Rivian vs Land Rover! Electric vs Combustion Powertrain Control Strategy In Snow

[@zeeptollbooth4129]

Regular winter tires vs studded winter tires are like comparing Day to Night. Studs make a significant difference

[@CallsignVega]

Haha I just made the same comment. Apples to Oranges.

[@zeeptollbooth4129]

@@CallsignVega Ha Ha. Then this tool turns off features that would help the rover but then for the ev he uses a special snow mode leaving all features on plus the studs. What a joke!

[@roccosperanza]

Not always, look at Tyrereviews, stud less can be better in snow than studded and studded only has a small advantage on ice.

[@dave206p3]

Exactly

[@zeeptollbooth4129]

@@roccosperanza I've seen that before but they are comparing different brands and tread designs. If you take the best performing tire and add studs they work brilliantly. I also enjoy the added grip for off road playtime .

[@snsrider717]

"So, you can really drive like a complete idiot in the snow..." - Never related to something so much in my life. Cheers Kyle

[@Christoph-sd3zi]

The most fun I've ever had driving a car was driving my 5 speed '79 RWD Celica in the snow when I was a kid.

[@CallsignVega]

Of course studded tires are going to give a big advantage to the Rivian lol. You can't just brush off studded vs non studded like it's no big deal. You're giving way too much credit to the Rivian when the tires are doing a ton of the work.

[@petehelme7714]

Plus if im not mistaken, he was turning the Rover's traction control off at times and complaining about high spin-up. In Snow mode acceleration is tightly controlled and prevents that in full auto. (I have a Discovery which has the same powertrain as the Defender and drive it in Tahoe in the winter)

[@ChezzyDirt]

I stopped watching when he mentioned that.

[@svein-haraldribland8559]

These are not car reviews, but advertisements for electric cars. He also use a Nordic studded tire on the Rivian which is far better than the tires they usually have in the US.

[@willp.9731]

​​@@petehelme7714Not defending him, but that's not quite true. In many vehicles, snow mode allows more spin. Sometimes, not allowing spin in the snow gets you stuck. So snow mode usually allows more spin.

[@aaronphillips1210]

Ok, I was wondering if it was just me. I kept thinking “you moved the car into a mode which modulates acceleration so your tires aren’t spinning out of control on acceleration. And then complained about the lack of instant acceleration.”

[@rogerhuston8287]

Not sure studded tires doesn't sku the tests. Studs are much better on icy roads.

[@carlinglin7289]

Maybe I'm weird, but I'd really like an electric Land Rover, but with a retro Series III body style.

[@concinnus]

Someone will surely build you one, if you have the money. It just won't be JLR. And the aero and thus range will be gawdawful.

[@m4rmit3]

Have a look at www.youtube.com/@ElectricClassicCars

[@MarcoPon]

Check Electric Classic Cars. Various versions, for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGSbpWqlad-soLc

[@TheBowerbird]

Electric Classic Cars from England does those conversions. They have a KZbin Channel.

[@blamski]

I have a '95 Defender 90 and I wish I could convert it. Expensive, but, my sentiment is there, would be awesome and I agree.

[@robcrissinger776]

I'm currently building a 1957 Series 1 LAND ROVER Conversion to 64kw battery pack 148 horsepower 240lbft TORQUE Nissan leaf motor 4 wheel drive Love your videos Kyle

[@ImportImageRacing]

Got the wife the 130 and myself the r1t. I'd say we both won. Rivian isn't quite as smooth on road as the rover, but its still great

[@videopyc]

You are totally right. The Rover is smoother.

[@boostav]

You could tell from this video as well, the footage from Defender is smoother whilst the Rivian was a bit jittery.

[@ImportImageRacing]

@@boostav truthfully, off-road is where the Rivian shines it is pretty confident, inspiring, depending on which mode and height do you have it at

[@petehelme7714]

@@boostav JLR has been working on air suspensions for quite a long time so not surprising.

[@Yachtzeee]

Defender with white steel wheels would be super dope!

[@ichigo19870]

Haha Alyssa looking out the window at 10:20, probably thinking about her life while Kyle is driving up the hill like a maniac :D As always, great video guys!

[@cordkretzschmar5693]

When Mercedes G in elerctric version is out you can test it versus the G ICE version. This will be head to head. Here there are so many differences independently of of ICE or E. But great view in the snowy mountains.

[@kentstaker3672]

the following is from car and driver. i have a defender 110x with the p400. i have had it for 2 years and it is fabulous. there is no turbo lag because there is an electric super charger to compensate.. i am surprised as a car reviewer you don't know that. but then again you like electrics. We knew Jaguar Land Rover was planning on adding an inline-six engine to its budding family of modern Ingenium engines, which until now has consisted entirely of four-cylinder gas and diesel options. But we didn't realize the 3.0-liter straight-six would be so high-tech: This turbocharged engine is supported by a 48-volt electrical system, which powers an electric supercharger and an electric motor. Whoa. That makes the new Ingenium inline-six, at least in the configuration Land Rover is debuting it in, a hybridized mill with traditional turbocharging and electric supercharging. If this setup sounds familiar, it's because Mercedes-AMG's new E53 models have a very similar arrangement (right down to their inline-six engines). Thanks to its dual forced induction and electric assist-the electric motor aids the gas engine and also is used as its starter and as a generator to replenish the 48-volt battery pack-the 3.0-liter inline-six produces a stout 395 horsepower and 406 lb-ft of torque. Jaguar Land Rover says the electric supercharger sharpens the engine's throttle response, as it can spin up to its 65,000-rpm peak within half a second. That masks any turbo lag that might crop up from the turbocharger between the time the driver presses the gas pedal and the engine responds. (Remember, turbochargers are driven by exhaust gases-meaning there is a slight delay between the engine revving up and the exhaust-driven turbocharger having sufficient speed to generate meaningful boost.) The hybrid bits and 48-volt system enable extended periods of fuel-saving engine-off scenarios when, say, the vehicle is stopped at a red light or in traffic.

[@joetacchino4470]

There is still lag in a turbo engine, due to the need for the boost pressure to build AFTER the turbo spools. The electric turbo just reduces it, it does not eliminate. Nothing has the response of an electric engine. Not even a GT3RS.

[@kentstaker3672]

i don't know about your defender but with mine there is no perceivable lag

[@kentstaker3672]

@@joetacchino4470

[@kentstaker3672]

the reason a turbo lags is because it needs to develop exhaust in order to spin the turbo. a super charger is instantaneous. a conventional super charger does not have lag but it does have parasitic power drain being belt driven. an electric super charger has neither lag nor does it rob power. the electric motor powers the super charger. i don't know about your new defender but mine does not have turbo lag. what lag it suffers from is a delay in releasing the auto brake hold and restarting the motor after it shuts down at stops.

[@im4udevco]

It looks like we know which vehicle is more capable for snowy conditions. Excellent driving skills Kyle as I would not drive like that on the hills.

[@aaronphillips1210]

Yes, whichever one you put studded tires on…

[@-DC-]

That Land Rover is absolutely Gorgeous 😍

[@Salsgarageadventures]

Dude!!! Can't believe how good this review is!!!! You actually go over traction control!!! You definitely seem to know how to drive these cars and how they operate, unlike that tfl crap that gets these cars so much hate. You've earned a subscriber this is what i like to see!

[@Adam_Rosenberg91]

No offence, but TFL really is just a bunch of idiots lol

[@AnonymousFreakYT]

That Land Rover's control cluster (start button, gear selector, HVAC controls) just looks like it belongs on a spaceship to me. Like that gear selector should be a spaceship control stick. Put another half-panel with another control stick on the left side of the dash, get rid of the steering wheel, and that's a Space Shuttle cockpit.

[@kentgabriel3572]

I agree with your comment about the Defender 130 looking silly. From a design aspect the proportions are off. If you need 4 doors then the 110 is better looking. IMO

[@CodaHale]

I love checking in after each winter storm here to find out what nonsense Kyle got up to. -15F outside, dude goes and sees which chargers are still working. Dumps snow, he’s up Rist hooning luxury SUVs.

[@yveslegh]

I have a range rover and after 100k I still didn't have any problems with it!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Actually I don’t see any problem with the Land Rover defender power output management, you should have definitely tried the Range Rover it has all the companies off-road tech it’s next level unmatched. 😊😊😅

[@petehelme7714]

The drive trains and Terrain Response brains are actually quite similar on the full fat RR. Approach angles and comfort levels would be different of course.

[@joetacchino4470]

How many people in this video commenting that Land Rover reliability is bad have any actual experience with one beyond watching Doug DeMuro’s series or reading Consumer Reports? Lol.

[@watershed44]

@joetacchino4470 Indeed, it's pretty clear that the American industry promotes the "unreliability" of any imported or non-US designed and based truck/SUV.

[@petehelme7714]

yeah, my personal experience with JLR over the years is they are no worse than anything else. all the Rovers I have had have been great in fact.

[@mohnster4000]

Full send in the Defender 😁

[@marcusmobley5411]

It's a test of power delivery, and electronics. Not traction. Tires make a big difference, but not his main point of the test.

[@chunkychuck]

Can't wait to see how the R1 dual motor is implemented. Hopefully a bit more affordable for the rest of us.

[@-Jethro-]

If it has mechanical locking diffs it might actually be better for off road use.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@-Jethro- it definitely needs mechanical diff locks like the ford lightning

[@brandenflasch]

Rover seems like it would be pretty great with an electric or even PHEV power train

[@petehelme7714]

you can already get a "full fat" Range Rover or Range Rover Sport PHEV with around a 50-60 mile range pack. Defender and Disco PHEVs should be out next year is the rumor. Full electrics to follow.

[@cameronmurray3039]

Defender all day 😎

[@Late_Teraz]

I run Double studded Nokian Hakkapeliitta 10 on my crew cab dodge ram in Alberta and those tire are stupidity and insanely gripping the road...I tested them the first day I put them on doing laps at night in a double lane round about to see when I would start loosing control and I can tell you I had more grip on ice then I could dreamed of...best winter rubber hands down... nothing compares to..... especially not regular snow flake tire....

[@TheCrazyunclemarty]

A friend drives his Rivian without studs and he’s concerned about snow safety with good reason. The extra weight of electrics increases risk of deadly collisions by 50% according to NTSB. It’s often these big things we find rolled over on mountain passes on weekends.

[@jamchatt6602]

Wow! Brave, riding along a cliff on a snow cover road. Great job, very informative and entertaining .

[@relaxingtravel-LosAngeles]

love the reviews and driving scenes.. would be cool to see via drone shots as you drifted.

[@boostav]

Ride seemed a bit more jittery in the Rivian when compared to the Defender

[@trmon8890]

studded tires have a lot to do with traction

[@FreedomToRoam86]

The Rivian R1S probably is a great comparison w Defender. But the Hummer EV 4 wd doesn’t work when the TFL guy tries it in Moab, and they had to put 37’s on it due to the air lift always dies after a few minutes. Defender is famously reliable and fixable. That’s a high bar that Chevy hasn’t met yet. Rivian, if they can stay afloat though, seems like a great platform. But they’ll have to work on that air suspension!

[@matthewchetcuti3278]

Watch Carwow’s channel to see an Audi RS E TRON Quattro vs a Audi RS6 up an indoor ski slope both with winter tires. It’s CRAZY how much better E-AWD is than regular. Electric cars are truly a marvel in the snow

[@kizili510]

One pollutes the beautiful mountains of Colorado, the other does not.

[@ChatGPT1111]

Yeah the other one pollutes the area around the power plant first then that pollution drifts over to the mountains smh

[@cypvh74]

@@ChatGPT1111 oil and gas production uses a lot of electricity and energy, causing way more pollution over the life of a ICE vehicle than an EV.

[@ChatGPT1111]

@@cypvh74 guess you missed all the news about the endentured, slave and child labor and environmental damage in Africa and Asia to strip mine the battery materials.

[@cypvh74]

@@ChatGPT1111 and apparently you’ve missed all the news about the almost constant wars for oil, human rights violations in the Middle East, constant oil spills? And that battery minerals are mined and processed in more than just one place, including countries with better human rights records? Including Canada, and Australia?

[@humblesophos]

It’s been well be documented but buried that all electric vehicles have massive carbon footprints. The original prius had a larger carbon footprint than the old gas hummer H2. We could totally alleviate any need for oil from conflict regions by increasing domestic production, this would cut the carbon footprint of fuel to a fraction of what it is now, local sourcing. All electric batteries components will always be a messy matter. We could source lithium from parts of arizona and california but the process is “to environmentally unfriendly” so Newsome and JB have shut down any possibility of doing that. Additionally our electric grid is still heavily dependent on coal and natural gas. Even in “green” California, where a significant percentage of their power comes from out of state coal or gas power plants. Look i’m watching this video because i’m considering a rivian, it’s just important to understand the reality behind the politicized messaging.

[@EdwardC2]

That defender sounds so good!

[@TheRealLaughingGravy]

Do you ever sleep? You put out a new video like every eleven minutes or so.

[@svein-haraldribland8559]

These are not car reviews, but advertisements for electric cars. You also use a Nordic studded tire on the Rivian which is far better than the tires they usually have in the US.

[@LarsDennert]

85 to 50% is 35% use for the R1T. You said 25% for the Rover. Different but not that different. The Rover was a good choice for comparison being IFS/IRS as well.

[@RealGaryGR]

Plus the Rivian gained from regen on the way down while the Land Rover used more fuel. I wonder what the final difference was...

[@slidewaze]

Correct, Slow into the corner and blast out. John Buffum said, "In like a lamb, out like a lion".

[@pauladams5673]

Land Rover ought to negotiate a technology share with Rivian. It could be the underpinnings of the new Range Rover.

[@jysmtl]

Great idea

[@petehelme7714]

JLR started work on their own BEV chassis' several years ago, at least two for LR products and another for Jag. We should see the first of those in about a year, likely on the Full Fat RR.

[@TheMidIslander]

@Kyle, you mention doing a video to explain your R1T's suspension being swapped. Are you still planning to dive into that?

[@Optunity]

Make a video on which ev will be best to help a pwer outage? 110v that can power a frig? Can Rivian 220 power a heat pump?

[@CrumResearch]

How do Rivian control settings compare to those of Tesla Track mode? Any comparison videos?

[@QuantumAlchemyst]

Nice video buddy very instructive about Rivian capabilities compared with the very capable Land Rover Defender. GREAT! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻

[@Random.Adventures.]

nice comparison Rivian no doubt

[@HowToGetMoreMetal]

I would think it would be easier for Rivian to do a four wheel locker. Program all wheels to spin at the same speed. Therefore nothing is being measured, just equal wheel speed.

[@jysmtl]

Should be an additional mode, so you can choose that when you want.

[@petehelme7714]

for some reason, they seem to be hesitant to do that, even with the recently released dual motor. I'm sure they have looked into it and have their reasons. FWIW, the new Kia EV9 has a "4WD Lock" mode, but until it's reviewed, I'm not sure anyone knows what it does. My guess is that it is a simulated sync lock on the rear axle or, more likely, simple insurance that there is a 50/50 torque split front and rear.

[@brucebarry2354]

Melissa is one brave passenger! Some of those drop-offs are impressive. Great comparison video.

[@davidostrander7139]

I just took delivery of a Rivian R1S and the 2023 Range Rover full-size that I had on order also just came in... WHICH ONE DO I KEEP? I am torn...

[@MrT4sure]

The R2 - I wonder where they got the styling inspiration from 🤔

[@chrisness]

Studded vs non-studded? :(

[@juanmortaco831]

My anxiety kicks in so much when revving an engine at high RPMs. Just so many (expensive) moving parts, so much wear and tear can happen in mere seconds.

[@joetacchino4470]

Lol, what on earth are you talking about? That’s what they are made for. A few revs isn’t going to make it explode.

[@searcey]

Would love that defender full EV mode. Some day:)

[@opwanncanopie]

They have a PHEV one in the UK, but Land Rover hasn't brought it to North America.

[@CrumResearch]

Drive the Range Rover Sport PHEV with 38 kWh battery and CCS DC Fast Charging when you get the chance, please.

[@kevinkollmansberger9229]

You chose a great ice/bev comparison 😁

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Nope it was definitely not a great comparison! He should have chosen the Range Rover with all the off-road tech and the two diff locks…..

[@kevinkollmansberger9229]

@@carholic-sz3qv The Rivian doesn’t have locking diff’s, it’s all about the torque vectoring system and how they responded to the conditions. The RR has one of the best off-road systems even without using their locking diff’s. So it’s a comparison of the systems.

[@carholic-sz3qv]

@@kevinkollmansberger9229 lol…… did the Land Rover actually did wrong!? Of course not it didnt!

[@kevinkollmansberger9229]

@@carholic-sz3qv so, good comparison 😁

[@andrewg9236]

Can you clean the cameras on the Rt1 all you could see is a lens covered in snow?

[@androo4519]

The sound of the Land Rover's engine is probably fun for ten minutes but I reckon the average person would rather hear nothing from up front unless they're driving a sports car. Roaring engines sound so last century, and kind of wrong and ant-social now. I'd take the Rivian. Can't wait for a repeat test if Tesla ever get the Cybertruck out the door.

[@petehelme7714]

Heh, I never get tired of the exhaust note of the V6 in my wife's Infiniti G37 coupe. :)

[@PlanetFrosty]

Why didn’t you get the Range Rover PHEV?

[@pechaa]

With regard to the length of the 130 - I have a family of six. I would like to find a reliable electric vehicle that can seat all of us. We currently own two 2008 vehicles - a Mazda5 and a Honda Odyssey. Any suggestions? Would the Chrysler Pacifica be reliable??

[@budokai5904]

Hey love all your content. Be great to see a video of The new Jeep 4xE.

[@benvanmil6761]

You drive like I did when I was 25 years old, the only difference is the vehicles available in the 80's 😉

[@Scoopta]

Regen does not work by putting motors in reverse...the motors just provide rolling resistance by converting your momentum into electricity

[@greyhoundadventures2273]

I drove my 2021 model 3 up the French alps during a snow storm and it was amazing! I know it’s not an official 4 wheel drive vehicle but I think it’s brilliant. I now own a model y performance and it’s amazing, I love it. I’ll prob get a Rivian when it comes to the UK. Ross

[@taylorolson7828]

Not sure where the “truck” aspect comes into play on the Rivian. Doesn’t look tough enough to carry a 2x4.

[@wesleypulkka7447]

OSR, Land Rovers have been known to be very expensive to maintain long term. We don't have that info on the Rivian but I own several electric motors on tools that are 50 years old and still operate with zero maintenance.

[@lawncare-4u849]

It was nice to hear they are BOSCH 4 motors 😊

[@ouch1011]

Wow, I didn’t realize how much and how obnoxious the pumped in noise is on the Defender. Yikes, it sounds so artificial and annoying. Has kind of the same harmonics as an I6 but a very strange, robotic sound. The lag is due to poor tuning. No excuse for a modern, direct injection and dual VVT engine to have so much turbo lag. It’s either an improperly size turbo (or turbos) or poor engine management tuning. The Rivian looks like it’s struggling to manage its hefty weight in slippery conditions. A 4 motor AWD system with studded snow tires should have far more grip than what I see.

[@Salsgarageadventures]

Vvt huh... you must be a toyota guy

[@TheJoaolyraaraujo]

Tip. Use a camera looking back at the bed to see the drifting

[@indyslimshady]

This video has lights flickering way too much when you were focusing on LED lights and interior dashboard

[@CBR2200]

It would be nice to see a comparison with the same or at least similar tires. Looks like you had fun though lol

[@petehelme7714]

And don't disable features of the LR's Terrain Response. ;)

[@SimonStrother]

Surprise surprise, significantly better tires yield slightly better results🤷

[@ThePowersinYourHands]

this looks scary id be afraid to fall off the hill speeding like that your wife is brave

[@cmpremlap]

Read my mind 😅

[@ZenEndurance]

She's actually a robot. "shE lectric"

[@joeeoj6187]

OMG the car drives itself so it must be good 😂 Wait what software update does your car have?

[@px7460]

What news about Rivian developing its own electric motors?

[@Brisket9392]

Upcoming dual motor variant will be in-house 'Enduro' motors, not Bosch. Probably end up on the quad as well one could assume.

[@px7460]

@@Brisket9392 Good info, thanks!

[@bljuhl1345]

Hear is a fact of life, it’s January 19th 2023 and the only all electric vehicle i have driven is a golf cart in Florida. The VERBO supplied a EV golf cart for the week, nice of him to do that, so we could haul beach chairs etc, etc, So not everyone has got to drive any EV cars or trucks yet. Nobody has offered one neither. So its really strange to see one, drive safe.

[@TheArtofDisruption]

I accept the general superiority of the Rivian in this test. I’d still rather have the defender to take my family up the mountain.

[@flfl3969]

Why Land Rovers are great off-road vehicles, they are absolutely notorious for their lack of reliability. I met a couple who were returning their brand new Land Rover under Arizona's lemon law. So in less than a year, it had broken down three times. All the off-road ability in the world is worthless if the vehicle is unreliable.

[@jysmtl]

Why?

[@DanielMuvdi]

I own a defender 110 x for 3 years never had any issues that's jus the biggest BS that people that cant have one say @@flfl3969

[@jaywo4501]

If you wanna slide, go into offroad and then drift… Its fun 😊

[@ShawnSonnentag]

Good comparison, but I’m sure glad there were no kids out playing in the snow while you were blasting through neighborhoods with not nearly enough traction to keep from hitting them had they been there.

[@marcOSSNL]

Couldn't agree more

[@BotsisAnargyros]

You can also test a 4*4 FIAT PANDA Manual. It will destroy both cars.

[@MegaBbqbbq]

I saw the title and new the forgone conclusion.

[@QK..]

Rivian for future!

[@obeidkaifo3169]

New hoodie? 👌

[@christophersullivan6405]

Do you have the extra Underbody Shield on the R1T?

[@andrewhurstcars]

The electric G-Wagen will be fun

[@crtmojo2705]

We have 5 Rivian trucks at the country club in Florida. Just saw my first Rivian R1S SUV here also. So good in person.

[@DS-mz7dy]

To be fair, when you compare fuel use between BEV and ICE, use the kWh equivalent of the gas used (1 gal. gas = 33.7 kWh). So really, the Land Rover got worse fuel economy than the Rivian (I don't know how many gallons a 1/4 tank is)?

[@lesstevens2370]

I would use this formula 1 gal =33.7 kwh subtract 70% due to heat losses = 10 usable kwh per gallon works for most typical ice engines today

[@lesstevens2370]

Even at 10kwh a gal, the tank holds more energy then the rivian as it has a 23 gal tank that's 230kwh so evs don't have much longer till they surpass ice

[@VWkid4life]

Defender all day everyday.

[@jacobB1290H]

EVs traction control is just automatically better

[@carholic-sz3qv]

Nope it’s definitely not! Also comparing a 400hp to a 835 is not fair! There is no problem with Land Rover power output, you also don’t need 800hp for off-road! There’d Land Rover with less than 200hp significantly way better than any electric thing!

[@carholic-sz3qv]

On the CARWOW video from last year a 85hp fiat panda humiliated a over 500hp tesla modelX off-road what about that!

[@lawncare-4u849]

Or buy a td5 defender for £12k off road and a £30k Suv for every day driving /work.

[@EdwardC2]

I hate to say it, but a new defender and a Rivian would run rings around a td5 off-road all day long😬

[@lawncare-4u849]

@@EdwardC2 why? A td5 defender 90

[@EdwardC2]

@@lawncare-4u849 Because of much less sophisticated drivetrain control. Traction control, stability control and in the case of the new defender, a rear locking diff. Lots of the things @KyleConnor was talking about in this video. Old defenders are way cool, but when it comes to hard core off-roading, and low mue surfaces, the more modern vehicles have it licked!

[@lawncare-4u849]

@@EdwardC2 mine has all diff lock on the low - range gear stick. Torque too? My shogun also has centre and seperate rear diff lock. The driver makes a difference too. Not just the car 😊. My freelander 2 is also surprising off road. I've not seen these USA channels do anything amazing like TFL.

[@EdwardC2]

@@lawncare-4u849 Old Defenders do have a centre locking diff on the low range stick yes, but that doesn’t hide the fact that modern technology exists. I’m not saying the old defender is terrible, they’re great! But a New Defender and an R1T/S will do a bit more off-road, and do it easier. Well hopefully the dual motor Rivian will!

[@RealGaryGR]

Great video up until the last 4 minutes. There's no reason to drive like that through a residential area, it's juvenile and endangers others. Keep it out of town, you don't need to be the terror of the neighborhood.

[@paulwinter9672]

Great video again.

[@78katz]

Rivian has the advantage to begin with, but with the studded Nokians it's pretty ridonculous.

[@ianlove3]

Land Rover for me every time,.you know Land Rovers have all sought of problems but for me still number one.

[@ckm-mkc]

This was a given - Hakkapalitas are already the best snow tires in the world and with studs, they are pretty much the ultimate in grip. What I want to know is what you do when you are a 100 miles off road and running out of juice?

[@kradius2169]

... Break out the snow shoes.

[@Genuiini]

Awesome, thank you :)

[@opwanncanopie]

Would be more ideal if Land Rover sold their PHEV defender in North America instead of keeping it in the UK. That would be a better comparison.

[@petehelme7714]

the current PHEV Defender only has a 15.4kWh battery, not even the 38 kWh one the RR and RRS has. I'll wait for the next version. ;)

[@ItsEverythingElse]

Your speeding ticket is in the mail.

[@lecturer28]

That last point regarding the range is surely the deal breaker with no chargers around!

[@cypvh74]

Am I alone that have to watch Kyle’s videos at 1.5x speed, cause he babbles on so much? I feel this could have been 15min or less video.

[@zachlafond2652]

A lot of us notice this. I skip thru the videos and mute.

[@tazeat]

Infrastructure prevents an EV Land Rover from being a reasonable buy, who wants an offroader that can't reasonably go off road in a lot of places? How am I going to go camping for 5 days or hunting 200 miles from the closest DCFC? They'll make the EV version when it makes sense to make it, give it 3-5 years and let them nail it.

[@Zqld]

You can’t compare studded vs not with traction.

[@erinmoore6463]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again- give us an electric defender. That’s it. Give it to me. 🥵🥰 Addendum: full electric. Only front two seats. Volvo styling preferred, safety mandated. Just an all rubber cargo area for giant, sandy, wet and dirty dogs. Pleaseeeee Volvo. Don’t make me cancel my ex90 deposit. (We have an xc40 recharge and love it aside from size)

[@petehelme7714]

it's coming, but they are being pretty tight lipped on when. They hope to have BEVs available on all models by 2030. I think we'll see the FFRR for the 2025 model year. fewer people will balk at a $130K BEV Range Rover to start.