The Ramones ft. Elvis Ramone 1/7

live show when clem burke of blondie played with the ramones which lasted for 2 shows. this is his second and last show.
songs included:
Durango 95
Teenage Lobotomy
Psycho Therapy
Blitzkrieg Bop
Rock n Roll Radio
live at City Gardens, Trenton, New Jersey, USA (8/29/1987)

[@fuhq1837]

I was at this show. Clem aka Elvis did a good job.

[@opaljk4835]

He’s not also know As Elvis

[@kth351twinvasion5]

Elvis, CJ, Richie & Marky should come together as the "REMAINS"

[@bluecold60]

Im an elvis ramone fan now

[@Oddrockz]

I think the criticisms from Johnny saying that Clem couldn't keep up is coming from the fact that Clem plays a little slower than how the Ramones played at that time. I find that this sounds much better than what was on loco live. I can actually hear the song and not be rushed through it and I'll never understand why the Ramones decided going faster every year was a good idea.

[@Scoot12321]

Because the prided themselves in being fast or “the fastest” I guess With thrash and hardcore music becoming popular, I fell like they were trying to keep up with that in a way. Keeping with the trends/pride

[@robertshubitowski1984]

@@Scoot12321 In the later years, it seemed Joey couldn't keep up--sometimes dropping a few lyrics to catch up to the band's sped-up tempo.

[@AgusVilla1.]

@@Scoot12321 I don't think it was for being hardcore and stuff like that, when you pay attention to the early days they literally played eighth notes all the time without skipping a single beat, and it's really tiring to keep up show after show, night after night, year after year. That's why they started going faster each year. It was good for them to save stamina as their shows were based to play 30 songs in a row as well, unfortunately their songs certainly lost its melody and style because of being too fast though.

[@Retfie719]

Loco live is utter shit

[@diegocervera834]

Con Richie tocaban mucho más rapido

[@drdevo77]

I was at this show! I loved it! They played fast for sure... I miss The Ramones! What a great live band they were! The Energy was out of this world! I liked Clem's drumming also!

[@rustwithoutrust]

Was his face writhing when he was playing that fast?

[@patricias5122]

I saw The Ramones, minus Clem, in Seattle, great band.

[@ckdpraha]

Clem is a kick ass drummer!

[@TheGrandmasterMan]

Joey is all over the place when he improvises and as a result he sometimes ends up out of time in certain places......Clem is solid

[@EnriqueTortellini]

Clem's pace is perfect for the Rocket To Russia songs

[@TheMomseloc]

They didn't kick him out. He stepped in at a short notice to help them out. He was busy enough with Blondie. Nice of him to help The Ramones. This performance is good. The drummer sets the beat. The rest of the band follows that beat.

[@Retfie719]

How could he have been busy with Blondie when Blondie disbanded in 1982, years before this concert?

[@chayimgoldberg7164]

He was out of Blondie by then

[@Tommy-TwigFan]

@@chayimgoldberg7164 maybe he didn't wanted to play on a band anymore

[@danberkman8227]

The word is that Johnny wasn't exactly pleased by how the sets turned out and Clem admitted he was absolutely gassed afterwards. Even if the gigs had gone well I am not sure Clem would have wanted to or even physically could keep rolling with The Ramones any longer.

[@lettoreentusiasta9374]

@@danberkman8227There are two filmed interviews. One with Johnny Ramone who called Burke's drumming "disastrous" and that he didn't keep up with the rest of the band. And a relatively recent one with Clem Burke who said that it was one of the most dysfunctional and nerve-wracking experiences of his life (i think it was true of course). Burke played quite well, technically he was 10 times better than the rest of the band but he couldn't do everything perfectly in two concerts.

[@elihartsoe6718]

this sounds way better than the way faster live stuff

[@ToneGrail]

I actually think Clem's drumming is closer to the speed of the records than any of the drummers the Ramones had. I like it much better than that rushed live stuff. This performance actually grooves.

[@NorthCascades]

Rushed, fast. All depends on how you look at it. I love that they played faster, louder and harder as they got older!

[@Retfie719]

Well. Johnny clearly despised that "groove".

[@AgusVilla1.]

Johnny already hated that groove because it was literally from 1976 tempo and if it was played like that he should have played all the eighth notes without skipping a single beat in songs like Blitzkrieg Bop, just for giving an example.

[@metalmacabre9991]

It's not rushed any musician knows that when you're playing live songs are played faster, the biggest reason is adrenaline takes over, along with the rush of being in front of an audience.

[@pawelte1]

I love the drumming in "Do you remember Rock n' roll radio".

[@ajrock817]

doesn't sound as bad as Johnny made it sound out to be...actually sounds like the albums..

[@HardlyRamone]

It's interesting how this clip prompted so much discussion about the Ramones' live tempos in the later years. Clem is definitely playing tempos right off the first album, which the band obviously wasn't used to anymore. Johnny almost sounds like he wants to go faster in places before sinking back into the slower tempo. Joey's vocal timing is all over the place on songs that had become really fast over the last ten years. As a drummer though, I can hear Clem is a TIGHT player as far as technique, but he also plays these songs with the wrong drum parts a lot of the time. Playing the wrong cymbals, crashes in the wrong places, fills are just wherever. He REALLY didn't play the Rock n Roll Radio patterns right. I can see how the group could have improved from here as a whole, but I can also see that it wasn't clicking fast enough, and they had shows to play. With all that said, I do personally prefer these more rhythmic tempos over the messier and faster style of the band's later years, but there are a lot of diehard Ramones fans who love that "Loco Live" sound. The band wanted to prove they were always a real force in the punk scene and not a group of dinosaurs who cap off at 200 bpm, which may not be what everyone cares about, but they earned their fair share of respect (and mosh pits) by doing it. Maybe it's for the best that the Ramones ultimately did a wide range of things with their sound that different fans can enjoy/respect for different reasons. The band seems to have successfully cemented themselves as punk gods and music legends, so they definitely did more than one thing right... more so than a lot of forgotten artists with a radio hit or two.

[@Vichedges]

Yeah the Ramones sounded horrible once they really started speeding up. It just was too fast. Ruined the songs. Clem was just the wrong drummer for them and I don’t think he had much time to practice. He was brought in because Richie quit and left them high and dry.

[@yuketu]

@@Vichedges They didn't rehearsal with Clem, he commented this on his Instagram other day.. So I think that's pretty good for a gig with no rehearsal at all, I like how Clem is drumming on this gig, just hate his Chanel N5 t-shirt on the photoshoot 😂

[@misfit2022]

Nothing wrong with Clem Burke’s playing here and saw him with Blondie a few years ago and he is an excellent drummer.

[@chazworm]

I'm so glad to finally hear this. The Ramones were my favorite band ever. Clem Burke was one of my favorite drummers. I heard his two gig stint with the band was a train wreck. This isn't that bad. It's more like the record actually. On all their other live records they sound like hamsters on speed.

[@gavinadams7272]

Best fuckin drummer ,

[@TheSickNeeds]

I wasn't there so I don't know what happened and people say this and that in interviews over the years. I saw a video where Clem said he was asked to join on Tuesday and played the first show on the Friday..... if thats a fact he must have known the songs pretty well already to even consider saying yes. It would probably take a while for a new band member to get comfortable with the on stage sound set up with a new band. I've never had the pleasure of having my own sound crew but to jump into a band and start playing live so quickly....and the Ramones don't exactly have long breaks between songs to noodle around with sound. Top that off with band members that don't speak that is one hell of a situation to jump into.

[@hooterstooge]

King Tut's Trenton City Gardens! I was there for this and I remember I was pretty drunk and thought it was me and then I realized it was the music that was unusally slow for them. Didn't matter I was at another RAMONES show and all was right with the world! R.I.P. JOEY JOHNNY AND DEE DEE

[@AgusVilla1.]

Joey's vocals were on point! Amazing. I guess if Clem joined a couple of months before Halfway came out and the tour started he would have had the enough time to rehearse their playing style.

[@whaffentranger]

Clem Burke a.k.a Elvis Ramone is a drumming GOD. He had nothing to prove helping the Ramones out for a few gigs. I’m sure he had fun playing with a band he had personally known for years on the New York scene.

[@doctoroblivion]

always curious what this sounded like! thanks for posting!

[@petermccartney9233]

i like this pace ..Like others have said ..they ended up far to fast and im a huge ramones fan ...but this speed is far better imo

[@Eurodandy909]

He is actually playing good, everything it's on place, and his drumming it's solid. Maybe if the rest of the band were not speeding up all the time it would have been a great set, despite him not matching the Ramones high tempo in their last years shows...

[@Mrpublicimagelimited]

Listened to 10 mins of this and it doesn't sound as bad as Johnny said it was, and to be honest in the last years of the Ramones' career the tempo was WAY too fast - so much so that it took away from the original power and momentum of the song, and Joey couldn't keep up! Check out 'It's Alive' before they went absurdly fast - it absolutely pisses all over the likes of 'Loco Live', a woeful document of a band murdering their classics..

[@Thompsdan]

Completely agree. This moronic assumption that faster is always better led, as you suggest, to the Ramones becoming largely unlistenable.

[@Atomic1710]

Agreed

[@magnonalmeida]

after Richie this sounds poor

[@_fabio1978]

Amen

[@cfs7338]

Only good tracks on Loco Live are some of their "newer" material, like Somebody put Something in My Drink. Songs like Rock n roll High School and Sheena sounds like a fucking mess!

[@phillarsson8253]

What did they expect anyway? Clem had to jump in after the sudden leave of Ritchie and with Ritchie in the band, their playing speed was raised with a rough 20% in BPM! Ritchie had a lot to do with this as he was a speed freak on drums. So when one gets thrown into live shit like this without much time to practice.... well, I'ld like to see a lot of experienced drummers taking it home! When I play along on Ramones-records on guitar and it's been a while, my right arm pumps up like I'm doing motorcross from keeping up with them downstrokes. It takes practice! All of you that critisize obviously don't play an instrument yourself.

[@steamengine4719]

Clem did it like a real professional drummer in studio tempo, just unfortunately Johnny wanted the band to just speed away at a higher tempo without having to be that accurate. Clem did a great job for practicing the songs just under a week before having to play.

[@ICA31]

This is cool to hear. Burke is an excellent drummer, not just with Blondie but w/ Iggy Pop and the Eurythmics. But as people have already pointed out, Ramones music takes a certain stamina, and you are not going to obtain it on short notice. Put it this way, if they had called Neal Peart under the same circumstances, I think we would be having the same discussion. Now if he had had more time to get used to how the songs are played, I think he would have been fine.

[@JesusGarcia-zx4yf]

Full concert!

[@budrocktim]

I don't understand why they didn't keep Clem as their drummer, I mean what they were expecting since they didn't rehearse with him long enough before performing live? Before Brain Drain tour CJ had around two months to rehearse and learn their playing style and ultimately he was able to make it.

[@user-ux4fo8gr9y]

I was at this show. Joey kept throwing dirty looks at Clem. It was a riot. Years later, I met Marky Ramone and told him I saw Clem playing with The Ramones. He hung his head and said , "Ugh." I got a chuckle out of that.

[@gbmistake3776]

Funny, cos Clem shits on Marky. Always did.

[@AgusVilla1.]

@@gbmistake3776 As far as drum technique it goes, no doubt about it. As far as Ramones playing style, which Clem himself was unable to make it, Marky is a god.

[@gbmistake3776]

@@AgusVilla1. Clem stepped in last minute to help, Mark had years to practice his speed. Give Clem the time, he'd have got the speed too.

[@AgusVilla1.]

@@gbmistake3776 We won't ever know, we can only speculate. The fact that Clem said and quote: "It was the hardest work I ever did while playing in a band" how that goes?

[@gbmistake3776]

@@AgusVilla1. Can I just ask if you're a drummer or not?

[@bittersweetriotpopinternat6719]

If I didn't know, I'd assumed the guy standing in at short notice was the singer.

[@LarzGustafsson]

Oh..The Blondie drummer was Elvis Ramone...Yes, it's all coming back now...

[@demitriv3022]

Loco Elvis live!

[@user-bu7ie2lp8m]

Fuckin proper drummer

[@ernie90900]

WHERE THE HECK DID U FIND THIS?!

[@TheBronxBunnyMan]

It's bad because everyone is off is a different way. Clem is usually playing album speed, but misses cymbals and keeps the the beat on the wrong part of the kit. Joey's singing at what was their live tempo at the time. Johnny and Dee Dee feel restrained.

[@sensacionsombria5125]

The only "fail" here is Johnny not being able to play his guitar solos

[@TheDukeOfPannekoeken]

just play at 1:25 speed and it sounds like Richie or Mark playing drums

[@badboy46528]

they sound different with Clem bit like Raw Power era Stooges

[@MrThecomdey]

clem burke kept a normal tempo

[@cristianobarducci1194]

Clem Burke è stato ed è un grandissimo batterista ma non adatto per i Ramones!

[@breal1183]

lt does sound a little slow and dragging to me. I guess im just used to the blazing live tempo of Ritchie and Marky.

[@Vichedges]

They sounded horrible live at the end when they went literally as fast as they possibly could. Joey couldn't even fit the lyrics in and even Johnny had to cheat every once in a while to keep up. I can't even listen to them live after they started speeding up. They were fast in 1978 but they sounded great. Why Johnny decided they needed to speed up is beyond me. It's Alive is such a great album and they're not fast (compared to later Ramones) at all.

[@zedblix1089]

@@Vichedges Exactly, I think Tommy and Clem were the only ones who knew how to keep the correct tempo in the songs and make them fun.

[@Vichedges]

@@zedblix1089 I just never understood why anyone would want to play that fast or listen to 30 songs played that fast. They had some great songs with great melodies but when they played at light speed it all sounded like crap IMO. I would have loved to have been around to see them live in the 70s. I saw them in 1995 or 96 on their last tour and it was just sad. They were just going through the motions and it was so fast everything sounded the same.

[@zedblix1089]

@@Vichedges That's right, I think his best time was in the mid 70s with Tommy on drums, especially between 1976 and 1977, even Johnny said they were his best years, I still regret that Tommy has left the band, since he left, it was never the same.

[@AllroyPA]

I blacked out at that show for a minute or so, was so damn hot in there. There was no pit per-say, the pit was everywhere!

[@zedblix1089]

Wow! In my opinion Clem knows how to keep the correct tempo of songs just like Tommy did, and I honestly think he does it much better than Marky.

[@axcrewe]

....the last of the Ramones.....Elvis :0

[@MaxViciousWorldOfArt]

marky it's the last one

[@leotorres5596]

c.j.

[@TheLarryburns84]

Richie???

[@Johnny777Juke]

5:01 Eins ! Zwei ! Drei ! Vier !

[@annaweberova6022]

Yes, I though I'm the only one who heard this.

[@patricias5122]

Which is Clem Burke, drumgod, aka Elvis Ramone? Third from left?

[@JoeMulk]

he wasn't so bad actually

[@gbmistake3776]

Clem and Ritchie are the best drummers Ramones ever had, with huge props to Tommy as well for setting the perfect tempo for the albums and early gigs. It sounded like muddy shit to me personally once they started to speed everything up. The first 3 album stuff all lost its groove and charm live. You can tell here the rest of the band were used to speeding through the set with disregard for the genius of their old material, but Clem is and always has been an absolute monster who hits hard but with real finesse, which doesn't transition well to playing fast.

[@SalDOWN]

he isnt bad at all!

[@DaneMarshall56377]

It’s hilarious how Johnny and Dee Dee are really trying to force him to drum faster. They’re purposely playing just a bit off tempo and faster because they’re pissed lol

[@TheKarsten75]

LIke some others here I think that clem burke plays WAY better than I thought according to john's interviews. But I LOVE the topspeed the ramones played later on with CJ on bass guitar. I also love how joey rearranges his vocals on these furious rides trough the setlists. loco live has other problems that make it so hard to listen to: the sterile sound, plenty of soundcheck overdubs and the horrible 1234 before 'I wanna live' (REASON??)

[@Headbanger142]

Probably a production goof. My copy doesn't have the 1-2-3-4 part though.

[@TheKarsten75]

it is to be found on the euro edition. us version starts properly :-)

[@DJDansound]

were can I get this?

[@eduardocarvalho2554]

Vim pelo Régis!

[@cfs7338]

Listen to Durango 95 here, then the version on Loco Live, and tell me which is the better. I wish that the Ramones would've somewhat followed the original pace of their earlier tracks! The Shows would've been a lot more diverse with the slower, older stuff and then the fast, ripping later material.

[@idontnowdude]

this isn't as bad as I would've expected, its actually pretty good. but, I honestly I don't think his drumming suits the Ramones. Also, It seems like Dee Dee, Johnny, and Joey are constantly trying to speed up as well.

[@yermanno]

TEENAGE LOBOTOMY MUY LENTO¡¡

[@pfordsq]

@GameAssualt I think it was this show and two at The Ritz , NYC.

[@delalicanto7432]

The disaster was Ramones and no Clem. This proves that they not listening the tempo and the drummers always run after Johnny... They have to listen drummers tempo

[@escepticonmusic4611]

oh my god.... tommy, marky and richy is faster than this!

[@shr3ddur]

Clem Burke is a thousand times better than any of the other simple drummers the Ramones had !

[@georgemcmenimen1413]

+shredder Tommy RULES!!!!!

[@LetsGoMetsGo33]

Yeah Clem is real good, but not at playing Ramones music. As for their other drummers, only Tommy was simple, skills-wise (he was a non drummer, but a visionary guy). Richie is fairly powerhouse, and in 2014 was the featured instrumentalist on drums for the Pasedena Pops Orchestra for an arrangement he put together of music from Westside Story. As for Mark, check his drumming in Dust, Estus, and Richard Hell & the Voidoids. He knows his way around the skins. He simplified his drumming to suit the Ramones successfully, Clem did not.

[@gbmistake3776]

@@LetsGoMetsGo33 Ritchie is a trained jazz drummer. He could run circles around Marky, Clem is and has always been a monster too.

[@LetsGoMetsGo33]

@@gbmistake3776 Richie is great. Mark is good too, if there is any doubt, listen to Dust (not to mention Road to Ruin). I’ve read both of their autobios, don’t remember that much jazz from Richie. He learned it, but as for bands he was in mostly played rock, pop/covers, funk rock, new wave, and of course, Ramones. He is the best Ramones drummer, unless we grade Tommy on the same curve we grade Johnny and Dee Dee on their instruments, and I do… but lets say after the first 3 albums, yeah Richie is the best.

[@condor.67]

"Elvis Ramone" lol

[@danielscissorhands]

@solitedo2e No, that would be Ritchie.

[@SalDOWN]

yes, the same opinion here....they just didn't give him time to practise their speed/style of playing.

[@MrConan72]

you actually know how fast he is already playing? actually hes killling it. not just the speed. he sounds present controlled and relaxed.

[@matthewblack5860]

It just shows how physically hard it was to drum in the Ramones, Clem a great drummer but his style just didn't suit the Ramones.

[@matthewblack5860]

All drummers have different styles, very few drummers could play at Ramones pace.

[@naspoja]

i am jealous :)

[@7thDayAtheist]

Clem, Clem...whaddayadoin???? I know Johnny lived through the concert, but he probably would have burned every copy of this if he could have found em. Especially RnR Radio. Don't get me wrong - loved Clem in Blondie, overblown ego and all, but this ain't real squeezed orange juice; it's Tang.

[@jellohudson3735]

I was at the show standing close to the entrance of the stage as the band was lead to the steps at stage right I reached over and felt clems jacket because it looed like 'pleather' and it WAS (fake) and I thought to myself, man this guy didn't even put out the money for a real leather jacket it was a faux black motorcycle jacket. maybe he was vegan?

[@chad5908]

It's a no for me. Good drummer but if I wanted album-speed I'd listen to a studio album. Live Ramones is all about the high energy.

[@MarianofFire]

it's hard to play ramones drums. Elvis was loosing it all the time

[@lexmarks567]

he was sacked cause he couldn't keep up

[@rackaid14]

5:12

[@caseyjones8949]

nice tempo

[@lexmarks567]

Yeah clem is great for rock and heavy metal for the speed of punk hes too slow for the live shows. for studio he would be fine but live he sucks.johnny said clem couldn't keep up.

[@LeaBlender]

Hubiera encajado bien para fines de los 70’s.. ya que en la época dónde participó era necesario ser más agresivo y veloz, por eso mismo no perduró.

[@AgusVilla1.]

Para esa época, y si lo comparamos con este show, Tommy tocaba más rápido que él y sacaba más limpio el sonido del hi hat. Creo que Clem no pudo ensayar lo suficiente para encajar en el estilo y adecuar sus técnicas a lo que el grupo hacía en vivo.

[@diegocervera834]

Richie el mejor baterista de Ramones a parte cantaba y componia

[@Manzaniatico]

JAJAJA LO ESTABAN PROBANDO A ELVIS, IBAN MUY RAPIDO JOHNNY JOEY Y DEE DEE, YO CREO QUE QUERIAN VER QUE TAN RAPIDO PODIA IR EL NUEVO BATERISTA,IGUAL SUENA SUAVE ,NO ME GUSTA, PREFIERO A MARKY TOMMY O RICHIE LOL WHAT WERE TRYING TO ELVIS, JOHNNY VERY FAST IBAN Joey and Dee Dee, I think they wanted to see how fast I could go the new drummer, SMOOTH SOUNDS LIKE, NOT LIKE, I PREFER TO MARKY TOMMY O RICHIE

[@betaville72]

Good solid versions which could have been imrpoved greatly if Joey had just stuck to singing the songs like he did on the records.

[@LosVideosDeFideo]

@horrorflesh Punk

[@animaginaryboy_]

im pretty sure its his symbol work. it does sound right. but who cares? its punk rock!

[@HotGeneration200]

Its not that bad really. All he needed to do was speed it up.

[@somoslostroadosorno1909]

punk rock *

[@A2Z83]

Elvis was in the band for like a week. Not even long enough to actually be named a Ramone. Elvis Ramone was just an idea he had. He was terrible at the show. The whole band thought so. luckily Marky came back sober just in time.

[@danimal715]

The best Ramones drummers were #1 Tommy, #2 Ritchie, #3 Marky. Tommy created the classic sound that everyone remembers them by where he had soft touch which Chris Stein in End of the Century says jelled the sound together. Marky basically just bangs it out every song - good on the rockers but monotonous after a while. Ritchie played on 2 of the best later Ramones albums "Too Tough to Die" and "Animal Boy in '86, I saw them in'86 and they were great! They were never the same again - they started playing faster, Joey's voice went out and it was a joke starting in the later 80's where I saw them again and they sucked

[@karl_karlson]

It's Tommy (1974-1978) Marky (1978-1982) Richie (1983-1987) Elvis (1987) Marky (1987-1996)

[@karl_karlson]

***** In my opinion he's a part of Ramones history and should be remembered.

[@MaxViciousWorldOfArt]

richie played in 3 albums

[@philmstud2k]

KarlKarlson lol, sober Marky couldn't hold a candle to thrashed Marky

[@zedblix1089]

Tommy was the Best for the band

[@stevenicholls1986]

I admire Clem Burke (Elvis).. Admittedly this recording ain't great. But Clem's drumming style doesn't work at all, with there 'live' stuff.. Personally I'm a Richie fan... I like the faster stuff.. But each to their own :)

[@enna1913]

Agreed. Great guitar player, sad human being.

[@vitocusss]

Ciertamente y como bien cuenta la historia, este baterista no sirvió para el estilo “Ramones” ...se quedaba un paso atrás y parecía bajar la velocidad en medio de los temas...

[@rafan1947]

noone knows the date of this recording?

[@marcelopilegi3075]

live at City Gardens, Trenton, New Jersey, USA (8/29/1987)

[@hirskdubbi]

nah,he plays it more professional.I couldnt take dee dee goin 1-2-3-4! at the beginning of every song and it didnt match the tempo.This is the most professional lineup they ever had.Just listen pin heads

[@Retfie719]

Dee Dee's counting never ever matched the tempo

[@naspoja]

not punk. that is R.A.M.O.N.E.S.

[@alessandrosarnella9208]

I agree they ended up far too fast with cj on board, but if u really pay attention you will also find out that clem style just doesnt fit....... maybe its the hi hat,.....I dont know but theres something wrong here....

[@gavinadams7272]

To be honest the rest of the band were shite compared to clem

[@martinowens3162]

Worst Rock 'N' Roll Radio version ever. Glad Marky came back to save the band if not those two years 1987-88 would have been lost for them trying to find a new drummer

[@ricardo25891263]

he plays too slow