right, Falling Down was a Michael Douglas movie lol. Little too much weed this evening. Nosedive, one of my favorite episodes, too. 2nd only to White Christmas episode.

[@michaelmagone]

I think we are understimating how lazy most people are and how AI is going to exacerbate this.

[@williamfischer8149]

It seems like status mobility is maybe a key factor in maintaining healthy status dynamics. People with low status should be able to meaningfully elevate their status by changing their behavior (at least in status games where behavior is a relevant factor), while high status individuals can still be held accountable by the possibility that their status can be downgraded. The status immobility in the late-stage capitalist paradigm is part of why it's such an unhealthy system.

[@kajsing]

This... is really US pov.. I would absolutely abuse the heck out of the rules, to change the game and the players.

[@RadicalAlignment]

You could try... But you would fail

[@kajsing]

@@RadicalAlignmentWe will see... what ever happens its gonna be world changinge.

[@DefenderX]

I like sudoku more than chess, because I don't like to play against others. I don't like competition, even when playing video games and therefore I lean more against PvE, coop, single player RPGs. I don't like the concept that we need to associate eachother as someone who is better or worse than anyone, for only one reason. There will always be someone who is better than you. So it's better to go inwards and come to terms with yourself and your own skills. Because if someone will always be better than you, your skill doesn't matter to anyone else but you. So I value people who do things for themselves. Yes, it's still status game. But being ok with yourself at low status is an ok way to live, because you're not attacked, bullied, manipulated 24/7.

[@stan3136]

I’m not sure where you’re getting this notion that socialism or communism wants to enforce equality. I thought socialism just wanted societal infrastructure to be owned collectively and communism wanted to do away with class which means there’s no opposing sides in our relationship to how we access resources. Removing class makes us all equal in the sense that there’s no one with more power to gatekeep a higher quality of life but not in the terms of a social hierarchy.

[@RikLeedsMusic.77]

bingo

[@perrybb2]

Wow this sounds horrific. Looks like those who are at the bottom of the social rung will have even less reason to go out and interact with other humans than they did before. Who knows how many millions of souls will be lost to the trap of virtual reality for life

[@markonfilms]

Valve figured this out a long time ago with stickers. You don't gain anything by having a rare skin in Counterstrike... but plenty of people care about these stickers. Stickers are pretty and they signal status. I don't care about it because I'm not a very serious player, and when i do play ~~I tend to just use the other players as better AI.~~ *okay that's kinda mean I do value the social interaction even if no one is don't voice or chat. Also it's extremely funny to listen to voice chat in game even if you don't join in. I'm low status though so I don't have anything to prove and don't have anything to lose by not having stickers (ie i don't make money streaming). If i made money streaming though then the stickers might help give me an edge on the streaming game because it's visually interesting.

[@markonfilms]

Also KZbin please give us markdown thx

[@markonfilms]

Also if someone has a really cool skin I might freeze up instead of firing and lose the round. 😂

[@LastWordSword]

I'm hoping that the value of the "how" info of tall poppies will rise, making attacks less likely. Not holding my breath though. 😔

[@Bellshazar]

Another book that talks about this in a very different way is Rory Miller's "Conflict Communication." He talks more about staying in your rational human brain as opposed to being controlled by your monkey brain in social situations.

[@yoananda9]

how long does a narrow status game last usually ?

[@jamesmack1350]

Cool idea ... as you said, status games are played on a lot of different fields, all at the same time. Personally, i have a favorite physicist (Dr. MICHIO KAKU.) I wouldn't be able to pick a Kardashian out of a police lineup. And in the microscopic field of world-class Scottish Gaelic teachers in north america, i have drunk whisky with three of them. Status games are almost never a winner-takes-all.

[@nathansteiger5153]

I hold out hope that advances in biotech, or mind uploading technology if that's ever possible, could afford us the opportunity to radically alter human nature away from this kind of thing so it isn't permanent. Solitary species do exist in nature, after all, so perhaps human brains could be altered to be more like them.

[@inknoidrobot1227]

I can now see the light brother. I had no idea at the time of 2016 in 17 and now. Why such weird things happen in my life. But as I watched your stream, it all makes sense. In those years how I was the temporary George Jefferson of TL's in San Francisco. Then with 3 contracts and one main job and I thought it would be easy to leave that in the pass. And in the west coast as I'm east now. But I see that some people won't let that go buy there thought, it could happen to anyone but him. This was a very good one today brother.

[@RichardWilliamLawson]

Excellent photo curation, the images really help drive home your points. Status and image matter. Pro Ilya Trump Elon 🤟

[@angloland4539]

❤

[@rathan3288]

But we also have to remember that there's a tradeoff to everything. Is there actually a ''golden zone'' where you're fully authentic but also high status enough to not be exploited by others? Is being on the spectrum of middle class the optimal position on society? I feel like the higher somebody's perceived social status is, the more performative they're required to be in order to maintain that status. You don't see a lot of homeless people performing tedious table etiquettes while they eat, like people from royal families do 😅

[@Gauloi007]

All of this can be resume in one idea people are not very creative in their desire, they just copied each other and became in competition for the same thing : money, power, value, influence... Money is just a part of it, because it's a way to get things. But if some lunatic start to desire abstinence, minimalism... And now the money is not involved in the game, we are just moutons...

[@maickelvieira1014]

When you think of ai influencers and perfect text made by ai, i think youtube as a job could be a past kk

[@OceanicEstate]

Not everyone is the same. Often times we adaot to our cultural standards for some personal benefit and not for status. One in the same I suppose.

[@dalerohling5989]

It appears you forgot to mention organic status, you know, the one that has nothing to do with artificial constructs in the artificial world.

[@BryanWhys]

You might be right in the medium term, but this changes beyond asi, because dominance is an illogical trait

[@RadicalAlignment]

Doubt it. Humans will always love sports and such

[@BryanWhys]

@PragmaticProgressive how long are we going to be humans beyond asi though? I understand entertainment, but I don't think it's logical to make competition the point of much of anything unless you're competing with knowledge itself; to attain it better and faster. I just don't think status holds weight beyond becoming a super intelligent planet/species.

[@BryanWhys]

@PragmaticProgressive maybe the humans that don't morph into the new species will still prioritize status, but not the superintelligent superhuman/bot crossovers. What would be the point of competing in a hyperabundant universe while we have extremely capable minds and tools?

[@BryanWhys]

@PragmaticProgressive doesn't something with an extremely capable mind and tools naturally come to the conclusion that finding self fulfillment and working sustainably in incrimates to fulfill max sustainable and enjoyable lives and experiences in existence is probably a more useful approach and more capable of being attained (given the excessive level up [predictions of 20,000x human intelligence]) than spending their time trying to one up others for clout?

[@BryanWhys]

@PragmaticProgressive I'd really love to hear your thoughts about the metaphysics and epistemology involved in superintelligence, and in the human adoption of it into our own brains/consciousness via nanobots or something else. Have you considered that much? It seems like, and I mean no offense, but it seems like you lean more towards the sort of star trek, star wars, or dune type scenario, where everything is super advanced, but there are still a bunch of people running around with basically the same intelligence levels, maybe slightly above average... Because we can't conceive of what it's like when everyone has 20,000x intelligence built into their brains.

[@moastray5093]

Maybe status games is not avoidble but it is ihnerently problematic and there are gonna be "low" status people until we change the minds of the people (litealy change their minds, maybe trough trans-humanism?)

[@RadicalAlignment]

Yeah... Forcibly rewiring the entire human race for the sake of "equality" is the definition of authoritarianism

[@moastray5093]

@@RadicalAlignment that was just a posible solution not a MUST DO (i dont have the english level to speak with clarity :c), but what would be the solution in your view? Because in tte video what i understood was "get around it" and that just seems like a bad joke

[@moastray5093]

What im trying to say is that i dont want to enforce anything on to any body, if a mind must change (litealy) is mine to be able to live in peace and solitud far away from the chaotic humanity

[@10ahm01]

@@RadicalAlignment I think you're not trying to imagine how it could happen; say we reach a point where low status people can artificially opt out from their low status situation, by rewiring their brains or hooking themselves up to some convincing fantasy matrix, would you stop them? And if they do opt out, would would stop the new low status people from doing the same? It almost sounds inevitable that status would cease once low status people are able to artificially opt out.

[@RadicalAlignment]

They would still be low status in the eyes of everyone else, and treated as such

[@TomTWalker]

I'm pretty much in agreement with your points, but I can't share this this video with others because of a couple of devisives topics that are stated as absolutes -- such as anti-vaxxers being primarily housewives looking for meaning. There may be truth to that. I don't know. But given its devisiveness, it needs to be stated in more gentle terms and with less assuredness, or presented with indisputable evidence to back it up. Otherwise it is written off as toxic conjecture and casts doubt on the rest of the video. Even if true and defendable (which it may be), the way it is presented alienates housewives and has the appearance of stereotyping them. I don't think that was your intention, but it is the perception. Also the thing about the wife getting status with her husband's permission to use the credit card -- I get what you're saying, but it comes across as if that may be primarily how women get their status. These misperceptions of what you are saying limits your audience growth. Unless those are perceptions that feed your goal, in which case you are purposely cultivating a specific type of audience?

[@RadicalAlignment]

I'm just calling it like I see it. Fringe conspiracy theories don't really deserve to hold equal space as more thoughtful positions. It's also an empirical fact that anti-vaxxers will virtue signal when their children get sick and die. This is not a position that deserves empathy. It's similar to moms of autistic kids who use their children for their own status, rather than what's in the best interest of the child. If you choose not to share it because your friends and family are going to be triggered... well that's not my problem.

[@TomTWalker]

​@@RadicalAlignment Thank you for responding. My intention was to offer constructive feedback on potential reasons why some viewers might hesitate to share the video. I suggested approaches for conveying the same information in a manner that might be perceived as less polarizing. I follow your content because you come across as thoughtful and reasonable. However, the remarks I highlighted seemed to be delivered in a way that contradicts that perception. If expanding your audience is among your objectives, then this feedback might be particularly relevant. Of course, it's possible that your goals differ from what I've assumed. Thanks.

[@josephjacobshagen5108]

Can you do a video on why there are more atheist progressives and conservative Christians?

[@andrewr311]

Small thing: It's not pronounced eemoo, but eemyou

[@RadicalAlignment]

Hmmm never heard that. Where is it pronounced that way? Locally in Australia?

[@andrewr311]

@@RadicalAlignmentyes

[@INTELLIGENCE_Revolution]

Another Aussie - can confirm. eemYOU

[@RadicalAlignment]

I'm a southerner in America and there are emu farms in my state. We all say emoooo 😜

[@yoananda9]

wow I'm so bad at this game

[@rickr937]

If fighting human nature is pointless because it creates unstable systems the what are ur thoughts on monogamy and marriage? I would think men are predisposed to have multiple partners therefore the whole marriage institution is flawed as it is now.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Some people are naturally monogamous, and some aren't. The institution of marriage (law, etc) is a patriarchal system designed to treat women as property. It works for some people, but prescribing it as the One True Way is idiotic

[@rickr937]

@@RadicalAlignment I think it did start as a system to treat women as property but has evolved into so much more. It mainly benefits women. That's why they are mainly the ones after it when a relationship goes for many years without any paperwork signed. Do u really think most mean are monogamous by nature tho? I think we are naturally polygamous but most simply can't be due to a lack of status and resources as described in the video

[@Ianstudent]

I don't usually like to think in these terms, but has anyone else had the thought that this type of economy would be absolutely detrimental to men specifically? If your value proposition to society is mostly creative/entertainment/attention/status related I really want to believe that that sounds amazing, but I can't help but observe that these mediums produce some of the most unequal success distributions. And that's going to be way more pronounced for men, no?

[@bollweevil8112]

Social status is generally unhealthy for most of us since most people aren’t “high status “. Therefore, logically, equality is what we should be striving for “It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” Jiddu Krishnamurti

[@Gmcmil720science]

Good point, i agree. Right now we are lacking in equality.

[@RadicalAlignment]

This is low status cope, sorry

[@Gmcmil720science]

@@RadicalAlignment why do you think so. I understand not having total equality but a basic standard should be good. Basic education is a good example that we have currently.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Providing equal education to everyone is in no way related to status.

[@AHMEDGAIUSROME]

You're forgetting our inner innate tendencies, male-female and race differences. even though most of the stuff are common to all humans

[@psikeyhackr6914]

The Laws of Physics do not give a damn about the psychological nonsense going on in people's heads. Marketing is about manipulating that psychological nonsense. Economists are too stupid to evaluate the products and figure out planned obsolescence. Where is the data on the annual depreciation of automobiles since Sputnik? *The Screwing of the Average* (1974) Man by David Hapgood

[@codfather6583]

Back in the day, i bet you won the status game by breaking the meta with playing a dwarf rogue in 2'nd

[@RadicalAlignment]

Lol. No, high charisma bard

[@codfather6583]

😄@@RadicalAlignment

[@luigikelty2847]

Promo`SM

[@ballmoniyy]

Post in parts?

[@wonseoklee80]

Social status game is dumb. I’m sad that human value over AI should be based on this stupid social status game.

[@david-zahniser]

Love the normal content, but this is where Gen X’ers start to sound like Alpha Males. I’m almost certain that the only people that will care about status in 50 years are going to be losers. Just live your life bro. Compete in things if you want to, but judging yourself as “low status” and feeling shame just seems ridiculous.

[@RadicalAlignment]

I'm a millennial. But also, this sounds like sigma cope lol.

[@ganj666]

Status games are definitely a part of human nature. But so are defecation, murder, cruelty. Similar with art, cooperation, and empathy. Why would we choose to center culture on status games? Our lower nature is something to be overcome, not deified.

[@RadicalAlignment]

Do you "overcome" your need to eat?

[@ganj666]

@@RadicalAlignment yes - sometimes I'm hungry, but instead choose to focus on something I deem more important. It's not an either or; it's a matter of what to focus on.

[@taziir443]

Dave: Status games… Europeans: Man, America is f***ed up.

[@hendrx]

This is not exclusive to America, for instance non white refugees are definitely considered low status where I live in Germany

[@moastray5093]

@@hendrx i live in colombia and here evrithing is burning in flames like if we are in the hell, is not a place/country in the world but all the world who is fucked up

[@bayleybomber]

I was really enjoying your work until i discovered you're a pro vaxxer.