Rising Up: Season 4 at a Glance - Juri

I don't think VT2 is that bad to be honest but VT1 is very clearly better to me.
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[@kford9271]

"I'd be pretty pissed if I was a Juri main." Nah, we got over that a long time ago. Capcom hates us. We've accepted that.

[@superbaralai]

If you feel like they hate you that is more your problem. I am a Vega main and I have no reason to think the similar. While Juri isn't terrible as said in the video it was a real fucking shame to waste the chance to make her less fucking clunky to play.

[@Copperhell144]

@@superbaralai Vega got both buffs and new things to play around with in this patch, of course you no longer have a reason to think the similar.

[@M4TTYN]

say it brother but i miss SF 4 juri and ibuki they were more fun i SF 4 to the good SF 4 characters that didn't make the cut are a major miss capcom damn you *but hey Tekken x SF still a thing we can hope*

[@Ichithix]

There are lot of things I think they could potentially change without making the character too good. -fix the flickering hit box on her DP -improve her fuha store. Bigger hit box so it doesn't whiff as easy, make semi reliable as an anti-air, increase the damage slightly (since they walked back the improved damage on her releases) -make her crouching hard punch lose or trade less often. -give her three different ex fuhas. Ex light release (lk+mk) would be an improved fireball, maybe it doesn't dissipate, maybe it has a taller hit box and interacts with other fireballs. Ex med release (lk+hk) would be a true overhead. Ex hard release (mk+hk) stays the same. If she had better ex moves, it might make VT2 more attractive. -keep cranking up the meter steal from VT2 until people go 'oh, shit' when it activated. If it's not scary it's not high enough. Or make it add a frame or two of startup to your opponent's moves. Or at the very least give the effect more range. Something. Anything.

[@apa123APA]

JMp is really good as a jumpin button, beating alot of AA jab nonsense that might work still against her jumpHK. With the TC it always combos into crHP into whatever. It's whatever, no one asked for this and no one thinks much of it. VT2 air combo is restricted to the lowest juggle potential possible, as it only combos into EX moves or CA. They still didn't fix any of the numerous issues this VT have that make it completely pointless. There's no reason to be pissed off as a Juri main, since we got that out of the system in 3.5 already when they did this exact same shit. Now they even outright tell us to keep playing the same. She's not in any horrible position by any means, albeit lower half of the midtiers, but the worst shit about this routine now is that we've been playing the exact fucking same for 2 years, and this new VT is utter trash and gives her nothing interesting to do. That's what sucks so hard. Balance patches happen, the Sakuras gets 2 pages of buffs, Karin gets extra HP and VT buffs, Bison gets vskill buffs, everyone's posting what new things their characters get to do, and Juri players are straight up told to keep doing what they were doing before. Again. Prediction: 4.5 they're going to "easy the juggle count" on VT2, so it links to regular DPs and HK fuha and whatever usual followups from there. Due to the stupid amounts of scaling the activation and the extra hit of the VT add, it still means she can't break 260 damage if she spends all her resources on this trash. But then they can say they "buffed" her again, and give her nothing else. Juri's a lost cause and Capcom doesn't give a shit anymore. Only hope at this point is SF6. Also you forgot to mention our yearly fluff buff: HP DP now has 1 extra frame of strike/fireball invincibility. HOT DAMN. Thanks Capcom, this changes everything.

[@ShoryukenTube]

Wow but I did mention that extra frame. It's in the 2nd abigail clip.

[@apa123APA]

@@ShoryukenTube Oop. To be fair I phased out after the TC, since that's really all there was imo. Video could be 20seconds long since the rest is meaningless, VT2 still doesn't exist in the game. I think some dude tried to make a big deal out of that 1 extra frame saying that because of it if she gets jumped in on and tried to DP but got hit out of it, she'll be airborne now and won't eat full ground combos (so if the DP fails at it's job, you don't get hurt as bad? yay). But I don't know why the hell anyone would use the HP DP to anti air, when MP is the one with jumpin invincibility from frame1.

[@StreetFighterWWE]

apa123APA Us Necalli players also feel your pain, even though he’s always been in a better spot then her tier-wise. He gets kicked in the teeth by all these Universal Changes just as hard as she does.

[@fissilewhistle]

Her notes should have just said “removed from game.”

[@nickadt]

That would imply that she ever was in to begin with.

[@LeBlingKing]

Damn, y’all Juri mains have it fucking rough.

[@fissilewhistle]

LeBlingKing Oh, I’m a Bison main, so I made out like a bandit. I’m not masochistic enough to main this poor character.

[@Livingeidolon]

That would be a marked improvement

[@baadshahmiya]

KamektheMagikoopa1 You should be glad that Juri didn't get the "Ken treatment"

[@digitalkid5623]

I was hoping for a ton for Juri. Gladly she isn't my main. I really don't like her VT2 and wish they just change it to something else. Getting all her 3 stocks at the start of a round could've been great. Reducing the push back of her st mp on both hit and block, giving back her VT1 fb from S1 would make her more scary. They could always give her her dive kick and counter back from SF4 and make her DP more consistent for anti-airing.

[@nickadt]

It is insane that Ibuki gets all her stocks--and twice as much--as Juri. Not to mention one EX kunai has as much value in game as all of Juri's stocks combined.

[@Hanma_blood91]

Super pissed. But even more then that I just want to know why? I don't understand how you can look at her and say she's fine? I want capcom to post a juri tutorial showing how to play her correctly since I'm doing it wrong and how she needs no buffs cause she's perfect.

[@yezy1043]

Honestly, at this point I'm just relieved they don't nerf her (apart from the universal stuff)

[@SESauvie]

I feel like the entire end ramble of this video was pointed right at me.

[@ShoryukenTube]

All juri players tbh

[@girdielbohmer2148]

The worts part is, i main Urien. But my kid main Juri, since he´s a begginer, i help him find ways to improve with the character... so i kinda main Juri as well, and i´m double frustrated cause Urien gained nothing new to play with, also.

[@reyemilio00]

These videos are excellent! I look forward to each new character overview. That being said, I was hoping there was some new Juri tech for the recent patch that I might have overlooked, and I'm truly disappointed to find out that she got almost nothing. I still think Juri's a good character, but I was truly hoping for less v-gauge usage from fuhas and chaining in VT1, and/or her fuha stock attack to be given more range (which would help her store fuhas more effectively). But no...She was given a juggle with VT2 that you can't really follow up with anything (the pitiful damage on EX fuha/tensenrin follow-ups don't justify the use of one bar). At this point, we can only be grateful that she wasn't given any character-specific nerfs, but that's hardly comforting considering other lower tier characters like Sakura, Ryu and Alex were given new tools to work with in this same patch.

[@edgarup0]

Not pissed anymore but profound sadness instead.

[@gill9775]

Been using VT2 since it came out. Personally like it better than VT1 VT2 can activate off ALL her ground normals and Fuhajin store attacks. It's +1 on block so if opponent has already activated their you can pull them in off a far reaching normal like stand heavy kick or sweep without fear of VReversal. If the mist only connects she's minus -1 on block but any normal the opponent sticks out can get eaten by her grab. I find it best if you activate on ground hit to target combo launch>Fuhajin store and spend EX qcf kk to push them to the corner to keep block pressure and passively absorb meter. If you get the juggle off VT2 EX qcf is best for corner carry (Plus you will get that bar back regardless. It still need tweaking since the EX moves are the only reliable follow ups off juggle so hopefully another patch does it. Cuz of the way it works VT2 improved my game by helping me focus more on neutral and less on a stylish comeback.

[@juanbravo2965]

I mean.... Ugh.... Whatever she's still badass DAMN IT! I will keep using her!

[@Intrenxic_Dark]

I don't understand their direction with Juri. She's not horrible but, she could've used a few adjustments and they could've made her VT2 actually good for something other than a bullshit combo extender... which you'd be better off with VT1 for that. I'm not a fan of her as a character but, the little I've played of her, I found her pretty fun to use. For some reason, Capcom is completely happy with where she's at and I'm not sure if they even know what they'd do with her even if they wanted to truly buff her a bit. I think all the Juri mains should be cursing Infiltration for winning EVO Japan with her(even though he used Menat for a chunk of the tourney)because I think Cap devs saw that and thought that she was already too good or something. They are probably scared to give her anything else due to that ONE player seeing some success with her.

[@damiens1998]

it's clear they can make characters that have lots of depth and variety, so at this point I don't care anymore. Capcom is bad at this kind of thing. I've been using Ryu and Laura lately. fun fact, juri has a total of 8 plus frames on block.

[@Bafael]

Funniest comment I've read in ages

[@OnyxeBlade]

Yeah Juri got a slap on a wrist level of changes. It's unfortunate but it's also good since I'm not an online warrior

[@jacobyallison]

Floa was pissed lmao

[@antob001]

Surely the jump-in buff can be used as a mixup between that and one arial into low, like Chun in SF4?

[@ShoryukenTube]

Unfortunately only the first hit of jump TC is an overhead. This is true for all 2 hit air normals in SFV.

[@apa123APA]

It's a true blockstring, nah. Might mean she gets easier fuzzy guard kills off this though. The biggest deal in my opinion is that you can bait delay tech with neutral jump and jMP has a really low hitbox so it can catch the tech with a full jumpin combo better than her other buttons. And due to the huge hit/blockstun the TC gives, you get guaranteed crHP combos.

[@ShoryukenTube]

True blockstring doesn't prevent low/overhead mixup from working actually, you can test this with any 2 hit overhead (like ryu f+MP)

[@apa123APA]

@@ShoryukenTube Derp. I ain't ever played Ryu tho to know these things! Gotta test the fuzzy guard thing later. But I guess if you can block the 2nd hit low, it wouldn't work then. EDIT: Well tested it, and it would work great if you were forced to block the 2nd hit high too. But since you can crouch block, it doesn't really work. Sucks.

[@kumaSOevl]

Yesssss

[@TulpaVision]

You didn't do her HK FUHA into VT2 she get juggles from that even Super

[@ShoryukenTube]

Oops, I tested first hit only. But I imagine 1st hit xx trigger is always better than 2nd hit xx trigger.

[@TulpaVision]

@@ShoryukenTube do HK FUHA let the Second hit hit then xx VT2 xx Dp, or Ex FUHA, or Super (Which does 518 dmg I believe)

[@ShoryukenTube]

Just tested it, and as predicted, just doing a 2 hit st. MK into VT2 always does more damage than a combo to 2 hit HK fuha xx trigger. The fact that the HK fuha knocks down means that you can't go into her grounded combos, which do more damage and still lead to things like EX fuha or super.

[@TulpaVision]

@@ShoryukenTube got it

[@nickadt]

Capcom has a similar relationship to Juri as Infiltration had to his ex.

[@Zeroforce14]

Juri is perfect now

[@kumaSOevl]

First

[@Onewolf101]

Nothing wrong with her, everyone is variable now just put in work

[@apa123APA]

No one said there was anything particularly wrong (outside all the stupid shit with her standHK hitbox not moving, the universal VT activation scaling ruining her entire concept with her long VT combos, VT2 being beyond pointless COUGH). The sad problem is, Juri players watch every balance patch everyone else get gifted with buffs left and right that they might or might not even need, while she's got next to no meaningful changes since s2, only major change being that her fireball lasts longer. Most all her buffs are just minor quality of life changes. Her combo paths remain the exact same, but they're more restricted now due to the universal scaling changes to VT and CC. Over the 2 years, Juri has only got more boring to play since doing anything cool with her is a waste of meter. Juri's the kid at christmas parties who the parents forgot to get presents for. Every year. We wanna be a part of this party too and not just watch from the sidelines as Capcom throws a new costume at us and calls it a day.

[@nickadt]

He says as top players are switching up mains every season.

[@Hanma_blood91]

Don't listen to him. He's just mad that I body him even though he plays Rashid, akuma, and birdie. Maybe you should learn bison next

[@Onewolf101]

@@Hanma_blood91 👀👀👀 i never lie