Nukes In Foxhole

[@coldplay5467]

I would like more town battles where infantry fight against each other without armor!

[@RobertLovesGames]

Same! We need some more urban areas in Foxhole. I love town battles. One of the first things I did when I played the game.

[@GrifShorts]

I love tonks

[@shoelugs]

Well we wardens won 101 and 102 without nukes because we have a tendency to nuke ourselves

[@RobertLovesGames]

I mean I think this might have a lot of truth to it ha

[@alexvandenheuvel4757]

I was Collie for the last war. I didn't have an opinion on the Nuke or no Nuke, however I wished we didn't tech up so fast. It felt once T2 buildings were available it wasn't very long to get to endgame techs. I like to see longer jumps in tech. Also they gotta figure out what to do with copper/aluminum/ etc once we researched everything. All that stuff that we were hunting for was instantly garbage and many new players joining the late game didn't understand that. So either make it useful or don't let it spawn once everything is researched.

[@brickmickbrick]

Maybe for tech stuff if you collect a lot of it you can spend it to make upgrades to tanks like make them have more armor or be quicker or for logi vechicals make them have a couple more storage slots or carry more weight etc

[@Dadamage372]

Good video :). I am enjoying the wars without nukes forces players to fight till the end

[@RobertLovesGames]

Thanks for the kind words! And I am as well! Thanks for your input! Cheers!

[@mamonetv253]

Nuke is fun and tactical. i like them want them back with rework. i did organize a nuke and it's a great achivement to do in game. rework the spotter job. didn't think about it so no idea for now.

[@RobertLovesGames]

They can be fun if used correctly and not for memes lol. I want them back as well but hopefully they are a bit different. That is awesome that you worked on a nuke team! I would love to do that when they come back. Thanks for your input and love your vids! Cheers!

[@lordgong4980]

Have a no nuke war ever so often is good and should be done maybe every 5 or so Wars just for variety. But I like nukes and want them in the game

[@RobertLovesGames]

Can you talk about what you like about nukes? I'm just curious is all and I can get behind your idea for sure!

[@lordgong4980]

@@RobertLovesGames When used "correctly" a Foxehole nuke is a in War event(something sorrowly lacking in the game). Everyone knows when they are happening and if they are successful. They(nukes) literally erase towns so even if you aren't on when they hit you know it happened. Basically they are the only War event that happens and everyone is aware of it and can see the results of.

[@NoEndingInSight]

Nukes were needed in the past due to how strong towns and concrete were. AI Howie garrisons would also activate against tanks and infantry. But now with fire being able to counter repair teams, seige tanks being able to be stockpiled for large assaults, AI Howie garrisons only activating against enemy arty and the most important part: The proliferation of Rail Storm Cannons; towns and concrete mega bases are not that much of a challenge anymore in the late game. If the Nukes were to return then I could see them as having less damage radius and being rebuildable after a cool down. Maybe affected by wind as well? That way firing one into a storm would mean that it could wildly change direction when the wind changes. But they should only be added back in when the offiense vs defense pendulum swings back to defense from its current sway towards offense. As a side note, I'd kinda want planes to be added as a replacement such that you call them with a radio backpack like a nuke but they'd just drop a couple of 150mm shells or drop supplies in. It'd be a great way for people not able to enter a region due to a queue to still be able to effect the frontline through supply delivery or damage by loading and supplying airfields.

[@WoodyMarmot5225]

Im famous 1:19, you can see me in the corner! I Got Nuked at CGATE! War 100!

[@RobertLovesGames]

LOL!

[@jerryofswords3502]

Perhaps different levels of nukes.Maybe with the introduction of train and rockets you could have nuke like train launch middle that are aimed like a nuke but do not have the scorched effect so it would like a 1 hex range weapon that can be fire at bottle neck like blemish or major bridges to prevent the really grindingly late war arty fest that happen along major river and the wall

[@RobertLovesGames]

I like this idea! It would be good if they played around with some different ideas like these. It's really to bad like traditional games that they don't have a way to play test anything before a war starts. I know they have their test server but you can't really test new things out well unless it's in the war. Thanks for sharing this! Cheers!

[@averymorin6651]

I still can't say I enjoyed war 102. For the whole war I was having to put up with alts in Origin. I fight for the colonials and having had to put up with so many alts it just made it feel like they cheated to win and only makes me want to get back at them the same way, but I won't stoop that low.

[@RobertLovesGames]

Sorry to hear you are putting up with alts still. I've seen some say it's at least happening a little less than it did before. Hope the alts slow down and they all get reported soon. Good luck out there! Cheers!

[@Van_of_the_lake]

*I LOVE WARCRIMES* *I LOVE WARCRIMES* *I LOVE WARCRIIIIIMES!!!*

[@RobertLovesGames]

LOL

[@ap1709]

Watched this right after the war 117 colonials should not have nuked buckler that had a factory and ogmaron which had a garage and with a refinery at fading lights we had basicly all our resources to turn the frontline into our new backlines to keep moving forward.

[@RobertLovesGames]

lol! Agreed. Some of those nukes fired were questionable. GGs!

[@constantinuslefug2874]

I've never liked nukes. As a Warden, I've always been confused why Warden clans rarely use nukes effectively. Most of the time we use nukes on logi-towns we are on the verge of liberating anyway. Take this for instance 1:30 Now, I don't know what war this is and maybe there is context I don't know about that justified this, but look: The city is surrounded and on the cusp of being liberated. Why nuke it? We could have used the seaport. Oddly enough, the enemy has a better track record of effective nuke usage. Some people mocked them for nuking Callahan's Gate in War 100. Well guess what, that was a good idea and after nuking it, they pushed us out of the hex entirely. Meanwhile, Wardens can't even hit their target half the time. We literally nuked the ocean in that war. I genuinely don't understand why the disparity. The different player bases average out on a skill level when all is told. But not in nuke usage.

[@RobertLovesGames]

Yea I'm not sure what goes on with Warden's and nukes as well. Seems like it's always just for the meme's. Which can be funny sometimes but not when wars last 55 days and it makes the war harder for your team. There just needs to be an implementation of nukes where one nuke team can't ruin it for their entire faction. Thanks for your input! Cheers!

[@Peter-qd7do]

@@RobertLovesGames Spud here, Iv been in the meetings where we plan the nukes and discuss strategies. Getting off a nuke in war 100 and even many wars before was exceedingly hard. Like.. Really hard. We would try over and over again and not manage to get a launch. The generally accepted doctrine seemed to be you needed the entire push to protect the spotter, otherwise the attempt failed. That belief I saw born out in practice. Obviously the ones that failed never get heard about outside of the regiment, don't show up on reddit etc. and so all you see is the ones where the nuke hits the logi town while in the process of taking it, ie the ones that actually succeed. As for the truly meme ones where we nuke something totally useless like the dam, believe me once you have tried to launch a nuke 10+ times the idea of launching it at a totally useless target for the laugh gets very appealing. We go punch drunk after many nights staying up far too late trying to do something serious in low pop hours. On the topic of "we could have used the seaport" To get industry you need to hold the town for 3 days, enduring constant attacks 24/7. By the time nukes roll around most of the regiment is too exhausted, and we nuke stuff we don't think we can commit to hold. Generally the call from the officers to "just nuke it we aren't gonna try to hold" was met with relief from the rest of us. Those QRF battles are very draining on personnel when ur up against the colonial regiments who seem to have unending energy. Having to answer 3 or 4 QRF calls per day to deal with serious ops to try and take back the city before we tech gets old fast.

[@RobertLovesGames]

@@Peter-qd7do This was really good insight to how a nuke group works. If they ever come back I would love to work with you guys some time if you decide to do nukes again. Thanks for the input and letting me know about this! Are there any specific changes you want to see to nukes at all? Or maybe just let them rest for while ha

[@tomjordan7606]

Take a super heavy tank, give it nothing but a single MG turret, and put a stormcannon on it. Drive up, press x to deploy, it then fucntions like a normal storm cannon, with shells and firing happening externally. Get rid of nukes and give us more mobile Arty.

[@insanecrazyman7637]

I like the idea of a nuke in the game but I think it should be destroying an entire hex / entire town instead but I also can't exactly give an opinion either since I'm unsure how being a spotter works since I am just a logistic player, saying that I still enjoy the idea of nukes being in the game and giving players a quick way to take a hex with the nuke (just have to use it correctly)

[@RobertLovesGames]

Destroy an entire hex?!? lol that would be wild. Yea the right idea is there for nukes but maybe just not the implementation. Thanks for your input! Cheers!

[@insanecrazyman7637]

@Robert LuvsGames like I said I like nukes but also wish they were more powerful xD is just my opinion is all xD

[@RobertLovesGames]

@@insanecrazyman7637 lol I respect it I would even try it for one war.

[@janjosef1234]

i had a lot of fun this war and the Changes were pretty good even the Tremola Changes were not as Bad as i thought

[@flakcannonhans6170]

Tremola change is fine, lunaire just needs a larger price increase

[@janjosef1234]

@@flakcannonhans6170 Agreed would also help against Gas Spam

[@nickisan]

Raboert LuvsGames: "...Two even sides..." Raboert LuvsGames: *laughs in STD*

[@RobertLovesGames]

I'm still not sold after one war the STD is all that great. I want to give it 2 more wars and if it's that bad I will for sure call for nerf. Or at least nerf the 94.5 shell.

[@flakcannonhans6170]

A satchel nerf I can agree with for the sake of a builders sanity but they did too much. Satchels feel useless in almost all cases. If I need to blow up something something with a decent amount of health I’ll use a cutler. If there is something with a lot of a health like a T3 bunker then I’ll use havocs or a flame tank. But I just don’t see much of a use for them, like it can’t even 1 hit a watchtower

[@jeffreymakuch2493]

They should have just removed them altogether instead of give them to one faction while also adding a new lategame neutral infantry demolition item for both factions. Unfortunately, these devs have a real problem not using assets, let alone removing items altogether.

[@jeffreymakuch2493]

Devs wouldn't say this, but they were disabled for bug fixes, mainly dying/invulnerable spotters that still get the launch to complete. The VP count should not be reduced bc of no nukes, War 100 had nukes which were used, the 'last VP queue' still happened into both Moors and Clanshead Valley - it pretty much always happens for the side who will clearly win. If one team skill issues hard with nukes, that's their problem, not something the devs should fix. Something they should fix is the fact that in 'standard'-ish north-south start conditions, one faction (Wardens) have an additional nuke in their starting territory at Scarp of Ambrose and Evil Eye. Those launch sites should be moved to be split between the factions.

[@Astrosk1er]

Tbh I was busy most the war but when I did play it was a hell of a lot of fun

[@Astrosk1er]

And it really did feel more even, just which side could use their equipment to the best of their ability

[@RobertLovesGames]

Exactly! You get it! Thanks for your input! Cheers!

[@ceskoslovensko3055]

Well i think they should be like this hammer to destroy a point of incredible resistance. Like last resort weapon to end the war for good. Its not fun sitting in a 40 player queue trying to get into a hex.

[@0smartask0]

War 102 was fun until STD came out……constantly watching collie tank lines get absolutely obliterated with wardens taking few casualties when they played it right.

[@RobertLovesGames]

I'm with you. I did make a video about STD's and how they might be a tad overtuned or at least 94 shell is. Hopefully change on that soon! Thanks for your input! Cheers!

[@averymorin6651]

It will probably be the same thing this war if we don't hurry and take as much region's as we can. If we don't build ×10 their tanks, we're gonna wrecked again just because they have a better weapon platform

[@brickmickbrick]

In my opinion just change the shell to a 75mm or weaken the tanks other characteristics like make it weaker or slower or even have a higher chance to get tracked the design premise for the tank is how much of the tank will you sacrifice for heavy gun and shell

[@trixer230]

Maybe in the future plan your scripts around more then just reading the wiki page as a "lesson".

[@RobertLovesGames]

Thanks for the feedback! Always looking to improve! Appreciate it!

[@theAmdisen391]

i do not understand nukes, all it takes is alots of people and hard work. no tactics at all

[@jeffreymakuch2493]

Yeah, kind of like Storm Cannons..

[@gabrielgoh4722]

No nuke ?

[@RobertLovesGames]

No nukes

[@Thermobyte]

2:33 One of these dots is me haha

[@RobertLovesGames]

Lol how long did you have to wait?

[@Thermobyte]

@@RobertLovesGames not long actually, maybe 20 min. I had a flatbed of 150 shells though so that might have helped. It's Thermobyte btw, I noticed my name is different here 😂

[@RobertLovesGames]

@@Thermobyte Ha nice! And I thought it might be you!

[@supersasquatch]

not a fan of nukes...

[@RobertLovesGames]

Care to explain more? Any particular reason? I'm indifferent only because I like really long wars ha

[@whiteoscreen2383]

you just don't want the warden to nuke them self also no nuke is a buff to Warden :D

[@RobertLovesGames]

You caught me lol that is the real reason