Rocky Mountain Growler - expensive, but worth it?

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[@austinarmagost2001]

Growler is actually one of the cleanest looking frames I've seen. Also, the stability on the descents far outweighs any climbing negatives. This bike deserves a better ranking.

[@CirclingtheFringes]

I hear the standard brakes are not too good, what would you say? Thanks for replying.

[@austinarmagost2001]

@@CirclingtheFringes They are certainly not the best brakes out there. They well enough though. You probably would not need to upgrade them unless you were doing a lot of downhill riding at a bike park or something similar.

[@CirclingtheFringes]

@@austinarmagost2001 Thanks for your reaction. I live in the Netherlands, so its mostly flat around here, some small hills. Is the frame rigid enough for a big man? I am about 6"4, 230 pounds. Is there any information about torn frames? I need the sadle high up, so its kind of a lever, hope i express this right🤣🤔

[@austinarmagost2001]

@@CirclingtheFringes the frame should be fine as long as you get the right size.

[@CirclingtheFringes]

@@austinarmagost2001 Thanks, i am going to try one this week. Its a used bike from 2023. Do you know what parts i should look at specifically?

[@wilmernordman6268]

I like todays setup with just you and the action cameras bettet honestly. Feels more honest and more like an actual review of the bike!

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Awesome Wilmer thanks for the feedback on that!

[@xara7644]

Canyon stoic ? Might very well be my first mtb, and curious to see a good review. Great video !

[@loganjacobson2335]

Hardtail party just did a really in depth review of it

[@justinmiller1535]

^^see his review of it before you buy.

[@derKischda]

Stoic owner here. Get it especially because as a beginner you don't know what you really like in bikes and trails. It gives you the most bang for your buck and you can ride most enduro trails with it (already did that). I have the cheapest the Stoic 2 and upgraded already a lot. Since ergonomics are key to long rides. Also you get one for under 800€ atm which is a steal.

[@_mgiles]

I own it. If you're a beginner don't but it. If you're a beginner you don't need that spec and you can find something that's easier to ride. It's a very rough bike. Awesome. But rough

[@phillevin6651]

Action is fine.. don’t bother w tripod..

[@RayHowrad]

Just found your channel and I’m enjoying your content! I appreciate the work you put into production with the high def camera, editing, and sound. Really polished! However, if just using action cams saved you time and keeps you putting out content I’m completely fine with that. Ultimately, it’s the bike nerd/Hardtail stuff I like. You’re doing a fantastic job! Thanks!

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Thanks Carabaoray!

[@PoDo2213]

I think the Canyon Stoic is a very good hardtail for Hardtail Quest. And it has everything and it has external Cabel routing

[@billydeewilliams8909]

Canyon bikes are just incredibly reasonably priced, too. The upmarket Stoic ($1900) has a Rockshox Pike Select fork ($800 MSRP), while the equivalent Commencal Meta HT ($2000) has a Rockshox Yari ($600 mrsp).

[@matevzbremec4289]

I own a stoic 3 and its great. I hope he tries it in the future.

[@rpiian]

Hardtail Party tested it recently and it was quite a stiff frame. Not saying its a bad bike at all, but just what it is.

[@knkoehler]

Here for the stoic party!

[@IAmJeebus]

I'm digging the series, Evan! I also prefer the action cam stuff. The dual angles are really cool, and it feels more like you're talking with us on the ride without any breaks in between. Digging it.

[@DylanF23]

Keep up the amazing work I love how fast you are punching out this series!

[@nickbrinckerhoff6320]

Very well done camera work, I too enjoyed the more personal feel of just you reviewing the bike.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Thanks Nick!

[@MikeWarner75]

Agreed.

[@benj1052]

Santa Cruz chameleon. Great geometry for all types of riding, sliding rear dropouts and the ability to run mixed wheel sizes. I know it’s expensive but it’s definitely worth a try!

[@Vitsigun]

But he only test Alu bikes

[@philhunt1442]

don't they have cf and alloy frames? @@Vitsigun

[@pepeanza6187]

I have the 2 bikes the Growler Is much better in climbing and downhills and better ride feel, im just selling the chameleon i dont ride It i always take the Growler

[@AZRob.]

Filming was great! Super fun even just to watch! Good job man!

[@Dan_Kornfeld]

The action camera footage (bar mount, chest mount, & tripods) absolutely works! The POV shots, especially on new bike reviews (Hardtail Quest), or new trail reviews, is definitely more engaging, and is the best at conveying how the bike actually performs (climbing, tech, flow, jump, cornering). Throw in the side of the trail facing the camera commentary, and its the complete package! Keep doing what you do 😁👍‼️

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Thanks Dan! I appreciate the feedback and permission in a way

[@HomiesAdventures]

The Growler is an amazing frame!!! I regularly ride mine on downhill trails and decent sized jump lines. Specifically the Growler 20 so I could upgrade it down the line.

[@funky-phantom]

And that frame can take an obscene amount of abuse. It's built like a tank. Had a hard time deciding between a 40 and something more "xc" oriented.

[@Alderonn10]

Loving this series!

[@bencove717]

Love the action cam footage!!

[@arden0]

Can’t see how the build is terrible considering it’s $1200? The last bike frame alone cost $900, good luck building it up anywhere near $1200… the other models of the growler are all great value

[@RICARDOGARCIA-wr9hx]

It isn't it's very nice bike

[@connorreid1979]

The chest cam is cool with me. Enjoy watching the content and this series! 🙌

[@jamesb8467]

Awesome video...glad you tested the Growler! We have the same exact Birkenstocks too

[@darrylhausman-pk8cq]

Good Vid Evan , Chest cam does the job well . Picture quality is very good too . Keep up the good work

[@CoachLo3]

I’ve been watching your channel since the beginning and I totally trust your decisions on camera stuff. Action cam or camera man always look good. Looking for to the next hardtail.

[@johnmckinney9646]

Action shots are great. Stay hydrated bro. ❤ The reviews. Team Rocky Mtn!

[@BrandinBowler]

Action cam and pov is fine, the value is in the evaluation you give and insight you provide.

[@skienjoyer]

Good video as always! Cant wait for the next one

[@ahilleasalexiadis5978]

Loving this series!!! I think it would be interesting to test the vitus nucleus (or sentier)... 😂 The bike which started it all❤️. Fantastic work, keep it up!

[@boldizsarkatai9055]

Great way to introduce the video's sponsor! You got my attention

[@hananas2]

I'm glad you still see $1200 as a significant amount of money to spend on a bike! I've seen other channels that say a $2000 Specialized Chisel is a "cheap" bike and even one that said untrue wheels are fine for the price.

[@Loudinkooks]

Vitus Sentier, absolutely love mine! Super light and single and responsive

[@topspot4834]

Very smart Evan, reading your ads while showing the tear down ... Your sponsors should be appreciative since viewers are much more likely to watch the ad. Reminds me of Howard Stern back in the day, who started reading ads during the live broadcast (which was a massive success and now a staple in the industry, plus he charged those companies a premium for doing it live). Your production and especially your attention to detail is top notch, and only Seth rivals you at the moment.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Thanks topspot! I used to listen to Howard from like 2010-2015, definitely an innovator! Thanks for the compliments as I'm working on the next video right now!

[@RoyBramlowe]

chest cam footage looks great dude

[@aaronstariha6841]

Quality content man, I'd never ride a hard tail but I just like your videos. Rode a rocky mountain altitude for years and they make great bikes, there is a reason you see them everywhere in bc.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Thanks for the support Aaron! You gotta try a Hardtail sometime!

[@jeddacheese]

The action cam is great content don’t worry about having to set up a tripod all the time the best content to watch is one you enjoy yourself to film, also glad to the the scout on top still

[@SailingVesselPrism]

Great review, all points are valid and I agree totally. I too got a growelr 20 with the idea of immediately upgrading the fork to a fox 36 w/160mm and slowly updating the rest of the bike overtime. Even with the fox the bike was still too heavy and sadly the stock hubs where defective which forced my hand upgrading those which I did with a new wheelset from Hunt. It should be noted RR sent me a new wheel set with Shimano hubs and WTB i30 rims which is great but I love the hunts and those will make a good backup set. I ended up replacing everything but the handlebars, stem, grips, drivetrain. In hindsight the scout would have been a better deal but I wanted to be able to ride while upgrading. I will say I ride with my brother who went with the scout and it is a much stiffer frame as well as the lower BB does have him getting more pedal strikes even with 155 cranks. Im still super happy with the bike and it has been great with all that front travel. With that said the nukeproof gets all the attention on the trail by other riders. Im glad the growler did as well as it did vs the other frames, keep up the good work!

[@herr_gigi8319]

The day is saved when evan uploads, keep up the Work man

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Thanks dude!

[@Biking_with_Akiva]

Nice camera setup🤙🏾💯

[@chrisst-amour8661]

Absolutely love my growler 20. Upgraded the shit out of it and its an absolute monster. XT drivetrain, Lyrik 150mm, Hope Tech 4s, RaceFace wheels etc

[@jcmoosepgbcca]

Camera angles look great!

[@jeffreying]

I think it adds value when you have a camera man to get those 3rd person shots to combine with your 1st person GoPro footage. I like seeing both perspectives.

[@sim_dude]

bar camera is cool for when you pause to talk or when less is going on. ofc with external pov is the best but this video was really good like that too

[@techworks.]

keep in mind all hard tales are for different types of riders and some people just love hard tales for chunk and downhill because its a whole other challenge, but otherwise i love the series, ur doing great and you have been riding super well!

[@MTB_olly12]

Love the work ❤

[@chrisbfleetwood]

The suspense! Love my growler. :)

[@chrisst-amour8661]

Same!

[@RABmbls]

Loving this Hardtail Quest ep.

[@zacharykiger9810]

I telling you man, you need to try the Orbea Laufey. And your content is yours, i will still love it either way.

[@jonasgustaf4464]

I think the setup with 2 action cameras (chest + bar) is the sweat spot. Really nice content!

[@llreeves1969]

Nice review, filming is fine. Thanks for a good video.

[@govindkrishnan3176]

Huge fan, I have watched all of your videos

[@skewbsandcubes4671]

Honestly, I like the purely action cam footage. Sometimes tho e switching back and forth from GoPro to cameraman makes it to where you can’t really see the trail as well. If allowing you to pump out more content means only action camera. Go for it!

[@CWBmtb]

I really like this series and I'm looking foward to a full suspension series. I just think you should stick the scoring to whole numbers from 1 to 5.

[@beversonvillador9495]

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[@Matenorgan]

Nice, I bought a Rocky Instinct last summer and ran into the same issue with price and components. It was a good bike, but I was disappointed. Even after putting about 1k into it, ($3900 total), I would've been better off with something else. This year I bought a YT Capra and I absolutely love it, and the price was insane. Fox 38, SRAM GX, Code R's, Crankbrother's wheels. $2380 total. Cameras were fine in this video.

[@HardCorps88]

I have the 2023 Growler 40 and love it. I Have a vitus nucleus in 27.5 and true...little harder on super tight stuff then vitus but you can do it. Im 6"5' and the XL is AWESOME.

[@jerryspeedbumps512]

Rode a friends Growler E bike with big 3.0 tires on it. It was a perfect combo! The bike was a size or two too small for me so I couldnt get a genuine feel for it, however with that kit, the big tires and the E bit, it was an excellent explorer in some very rough spaces!

[@charlesholland6851]

Thanks for letting us know the next bike in the test. Most youtubers would blur it it. 😂

[@cletusowns]

I really like the chest cam+bar mount combo for these reviews (almost better than the cameraman side of trail?)

[@kayakjack1987]

I need to see a specialized fuse. It’s sold in a frame set option with adjustable rear dropouts and I think it would be great for this type of riding

[@EvansMTBSaga]

I couldn't get my hands on one. Out of stock everywhere

[@owenadair8893]

Yes, the fuse would be great.

[@RiderBlitz1.0]

Wow, that frame is sweet

[@derDKP]

Yay for the Lost Co shout out! They are my local Bike shop!

[@onegrapefruitlover]

The POV camera is definitely better for this series. It’s easier to understand how a bike rides from that angle. The polished shots are cool but I prefer when they’re used sparingly.

[@joshgiuliani7724]

Hey all the way from Tasmania, Australia!🤘

[@bribed_eu]

Super excited for this one! Bought my growler 50 for 540eur!

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Wow what a smoking deal!

[@alexanderwolfe9167]

Great video series. I am curious why you are limiting frames to aluminum only. Seems like some of the steel options may be great for your purposes.

[@weesh4010]

I have an identical growler 20. Mine came spec'd differently, drivetrain wise (must have had part shortage). I was able to get some used parts to built it up, and including buying ghe bike new, it was cheaper to build with "new take offs", rather than buying a higher spec'd bike like the norco torrent A1. I noticed immediately that the frame absorbed the lip hit of jump. I added a bottomless tolken (3 in total) to my 150mm lyrik and lowered high-speed compression, and bumped my fork psi +5. I hope you give it more of a ride when youre a little less under the weather, it is an amazing bike.

[@chrisjones7281]

OK That RSD Looks sick! That's a 5 on looks. That my favorite So far, looking for ward to next week. I also 100% agree on the component spec. That is junk and its stuff you would have a very hard time selling to anyone else. So it almost like a 1200 frame.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Oh yeah good point I didn't even think of that. Basically 0 resale value in the wheels, fork, cranks, bars

[@havochardtail1341]

I ride this in super chunk and lots of jumps and absolutely love this bike. Been riding full suspensions for years and got this bike and with a few upgrades on it and I love it more than the full sus. Bummed it wasn’t higher because I do believe it is one of the best bang for buck (geo wise)

[@user-kk9ez9hg4z]

Great reviews! I hope Specialized Fuse and Santa Cruz Chameleon are in the list.

[@TheBassman396]

Every rocky mountain bike I have ever ridden has been stellar and the don’t look cheap

[@charlessbierman]

Great video! Still sad that i couldn’t film it due to high school orientation 😕

[@dimimtb]

Love the series, as a Canadian with a soft spot for Canadian made bikes, the Rocky is a classic but as an Ontarian, the middlechild wins out in my and can't wait to see the review. I'm looking to pick up the middlechild as they sell frame only and moving my Optic parts over for winter riding, I don't want FS in the winter.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

That's what I love about Hardtails. The frame only is pretty cheap, and frame swapping is super easy and can be done in an hour. I haven't been on a full suspension in like 2 months haha. I don't really miss it

[@joshuaoochan4843]

Thank you !

[@MtbOverload]

I think the bar camera and the action cam is good I don’t think it needs the other shots your videos are extremely high quality wir or without the other cameras.

[@X41N3]

RSD middlechild yes!! can't wait to see you on that as I've been wanting it for months now. Also the Marin san quentin is pretty nice but not rly compliant, and the banshee enigma is the 27.5 version of the paradox..and I'm a sucker for small wheels. 26 ain't dead boys!

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Did you know they made the Middlechild to be used with 29", 27.5", or 26" wheels?

[@X41N3]

@@EvansMTBSaga I didn't know about 26, but I'm only wanting it more now. Just imagine a 10-52 casette with a long cage derailleur on a 26er o.o

[@Ricky_MTB831]

I have a specialized fuse comp 29, would like to see evan try that frame on this episodes. And see what kind of rating it would get! I personally love it.

[@mtbshawn0]

I've got a growler 40 it's great I've got no complaints

[@nmcgregor1990]

I'd love to know what you think of the Identiti AKA. It's a bit of an odd ball (hence why I own one 😅). I don't see many around or even many reviews. I love it though apart from getting a bit of wrist ache but I'm new to riding so still learning how I like my bars, suspension setup etc. Love your content though! Thanks for all the work you put in 😁

[@matthewserna7475]

I have this bike as a companion to my full sus, climbing is definitely not the strong suit as you said, however going down and on flows it's one of the best bikes I've ever ridden. I actually feel that if the trail is not bumpy or rooty it's more capable than my izzo, probably due to geometry. That stack and steepness is immensely confidence inspiring. And climbing is actually not as bad as you would think it would be. Overall I think it's purpose is pretty intentional and it does it perfectly

[@ctsingletrack]

I like the way you produce your videos. Chest cam is a given. Having a camera facing you is nice when you're stopped and speaking, but not needed while riding. Having a camera person panning shots is great when you can get it, because it shows off the scale of the features your riding, but you do just fine without a crew. My sister was trying to buy a Growler 20 because of the price. I talked her out of it because of the parts spec. The Growler is definitely a cool bike, but I would advise people to pony up the extra cash for a Growler 40 or 50. There's no point in getting a rowdy frame with a bunch of non rowdy parts bolted to it.

[@gweflj]

“Machine welding” LOL!

[@karlbro8817]

Love this video just watched the video I am late but Atleast I watched it 🎉❤

[@Mr.P.Griffith]

Hardtail Party really liked the Team Marin and how it "felt like a trail bike should". I own one and coming from a decked out Trek marlin, it sure does ride nice. On my first exercise loop ride (and first ride of 2023) it beat my Trek marlin time by almost 20% from the previous year. My experience is limited but I do like how my Team Marin rides. It's stability gave me confidence that the Marlin couldn't touch.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

I'll check into that one! Thanks!!

[@joshuaallswang8016]

Team Marin’s are beautiful bikes but there “XC” bikes. Evan only reviews trail /enduro Hardtails.. sorry buddy.

[@Truth_Spoken]

Action camera footage is just fine

[@MTB2139]

I agree and enjoyed the footage.

[@bobzemeitus3084]

I picked up a Cannondale Habit HT. I’m a fan of it, it’s a lot easier to pedal around than my Banshee Legend 😬

[@willees6958]

Great video👏 Evan! Sad that Rocky Mtn did not spec the bike better. Smaller companies usually don’t have the buying Power… Not sure it makes sense to ‚fork out‘ $1200 just to get the frame. The same can be said for the Poseidon Norton, component specs aren’t great but at least that bike (with $100 off) only costs 899, frame only is $399. BTW… i suspect you are riding these bikes all with the same tire pressure?

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Oh yeah all the same pressures. Everything is the same other than changing the bar/stem combo to make it work. I never really looked into Poseidon, maybe that could be a separate video outside of Hardtail Quest

[@rocco.mbb.zoccoli]

Evan follows Gingium?!! What a cool path cross of my KZbinverse!!!

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Absolutely! Love his builds

[@emersonmeadows2896]

I wouldn’t call it budget, but the Santa Cruz chameleon is a really fun bike

[@BiffaloBuff893]

With Rocky Mountain, it used to be that you were paying for craftsmanship in the frame, as they were manufacturing their own frames. But nowadays they've outsourced their frame production (like pretty much every other bike manufacturer) to overseas.

[@minieaglehorse]

Funny sleeper gingium reference to his Volvo haha

[@vladimirtrajkov6833]

Evan u have amazing videos but whats that 'mini phone' on ur bars?

[@flintknapp3r]

Can you review marin san quentin please. I got my eyes on thie frame for my next ht build. Thanks for the very helpful video reviews!

[@EvansMTBSaga]

I believe that is 27.5 only

[@MarketingPub-gr4vd]

You should mention that this the entry lever Growler. I love my RM Growler 40!

[@yamahschector]

Internal routing is a good thing. Most of us are not reviewing and changing bikes or parts as often as reviewers.

[@elliotlandry7409]

the Growler 20 makes way more sens for the specs. I had a Growler 50 myself that I sold because It rode the same as my instinct. that bike is capable as fuck

[@bedlightbrown]

Can you please review the Cannondale Trail 1. I have a Scalpel and love it, was curious if any of the DNA was put into the trail series.

[@jaywolff16]

Hoping you release or show the full score breakdown excel sheet of all the builds at the end of the series. I'd place heavier weight on the jumping ability of a bike for the overall score since that's where the most fun is had. Curious to see which bike you think is the best jumper.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

I can post it next video. I'm not intentionally leaving it out, its just super wide and doesn't fit on the screen that well haha

[@henry.lohstroh]

Kona Honzo!!! I love mine it’s a super great aggressive hardtail

[@JDfromNV]

Canfield Yelli Screamy or Nimble 9 would be good choices, and can be bought as a frame only option and not crazy expensive.

[@melindamay6869]

What about the new 2023 san quintens? They have an awsome frame and they're an absolute beast on chunk. The only problem is that they are a 27.5 but with a mullet set-up (like mine) it would be the perfect hardtail.

[@gtThree]

For season 2, you should look at the Ribble Ht Al. Essentially a downhill hardtail.

[@jessesisco2841]

I don’t really care how it’s filmed, you can tell a lot of thought goes in to the filming and editing! That being said I’m in Joplin MO and come to Bentonville regularly if you ever need a camera man for some shoots!

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Oh rad man! If you have Instagram, shoot me a message @sagamtb

[@filmtabletta]

If you ask me. Definietly good enough the chestcam, stemcam, tripod trinity. Btw now, this series are just entertaining for me. I already bought a Nukeproof Scout 275 Comp. I just waiting for the delivery. :D

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Wow dude congrats! I hope you like it

[@filmtabletta]

@@EvansMTBSaga Thank you for all the good wishes! I think I've been a bit underbiked so far. My current bike is a Schwinn Woodlands from the 90s. Of course with a bit of retrofit. I hope the new bike will open up the world a little for me.

[@CodyMTB_]

Excellent video, at first I was hovering over the unsub with all the trash talk lol jk. I do believe this a very good analysis on the bike including the stock parts. I have the growler 20 and have replaced everything but the wheels. I will be getting the industry nine classic enduro soon though. After about 3.4k in cost it’s absolutely amazing bike and I love it. I’d really like to show you mine, I think you would like it. Thanks for the great content.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Oh man thats rad! And those wheels will cap it off making that such an amazing hardtail. I'll check out your videos, I like the yellow colorway

[@CodyMTB_]

Hey, just looking back and seeing all your responses so so nice to see. The engagement you have is amazing and I appreciate it. Please don’t lose that, the ability to watch these vids and see the interactions far exceeds any content in my opinion. I really appreciate and respect your thoughts and opinions on all these topics. Thank you very much for your time and efforts your putting into your content. Seriously though, I don’t watch tv I much rather find something/someone way more interesting/ entertaining to watch and learn from, thank you.

[@lennoxreilly7264]

To take a bit of weight off of your hands lower your seat-post slightly and then you could also try to raise the tip of your saddle

[@marksandoval5361]

With the seat pushed forward the Growler has what I consider ideal Trailbike Hardtail geometry, 76* STA and 64* HTA. In addition, the Growler has a long top tube for the given size which will make the bike even longer. A bike with similar geo that might be good to test would be the Cannondale Habit HT.

[@EvansMTBSaga]

Yeah it was really nice, if only it had sliding dropouts

[@joshuaallswang8016]

An Ideal HTA for a trail bike is 65.5-65* anything under and your pushing Enduro territory.

[@marksandoval5361]

@@joshuaallswang8016 For a full-sus, I would agree with you. A 77* STA, 65* HTA is about ideal for a full-sus Trailbike. However, Hardtails are different. To get the same geometry when a Hardtail is sagged both the seattube and the headtube need to be about 1* slacker than for for a full-sus Trailbike, 76* STA, 64* HTA.

[@joshuaallswang8016]

@@marksandoval5361 hmmm.. makes sense. Thanks for the insight brother.