Rivian Gains Access To The Tesla Supercharger Network! My First Charging Experience

[@dustintravis8791]

You just plugged it in and it just worked - that's a SC for you.

[@evtruth]

Hopefully this will force EA to up their reliability game!

[@dustintravis8791]

@@evtruth I wouldn't hold my breath 😂 I am curious though if EA will actually get NACS adapters deployed by the end of 2025 like they say they will.

[@TheAutumnNetwork]

@@dustintravis8791 I would put money on it that they won't.

[@tboneforreal]

@@evtruth I agree. We need healthy competition. Having Tesla with a monopoly over DCFC would be a terrible outcome.

[@tiberiusrobustus]

As a tesla owner, I say welcome to the network. I support the company because they support the transition to sustainable energy, and so do I.

[@DavidC1]

Battery cars require more mining and Enviornmental destruction than gas cars

[@tiberiusrobustus]

That's laughable, how many tons of petroleum need to be fracked out of the US to run your gas car@@DavidC1 ?

[@TyLamb]

The lithium is 98% recyclable so the next car I get will only require 2% more lithium to make. But you are wrong about the mining from the git go. If you 200,000 miles on a car and you get 20 miles a gallon you'll need 10,000 gallons of gas. You'll need 20,000 gallons of oil to make that gas. I didn't look this up but I'm pretty sure that 1,500 pounds of lithium takes less to mine that 20,000 barrals of oil. @@DavidC1

[@TyLamb]

I want to say welcome but when I pull up and there are 4 Rivian/fords charging and they are taking up 8 spots because they didn't park next to each other....... We Shall See...

[@tiberiusrobustus]

Honestly there's so many more Tesla's than all the others combined that it probably won't be a big deal. Plus, it's not like Tesla is gonna stop installing more chargers. The New York factory is mass producing superchargers for quick installation, this is a net good for all of us and I'm here for it. @@TyLamb

[@GuamanianHarmonLoop]

Thanks!

[@chengcao418]

So Tesla shows that the plug&charge handshake and isolation check doesn't need to take a minute and a half, lol

[@TechnicalLee]

Correct, most of these CCS chargers are just dumb and slow. 15 seconds should be plenty of time to do the checks.

[@jysmtl]

RAN chargers also do immediate handshake.

[@victor-nogueira]

Parking is going to be way easier for Polestar, with the port being at the rear left. Can't wait to try it on mine!

[@The1Mischief]

You'll have absolutely no issues picking a spot. It's going to SUCK for everyone that doesn't have their CCS port on the rear driver side / front passenger side

[@ryancarlson1494]

Nice! Wish I saw more Polestars on the road!

[@Scoopta]

As a fellow polestar owner I wonder how this is going to work for payment though. So far both ford and rivian are using plug-n-charge but afaik the PS2 doesn't have plug-n-charge support right now. Hopefully that will come in a software update but if I have to make a tesla account and activate via the tesla app that's gonna suck.

[@MarkEichin]

I was going to say mine works with the evgo thing, but dug a bit and that's "autocharge" - which just uses the (spoofable) identifier and doesn't do the cryptographic exchange that plug-n-charge does. @@Scoopta

[@petehelme7714]

Rivian didn't have ISO 15118 plug & charge either up until this Tesla deal. I imagine Polestar and Volvo will implement it as well for access.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

On the “you can’t charge here!” - there are a ton of Tesla owners who don’t even realize that (until this month) non-Tesla’s _couldn’t_ charge at Superchargers.

[@tomsproet6972]

In Europe all tesla chargers are open to non teslas. But here tesla was also forced to have ccs2 on their cars and chargers. Still feels weird when I pull up in my vw

[@Triathlete5551]

What do you mean? every Tesla owner knew this, they have all seen the poorly engineered charging ports of Non-Tesla EV's, they are all a joke.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@Triathlete5551 Most people that own Tesla vehicles aren’t Tesla “enthusiasts.” Most are owned by average people who treat them the same way an average person treats a Toyota Camry or a Ford Edge. It’s a vehicle to drive around in. I would say less than half even realize non-Tesla EVs use a different charge port. (I’ve seen very confused Tesla drivers at CCS stations before, as well as very confused CCS vehicle owners at Supercharger locations. I’ve even seen Tesla owners trying to help non-Tesla owners charge at a Supercharger, confused as to why the cable doesn’t fit. I’ve been at a Rivian station, where a non-Rivian pulled up, plugged in - it didn’t work. And another Rivian owner was trying to help them when I walked up and let them both know that Rivian’s chargers don’t work on non-Rivians (yet) - and the other Rivian owner told them “Oh, there’s another station I use all the time across the street, try that one!” It was a Supercharger. No, the confused person’s Kia wouldn’t charge there, either. I showed them how to use their vehicle navigation to find a compatible station, as well as PlugShare and Chargeway.) And the CCS _Port_ isn’t the problem. Sure, it’s slightly less good than the NACS port. But EA simply swapping the end of the cable from CCS to NACS won’t magically fix EA’s terrible maintenance problem.

[@evtruth]

Interesting. As a Tesla owner I've only had to call out a Ford Explorer and an RV towing a vehicle (blocked 8 or so chargers), haha.

[@mikeselectricstuff]

If the pilot signal disappears I'd expect it would cut the charge current via the charge current control before opening the contactors to avoid contact wear/arcing. Could be that there is a fallback to open contactors a short time later in case of a fault causing problems controlling current.

[@HenryLoenwind]

If the pilot signal (CP) disappears, it (usually) means someone has pulled the plug and is pulling an arc between the plug and charge port, someone ripped the cable from the dispenser and is pulling an arc there, or someone is cutting the cable. All of these are cases where dropping the contacts is the right thing to do. CS would indicate that the button was pushed; then a "slow" shutdown makes sense. However, CS isn't available on the plug, so it wouldn't even be an option if the chargers needed to honour it.

[@allendavid4139]

Much appreciated the short video which had all the info anybody could conceivably wish for

[@KentBuchla]

Yes, OoS does better when they script outlines in advance and do some editing. Their videos have become too long and unfocused.

[@LemironStarling]

This is the video I have been waiting for to see how the R1T's first charging experience, Thanks once again Kyle for the EV content we need.

[@jakeacim]

Kyle - please do a follow up video on the Tesla Charge Your Other EV App -- membership and how to connect it to the Rvian App - when it becomes available. I can't see why there wouldn't be a way for Rivian and Tesla to open their apps for connecting the Tesla membership pricing. Thanks!

[@davidbrannon3414]

Buc ee's in Johnstown opened today and the new Tesla super charger appears to be on-line as it's showing up in the Tesla App now. Looks like you need to try that one as it's probably close to Fort Collins

[@777Outrigger]

And it has a Magic Dock too.

[@bradfordsparks329]

I read that only about half of the Tesla chargers are actually installed of the 20 that were planned.

[@mtnmecca_ej]

Latest Tesla SC station opened yesterday in Colorado and the station is oriented more in the middle of the lane. Rivian will fit without blocking neighboring lane but tire is mostly in other lane but still on the line. This is the farthest I could move the Rivian and still charge. Can't include pic here. Older stations (like in Kyle's vid) have the station more to the passenger side of the lane (orientation is front bumper facing in) so with these stations blocking two spots is the only option. This will cause user conflicts. I have both Rivian and Tesla and am excited and pissed at the same time. 1. Tesla opened the network (very positive) 2. Rivian will provide an adapter (positive). 3. Lack of planning on implementation will cause user conflicts (very negative)

[@lemongavine]

Have Out of Spec Dave test it. He loves Buc ees

[@grahamballard7364]

If they wanted to preserve passenger side charge port for curb charging then they should have put the charge port in the front passenger side. Then you would be on the correct side for both supercharger and curbside

[@mjpk987]

Another solution is to have two charge ports like Audi and Porsche have. Costly but arguably best.

[@HarveyPayne]

RJ said it is on the back to make the cables shorter. Note the R2/R3 will have a rear drive only option.

[@PassportBrosBusinessClass]

You are super fast when it comes to reviewing these EV. Great work.

[@KentBuchla]

Because this is easy and lazy content to blast out.

[@JSilv3r]

​@KentBuchla you're new here it shows, don't be ignorant

[@jasoningram9928]

I appreciate how you finished up with "no one should be upset with this". Tesla charging is such an advantage for EV's.

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

Good the Tesla super chargers are open to all, hope the manufactures start putting NACS charge ports on their EV's soon in the ideal location to use super chargers properly.

[@evtruth]

Most (all?) manufacturers have committed to NACS for 2025+ model year.

[@RedlineR1S]

So envious of your network in Colorado. We're so far behind in Minnesota. It boggles my mind why.

[@James-wz5qo]

As a MN R1T owner I totally agree. Such a shame. But this will help a lot. Especially for the Brainerd Lakes area. That Olivia Casey's Tesla station will be busy.

[@RedlineR1S]

@@James-wz5qo We have a blace on the Whitefish Chain....It does indeed help, but I wish the Little Falls or Baxter location were able to. Holiday in Baxter has a 180kwh charger coming soon, that should totally fix any issues I have.

[@James-wz5qo]

Of course I meant Onamia and not Olivia. :) I even went to the head of EV charging at Circle K to get some insight into when that 4 stall, 180 KW build will be completed in Baxter. He said when the weather gets nice they will get it up and going but no real timeframe I could have him commit to. I assume no earlier than maybe mid summer but they have really started hammering some out here in MN, which is so welcomed. The Baxter Tesla supercharger is only 150KW so I knew that would not be open to us but you are correct the Little Falls one should!! @@RedlineR1S

[@BTSflyer]

Wasn't GM the second company to switch to NACS? I wonder when GM will be able to use superchargers.

[@ChicagoBob123]

Hopefully never. Bolts are too slow

[@royaltyallen1162]

​@@ChicagoBob123 fatherless opinion

[@anthonyc8499]

GM is completely silent on the Tesla Supercharger thing. It's so weird.

[@azimmer328gaming8]

Hopefully soon I have a tesla and my sister has a bolt that we were hoping would gain acess already.

[@PMD220S]

​@anthonyc8499 that's because most of their new ultimate cars are down for service...😂

[@gelisob]

8:39 pilot signal interrupt is not violent. Charger gets signal to stop providing power and it with car disconnects contactors. They are not under load while doing it, because pilot disconnect told car and charger to stop.

[@Bee-nu7is]

Make a flywheel generator for on the road n go travel.

[@billwolff6582]

Does this mean Teslas can now use the Rivian Network as well. Seems only fair. They (Rivian chargers)are on the Blueridge Parkway and no Tesla superchargers to be found. Would be nice.......

[@PurpleSideBlack]

I charged on a new 350KW Electrify Canada CCS1 4-stall station with my Tesla Model 3 LR using the official Tesla to CCS1 adapter. It worked well, but it wasn't faster than a V2 (150kw) Supercharger because my car is 400A/400V nominal. I did see a higher peak rate (191kw) than V2 Supercharging, but I compared that session to another session on a supercharger where I started around the same (23%) and went to 80%-85%. The average charge speed was nearly the same and infact, it was slower on the 350KW. If I had a 1000V vehicle, the 350 would for sure be faster. It was interesting and I'm glad I have more options. My point of posting was that even though I was the only person in the 4-stall CCS1 station, I still felt a little out of place with my Tesla, especially when 3 minutes down the road, there's a V2 Supercharger. I just wanted to try my adapter and the new charger. We don't have alot of chargers in my province.

[@coded1gaming989]

You should find someone with a Focus electric 2017/2018 with ccs and see if it works with supercharging. I'm sincerely just curious lol

[@Riverrain123]

nice tesla keeps winning!

[@Yormsane]

9:34 Still only one Electrify America DC charging site down here in prehistoric Colorado Springs, I'm beginning to give up hope of us ever getting a second one.

[@henrylee8510]

The Springs, a bastion for Right Wingers so maybe you'll have to wait.

[@LastMumzy]

Same in Memphis. There is one Electrify America station that has four stations of which at least one or two are always down for maintenance. This is the only Level-3 charger in the entire metropolitan area of over 1.3 million people.

[@Yormsane]

@@LastMumzyJeez, that's appalling. EA needs to get its act together, and roll out a LOT more sites this year.

[@joseluisgonzalezsoto132]

Thanks Kyle for sharing you experience on your Rivian. As a VW ID4 driver every week I see a Tesla charging at EA and think: why they can charge everywhere but there is a lot of walls to every others EVs charge at Tesla Superchargers? What do you think about it?

[@Mgn1701]

Thank you! I was getting so confused because I didn’t want to wait for the adapter roll out. I wanted to buy my own adapter and now I know what to get.

[@jordondlc]

Would be interesting to know any charging limitations when using the Tesla chargers and whether they are a dongle limitation, Tesla-provider limitation, or vehicle limitation. I want my next car to be an EV but am trying to wait until NACS is the default port in the manufactured EVs.

[@TechnicalLee]

The only real limitation is the voltage, they only put out about 500V, so 800V cars can't charge on them unless they have an on-board booster or a series/parallel switch in their battery pack. 400V cars should get maximum output from a Supercharger.

[@kengarrett2211]

like how integrated the rivian software is so you can use the supercharger. opens a whole new world for rivian owners

[@BremboT]

Interesting to see Rivian get access before GM. If memory serves, it was Ford first, then GM to announce Tesla integration. Will Lucid be next in line? Stay tuned.

[@boballison123123]

Good video. Do know if Tesla owner will get access to the Rivian charging network?

[@MaticTheProto]

probably

[@SuperUbuntudude]

Just a thought if Rivian is building a new vehicle and it's only the matter of moving the port to the opposite side that they've chosen, wouldn't it make more sense to switch sides wouldn't it be less stress on the drivers? I don't understand the reasoning of having the port on the opposite side in a Tesla, is it just to prove that they're different? They already have a very nice vehicle. They have an opportunity to just switch one small thing that could make a big difference for each user. They should really reconsider their placement. I'm pretty sure that other manufacturers will do the same time. Only time will tell.

[@dougdrummonds7406]

At least in the East, taking an extra spot won’t really be a problem for now at V3 locations. Most people charge for less than 20 minutes and you don’t have to worry about sharing a stall. If Tesla opened up the V2 chargers as well, I would be much more concerned, as I usually have to wait for these as it is, and taking up double-spaces would cause big issues. Overall, I’m happy to see a better charging experience open up for more people!

[@TechnicalLee]

V2s will not be opened up because they don't support the protocols. They would have to be upgraded to V3 or V4 first.

[@InkSpot101]

Nice to see this happening in NA. In EU it was bit different as it was the older model s and x needing the CCS adapter to be able to charge at any DC charger including v3 superchargers but opening up the superchargers to other brands was trivial as every v3 in EU is CCS only.

[@JackDalton-o8w]

Couple questions... How do I get my NACS DC adapter? And what's that hard top you got? I'm looking for a hard top for my R1T. I prefer fully enclosed to protect my GPR equipment, but looking at every option atm. Thanks again for another great video!!! 👍👍

[@brandenflasch]

Curious if the 500A is just a response to the vehicle request

[@ThunderandLightningEvPickup]

Most likely. Considering the software integration in the Rivian app and also the Tesla app in communication with the actual charger. It’s probably telling the station exactly how much amperage to deliver. It would know an adapter is being used because the information about the vehicle including what vehicle it is what kind of charge port it has is all there. In the future when adapters are no longer needed it may well be able to request that full 700 A and possibly even bump the charging up into the high 200s low 300 range.

[@brandenflasch]

@@ThunderandLightningEvPickup Not on current R1 vehicles - they are physically limited to 500A.

[@TechnicalLee]

I think Tesla will limit it to 500A so they don't exceed the adapter rating. At least initially. What vehicles besides Teslas can draw more than 500A anyway?

[@brandenflasch]

@@TechnicalLee none.

[@Rusty1220]

Great job, on doing the charging videos.

[@christopherquinn4120]

I live between Philly and NYC… only a few Tesla chargers show on Rivian app in these massive metro markets. I hope this expands to include most or all Tesla chargers over the year.

[@itsTenVi]

tesla has a permit request for v4 install near me. so im pretty excited for that. v4 will have native magic doc on it and the extended cables. so in distant future nacs will be the only thing but for now its going to be ccs adapters wonder if in future manufactures will come out will a valinatry recall and retrovit/rewire for nacs ports which would be cool i know its a little bit complicated but it would probably be better off

[@TechnicalLee]

Retrofitting NACS will be too expensive. The adapter is FAR cheaper. So don't expect that to happen, you're stuck with the adapter until you get a NACS car.

[@StormyDog]

The proposed charge port location on the R2 and R3 is even worse. Pretty much a fail. 😞

[@evtruth]

Since those vehicles are two years out from delivery hopefully they'll make a design tweak.

[@StormyDog]

@@evtruth I hope so. The CEO is defending the crazy position though.

[@MrGMawson2438]

Cheers Kyle and Alyssa

[@ZenEndurance]

You parked over the line. UNSUBSCRIBED.

[@djcoalcut9399]

😂😂😂

[@jhamp1286]

😂😂😂

[@thomasbonse]

K, bye Felicia.

[@se6730]

That is the way!

[@ms-jl6dl]

And he misgendered the charger,arrest him.

[@johnh7592]

Your ability to milk a single paragraph of information into a 21 minute novel is absolutely mind blowing

[@universeisundernoobligatio3283]

If the KZbin skit is not long enough there is no payout from KZbin.

[@matt4dams]

Contractor test. Specifically, use as a remote workspace and power station for power tools, welders, etc.

[@jjmarogil]

Can someone explain a couple things. Tesla is not opening all their chargers at least not all their chargers show up in the app as compatible. Are these physically incompatible or just locked out and are Tesla exclusive charging locations? I heard some talk about them actually working still but I don’t know if this is true.

[@Uchejnr]

they are physically incompatible so likely to be like v1/v2 charging stations. I also think Tesla will only really open up the less busy areas to reduce overcrowding. So yeah it will never be EVERY supercharging station, just your newly built v4's and v3's in less busy areas. If you go to "Tesla find us" on google, you can filter through the different supercharging stations.

[@miodice3]

Love to see this. Do wonder if Tesla underwrote the many customers that have had bad experiences and are now able to purchase next vehicles from other mfgs and not lose the supercharger network access? I for one would highly doubt another Tesla is my next car and am extremely excited to really look at ford and anyone else that will be coming online with the network

[@JoeKForReal]

Very cool stuff and also very exciting! Why are so many Tesla Super Chargers NOT available for Rivian/Ford, etc?

[@thiseye]

Older superchargers may not be compatible and some might just be kept for exclusivity. There was some conjecture that they're prioritizing opening up to other brands where they're less busy and/or there's no alternative DC fast charging provider

[@TechnicalLee]

V2s can't talk CCS protocol, and the rest of the V3s are sort of a mystery. Probably Tesla wanting to reserve them for their own customers or other legal stipulations.

[@DavidC1]

how is this good for tesla owners?

[@sanctred]

It’s not. I’m sure it’s good for Te$la though making money from these other manufactures for no additional investment.

[@annabbott1963]

GM EV owner here . Rivian skipped the line. GM was the 2nd to announce. Any word when we will get our turn?

[@oregonziggy2391]

Same also a GM EV owner. GM better announce somerthing soon. GM was supposed to be second.

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

GM has almost no compatible vehicles on the road. They aren’t saying the Bolt can use it, only the Ultium-platform. Which have almost not vehicles on the road yet. Yes, it sucks for those who *DO* have one; the only thing I can think of is that Rivian kicked in more $$$.

[@annabbott1963]

@@AnonymousFreakYT interesting do you have a link to GM saying the Bolts and Bolt EUV won't be getting adapters?

[@jasons7044]

Announcement to public yes, but who knows when deals were made behind closed doors

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

@@mtnmecca_ej 48kW is better than 10kW.

[@seekerstan]

Extension Cable: Will the extension be a dog bone style with a NACS female and CCS male conector? This would replace the adapter and separate the two sources of resistance heat.

[@rocknrollboy22]

This update doesn’t appear to have been released to everyone just yet. Rivian’s told me to expect to hear from them in April.

[@johnpoldo8817]

Hey Kyle, are you pleased the Rivian has no release button next to its charging port like Ford, MB, and others? When walking away from your Rivian, thieves can’t steal the adapter. The other guys need to implement a software button disable to prevent adapter theft.

[@lawrencemaroun3310]

In terms of the wrong adapter damaging the vehicle, it is theoretically possible. It may not happen, but it's possible that the DC isolation test could expose the onboard charger to voltages that it cannot withstand before either the car or charger detects that anything is wrong. It's hard to say what would happen for sure. I certainly wouldn't try it on my own vehicle. Ideally, the isolation test should gradually ramp up from a low voltage and would cut out the moment any current actually flows. So if that works well enough, nothing should be damaged. But the isolation test might not respond fast enough before any damage is done. The true answer probably depends on what specific car and what specific charger is involved.

[@TechnicalLee]

I need to get my hands on an adapter still to test, but I'm hoping they put a resistor or something in the DC adapter that either the charger or car detects to verify it's a DC adapter before the isolation test starts. I'm sure the engineers would have thought about that happening by someone who didn't know the difference.

[@MrMatt127]

At first I didn't like the idea of non Tesla's charging at the superchargers as a Tesla owner. But, this has really opened up the Rivian's since the charging network really isn't there still so I really like the idea of this being open. My next car is a Rivian R3, already preordered. Hoping it really doesn't take 2 more years for it.. Thanks for the video.

[@jjsjohnson1]

There are no R3 preorders yet. I think you mean you preordered an R2.

[@markmuir7338]

As a Tesla and Rivian owner, I’m happy with this.

[@MrMatt127]

@@jjsjohnson1 yes R2. Mistyped

[@scottray1406]

Love the setup on the truck

[@_Photons]

Loved the EV charging infrastructure in Denver when we lived there, great charger options everywhere.

[@mtnmecca_ej]

True. I’m just used to Tesla superchargers and had assumed incorrectly that all batteries could take a high rate of charge. My road trip in the bolt went from an expected 15 minute wait to 60+ minutes at each stop.

[@TechnicalLee]

Ouch.

[@evtruth]

We have a Tesla Model Y and I've been talking to Lightning and R1T owners for a while about how Supercharger network access will be a game changer for non-Tesla EVs. Hopefully it will force EA to up their reliability game! Exciting times!!!

[@keco185]

People will just need to learn that if they're driving a Tesla to park toward the left and if they're driving a vehicle with a front driver/rear passenger port then park toward the right

[@lanceareadbhar]

True, but it doesn't matter when it's mostly empty like in the video.

[@Jazzynupe1911]

Yeah Tesla's should fill in left to right... Non-tesla right to left using empty space next to right most charger if possible. None of this matters if V4 dispenser is available

[@keco185]

@@lanceareadbhar normally people like parking in every other spot which means it only needs to reach 1/2 full before non-teslas can’t park there

[@ZipZoomZip]

Non-Tesla can still charge when cars are filling up alternating chargers, as long as they have a charge port in a compatible location like Polestar and, from what I understand, Ford (once they have native Tesla charge ports in 2025)@@keco185

[@TechnicalLee]

Yes, this advice needs to be shared until it becomes common sense etiquette for the majority Tesla and non-Tesla drivers alike. If everybody does it right there's only one wasted spot then.

[@Eric-xp1kl]

Kyle, some quick math... basically, if you're road tripping, and say you "fill up" with 80 kWh. The Tesla membership would most likely break even on 1 charge with a Rivian. So if you're going to take a 500 or 1000-mile trip, membership would be worth it. At least for me...

[@thomasjacques5286]

Does Rivian plan to move the charge port? Does the Tesla Nav takes this into account and displays the reduced number of stalls that are actually available. 3 non-Tesla's at a normal 8-stall station leave only 2 stalls open for other EV's. That CCS plug is insanely LARGE.

[@BijanJamshidi]

Tesla's V4 stalls solve this issue with a 10FT charging cable (IIRC)

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

The R2 and R3 will have their charge port on the rear passenger’s side. Rivian has expressed zero indication to change it from the “front left” corner when pulled into a charge station. Tesla is the one opening up their network, it’s on them to adapt to be more usable for other vehicles, as there is no standardized location. The V4 dispensers to have a longer cord so should reach across a vehicle. (Heck, Rivian’s own RAN stations are designed expecting a “front left” port - they’d have to redesign their own stations to accommodate a “front right” port. Why would they make their own charge network unusable to accommodate charging at someone else’s charge network?)

[@jeffs6090]

I feel that all manufacturers should update their placement of charge ports. When they start making their vehicles with native NACS ports, they should put them either in the front passenger side or the rear driver's side. Charge ports can literally go anywhere on a vehicle without much or any change in the frame or construction of the vehicle. That is very different from a gas tank in an ice vehicle which can only be where it was designed to be. Plus, there can be multiple ports. Rivian, for example, can even keep the CCS on the front left and add a NACS port on the right.

[@lanceareadbhar]

I would hope people wouldn't alternate spots like that. 7 non-Tesla's can take up 8 spots. I can see additional charges being added if it is an issue when the lot is full. Not an issue when it's empty like in the video.

[@wonderboy75]

It’s not as big an issue as Tesla owners make it out to be! In Europe Teslas chargers has been open for a while. Not a huge problem with cars with different placement. Btw 5 Rivians in a row would still be able to only use 5 (or 6) chargers if they all park next to each other.

[@jamesdiserio4020]

Do you think an electric truck or SUV will ever come with solar MPPT input plugs in the bed? Wouldnt that be cool to plug some foldable panels into at a camp site and live indefinitely off grid at a camp site? Do the compact solar generators make that an expense not worth incorporating? My driveway is in the sun. I could let it trickle charge all the time.

[@markmuir7338]

I’ve considered this. Currently the only way to charge is via J1772 and the onboard charger. Unfortunately the lowest power J1772 can accept is around 1.2kW, which is beyond what few solar panels could fit over the bed would be capable of delivering consistently. Realistically you would need a large camping battery bank to collect the solar power, then use the Rivian mobile adapter to charge from that battery. The onboard charger is very inefficient at such low power, so realistically this will just offset the phantom drain. Covering a camper trailer with solar panels would be more realistic, but you’re talking ~2 weeks to fully charge the Rivian’s battery.

[@TechnicalLee]

Look at the Aptera, it's the only EV efficient enough to have some hope of that actually working. You would need a huge solar grid to support a R1T after accounting for sun angle and clouds because it takes so much energy. It would take weeks to fully charge with anything you could pack in its bed. You would need a trailer to haul your solar array, which would take up even more energy.

[@JackMediaComments]

I hope all the people excited for the Tesla network have loads of fun and stop using the CCS network. I've been so lucky using mostly EA back and forth across the country and if normies just go to Tesla chargers now it'll be nice to avoid them all and have less congestion but we'll see.

[@markmuir7338]

A few years ago I made the mistake of going on a roadtrip on Thanksgiving. There was a queue of 50 Teslas at the supercharger. But in the same parking lot there were two 50kW ChargePoint stalls, so I skipped the line and plugged in there with my ChaDeMo adapter. Someone else quickly followed, but luckily I chose the one working stall - the other refused to connect 😂

[@777Outrigger]

Tesla Supercharger at the new Colorado Buc ees in Johnstown is now open. And it has Magic Dock.

[@stangman962]

So exactly how will you charge with a trailer attached???

[@PumpUptheJam81]

You use a pull though or you disconnect the trailer.

[@stangman962]

@@PumpUptheJam81 Have you ever pulled a trailer with a truck? Decreased range when towing, then where do you put your trailer to charge without the trailer being stolen or broken into?

[@geraldlanderos9342]

any update on the Supercharger extension cable?

[@walterbooth534]

You seem to be obsessed with the supercharger networks. So this is my question. Do you suggest using them regularly, or just for road trips?

[@lylestavast7652]

there's probably a materials issue with the adapter that physically requires no more A than 500 for safety reasons....

[@davidreadbikes]

Kyle, at some point can you do a video on 3rd party adapters? Thanks

[@TechnicalLee]

That's more Tom's forte over at State of Charge. He has videos on that.

[@Huolju]

Can’t you use the Tesla app and start a charging session from there directly? That way, you would get the membership waiting for more deep integration.

[@TechnicalLee]

Yes, but the handshake takes much longer because it has to wait for Plug & Charge to timeout first.

[@mtnmecca_ej]

Latest Tesla SC station opened yesterday in Colorado and the station is oriented more in the middle of the lane. Rivian will fit without blocking neighboring lane but tire is mostly in other lane but still on the line. This is the farthest I could move the Rivian and still charge. Can't include pic here. Older stations (like in Kyle's vid) have the station more to the passenger side of the lane (orientation is front bumper facing in) so with these stations blocking two spots is the only option. This will cause user conflicts. I have both Rivian and Tesla and am excited and pissed at the same time. 1. Tesla opened the network (very positive) 2. Rivian will provide an adapter (positive). 3. Lack of planning on implementation will cause user conflicts (very negative)

[@jimparr5412]

Charge point on front passenger side would work the same as back drivers side

[@johnlynch5007]

Kyle. I have not heard any news on the other manufacturers and the native NACS charge port location. Will they move it to diver rear or passenger fount in the future.

[@Jambaman84]

Great video. Are those OEM 22s on your truck? If not, what are you using? They look good!

[@georgev5766]

As a Tesla owner I am excited to see other manufacturers being able to use them. This will create more competition to Tesla. I can now consider other cool vehicles, such as the rivian. I am actually picking up an r1t in about 3 days. And this will make the other charging networks to up their game on charging ease of use. Amazing.

[@davidowlarry]

Would having multiple charge ports on each vehicle be that much of a cost/impact? One on the back and one on the front on the same side of the vehicle takes care of the problem - regardless of which side the auto manufacturer picks.

[@anthonyc8499]

Yeah, it's very pricey to design a pack to have multiple ports and then run HV cabling all the way to the junction box.

[@TechnicalLee]

Adding a second port for AC-only charging is feasible and that's what Porsche does. Would probably add $500 to the cost.

[@HenryLoenwind]

@@TechnicalLeeTIL. And AC is the use case where curb-side charging (i.e. "charging where the car's parked at night") actually makes sense.

[@anthonyc8499]

@@TechnicalLee the problem with a second AC-only J3400 port is that nobody will understand it and everyone will think their car is broken. How would the average person understand that despite having identical NACS ports on both sides of the car, only one side works with one kind of charging?

[@SammyGeek]

I'm reviewing the EV9 now....but secret. My second Rivian in on the way. Might cancel my Cybertruck. Rivian is rocking it hard core!!!

[@Zavarcerealtor]

Official adapter? Rivian hasn't shipped them out yet.

[@TechnicalLee]

He's using the one from Ford which is identical to the Rivian one (Tesla will make all of them).

[@Eyema]

Kyle, would Tesla’s usage of 15118 P&C for Tesla’s and 3rd party OEM vehicles suggest a future plan of for example Rivian’s adventure network using certificate exchange with Tesla roaming network to enable P&C for the Tesla fleet as if at a supercharger? Seems a likely business move to me, especially when they start switching their networks to NACS.

[@bsears693]

I have an interesting thought. F150 & Mach-e ports are way to far back for this to be possible, but rivian MIGHT be able to ( PLEASE TEST) if a rivian pulls as far over (into the "correct" spot for the cable) and pulls as far forward without hitting the stall, MAYBE a tesla could then park SUPER close to the rivian and ALSO stretch the cable to max and the rivian would only take "one" spot I would like to know if its at least possible? p.s. if you own a rivian or ford (or non-native side charging vehicle), and you see another at a supercharger, consider parking next to eachother. 1 rivian would take 2 spots, but 2 rivians would take only 3 spots, and 4 rivians would take 5 spots (if parked adjacent)

[@mtnmecca_ej]

I have Tesla and rivian and need to try parking with charger centered on each vehicle and see if cord reaches to both. If so simple striping change could help eliminate conflicts

[@bsears693]

@@mtnmecca_ej I'd love to hear the outcome!

[@TechnicalLee]

I don't think so. The Rivian is wider than the cable is long, so I don't think it will reach after turning the corner. The Rivian would be over the line on the right side. I'd worry about door dings being that close.

[@mtnmecca_ej]

Just tried latest Tesla supercharger station and the R1S is about 1’ over the line. Could squeeze another car next to me so barely blocking neighboring spot.

[@bsears693]

@@mtnmecca_ej that's great to hear! Hopefully this info can get out to rivian owners to help minimize double parking at crouded SC.

[@wallyj2000]

Hi, Kyle, thanks so much for all your time effort and knowledge on your channel. I just got a 2024 Mercedes-Benz EQ 350+ from what I understand they were supposed to or they already have opened up their charger to Mercedes-Benz. Can you please confirm if I get the adapter? Can I use any Tesla charger or is it only certain ones with the magic dock? Please let me know. Thanks.

[@KevinHarper3DArtist]

This is a game changer, I had a Tesla since 2018 and never considered another car because of the charging network. Now it starts to feel a lot more of an even planefield. I would never buy a car that can only charge on the electrify america network.

[@fifthcircle1]

100% agree. I bought a used model S last summer. I was really interested in the Rivian, but trips and charging were part of my decision. Now, I'll definitely be shopping outside of Tesla for the next one!

[@MadStyle1911]

@@fifthcircle1Not every superchargers will be opened up for Non-Teslas Fyi.

[@CoreyBoling]

"an even playing field"... not "planefield"

[@kagazuki]

woah, it's expensive in the states. it's 14 cents per kw in BC Canada

[@NextGenEvs]

What tires do you have on your Rivian?

[@nateshull113]

These are the Nokian Hakkapeliitta 10 studded winter tires. I run these on one of my vehicles and can confirm they’re amazing tires.

[@mcunha81]

Love this

[@dennislyons3095]

Right now it's only the KZbinrs who have the adapter!

[@JohnoEx]

Rivian got it right with port on passenger side. Funnily enough those of us in RHD markets Tesla also has port on our passenger side!

[@kyle7679]

Are you still required to pay the Tesla monthly subscription? Or is the Tesla setup inside the Rivian? Thanks

[@77Jayevan]

So you have to take 2 Tesla spots to charge?

[@SuperChopperpilot]

Do you know if hyundai will be getting access anytime soon?

[@seanconners1574]

Someone on the Rivian forums said support told them to not realistically expect an official adaptor until next year....big L if true. I was hoping before summer at the latest. Wish i had connections.

[@leebacon3432]

Wait are u not going to expound on costs????

[@scottflowerday7654]

When will Hyundai have access?

[@toddccrawford]

How were you able to get an adapter from Rivian? They told me they are sending them out next month starting with the earliest owners.

[@anthonyc8499]

that might have been the Ford one he is borrowing for a month with the Lightning.

[@KentBuchla]

It’s from Ford. He mentioned that just prior to plugging in.

[@TechnicalLee]

Tesla makes all of them and they're all identical. So it shouldn't matter if you use it on a different brand vehicle than who sent it to you.

[@cwg73160]

Are Tesla parking spaces smaller than normal parking spaces?

[@slick-riq]

It’s strange that rivian didn’t put the charge port on the rear left of the r2 to match the tesla location for optimal parking

[@Radium3D]

Will Rivian reciprocate Tesla's generosity by allowing Tesla owners to charge at Rivian DC fast charge stations with the Tesla CCS adapter? I've noticed Rivian stations completely empty pretty often. Would be a way for them to increase income?

[@lanceareadbhar]

Do they not? I assumed the CCS adapter worked just fine there.

[@Radium3D]

No, Rivian doesn't allow non Rivian vehicles to sign up and charge there. Only their L2 chargers are open.@@lanceareadbhar

[@skyfly200]

Nope ​@lancesbeataxes2901 its just for rivian even though its capable of charging everyone

[@kekdogg]

Yes, it's being opened up

[@anthonyc8499]

Rivian Adventure Network stations open up to all CCS/NACS EVs sometime before the end of 2024.

[@simplygregsterev]

The Rivian must be a beast in the snow and ice with studded Nokians

[@darrenorange2982]

What about the Tesla subscription? Will that lower the price...right now it's more than what a Tesla owner would pay.

[@zeedustrakok]

On charger location: the driver side is always the wrong side. On most parking situations on the street you have to walk on the street to plug it in. Then we fold in the mirrors to avoid them being ran off, but can you imagine how much it will cost to replace it when someone runs it off. In Europe, parallel parking is the norm. And destination chargers are on the streets. That being said, here in Europe the chance of me ever using tesla chargers is very low since there are many other chargers.

[@witteegameapps7031]

Your camerawoman has pretty stable hands. I was expecting a production camera and then saw her holding an iphone without the selfie stick, which usually helps with stability. 👏