Was the FD2 the Last Great Civic Type-R? | A Nostalgic Struggle.

[@Jcastro9444]

Nothing will ever compare to the raw race car feel of the 90s- 2000s b series and k20/k24 engines

[@fhowland]

I agree. Never selling my 2008 SI

[@Jcastro9444]

@@fhowland been looking for one for the longest with low miles but they are either not for sale or they have over 100k miles

[@simcadebiker6214]

@@Jcastro9444 yeah finding a clean low mileage type r is almost impossible!

[@jesselee4405]

Still driving my jdm rsx-s

[@battosaijenkins946]

@Roads Unraveled, the closest ever I got to an FD2 civic was the Acura CSX. imported successfully to California and still babying it. Yes manual transmission and bone stock =)

[@Bmoney-js4kl]

FD2 is easily the best looking Type R.

[@Diamond-gk1ec]

Definitely! Im converting the rear end of my Si to the JDM taillights.

[@jiboy8549]

Yeah i agree together with the ek9

[@andrearobertsnicholas9609]

obviously

[@jygogaming3550]

Best looking civic

[@roger3958]

Wait a couple more months though…..

[@wimctrfk2]

3:30 as a previous EP3 owner the shifter is 100% enjoyable to drive. The EP3 is such an amazing car to drive.

[@AimanAizat15]

I drove both, fk8 is way faster but, fd2r is so much soul in it... The engine scream, the vtec kicks in.. the sound of the exhaust combine.. I don't know how to explain.. Always put a smile on my face.. Daily would be painful since it is so stiff, and Malaysia's road is kinda suck.

[@kerrinmarr9204]

The FD2 had so much done to the chassis to keep it rigid and lightweight. It's about 280lbs lighter than the FK8.

[@NinaMango789]

I actually love the ep3 shifter location it's definitely weird visually but in practice it feels pretty normal, just really close to the wheel

[@simcadebiker6214]

Very true

[@rcmodder]

Alot of ppl have this misconception of the EP3 shifter as being awkward. Its one of those things where you just have to "try it for yourself " to get it.

[@TassieLorenzo]

I think it inspired Honda to raise the shifter for all 8th gen Civics onward to the present day. There's now a bracket that raises the shifter higher, which isn't present on the comparable DC5 Integra (RSX) of the same generation as the EP3.

[@nickhybner8485]

Definitely agree

[@Makedeth]

EP3 shifter location may look funny but its actually really good. Tight and precise and right next to the steering wheel.

[@Joe-cb3ws]

Drive an Ep3 before making such assumptions, that car is loved over here

[@lau2031]

FD2, the best NA type R ever...no kidding, the 1st one in Canada, Bravo!

[@Jmsborland97]

As an owner of a JDM spec EP3 Type R, I love them. Just as quick as a DC5 around track, very lively little cars. The shifter feels perfectly normal even though it may look strange, and to be honest I've really come to love the shifter position, especially with a hybrid racing short shifter. If you manage to get a hold of one, I'd definitely give it a shot.

[@RoadsUntraveled]

I do just love the idea of the original EK and EP shorter wheelbase chuckability, just always looked like an awkward interior. Would love to drive one sometime!

[@ToxCcc]

@@RoadsUntraveled think driving an EP3 will definitely change your opinion, very popular cars here in England. Understandable styling isn’t as nice as other cars shifter doesn’t look like the best place. But being closer to the steering wheel does make it more driver focused.

[@Jmsborland97]

@@ToxCcc I personally love the way EP3's look, I never used to, same as the FN2. but as the years have gone on, I've come to love the styling

[@ToxCcc]

@@Jmsborland97 think I was the same growing up I preferred the EG and EK shape but as the EP3 get older and rarer they've aged like wine.

[@non-fictionaltoughguy1208]

As a 2010 Si owner I completely agreee

[@deet4895]

I've been singing the praises of the FD2 Civic Type-R since 2008, and it has been my favorite car in the world since then, I absolutely love those cars. Unfortunately for me I'll never get a chance to own one because, well you know, America.

[@kos5120]

Life is short. Make it happen! from a Fd2r owner

[@deet4895]

@@kos5120 They cannot be Legally imported into America.

[@fhowland]

Civic SI is close

[@deet4895]

@@fhowland A Civic Si is nowhere near a FD2 Civic Type-R, the Type-R is in a completely different universe.

[@Pete0126]

@@deet4895 I wouldn't say a different universe, the Si is close enough you can build off of to get near a FD2 experience

[@rcmodder]

EP3 shifter actually has some history with the early Honda Z600 from the 70's. Even tho it looks weird, it keeps shifting time from hand-to-wheel short.

[@obomasinladen]

i don't comment on videos often but damn dude this is such a great video. Your production has gone through the roof

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Appreciate that! It won't be every video, but it's something I love to do

[@divin3kag3242]

Fd2r best type r hands down

[@FrankieDills]

you really gotta drive an ep3 that shifter experience is actually really awesome

[@balancemode4112]

FD2 Type R is the Best Civic Type R the chassis is soo good

[@RampartPh]

i've got a fd2 non type r automatic tranny and i love it to bits. it's age is now showing w/ regards to wear and tear and consumable parts but for a 17 year old car, it's holding-up pretty well.

[@Jaredscott89]

EP3 shifter location is actually quite good. Overall, if you get a JDM version (UK versions lack a LSD), they are a pretty damn good car to drive.

[@jordyariaszapata6124]

Have a fk8 and ek9 and still think the fd2 is the best looking type r of all time

[@Shane-zx4ps]

FN2 in my opinion is the best looking civic Type R, futuristic looking machine. Now remember folks it’s my opinion only before Y,all go crazy

[@non-fictionaltoughguy1208]

The FD2 sound tho 😍I fall inlove every time I hear VTEC Crack

[@acadianr2leger]

I had an ep3 with a k20a2 and 6 speed tranny swap ,shifter feels great and fun little car to drive

[@Birmingham_racing]

Ep3 is common in the uk we love them maybe you need to see one in person. The gear position is awesome you need to try it

[@andyDfunkybass]

Ep3 shifter location is great. I daily drove an ep3r for nearly 5 years. Don’t knock it until you’ve driven one.

[@andrewsmithsmusic]

Man this is a great channel.

[@archiei40x]

Loved the shifter position on EP3. Loved the 8th gen civic. Enjoy the drive of the FK8, I just couldn't get past the exterior to own one. The upcoming one looks sleek in design, I might pull the trigger if I can convince the other half but I would have to sell one of my cars for it.

[@dhawalasvlog215]

I have a FD2 and modified to a Type R ❤Really love the design

[@raylee6755]

Minus points for the throwaway comment about the ep3 shifter. Very ergonomic and driver focused!

[@jovindahschannel]

fd2 never gets old 💟 last pure jdm legendary civic :)

[@carolusdero6663]

The ep3 has the best shifter positions I've ever had. And I've had multiple type R's (and other cars like 200sx, mx5, ..). It's funny how people Who never drove one always tend to criticise it and everyone that has driven one, loves the position.

[@juliwomp]

ep3 is sick bro, don’t sleep.

[@macmurati]

ep3 is honest to god the best driving NA type R ever built. My personal favorite and a fantastic shifter.

[@vivinvarughese8207]

Love the yellow S2000 camera car ❤️

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Glad you noticed haha. Great, clean example too.

[@josephmiller9519]

The fd2 seats are made by Recaro but is brand for type r

[@GazMonty]

Technically the FN2 is the last naturally aspirated Type R ever made as the FD2 ended production a couple months before the FN2.

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Aaahh I didn't know that! Couple months makes all the difference. FD2 built in Japan means a lot, too.

[@TheFK8Life]

The FN2 isnt a real type R tho so...

[@GazMonty]

@@TheFK8Life That statement makes zero sense, but okay.

[@TassieLorenzo]

​@@GazMonty ​ Lots of people would claim that the FN2 is more like a Type S or Si which is labelled "Type R" merely for marketing purposes. Which is reasonably fair IMO. Each to their own, I find still mine a lot of fun and quite like having the sound insulation and somewhat softer suspension lol (I had the DC5 Type R with it's lack of sound insulation and harder suspension found that a little bit annoying for an everyday car TBH). I don't mind at all that the FN2 is a car more akin to a Prelude VTEC than a "hardcore" JDM Type R.🙂 Regardless, some people still complain about the FN2's ride compared to the cars like the Focus XR5 (ST) or Mk5 Golf GTI and say that FN2 is too sporty and stiff compared to those... so make your mind up folks! Is it too soft or too hard, which is it, lol. It did start the trend of modern Civic Type Rs being fully loaded with cruise control, still having sound insulation etc. To defend the FN2, it does share a LOT of parts with the FD2 (gearbox and LSD (where fitted, which mine does have thankfully) is exactly the same, flywheel is exactly the same (the later lightweight 5kg version), shifter is exactly the same, cylinder head casting is exactly the same (the later RSP version that flows better) albeit with the customary milder cam profile of non-JDM models, the seats are the same apart from the fabric etc). It still has alloy control arms unlike the Civic Si too, albeit it only has the same brakes as the Si.

[@420pharma]

​@@TassieLorenzo it's 3 seconds slower around a track, not enough to justify the hate

[@mikuelable]

The drift king from best motoring said the fd2 is his favorite fwd

[@ashokarizona2946]

The never ever fade on the Artistic Racing Look and experience will the The FD2 TYPE R.

[@woosukchoi2897]

I own both FD2 and FK8 type R. I Bought FK8 on May 2020, and I just got FD2 on June. After that, I barely drive FK8. FK8 is way faster then FD2, but FD2 is much more fun to drive then FK8.

[@nelc2399]

plenty of FD2R in Singapore as well Malaysia.

[@kentowers2802]

The FN2 and FK2 are the forgotten cousin (except for in the U.K.)

[@Iamstillfly]

You should do a comparison with fd2 and fd5 the Canadian only Acura csx type s

[@joshdellinger8221]

EP3/Element shifter location is so underrated. Just go try one. It will make sense.

[@alphatrion100]

Everybody forgets the fn2 which looks the best imo

[@navtec0023]

FD2 is the ultimate NA/Manual driving machine where you can feel the engine, the best monument if petrol vehicle is dying

[@jameshawkins8966]

Fn2 is so underrated please make a review

[@RoadsUntraveled]

I'd love to! Never seen one before. I'd imagine they don't come up for sale too often for export into North America

[@jeremygore1865]

I'm looking at one tomorrow. That might be the second one you mentioned in Canada. I think I'm buying it!

[@williambellisIII]

256 whp when that FK8 was stock? What in the world kind of dyno was that? Most dyno closer to 290 whp stock.

[@ronniemorgan5143]

Yeah. I was confused when he said that. No way!!

[@jefflebo5836]

Are there any places that document all the differences between the FD2 and regular 8th gen civic si? Curious about what’s different with the suspension and brakes and motor.

[@chanhuor]

People are to stuck in the past. The FK8 kills it in any form of track. It is what it is.

[@harryl8234]

Time to move on

[@TassieLorenzo]

Sure, but they can both be fun, no? 🙂 IMO, for an everyday road car having less power and being able to use more of it (and more of the revs) more of the time is more fun. I'm glad to see the Toyota GR86/Subaru BRZ still using an old fashioned naturally aspirated high-revving (one of the last affordable cars to still have that), as much as some say that would rather see the torquey engine from the WRX (with it's 6000rpm redline...) in that car. Thankfully the FK8's engine does still rev out pretty well. Honda are not trying to make the old car obsolete, they just are evolving it and making something different and (mostly) improved. Some people prefer the EK9, which is even slower than the FD2 again! Granted, for what the FD2s cost now (as much as used FK8 or more for a car that's 10 years older), I'm not sure that's worth it... It seems to be more of a collector car now (FD2s used to be more reasonably priced, maybe 50% more than a comparable FN2 or Civic Si, rather than three or four times the price!).

[@athiam152]

Dang, a real FD2R already legal to be imported to YVR? I still remember during my uni times, few FA5 were converted to fd2r looks

[@Jdm_fl5]

I own a modded fk8 but seeing a video of one same color in a hq video is mesmerizing

[@collinriccardi698]

🙏🏼

[@Akendesuu]

its the only car that is officially sold in Japan and officialy exported to Malaysia. an absolute last true type-R

[@nyaruko59]

I recommend change exhaust straight pipe. Change After beautiful VTEC sound.

[@iCanBeDaniel]

The FK8 just has so much going on, It really lost the spirit of being the blue collar workers subtle and inconspicuous race car. Hope the new one is a little more reasonably designed.

[@krispyliving7993]

Don’t knock the ep shift position till you try one trust me

[@oscarkabowski8413]

The FD2 is a remarkable car but I will always prefer the DC5 Type R simply because of its body style.

[@Red-ev8ls]

Stock I’ll give it to the dc5 but IMO the integra lacks aftermarket customization compared to the 8th gen civic

[@fan2lexus]

This FK8 sounds much better than stock in my opinion. And I love the look too 😍.

[@rubenruiz5795]

Sounds like a weed wacker

[@collinriccardi698]

It’s Remus valved exhaust with Remus fp and PRL catless dp

[@nickrah1737]

I had no clue that there was 8th generation civic type r

[@apex_predator9401]

If the FD2r came in a 2 door format it would be the goat of typeRs

[@johnjodouin]

the reason for the shifter being there in the ep3 is that honda modeled after honda race cars

[@Fryrice3]

you are sadly mistaking about the ep3, owners perspective the shifter is perfect

[@krispyliving7993]

I hope dude put up video of driving one to eat those comments

[@mattkroening7964]

The FK8 can sound pretty good if you know what you're doing with the exhaust. Seems as though the owner of this one didn't. Sounds like he got rid of the resonator, which is why it sounds like it's exhausting through a soda can

[@jonchapman8344]

Love my fk8. Fun and fast at stock power.

[@rubenruiz5795]

But sounds like a vacuum /: fd2 is the better looking n sounding type r + u can always add a supercharger on it if u want fast

[@ItsByramTime]

@@rubenruiz5795 i agree it's not the best noise on the market having owned an fk8 in the past but like the video says, the dailies and modern comforts of driving one, yeah... i really did enjoy my purchase, so much so that I'm actually considering buying another! :) (Maybe do something about the noise too with some aftermarket, lol )

[@ronniemorgan5143]

@@rubenruiz5795. Add a supercharger if I want fast? Flash the FK8, & you get faster than a supercharger.

[@Jovane2707]

Can’t wait to see the ep3 😌

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

without finish watching the video or driven the FD2. I can already say for sure the FD2 was the greatest type R. Also as an owner of the FK8, I dislike the distractions in the FK8 very much. So much so, I am still dailying the s2000 since the Pandemic

[@TassieLorenzo]

"Also as an owner of the FK8, I dislike the distractions in the FK8 very much. " Wow! I guess you'd really hate the new Mk8 Golf or a Mercedes EQS or something. (I hate touchscreens in cars too...)

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

@@TassieLorenzo had the Mk5 GTi and that was enough electronics. Luckily that car during that time had fully defeatable traction control and also manual handbrake.

[@user-uv3cs4ox8s]

13:59

[@ek9si]

How are you going to get these two cars together and race each other. Either in the street or track of both

[@RoadsUntraveled]

It was a missed opportunity this video.. Looking for some track time so we can make it happen :D

[@ALVARADOx805]

And we in the US have to wait another 10 years lol

[@RoadsUntraveled]

:( It'll come soon enough. Try out an S15 Silvia or R34 Skyline while you wait ;) Those are legal within the next 12-24 months.

[@ALVARADOx805]

@@RoadsUntraveled that's true an S15 would be beautiful

[@satwailam3327]

自家NA成就又真係好難接受渦輪增壓，亦等於HONDA喺未來嘅時間能夠打造FR嗎，我覺得係時候。

[@AidanDeLeon-zz4zq]

What did you do to import that car into Canada

[@TheFK8Life]

I owm a modified FA5 and an FK8 - i loved the FA5 for its chassis stiffness and wider track to fitt 255s as a daily - made for alot of grip putting power down. Amazing high speed stability. Then I bought my FK8 - completely next level compared to the FA5 - on 265s grips for days. made 413/402 on FBO e30 and now 533/429 on p600. Absolute beast on the street - going to 305s upfront - stock fenders - yeah - Its a real Type R for the modern world we live in. For anyone who wants to watch the dyno vid kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIDNk6iCntB0ras

[@Red-ev8ls]

Both amazing cars fa5 will always be the best

[@TheFK8Life]

@@Red-ev8ls lol best at what? The front suspension on the FA5 is limited and the FK8 is on another level - the FL5 just went 2:58:8 at VIR - fwd production record. Technology advances - just the way it goes.

[@Gary_S]

08:20 - Would love to know where these gauge pods are available from and if they do them in RHD for us UK peeps.

[@jamesmedina2062]

So why is it better to be "hunkered down" low in the seat when driving fast? When you are in a stock 10th Gen you can barely see out of the front, sides, or rear. The 11th Gen corrects that by use of better mirrors. If I use seat spacers I can finally see the hood of my 10th Gen and see the road better but out of the box the visibility is pretty bad.

[@andydhillon1977]

I'm going to put a K24 into my 2008 Mugen Si Civic and compare it to the FK8 performance. I'll make a video of it.

[@rubenruiz5795]

FD2 😍 the best era of real Motorsport todays civics just sound like vacuumes /:

[@3v4761]

The Ek9 everyone loves so much ...the B16b was built in Ohio so what would you consider a true type R if the most wanted is partly domestic

[@TassieLorenzo]

Yeah, I think he also misspoke by implying the engines in the English-made Type Rs were made in Japan, sent to England, then put in the car and sent back to Japan (unless he meant the EP3 when that was true). All the turbo Type R engines have also been made in Ohio AFAIK, then sent to England for fitment to the cars. The engines are still made in Ohio and sent over to be fitted to the new FL5 that's made in Japan too AFAIK.

[@3v4761]

@@TassieLorenzo so all this means is that the best engines are American engines

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@3v4761 Sure! 😄

[@3v4761]

@@TassieLorenzo 🧟‍♂️

[@peteh3313]

I don't think you can really comment on the EP3R unless you've driven one. Sorry, you just don't get how good it is. The FN2R was maligned and people are only now seeing it as a good Type R, but journalists made a big deal about how the EP3R was better.

[@easycheddy]

I know the ep3 type r doesn’t get much love but I’d like to see you review one

[@joescivic]

In stock form, for any car, it mattwrs what kind of dyno it was tested on. 256whp is super low. Sounds like a Mustang dyno. Most Dynojets are around 280whp. My FK8 made 295whp 306tq bone stock on 93 octane on a Dynojet. Several other FK8's have done around the same. Depends on which dyno. Itd be better to use 93 octane than 91 as well. The only difference in the Euro or Japanese versions engine is the gas used. They use 98 RON which is equivalent to our 93. So basically i can say my car is still 316hp stock in the U.S. if I wanted. Which i use that and when it was stock, it dyno'd 295 at the wheels like I said. Just throwing that out there.

[@dtrain1634]

Never driven an EP3… then please don’t slate it- the EP3 gear position is excellent… FD2 was JDM it was never for the UK market 😮 we got the FN2. The EP3 is a great car for the UK. The FN2 is not as good but better family hatch

[@fhowland]

Can you swap type R suspension into an SI?

[@kotarojujo2737]

you can techically, but not worth time and money

[@TheFK8Life]

No - just buy a Type R

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@kotarojujo2737 I wouldn't go that far to say there is no benefit. Perhaps just fit the Type R final drive (5.1) to the existing Si transmission (instead of Si's 4.8, so the 5.1 gives 6% more torque at the wheels in every gear). At the same time as fitting either the factory FD2 lightweight flywheel (5kg) or an aftermarket lightweight flywheel (4kg) in place of the Si's heavier 8ky flywheel (which is the older generation DC5/EP3 flywheel). That should get most of the benefits transmission-wise that the Type R has. If going forced induction I guess these little 6% gains are not important, but for NA, every little bit helps IMO! The LSD is otherwise probably the same or very similar, and the gear ratios of the Si are otherwise the same as the older EP3/DC5 Type R. I think the FD2 ratios have a tighter spread than the DC5/EP, but it's not a big difference.

[@johnmitchell2269]

EK9 with a K20a swap. That's the one.

[@jockihm831]

If the caribbean counts as North America we have tons of them

[@cozifpv2069]

Have you drove an Ep3 type r yet?

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Nope

[@cozifpv2069]

@@RoadsUntraveled You’re missing out on that gear stick position. I always wanted one and when I seen the gear stick it put me off, until I drove one and it just made sense.

[@captainmatt4692]

im going to get an FD2 when it can be imported to the US. The fd2 in my opinion has such a great chassis and great N/A k20 enguine. just sad how things now are just turbocharged when N/A type r are always better in my opinion

[@Graceful-Godfrey]

I feel like when things are non turbocharged people complain, but then when we get a turbo, people still complain and it’s why we can’t have nice things

[@frieddayfriday]

I used to hate ep3 too. But overtime i fell inlove with it. Hope to own one someday. EK9 still the best civic type r. Fk8 sounds so bad. Just yuck. 😅

[@j_b_m9550]

Im from Surrey Bc. Where is this beautiful country roads. Nice Civics😇

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Go out and explore! Plenty to find in BC. Glad you enjoyed the Type-Rs

[@napalmman8292]

FD2 not much electronics and it’s all up to the driver, hence it’s cheaper to maintain. While FK8 kind of relying on the electronic stuff, traction control, smarter ABS etc yet still able to go fast. The maintenance cost wasn’t cheap though, ain’t almost all the turbocharged racecar just expensive to maintain…

[@johnleewins3814]

Video is unavailable on this device. tried on phone and pc :'(

[@RoadsUntraveled]

I have spoken with KZbin support about this! Fix should be coming. Thanks for your patience :D

[@midnighthoon788]

old school rule!

[@Dirtywhiteboy118]

2033 I will be importing a FD2 to America like goal ! I’ll check in with you in another 9 years wen it gets here lol

[@ddrreii]

Should have compared the fk8 to the mugen rr fd2r

[@shauntan2266]

❤️❤️❤️🔰🔰🔰 I'm gonna keep mine as long as I could drive it . Our roads are not as good as Canada 😅

[@esdidff8369]

Which exhaust

[@Abc2zzz]

To the owner of FD2, how much did you end up paying all said and done?

[@lau2031]

It should exceed 40k...

[@lauwaldron]

You are looking at around 35-40k cad all in for an example like this! As of now.

[@TassieLorenzo]

@@lauwaldron Yep the prices for these cars have gone crazy in the last 2-3 years. They used to be quite reasonably priced imports in places like New Zealand about 5 years ago (around 25-30k NZ dollars, or 19k USD). A little more expensive than a used FN2 (or Civic Si) but not 3-4x more like now! Nowadays, the price of a 15 year old FD2 Type R is about the same as a 5 year old FK8 Type R (or even more in some cases) which seems crazy. But I guess the FD2 is very collectable.

[@YaYguy123]

i feel like this car is overshadowed by the integra and the ek😢

[@soadman13]

that fk8 is sexy!! looks super wide with the new wheels

[@RoadsUntraveled]

Right?? Incredibly wide for a factory car based off an economy platform.

[@Richard-Gore]

CSX Type-S? I thought it's the FD2 alternative for the left hand drive world. No the same but close enough, for countries that bans RHD cars.

[@rookietoprobuildz]

😭 I need to move to Canada so I can import a 7th Gen Accord (Inspire)

[@LiamIRL_]

what about the fk2?