Robin Aitken on BBC Bias, Diversity and Social Liberalism

[@triggerpod]

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[@allsop09]

Get Tommy Robinson on as soon as he leaves prison. You'll get 1mil views ;-)

[@david0fc]

Could you upload to bitchute or 3speak? Also wouldbe great to follow you on steemit, minds, gab, mewe, parler, etc.

[@juliegard1195]

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[@juliegard1195]

@@allsop09 Lpp

[@juliegard1195]

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[@StrategicWealthLLC]

Much respect to your guest. He is an honorable man and his thoughts mirror many of the lessons offered by Dr. Jordan Peterson.

[@colleennobbs7218]

I really like your platform and both of you guys. It’s very good. Intellectually stimulating and very fun especially for a conservative like myself. Keep going. Please.

[@kesfitzgerald1084]

What a lovely, thoughtful man is Robin Aitken. I particularly enjoyed his last observation and found myself agreeing with not only his but your (Konstantin) views on this matter. Thank you chaps.

[@conrad1on]

The worst thing about the Andrew Neil/Ben Shapiro interview is that the focus on Ben's (admittedly bad, even by his own estimation) performance somewhat overshadowed the fact that even the supposedly great interrogator Andrew Neil appears to now favour the terrible 'interview' technique of dredging up someone's old tweets and reeling them off one by one as the interviewee struggles to remember even writing them in the first place. This tells us nothing useful about the subject of an interview other than how good they are at countering repeated 'gotcha' attempts with pat responses, and frankly is one of the reasons I'm happy for old media to burn.

[@sephus99]

Twitter history morality show trial. I'm not sure it's possible for the interviewee to go along with it and have a successful interview. As a viewer we don't learn much and unless we hate the interviewee will probably find it emotionally draining. That interview was happening because Shapiro had written a book and was there to promote it. Interviewing him like he's a politician who is trying to conceal the truth is a bizarre approach but could work if it was about the ideas in the book.

[@chrisdon8827]

15:40 You want to pretend people who support Tommy Robinson are rabid for their criticism of your stance on Tommy. That's not it, it's just that your seemingly deliberate misunderstanding of everything about the man is so egregious, false and odious that it provokes an emotional reaction from those who have bothered to understand what is actually going on and have a shred of basic decency. Most just can't decide why or how understanding eludes you, thus many start questioning your basic decency. Does that help alleviate your confusion over those 'unreasonable Tommy Robinson supporters', as you seem to insist on characterizing them?

[@ariellawaltman6693]

I don’t think they should voice opinion until they view his Oxford address on KZbin then the can make a fair assessment either way.

[@gillespaling7039]

Lol basic decency and Yaxley Lennon? He's a degenerate thug

[@chrisdon8827]

@@gillespaling7039 And that opinion makes you an idiot, a classist, a slimey white guilt SJW, or an Islamist. Gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your're just an idiot who believes the BBC, which is pretty abysmally dumb but not necessarily morally deficient like the others.

[@gillespaling7039]

GodsOwnPrototype He was convicted of assault, that's thuggery in my books. I don't care for the standards of the degenerate left, we should not steep down to their level, courting Yaxley-Lennon is playing with fire.

[@gillespaling7039]

chris don i am not any of those things of which accuse me, however have two brain cells to rub together hence know it is prudent to stay way from a convicted thug and rabble-rouser.

[@hcwcars1]

Welcome back 👍🐸👌 this is my favorite 60 minutes of the whole week. Thank you 💛💚❤

[@gerryclaffey5737]

One of the best interviewees you have hosted to date. Wonderful guest and so lucid and articulate .

[@borderlands6606]

I disagree with Robin Aitken about Britain being bad car and steel manufacturers. On the contrary, the UK has always been superb innovators in design and engineering, light and heavy. What happened to those industries was a failure of management. Basically the nationalised industries decided in was okay to make bad cars. This is portrayed as a bottom up issue (Red Robbo, et al), but was a willingness to abandon a culture of excellence in favour of a culture of crap, that permeated down to the workforce. It coincided with a belief still evident in the remain vote, that "they" are better at everything from cars to systems of government, which is endemic in the British psyche and is not born out by the facts. One of first casualties of lack of self belief is lack of standards, in everything. Self doubt and social liberalism go hand in hand.

[@seanmoran6510]

Borderlands What happened was a steady decline in industry over a long period of time Especially from 1914

[@borderlands6606]

@@seanmoran6510 People bought cars in greater numbers than they did in 1914, or even the 1990s when the UK stopped volume car manufacturing. Europe hasn't stopped making cars, I don't buy the argument of inevitability.

[@borderlands6606]

@Grey Chip Yes, I also disagreed with Robin Aitken's assessment that the financial sector was what Britain did well. The sacrifice of a mixed economy was meant to make the UK permanently beholden to external chains of supply. The railways are another example of a domestic industry with huge depth of expertise that was hamstrung while the EU split industries into regional specialisms. Completely unnecessary, anti-competitive, anti-national tactics.

[@satnav897]

I'm glad it didn't air on time. It gave me a chance to watch one of the old episodes.

[@davidwarner2914]

Can you imagine the following that these interviews would get on mainstream TV.

[@HughSmith]

I don't understand why your not getting 100k views. Great interview

[@alexm3392]

youtube algorithm, maybe.

[@defenstrator4660]

At this point I would suspect KZbin has it’s thumb on the scale. Can’t have people seeing the wrong message after all.

[@cwg9238]

"authoritative" sources get priority in accessibility and search results.

[@dickymclorin1191]

Cos you're not sharing the videos Hugh. It's all down to you mate ;)

[@truffleshuffl]

Yes Konstantin, I’m so glad I’m not the only one to have thought the saddest thing is he didn’t ask him a single relevant question. I think Ben should have done his homework though. He was expecting a polite british conversation.

[@istvantoth7431]

Indeed. Particularly agree with your last thought.

[@nowitsclear]

I find it interesting how,despite its left-wing leaning, the BBC overreport on far-right wing candidates in other countries' elections. For France, they kept talking about the far right (who was 100% not going to win) and hardly mentioned the 2-3 serious contenders like Macron

[@triggerpod]

Robin touches on this later on in the interview. Thanks for watching!

[@Bert86]

The BBC is not left wing, did no-one see the panorama doc?

[@gavinbissell8847]

They want to portray an evil "far-right" rise to try and encourage people to turn to their "left" way of thinking as security.

[@Cunnysmythe]

@@Bert86 what panorama doc?

[@TheDailyGroov]

Another fascinating conversation, many thanks all.

[@reclaimingtherainbow6028]

This was a pleasure to listen to. Robin Aitken's main point was spot on - that the political ruling class are social liberals and that social conservative opinions are redacted from any public debate or conversation. It's why Conservative voters have felt despised by the party leadership for many years. It's why many parents feel that the school system is imposing world views on their children that they feel profoundly uncomfortable with. It's why many of us have no faith that the authorities have any idea how to tackle gangs and gang crime. It's why the family has been redefined from a moral covenant to a collective of economic units.

[@andrewwood7303]

Well done lads. This is exactly what’s missing from mainstream media. You encourage your participants to take the time to express their views in a conversational format which protects (aside from you two ribbing each other) the dignity of all involved. You expose your viewers to true diversity. Thank You!

[@beachdancer]

I challenge the idea that the social liberals only deal with physical reality. Many believe in patriarchy, gender fluidity, and other transcendental beliefs.

[@ega9499]

As someone who is pro choice and not a fan of Ben Shapiro I actually think that Aitken is spot on about Andrew Neill's lack of professionalism (though he doesn't call it that but that's what it is). A professional interviewer would have prefaced, "you're taking us back to the dark ages" with "some people have said..." In fact get rid of the loaded dark ages comment altogether, simply ask, "why do you support this legislation?" With follow up questions such as, "some people who are against the legislation are concerned that women who fall pregnant through rape will be forced to have their rapist's baby, what are your thoughts on that?" This is what people are fed up with, the partisan nature of so-called non-partisan govt media. There is a place for partisan media elsewhere but we must have some non-partisan sources, particularly if it's tax payer funded. Canada's Steve Paikin is the only interviewer I can think of who I can watch and have no idea what his personal views. He is respectful of everyone and polite, but firmly keeps them on track. In any case his style of interviewing gives people with repugnant views enough rope to hang themselves. I suspect the bombastic style of some of these partisan interviewers just covers a lack of skills. In any case it misfires because you end up sympathising with the interviewee. But perhaps I'm being a little unfair to Andrew Neill because perhaps he realises that if shows any degree of impartiality and allows Shapiro room to express an opinion, will be seen as giving Shapiro a platform, meaning Neill will be toast at the BBC.

[@RoastRat]

Excellent analysis! I was struggling to put my finger on why I found the Neil/Shapiro interview disturbing, and you've put it in a nutshell. I also think that Andrew Neil bringing up very old tweets was trashy.

[@ega9499]

@@RoastRat Thank you for your comment :)

[@ChrisVaz92]

If you watch every single Ben Shapiro interview (such as Piers Morgan) you can see he is calm, collected and well spoken. Somehow, Andrew without really doing much made Ben Shapiro become someone he never shows to the public. It was enlightening for those of us who do know Shapiro and even normally like watching him debate. This would have been amazing if it was a political interview. Shapiro was thrown off because Andrew treated him like and MP and not an author / journalist in good faith for a book promotion which was unfair to him.

[@jesperburns]

27:30 The people on the panel are less and less interested in having a conversation, or just putting out their opinion (which I never liked, but was still better). Nowadays, they're far more interested in demonising the opposition, and interrupting them when they're about to make a point. They harp on little phrases, or even words, instead of the entirety of argument.

[@spoogemop]

Why don't you get Ben Shapiro on? You want to know why he's so popular (without, you know, doing the work of watching his videos...), you could always try asking him directly. Yes, he talks fast, uses lots of big words, assumes you're all at least as smart as he is and expects you to keep up. The full videos of him and Jordan Peterson on the Dave Rubin show - it's like mainlining dissolved cleverness. And the way they interact - constantly checking, and respectfully isolating their differences - remarkable work. I'd be very interested to see you in conversation.

[@danielwebb8402]

Brilliant. Didn't expect this to make me think so deeply about such a breadth of issues. Thank you.

[@willosee]

Yet, another, outstanding show. Well done. Civil discourse.

[@chriswright6245]

I like your podcast guys. I like the mixture of people you get in. Nice mix of perspectives.

[@malpreece5008]

Great interview chaps! I agreed with almost everything Robin said, and I would love to see more social conservatives in the mainstream.

[@honestjohn6418]

Triggernometry is the best. As for Question Time, I think you have all missed what has happened. It isn’t only because they spend much of the time bickering and that grime artists and comedians are hardy perennials. It’s because apart from the occasional heretic like Farage, Norcott or Douglas Murray, our establishment have succumb to orthodoxy. From the production staff to the majority of panelists and often the audience (depending on the location), they’re all staunchly of the left, feminist, minority activist; diversity, equality and inclusion mindset. Just the word “diversity” uttered will have presenter, and most panelists nodding like nodding dogs and the audience in rapturous applause. And woe betide any evil bastard who dares disagree. The ubiquity of orthodoxy is the problem

[@nobchucknorris]

when Tommy gets out interview him, I'll happily pay to subscribe, I want to see Tommy challenged fairly by non-hysterical non-dirty non-smear merchants.

[@Comodusprimus]

Great channel, guys. Big uptick for this from a new subscriber. Much needed antidote to the unrelenting torrent of ordure forced on us.

[@rossgardner9412]

The Triggernometry podcasts are perfect for running to. Keep it up chaps. Andrew Neil would be a great discussion at some point in the future, probably need to wait for him to retire though!

[@IanParker]

Loved it guys... keep on, keeping on!

[@colleennobbs7218]

Very good guest. Thank you for introducing him to to me. Good dialogue. Thank you.

[@whyzen2081]

I do love your channel. You come across as two decent and well-meaning comedians that set out to cross the divide of politics and just give everyone a fair shout. And for that, you've been dragged through the mud, demonetised, unlisted, blacklisted and deplatformed. And you are still the same two decent blokes, but you both appear so much more wise to the polarisation of our politics in the past year. You really are our litmus test, with supposedly neutral and fair journalists and platforms calling you "alt-right" and other such nonsense.What a time to be alive.

[@robg71]

Really enjoy these podcasts. Watching people who sometimes disagree having a civilised, sensible conversation. My misses just looked over my shoulder and asked what i was watching? she thought you two were the guys from the Inbetweeners :)

[@skadiwarrior2053]

Brilliant interview, thanks.

[@mikereger1186]

I saw the Shapiro interview. What struck me was a feeling that he had been blindsided. What had he been led to believe he was getting into, or to talk about? Did he have any idea what he was getting into, or the style of his interviewer? His whole stance seemed one of surprise and unplanned reaction. He wasn’t dealing with some dense Democrat like usual but instead had been dropped into a cage with a Rottweiler.

[@Hellyers]

I couldn't help noticing the difference in Francis' tattoo in the advert... and behold - colour! 23:24

[@Dadecorban]

You guys are doing a fantastic job.

[@jtothecc2421]

Should get more views. Good stuff lads. Keep it up.

[@SaffinRed]

This interview felt a little to accommodating. I would of liked the concept of socially conservative to be investigated further. What is his views on homosexuality, other religions and social freedoms. It felt that because there was agreement on SJWs, diversity and freedom of speech, there was no need to touch on subjects that there might of been disagreement on.

[@NotQuiteFirst]

How about just not having an entire month of pro-LGBT propaganda shoved down our throats from every conceivable direction. I never thought I'd say it, but I'm with the Muslims on this. It took the gay mafia to turn me socially conservative.

[@GreenD]

Same problem here in Holland, the NPO is also so Biast ... I can hardly watch it anymore

[@redskyatnight123]

I actually truly fear for the future if the current education system of librels and not much else is the best we have to offer

[@henrygruijters3969]

Love your show, just do not Joke about hardworking teachers

[@simonestreeter1518]

"Can we go lower than this?" Yes.

[@jackrichardson8672]

It's worth noting re the Ben Shapiro interview that Shapiro himself knew he was very much in the wrong.

[@williedavies9267]

I am not sure that the light shining on our political classes is harsh light, it has certainly been an educating light, a light that has brought into clear, sharp focus the fact that the UK is not a democracy. Before we go any further with decisions that irreversibly change the social landscape of the UK further we need to be very clear about how our future politicians are elected. PR and an elected second house are, IOM, a minimum requirement for people to begin to hold them accountable.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

Well said.

[@MrBannystar]

Please get Rod Liddle on, he's become one of my favourite speakers in recent years.

[@jeremyyoung1386]

The Question Time solution is to have four random members of the public answering questions from an audience of MPs and Journalists.

[@seanmoran6510]

Ref Andrew Neil watch him go for and twist Peter Hitchens words while discussing Syria It backs Robins comments about Andrew

[@ChimpingBulldog]

I missed that one. I'll have to watch that.

[@OkaniJMCA]

This man should be prime minister.

[@marcocastellano2851]

I am a Mexican and I have actually researched Tommy Robinson's past. Why isn't this show doing the same and taking him more seriously? You are wearing on me with your obvious bias.

[@VoodooMadMike41]

Why does it say premiere 6PM UK time and yet it hasn't started yet? Or did KZbin start silently protecting the BBC? xD

[@triggerpod]

Apologies for the delay we’re having some technical issues which we’re doing our best to sort out.

[@ultrademigod]

@@triggerpod I would have been furious, if I hadn't been watching the CWC final, like all true Englishmen should've.

[@TheCardiffgirl]

Just bought his book after seeing this...looking forward to it. Family and friends are turning over, turning off, or cancelling their television licence. I doubt if the BBC will get the message though. After years and millions of complaints, they just carry on....after all, they know best.

[@philipmoss4027]

Great guest. Really enjoying your channel!

[@mutantdog.]

The socially liberal perspective - as he describes it - is an inherently centrist position, one which allows for people to live their lives as they wish. In contrast the socially conservative position he advocates for is a form of right wing authoritarianism in that is one that insists upon adherance to a set of perceived social norms in accordance with conservative values (and just to be clear, no i'm not equating it with fascism!). There are certainly many legitimate arguments to be made for bias within the BBC on both sides, I would actually suggest that many of these can be attributed to their business model. As what is essentially a tax-funded public service, they have always tended to err on the side of causing the least offence possible and pandering to the more sensitive portions of their audience, whether they be left or right leaning.

[@crawford2871]

Said something mean about FF on here recently but he was a lot better today, great interview.

[@MrDavidc]

A brilliant YT video and I just wish this was on a TV Channel-maybe not the BBC, because only 25,000 views on YT not enough to reach the general population. Without having had 25 years working for the BBC, most of us have seen through their Left Wing agenda, because we haven't swallowed it, so it's good to hear an intelligent person who was 'in their midst' , confirming what we have eventually realised ourselves. But still they persist!

[@censorshipbites7545]

Great podcast, as usual. A few thoughts: 1) Francis has a point about the BBC getting criticized, but it's not from both sides, it's from the right and the far left. Why? Because you're more likely die in a car crash (1/5000) than find a self-identifying conservative in a BBC newsroom (4/21,000). Same thing in the US, where 90+% of journos donate to, identify as, and register as Democrats [1,2,3]. 2) The New Statesman's blatant maligning of Roger Scruton is a clear example of how conservatives, and especially social conservatives, are treated by mainstream media. 3) Shapiro crashed and burned, but let's recall that the whole point of the interview was to promote his new book arguing the need for Judeo-Christian values plus Greek reason. 4) A gotcha interview can be fun to watch, but is the point of an interview to show what person X thinks or to challenge what person X thinks? The former is an interview, the latter is a debate. [1] ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journalist_donations_go_to_Democrats [2] www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048 [3] www.spectator.com.au/2019/02/journalist-commits-career-suicide-tells-truth-on-bias/

[@jprw]

Worth watching just for Robin's voice

[@hazchemel]

sir, observations about the upper echelons of many different fields being social liberals is really interesting and perceptive.

[@hazchemel]

great point about religion. i think we all have at least an element of religiosity; just that it gets directed or focused on various things, from God, to Satan, to material things, and to neuroticism

[@hongyi99]

Thank you guys. That really made me think and question my own presuppositions. Your interviews are great from all political angles.

1:02:57 "We need something higher than us to keep us in check" You're talking about ethnic identity...? Nationhood..? Two of the biggest taboos in Western society today.

[@skepticlawyer]

Bloody good point about actors.

[@Jonnie-Falafel]

We replaced God with shopping and holidays.

[@mostevil1082]

If only we would... it's Sunday, I've got the munchies and the bloody coop is closed.

[@martingrundy5475]

Do you mean the belief in a god? You cannot replace something that was never there in the first place. There is nothing to replace. It is a bogus argument. An argument about belief is an entirely different matter. Though I always find it at least somewhat disingenuous. As the individual is invariably arguing for belief in thier own version or flavour of deity belief. They are not, as they often portray appealing to any belief in a god. Though I must admit my first and over riding concern is, is the claim TRUE. Does in comport with reality. Why is this not the number one priority with everyone? How does a reasonable, sober, self respecting adult possibly admit to themself that they would cling to a fantasy for the sake of feeling comforted? Yet I have heard it said. Quite how one CAN be comforted by a delusion I don't know. Until it can be reasonably shown why one should accept belief in an evidence free, vague, nebulous, deistic entity, described in some supposedly sacred old, often Anon writings, it is surely illogical or not rational to accept the claim. In fact, as we largely do with every other proposition BUT the god question. Then apparently accepting things because they feel comforting or taking a proposition on faith becomes perfectly acceptable. Well, I'm afraid that doesn't wash with me. Believers have nothing but fallacious arguments, weak emotional appeals, empty threats, and special pleading. The majority who are not totally delusional will actually admit there is NO evidence. Given they have had a couple of Millennia, their arguments still leave much to be desired.

[@casperme6552]

@@martingrundy5475 Your first line is where you went wrong. Bearing in mind that we can't interact with, argue with, destroy, alter or otherwise have any bearing on a literal God, belief in God IS God, our perception of and belief in God is literally the only thing that matters, and our only connection with him...

[@andrewdevine3920]

Well at least shopping and holidays are real...

[@GGTutor1]

@@martingrundy5475 That God you don't believe in, that's not the one I believe in either.

[@GGTutor1]

I agree with Robin that we need something transcendent to anchor us as a society. The two sources of a transcendent identity, tradition and religion, are criticised and mocked and so we are left with our ethnicity/gender or saving the planet. Current fashions for environmentalism and intersectional feminism can be seen as religious in nature, but fail to offer anything transcendent which humans need. They allow you to signal social virtue and belonging, but only within the human anthill. They are the religions of materialists. The problem is that you cannot choose to believe in God, you either do or you don't. Where do we find this common transcendent idea in the modern age? Fucked if I know.

[@ChimpingBulldog]

Rare insight in the comments section. Thank you.

[@istvantoth7431]

Shapiro may haven't known the interviewer but he most certainly knew what the BBC's approach will be. After following him for at least two years now I felt (yeah, it sounds like a bloody snowflake Lefty) that Shapiro simply had drawn a line beforehand which beyond he refused to go to, to be "cooperative" or to engage for lack of a better term, as an Interviewee ... As Aitken pointed out, he noticed instantly that even how the questions were phrased did not suggest genuine intentions from BBC (because why that F they would try, right?) toward an honest dialogue so Shapiro thought "F this... So why should I bother then???" Francis is just being a candy-ass here (again, I less and less like this dude -kidding ;)- ) and I disagree. Shapiro wasn't scared at all ... He was pissed off. Rightfully so in my opinion. That old """conservative""" fart had absolutely no clue why Shapiro won so many people's sympathy in the States probably because the editors handed him over the ""key points to focus on"" beforehand... Aitken was spot on. In the UK, present day there is no Conservative voice on your main channels.

[@jesperburns]

I think Shapiro was having a bad day, I mean, he was already annoyed before anything of note was said.

[@347lbs]

Great interview this week, thank you. Do you ever take requests?

[@triggerpod]

Like what?

[@347lbs]

@@triggerpod More like who... For example Alistair Williams or Peter Lloyd would be interesting, or Ian hislop as I can't fathom where he sits on the graph. I don't know how you secure subjects so I am probably talking shite, but these are a few I think would suit your particular long-form chat. Thanks.

[@triggerpod]

​@@347lbs Thanks, they're all on our radar. We have asked Peter on the show numerous times.

[@triggerpod]

@waba gc Watch this space :)

[@willosee]

In Australia we have Q&A on the ABC. Which unlike Question Time was never a venerable program. But like QT it is unwatchable.

[@redskyatnight123]

The cannot hide the unbridled biast towards anyone who doesn't think the way they do aspecialy on newsnight with Emily maitlis

[@TheBlackJester]

Francis taught Math in Bromwell High.

[@wordimobi5765]

Guys, I just linked this to my Minds channel 'Offhedge'. Then I noticed it's still the preview. Had to delete and use this YT link instead. Unwise, nobody wants to link to YT these days. Play your part and upload to Alt tech first.

[@paulmolyneux9503]

When he says competitive advantage by Adam Smith, I think he means comparative advantage by David Ricardo. I think he got mixed up.

[@sinaloa367]

Indeed. Comparative advantage is largely about raw materials and geography and exists between nations, competitive advantages are between businesses.

[@jeremyhowell8235]

Yeah -- a little embarrassing for a former Economics Correspondent

[@thadtuiol1717]

So Mary Whitehouse actually had a valid point back in the day?

[@kayedal-haddad]

At what time does Robbie Aitken discuss Social Liberalism?

[@littletree1343]

Shock treatment - Thatcher caused absolute misery in the north of England and some areas never recovered and are still suffering. Hated her

[@duncefunce1513]

All the tenets of social liberalism he mentioned sound pretty good to me. Try as I might, I could not see myself as a social conservative.

[@ultrademigod]

You're not wrong, I've always found fiscal conservatives much easier to understand and get along with. Social conservatives on the other hand are by their very nature overwhelmingly, moralistic, backward thinking and judgemental. In other words they are the rights version of SJWs.

[@duncefunce1513]

@@ultrademigod well, they do want to tell people what to do a lot. Or am I misunderstanding them?

[@StrategicWealthLLC]

- I think social conservatism can go too far, but I also think there is an undercurrent of truth to the idea. Think about a nation's culture, for instance. America, England, France, Germany, etc. What does it mean to have a culture in any one of those countries? Almost everyone in those countries has a generally positive view of immigrants. But what do we think about the culture an immigrant brings to his/her new country? Should the immigrant be expected to assimilate and adopt the culture of the new country? Should the new country allow the immigrant to maintain his old culture, thus changing the host country's culture to one of multi-cultural? Are multi-cultural societies stable over time, or is it reasonable to fear multiple cultures in a country will cause the balkanization of countries? The above are some interesting things that social conservatives discuss... and they are very thoughtful points. One can reasonably criticize religion and some elements of religious texts... is another view of liberal idiology. However, if that criticism results in a decline in religion, then it also results in people not collectively meeting every week to discuss how they should be better human beings.. and to collectively hold themselves accountable to that goal. Social conservatives are concerned about this. Reducing social conservatism has upsides, but it also has downsides.

[@billymyles2587]

Enjoy this channel but just subscribed to Mark Collett, can’t believe I haven’t come across him before

[@spector969]

Just wanna say, Francis got *DESTROYED!!!*

[@sephus99]

38:07 I thought Francis was going to declare bankers are God's chosen people for a moment and right after saying stereotypes exist for a reason

[@liammccann8763]

Bold end to this piece and very courageous of Mr Aitken. The west is being slowly crushed. One striking statistic that ought not be ignored, is that 'in real terms' more people in the west are taking their own lives than did in Auschwitz. I grew up in the north of Ireland during the Troubles. More people have committed suicide since peace, in 1998, than during the entire Troubles. Facts are facts; the west is lost. Ne Timeas.

[@glennmathieson4188]

The criticism of Andrew Neil's interview with Ben Shapiro is not entirely well founded. It is an entirely justified method to pose a question in polemical terms in order to test the interviewee; but that does not presupposes the interviewer actually shares the presupposotion of the question.

[@ariellawaltman6693]

When do you upload it to podcast?

[@triggerpod]

Monday morning!

[@briz1965]

it was all going so well till the hour mark

[@spry100]

Wonderful episode. Love what you guys are doing. First time I've felt moved to comment. Why? Because of Robin's comments about God and the importance of humility and belief in something greater than us. Tremendous stuff. Only a rediscovery of awe in the face of the majestic Mystery Of It All can save us from the egoic, tragic, moronic arrogance that characterises the culture wars. Let's seek harmony and unity in the face of the divine mysterious, instead of tearing each other apart with moralising wokeness. Also, feminism sucks. Love to all!

[@WilfChadwick]

1:00:10 lol, Islam will conquer all with people like him.

[@JosephStealin]

This channel has sold out, with the ads, I’m not listening to them anymore. I’m going to get all my news from The Week from now on as they have the best articles and interviews fact. Great news source, beautiful news source, great guys really great guys, yuge following.

[@LolLol-ch7sl]

You can't have secularism along with nuclear family, strong communities etc. I used to wine about how depressing society is with crap like naked attraction, people being arrested for no reason and so on. But listening to Peter Hitchens, it makes me just laugh.

[@fraukatze3856]

Just bought the book.

[@llewev]

The "lefty" BBC gave the same treatment to Thatcher and Reagan in the 1980's.

[@joshjones9878]

guys i like your channel but the lame jokes just as he's making his key point is distracting to him and your viewers

[@SociallyTriggered]

I would have liked to hear his opinions about the anti-white agenda at the BBC. He really didn't get into this issue much.

[@oldschoolcockneylover8138]

sorry i respect this.guy coming.forward as a conservative at the.beeb and andrew neil is the only redeeming interviewer at the BBC but shapiro humiliated neil on abortion prejudice.etc

[@TheBlackJester]

I think it's largely to create window dressing so in this based "Woke" World and that dressing just gets scraps in actuality. Everyone gets gamed and hurt.

[@Sukerkin]

Another splendid one, gents :thumbs up:.

[@paultaylor9477]

Absolutely riveting, and this is from a dyed-in-the-wool Corbyn supporter.

[@jesperburns]

I've never encountered a "dyed-in-the-wool" Corbyn supporter. What attracts you about his policies?

[@paultaylor9477]

@@jesperburns The general reassessment about who gets to be the custodian of vital services. Kids not being in debt for wanting to get educated. Housing being treated as a right instead of a commodity. Those sorts of things.

[@jesperburns]

@@paultaylor9477 Interesting, I'm not British but most I hear is negativity about Corbyn. If you'll indulge me; can you name an example for the "reassessment about who gets to be the custodian of vital services". Also, how would that work? Housing being treated as a right? I'm 30 years old and currently in the market for a house. I agree that they're mightely expensive compared to the past, and that it'll be a bigger problem going forward. But I've never heard someone explain how a right to a house would work in practice?

[@paultaylor9477]

@@jesperburns I hate to break it to you, but nationalisation and council housing, both abandoned in the 1980s, solved both the issues you cannot conjure a solution to. But FWIW, here's my take. I don't think of tax as money paid to the exchequer. I think of it as money I can't get out of paying, because modern life would cease to exist for me if I did. Anything like that is a candidate for nationalisation. I'd also say we need to nationalise things that won't necessarily make us any money, but yield vital strategic resources. We trusted the private sector with some of these things and it failed, leading to inflation busting train fare rises and local monopolies in both rail and water. Neoliberalism is only 40 years old in this country. Long term it has failed. Our children cannot get homes or educated to degree standard without incurring massive debt. Corbyn represents an abandonment of the neoliberal position, but not an abandonment of capitalism altogether. Personally, I think it a balance worth striving for.

[@jesperburns]

@@paultaylor9477 "nationalisation and council housing, both abandoned in the 1980s, solved both the issues you cannot conjure a solution to" Hmm, might that be because I wasn't even born yet back then? Or that it's not remotely connected to my area of expertise? I will have to google that second term as well, because I'm not a Brit. But thanks for the replies; food for thought.

[@gillespaling7039]

Get Pete North on!

[@roberthollands7863]

Jordan Peterson's latest video with Bishop Barron covers many of these topics.Well worth a look!

[@jesperburns]

55:19 Yeah, except there are.

[@TessaTickle]

I say this as an atheist: the *concept* of God exists and is useful. At the risk of turning some people off, I'll quote Jordan Peterson: "I don't believe in God but I behaves *as if* he exists". That "as if" thing is in fact precisely the important thing. Applied to crime and punishment, it's clear that some people are more prone to be criminals than others. People are not good or evil, they just are. The key thing is that we have to behave *as if* good and evil exist otherwise we can't make people responsible for their actions. About Tate Modern, yes there is a lot of shit there but there is *also* great art there.

[@jesperburns]

Yeah, that's a nice quote but of course, two years after that he readily admitted to having conversed with his god in a dream. So not only does he believe in his god, he talks with him...

[@TessaTickle]

@@jesperburns why wouldn't you converse with that highest concept? Don't we all have internal dialogues? Who is that dialogue happening with? Could it be our better selves? I'm just exploring here. Again, I'm an atheist and I find none of what is being said about JBP to be inconsistent. Or maybe *think* they are seeing inconsistency. There are lots of statements by JBP about God and none of them talk about worshipping God as defined by the organised religions. Heck, when people are talking about objective morality, aren't they talking about a superior ideal towards which we must strive. JBP dubs that highest ideal "God". I do concede that I'd rather he let go of the word God because all it does is cause endless discussions like this. His definition of God is so far removed from its definition over milennia that he's in fact talking about something else. He'd do the world a favour by coming up with a new word. Dawkins invented "meme" and it's had an amazing effect. Peterson needs to jetison the word God and come up with something else. I propose Zod. :-D

[@jesperburns]

@@TessaTickle I'm all for some metaphysical discussion, but I was merely saying that JBP was purposefully and deceitfully obtuse and evasive about his belief in god in the past. So that quote is rather dubious, coming from him. I propose Odin, because of the lack of Ice Giants and the cool eye-patch.

[@TessaTickle]

@@jesperburns "purposefully and deceitfully obtuse and evasive ", yeah ... no. Sorry, not a great debating technique but it takes some kind of deliberate suspicion of the man to interpret his statements as "purposefully and deceitfully obtuse and evasive". That just totally subjective. Some *proof* would be required for me to agree with you on that. Odin won't do because he's already a God and we need a new word. Qljjhhw works for me.

[@Paul.Morgan]

I went to Tate Modern recently and I couldn't find any great art.