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[@RobTalksHockey]

Do you think this will be good or bad for hockey?

[@bex843]

It'll be great for most players, but it's going to be terrible for the chl. The fact that ncaa players can also get paid too is ridiculous because it's not even amatuer hockey, it's a pro league.

[@darekdeangleo]

Love the shoutout to The Pronghorn lol. This city is something else. Go Hurricanes lol

[@KanadianGOOSE8]

Short answer Good

[@michaelchow5751]

It may not make a ton of difference in the end. You can be great at hockey, but you'd still need to meet university academic requirements, which a decent player in the CHL might either be unable or unwilling to meet if they are already on a decent career trajectory. Junior A and USHL focus heavily on prep for NCAA right from day one whereas major junior goes heavy on NHL hopes and dreams. In addition, Junior A allows a player to stay closer to home with less travel since the leagues are more granular than major junior.

[@iLightSoundGeometry]

ea nhl 25 allows tackling from behind and cross checking you down to the ice from behind .. these are penalties in real life right ?

[@robertn2951]

A free college education and fewer games might be a good idea. Spending four years on a bus and ending up with nothing is a joke.

[@MrGamman3yt]

Yes, this, the trouble also is, it's very physically demanding. Time for a full time degree? Not likely, part time, for sure.

[@KellyMcGrath-t4y]

The option of a paid university education is there for junior players. It’s much easier to do after a junior career is over. I know a former player in the Q who got a finance degree after playing and has had a very successful career since he left the league about 20 years ago

[@bpaps141]

For every year you play a game in the chl you get a year of university or college paid for

[@BigD751]

Yes a college education is great for.... wait let me get back to you on that

[@robertn2951]

@@BigD751 Yes, see how many players at the CHL level end up having multi years contracts in the NHL. What do you do with a high school degree these days? You compete for a job against migrant workers and you vote for Trump.

[@alexf1412]

This also hurts late developing players from the USA. The players that previously didn’t get picked up by a Ushl team at 15 and worked their way from the Nahl to ncaa and pro hockey may never be able to reach their potential because ncaa spots won’t be available for those lower leagues.

[@rahulkasiraman3402]

I think this will allow for worse hockey schools to become stronger. There aren’t too many powerhouse ncaa hockey schools so this could really create more

[@cglasford1]

@@rahulkasiraman3402 hopefully we will see an expansion of NCAA D1 programs over the next 10-15 years.

[@talcat8031]

@@rahulkasiraman3402 yeah I think more schools are primed to add hockey at the d1 level. Also the kids op is posting about probably end up in the chl now where there would be more space.

[@DarbySagala]

This won't be detrimental to the CHL. It will have a lot more impact on Usport, Junior A, and USHL teams. Currently, the main thing attracting higher end talent to both USHL and Junior A in Canada is that you can play there and not lose NCAA eligibility. With that restriction gone, the CHL is going to see some of that higher end talent cross over to the CHL. You'll also see guys choosing to go to NCAA after the CHL instead of Usport. The CHL already offers tuition benefits to players, it will just go to NCAA schools instead of players going to Usport. If anything, USHL teams will have to pivot to the CHL model to try keep up. Folks in USHL circles are hoping for some kind of merger with the CHL or possibly a North American Junior super league, but that is unlikely and very telling of their position. The only thing the CHL has to try to figure out is how to get from 2 year draft retention to 4, and they're already working on that. I also don't think it'll impact the overage players much, those spots are already pretty limited. The only thing that drastically would change that would be if the NCAA would drop the clause of not allowing players who are under NHL contract to play there. Even then, I think it would be minimal.

[@jerryrikki9466]

It will have a much larger impact then you think. Your going to see a lot of top talent from the ages of 16-17, and then everyone who can will leave. Why would you play in the CHL when you can play in a more competitive league and get paid far more for it. Only hope CHL has is to start paying guys like the NCAA is

[@humancentered3447]

You clearly have no understanding of the system in higher level hockey

[@cglasford1]

@@jerryrikki9466 I'm not sure Canadian players are eligible for NIL because they are here on student visas and I'm not sure you can get paid on a student visa. Maybe they will change that to a work visa?

[@cglasford1]

I'm curious as to what the implications will be on USA born players. As it stands, not that many go to the CHL but maybe that will change? Maybe the CHL will expand into the US?

[@amandahugandkiss2126]

Good video first of all, but just an inaccuracy I noticed; Not everybody who plays NCAA D1 hockey is on a full ride. Teams have a scholarship limit of 18 (or in the case of the Ivy Leagues, none). They could receive other kinds of scholarships, but many don't get full rides. If this were to pass, I wonder how many CHL players would go D3 because of the lack of supply (D1 teams) to meet sudden increase in demand (# of players). As crazy as it sounds to someone unfamiliar with NCAA D3, a lot of players have gone pro out of it in the last decade or so (mostly to ECHL, SPHL, or European leagues). It has gotten a lot better in terms of quality too, especially the top programs. The biggest difference between the NCAA and Major Junior paths currently is this; in NCAA hockey, you practice more than you play. In Major Junior, you play more than you practice. The leagues most adversely impacted by this rule change would be, in my opinion, the Canadian Junior A leagues. Many top NCAA-bound Canadian prospects have already been skipping them in favor of the USHL. Lower-caliber Canadian NCAA prospects play in the NAHL. Why? They're significantly cheaper, and overall more heavily scouted nowadays.

[@robertcampbell8070]

@@amandahugandkiss2126 It should be noted that recent rule changes now allow 26 scholarship equivalents, and a roster size of 26, so every NCAA player SHOULD be on a full scholarship now, rather than the half scholarships that were normal before. I would also say though, many, many players that play in junior just want to play hockey. They don't want to balance hockey and college level classes, homework, tutors, labs, etc.

[@amandahugandkiss2126]

@@robertcampbell8070 First of all, as far as I'm aware, the roster and scholarship proposal you mentioned is just a rule recommendation at the D1 level, and would be an opt-in program if implemented. It is not a rule as of now, as far as I know. Second of all, sure, players just want to play hockey. Going to college and graduating offers them more options after their playing career is over though. NCAA hockey offers them a chance of doing so at a reduced cost compared to average tuition (even at the D3 level on occasion), and letting them practice and refine their skills before they try to play professional hockey. It sets them up for a better future if they can't make the professional leagues for long enough to have some savings.

[@gregorybiestek3431]

@@robertcampbell8070 There is one other item to consider as well. In the Great Lakes Region of the USA, one of the better NCAA leagues, the Big Ten, a large number of its schools do NOT have hockey programs. However, there have there have been rumblings for nearly two decades in some states to add these programs, money so far being the limitation. Well-heeled alumni are always competing to show off their wealth and brag about their ownership or support of things. If they can’t own a piece of an NHL club, what better way to be part of the ”in” crowd in your social circle than being the major donor to a hockey program. Think University of Illinois, or Purdue, Penn State or Rutgers, none of which have hockey programs today. Add in new Big Ten members Washington and Oregon. Another example - the Illich family was in discussions just before Mike’s death to fully fund a new hockey program at 50,000 student Wayne State University in the heart of Detroit. With lots of new players don’t you think the Illich’s would revisit those discussions?

[@Turnstables]

@@robertcampbell8070that’s why they all get business or broadcasting degrees ha

[@robertcampbell8070]

@@Turnstables Not really how it works at places like Michigan or Boston College though. You are actually doing the work there.

[@CanadianFloridaMan]

This is actually good for the CHL. Now it's not an either or - USA players might consider the CHL vs USHL, with the NCAA in their back pocket if the top junior leagues (OHL, QMJHL, WHL) don't work out for them

[@jerryrikki9466]

It's the players who the CHL does work out for that will leave. Anyone good enough at the age of 17 and over will go to the NCAA. many top 16 year olds are gone if they have a good rookie season to play in the more competitive league where they get paid more (NCAA). It's going to have a massive impact. More young players from USA but the quality will go way down as all top 17,18,19 and 20 players are leaving. That's a massive impact

[@afuzzycreature8387]

@@jerryrikki9466 Hint: Very few are going to be that good at that age to go the NCAA route, so the real question would then be money versus development and who can do it better.

[@cglasford1]

@@jerryrikki9466 maybe we will see the age of the NCAA drop? maybe? right now the average age as a freshmen is 19.5. Most NCAA players finish High School and then go do 1-2 years in Juniors, or leave after their Junior year in HS to play juniors. At least that is how it works here in MN

[@Ambassador_in_Chains]

What about the fact that if you graduate from NCAA you become a free agent in the NHL? Jimmy Vesey for example or Adam Fox holding Calgary hostage after drafting them.

[@RobTalksHockey]

Definitely. This rule change could lead to more situations like that

[@prozac.]

More canadian kids choosing where they want to play doesn’t sound bad

[@Iambetterthanyouanduknowit]

@@prozac.Canadian teams would be so dominant

[@Ambassador_in_Chains]

@@prozac. true, but if I’m a Canadian player, do I sign with my hometown team or sign in a state that has no state income tax and make that 8 year, $68 million or 4 year, $32 million a better deal after taxes. And with the CRA going after signing bonuses now, that one iota of hope that Canadian teams had to offer, is out.

[@stoozii74]

I'm sure the NHL and NHLPA would step in to make adjustments so that does not become a common issue

[@superadam2112]

I’d say it would affect USports/Junior A/USHL/etc. more than it would affect the CHL. In terms of talent that would normally “age out” of juniors and go straight to Canadian Universities, a lot could just head to NCAA D1. As a college baseball coach in the states, we’ve seen a similar shift in terms of talent that would normally get drafted to MLB are now going D1 because they shortened the draft from 60 rounds to 20, and cut down MiLB by 1/3. Essentially, D1 Baseball has become a de facto minor league of sorts, whereas Division 1 level talent are playing Division 2, Division 3, NAIA, and community college baseball until they can hit the transfer portal. In terms of university hockey, I see a similar shift in that the talent that “ages” out of junior hockey get 4 more years at D1, but then you’d also have high-level players at Junior A/USHL going D3 to play, which mostly affect the lower junior hockey levels. Basically, your late bloomers are the ones who get affected the most by this.

[@robertcampbell8070]

It's not going to do anythinh to the CHL except take away a few overagers, and there's only 3 per team allowed now anyways. Most NCAA teams except for the very top programs aren't taking 18 year olds. They're deferring guys until they're 19 or 20. What's going to happen is the tip top guys are going to come in to the CHL at 16 like they always have and stay for at least two years. The mid level guys will stay until they're 19, like they always have.

[@RobTalksHockey]

For many if not most teams, the overages are their top players.

[@tylerjeffrey9139]

I think the biggest changed will be to the USHL/Junior A in Canada. A lot of top USHL players may choose to go toi the CHL knowing if they don't end up being a McDavid/Crosby/Bedard they will still have the option of D1 NCAA vs Usports/Lower pro leagues. I think young prospects like the more "professional" scheduling and feeling the CHL gives as well which draws people. I think youll still get the top guys (bedards, mcdavids, etc) drafted out of the CHL. Guys who seem to just miss the cut (examples in CHL currently would be like a Markus Vidicek) will now have the opportunity to go D1 and continue a very high levle of development, vs having to go USports or hope to make a lower level Pro-league

[@robertcampbell8070]

@@RobTalksHockey OK,so now your top 19 year olds are your best players. you remove literally 3 players per team, MAYBE, and create room for more younger players to get an opportunity. Plus guys that age out or want to get an education at a top academic school after finishing major junior now have that opportunity, because the CHL scholarship program is a joke. Let me also say this, the NHL isn't going to let a free developmental league die. If the CHL went away, the NHL would be screwed. There aren't enough NCAA teams, and not enough money, to support all these players. The CHL will become an NHL farm system before it ever goes away.

[@robertcampbell8070]

@@tylerjeffrey9139 Exactly my feeling.

[@robertcampbell8070]

@@RobTalksHockey So you lose like 3 players, MAYBE, off of teams? And that's only if NCAA teams that are historically built on deferring players want to bring in 20 year olds instead of 21 year olds? And that still gives opportunity to other young players? The CHL will be fine.

[@amhockeyclub9405]

I see why some CHL teams are getting antsy about this, but honestly I think this is better for the players, as some players could continue their hockey career and further their education in the NCAA playing high level hockey after they age out of jrs. It will also help develop a lot of players that need more time, instead of having them sit in the minors without the option to go to a good university.

[@RRaquello]

I'm wondering if this will actually hurt US hockey more than Canadian. Back in the 60's you had NCAA programs like Cornell, Denver & Michigan who wouldn't even consider American players because they'd just import players wholesale from Canada. And those were the top hockey programs in the NCAA at that time. This set back the development of hockey in the US for 20 years. In the 1930's & 40's, there were a number of American players in the NHL. The Canadians still dominated, but at least there were a few from the US, and they were regulars, some were stars, like Frankie Brimsek & Mike Karakas. But from the 50's to the early 70s, American players disappeared almost completely. For a period of 25 years only one American player (Tommy Williams) had any kind of considerable NHL career.US players didn't have the option of playing in Canadian Juniors and the top NCAA teams were shut off to them, so their development ended at high school. Now you wonder if American players coming out of high school are going to get shut out again by Canadian players, having finished 4 years of juniors, now at the age of 20, 21, older, bigger, stronger, more experienced, becoming available to NCAA teams. An interesting development would be if the younger US players, now shut out of the NCAA, start going instead to Canadian Juniors and the NCAA becoming a Canadian league and Canadian Juniors becoming the go-to place for 17 year old Americans. Could happen.

[@cglasford1]

honestly that is what I'm most curious about. How will this impact USA hockey? Will more US born kids try and go to the CHL or will the USHL change? will they merge? will NCAA D1 expand? Sounds like a big win for Canadian kids but a potential big loss for USA born players

[@AlyxiSistahTweaky25]

Oh darn, the players get a choice to do what is best for them (in thier opinion). They aren't railroaded into one of two paths. Some will still choose CHL for 4 years. Some will opt to go NCAA at 17/18. Some will still choose USHL/NAHL or Junior A until NCAA. The big winners are the kids that would now get to choose their path. The NCAA is also a net winner, and I could maybe see it leading to an expansion of D1 Hockey. The CHL would lose some (not all) of the college eligible players, which might lower the overall quality of hockey, but not by as much as some fear. The lower leagues might suffer a bit, but the Makar's of the world are very rare. Not many top prospects choose that route, and with this change, they have the option of going CHL until NCAA. The USHL might lose some to the CHL for the same reasons. The players that might be adversely affected are the ones that are borderline NCAA quality. They might lose spots to the CHL transfers. But that means a spot is open on a CHL roster, and they might have a decent shot at it, and still earn "scholarship" credit for a Canadian university. Overall, I think it is a slight detriment for CHL, a bit more for Junior A and USHL, and a boon for NCAA. For players, the ideal path for an NHL level prospect would be CHL>NCAA>NHL/AHL, followed closely by sticking with CHL the whole time.

[@Nammer403]

If I’m a player I would definitely go the college route….you never know when your hockey career ends and you don’t have any other education to fall back on and earn a dollar,

[@stanbudden9387]

You need to explore where the push for this came from when teams in the BCHL and AJHL broke away from Hockey Canada because of the limiting opportunities. Once they broke away, there became a bigger push for the CHL teams to work with the NCAA and figure out how to allow them to play. I see a lot of these Junior A and similar leagues going out of business once the NCAA takes CHL players (which honestly is a almost foregone conclusion). There has to be a route for players to develop, but Hockey Canada maintains the CHL has to be the best. It would make an interesting video for you to do.

[@nonmatt]

In addition to the NCAA’s “free degree” (92% grad rate surprises me) the recent Name Image Likeness decision could make NCAA a more attractive option.

[@simonreilly213]

Way better for the kids to leave hockey with a degree, and if it’s better for them, then that’s what really matters.

[@atex6175]

If your are not nhl ready in your draft year college hockey makes more financial sense. Between NIL (now) and the fact if you don’t sign before you graduate you’re automatically a free agent. I’m honestly surprised it’s taken this long to catch on

[@stevenmiller3992]

another great video rob, glad to see the continued growth of your page

[@MvdV-g1o]

With the NCAA, there's also the possibility of NIL deals. Granted, I don't see a large market for that for college hockey, but I do see a scenario where a college hockey program poaches a star to attract more talent and increase brand visibility. Considering all athletes are potentially one injury from losing the opportunity of earning millions playing pro, it does make sense to get NIL money if you can.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

NCAA could be argued the better goalie path due to the more soundness of play and having older players who end up being more developed in behavior.

[@chrispswann6825]

If I was a Canadian hockey player and I had the choice to play in the CHL or play in the NCAA I'd definitely play in the NCAA. It's a higher level of hockey and I get a full scholarship at a US College. That's important because only a small fraction of college/junior players make it to the NHL

[@jozefgames1997]

Hey Rob, I live in Langley. Just making you are safe and fine from all the flooding that’s happening! And as always keep up the great videos! ❤️

[@chuck2469]

I don't think this will be that big of a deal, the star level players can jump from CHL to NHL hockey and those over aged players playing in the CHL aren't revenue drivers like Mcdavid or Bedard, just gives the middle class of Hockey players more options

[@captaincanada67]

Won't affect Canadian Hockey CHL very much. The NCAA budgets aren't going to shift cash from their Football, basketball, or even baseball budgets to try boost Hockey which likely lose them cash compared to the other 3 sports. The NCAA has maybe five programs nation wide and that won't change a thing and player position dominance go up and down there will be years where CHL produces the top Goalies, Years Europe will have the best goalies and the NCAA will have their moments it has been happening for 70 years. Finally when was the last time a NCAA goalie started for a Stanley Cup Winner or how many NCAA goalies have started for a Stanley Cup in the last decade, even how many NCAA goalies have ever started for cups, then take those numbers and compare them to CHL draftees also over the last decade and ever. There is nothing going to change one way or the other, and if they did the CHL Board of Directors can counter with allowing individual commercial sponsorships a move the NCAA Hockey would never be able to take.

[@ManishSharma-mc5kf]

Things are changing. There’s a passion for college hockey that’s palpable. It may not be to the level of the other college sports but hockey fits in nicely as a third option superseding the other sports.

[@gregorybiestek3431]

There have there have been rumblings for nearly two decades in some states to add hockey programs. Well-heeled alumni are always competing to show off their wealth and brag about their ownership or support of things. If they can’t own a piece of an NHL club, what better way to be part of the ”in” crowd in your social circle than being the major donor to a hockey program. One example - the Illich family was in discussions just before Mike’s death to fully fund a new hockey program at 50,000 student Wayne State University in the heart of Detroit. With lots of new players don’t you think the Illich’s would revisit those discussions?

[@MP-dn4bs]

The NCAA is producing excellent goalie talent. The fact that they haven't played for Cups yet (other than Quick) has a lot to do with the fact that elite goaltending is not a requirement for a Cup winner now. Elite forwards are far more important.

[@MrGamman3yt]

I think we are all forgetting how much cash female hockey could/is bringing. Just like Porsche, Ferrari, Aston selling SUV's it helos amortize the costs over a larger program. Growth of any kind is good. College is perfect for this. Brings potentially more fans too. costs in hockey now are astronomical and outrageous. Need a way to pay for it all.

[@brodyheintzman7569]

​@MP-dn4bs Hockey canada knows this, and this is the problem. We are focusing all of our developments on fowards as they are the most sought after players now (game breaking fowards). But now we have this scenario where we have no goalies.

[@eliaminator2313]

What I just automatically assumed from this would be that a lot of guys would play in the CHL and then go to the NCAA for a year or 2 before making the jump to the NHL/AHL just gives them more development against players their age group before making the jump. I think this hurts the USHL and usports leagues a lot more

[@johnnyhockey53]

i live in medicine hat and i remember when we drafted gavin. i knew he would be a hockey prodigy and im so happy i get to watch him play every week

[@judeau9151]

the full-ride scholarship to a U.S institution is also nice

[@ajpatella1037]

My only deal with the video is this. Not all of these CHL players coming into the NCAA would recieve full-ride scholarships, especially at these smaller D-1 schools here in the US. Furthermore, with there only being 22 roster spots and only a handful of bench spots, you would have to imagine that these players would want playing time. I feel you would need to see more D-1/D-3 hockey programs open up for this CHL to NCAA to truly become a problem. I think you might see a few more players from the CHL make their way to the NCAA, but I can't really see it become this incredibly fatal deal for canadian junior hockey if this deal goes through. Maybe I'm looking at this the same way I currently look at college football, but you have to admit that issues in college football could potentially transfer to college hockey as well.

[@TH1RDP3RSON]

this is absolutely a great change for the players. that rule was so dumb

[@kidman2505]

Played for a D1 school, as a goalie that saw a good amount of playtime, I did tree work offseason to pay for classes, rent, etc. Granted this was way back in 2001-2005.

[@Costofwisdom1971]

Why not.. Bettman took this game from Canada a long time ago. The league is a joke, look at the department of player SAFETY lol.. total joke

[@MrGamman3yt]

550k minor hockey registrants in us vs 500k in canada. Hockey alberta is same size as finland. Could a hockey alberta team take on team finland? Not a chance. Hockey canada is broken. Not bettmans fault.

[@kennyg1358]

​@@MrGamman3ytAn Alberta hockey team would do just fine vs Finland. Also Finland has nearly 1 mil more people and lots of Alberta's recent population growth is Indian, Chinese and Filipino.

[@chrisbelos2834]

Don't forget that every canadian junior hockey league is supported by private investors (one or more for each team) while in the US, the colleges have deeper pockets. They can play in empty arenas and it doesn't matter for the league while in canada, playing in front of empty seats means the team will be moved.

[@BrettMichaelRocker]

I think this would actually hurt leagues like the AJHL and USHL the most. Top players who want to play NCAA hockey would have to go through those leagues to play in the NCAA. If CHL players can go to the NCAA, top players have no reason to play in the USHL or AJHL, or any of the other junior US leagues. The CHL may lose some top players after they turn 18, but they are likely to gain more top players who are 16 and 17.

[@intentionaloffside8934]

But Modano played junior with the Prince Albert Raiders in the Western Hockey League, not the NCAA. Realistically, the big change is the court ruling against the NCAA in 2021 in favor of student athlete compensation. Prior to this the NCAA resisted efforts to compensate college athletes beyond the scholarship and stipend. In the CHL, Courts have approved a 33 million dollar settlement for former Major Junior Hockey Players who played in the WHL or OHL. The only remaining condition before the players can be paid is settlement approval by the Quebec Court for the QMJHL Class Action. If the settlement is not approved in Quebec then players will not be paid and all three matters will continue to be litigated, probably for years with no guarantee the players will win or see any compensation. This has the potential to bankrupt the CHL.

[@RRaquello]

A number of top level American players have taken the Junior route over the years including Patrick Kane & Matthew Tkachuk. I think you might see even more if the NCAA teams start scarfing up 20 year old 4 year Junior Hockey vets there will be fewer opportunities for 18 year old American players, so they'll go to Canada.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

@@RRaquello right now playing in the CHL means you can't play in the NCAA... so naturally this should hollow out the USHL. Which in some ways may not be the worst thing as its forcing a lot of american talent out to the midwest or give up hockey at a youngish age.

[@jimkeats891]

A few things. 1. why show the Vancouver goalie but not Sway? 2. why so much UMass-Amherst but no UMass-Lowell? 3. why would anyone complain about getting a FREE degree!?! (I had to work and pay for mine) 4. what would the limit be on the number of scholarships offered to Canadians over Americans?

[@nakednerdo1424]

Hasn't been Canada's game in a long time Americas now but hey the way it's going here our national pastime will be cricket soon enough

[@hockeyaddict7007]

World hockey rankings...1. Canada...2...Russia....3...Finland....4...Czechia...5..switerland....6..USA

[@steve8803]

@nakednerdo1424 Many of the NHL games are blacked out in my area. It's annoying! You don't see that with NFL, NBA or MLB games.

[@deounivers7663]

@@hockeyaddict7007 Hockey in Canada is much more popular, but development wise USA has much more money and USHL is almost equal to the canadian juniors. NCAA is miles ahead on anything Canada has on university level. If this goes through USHL might be a better place for Canadians just because of the connection with NCAA. Obviously the CHL is still good, but yeah...

[@Kiddingyoumust]

Cricket? You couldnt have said soccer or basketball? ... You went with cricket AHAHAHAH

[@hockeyaddict7007]

@@deounivers7663 yeah I guess I really don't care where Canadian players decide to play as long as they're ready to go during international tournaments.

[@humancentered3447]

This is devastating to American players who may develop late. Its literally taking nhl positions from kids who won’t get a look and won’t have a league to stay in to stay relevant

[@terrellhood4549]

I personally hate this. It’s going to have a major negative impact on ushl nahl ajhl bchl and the couple other lower tiers that are growing. It’s also going to kill the futures of a lot of later developing prospects who weren’t stars at 15,16. If anything I think USports should find a way to continue developing players and turn them into pro players rather than punish players who thought more long term and wanted to go to school

[@RenditionLies]

8:40 $900 million????? I never knew the Canadian dollar finely caught up with the Yen ¥ 😂

[@frankvoycik2023]

If anything, I think this may be good for the CHL , many top prospects don’t go that route because they’ll forfeit their NCAA eligibility. If that restriction was gone, we may see an increase in players heading to the CHL because now they have that choice back. It’s gotta be a tough decision for a 15-16yo kid to completely eliminate the NCAA option. I think this would primarily hurt the lower junior leagues that end up with top prospects that don’t want to lose their amateur status.

[@johnburns9634]

Rob, one of my thoughts includes Brad Park talking about playing in the afternoon in a game in Toronto, and being asked if he wants to watch a Junior game where a 14 year old Bobby Orr was playing, and Bobby was controlling the play with 18 year olds. Are there still players in Canada that are being rushed into situations in the CHL because of monetary problems with the teams they’re playing for, weakening their development even at that stage?

[@dehavillandcanadatwinotter9621]

I always wondered what it would be like wanting to get a university degree but being a top prospect in the CHL. Hockey isn't guaranteed to work out, I guess they could always go to university later in life but there's still some risk about having to choose.

[@IconZQc]

We already saw a decline in players coming out of the Q in recent years.. imagine now

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

Great video. Until you mentioned it i didn't realize that the best NHL defenseman didn't play in the CHL. Great titbit

[@tigerramcharitar7178]

the rule isn’t one game. the rule is you can’t stay longer than 48 hours at a main camp from a CHL team, however, you can appeal the NCAA to get your rights back, i played at adrian college in 2022-23 and there was a kid on the ncaa d3 team that had played in the WHL

[@colinrankin1659]

You forgot about the NIL deals. The NCAA allows players to get paid and get sponsorships now

[@internetaccount9010]

Few players even play NCAA before their junior career ends, just look at the BCHL rosters. Full of guys already 18-20 who are committed to NCAA schools in the future. This won't impact CHL as these players will just jump up to major junior, colleges will treat the CHL as a semi farm system so commits get more ice time then bring them in after junior. The only two leagues that will suffer are the BCHL and the USHL as they've marketed themselves as the best option for players who want to play NCAA. The rest of Junior A in Canada will be basically the same as very few guys in those leagues get d1 offers anyways. If anything this will just open up spots for them at Usports so it might be a net gain for Junior A players

[@Turnstables]

I grew up in a town with an mj team that has been fluttering with its existence for some time. When I was in school you would get some free gear and sticks to play for free. Now it’s a case of the kids have to pay to play for most teams and usually well above your triple A team fees. Not exactly a winning business plan. I think chl players being able to jump to ncaa will more hinder the ncaa younger prospects. As aside from your makars or celebrini’s you can bring in fully tested chl 20 year olds looking for that last kick at making it, while also providing an education. I also believe that there’s been many lawsuits against the chl because they restrict the paid schooling to only a few years after you are aged out of the chl. So many borderline pro players try their hand at Europe or echl and then lose the scholarships that are “paid for” simply because they chose to try and play pro hockey.

[@pyRoy6]

This is going to be interesting. I'm assuming that the average age of the top CHL players will become lower, but the overall level of play might remain the same? You would assume that Junior A and U-Sports will be the losers out of all of this. Of course, the NCAA should win....and hockey development in general will be better for the reasons you stated. Oh, I guess the NCAA might end up with a larger proportion of Canadians, meaning American-born players might lose out?

[@Rinde007]

Being a North Dakotan and Hockey fan, I always wondered why I hated Crosbey, the fire went out last year, out of the blue, then you tell me he could've been with Toews and Oshie?! Wtf Sid UND is amazing! (I'm overdramatic with everything)

[@bdinaz]

NCAA also allows you to train and play in facilities that the CHL can only dream of.

[@AdamOBrien-w4k]

Their facilities look insane

[@librarycard3748]

Not all, many are mediocre.

[@jonnysaint5261]

CHL play 60 games. They don't really practice.

[@bdinaz]

Check out the spitting chiclets post on the Ralph Englestad Arena.....

[@AdamOBrien-w4k]

@@jonnysaint5261 Pretty sure they do practice since nhl teams do. I think one of the benefits for college hockey is less games which gives more time to have deliberate practice. You have school but it’s also less taxing on the body so you would probably get better quality reps in practice but I didn’t play junior so idk

[@Iambetterthanyouanduknowit]

OHL will become a 15-19 league, no more overagers. Either you go to the show or you can go NCAA.

[@jerryrikki9466]

15-17 for top talent. Even then top 17 yo prospects will leave for NCAA like celebrini. Even MacKinnon wanted to play in the NCAA because of the competition level, with the added money and even better competition it's going to drain the CHL of top talent.

[@Iambetterthanyouanduknowit]

@@jerryrikki9466 first off you’re assuming that these hockey players are even academically fit to play college. I played major junior half of the kids didn’t even go to high school never mind college.

[@jerryrikki9466]

@@Iambetterthanyouanduknowit well times have changed since you played, you need to be doing well academically unless you've already graduated highschool now

[@gregspencer2654]

​@@Iambetterthanyouanduknowitthat's cute you think US colleges care about the academics of the student players....lol....re basketball

[@cglasford1]

@@jerryrikki9466 perhaps but those kids have to meet somewhat high educational standards to be eligible for the NCAA and there aren't that many kids with HS diplomas at 17.

[@ronpeacock9939]

I understand the ban and the reason to lift it realated to the new NIL payments making the ban useless... but I also don't see it harming the CHL as much as many think.

[@tommygoode9644]

Converting $400,000 US dollars to Canadian dollars and adjusting for inflation puts it at about $900,000,000 dollars. Yeah that's about right.

[@JD200_]

CHL will become a U18 league

[@gregorybiestek3431]

Agreed!

[@nolane3972]

not necessarily, there will be players who: - don't get offers from highly rated NCAA programs and don't want to go to a mid/low level program - know they will get much more playing time in the CHL and more important roles - can't afford to move and/or go to college (not everyone will be offered full rides) - really like their team and their area and don't want to move somewhere like North Dakota. Especially for kids that have already been drafted.

[@nolane3972]

also you can always do NCAA after you're 20. There will be players who stick out their last 2 years in the CHL and then they can go to NCAA. If I was not a highly touted prospect, I think that would be appealing. I get to stretch my hockey career until I'm 24 years old at least and still get to graduate with a diploma if hockey doesn't work out professionally

[@RRaquello]

@@nolane3972 Also, if, as mentioned in the video, the CHL pays one year's college tuition for every year you play in the CHL, that means an overage player, coming out of juniors after 4 years, doesn't even need a scholarship to play in the NCAA because his tuition is already paid for by the CHL. I'm not sure exactly how that all works. Maybe they'll only pay tuition to a Canadian college? I have no idea. But Derek Ryan played 4 years for Spokane in the WHL then 4 years for the U of Alberta. No scholarship to the U of Alberta, but I'm guessing his tuition was paid for by the CHL tuition program. No scholarship necessary.

[@tompotter3259]

It literally has no impact what so ever for the CHL it simply means that players that do not make a CHL team can still play NCAA where as before if they even stepped on the ice for a CHL tryout they were no longer eligible. The CHL with 60 game schedules and far higher NHL scout visibility will almost always be a players first choice. And to call NCAA higher level hockey than any 3 of the CHL leagues is laughable.

[@andrewryba7864]

that is like saying guys will play highschool hockey for 3 years instead of junior for 3 to wait for NCAA once the graduate highschool. this is a bulshit argument that worked out for a couple of players.

[@JamesBenedictFitzGerald]

007 background music 💥

[@Statsy10]

This is a complex issue with so many possible outcomes for various leagues and players. But one thing is for sure... that video had more sick snipes than I could wrap my head around. 😊

[@ZeetherBit]

Ngl the biggest problem for hockey in Canada is simply the economics. In the US buying equipment with US dollars the prices are actually not all that bad, but prices in Canada are just ridiculous with our currency being so low now. Moreover, to live in Canada is simply too expensive and you’re not left with all that much money to spend on other things like sports for your children. Once it’s becomes easier to live in Canada we will see for sure a rebound in youth players and again a rebound in the CHL.

[@ZeetherBit]

I think time will tell with the NCAA vs CHL if it stays like this but an answer could be a joint venture with Usports and the CHL where we could see a UK system of university sports where you can have a University A,B,C teams all competing in a league and all being training pipelines for each other. This would provide a needed gap and competitive edge over American Universities where some players would rather try there hand at the USports B team then play for a dead low tier NCAA team that lacks the quality and talent they need to develop and also be cheaper on tuition since many of these NCAA spots are not filled by scholarships or full rides.

[@MrGamman3yt]

Getting along, and working out a good system? lol. Have you seen hockey canada? Too many ego's in hockey for 'a good' system. I truly wish I were wrong, but see last 40yrs.

[@adamleblanc5294]

I think you're getting this backwards with the financial/stars leaving aspect. The NCAA allows CHL players will mean that players will be more likely to play in the CHL. You start playing in the CHL while in high school, so they'd still play in the CHL until they graduate high school. Anyone who's a big star would be going straight to the NHL anyways. It would hurt USports and other Junior league though. But it would definitely help the CHL teams.

[@hollowmade]

”…due to the Wayne Gretzkys, the Mike Modanos…” as far as I know there’s only been one of each name in hockey so far.

[@mattwilliams7454]

WHL used to produce top defenceman constantly. I think the Q is so offense focused that it hurts overall

[@Thesportskid3605]

Notre dame’s helmets look so clean I’m from south bend so I watch every game

[@GCHG2014]

When I would sit down with parents and answer CHL/Juniors or the college route, I would always say, Do you need to develop your individual game or your team game. Individual games are better developed in college and game play better develops in CHL/Junior. Goalies and defense need a little more time to develop their personal games where forwards can build their skill at the team level. History shows this and this rule change will only magnify that. More games vs more practice. The majority of junior teams are tax write offs, lose money or bust even. That will not change with the rule change. Personally I see it watering down the CHL but increasing the college landscape from D1 to D3. You will see a increase in D1 teams that play in the ACHA move to D1. Not a lot but a few will. D3 will become more competitive with those players not drafted but would have previously had a D1 position.

[@FWFarenholtz]

Less players moving to the States to pursue college cause their Jr. A league back home in Quebec, the maritimes or Ontario doesn't cut it? Now they can stay in Canada, play in the best league and still opt to go to college in the NCAA if they desire... if anything this is beneficial...

[@ChimoWilson]

"In wosrt case Ontario"... casually dropping a TPBs reference here, fuck Eh Buddy!

[@convec1320]

Think the CHL has got to collaborate with Canadian Universities to try and survive if this is the case

[@reginahousehunters]

I think it might be an opportunity for more players to play in the CHL then move on to a US college. Idk, interesting development. I think it opens up options for all players.

[@KellanMarr2]

Simple math says if lots of CHL players jump to the NCAA at 18, there will not be enough quality CHL players to maintain the current number of teams. Therefore, if the NCAA vote passes, the CHL will shrink. I would expect plenty of undrafted CHL players to jump to the NCAA for the degree for post-hockey.

[@sethperry6616]

I'm very thankful to have a local WHL team.

[@jean-francoispoitras6857]

The CHL will have to upgrade their offer to survive. Competition is always a good thing for the customer, in this case players. It means that you will no longer have to put at risk your future for a potential NHL career.

[@MetalOcelot90]

I think it's good. Players are older and bigger in the NCAA and that beats being an over ager, a big fish in a small pond. Also, think of how much Canada has sucked at developing goalies. It might help there.

[@brandongoodall2947]

I moved to Uleth in 2022 wanting to play some hockey and was very upset when I found out we didn’t have a team anymore 10:50

[@overdoseentertainment7862]

I mean over the progress of a season in NHL 24 my first NHL game I went from rookie to pro in a season of pro career now Ive moved to superstar for the 2nd season and it's a huge transition between those two dofficultys

[@DuffyGabi]

Damn, learn to write.

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

Also a player can get drafted out Junior A, go to the NCAA for one or two years and go to the AHL where they can actually develop

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

Players and their families have to do what's best for them and their potential professional careers.

[@HonkyTonkHellraiser]

There's been many NHL Draft Bust defenseman come out of the CHL

[@bleedingfinger]

Those kids that move on to the ncaa from the CHL, will just have their spots filled by other Canadians……

[@Deoxys26]

Can’t believe you’re a pronghorn, Rob!

[@HOBOTw1tcH]

1:20 bro puts Modano into the same sentence as Gretzky

[@brennangoogoo027]

@RobTalksHockey 5:55 Just an heads up, being on the bottom of the totem pole would imply that they are the strongest team, as the beings on the bottom of the totem pole were always meant to hold/lift everyone else up. :)

[@davetechme]

Canadian House League will develop the best future beer leaguers in North America.

[@Huskies2308]

I'm not a fan of this potential rule change because my city has a USHL team, and if this rule change does happen, then everybody will go to the CHL since there is more talent

[@superflyers148]

Funny now Canadians are open to this change when USA hockey is starting to Peak! Must be a coincidence😂😂😂

[@kolanos]

8:25 Wow, Canadian inflation is that bad? $400-600K is equivalent to $900M now?

[@rejean2744]

This won't be a NCAA decision in the end. Banning Canadian kids for getting money when US kids are (NIL) is a loser in court. But foreign college students have limits on $$ they can earn.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

how much they can be paid as students, NIL can still be paid out when they "go home".

[@michel-oliviersevigny9070]

That’s indeed a real dilemma

[@njlundquist5344]

"Worst case Ontario" ❤

[@kvltntr00]

I really don't want to see college hockey become like college football and basketball

[@schematiks]

They should remove League restrictions entirely. We should just be about age and quality.

[@captain-bedhead]

Bro you went to uLeth?!

[@DB-fd6ho]

Doesn't the CHL provide 1 year of College for every year played in the league? If a full ride is the incentive then that's a wash, especially for those players that know that they won't make it to the show let alone the AHL.

[@dezmod1644]

It's capitalism, you snooze you're toast

[@jordanw.9961]

See I think this is a bad take. We may lose drafted players but the true stars are going to the league their first or 2nd year eligible anyway. This will allow Americans who are worried about education afterwards to come and play which opens up more of a talent pool

[@jordanw.9961]

I think overall its better for hockey and even for the CHL

[@TheFlogger567]

What else does the CHL have that isn't just hockey? I mean it's just the smarter option to play in the NCAA where if you don't make it to the NHL for whatever circumstance you can still fall back on a bachelors degree obtained while playing hockey. Pretty much a no-brainer for anyone.... with a brain.

[@7ehNP]

This is way better for CHL. Bad for the Junior A leagues like the SJHL and bad for the new BCHL league

[@nolane3972]

next year there will still be the same amount of roster spots across Canadian hockey leagues and NCAA. If NCAA is getting filled by ex-CHL players there is potential for US born players to play in the CHL. If not, then those players will be bumped down to the USHL (or other leagues) thus increasing their competition. The CHL could also have an influx of talent that might have gone to other minor hockey leagues to keep their NCAA eligibility (i.e. Makar, Celibrini), so now you'd have those guys from 16-17 years of age, and you might be able to convince them to stay in the CHL. I think there is a lot of potential for growth when you increase competition. Leagues will have to adjust and improve their system instead of taking advantage of a stupid rule that the NCAA had. In the long run, this will be great for the growth of the game IMO. Certainly for the NCAA, I bet there will be new teams that come into existence and mid/low level D1 teams that really grow their programs.

[@MrGamman3yt]

Someone smarter than I needs to do a video on this and exolain well.

[@afuzzycreature8387]

well, for the higher end players, sure, but for the general talent, no, not really. It does mean that going to the CHL is no longer a college terminus so you would see the Makars of the world play MJ

[@nolane3972]

@@afuzzycreature8387 I agree, I think this will mostly effect higher end talent. I could see some low/mid level talent 20 year olds going to NCAA after finishing their CHL eligibility though

[@andrewsutton2266]

Yeah that is actually a good thing for hockey and development

[@haaste_mies]

"All the top goalies are from NCAA, Sweden or Russia". Wrong!. Korpisalo, Annunen, Saros etc. are from Finland. So was Rinne, Rask etc.