Top 10 Board Games That Didn't Need A 2nd Edition

[@kidmarine3994]

How about top 10 games that didn’t need a first edition?

[@crokinoledk]

😂

[@billable1861]

I love it lol

[@JJ_TheGreat]

Are we referring to: 1) Games in which the 2nd Edition vastly improved the 1st Edition; or 2) Games which suck so much that they never should have been printed to begin with! 😆 ?

[@kidmarine3994]

@@JJ_TheGreat the second option

[@garylangford6755]

Exploding kittens

[@billby]

I feel like I'm watching a deleted scene from a Guy Ritchie film.

[@TommyLeeYates]

😂

[@GPlewright]

He certainly has that Vinnie Jones riz.

[@codyknoxable]

I did buy the kickstarted Fireball Island, having grown up with the original, and you calling me a f****n idiot made my day. Because it’s true. 😂 Cheers!

[@edwardmemwah1610]

I didn't back the kick starter because I still have the original, so I must be a real f****n idiot. FIREBALL!! 😂

[@bendfocuspro]

Agreed. It's the reason I will never buy a restoration games game again.

[@Sulucion6Tone]

@@bendfocuspro Sadly i bought Fireball island for my nephew and it was garbage, but hey dont write off Restoration as they redid Return To Dark Tower, and that game Kicks Ass!

[@NameerHaddad]

I disagree about Gaia Project, the tech tracks are better IMO. But my pick for this list is definitely Sheriff of Nottingham; the difference in artwork and overall quality between the first and second edition is night and day.

[@thereelaristotle]

Agreed with basically all of these....with the exception of GP. I really found TM to be missing something, those tech tracks in GP make the entire game.

[@scotteagles4864]

Board game discussion paired with coarse language certainly creates a unique experiential space. This ain't no Dice Tower.

[@TabletopTurtle]

The scariest words today are when a publisher in any media says they are remaking something for "modern audiences".

[@nicolecates6968]

Usually true, and then there is Incan Treasure, the revamped version of Diamant. The original is completely devoid of any 'woke' issues, being thematic but placed is some random place with jewels and treasures, has cute little boxes to hide the accumulated score of a player until the end, and adorable character names that wink to Clue. Incan Treasure: you are looting historical artifacts from a known civilization and you have nowhere to to hide your loot, so the press your luck game becomes meaningless around round 3-4/5. They also got rid of the 'treasure' mechanic in Incan Treasure for some reason.

[@xGarrettThiefx]

I'll never forget when some bgg woke crazy went buck wild over an image on the box art for Tiny epic dungeons...madness.

[@TabletopTurtle]

@@xGarrettThiefx Source? NVM I found it. The best part of that thread was that 100 percent of the comments that disagreed were deleted by the moderator. "Dismissive" in BGG speak means you disagreed with our politics.

[@xGarrettThiefx]

@@TabletopTurtle Just remember : No opinions or differing thoughts are allowed on BGG. You get one flavour of BGG icecream ok ...vanilla only.

[@ErmacFellwalker]

​@xGarrettThiefx that was spearheaded by Elizabeth "Wingspan" Hargrave (the fucking idiot) and is the one of the reasons I'm very much against buying her games

[@christaggart5687]

Sheriff of Nottinghams second edition is worse than the first edition

[@p0ck3tp3ar]

Man, I wish the world had more people like you. Honest and sincere, telling it how it is. Not doing any real harm, just raw customer feedback. Everyone is so full of shit these days that they don't realize they're lying 24/7.

[@Noobwater]

And now Awaken Realms is doing a new edition of Puerto Rico with disgusting AI generated "art". Just an overall ugly looking edition.

[@drittz7840]

My choices to add would be Dominion, Carcassonne, Arkham Horror and Dune Imperium. As you pointed out some had to be changed/reprinted due to licence issues so I can forgive them 2nd editions. I agree that it pisses me off that publishers reprint games with different artwork rendering your copy useless if you want new expansions. I also can't agree enough it's getting ridiculous with these deluxe games that are just a ripoff with Castle of Burgundy being a prime example.

[@iansutton7416]

Carcassonne a prime example. Fine do a 2nd edition, but making the tiles incompatible with the original was a dick move. Similar for the new version of quest for el dorado.

[@vanzetti7]

I think Castles ofBurgundy got a well deserved face lift - a blinged out version to make it stand with the expensive backgammon and chess sets - I think the game is a master piece. That said I'm more than happy with the original box. It's absolute perfection.

[@remekflasinski196]

Being a linguist I thought this should be about games so f**king awesome, they never got a second edition. Which brings to mind... It would be nice to see ToP 10 games that need a 2nd Edition, but never got one.

[@adilgeresu2296]

I agree with most of the list…. I disagree with eclipse though for one main reason. The setup and tear down of the first edition was one of the worst experiences and the new one makes the experience smooth as butter. Other things being equal. Oh and I was the sucker that bought Spartacus hopping they would made expansions available if I supported it. Yeah daddy warbucks over here.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

Some people would make an argue that that's why you should play it digitally (but I don't play board games digitally - there is a reason as to why they are "board" games - and the experience - both tactile (mainly) and social, that you don't get while playing over technology.

[@pickinguppiecesBC]

I love how much you hate Cthulhu. Haha

[@Paul-ro6py]

Thanks for making the video. Agree on the 1st editions of Kemet and Cyclades, we will never get the end editions and may also be buried with them.

[@kostishasopoulos9816]

Twilight Imperium comes to mind. Container (you pay double the price for plastic heavy ships and plastic containers) and the tip of the icberg.... Food Chain Magnate..... plastic ugly looking tokens... a plastic bullshit alltogether. Ripoffs all of them.

[@ShelfClutter]

Robinson Crusoe Deluxe.. it turns out a game where stackable tokens are a main mechanism doesn't work great when you turn those tokens into non-stackable miniatures that take up 80% of the box... who knew? But after many complaints from the 1% of backers that have actually played the game to identify this issue, they'd surely gave us an option to get all the other content without the miniatures right?.. oh wait..

[@Copterman]

I didn’t back CE because I absolutely knew minis were a bad idea. So glad I passed.

[@BobbyJuno]

shit

[@b-squadhero9698]

For real. I backed it having never played the original. (Based on the Bollocks review, btw). Our copy finally came and we played it a couple weeks ago. We realized pretty quick minis were not gonna work. Not to mention all the fiddliness of the hut building. Luckily they included the wood disks and stickers as well. Deep regrets overpaying and waiting the 3 years for it, when I could have just picked up a basic version.

[@Trueflights]

The Firefly Collectors Edition didn't need to be a thing. The only reason that it interests people is that they don't keep the expansions in print, so people have trouble finding various ones of htem and this allowed people to buy them again, all be it all at once.

[@SaschaW82]

I adore Kemet myself and backed the Blood and Shit Edition. I regret it to this day, because they fucked up the artwork so badly, especially the map. I hate it so much, yet it bothers me to have it in my basement. Nobody wants to buy it off me either, because everybody knows it sucks. Gladly I kept my 1st Edition and just like you said, I wanna get buried with it, like a bloody pharao. :D ❤

[@stefangustavsson9]

I do agree to the Kemet Blood and sand edition. Fortunately I did get hold of a copy of the first edition for 20$, and it is much better looking in almost all respects. You did miss out on one of the worst reprints "ever". Everdell Complete Edition. I heard that they did release a new expansion after that one so it should be called "EVERDELL THE ALMOST COMPLETE EDITION". 😂 And with a price tag of "only" some 350$ !!!??? WTF.

[@namelessfire]

2:00 “Why they had to touch the original (Puerto Rico), I don’t know.” Because a grifter named Jason Perez made some videos about it so he could con his way into a “creative consultant” job.

[@TheHyde70s]

I was devastated when I missed out on Ethnos, as I have no interest in buying Archeos Society.

[@XCM666]

When the reprint was announced I had just bought my copy of Ethnos on the secondary market. If I had known before, I probably wouldn't have bought it. Now I'm very glad I did. The new version looks like a straight downgrade.

[@Baldricksturnip]

The same. I can't stand the new skin it has.

[@benlauson555]

Don't worry you didn't miss out on ethnos - you can easily get a second hand copy cheap.

[@wizeguy4]

And here we are, months from Awaken Realms re-re-releasing a deluxified Puerto Rico

[@VaultBoy13]

With AI art.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

Don’t have a problem with AI art

[@xCriticalStrikex]

Agree with #10, #3 game is rubbish didn't need second edition, Disagree with #8 its vastly superior in the second edition, #7 I prefer the unfathomable theme, #4 THE FIRST EDITION IS UNPLAYBLE YOU ARE CRAZY WRONG hahaha bollocks indeed! #1 is so much better than the first one I've heard, and its alright but it still ain't TI4. Also its weird to say board game creators shouldn't work to make their games better, which is basically what you're saying about Eclipse, could say its a bollocks opinion haha. :P But I get that you'd be pretty pissed seeing a whole new game released after you got all the expansions for the first edition. No I wouldn't because I got all of TI3 with all the expansions and then got TI4 because it was streamlined and way better! I don't know about #9, #6, #5, #2. Never played them. I like that you just go with your opinions though, gotta respect that. you're a good one, good videos.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

11:39 Age of Innovation completely replaces Terra Mystica... It is a lot deeper and more strategic. There is just no reason to buy Terra Mystica - after you get Age of Innovation. Age of Innovation is just better in every single way... That was the problem with introducing it. It basically makes everyone who owed Terra Mystica have to spend more more - just to get the better version of it - which they should have had originally (of course the publisher had benefitted from already having Terra Mystica, I get that). But AoI is the better game! BTW, you could also argue that they re-printed Terra Mystica a 3rd time - with Terra Nova (basically Terra Mystica-Lite) - which just doesn't work - because it doesn't streamline the game down enough in order for non-gamers to be able to play it - and also changes some fundamental parts of the system... Yet, you fail to mention anything about Terra Nova.

[@astronomicafilms]

Am I the only one who thinks Restoration Games is as lame as it gets? They take old games and either overcomplicate them or...just make them lame. Their Crossbows & Catapults remake looks trash.

[@Carighan]

Fully agreed with all of these choices, tbh. In particular the comment about people who pay 200+ for a 15 quid game.

[@artpowers]

The reworking of Tribune was horrendous that I traded for an older copy before they all fleeted away. In my opinion the Kickstarter didn’t do huge numbers because the art looked so bad comparatively to the original.

[@Gdohhhrzzzz]

Original TM wasn't good at two, both GP and AOI truly are. To me, they're great 'reprints' because I play these games at two players only :)

[@AndrewMartinsNJ]

YES! You are 100% right about BSG, man.

[@hovhannesbeaver8161]

I have a new one… what game needed a .2nd edition but didn’t need a 3rd edition 😂 I know you hate Cthulhu but Arkham Horror 2nd edition is brilliant. 3rd edition isn’t been an update, it’s a different game and it’s not even as good as 2nd edition. It should have been a totally different game.

[@kevinbabb7004]

He liked Second Edition

[@josiahleis6574]

That is a neat idea for a Top 10, and I think you made a pretty good list. I think the only one I really disagree with you on is Castles of Burgundy. The original edition looked like total dog crap and actively detracted from the game (and the "anniversary" one wasn't much better). It was also hard to play because all the beige art on the buildings looked the same and it was hard to remember what did what. The new "all-in" edition with all minis and everything is absurd and over the top, way more than I would want. However, the regular Special Edition looks great and feels great to play. Additionally, the new edition comes with all the expansions already baked in, while the original did not. So your $15 game becomes more like $30-$40 by the time you hunt down the expansions. And the newest expansion is only available in the Special Edition, so even then you don't have all the same gameplay. I would happily pay $100 for a game that looks and feels great to play over $40 for a game that looks and feels like some crappy Print-n-Play prototype. When you combine that with actual quality-of-life improvements like text on the back of buildings and monastery tiles, it's a slam dunk. I'm actually to the point where I would refuse to play an older version of Castles of Burgundy and would just rather play something else instead if the original is the only option.

[@timoseppa9124]

Congratulations, you didn't take feedback. I have enjoyed the channel but whatever. So, as someone who didn't have Eclipse, I should have gone and tracked down all of those expansions? Come on. You may not think you need a 2nd edition, but someone who doesn't have the game probably does. And it's not the same exact thing. Have you actually looked at 2nd edition yourself, or are you just guessing at that? Whatever = bollocks.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

Yes I’ve seen it as a mate has it and I decided I didn’t need it as first edition has more options. He’s jealous of my out of print masterpiece.

[@timoseppa9124]

@@BoardGameBollocks Yeah that's it buddy

[@kevinb9675]

Great Western Trail and Lewis & Clark - both ruined

[@bocianowaty]

I would add Citadels and Village - both having really horrible artwork in new editions that doesn't even come close to the original graphics (in case of Village the artwork is actually one of the most horrible artworks I had seen in board game industry)

[@jackburtonstwin]

I would go with Fury of Dracula. The last meaningful edition was the Second Edition. After that 3rd and 4th were a waste of time. The colour pallete of the later editions was absolutely rank. 2nd Edition was peak FOD. Also. Planet Steam. The first edition by Ludo Art was a fantastic beast of a game allegedly modelled on the old PC game MULE. Fantasy Flight got hold of it and turned it into a tiny box of wank completely devoid of the joyous excess of the original.

[@shatnershairpiece]

I have to hand it to these companies. They are laughing all the way to the bank. It's like PT Barnum, "there's a sucker born every minute." But for board games, it's one every 10 seconds.

[@johnhotson3796]

Love your brutal honesty. Good honest reviews. Brilliant.

[@ptbochiro]

I no longer need to watch other reviewers. Thank you for the frank assessment of industry horseshit.

[@sAKecOkE]

Don't know if it counts as a board game but Games Workshop constantly making and remaking new entire book shelves of rules and compendiums for Warhammer that then aren't even accurate because you need to download some updated PDF before they start preparing you to buy the next version in 2 years time is probably the worst offender

[@campbella2796]

Simply gave up on 40k for that reason.

[@locustsun]

One thing is for certain...I'm a fuckin' idiot.

[@PaulMazzoni]

“Because Cthulu…sucks.” Couldn’t have said it better myself. 😂

[@archmagus1510]

actually i own about 90 games right now but i never bought a 2ed of everything...always buying interesting new games....but i have an area control fetish....battle of rokugan,tammany hall,king is dead,rurik dawn of kiev,kemet,last kingdom...yeah i am gonna buy probable the new el grande :D...so theres something :D

[@ntmetroid]

The only one of these I strongly disagree with is Terra Mystica / Gaia / Age of Innovation. Same general system but lots of different nuances and variability in Gaia and AoI that make them far superior to TM in my eyes.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

And also remember Terra Nova... Why wasn't that one even mentioned. It is Twrra Mystica-lite - but it doesn't well help with non-gamers, if you ask me.

[@PompeyLegend2009]

9:49 "you should be ashamed seeing as there are so many starving people in the world" 😂

[@ErmineskinCreelov]

"You are basically a liar" is my new favourite retort.

[@yannber]

skymine.. hands off... found a dutch edition of Mombassa, printed the rules in french (sorry im french) and fuck the moon

[@revimfadli4666]

What Puerto Rico really needs is getting rid of that left-right binding. And making the University-Factory price swap canon. That's it. Maybe wrap it in that wholesome 1987 theme to not destroy the marketing

[@wayner396]

Pandemic 2nd edition annoyed me as it's exactly like the first. I bought the upgrade pack but refuse to buy the actual game as my 1st edition works just fine.

[@andrewloch3563]

I did the same, but at least they offered an upgrade pack

[@wayner396]

@@andrewloch3563 yeah, i remember there being a lot of backlash about it especially since the 1st edition wasn't that old. This was in the earlier years of this current board gaming Renaissance so I don't think we were used to major 2nd editors yet.

[@williamblack6912]

I'm curious what awaken realms will do with Puerto Rico.

[@iansutton7416]

I expect similar to COB. Bringing expansions together into a single big box, with every possible component blinged up whether sensible or not. COB surprised me in how many people bought into this ultimate in bling, so I expect similar will happen for Puerto Rico. I'm not the market for it, but I'm confident there is a market out there.

[@nathancantwell602]

So refreshing to find a boardgame channel that stands apart from the usual bandwagoning nonsense that this hobby has devolved into. While not a 2nd edition, TI4 sucked me dry from ever wanting to play anymore TI. Unless somebody asked me to play TI3, which they don't, because it is against the moral code to play previous editions of anything apparently.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

TI3 is the better game for sure

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

Can’t wait to see what you think of Hasbro’s THIRD Edition of NEXUS OPS.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

I haven’t played the first or second edition yet

[@saulofernandes4949]

I like to add Dune (fucking) Inperium to this list. The game is barely out, with 3 expansions and is already outdated by an expansion that just fix some things. This could be solved by just playtesting the game before release

[@BoardGameBollocks]

I agree…all uprising needed was an upgrade pack. Ripoff industry.

[@dannyanderson4723]

I love the comments about games feeling dirty and cheap. Those seem like such derogatory terms, but at this point games have no character, they're so sterile. I find myself being drawn to games that have some character. Because of that, it keeps feeling like I'm have to go to older games to find it, like the original Santiago, you know the African version. Great video, it will definitely upset some publishers, but hopefully, they're humble enough to think about it. Thanks as always.

[@SaschaW82]

Seriously? How dare you getting rid of the "Bollocks!" after the intro? Would you kindly add it to the new intro?

[@BoardGameBollocks]

Oh go on then

[@trooper6762]

For me it’s the Dune Imperium 2.0 Not that I care at all, I am happy with my 1.0 with the expansions and custom insert I have for it.

[@ntmetroid]

I think of 2.0 more as another expansion than a full new game. I really like the spy and sandworm additions, but its not necessarily needed (like expansions) unless youve run the base game into the ground

[@andrewloch3563]

great list. I would add Cyclades, Glen More and Dune Imperium

[@BoardGameBollocks]

Cyclades 2nd edition isn’t out yet

[@mightyted1]

Age of Innovation is our first TM game. Picked it because it seemed to be the most solid at 2p. We're really getting into it, but i didnt need the re-theme. TM 2 would have been fine. Just sayin its worth a look if you ever get a chance.

[@kasaklubdemola8625]

Descent 3 🤬 Give me back 2nd e! And Runebound. :D

[@nkend13]

Ave Caesar .. reprint was a disgusting ruination of a basically simple and fun race game.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

I thought Dice Tree did well with the semi modular board. Could have been a bit bigger and brighter though.

[@glennnystad8484]

Ethnos/Archeos Society - Ethnos is such a great design, and ppl gripe about it looking ugly. I don’t even see the artwork when I play cuz it’s such an intense experience with quick turns and total angst 😅

[@revimfadli4666]

tbf archeos has more variations in how the majority controls work. It didn't even feel like a map in Ethnos since adjacencies don't matter

[@jerryf196]

Reprint === more $$$

[@JJ_TheGreat]

Exactly!

[@JacobRamirez-li9dt]

Right out of the gate, I agree 100% with your number 10. And I'm Puerto Rican.

[@oerthling]

Disagree about Kemet. I don't care about the 20% larger monsters (but many people like that), the change of the map colors is meh to me (not a real improvement, not terrible either), but functionality was slightly improved. I don't care much about new assembly pyramids vs old style dice. One gets points for simple practicality, the other for theme. All of the above is unimportant to me or just a very small change to slightly better or slightly worse. These certainly aren't reasons for a worthwhile second edition. But there were improvements that make the second edition objectively better. The useless, boring, redundant design mistake Level 3 VP tiles got replacements. Solid improvement. Scaling setup by better to number of players is an improvement. The tile tablets are a massive improvement for storage and gameplay. The whole box organisation is better now. The VP track is a nice enhancement. Starting with a lvl 1 tile is a small rules improvement, but still an improvement. There's more detail improvements in the tiles, DI cards and rules. B&S isn't a must-have replacement over original Kemet. But it's overall a clear improvement and fixes some issues. Original Kemet still works fine and nobody who owns it has to run and get it replaced. But given the choice I would always opt for B&S because it's better.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

Kemet Tau SETI did away with the VP tiles. You can buy the tablets from matagot for $10 I could go on but I need a poo…

[@oerthling]

@@BoardGameBollocks I own all of the original Kemet, including all expansions - don't remember Tau Seti getting rid of the VP tiles - will look that up later. Yes, you can buy the trays, but doesn't change the fact that these were part of the 2nd edition KS. And as I said there are more fixes in the tiles and DI cards. Initiative was clearly overpowered - there have been forum threads about it for years. Original Kemet wasn't broken, but it did have flaws and issues and B&S fixed those. Clearly an improvement. Owners of original Kemet can fix some of the issues with a print-out of the 1.9 rules and buying the tile trays. But for anybody who buys their first Kemet B&S is the better option.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

@oerthling Maybe it was Kemet 1.5 rule set…in any case they got removed. Blood in the Shit is deffo an inferior product in almost every way.

[@oerthling]

@@BoardGameBollocks If there are so mand ways it is inferior, then how about sine examples, so we can debate them? Just saying it's shit doesn't do much.

[@BoardGameBollocks]

I did list 2 reasons why above…you want more?

[@bomholmm]

that nasty little website, lol BGG sucks

[@slydog75]

I agree with Libertalia but the new tiebreaker mechanic is much better. Wish I could incorporate it into the original

[@revimfadli4666]

if only it had everdell's vibrant art...

[@jamesfaucher4588]

Village would be my #1, Libertalia would be #2, and Puerto Rico #3. I'm glad I didn't bite when those came out. I'm keeping my originals, and a little extra green in my pockets.

[@helxis]

Gaia Project is actually quite a lot different than TM, but unfortunately almost everything that they did to the game made it worse. Terra Mystica is a good example of a game being done right on the first try and all iterations of it being worse.

[@myoman1977]

Gaia is much more interesting to me than TM

[@helxis]

@@myoman1977 How is "interesting" defined in concrete terms?

[@armstronghawkins9183]

"Cthulu sucks..." ??? LOL Time to invest in a LIBRARY CARD, Mate! It's time.

[@wbeytel]

I think I understand his point. Cthulhu doesn't suck but it is currently so massively overused as a theme in board games that I now roll my eyes every time another new Cthulhu board game is released.

[@armstronghawkins9183]

@@wbeytel Nosssir! That is not what he said. He said, yes, it is overused AND he said it "sucks", broadly. Harry Potter sucks. Yep. I said it! But...Cthulu??? How dare he! I demand satisfaction!

[@wbeytel]

@@armstronghawkins9183 🤣👍 Just for clarification, I am the one who's in agreement with you that Cthulhu doesn't suck.

[@Tuxedoian]

I'd have included Descent: Journeys in the Dark. The first edition was a behemoth on the table, but it was tons of fun. Then they made a second edition and tried to 'streamline' the game by leaving a lot of the game out, changing the way pretty much everything worked, and making it a campaign game from the get-go instead of individual quests meant to be played over an evening. THEN they had to go and make a THIRD version, which they renamed to "Legends of the Dark" because they made it so that you need an app to play and without it you have just a giant box of components that you can't do anything with.

[@chaps5970]

So wish you would back off on the cursing. Love your reviews and want to see your valuable perspective. But most of the time I stop listening partway through. And my kids cannot be around when I watch. Again. Love your perspective. Not your cursing

[@BoardGameBollocks]

My channel is probably not for you. There are a host of other channels that may be more to your tastes. Thanks for watching up to now.

[@myoman1977]

​@@BoardGameBollockssavage

[@chaps5970]

You bet. It’s a privilege to speak to you. I hope the best to you.

[@theshogunstein6475]

KS knows Feld fans will just throw money at the same game three times.

[@iansutton7416]

So what about good 2nd editions / 2nd iterations? Here's a couple to start Restoration games did a super job on Thunder Road Vendetta (BGB's video on the original showed how dire and dated it was, the new version a LOT more fun). I've not played Voyages of Marco Polo, but really like Marco Polo II.

[@brucebush5744]

I’ll add in - Unmatched, Camel Up 2, Archaeology New Expedition, Ticket to Ride Europe and Imperial Settlers Empires of the North.

[@Jootie_de_Kop]

Stefan Feld´s City Collection: totally redundant. The deluxe reprint of Castles of B.: hilarious.

[@theshogunstein6475]

ks loves to take advantage of Feld fans

[@Hieronymus-Pseudonymous]

Some of the reprinted games in that series are hard to find. Not that that justifes overpriced new versions...

[@Paul-ro6py]

Sad to see AR are looking at a Deluxe reprint of Puerta Rico, well on the bright side may be able to pick up an affordable copy of the first edition.

[@TiroDvD]

Arkham Horror 3rd - took a general thematic board game and made it scenario based since that is what Fantasy Flight has inadvertently turned their Lovecraft stuff into. Betrayal at House on the Hill - the original game was very random, but now it's very streamlined. Also while they did clear up the process of splitting into Traitor & Heroes midway they still have goofs about who knows what does what. There are also less scenarios and stupid ones. WTF wants to go to a creepy haunted house to just end up cleaning it for better resale?

[@ErmacFellwalker]

Cleaning it?!? Are you joking??

[@TiroDvD]

@@ErmacFellwalker 3rd has it where you have about 6 "reasons" for exploring the house at the start, and then the Haunts are given through those reasons in addition to the Omen/Room. It's not awful. It's a nice surprise just as 2nd Ed. there are some non dangerous Haunts of Buried Treasure or Ghost Playing Hide & Seek. But in a post Woke/TDS/GamerGate world (2016) where every new cartoon inserts a "Prom" episode or DnD's latest setting is working as baristas in a communist utopia; cleaning house in 3rd Ed stinks of something disingenuous.

[@middleclassboardgamer]

So on point with most CoB. Why in the world anyone would spend $100+ on the delux edition is beyond me. Someone of FB asked if they should buy it if they has never played CoB. People are crazy out here in these board game streets.

[@davidfavre6145]

A study in Emerald, Löwenherz and Ethnos are the ones to come to mind directly !

[@anomaloushost4865]

Space Hulk didn't need a 2nd edition. Everybody who knows about the differences between 1st and 2nd edition agrees. Then they went and made a 3rd/4th edition, which is better than 2nd, but still not as good as 1st. Although those map tiles and blip counters are fantastic, even if they warp too easily.

[@MrChickster12]

I had not played 1st edition of eclipse but love the second version.

[@mikolajwitkowski8093]

For me Claustrophobia would be no 1

[@BoardGameBollocks]

It was my number 11

[@babydemon90]

Agree on many of these... not with Age of Innovation though. The modularity adds a lot to the Terra Mystica gameplay.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

Agreed! AoI replaces Terra Mystica (to me).

[@AdamH75]

Had the original 1986 Fireball Island growing up, lost it, then nostalgically reacquired a few years ago. It's still a blast and we break it out here and there because it's simple but chaotic. Got the new one and then sold it shortly after...all they needed to do was maybe make the island bigger (keep the same classic paths) add more unpredictable routes for the fireballs, maybe more bridges/traps...not added complexity, tokens and card crap. Completely removed the fun factor!

[@admscotty704]

You forgot Agricola, which did not need a 2nd edition of Caverna.

[@JJ_TheGreat]

Wait... Isn't it the other way around? Because didn't Agricola come before Caverna?

[@admscotty704]

@@JJ_TheGreat Reread the sentence... I didn't say Agricola was the second edition of Caverna... I said Agricola (the first edition) should never have had the second edition (Caverna) made... Yes Agricola came first.

[@thereelaristotle]

Also Agricola itself relaunched a second edition of itself. So it's actually a 2x offender.

[@b.2194]

I am absolutely with you on the “castles of burgundy” - we absolutely love this game and have the version from 2020 (?) which is wonderful except for the tiny writing on the little hex-tiles. But I too think it is absolutely insane to pay 200 € for the Deluxe Version! Ok, the hex-tiles are 30 % bigger, so it might be more visionfriendly for our old eyes, but bigger also means it takes up more space on the table.🙄 Even if I had this amount of money: I would not buy the Deluxe Version😮🎉

[@stefanyordanov2885]

Five Tribes and the new and improved definitely-not-slave cards is my number 1 by far. It's not a 2nd edition with inferior gameplay, but it's much worse than that. It's a 2nd edition that insults my intelligence. That I just can't handle.

[@plumbob72]

I bought the deluxe version of castles of burgundy and it's f@cking awsome!

[@VaultBoy13]

I think Kemet got worse with the art, but better with the balance. They also improved the consistency of the iconography (even though it mostly got uglier). Also, you got it wrong about the minis, they're bigger. Unfortunately, the map isn't really scaled to fit them as bigger, so in cities (with the pyramids) they barely fit. The game also incorporated the Ta-Seti tiles, and some of the rules that were unique to that box. It didn't incorporate the Path board though. B&S is basically like buying Kemet + Ta-Seti. B&S is both better and worse, which does make it a bad second edition. It seems like when Matagot pivoted to crowdfunding, they basically shit the bed. They're just not putting out quality that justifies the price tag for these products.

[@alarthame]

Cthulu sucks 🎉

[@theshogunstein6475]

Fireball Island another example of Restoration Games turning junk into a 200$+ game

[@tesstalks707]

OMG I love this guy. I don't agree with all of his opinions (some I do, some I don't), but his videos are fantastically entertaining.

[@Paul-ro6py]

Seeing copies of Kemet Blood & Sand on the used market as low as CDN $80 punched unplayed. Still feel no need to change from our 1st Edition. We just played a 3 player and 4 player game of Kemet (1st edition with Seth) and it was amazing!!

[@sidneyleejohnson]

When you need a replacement outer box for BSG let me know. I'll include the Broken Token insert. Both on the house. I also have the Exodus Expansion box that I can send along which will double your fight against the ravages of time. I bought the wooden LaserOx insert and outer wooden box so I'm safe for hopefully my lifetime and have stored the extras. My BSG core box isn't Mint but the Exodus box is near mint. That said I suspect my BSG core box may be better off than yours but I would wait until I receive a nice Awaken Realms packaging box and re-use it to ship these off to you. Their packaging is beyond ridiculously good. I guess if anyone local in your area has been storing these empty BSG related boxes it may make more sense for them to pitch in before someone tries to toss these across the seas your way. Just to be clear, this is just an offer to help you with empty boxes and storage inserts not the actual game material. That said you might appreciate doubling the shelf life of your BSG box. Of course if you follow my footsteps and get the LaserOx box...you would be in the same boat I am in. Sorry I tossed Pegasus and Daybreak. Others in my boat may have kept all 4 boxes for display. I'm guessing quite a few people may be out there with extra BSG boxes as a result of Broken Token and LaserOx storage.

[@yugihoo]

My top 3 are Rocco, Great Western Trail, and Mombasa

[@WiDOC]

Can't agree more for 7 wonders. My brother offers me the Armada expansion not knowing this and I couldn't play with it. I found this really mad and got angry against the game I'm not playing it anymore ... what a waste seriously.

[@haydar8364]

Love the topic of this video, and generally agree. Kemet would be my #2 unnecessary 2nd edition, and #1 is probably the X-Wing miniatures game. FFG/Asmodee took a brilliant self-contained system, mauled it to shreds and tossed it in a filthy alley to rot in the darkness.

[@MAK08299]

Dig the new intro.

[@MrChickster12]

For what it is worth I have played Terra mystica, and Gaia project…. And Gaia just improved some of the imbalance that was in terra mystica ( some of the factions were super powered)

[@bomholmm]

City of Remnants was re-implemented as a game called "Neon Gods" it is awful, all the complexity and charm of City completely stripped away in the name of streamlining.

[@s.d.d.6063]

While i do agree on the Castles of Burgundy megadelux ks edition i do not agree on the Castles of Burgundy 20th anniversary edition, which i own, and was a very welcomed reprint with a graphic restyling and some expansions of the original game at a fair cost. That was (and is) a way for some people - me included - of getting a very good classic game which wasnt available otherwise