Robby Hoffman DESTROYS Me and My Lifestyle | WHGS Ep. 232 | Full Episode

[@ashgavs]

Kylie Appreciation button. Hit the like on this comment and then go follow her on instagram @kylievincentthefirst.

[@kylierosevincent]

@@ashgavs my mommy

[@ashgavs]

@@kylierosevincent gross.

[@SpaceyD]

Bird is brilliant. Truly.

[@momakesvids5704]

@@kylierosevincent KYLIE YOURE SO HOT!!! luv u 🥰

[@circleofleaves2676]

Bird is fantastic and so is Kylie.

[@Safi-Dee]

The skill and grace Ashley and Kylie show as hosts in this ep is 🔥 Super entertaining ep, but the second hand stress I got was intense at times 😂

[@spook6394]

Fr I was not expecting a little debate about Ashley’s relationship 😂😂 but like you said it was fun anyways

[@goldenmomo85]

This was THE most tense episode ever! Ashley you never cease to leave me in awe of how you navigate your different guests. I do love the fact the Robin does not put up a mask in order to be tolerated or accepted. And many of the critiques she makes about our contemporary society are soooooo on spot!

[@ashgavs]

I appreciate that.

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

I agree with everything she said to be honest, but I’d never come out and say it like she did lol because I’d feel like an asshole. And I mean people live their own lives. I Kinda admire how straight up she is lol, but also admire your composure and professionalism and stoicism despite her comments and opinions

[@LenaBernal-x6t]

My favorite Ashley line yet: "You can critique my clothes, but I love my girlfriend very much." Thank you for giving visibility and representation to those of us in secure, loving, and open/ENM relationships- and normalizing that they do in fact exist. Embracing sexual exploration is not gluttony, and it's not for lack of discipline. You and Kylie handled the episode with such TRUE confidence and grace- yet standing your ground and for each other when it mattered. I'm always excited for a Kylie episode, so I just wish I got to see/hear more Kylie! Hope she'll be on again soon/more (although all the co hosts are awesome too!)

[@chewie.speaks333]

God when Rob went on that tangent about how great her family was and how “protected” she had been after Kylie talked about their family I wanted to leap through the screen and give Kylie a hug 😢. While I can appreciate a person who is themselves at all times, this was a painful watch. Kudos to Ashley and Kylie for handling this energy the way that they did 🩵 will always love this pod.

[@bekcytalyor]

I'll be honest, i did laugh at the beginning when kylie said "this is like karma for you" to ashley, but wow. I got to the end of the episode and thought "you know what, ashley may have a "mean"ish persona for bits sometimes but she always reads the room and checks if she went too far or said something too offensive. She genuinely cares if shes accidentally hurt someone and will apologise if she feels she took a joke too far. I really admire and respect that about ashley." And thats what im taking from this episode!

[@BusNerdz]

Finished the episode and immediately upped my patreon membership to the next tier because whatever money yall are receiving to endure this, it's not enough 😳

[@aliyah6943]

I really liked ashley saying "kylies a great story teller so let her do her thing" because i feel like the interrupting / (fake?) antagonism can be funny when you're just casually riffing but when someones telling a story let them do it !

[@significantsoil5345]

Ashley went full protective big sis mode❤

[@kylierosevincent]

I love that girl Ashley gavin

[@TheKartShow]

The part right before that had me in tears from laughing "maybe the bears are more in here, rawr" 😂

[@ruthjuran3613]

Kind of weird when you have a guest on though to tell them to let their cohost riff, I think Robbie was right that their was more appeal to have her on for clout than her comedy cos if you've seen anything that Robbie does you would know how she was going to be.

[@hannahhowden8980]

It was more the disrespect towards Kylie that was uncomfortable vs being interrupted but yeah Ashley did a great job hosting

[@karyharps]

This is good contrast for people who can't tell that Ashley is being fake mean

[@3Oh3metrostation]

TRUEEEE. I hope they are paying attention to what it looks like when someone is actually yelling to be mean and disrespectful and not caring who it hurts. There is a big difference and its especially noticeable here where I did not like how Ashley and Kylie were treated one bit.

[@tuesdaysdt]

This is a really great point. ❤

[@CloudSturgeon]

It seems unprofessional for Ashley to Like this comment, with its implications being that her guest is, by contrast, genuinely mean…

[@mariposaa13]

@@CloudSturgeon I would normally agree with you, but she quite literally said it in front of her face on the show

[@sergbastian5]

@35:25 "Growing up, the only time it was awesome was when we went camping, and now I camp full-time. I'm homeless." Omg spat out my drink, this joke did not get the attention it deserves. Still laughing

[@alisonantaramian3352]

honestly... props to kylie for holdin it down

[@kylierosevincent]

lol I’m still shaking

[@RainbowzAndShit]

​@@kylierosevincent Thank you for being so open and vulnerable about your childhood. As someone who had an equally disastrous one - I really thought you deserved a much better reception to your disclosure and I really still hope there comes a day where people actually know how to react to someone who has been through things like child abuse / mentally ill parents / neglect etc. You were the MPV this episode for me.

[@kylierosevincent]

@@RainbowzAndShit ily. Thank u. Rock on to us

[@ariverdreaming]

Yeah I was hearing Ash go silent to ongoing not really funny critiques on her lifestyle and Kylie was like “I got you brother, you just let this go for an hour and shut it down and I’ll light hearted react for both of us until then”

[@geemaso]

@@kylierosevincenthugs. I liked Robby for her opinions on big issues but she tries to hard to be too philosophical without considering other people’s feelings. she’s not allowed to have opinions about people’s trauma…. So tone deaf. So sorry.

[@cozycornerz]

the irony of her cutting Kylie and you off to tell you to wrap it up, get to the point or that the topic was uninteresting and meanwhile she rambled on and on about herself and her family etc for too long & it def became uninteresting 🤔

[@circleofleaves2676]

Yeah the hypocrisy was alarming.

[@pourAdaydream]

Listened to this episode while folding laundry then came to YT just for the comments 👀 Glad we’re all on the same page 😅😅😂

[@3Oh3metrostation]

I'm just gonna say it. Robby is obnoxious af and full of herself. She thinks her opinions are facts and that she must be smarter/better than everyone else and is too close minded to hear disagreement. The way she asked Ashley where she buys her pants, Robby was literally itching to insult whatever Ashley answered even though Ashley clearly admitted that she needs help with shopping. Robby just enjoys being mean and lecturing people how to live their own lives. If any gay wants to have a biological child, ignore robby and do what is right for you. Just because she hates something and created a double standard for straight people, doesn't mean it can't work for someone else.

[@delaneykeller1389]

I'm 20 minutes in and I feel like I accidentally did cocaine

[@_asantesana_squashbanana_]

Damn, you weren't wrong. Lol

[@gwenquigley7624]

First: I did truly appreciate this episode. I don't hate watching people clash in their perspectives; it feels productive, like a learning experience. That said, holy- Ashley and Kylie, you both handled this really well. This was genuinely exhausting to watch. I typically walk away from a WHGS ep feeling energized and excited about the world and the people in it. This was not that kind of experience. I'm tired lmfao. I don't actually think any of this was a bit Robby was doing, but I know I don't know her or what she's really like. I didn't like what I saw here. Is it bold or rude or mean? It can be all three, actually. Boldness is great, but there were moments here that were so unempathetic... I guess, to Robby's point about honesty, I'd say: it IS possible to be honest and empathetic. I value honesty a lot and I don't like niceties that much, but there's a middle ground where you can avoid causing undue hurt for the people around you and speak with empathy about people living differently than you do. Anyways, not a fun ep for me, but it was one that I appreciated getting to watch! Thanks, Ashley!

[@ashgavs]

Thoughtful review! We can't win them all. Thanks for sticking around.

[@3Oh3metrostation]

​@@ashgavs Couldn't agree more. Having a diverse set of guests with unique experiences is a good thing for listeners but jeez... did not realize Ashley had this degree of patience for condescension.

[@aliyah6943]

For the first 15 minutes i thought robbys whole vibe was just a straight up bit that she was going to drop but then i got further in and it no longer feels like that... which is fascinating! I feel like ive got a lot to learn from Ashley in terms of how she navigates such different personalities on the pod

[@3Oh3metrostation]

Ashley had a LOT of patience

[@stikkinixx]

I think it started as a bit and eventually became her personality, which she then exaggerates for entertainment purposes. I've seen clips of her from a looooooong time ago. She could also have been masking back then though. I don't know her 😆 But I like the way that people who do know her deal with her. Ashley & Steph Tolev are great at it, as well as Gionmarco Soresi. They just don't take her too seriously and give her shit right back. Steph lived with her, which I can't even imagine 🤣

[@wanderingphotomagician]

I love Kylie more & more each time she’s on the podcast. May have to go back and start an official binge, since I’m new here.

[@vallentinac9513]

let's be real, anyone having kids is doing it for "selfish" reasons, it's to fulfill one's own desire to become parents -- why would we expect gay people to do it for altruism?

[@raapyna8544]

I agree, we want kids for same reasons we want sex - because we are animals in the world. That's all. If you're an angel, you foster kids you can't keep.

[@3Oh3metrostation]

insane double standard from robby that she couldn't explain. gay people have every right to want a biological child the same way straight people want to. if someone chooses to foster then good for them.

[@mariefiedler7203]

Felt a bit like a emotional cutting to watch this whole episode. Like the part in me that needs to heal from childhood trauma kept watching so it gets triggered^^ and I can learn a lot from your inner peace Kylie and Ashley ! To just listen and let it pass like a storm. I think I would have walked out. Conversations with people like this always feel like a pressure cooker for my inner tension. And I love that you make it possible to hold space for all these different perspectives. We need to talk to each other, and accept the reality of the others perspective. there’s no other way to safe humanity. It’s incredible conversational art what you do. Thank you I’m learning a lot.

[@kylierosevincent]

This was the closest thing I’ve had to a heart attack

[@julianoor-kk3rx]

I wanted to give you comforting shoulder squeeze half way through. The freight train of emotional obliviousness was something to behold.

[@kylierosevincent]

@@julianoor-kk3rx giving virtual hugs back xx

[@hellobell123]

@@kylierosevincent “ok now it just feels like your rubbing it in” *ouch* I felt that one

[@momakesvids5704]

so it was weird as hell in person too? lol

[@Keirlost]

you made this episode an EPISODE!!! wouldn't be great without you

[@hlc834]

I’ve seen interviews with Robby before. The second I saw her name I knew it would be intense. To put this as diplomatically and sincere as possible, she seems like the kind of person that is surrounded exclusively by very self-assured confident people because if you’re even 1% unsure or self-conscious about your identity/body/personality/etc you’ll leave any interaction questioning your existence .

[@finkleycarrot]

and therefore i do not see her approach as practical. impatient and smart, but not practical in the broader sense. but she would not care lol

[@MSkp4wo]

Yeah, that's an interesting assessment. The whole episode I kept being reminded of how my mother is, and the whole time tried to figure out what it is that makes a person act like this.

[@significantsoil5345]

I just finished watching the whole episode. I have so many thoughts...what I feel is necessary to say right now is, Ashley I love your work, respect your talent. I love that you have someone who loves you and the fact that she's drop dead gorgeous is cherry on top! I love that you get to explore what a healthy, secure relationship looks like and get to have awesome adventures that you so kindly share with us on this pod🫶 And Kylie, your riffs were hilarious! I watched your special and all I could think the whole time was damn the girl is a genius! Both of you did a great job on this episode 👏 you deserve a pat on your backs!

[@ashgavs]

Thank you

[@3Oh3metrostation]

@@ashgavs Same. I don't think I say it enough but Ashley I respect the heck out of you. I think you are a talented person with kind morals and I appreciate all the episodes of the podcast.

[@beethovenjunkie]

Robby talks like my 93-year-old grandpa.

[@finkleycarrot]

oh that's why this was so stressful lol

[@mariefiedler7203]

Fuck you’re so right that’s why half of me was dissociating :D

[@MSkp4wo]

I was just thinking Robby talks like my mother.

[@emilypumpkinseller]

Kylie is amazing and, while this wasn't a very haha episode overall, is so funny. Her humor is my ideal type. Love when she's on the podcast💕💕💕💕💕

[@styxcyprus8266]

literally hate to say this but this is the first guess i’ve genuinely disliked, it’s literally a comedy podcast and i saw her half-laugh maybe once or twice 🥲

[@tambob82]

Kylie, you are a really beautiful person! Been living in my Van with my cat for 6 years now. In that time I've become a motorcycle mechanic and am now becoming a welder. And I herd goats and ride motorbikes for fun. I grew up in a trailer park in England, maybe it's that. I live in Germany now, moved here alone when I was 17. NEVER be ashamed or embarassed about providing yourself with a cozy nest! You're saving money and energy, both of which you can use to further your experiences and become EXACTLY what you want to be. You fucken rock dude.

[@kylierosevincent]

@@tambob82 holy f!!!! I love this thank u!!!! I do love my alternative life I’m so glad u do too!!! It’s the best.

[@jasminavery-boyce7003]

I get brutal honesty and enjoy it but it’s coming with a hefty dose of negativity, judgement and superiority from this guest, tried to be open minded with this episode but the rudeness, fuck me, it’s a bit much you know, actually left me in a shitty mood. Can’t win them all I guess. Massive fan of the pod in general and think you handled it well , I’d have been pissed with all the shushing and shit, just no

[@ashgavs]

I'm sorry to hear that it made you feel shitty. My apologies. I knew the vibe would be different in this episode as soon as we started and I wanted to do my best to highlight the strengths of the dynamic. Can't win them all!

[@jasminavery-boyce7003]

Oh god don’t apologise, I just get a bit over invested and honestly I will be watching both pods regularly 👍❤ think you handle intense guests really well not that my opinions matter, isn’t it weird how strangers on the internet feel protective of podcast hosts they like. Anywho, looking forward to the next one x

[@mariannetfinches]

This episode was fascinating! Also, I watched Bird a couple months ago and it's really brilliant. Highly recommend.

[@loischoy5328]

You can see the moment Ashley’s face went from hehe haha kekekeke to wtf

[@justAiose]

Ngl, kinda insane vibes this episode 😂

[@megggiezombie]

I truly appreciate the realness when talking about everyones family dynamic

[@austinwayne8137]

Genuinely feel like I barely heard Ashley or Kylie talk this entire episode. I’ve listened to every episode of WHGS & this is definitely my least favorite one.🙃🙃 Robby does have her funny moments but I felt like she just took over the whole episode and made it about whatever she wanted to talk about. Love the pod, Ash & Kylie & every other episode! Thanks for all you guys do! Can’t wait for next week 😊👍🏽 Adding: Very hard to watch/listen to the gays not having biological kids thing after Ashley has spent so much energy and time freezing her eggs to have her own kids. I think people should be able to have children however they want. I am a trans man and would kill to have a biological child but that’s just not in the cards for me.

[@raapyna8544]

Yeah opinions are like assholes, everybody has one. And you should have consent to share it. I feel like people either have an urge to procreate or not, and whatever justifications they make for it come afterwards. One of my friends once argued that it was not right to make more children in the developed world because there's so many people and so many orphans, it turned out she has endometriosis and she doesn't want to give birth anyways. Like yeah you could have that opinion also. But that's not a reason not to have kids if you really want them. Because if you really want them, you will find another justification. Like we need to have young people to take care of elders, and adopting orphans is not really a political action. And so on. Here's my opinion: family planning should not be political. It should be proceeded with care by those people involved. It's a privilege to be able to do family planning. That's a blessing we should appreciate. I think it's great that women have the power to choose whether they want to give birth or not. And let's be honest, in the alternative there would also be many cases where the biological father is not the parent. So I told this friend that I've always wanted children, but because I'm bi, it's at least 50% likely I can't have my own easily. She then softened and said she would support me. People who have strong views often have narrow views. It helps to hear others' perspectives.

[@madelinezerse2349]

As much as it may have been a bit, thank you for bleeping the R-word. This episode felt like a lot of "punching down" humor wise, for me that made it a very tough listen. This humor "style" felt like a lot of negativity and condescension under the guise of a joke. I appreciated so much the way Ashley navigated how the guest was treating Kylie, and good on Kylie for holding down the fort.

[@3Oh3metrostation]

Exactly! Bunch of excuses to just act like a hateful jerk. I give Ash a lot of credit for how she kept patience and kylie for pushing back especially about how gay people shouldn't get to have biological kids.

[@geemaso]

Robby’s only time she got one on one time with her only parent was when she took a 10 minute bath before other siblings were added to the bath. That speaks volumes about her slight narcissism and big presence she demands in any space… constant interruptions, demanding respect, does not get sarcasm, cannot laugh at herself and putting others down to prop herself up. She truly needs to be seen…..😢

[@_asantesana_squashbanana_]

This.

[@scotthawkes74]

I'll just say this episode confirmed how much I adore Kylie and Ashley.

[@Miss.sassycassy]

Shout out to Kylie for breaking up the discomfort of our dad being brutally ripped apart😂😂

[@KalhyceK]

Listening to Robby is like an acid trip for me that have never done drugs. If you find her shocking or too much, I would advice to watch the interview they gave to Made it Out podcast. It changed my view of them completely. They are a very intelligent and thoughtful person who has gone through a lot and has a very particular view of the world. Thanks for the interview Ashley, it was hilarious!! and wonderful ❤

[@3Oh3metrostation]

Personally, I don't care when someone is shocking or blunt or loud. I've watched some of her Made It Out episode but I don't think a person's past experience is ever an excuse. In my opinion, robby is judgmental and condescending. She may have a unique world view that is worth sharing and philosophies that I agree with but I don't know who she thinks she is. Just bc she hates gay ppl having biological kids doesn't mean its not the right choice for them. Robby offered to help ashley find pants and asked her where she's been shopping but then you can see Robby itching to insult whatever ashley answered... She simply enjoys being an a$sh0le often. Just because Robby is smart doesn't mean she's always right. There are other smart people but she's too close minded to hear disagreement or to be open to growing or learning from someone else.

[@rainbowsprinklesonryebread]

Paying for biological kids vs adopting is not just a gay thing idk why thinks only gay people should have that responsibility. Lots of cis het couples are infertile and pay for ivf or whatever, that is the same thing.

[@nahadoth2087]

Yea, that was a republican level shit take.

[@daniel.lennon]

This is an essay I'm so sorry. TL;DR it's so inappropriate to insist someone you don't even know is autistic, especially when you lack cultural understanding and nuance. Just let people live and figure it out on their own time, if there even is anything to figure out. Now onto the essay: Robby honestly touches on something really important that isn't talked about enough in the conversation about autism - cultural differences. The people who study autism primarily study western cis het white males. The diagnostic criteria and testing don't account for the differences in various cultures, ethnic groups, races, etc. that can alter how traits present themselves. A lot of people from other cultures either slip through the cracks and don't get diagnosed or they get misdiagnosed as having autism when in reality they're just from a different culture where their behaviour and way of being is the norm. People from other cultures or parts of the world may be nurtured to have traits that, in our culture, might appear to be autistic traits. Is Robby autistic, or are her "autistic traits" actually a matter of nurture rather than nature? If her way of being is considered normal in her culture, who are we to say that it's not? In addition to that, there are people from other cultures (or from our culture but with a different ethnic background) that are autistic but they aren't identified as such because their traits present differently than that of the stereotypical cis het white boy who's really into trains. For example, I've heard Black autistic people talk about how their autistic traits - like special interests, stimming, and even social difficulties - were missed because they look different due to their Blackness. I once saw a Black autistic creator say that one way that they stim is by twerking. From the perspective of a non-Black psychologist, they might just think "that's just because they're Black, not autistic" because they lack cultural understanding. Sure, twerking stems from African cultures, but that doesn't mean it can't also be a form of stimming for some people. Robby talked about social differences in her culture vs where she lives now. As a white Canadian who was born and raised in Toronto, my social difficulties that stem from my autism will look different from an autistic person that grew up in the same community as Robby. She mentioned the superficial "how are you" as an example. I feel the same way that she does about that kind of pointless small talk, but it's "weird" for me because I grew up in a culture where it's normal and expected to interact with people in that way. It makes me uncomfortable because it feels so pointless and kind of like a trap. How am I supposed to respond? Why should I lie and say I'm fine if I'm actually not? Why ask if you don't want a real answer? Robby expressed similar sentiments, but that's normal for her culture and community. Her and I may appear similar in a lot of ways socially, but the context is actually extremely important in determining whether one (or both) of us is autistic. People lack a lot of nuance and understanding of cultural differences in the conversation about autism and it's a huge issue. People will be so quick to "diagnose" someone as autistic without actually knowing the person or their life. As an autistic person, when I'm asked a question, I often have clarifying questions in return because I don't know how to answer without enough context. If the question is whether or not someone is autistic, there needs to be context. It's not just black or white, yes or no, this or that - the answer is that it depends. I get that people get excited when they relate to someone, especially after feeling ostracized and different throughout most of our lives, but we can't just say someone is autistic based on a surface-level "examination" of their character. It honestly really bothers me that people insist on *telling* strangers on the internet that they're autistic. It's one thing to say, "hey, I noticed XYZ and I'm curious if you've ever considered that you could be autistic" if you know the person, but to say, "oh, you do XYZ therefore you are autistic" is so inappropriate, ESPECIALLY if the person has already touched on it and said they're not or whatever. It's none of our business and the person will figure it out in their own time if there even is anything to figure out.

[@evelyncontino7106]

I’ve read through the comments and realize this might be a different take, but if you watch the video rather than just listen, you’ll notice something else going on. Ashley and Kylie seemed almost entirely focused on each other, barely acknowledging Robbie even when she spoke. As a guest, Robbie deserved more effort from the hosts to make her feel included and comfortable, but the dynamic felt awkward from the start. I have to commend Robbie for holding her own despite this. I know others may see it differently, but when you have a guest, it’s crucial to make them feel welcomed and engaged.

[@caitlindmurray753]

Oof this was a rough one. I don't usually comment and I watch a lot of your content. I just wanted to hug you and Kylie. The maturity and professionalism was outstanding. You could not have handled it better. Big love ❤❤

[@Freyascend]

25:23 “Take it, accept it, feel uncomfortable about it, and deal with it as a person” thank you Robby we all needed that

[@NANCYREYES-y2b]

Absolutely Love Robby. I didn’t know I needed her in my life.

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

Fucking hilarious

[@stargazerkittycat]

I normally love this show, but this was so hard to watch. I am glad some people in the comments seemed to have stilled enjoyed this so at least someone got something out of it! I left feeling awful! You and Kylie are incredible love you guys so much

[@erinirish7148]

Fuck. This was rough. I'm liking this episode solely for support.

[@circleofleaves2676]

Same. Didn't like the ep/guest. Love Ashley and Kylie (and Maddie and Alex) and love the Pod.

[@significantsoil5345]

Same

[@ariverdreaming]

This whole dynamic felt like Robby feeling slighted by Ashley not inviting her on sooner and deciding to step all over her for the episode, burn the bridge and leave feeling avenged. I tried to give Robby the benefit of the doubt the whole episode but by the end I was just not laughing. As a non-monogamist person I absolutely think jokes about the poly community are funny I love to roast us too but making a hard moral judgement against other people living their lives differently when it’s not hurting anyone is just more of the shit I already deal with existing outside the norm. The story about Robby’s childhood was interesting but Robby’s bits were all punching down and poor Kylie and Ashley trying to both acknowledge that and also finish the episode. Ash and Kylie handled everything so gracefully and skillfully, I listen to the pod every week and am continuously impressed by their hosting skills (and Maddie and Brianne). Good thing Robby clearly stated she wasn’t ever doing another episode cuz I don’t want it 🫡

[@circleofleaves2676]

Exactly. The lateral prejudice was icky.

[@esthermaples4456]

The dynamic was quite different, the looks on Ash's face were hilarious, always great to have Kylie along 😊

[@frimchi]

I adore Kylie 😊

[@ellycook9057]

This chick just expressed how all autistic and other nurospicy people feel while trying to say she isnt autistic 😅

[@liasnclr]

She’s said on other podcasts she thinks she is 🤷🏻

[@lindsay9473]

I think it's important to point out here that it is extremely difficult to adopt or foster children if you are a queer couple. Most adoption agencies in the United States are funded by Catholic and Christian churches, and they require couples to be Christian themselves in order to adopt. This may be changing now, but I know historically this has been a major barrier for queer couples.

[@violetaflorecita]

As a chronic ppl pleaser this felt like exposure therapy 😂

[@marym7975]

I feel like we all were making eye contact with the people around us and smiling with teeth. Curveball episode, different vibes for sure. Interesting episode!

[@cassidyb7631]

The takes on fostering are not it. Its not like picking out a puppy at a shelter. Fostering is complicated and does not guarantee adoption, not to mention the trauma for the children, having the emotional, physical, and financial capacity to help those kids with said trauma, the other costs associated, the barriers especially queer people face in being even considered for foster/adoption. The best potential parents can wait YEARS for a placement that may never even happen. Also, a lot of the time now, the goal for fostering is actually reunification for the children with their birth families. Outright adoption isn't even always an option unless you go through a private agency to wait for a pregnant woman to give birth, which is not that different from the "cow" 🙄 surrogacy, and js extremely expensive and not guaranteed. Kids for queer people is deeply complex and personal, and not as cut and dry as "here's a kid, just take them". If you're gonna have such strong opinions on fostering/adoption, make sure you have the knowledge to back it. That whole thing was painful to listen to. Nobody should be shamed for wanting a family in whatever manner they choose. And the "gay people want it all" bit- why shouldn't we? Isn't that the point of lgbtq+ liberation? Was that a weird moment of internalized homophobia? What a take. Kudos to you Ashley for staying so composed. I would have popped off and my partner and I don't even necessarily want biological children. Just wow. ❤

[@tarabrighten1974]

This reminds me of when I met my non-Jewish in-laws for the first time and they did NOT tell me everything I needed to change about my life so I thought that they didn’t like me 😄 It’s hard to explain the culture behind her conversation style

[@olive_4u]

Even though i didn't personally click with her as a guest, I'm at least glad that people so far haven't been mean in the comments. Many interesting discussions this episode, which is nice

[@ashismyname21]

@50:20 Ashley clocks the footwear planted on the couch cushion😂

[@ez7017]

Everyone mad at robby being tounge in cheek, shes a comedian, not an activist or politician. Whacky as hell, I'm intrigued by her persectives. Its confusing yet refreshing and Ashley and Kylie handled it well. Good ep 👏👏👏

[@Dem.iiii.]

Don’t think I can pass my morning movement after this one folks. Props to you Ashley and Kylie, at 58:30 I wanted to leap through the screen lol

[@rush_amanda]

24:26 "is that just a kosher side note?" 🤣🤣🤣 the subtle defense omg lol

[@bellahawthorn4575]

Robby: don’t interrupt me unless you have something interesting to say Robby: *constantly interrupting with pointless rants about how Kobe dying was his fault and how he/him is the only good set of pronouns and interrupting people before they can possibly get to something interesting*

[@cozycornerz]

Thiiiissss is what annoyed me most about this episode!

[@lookingfortherain]

God, that was a wild ride. You and kylie did your damnedest to bring some levity to this episode. It couldn't be easy having someone, who can't hear the words coming out of their own mouth since they never stop talking. I'm pretty sure I would have kicked her out as soon as she started shitting on your relationship.

[@janetttx]

Loved this episode!! Really appreciated Robby’s takes! Probably not popular takes but important perspectives to make one think!

[@cozycornerz]

Her "controversial" takes were fine to share but the way she rambled and cut others off like they were the boring ones was killing me

[@suchapinkprep]

And now we see why she never got an email😂 Ashley and Kylie, you handled it so well!

[@karagarcia9317]

Omg I love Kylie so much: I’m in observational mode. 😂😂😂

[@bellahawthorn4575]

Ikr as an extreme introvert I’m definitely stealing that line

[@DabOrDieTryin710]

Honestly couldn’t even finish watching this one 😣 But BIG love & respect to Ash & Kylie ❤❤

[@jessicadoherty5121]

59:28 kills me with Ashley just being like 🧍🏻‍♀️ while her eggs are being frozen

[@natacharossi5647]

I felt like watching a rabbi talking for 1h straight, this was hilarious 😂

[@rmnaeveee]

Hi! I'm a teen fan of the pod and have always felt that, as others have said, one of its greatest strength is true diversity in guests' backgrounds, personalities, temperaments, and viewpoints--in a way that feels encouraging me because that the pod itself becomes a testament against the idea that there is any one queer experience or belief (even as it honors common threads that run through various queer experiences). Really blown away this ep by @ashgavs and @kylierosevincent 's respect of what makes the pod so interesting, even when I'm sure it was a tense experience--both in the moment & when deciding to let the ep free into an oft-critical internet landscape. Y'all handled it with such grace for the guest and your audience, prioritizing both aspects over personal comfort with great skill. Also, while I can definitely understand criticism of Robby, I personally love a grouchy guest, and was obsessed with the Fran Lebowitz-esque humor this episode, as well as Ashley's ability to let it play out even when she was the butt of numerous jokes (or even just plain criticism!) No one can both take it and dish it out (especially sooo many male comedians who could NEVER reign in their ego enough to handle something like this) like Ashley, and that's what keeps me coming back. Sorry for the long comment--usually don't have any commentary, but felt like adding my two cents this once :).

[@ashgavs]

This is the best comment I have ever received. Thanks you, makes me feel seen. And from a teen! You’re a great writer and obviously some sort of genius. Can’t wait to see what you do.

[@jadynromero8175]

To each their own❤ I know Ashley doesn't like to be compared to poly people, but I don't see us as that different. My husband and I have been open from the start, 10 years in and still strong🎉

[@ashgavs]

oh it's just bits. i just try to make clear to people who aren't familiar that it's not relationships. i know im under the umbrella.

[@Hoodlum467]

As a screaming lesbian it is absolutely hilarious to watch two other screaming lesbians on a podcast 😂

[@s.r.3738]

Read all the comments before listening to this as I've listened to their episode on Made it Out. I'm praying i can get through it! 😂 THANK YOU, KYLIE, YOU SAVED THIS EPISODE FOR ME. LAUGHED SO HARD AT YOUR REMARKS

[@ashgavs]

I'm not sure how made it out is, but if its interview style as opposed to conversational, it might be a better flow

[@s.r.3738]

@@ashgavs It is. I enjoyed it, but Robby made the host uncomfortable as well. This was much worse, for me at least. But you and Kylie made me laugh a lot. Thank you!

[@hannahhowden8980]

DAMN…. I now have a very clear idea of how the too far podcast got it’s name 😅

[@Idkmanjustgowithit]

I watched Robby in Ali’s podcast in the past and now again here. Her personality is just so odd yet intriguing because I’ve never seen anyone like that before

[@MSkp4wo]

you should talk to like any immigrant mother then lmao, exactly this personality

[@mariannetfinches]

Only halfway through but this is fascinating! I watched Bird a couple months ago and it was brilliant! Highly recommend!

[@nichellechristine1252]

Whoooa. This was definitely a more difficult ep to watch. Had to reapply deodorant half way through. Cannot imagine hosting orrrr editting this one. Big shout out for the grace and restraint from you two. As someone who doesn’t have the same beliefs as Robby, I do think it’s valuable to hear voices like theirs (can’t always live in my left gay bubble). The unfortunate part for me (maybe because it’s the comedy world, which I know little about) is the lack of openness on Robby’s part. Perhaps it is wrapped up in bits? As in, they could have an open conversation not in the comedy space? Woooof. Anydooooooodle. Appreciate the pod! Gonna half decaf coffee now.

[@nena7316]

im only 15 min in, so far this feels like dinner w my family (my family is broken lmao it often doesnt end well lol so idk what that says about this ep so far ahahaha)

[@Meghan.E18]

Can you PLEASE have Danae Hayes on the podcast I BEG YOU!!! Idk if you’ve had her on but if you have then have her back. You two would be an iconic duo

[@mrsloveandbeauty]

The distress on Ashley’s face 44:27 😂😂😂

[@chickpeanoodleho]

I have my own opinions & thoughts on this episode, but I’m curious to know what Ashley & Kylie’s thoughts are. Overall, just wanting to affirm you (Ashley) and Kylie for continuing to be yes men & really supportive to group & keeping the pod moving forward ❤️

[@Crytotherhythm]

This went from “I think this is supposed to be a bit and I understand that I should lighten up and find it funny, but it’s not funny” to “oh I think I was wrong she’s just like this yikes” real fast. Ashley and Kylie, your patience here is incredible. I don’t know if I would’ve done as good of a job not getting riled up.

[@May-om7ck]

Listen my 2 favorites comedians are ashley gavin and robby hoffman . I very much enjoyed this i cried laughing out loud. NOW knowing and following robbie on everything she does i know for a fact she is going to reflect on her actitude here. She is human and she is a student of life. Trust me. And im here for her growth. And also Ashley is human too i think it was super interesting for them to collide and learn. AMAZING podcast. One for the history I see so much future in them .We should enjoy witnessing it.

[@Keirlost]

I admire how Kylie and Ashley handled this ep. great hosting!

[@kileybatchelor]

I first saw this guest on Made It Out podcast. I was so taken back by their POV, it gave me an uneasy feeling. I kind of knew what I was expecting, but honestly the tension in this episode was much worse.

[@aspiringtentacle]

Huge fan of Robby for many many years now, I've been wondering for a long time how this would turn out lmao In a way it really highlights the differences between Ashley (riffs) and Robby (bits) The problem with a bit is that it CANNOT be interrupted (eg the Happy Meal bit), so not really suited for this pod format And kudos to Kylie for holding it down, very intense ep but still she got quite a few jokes/questions in She simply HAS to meet Rachel Kaly, there's no question (she's at the Fringe too) and the polar opposite of Robby

[@jaxonstars1018]

I really loved this episode, it’s so refreshing to see such a different perspective especially from someone who’s so bold. I won’t be surprised if the general audience reacts poorly to her but I’d love to see her on again

[@emmabunch-benson4795]

She’s v entertaining

[@tiffany.pdx.1985]

I loved it too!

[@alaina9997]

loved this episode! one of my favorites

[@em.a.httpss]

Big respect to Ashely for keeping the podcast going despite the seemingly for-real comments Robby was making. I would have certainly struggled to keep a straight face in a conversation that took a turn like that, let alone while doing my job. 💪 p.s. This may just be a me thing, but in retrospect I think I would have appreciated a heads up for the “don’t have biological children” part. cause man that was a heavy thing to hear on a Monday morning. Just pointing it out in case it would make sense for other particularly heavy/intense episodes in the future.

[@ashgavs]

Apologies that was an oversight. We will add trigger warnings for something like that next time.

[@em.a.httpss]

@@ashgavs thanks man!! i appreciate it 🙂

[@3Oh3metrostation]

@@ashgavs Sorry you got blindsided and attacked as well. ❤❤ You handled everything with grace and patience.

[@notmyrealname550]

I have been waiting for this for so long! I love the banter!!

[@Green02226]

Robby is great so not likeable but great loved this can’t wait to see how this episode is received bahaha

[@jot0725]

Still no idea who Gabby is 🤷🏼‍♀️ if that makes anyone feel better about anything...

[@bellahawthorn4575]

Lol me neither

[@SofiasBio]

lol ashley looks so straight next to robby hahaha

[@hyleore]

starting this before bed was a bad idea.

[@circleofleaves2676]

I might not sleep for a week.

[@bekcytalyor]

I got up to Robby calling Kylie a r-word and said "I think that's enough for tonight..."

[@grape12345]

i thought robby was toeing the line at first but by the end that was kinda batshit

[@ein1412]

this one was hilarious oh my god 😂

[@samanderson2447]

you should have caleb hearon on the pod!! he is the funniest man on the planet to me rn

[@thefunkyfinds4478]

Not my favorite guest. She is sucking up all the air in the room throwing off any possible dynamic. Stating your opinion in such a I’m right and your wrong kind of way… doesn’t make you better. Unfortunately, I also can’t stop watching. I’m sure the reason is because toxicity is interesting to watch.

[@cozycornerz]

She just kept rambling and dominating the convo/pod. I wanted to hear from funny Kylie and funny Ashley more.

[@dylanmaxey2531]

Robbie is sublime in social commentary.

[@nena7316]

7:11 lol 4 minutes in and ashley already seems so stressed out lol this ep is making me feel nervous already

[@miahpow6841]

personally, I loved this episode lmao

[@significantsoil5345]

Girlll I got stressed in the beginning of this pod 🥵

[@ashgavs]

i'm still stressed

[@significantsoil5345]

Spoke too soon, I stayed stressed the whole episode and kinda mad after🤦🏻‍♀️

[@hellobell123]

@@ashgavssame.

[@momakesvids5704]

@@ashgavs are yall okay?? 😂😂😂

[@3Oh3metrostation]

@@ashgavs ❤

[@cruzywuzy1266]

Never seen this pod but came for Robbyyyy!!!

[@laurencooks5471]

I'm surprised that Ashley brought someone even more brash than she on the show, impressed even. I would assume that this would be the type of guest that Ashley would shy away from bringing onto the podcast, but she took the challenge and obviously has a strong backbone. Was good to see.

[@ashgavs]

I don’t shy away from anyone unless i think they could hurt the audience, I would bring George santos on the pod if I could because I think it’d be interesting

[@circleofleaves2676]

Ashley has had people on the pod before that are more toppy than her, but their toppiness still allows and encourages and thrives on give-and-take, and they're respectful. This toppiness was suffocating.

[@3Oh3metrostation]

@@ashgavs George Santos is a crazy character! I was rolling on the floor listening to the Binchtopia episode about all his scams through the years: Evil Gays Get Results (ep 142) ! Love how insane he is.

[@laurencooks5471]

After watching this, I went on to watch Robby on other podcasts and now I am convinced she just doesn't like Ashley and wanted to make navigating this episode as hard as possible for her. Robby gave other hosts grace that she did not have for Ashley, or Kylie by association.

[@mero8374]

i watched it till the end. damn how did y'all feel afterwards? 😅

[@finkleycarrot]

for once i felt glad my monday hours got cut. RIGHT back to bed LOL