Transformers Discussions - God Ginrai? Wait, that's not Optimus Prime?!

The first upgrade that Optimus Prime got as a Powermaster was very well received. However, in Japan that was NOT Optimus Prime! It was Ginrai!
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[@Comkill117]

He looks like Optimus Prime, but due to interplanetary continuity laws he isn’t.

[@LordGalvatronYT]

Still we should cheer like her is Optimus Prime Even though he isn’t **Claps**

[@shady_the_one]

@@LordGalvatronYT YEAH!!!!!!!!

[@matthewreynoso6904]

LordGalvatron He*

[@StormtrooperDoge]

“Run it’s Godzilla”

[@Nagatem]

Optimus- as the earthlings say lay it on me man Ginrai- im you but a Japanese human trucker ( hilariously my wife is getting me the god ginrai with god bomber from legends for x mas XD)

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

You have to make video about this comment. (If you have a g1/ Masterpiece Optimus Prime toy)

[@Nagatem]

The Symbiote Nation. I actually have an original g1 optimus, the pop one, and the siege one and an oversized masterpiece one XD

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

@@Nagatem ok, then making a meeting between them is easy for you....

[@Nagatem]

The Symbiote Nation., naw COPA would destroy me

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

@@Nagatem ok

[@zhariffaizad1411]

For the sake of a solid G1 continuity, I have always believed Ginrai to be Optimus. Purist would disagree, but it is an exciting idea to prolong Prime's saga in the most interesting & bizzare way.

[@BLKBRDSR71]

After watching this video 19:17 - Me right now.

[@bobjuh]

Same here

[@marcorizo1387]

Same.

[@wonderwaffle93]

Been like that for years too haha

[@swigtimefoxy4422]

i can relate

[@DemonMage]

Under rated comment.

[@tigerbread78]

I think I'm now more confused than before I watched the vid

[@thebigbear2922]

Same here 💯💯💯💯

[@RodimusPrimal]

Basically, the Japanese continuity is kind of weird and confusing that they took a toy made to be Optimus Prime and made him a new character.

[@Magnus1718]

Most definitely lol

[@HAGZ0483]

Haha, yeah you just need the info from minute 8:30 to 10:20.

[@HAGZ0483]

@@RodimusPrimal You forgot to add the bonus info from the transtectors being stolen by Devil Z, kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKnYfqaqfMmpf6M

[@titanstudios2683]

Now that's just prime

[@redstreak1]

Spoken like a true Transfan :) Let's rollout!

[@emeraldmaster5388]

We’re already dealing with two let’s not make it three.

[@Lone_Cyberman_Productions]

@@redstreak1 Transfan?!?! 😂🤣

[@alphatrion100]

Why do you keep dying?

[@thesymbiotenation.4552]

Right...

[@SniffHeinkel]

So you're telling us that the consciousness of a transforming sentient machine being only took up 1.44 mb's of storage space? Thats kind of hard to believe.

[@namelessjedi2242]

Must have compressed it into a zip file.

[@ALT3REDB3AST]

Superior Cybertronian compression technology.

[@chrisb6079]

@@namelessjedi2242 I was just going to say - must have used Winzip but you beat me to it.

[@xeroabyssdclxvi2570]

They didn't have flashdrive tech back in 20XX. Cybertron ran on a Commodore II.

[@KJ-tz7vc]

Optimus has the computing power of a text adventure.

[@lo1bo2]

Thank you for acknowledging the forgotten G1 "season five". Even though the episodes were reruns, we got to hear Peter Cullen deliver new Optimus Prime lines. Always a plus in my book!

[@RodimusPrimal]

Agreed. I still would have wanted a real Season 4 and 5 but it was cool nonetheless.

[@JohnWJones]

@@RodimusPrimal Thank you!! Rebirth introduced the Target & Head Masters. They could have continued the series from there, along with bringing in the Power Masters and the Pretenders. If the Japanese could have continued it, so could Hasbro & Sunbow. Marvel even continued the story in comics.

[@The-kr9rb]

i want a giant optimus prime puppet

[@matthewreynoso6904]

RodimusPrimal Same!

[@optimusprime7046]

@@RodimusPrimal Want to know what I call Super and GOD ginrai?...

[@Traph]

Ginrai is like the Japanese Powermaster Not-Optimus Prime. Basically, a human in a mech suit that looks like Prime. Awesome vid!

[@OmegaEnvych]

And basically he lead to the creation of Brave Saga. I'm totally fine with it.

[@DrPhoenixJKZ]

The setting is the fusion of Ginrai and Optimus Prime transector makes an unexpected miracle, which produces a Godmaster with much more power than expected. And that might be true, as Super Ginrai can rival combiner already, and God Ginrai even defeats Overlord, which proves he has power over most of the combiners. So, I would say God Ginrai is an even more upgraded version of Powermaster Optimus Prime.

[@kirb2electric]

@@DrPhoenixJKZ while the transtector that ginrai controls was probably built as a memorial to the real Optimus prime

[@DrPhoenixJKZ]

@@kirb2electric According to official, it was actually supposed to be the new body used to revive Optimus Prime into Powermaster/Godmaster Optimus Prime. But, the introduction video also says the fusion between Ginrai and the transector produces much higher power than expected. While on the other hand, Powermaster Optmimus Prime does not have further upgraded version like God Ginrai.

[@giorgikiskeize]

Look big book of masterforce

[@wilsauls116]

I honestly love the story of Ginrai, but I also love the Rollar implications in the American timeline

[@TheVileOne]

This is why I love Transformers. All the interesting backstories.

[@AlexGarcia-ze4yg]

Yup Bayformers hadn't the good sense to use any of it.

[@magatetus]

"Well I think it's fate we met Optimus Prime." *facepalm* Me:🤣

[@Ryan-fl7tc]

How aren't these humans dieing cuz my legs cant even bend that way 😂

[@great159]

That's one reason why head/target/power/Godmasters is a 💩tty ideal.💯

[@spicy767]

It’s explained that the armor works as part of their bodies/their mind goes into the robot which is probably why they can’t feel the pain. US Headmasters are really stupid, Japan handled it better with them being the same guy

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

As I understood it, its not really their legs anymore, they have been made into cyborgs and their original legs are gone. Of course, amputation is bit too much for childrens show and in the comics they could take it off like a suit just to, "no-no, their legs have certainly not been sawed off, see, its just a suit, see? No cutting and removal of limbs here, no sirree!"

[@d.aardent9382]

@@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681 geeeez, i never took time to read up on what that was all about as i kind of lost interest in following the stories after high school times, and getting into other genres and more serious Animes. That was around the time Toonami came out and we had G4 gaming tvchannel and they played a lot of anime stuff for awhile. The Headmasters thing gets pretty dark it seems. Lol i didnt know it was so creepy. I just always thought it just another cutesy gimmick to sell new and more toys.

[@ribbitgoesthedoglastnamehe4681]

@@d.aardent9382 It IS a gimmick to sell toys. :-) But consider this: a Headmaster is a dead Transformer, a fully functioning mechanical robot with memory and personality stored in its datacore, but no Spark. No soul, no motivation. Fully functional but braindead corpse. No repair can put it back. Its still strong beyond human comprehension, with targeting and combat reactions honed for thousand years, and knowledge and information, but without life it will just stand there and rust. Add a human brain and you have a fully functioning robo-frankenstein. Of course you cant pilot it with a joystick, or access the memories. You need direct interface, so you need a datajack in your skull. You cant have a cockpit, so you just have to fit there somewhere, as well as be capable of leaving. You need some bending, so the legs at least have to go. And you need some lifesupport systems to survive outer space and what without extra suits. So a lot of the squishy bits need to be... upgraded at least. Of course you have be able to survive more than just space. Punches, even direct shots have to be resisted to a large degree, thats why your brain goes into the safety of the torso. The rest is.. largely metal. How you are situated is not a big thing. Artificial bloodpressure, no limbs to develop clots in veins, you only breath for psychological reasons. Your consciousness is the robot, so how your brain is situated does not matter. You might still have skin, like Terminator. But you are way more robot than human. Its not necessarily horrible. Theres no discomfort, you get to be a giant robot and see space. You can have relatives and since the lusty bits are... gelded, there are much less needs for things you cant have anymore. Its possible you will live an unnaturalky short life, as you are an active combatant, but you might live very long too with no weak human hearts failing or so. Its dark horror, or not, depending on how you look at it. In some situations, I would do it gladly. Adventure, chance to help my people, the companionship of warriors, and never ever having back or joint pains. Its not a bad deal. And yes, these were things I already thought as a kid. Also, how MASK HQ could be destroyed easy from the top of the cliff, or what kind of algorithm could choose the best pilots for the job without actual precognition. Or how Knight Rider had bullet proof paint, but the windows were not painted. Or how would Streethawk handle tyre friction at turns at 200mph, or what would be the effects of changes in pilot center of gravity changing, or trying to remotely control a "urban attack motorcycle" with modem speeds taking minutes to transfer a single picture to the central computer, or sudden loss of connection in a tunnel going 300mph in a wrong lane. I was a weird kid. :-D

[@lonedragon3261]

Watch out, kid! That's not the real Optimus! Look at those red hands!!

[@wonderwaffle93]

Personally I like both. It’s interesting to see practically the same character handled differently with their own spin. Plus no matter which continuity you go with, he sure looks cool as heck

[@springy5082]

Agreed

[@EnergonVlada]

Star Convoy Because Roller actually had a character developement and Optimus got to live through that version of the show till the end :(

[@RogueTwo]

I never really thought of it as a one or another situation. I try to reconcile the Japanese G1 continuity with the American continuity as best I can in the same way Beast Wars did the cartoon and comic book continuity. Ginrai certainly existed in the same way as Metalhawk and Star Saber, active as commanders of the Autobot forces on Earth while the bulk of the war had moved back into space. Ginrai had become a fully sentient Transformer and been separated from his human pilot and had eventually been destroyed and rebuilt into Victory Leo. But with all the Optimus Prime toys that the Prime Wars Trilogy have us, I've occasionally toyed with the idea of taking one and making it Ginrai, perhaps rebuilt as a combiner, or with the human Ginrai returning as a Headmaster partner. But I've never gone thru with it. But with every new Optimus becoming my default, well, the old Optimus Primes are getting quite numerous. Lol.

[@ninjadanny628]

Since you did a character from Japan. Maybe you should do a discussion on Star Saber and his names different uses.

[@Jetblast01]

Star Saber!? Best Autobot leader and robodad?

[@Noaher256]

One minute, he’s a Cybertronian leader with an adopted human son, and the next minute, he’s Optimus’ sword that gets shattered in half

[@cheafmin1399]

I always thought he was just the sword, never saw the other versions

[@victorysaber1608]

Star saber the best autobot in the universe could be combiners solo. But man once you put optimus prime with him and made victory saber. It was magical. Notice the profile pic...

[@backtothefutureman1]

He inspired Wing Saber from Energon but he looked different in the sequel show, which was my first transformers tv show as well as my favorite transformers tv show and it was called Cybertron.

[@legoawcstopmotioner9435]

So that's where his jetwings came from! I had no idea!

[@thebigbear2922]

BRO I WAS JUST THINKING THAT: ULTRA MAGNUS : DID U GET YOUR QUESTIONS ANSWERED ??? OPTIMUS PRIME: YES AND EVERY ANSWER LEAD TO A BIGGER QUESTION !!! AWESOME VIDEO PRIMAL 💯💯💯💯

[@DeconvertedMan]

"You know how to please me don't you?" is the stuff of nightmares! XD

[@jase7474]

I loved both they have been at the top of my list behind Fortress Maximus. I had the toy for Powermaster Prime and went by the comic book and commercials during that time as far as this version of Prime. When I first heard of the continuation they did in Japan I still called him Powermaster Prime just because I didn't know or see the Goldbomber deal with the toy and series. It wasn't until my interest peaked and I looked up the info on the Japanese continuations, through Zone, that I fully understood how different they are. Ever since I have considered them by their respective character names. It is good they gave Ginrai a little bit of a tweak on his features to make him a little different than Prime, even if it was meant to be an upgrade for Prime. To me it is great we got both one from the comeback in the comic book with Powermaster Optimus Prime. The other I like how they did it in Masterforce being a upgrade for Prime but found by Ginrai since he did die the second time in Headmasters. It was just cool to me to see another leader, even if the look was "Prime", instead of just bringing Optimus back again in Masterforce. With the other series, like Bumblebee losing his voice and the Megatron/Galvatron routine (especially when it was just a color change ugh) , Prime dying and coming back has gotten stale with me.

[@williambrown6185]

As a kid I always wondered why we didn’t get more G1 transformers. No clue that the different versions from each country would take a divergent path. I love the G1 continuity and which is also why I loved Beast Wars so much. As a Star Trek fan I live continuity in all my geek shows lol. What I can’t get over is the use of the word god in Japan: it’s like God Gundam in Japan being Burning Gundam in the US. Sometimes I think we’re more imaginative here. Sometimes lol.

[@Vincent-396]

Great job on this video, but holy cow is my head spinning! I will just stick with my G1 continuity, and call it a day. That’s all I really care about. It is interesting to see other versions from around the world. Thanks. Keep up the good work.

[@Slith3rdLegion]

"Even if you destroy me Megatron--others will rise to defeat your tyranny!" And lo and behold, Optimus was right or just self aware at this point.

[@NepetasShippingWall1642]

Deluded Dimdoul i'm going with both

[@jimbodeek]

"Then I'll just have to destroy you all!"

[@titanstudios2683]

Megatron: Ah I wouldn't wait an eternity for this it's over prime Optimus prime: Well I don't think so (whole piece of Metal coming to Optimus Prime) (Combine) Megatron: What the Optimus prime: Megatron be gone (Shoot) Megatron: Oh cra- (boom) 😲

[@michaelalameda2002]

Optimus Prime: *_NEVER!!!_* (knocking Megatron out of Autobot City)

[@matthewreynoso6904]

Sounds like the scene from Transformers Prime when Optimus changed back from his Orion Pax state.

[@scripted_valor]

it'd be cool to see Ginri and Prime being separate characters who work as alleys. in the Transformers animated movie the Autobots had a human alley who wore a transforming battle suit that he passed onto his son to defeat unicron.

[@KamenRiderSeiryuXV0]

Powermaster Optimus: Agh! Here we go again, I'm dead once more! Ginrai: Am I joke to you? Your Transtector still alive with me. Thanks to Takara, I'm still fine. Powermaster Optimus: Why? Ginrai: I'm a Japanese truck deliverer, Convoy-san! Chromedome (The Headmasters): Yeah! Star Saber: Indeed too.

[@disneyboy3030]

I think I might have an idea.

[@Kusanagikaiser999]

I grow up with the G1 show and then came the Power masters series, in the Spanish Latin American version God Ginrai was also named Optimus XD, so I assume it was him all along until the internet came. I personally love God Ginrai design, love that his legacy influence some of the upgrade designs of Optimus in several series even the Bay films, I would love to see the Godbomber in a modern cartoon as an upgrade for Optimus, I love the white and dark blue theme and the chest design was so cool and still is, I will love to see a show that re capture that for Optimus.

[@RodimusPrimal]

I agree with the design being cool. I prefer it to being an upgrade for Optimus Prime than a separate character, but I'm okay with it in Japanese continuity.

[@therealtripler8629]

in order to justify having a version of pm optimus prime in my CHUG collection, I prefer him as Genrai. but I generally only keep one version of a given character.

[@RodimusPrimal]

I plan on getting God Ginrai and just calling it Powermaster Optimus Prime.

[@therealtripler8629]

@@RodimusPrimal I'm planning on getting the earthrise prime for optimus prime and getting god genrai to occupy the genrai spot on my shelf

[@Nagatem]

RodimusPrimal, but it’s better then power master optimus in the titans return version The hasbro mold was way more hollow and looks cheaper while god ginrai filled in the hollow arms and made it look much prettier

[@therealtripler8629]

@@Nagatem it looks even better once you add the perfect effect upgrades

[@transformersfan-zx8ow]

@@RodimusPrimal RodimusPrimal 9:17 me while and after watching the video Rodimus Primal: did you get your questions answered Me: Yes and every answer led to a bigger question

[@det.bullock4461]

In Italy until the 90s they had changed the name of Optimus Prime to "Commander" (not "Commander Convoy" just "Commander", Rodimus Prime was renamed "Captain") and when they brought the Super God Masterforce anime they of course renamed Ginrai "Commander" as well, probably because the toy had already come out with the name Commander on the box by the time they dubbed the anime.

[@jamcalx]

Dang! That Tommy kid got flips!

[@RodimusPrimal]

He's got the Touch!

[@cuppajj]

He’s got the powaaaaaa

[@xeroabyssdclxvi2570]

JamCal-X Looks like the oldest kid from "Home Improvement", with a faked british accent by a New Zealander.

[@someone0]

@@RodimusPrimal HE'S GOT THE POWEEEER

[@KatosKollection]

Excellent job breaking down what is a very confusing continuity 🤘😁🤘

[@music-jj2pl]

the headmasters and target masters always freaked me out. Its like their bodies were always being discombobulated and placed in the most tortuous positions. BUT still kept alive. how horrific.

[@curbydinobot8633]

I loved the comics I used to have all of them from the original series. The fact that the story was different is why I liked reading them, it was like an alternate universe from the tv show

[@DeconvertedMan]

Dreadwing was cool! I enjoyed those two toys a lot, back in the day!

[@UToobUsername01]

Thanks for all this lore dump. I never watched the japanese stuff but admired the different path the stories took. The problem with japan taking over story is it kind of feels like a generic robot show in japan of which there are many so none of what goes on in their version actually sticks out. In american story telling you can have characters joke, talk about mature topics and act like real people you know or met in real life and that is the element that was missing from the Bay formers movies which are presented as popcorn action flicks. I hope they combine the big blockbuster action scenes of the baymovies with more Transformers Bumblebee type character building in future live action movies. (just don't let Michael bay touch any of the close up action scenes or nobody will be able to tell what the hell is going on in a scene) When characters die or almost get taken out, you should feel an emotional connection because of the investment to build up the characters right? You don't get that from generic action movie or japanese cartoon where its just to sell you new version of an old toy. That is common in robot shows to expect the main character to die about halfway through the season just so they can come back with a new form and get kids buying the upgraded character. And when you make thing formulaic enough time it becomes boring. American comics don't do that too much. For example Iron Man like Batman has lots of different suits, but does ironman not hold all the same personality when out of the suit walking about as a civilian and not saving the world? Of course he does. So we care if he dies in a battle because the character is built up in the story. You should feel something if characters do things that alter the story in major ways. That is why people like the american values and morals and principles of the US toon more. It's less generic robot show and actually feels like people doing heroic things for each other not just punching kicking and killing bad guy only. It's possible to have both but a cartoon needs to give us a reason to care about each character not just be and ad for the next toy. Optimus dying affected us because he was leader of the autobots and that made kids miss him. When Jazz died in the first Bayformers live action movie, did you hear about people getting angry? Nope. Because they didn't flesh out each person as unique characters with personalities. He's like a generic soldier in the background of a war movie.

[@MarchingsportHD]

Great video man. This has definitely got me wanting to go back and watch the Headmasters series.

[@notrod0918]

@@chaossonic1237 It was literally the circle of friendship

[@loviehawkins4861]

I want to what it.

[@disneyboy3030]

@@notrod0918 well it was one of three known versions of the Head Formation. The other two allow them to swap transtectors and make them a spinning wheel attack.

[@maybetoby]

Powermaster Optimus holds a special place in my heart. The TRU rerelease was the first G1 toy I ever bought, and Optimus had been a Powermaster for a while in the first Marvel reprint I ever bought (All Fall Down by Titan Books). As you know, I'm a G1 Marvel Comics purist, so he's Powermaster Optimus Prime to me lol Ugh, don't get me started on turning Ginrai into a lion...

[@RodimusPrimal]

When I was a kid, I really wanted an episode explaining how he became a Powermaster, not knowing they stopped making episodes. Getting the comic was a little confusing because I didn't know they weren't connected.

[@maybetoby]

@@RodimusPrimal yeah, the comic can be confusing if you don't know that it was a separate continuity.

[@maybetoby]

@@RodimusPrimal do you plan on doing a video on Star Convoy? Instead of making POTP Optimus into Star Convoy, he should've been Powermaster Optimus since his transforming cab combines with the trailer.

[@crustypaladin]

“You know how to please me” Jesus Christ these dubs lmfao

[@RodimusPrimal]

LMAO. I had to use that one. Great one for the "NOT DIRECTED AT KIDS" content!

[@deadpilled2942]

RodimusPrimal does that particular transformer have to go door to door or Cybertron letting his neighbors know he’s on a special offenders list?

[@KardboardKenny]

if this vid doesn't prove that TF aren't for kids, nothing will. God bless you, Good Sir. My brain just melted, ran out my ear and then down the drain. i guess i'll have to watch it at least 3 more times to get it. i'm old... :(

[@nicholaspeberdy8537]

As you know Rodimus the 2001 RID series was the first TF series to have Optimus as a fire truck.

[@matthewreynoso6904]

Yes it is!

[@matthewreynoso6904]

Animated and Cybertron I thought were cooler though.

[@rastamanprime2344]

I like how he draws references from all the versions of TF.. there is surely more than meets the eye with this guy

[@anothermonkey5871]

Fun Fact: Star Convoy came with a Micromaster version of Hot Rod and a new version of Roller (named Micro Carrier) that combined with Star Convoy to complete his vehicle and base modes.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Cool facts indeed! Till all are one!

[@anothermonkey5871]

Another Fun Fact: Titans Return Apex was actually a new version of Hi-Q.

[@petertheojolynjansen3659]

A trending theme in transformers is that the preexisting autobot leader dies at the hands of a new decepticon leader.

[@iplaygamesnowyep2715]

This turned from transformers to Voltron extremely quickly

[@depreciatednull]

*power rangers

[@AC-gb7do]

Was there ever a “dead” all gray figure version of Prime produced?

[@prowlus]

A C yep mp.convoy sleep mode

[@CyborgNS6NL]

This is very interesting, I have to watch this at least 4 more times.

[@turtleshock7513]

Both are unique to me and fans of the franchise in general

[@broncolen]

Wow as a fan of Optimus Prime, that was damn good. Thank you. You did a lot of research on this one.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks! I spent HOURS getting all of the info together.

[@broncolen]

I can tell. Thanks. And I forgot to add in Happy Birthday. If your wife got you a Rodimus Prime Cake. You must share it on Instagram.

[@ajh22895]

Masterforce was my first Transformers series. They had it at the local DVD store. Although, the funny thing is it switched to dub in the last disc which was quite jarring.

[@marvinonstage]

That personality shift and style of leadership I always thought made for an interesting discussion

[@jiryensaber6090]

(Me in 1986) Autobots are the good guys. Every kid wants to be like the iconic Optimus Prime!! He can even come back from the dead!! (Me in 2019) 11:33 Decepticon "Breast Force"? They have a Breast Force now? Hell, screw the good guys, sign me up for that shizzle right now! (LOL)

[@shawnfulkrod3554]

2001 Robots in Disguise Optimus prime, had him and ultra magnus

[@superroboted]

First time I saw Super God Masterforce was in 1996. While in college I hung out in an anime club and two of the people in the club I became friends with two of the guys in the club, Anthony and Jaimy. Jaimy lived in Japan in the early 80's. He went to college in Charleston because his dad was stationed at the AFB in N. Charleston. Since he knew eventually he would have to move back to the States he recorded loads of anime and tokahatsu on VHS of course. We saw lots of anime never seen in the States or at Blockbuster, who in the 90s had that "Japanamation" section. We used to brag about how much we knew about Transformers and one day Jaimy said "I got something to show you"...I'm like "huh"? Well he brought a box of tapes to Anthony's dorm and Jaimy said to him, "Should we show them?", Anthony was like, "I dunno, they will have questions", so we were like yeah we cool we can handle it. Thinking it as hentai it was not what we thought it was Optimus Prime -- so it seemed. We were like "oh shit?!?", thats Powermaster Prime, then they pause the tape and Jaimy says, "thats not Prime", and we were like "yes that is". Then he proceded to show us the rest and we saw he combined with another trailer and that's when we were like OMG what the hell just happened...mind blown, mouths open, eyes wide, me and my other friend kept pointing at the screen. After that Jaimy exclaimed, "this is God Ginrai and not Prime because Prime is officially dead." After that me and my friend Ricardo began our journey into acquiring as much info, episodes, and toys we could find thru eBay and stumbled on proxy sites back in the late 90's. We had shown people scores of episodes we got once Ricardo had joined the Air Force in 1997. He would send back tapes and toys he got from the flea market in Jacksonville Fl. We also leared about GoBots and it's Japanese counter part, Machine Robo Revenge of Chronos. I have crazy knowledge on Japanese Transformers and Gobots. Hit me up anytime.

[@BegsYourPardon]

Same. I think the exact same time period way back when it was VHS OR going on iaconhub and finding episodes and info over T1 lines. Transformers is one of those franchises or just things that had a wealth of info on the internet for the time so it was kind of easy if you put in the work. Same went for other 80s properties: MotU, Voltron, Dragon Ball (yes this is 80s/90s), etc.

[@matthewreynoso6904]

You always help answer the most complicated questions about Transformers with the most complicated answers!

[@frankforttheorangee2produc110]

The upgrades they gave optimus prime were the most popular and the most powerful

[@SardoNumspa82]

Yeah this is a tough topic to explain to anyone who's never seen the Japanese continuity. But I personally believe you did wonderfully.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks! I like the idea that Ginrai is Optimus Prime's second Powermaster partner, but I accept the Japanese series as its own thing and both are enjoyable.

[@Zinontoysandhandmadeconstructs]

Great powermaster Optimus!!Thank you for the video my friend!

[@MikeyMUnited]

I still remember getting Powermaster Optimus Prime in 88 and being really excited when the VHS "Return of Optimus Prime" came out - was so disappointed he didn't return in that form. Now I know why.

[@unstoppableExodia]

As much as I enjoyed the Rebirth finale as it ended with world peace it did leave me wanting to see more. Which is why I kinda like that the Takara G1 continuity had the headmasters as smaller cybertronians rather than organic beings picturing humanoids in exosuits that transform into weapons* the Takara continuity started to get pretty wild and I would have preferred Hasbro been more involved with giving us outside Japan a full length season 4 plus subsequent seasons. I remember reading about the Japanese G1 continuity on Wikipedia many years ago (well before KZbin was big) and after headmasters it was hard to follow as there were all these new characters with radically different naming styles and stories took on a much different tone from what had been established in the Hasbro continuity. That said there is a lot to like about the Takara G1 continuity and I've seen some fan dubs that use music from the Hasbro series that are amazing and manage to feel like proper G1 episodes that are completely new to me. It was awesome * picturing humanoids in exosuits that transform into weapons is kinda horrific when you think of the way their bodies would have to contort if it weren't for convenient mass shifting that appears to shrink the humanoid inside to be able to be comfortably seated in a cockpit. Well unless we are to believe that the exosuit has remarkably intricate transformation mechanisms that allow it to expand around the humanoid inside it and form panels of a head and a cockpit inside for the organic being inside. It requires a greater suspension of disbelief from me than the Japanese version which side steps that entirely.

[@rickyrackey7930]

Idea. A modern continuation of Generation 1 that includes Power Master Optimus Prime, The Fallen, Micromasters, and a lot more autobots and decepticons dying. Maybe Optimus and Megatron (Galvatron) have one more final battle.

[@unstoppableExodia]

@@rickyrackey7930 I’m totally on board with all of that except for the fallen. I wouldn’t want anything from the Michael bay movies in a G1 continuation. Not the fallen or the all-spark. Heck I only watched the cartoon growing up therefore the comics were very alien to me. So if I was helming such a project I’d reject concepts from the comics that contradict lore from the cartoon such as primus.

[@rickyrackey7930]

@@unstoppableExodia Oh and Dion became a Decepticon

[@nicholasdickens2801]

A great start to December! Thank you RodimusPrimal!

[@TommyandTheGuineaPigCollective]

Very nice backstory not only for U.S. versions but Japanese versions as well. Awesome job Rodimus till all are one.

[@ToyKennections]

Thank you for this! I am rewatching Super-God Masterforce these days and videos like this help a lot.

[@suprasport9118]

Masterforce God Ginrai, super God Master Power Master Ginrai, Apex Armor God Bomber Super power Master Optimus Prime! Hi Q, Roller! Geez!!! Absolutely Incredible! Thank you for the Upload!♥️

[@purextreme5460]

Im 40+ old and grew up watching the the og transformers and let me tell you there is nothing like it to me it was the best in the series. 👍

[@amdphone2750]

Me too 😅

[@Kaido_928]

Me too😊

[@gabrielmccreaii431]

Thanks for this video. I'm going to order the LGEX god Ginrai set. I'm on the beginnings of making a Transformers story, using the figures i have (just for fun), and this helps me out a lot.

[@VAULT-TEC_INC.]

Fantastic history! Very interesting. Love how you bring in the comics, commercials and even fan/con toys and comics for a complete history.

[@APlatypus]

Makes you wonder if, in an alternative timeline, we got Powermaster *Rodimus Prime*

[@jermellpeterson3441]

What's a bigger power up than the matrix of leadership? No point to the upgrades.

[@APlatypus]

@@jermellpeterson3441 yet optimus became a Powermaster

[@jermellpeterson3441]

@@APlatypus the matrix blew up a planet and healed the universe from an alien plague.

[@APlatypus]

@@jermellpeterson3441 it blew up unicron, a dark god who takes the alternate mode of a planet

[@justinmohan7103]

This is so awesome. Clears a lot of stuff up

[@felicity4711]

I like the Omni dubs! They’re silly but that’s part of the charm. And it’s nice to have an English dub of the 1980s Japanese series. ☺

[@0megacron]

I cannot be confused. I refuse to be confused! I... WILL... NOT... BE... CONFUSED!!!

[@smokeyoreo1825]

Happy birthday rodimus!

[@RodimusPrimal]

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[@RoTenken]

Knowing of these stories now feels like I was cheated a bit off my childhood.

[@unclebrian8156]

This was very fun to watch, I've never seen the japanese version of the original transformers so this was interesting to find out so much about Optimus Prime & his background. I can't wait for more retrospectives especially on the Boss Monkey when that happens. I've only followed Optimus Prime & the US transformer storyline.

[@Cassette-Cryptid]

Who's hyped for the MP and MPG Ginrai s? I certainly am

[@p.s6742]

2:25 I have this toy in the attic.

[@damn0knight]

i remember having that one, but my toys fought like their animated counterparts. none of them survived.

[@sentairidertf2179]

Great video rodimus. I was puzzled and didn't fully understand about the power master technology and why their nebulan partners are needed to transform them. But, thanks to your vid, I now understand. Especially understanding about the hazardous fuel to cybertronians from earth.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks. Hi-Q stated that they poisoned the fuel on Nebulos making it hazardous to Cybertronians. Becoming Powermasters save their lives.

[@sentairidertf2179]

@@RodimusPrimal and now I fully understand it. I have the uncleon quest super convoy. But has minor damage. Also the rerelease of god ginrai as power master optimus prime with apex armor was my first g1 and first transformers toy I ever had when I was a child.

[@sentairidertf2179]

@@RodimusPrimal this is my most favorite episode on your channel. 🥇🎖

[@2007suprasport]

I watch this video at least once a day. Definitely you are the Authority when it comes to Transformers history, mythology and autobiography of these characters. Absolutely great video! Thank you for these wonderful uploads. 💯♥️🙏

[@constantindolotow6522]

Interesting fact: The translation from Omni Production not only spoiled all the Japanese series in England and China, but also in Russia, together with STS. Thanks to this translation and the series, one Russian writer LEONID KUDRYAVTSEV wrote down five books about TRANSFORMERS. And these works were the continuation of SUPER-GOD MASTERFORCE. But no one knew that such works were in the 90s, but the names of the characters were called not as in OMNI, but in their native language. And that's why, no one else published these books, because these readings were unofficial and did not belong to HASBRO and TAKARA.

[@connerfromsubway4921]

Another great video, very informative

[@omegaus817]

Two awesome music ( 2:14 ) and ( 2:45 ) I agree I listen to the English to Japanese I get confuse a lot I go with both when Optimus Prime just his normal self and then Powermaster Optimus Prime then Convoy to Jin to God Ginral and to Star Convoy he just to powerful Autobot leader ever. Thank you for the video. #RodimusPrimal #Transformers #Autobot #OptimusPrime

[@omegaus817]

In Transformers Robot in Disguise 2001 when Optimus Prime and his brother Ultra Magnus combine as Omega Prime their combine mod look like little a bit of a apex armor and in Transformers Cyberverse power of the AllSpark senson 2 he use a jet as his Spark armor it kind of like his apex armor and a bit of his movie version of Transformers Dark of the Moon. So that why you didn't put Omega Prime in your video because he doesn't count as God Ginral and Apex armor too.

[@billlumburg7594]

This was very detailed and informative, thank you 👍🏽

[@vxrdrummer]

I love the OMNI Dubs. If you don't want to have to read through the subtitles and want a less intense watch, then they are fine. Yes they are a bit dodgy, but sometimes it is just easier to watch the Dubs.

[@coolsunsgoldenclassics]

There's a guy on here called Magnus afterdark who has a slightly different version of the Omni dubs on here and they look and sound a little higher quality.

[@rorylumley4727]

God bomer being an upgraded roller. I like roller and him not getting ressuected with optimus prime made me a little sad. A viedo on how alive roller is might be intresting. While all the toy bios describe him as a mindless drone but the cartoon implies he has some intellgence and idpendence.

[@cyberdude274]

finally one sort of optimus prime video

[@christopherlacher3544]

Good video. Puts clarity on alot of timelines.

[@MedskiPurnamski]

I grew up with the dubbed Japanese version, not knowing the US continuity until very much later. One thing I love about it is that they always use these elaborate transformation sequences instead of the quick sequences they usually get in the US shows. The anime just use the same sequences over and over again every episode but it never gets old.

[@bobjuh]

For me there is just the G1 cartoon

[@great159]

When you have the BEST to hell with the REST!💯👍🏻

[@greateyeball970]

Prime?

[@The_Gorn]

#Truth

[@levioliveira3236]

Powermaster Optimus Prime Rebuilt as a Powermaster and Roller becomes Apex Bomber when Ginrai takes over for Hi-Q.

[@matthewreynoso6904]

Same

[@MCDJACDC]

I have to say I like both, to combine some of the aspects of both makes for an interesting story line. However you are correct, the US voice overs for the Japanese TF cartoon continuance series was to me hilarious.

[@adamxue6096]

PS: Zodiac is a reference to TF Zone, where that thing gave rise to Zone mode, making Dai Atlas one of the only Quad-Changers, maybe even the only one.

[@g1optimusprime401]

Another nice review and happy birthday rodimus

[@standardprotocolformat6090]

9:56 I....................................Cant DIE !!!

[@victorysaber1608]

They kinda are the same thing. In masterforce they separated him by making him run by human. But by time victory came out they were basically the same. And after remade to victory leo, they made victory saber.

[@sgt.bumblbeer]

Hi don't know that many content from the TF universe and you fix that so lovely. Thanks

[@bumblebricks3669]

I liked the fact he wasn't Optimus Prime. Is like... Very different and Interesting. I like Ginrai, he was a cool character. Awesome video pal

[@RodimusPrimal]

Thanks. I like Ginrai as well but I follow the US continuity. In my head canon, Ginrai replaces Hi-Q when Optimus has Roller upgraded into Apex Bomber.

[@bumblebricks3669]

@@RodimusPrimal Awesome !

[@bumblebricks3669]

Personally, I think Ginrai would make a good role in a TF American series. What do you think ?

[@bumblebricks3669]

And hey man, happy birthday !

[@Optimaloptimus]

Bumblebricks ! Is it a serie simply about Optimus and Ginrai going cross country delivering goods? If so, I would pay to watch that.

[@zetaandnazboojunkie]

Great video. I have the TRU PM Optimus Prime reissue from 2003 and Takara's Legends LG-EX God Ginrai set and they are both great figures. I also bought all of the Perfect Effect upgrade kits for the Takara figure, which gave Ginrai a transformable truck cab and Godmaster engine and a bunch of other upgrades. I did get PM Optimus back in 1988 but it broke, which is why I have the reissue instead.

[@RodimusPrimal]

Nice. I really want that EX God Ginrai. It looks awesome. I still have my original Powermaster Optimus Prime.

[@ig33ku]

If we are gonna give props origins of Optimus add-on like Roller then Optimus was given a flight booster backpack in G1 too. That is one hell of a Meme right there. 18:11

[@flameduelist81]

That was in-depth, great job