Robodebt Royal Commission - Week 6 (Key Evidence)

[@nigelchristopherbrow]

The work of editing these hearings down to thorough but digestable summaries is a hugely important public service. Thank you.

[@hjf3022]

This isn't the kind of material that tends to catch the KZbin algorithm, and in that regard it is thankless work. But I want to say thank you for your work in condensing these down to something digestible. I've watched each and every one of these in their entirety.

[@KnightsInShiningLlama]

Thanks! A few more still to come.

[@BigDrewski89]

As a public servant myself, I take offence to these people being referred to as public servants. They are bureaucrats, their function is not to further public good but to serve their political or corporate masters. We need to differentiate between the two as I am sick of us true public servants being lumped in with these parasites.

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

They are only one rung up the ladder from a PWC partner.

[@Swake_au]

Like most Liberal politicians, they consider politics a lucrative career path, nothing more.

[@billw2126]

They knew what consequences would follow if they did not do what was expected (by Kathryn, Malissa, etc). One day you may find yourself in a similar position, where you have to choose between your career and your conscience. I do regret that very few of the senior witnesses are taking this opportunity to redeem themselves, maybe there are still some worries about retribution.

[@gypsysee3283]

@@billw2126what a crock! Absolute.! That should be an easy choice. Plenty of other jobs. These people are unconscionable & morally deprived don’t sugar coat it mate, never an excuse. Greed & dirty souls

[@listohan]

@@billw2126 But one (clear) course of action is right and required by the Code. What is the purpose of the Code of Practice? Is its existence just to lull the populace and all is well in the ship of state? Were do Frank and especially Fearless kick in?

[@ginsengaddict]

Thank you, KSL, for these continued efforts to condense hours upon hours of hearings to digestible lengths that successfully illustrate the severity of the Robodebt incompetence and importance of the hearings. You are a bloody legend. Hear that, youtube algorithm?! Get more eyes on this!

[@swampberries]

Rachelle's description of their media playbook is astounding. The frankness in her saying that less people coming forward to the media was the desired outcome from the doxxing and she was happy with the results is disgusting.

[@czarkusa2018]

It's so weird that the "left-wing media" are just so incessantly correct.

[@LZYEYEST0081]

Never get your mistress off side if you want them to keep quiet!

[@andrew_mcintosh]

She's unforgivable. But the beans she spilled are the proof, if if was ever needed, that the government will come after you if you make them look bad enough. Especially if you're someone like a lowly Centrelink recipient that they can get personal information on.

[@gedsoft3793]

Her smirking and bragging about how clever she was is nauseating. Can we tax payers have our money back please?

[@billw2126]

not sure that she deserves to be seen so negatively. She volunteered to give evidence and in my opinion she appears to be very honest and has not tried to preserve a positive view of her actions; possible that she feels a bit guilty. I wish other witnesses were like this, would really help to sort out how this debacle evolved.

[@LZYEYEST0081]

It's concerning how many people in the public service are so forgetful

[@snipey47a]

Selectively forgetful

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

The political repercussions outweigh looking like a fool....to these career crawlers.... They "take one for the team"...on the understanding that in the future they will be rewarded for their misplaced "loyalty" to their corrupt "puppeteers".

[@joek292]

Happens to private sector as well, everyone tries to cover their ass

[@LZYEYEST0081]

@@joek292 For sure. No one likes being accountable for anything. But these people are meant to be working for the public and be held to a high regard.

[@bobalot2]

They remember.

[@michaell2120]

The testimony certainly drives home the well known expression 'The Nasty Party' when referring to the Coalition. Thank you for these videos KiSL!

[@KeithStewart-zn8mg]

Great summary. I watched it live. I hope the public has not moved on from this and that the report will not be subsumed in the more current political issues eg the Voice, cost of living etc.

[@listohan]

I watched it too. Will the findings subsume PwC? Very little attention has been given to Malcolm Turnbull's position as PM while it was all happening given it was fatally flawed arithmetically, It did not need to be considered at a legal level to know it was wrong.

[@crow7505]

What is the issue with the voice?

[@KeithStewart-zn8mg]

@@crow7505 Nothing. It is just an example of one of the matters that may be taking media bandwidth at the time of the report.

[@robbrewer2036]

Never see this on sky etc.

[@gypsysee3283]

@@crow7505it nothing more than a Land Grab. It’s how they will move people into the smart cities & off rural land/farming so Mr Gates & Co can then make us eat their insects & fake meat. But don’t worry, you’ll own nothing & be happy as per WEF. We’ll all be in a wonderful digital prison called a 15 minute city! Central Bank Digital Currency will take care of your personal wealth meaning it will be stolen from you but you’ll receive a Universal Basic income of course that will depend if your compliant under the social credit system by the thought police. So research the voice & see the fakes pushing it while the real elders have not been involved & are not a part of the circus. But we must trust our GOV right? As this shows they only have our best interests at heart. No - thing to see here

[@attilajuhasz2526]

1:17:37 ... a very fitting example of the culture of the relationship between government and 'big four' firms (such as PwC in this case). Government outsources its rational thinking to 'consulting' firms with the mindset of a foregone conclusion. And the 'consulting' firm collects the taxpayer funds for 'work' it does. The 'work' itself (in this case) is not actually necessary except that government ministers can obfuscate any future responsibility if something goes 'wrong'. How fitting that this example of obfuscation is aired given the PwC scandal in the media at present.

[@Rhubarb2]

100%

[@justinnewman5533]

absolutely unbelievable. monsters, snakes, un-australian deflecting morally disconnected and soulless. i was so angry all the way through. thanks for your work mate, i hope this brings this parties culture to light for a lot more people.

[@civilizedsavage360]

Tudge says of the Current Affairs piece " It wasnt my practice to correct the record. (whispers under breath) Unless it was the release of personal details to scare victims off going public".😡😡😡

[@betula2137]

Once again 👏👏💢💢 This is top work for communication of transparency

[@schrenk-d]

Wow the PWC part reminds me of consulting reports I have had to deliver on subjects like cyber security. Thing is. I got people to SIGN for requests. Including when someone refused a report. Countless times I had been asked to remove sections or to not be too critical in reports. To which I'd still get people to sign on those changes.

[@jimm5304]

I've watched every Robodebt vid....I still have problems coming to terms with what that disgrace of a government put people through so much anguish. I look & listed to some of the "witnesses" amoral...devoid if any empathy for the vulnerable...I then think...is that the sort character that stood guard (you know when) in the 40's & the Russian gulags....I was only following orders....I didn't know what the effect of what I was doing....they all seem to have oldtimers memory issues. And on a side note....I wish they would %$@@/= stop calling we citizens "customers".... they ain't serving people in a supermarket....it's so dehumanising.

[@xchazz86]

Send them all to prison minimum 15 years, alot of people died from this atrocity. These scumbags should have titles of Dishonorable and Dishonest for engaging in government fraud for personal gain, directly causing serious harm at a societal scale.

[@NathanCroucher]

yep

[@ihateexcessivelylongandpoi4490]

Let's be honest though: nothing will happen.

[@ryan266846]

Isn't "not legally sufficient" synonymous with "UNLAWFUL." These people knowingly enacted illegal schemes and are now arguing over semantics as to whether their understanding of a reports wording justifies their actions. it's ridiculous.

[@hollandp9606]

Early onset dementia seems to be of epidemic proportions at these departments. To fix the problem there need to regular moral appraisals of upper echelon staff.

[@j0esoap]

I've watched all of these so far and it just shows how badly people be when not held to account.

[@Roarpian]

Thank you KsL for your service

[@anguspugh4543]

You're providing an amazing service here Mr. Llama, I really appreciate the work you put into getting this information out.

[@sadmancaves]

great work putting these together. This media advisor stuff is truly horrific, i actually don't even want to think how people could actually treat each other this way.

[@arnavp412]

I swear if I hear the phrase "I don't recall" one more time I might just never use my laptop again to not hear it

[@LZYEYEST0081]

I didn't turn my mind to it.

[@attilajuhasz2526]

Thanks, Knights. Amazing work.

[@ssz-zd3mz]

This makes me so angry watching this and it's painful af but so insightful about how evil some people can be if they 'needed their job' or just don't give af about other people. great editing and ty for putting it together.

[@georgekarasavidis1530]

THANK YOU for your public service

[@brittenmusic6923]

Excellent, thank you ever so much for this work.

[@damiendp8804]

"Would you agree that it was a damning report?" "Oh, I wouldn't characterise it like that" "How would you characterise it?" "Room for improvement" Holy crap, that line killed me. 😂 How are these real people?

[@kimsqueezly5737]

you're doing a public service, thank you!

[@cheerytomato6196]

Got to say, I love it when the commissioner herself is getting pissed with the blatant BS coming out of these witnesses. Their attempts to obfuscate is wearing thin with her 😀🙂

[@cozygoats550]

Agree. Particularly with Annette Mussolino who’s has no shame.

[@Orhanu1]

This whole Royal Commission gives me Nuremberg trials vibes. So many people justifying doing horrible things because they were just "following orders"

[@camf7522]

20:41 IMO, Ms Annette Mussolini should be barred from working in the APS or as a consultant to government departments or Ministers. She let Australians down, and it sounds like she was just turning up for the paycheque.

[@RoryT1000]

My $1 a month donation hard at work!

[@sammedion6083]

It's not complicated. It's a rort. They knew it. People recognised it as a rort and questioned it and the people in positions of power ignored the questions. But of course there's nothing to see here, we were just doing our jobs.

[@pixelpotato4874]

What a group of people...colluding in this illegal disgusting debt collection, should be giving Prison Sentences, especially to these former Ministers, putting mental and physical strain on people.Having Journalists in personal relationships with Ministers says it all about the Coalition.

[@listohan]

Hopefully the media will give the findings the attention they deserve. This should remind the electorate of the personality of the previous government and of who is behind the shameful No campaign for the voice.

[@robbrewer2036]

Never see this on sky, too busy destroying the voice and labor,.

[@gypsysee3283]

You do mean Shameful push for the voice don’t you? You do understand the scheme behind it don’t you. It’s called a Land Grab (Agenda 21/30) It’s not the Elders & true representation- it’s wolves in sheep’s clothing coming for all Land to raise taxes & push all into a digital prison called a UN smart city. FACT, it’s the only way they could get away with it. It’s called NWO. Slavery. Of course you would know this by now. Trust us “they said” 14 days to flatten the curve. And look how they all have so much integrity over ROBO!!! Knowing full well. That my dear, is exactly what these people do. If you don’t know, vote NO.

[@hollandp9606]

They won’t as they are hand in hand with the LNP as that woman advisor showed. Why would they rock the boat?

[@Swake_au]

Man, I couldn't get up on the stand and try to justify my complacency or my ignorance. You make mistakes in life, fucking own them.

[@BaLthaZaR2105]

Thanks for all your hard work editing these down!

[@littletodger7008]

My wife - a 79 year old pensioner, had to contend with the same people when they stole 10 months of her pension and blamed her for it. The Centrelink people swam in the same swamp of Scomo evil as the robodebt scum - they were the same people. She had a stroke and a TIA. I am 81, I had a TIA. We both got cancer. I had a stomach bleed that almost killed me - five days in intensive care. We lived in hell for over four years, and we had to prove the unprovable to a Liberal party-appointed commissioner who had never heard a case before and a Centrelink Lawyer who kept demanding he ‘MUST’ find against us. We live in a rental, have been told we are about to be evicted, and have nowhere to go. I’ll meet Scomo and Roberts in hell - of that I’m certain.

[@billw2126]

Thanks llama. I wish MG was still alive to give evidence. Poor Hank Jongen, he was shouted down pretty quickly. Oh, and adverse AAT decisions were not appealed because it would upset DSS beneficiaries!! Anyway, thanks again.

[@listohan]

Poor Hank? Hank is a further example of what has been shown to be the twisted ethics of APS upper reaches: job retention trumps everything. Hank had been in the department since he was in short pants and knew the arithmetic was giving the wrong answers. He had been promoted to the position of media influencer, he had been well paid for years and near retirement where he would still be well paid. Given his public profile, Hank could have threatened to blow the scandal sky-high. Journalists dealt with him and would beat a path to his door. Instead, he went back to the job of the official spin doctor. Shame.

[@billw2126]

@@listohan it is not just 'job retention' it is a matter of hanging onto your livelihood, your home, your ability to provide for your children. Richard, if you had to choose between keeping your livelihood to provide for your family, versus standing up to something at work that was vigorously supported by your senior leaders, what would you do? I was in this situation once and it was a very distressing experience, and i am not ashamed to confess that i chose the coward's path. I suspect Hank made a similar decision.

[@listohan]

@@billw2126 Are you really saying that? Yes, and I have. If fear of job loss is the overriding attitude, say so and throw the rule book away and let anarchy prevail. Ignore BRS's shortcomings. We have rules for a reason. I hope your view isn't the prevailing one in the APS, but it seems to be the case when people are prepared to go into the witness box and make fools of themselves and for others to defend "my job over all other considerations". We expect more of our defence personnel but not Canberra paper shufflers. A major root and branch cleanout is indicated. As for Hank, wasn't he near retirement? If he had acted principally other opportunities would have been available. Who else would employ him now given he cannot plead ignorance? I can't wait for her Honour's findings.

[@billw2126]

@@listohan mate, you missed my point. When it becomes a stark choice between holding onto employment and providing for my family, versus a doomed fight against a ministerial policy, most of us ordinary mortals choose the former. At best we try to find small ways that we can soften the blow on clients but it is terrible to go to work and implement a policy which you feel is antithetical to your departmental policies and your personal goal of treating clients the way you would like to be treated. Look at what is happening with Richard Boyle and his disclosure of aggressive debt collection processes in the ATO. Would you go through what he is facing? Has his immensely brave action changed anything? Have you worked in the APS? If your experience of standing up to an immoral policy is anything like mine then I hope you can at least acknowledge that taking the moral path is fraught with significant threats and a tremendous personal cost on the security and health of the few individuals that take it. Hopefully this Royal Commission will lead to the introduction of organisational changes across the APS which do not put public servants in such difficult positions.

[@listohan]

@@billw2126 So Hank was justified in continuing to present the flawed case to the public night after night? Hank was hardly at the beginning of his career. He could have gone out in a blaze of glory and held his head high. As it is... Members of the defence forces are expected to put more than their jobs and future mental health on the line to get the reward of a medal. There is a yawning gap between what is expected of them and what is delivered by some public servants. Especially the senior ones, the ones receiving the bigger inducements to stay quiet while knowing the most. As to your question of whether I have been a public servant, I could not abide or survive in that sort of company. Has Katherine Campbell shown any hint that she has reflected on her stewardship? What do you say about the ridiculous evidence given by the senior people who gave evidence? The ones with the APS medals and AOs for goodness sake. Are you saying we should trash the Code or should we keep it and ignore it? I hope NACC does a number on the public service as the cosy world that operates at the top is being exposed.

[@joorre77]

Imagine tanking your channel's views and likes to report and work on this. Gods work

[@KnightsInShiningLlama]

Creating long videos the YT algorithm ignores is fast becoming my specialty!

[@michaelhicks8603]

You sir, are doing the lords work

[@richyglitched]

I've repaid 2 debts to centerlink. The first was around $3k in the early 2000's and the second was during this robodebt (2011 - 2014) another $5k.. I still think they are illegal (I was bloody homeless) Is there an avenue I can take for a review? Or is it too late? Thanks

[@czarkusa2018]

If you pay, you admit wrongdoing and you're up Centrelink Creek without a case worker.

[@richyglitched]

@@czarkusa2018 figured as much.. They never really give you an option. They just take your money.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

If there is any justice ALL the centrelink decisions based on averaging etc. WILL be reviewed and corrected. I mean what is the point of this Royal Commission if the people who suffered the most financially and mentally (some to their death) get no justice????

[@continental_drift]

If you have any hope you could start with notmydebt or gordonlegal

[@ryan266846]

@@czarkusa2018 Did you watch the video?

[@johnwilliams2711]

Thank you for condensing these hearings.

[@olivia-performanceartist3693]

What a kakistocracy (government run by the worst, least qualified, or most unscrupulous citizens).

[@rachels8857]

Nice one Hank @1:37:00 relating a conversation with Malisa Golightly (RIP) about how he was questioning Robodebt. She can't give evidence of course. We will have to take your word for it.

[@RM-yk1oi]

Thanks again for your service Mr Llama

[@rachels8857]

Mr Stipnieks is being quite candid compared to the rest. Good on him.

[@rick7081]

That’s a very low bar

[@ronaldwhite5670]

I served 38 years in the gaols. I’d come out of retirement to lock these crooks up!!! Absolutely disgusting, these people couldn’t lay straight in bed!!!

[@Joan-maryJoan-Mary]

Are you doing a final report before official report delivered? Your reports are absolutely brilliant The best analysis on any political topic I have ever enjoyed. Congratulations cheers and thanks Joan-Mary

[@Simon.the.Likeable]

Lucky it was the Royal Commission and not the NACC. If it was the latter, we'd be seeing nothing. We won't see anything about the Brittany Higgins payout inquiry.

[@steveremington]

To summarise Allen Tudge's evidence: "I was just following (Cabinet's) orders".

[@coasterblocks3420]

It blows my mind that the ABC (found to actually have a slight right wing bias by numerous Coalition instigated reviews) and Fairfax could ever be described as “left wing media”.

[@KnightsInShiningLlama]

It's interesting to hear isn't it. I think with Fairfax, this was before they were merged with Nine. Since then, it's been very much downhill.

[@jeffm7294]

Can someone tell me the last time a politician went to jail for their failure as a politician! Not holding any hope of anyone going to jail this time! 😢😢😢

[@currawong2011]

You are doing magnificent work...it is a pity that this work actually needs to be done.

[@brendoncahill6409]

Thanks for the scrutiny of Robodebt and the vision of hell that will come from implementation of AI systems into society..

[@continental_drift]

In which universe does creating fanciful debts make sense?

[@harryw9268]

Thanks for your work

[@bretloyd8097]

Couldn't watch it all in one sitting. . . . It invoked a mixture of disgust and anger. . . .

[@abekane7038]

The monsters don't care about the loss of life they've been directly involved in

[@NathanCroucher]

Great stuff

[@johnmayger2265]

May God curse all these politicians and publi servants for their cruelty and dereliction of duty

[@camf7522]

24:41 “The priority is to shove that down”…outrageous! The priority should have been to investigate and resolve….is it not?

[@CoralWalton-t8w]

Awesome

[@xx2262]

Legend!

[@haissamali]

Thanks again mate

[@Rhubarb2]

Thank you, again

[@camf7522]

43:58 I think I disagree with Alan Tudge on this point. My understanding of the Westminster System is that it is the Minister that holds the Authority not the Cabinet?

[@GaryParris]

well done!

[@kenharris5390]

A bacillus in the bureaucracy.

[@markhorrell9213]

These clowns should be either dismissed or charged with incompetence and be fined heavily. Those dismissed -without entitlements. Christian Porter and Allan tudge and Morrison included

[@rachels8857]

Tudgement Day....😬

[@brendankane1879]

The world-renoun of War and Peace is perfectly matched to the obscurity of Resurrection (a book about accountability written dozens and dozens of years ago). My Act 666 case answers every question here. My name is Brendan Kane.

[@ronaldparker6726]

Millions spent on trying to find the truth. but NO one will get the sack or have to go to jail for incompadence

[@camf7522]

36:32 Alan Tudge knows that ROBODEBT notices were raised without reference to or cross checking with declared income for a period and the evidence provided at the time of the declaration, but were only raised based on the ATO averaged income data….so IMO this statement is very misleading.

[@rileyhosking3599]

I am naming my firstborn child 'KSL'.

[@channelname1019]

Great work as always, thank you.

[@peterblair6489]

When do charges come? Probably never.

[@continental_drift]

How does "correcting the record" justify a person's personal details. If the "record" needed correcting then surely it is the facts of the matter that are important, not some spin to sooth the feelings of an MP.

[@CarlosSanchez-dv1ew]

I wish i could be paid a very high salary for doing absolutley nothing but blaming the ones working below me ...

[@peterwilliamson9600]

I wish i could add more 👍

[@davidsimpson3275]

People on the Dole , should , be Left alone to get there lives , together , Or Pollititions may Create Some Employment ... for them ..... l had this ROBO debt sent to Me !!!! FORCED , JABBS ... No Thanks ...

[@marrta61]

Who is the RWJ Ms Martin??

[@thewayneflyinghigh9128]

Will knights in shinning armour rip into the a.l.p for the rising cost of electricity?

[@user-ff8ww8bq9q]

It was the Lib/Nat Coalition Government that withheld the AEC report regarding electricity prices rising until after the most recent Federal election 😢

[@robmcd]

Mr Stipnicks appears to be quite disrespectful with his responses, sighs, unnecessary comments to the commission.

[@Daniel-cc6oy]

40:55 I learnt in high school English it does not take much to bullshit 1200 words lol

[@wood2259]

My goodness, these videos make me angry. The total lack of morals, ethics, and integrity of these witnesses is astounding. Never mind that they should be unemployed as a result of their behaviour, most will be unemployable as well.

[@jennieazak6724]

alan trudge continues to speak and dig himself into a bigger and bigger hole….he is so unaware…

[@TaureanTrish]

Wish I could earn a million dollars for developing a PowerPoint presentation! Shit! I'm in the wrong profession..

[@wcbbsd]

Let me guess... plausible deniability and acting in good faith?

[@minouchesfourtwo]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@ronaldparker6726]

All very highly paid and g9t to have legal advice from her department

[@neseas]

are you also badempanada? week 6 is a stinger.

[@crazycentaur]

Tudge is a pretty good tap dancer. Terrible bloke

[@robbrewer2036]

Leave it all to God I think,how else do you exsplain such incompetence.

[@jockmclaren47]

Corruption simpliciter.

[@czarkusa2018]

Whoever said "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" seems to have created a perfect cover for people who are malicious and I don't think it turned out that way because they were an idiot.

[@JohnSmith-yv6eq]

@@czarkusa2018 These idiots will be "covered" in future jobs by those they are protecting by their deliberate lies....

[@xchazz86]

No lets not leave it to God, its time to punish the thieves and criminals in this life, they dont get to kick the can down the road to the next life.

[@gypsysee3283]

@@xchazz86100% agree! Unfortunately, that’s a common cop out - leave it to someone else to save the day

[@billmcle]

Although I agree robodebt was one of the worst policies of any government, it is also apparent you are very biased and only present footage of this royal commission and make comments that are far from impartial. I would suggest anyone wanting a fair and impartial look elsewhere.

[@avatar4594]

What are your recommendations for an impartial look? These videos are summaries of the evidence given at the Royal Commission, it seems appropriate that they would focus on that.

[@carn941]

There is nothing stopping you from going to see the original Robodebt Royal Commission Website and seeing the full hearings for yourself. The guy even linked it in the description. Off you go, buzz off.

[@billmcle]

@Carn That is the only way to find out what has transpired in the Royal commission. Watching someone else's selected edits might be entertaining and help support predetermined views but, can't to form an opinion you must have all the testimony.

[@carn941]

@@billmcle Ok? You're making it sound like no one can access the readily available information and that the outcome of watching the full commission is that you'll have some pro-robodebt opinion. I'm curious, what outcome could possibly be different? You think that by watching the entire commission, that your opinion would somehow have changed so drastically that this edited video of the commission is just biased and wrong? You say " predetermined views" as if there is some positive to the system, and that we can't see it unless we watch the full commission.

[@dimsoneill]

How dodgy was the guy from pWc!!!! His Linkedin is getting a visit.

[@craigdavid6519]

a $1mil contract ..meh chuck it in the bin oh ok...next...what a dodgy fella

[@hatecubed]

He didn't think the many millions involved made the contract, "lucrative" 🤢

[@alanoldfield6955]

stipnieks...another criminally negligent person

[@alanoldfield6955]

musolino is either corrupt or incompetent.....theres no other possibility with this person, a firing followed by a trial and jail seems to be the best path for her

[@peege8574]

Again... Invaluable work Mr 🦙 Muchas Gracias