Rocky Mountain Instinct Review - 2024 eMTB Shootout

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@conflictingalibi 5 ай бұрын

Bought this exact spec just over a month ago. For months I considered the Repeater PT, and Shuttle AM, but the 35% off from RM sealed the deal. Used that discount to convert it to an Altitude PP with Zeb Ultimate, and Super Deluxe Ultimate Coil, Maven Ultimate brakes, OneUp v3 Dropper, and NSB 155mm cranks, and still turned out cheaper than any other option. Squamish based and it's absolutely perfect for the terrain. Couldn't be more stoked on the purchase!

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

That’s awesome to hear!! Congrats and enjoy

@rawmancemtb 4 ай бұрын

Isn't the 148.5mm spindle too short for RM? Or is the Instinct different from Altitude? Oh it's RM specific crankset different from the normal one. Not available though.

@josephcapps7325 5 ай бұрын

Best bike in the shootout. Mine from 2019 still has all the original motor parts while I know people that have brand new bikes from other brands, that instantly have to get all new motors after only a few hundred miles. Also, it easily has the most torque. All of my friends who bought specialized or trek bikes wish they got the Rocky because it makes their bikes feel slow. I often find myself peddling away from the rest of the pack of ebikes.

@jonlivingstone2122 5 ай бұрын

I’ve got the Altitude Powerplay and I love it. No issues with anything after 1 year of ownership. No overheating and no failures.

@StefsMTB Ай бұрын

Thank you for this review! I ended up buying the 2023 C7 and absolutely love it. I have a really put any upgrades because I really don’t think it needs it except I swapped out the handlebars for Trail 1 risers. Thank you for your honest reviews that a lot of us appreciate.

@approots 5 ай бұрын

With the current 35% off, the value is compelling.

@LoamRoamer 5 ай бұрын

I see in your review that it states only with Raceface cinch cranksets. While this was true before, North Shore Billet released a powerplay-specific crankset, so we can now run them and get cranks shorter than 165mm, and they are awesome! You can also run SRAM transmission. We just finished a build with 155mm cranks and Transmission, both work perfect.

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info!

@user-uv7zq1jg8c 5 ай бұрын

I've had the bike since 2022. Before purchasing, I tested it on the steep trails of the Italian Dolomites. As mentioned in the review, it felt like the bike hugged the ground and was quite forgiving. I also tried the Turbo Levo,( which you tested in the 2022 shootout alongside the Altitude as I can recall it), on the same trails. However, I found it less lively compared to the Instinct, which led me to purchase the latter. Like others, I've encountered issues; I had to replace the motor shortly after buying it. Subsequently, I sometimes received error 199, which seems to be a software rather than a hardware issue. I concur with those who praise its riding experience; it's one of the fastest bikes I've ever used. Even in the Alps, where I often tackle over 2000 meters of elevation and around 75km per ride, I've never had overheating issues.

@IronX77 5 ай бұрын

I've got two first gen Altitude powerplays. Replaced the torque sensor twice, motor once. Great bike, make sure you're in warranty.

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experiences.

@Jesse_James_ 5 ай бұрын

Cool reviews, really like it!

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

Thank you Jesse!

@sjaan7370 5 ай бұрын

Race Face, please make cranks for all RM PP bikes in sizes from 150mm - 160mm! Thank you kindly 🙏

@bfranco1519 4 ай бұрын

Drew loves chocolate bananas! He eats them and rides them. Haha! Drew, you might want to rethink that .

@NH-il6uc 5 ай бұрын

Smoking prices on the Rocky Mountain site now

@oettam20 5 ай бұрын

Great riding experience! Unfortunately, reliability is a letdown. In about 18 months of use, I've had the handlebar control replaced twice under warranty. Once the jumbotron, twice the clutch on the spider, and once the charger. As for overheating, it's not an isolated incident. If you climb for more than 10 minutes at full throttle, the motor overheats, and the jumbotron display shows a temperature above 75 degrees, and the power is reduced.

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, we’re curious… How many miles and what sort of conditions do you ride in?

@oettam20 5 ай бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf thank you. I ride on the Alps in Switzerland an Italy, mostly on steep rocky trails and all the problems happened in the first 1000 miles. I use the eMTB just on weekends epic ride. The rest of the week I use other acustic bikes.

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

OK thank you and awesome to hear your conditions and riding terrain/style. Have a good weekend.

@ZippidyMTB 5 ай бұрын

At least Northshore Billet makes 155mm cranks for these to negate some pedal strike.

@Mark-gq5vl 5 ай бұрын

I had an altitude pp last year. Great bike but the motor did overheat twice, also noticed that it wouldn’t get the same elevation as a levo. Battery is poor for 700hh imo. Also you really need to put in high effort to get the high power, which isn’t a bad thing..

@duanethompson2879 5 ай бұрын

Overheat alert doesn't change anything, power stays in play, you just clear the alert on the fly with a thumb button push. Seems the more you ride it and do the updates, it goes away after a while. A real shame of the hard $10k limit here, because the much better equipped suspension/components and bit more travel of the Altitude(c90) only adds like $1500 and it is definitely worth the few extra bucks. For sure you need 165 or even 160 cranks, along with low profile Spank Oozy type pedals and you quickly get used to the slackiness. Yes, I own a 2022 Altitude c90 Rally Edition I've ridden for a year.........and also a year into my newest love 2023 Crestline RS 75/50 EEB, which is in a whole nother category of bike!.....but still think the Altitude is a great bike and the undisputed climbing king!

@SwimmingBird846 5 ай бұрын

Reliability seems like the #1 concern for me on all these things, atm. Looking into getting one, and I'm horrified by how anti-consumer most of these motor and battery systems are. I have a Mottera SL on order because I loved the idea of the bike, but looking into what it would take to get a replacement battery from Taiwan, or to crack the motor open to replace anything makes me want to stay on my acoustic. Are there any repair friendly brands?

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

It’s a concern for sure, so robust warranty support is important. Anecdotally the Bosch system seems to have the least issues. But we still know some people who have needed replacements.

@carterschichtel9678 5 ай бұрын

From what i can gather, these are a Rocky Mountain motor and they are rebuildable

@FWCaptain-kv6sm 3 ай бұрын

dont buy a levo they dont carry replacement motors after 4 years your bike is a brick

@kyleslater5245 5 ай бұрын

I wondered if that eagerness to go would cause overheating… good to know… I’ve not really had any issues yet. For me the pedal strikes were not an issue as my other bike is a transition patrol… and it’s lower… and the bike before that was also bloody low so not really a change for me. I do have an altitude though not an instinct. I did of course switch travel to 166mm in the back immediately… no good reason to stay 160mm with a coil…

@CABEZAS50 5 ай бұрын

Hey guys when you get a chance test the 2024 Olympia hammer fresh from Italy with polini motor 120NM in my opinion in Europe They are two steps ahead than here in USA

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

Sounds interesting! We always love trying new stuff.

@SHREDD-ED 5 ай бұрын

Too many glitches on my altitude powerplay. You also forgot to mention the low bb and pedal strikes. But it can be helped with a bump on fork travel

@allenleclerc7878 5 ай бұрын

I love my 2022 power-play, but here in the Kootenays all the Rocky riders get overheating prompts all the time. It’s a shame because these bikes are great otherwise. My 2019 never overheated, but I had to replace the motor twice. Huge price to pay for the extra torque. In my opinion, don’t design a bike they can’t be ridden at 100%. Literally the only the emtb on the market that has this overheat issue. Brutal.

@SCGraniteStater 5 ай бұрын

I'm finding the same thing (2 week old Altitude Rally Edition owner) --- there's no way you can ride this bike to it's on-paper spec limit due to the overheating issues. I think if anyone ever did a 5K vert head to head climb w/ RM vs. other bikes it would be absolutley embarrising to RM. Actually I think 3K (900meter) vert test would show it's limitations vs. all other motor systems...

@allenleclerc7878 5 ай бұрын

@@SCGraniteStater absolutely. It occurs mainly on sustained climbs. It’s faster and has noticeably better power that the competitors but the fact they designed it with this limitation is such a drag.

@Sapojeb 19 күн бұрын

Looking for STL file 3D print plastic cover for motor left and right side. Because they are very fragile. Good bike though.

@TheKissarmygeneral 5 ай бұрын

Great bike . I've tried both and I don't see any point in getting the Instinct over the Altitude if it has a motor on it .

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

We somewhat agree. The instinct is a little more lively, but not by much.

@approots 5 ай бұрын

No reason except the current 35% off.

@AdventureAwaits4u 4 ай бұрын

Love riding my rocky mountain Instinct and murdering all other Ebikes on the climbs. Also worth noting I have 450 miles on the bike with almost all of those miles in ludicrous mode. It has never overheated and I average about 2k to 3k of climbing per ride. That being said, the system is a little more complex, so I expect extra maintenance costs over the bike's life.

@SCGraniteStater 5 ай бұрын

So i just bought the altitude powerplay last week (same motor) and while I agree it's far more powerful than other bikes I've ridden, I'm running into significant overheating issues that are worrisome to me. I know your test this year only had 4-500 vert but I'm noticing than this motor can't handle riding 5K vert on boost 0 / 100% power without tripping motor over-heat. If that's true (meaning my motor isn't somehow defective) I think buyers would want to know that detail b/c I know, for a fact (b/c I rode with them today) that Shimano, Bosch and Brose motors can all handle this ride with out needing to "power down" from turbo to not overheat. Loam Wolf is "all turbo all the time", as am I, so imagine my dismay when I buy a new top shelf EMTB only to learn it can't do what my 3 year old turbo levo can do easily (on the up)....

@SCGraniteStater 5 ай бұрын

and I'm being super diligent about riding at 80 RPMs or higher- which is harder but one of the reasons I bought the bike b/c I wanted a bit more fitness vs. the Levo.......as well as the much better descending capabilities.

@shager350z 2 ай бұрын

hey guys, I watched all your reviews on the Rocky Mountain powerplay bikes got say there the best out there!! I just purchased this bike to get back in shape, but also what to jump it being an ex-BMX guy. I'm looking for some input on how to setup the bike up, I'm a larger guy at 6'2 about 260 pounds. I having a hard time finding any videos on how to setup shocks to handle Heavy riders. I see a lot of people say you need to add volume reducers to help with the weight or use spring coil shocks. Do you have any suggestions? I just want to setup the bike so I'm not breaking it every time I try something stupid! :) I would really like to get back to 220 pounds by the way like Robert.

@TheLoamWolf 2 ай бұрын

Heck yeah that is great to hear! It’s a wicked bike. For the air shock it’s much easier to dial in. Measure between 25 and 30% sag, for you you may lean towards 25-27. Ride it a bit with some drops/jumps. If you’re hitting bottom hard add a t reducer. I tend to set a bike up to find bottom on the biggest hits and dial it back if I know it’s more of a trail focused ride. As for the coil, I would touch base with Rocky and see what they have to say, I do not recal if there is a coil chart on the product page. Maybe check out the forums to see if anyone has tried a progressive coil, that will help keep the small bump but give you the ramp up for bigger hits 🤘

@shager350z 2 ай бұрын

@@TheLoamWolf You guys Rock! Thanks so much for the help!!

@dukeandace2010 5 ай бұрын

Giant reign E? Please please. 🙏

@AC-ww6nf 5 ай бұрын

9K and no kashima, come on man.

@topchoice1621 5 ай бұрын

I really really like Rocky Mountain bikes but they dropped the ball with this one for 9k+ it should of been blinged out with foxs new gold suspension would of looked better

@iyot1020 2 ай бұрын

Got the a50 for 3 grand

@sheadleeful 5 ай бұрын

35% off at Rocky mountain

@ryannewland6290 3 ай бұрын

Just bought an A50 for 55% off, $3150 off of $7000, great deals on these bikes.

@JoshuaDomoslai 3 ай бұрын

where did you buy it?

@ryannewland6290 3 ай бұрын

@@JoshuaDomoslai Jenson USA

@NaZ-rs1dd 5 ай бұрын

Why does the primary commentator on this channel frequently provide justifications for manufacturers' shortcomings, who genuinely need to improve their performance with these pricey eMTBs? This colour is off and the bike doesn't feel all that grate to some of its competitors

@TheLoamWolf 5 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, all of our staff are entitled to their own opinions, and Drew genuinely loves this color. He doesn't love the bike, he admits it is good, but certainly not a favorite of his. However that doesn't mean he can't disagree on certain aspects of performance or looks from anyone else and possibly talk more about reasons why brands do things, not making excuses or saying it's ok, but just speaking from his experience in the industry for so long. Hope that helps clarify?