Abortion Ruling: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)

[@AdelaAlonsoAlonso]

I am from Spain, which is a deeply catholic country. So much so, that the great majority of our sayings and our national holidays have to do with religion - almost 70% of children are baptized. Still, most people do understand that faith is a personal issue and not one of law. Sex Ed is mandatory in every school (public or private), contraceptives are easily and affordably available, and women can get safe abortions at public hospitals and clinics. In order to promote people having more children what our country tries to do is make it less of a burden for couples to have children - maternity/paternity leave, tax breaks for families with children and single parents, heavy discounts for "numerous families", free healthcare and education.

[@PaleoalexPicturesLtd]

Spain is just your average "zombie Catholic" secularized western European country where Catholicism has lost all cultural influence and people go through the motions out of tradition. Sunday worship attendance rates are abysmal. Plus your family aid program is the weakest in the whole of Western Europe.

[@easternlights3155]

Yeah, that's because Spain is a civilized country, unlike a certain US of A.

[@granudisimo]

Lol I wish that was part of the "Marca España" meme, but I guess that self hating "facho-cuñaos" will continue to exaggerate our problems to play the eternal victim card and ignore the good things we have. No pasarán.

[@umbra9273]

Humble brag much? Lol

[@Yukosan13]

Honestly, that's how it should be.. but in the southern US states. Even proper sex Education isn't allowed, getting the pill is like jumping thru fire, and mostly very young children end up pregnant (that's why MTV that that teen mom show for soo long) it's too common.. to the point that I often see young mothers becoming real murders.. of their own children 😥 they blame it on stress and no support.. but men here will threaten the mother who tries to collect child support and yet complain why their girlfriends don't have enough sex with them.. 😮‍💨 it's way better to be a lesbian in the US than a straight girl

[@catness1809]

Things that will reduce abortion: -Access to contraception -Comprehensive sex ed courses -Universal healthcare -Universal childcare -A living wage -Guaranteed family leave Things that will not reduce abortion: -Abortion bans

[@joshitheyoshi2533]

Contraception is already dirt-cheap and often free. Even surgical procedures like IUDs are often free under most insurance plans. Sex-Ed is so prevalent that we have teachers teaching kindergarteners and 1st graders the different kinds of sexual identities. As for economic improvements like cheaper healthcare, free childcare, higher wages - everything is better when people become richer - that's not an abortion-specific issue. What will reduce abortion: cultural shift in personal sexual responsibility. A majority of people outside of marriage only report using condoms "sometimes". Meanwhile apps like Tinder have increased casual sex outside of relationships, especially among women, ten-fold. It doesn't take a scientist to realize the end result is unwanted pregnancies that people want to deal with by killing a baby.

[@catness1809]

@@joshitheyoshi2533 when i tried to get a prescription for birth control, it took me 8 months to book one. Sex ed is rarely taught before middle school, despite the fact my best friend got her period in fourth grade. Most people who seek abortions already have children and simply cannot afford another, so yes, the cost-related issues are a major factor here. Sex outside of relationships has existed for most of human history. The difference then was that children were raised communally by the entire village; the rise of the nuclear family destroyed that support system. Now all the responsibility falls to two or even just one parent. Sometimes, that burden is impossible to bear, and rather than choose a life of poverty for themselves and their child or children, they choose to end the developement of a cluster of cells via a safe medical procedure. The only thing banning abortions will is make that procedure extremely dangerous.

[@dmais95]

How about both? with the edition of abortion (almost) bans?

[@catness1809]

@@dmais95 im not sure what your question here is. Can you phrase it differently?

[@huntersw2]

@@joshitheyoshi2533 and which side is mentioning going after contraceptives?

[@milkteamachine]

Trying to make abortion as close to impossible as they can while providing no paternity leave and no affordable health care is so insidious I can't even wrap my head around it

[@nobodyspecial4702]

Don't forget, the people who are the loudest in support of banning abortion are also the loudest for reducing welfare and how it should be up to the mother to care for their children on their own.

[@RubyRose23328]

@@rogerdildeau7507 The Healthcare requirements today were nothing like they were in 1972

[@mastershake156]

Just imagine being responsible for one self and not depending on government for ones troubles. Oh and saving lives while doing it.

[@Meowblivion]

@@rogerdildeau7507 the 60s were terrible and the baby boom was ongoing

[@ricardobarahona3939]

Cost of living is much more unaffordable than it was in 1972. Plus there was much more income equity then than now.

[@ScizGraffiti]

"Freedoms are never guaranteed. They are hard won and easily lost"

[@conniethesconnie]

That is why the best way is often the toughest. Get the most ironclad protection possible. Add an amendment and change the Constitution.

[@evidenceincreation9520]

Science is conclusive to say that an individual, unique human life begins at fertilization. Therefore, abortion is murder.

[@KeilyShhh]

@@conniethesconnie Yerp. So true

[@TheEverFreeKing]

Thankfully with the killing of Roe we've protected the freedom of unborn babies across this country 💜 But we ain't done yet we must get the national ban👍

[@rabbit251]

My ex-wife had to get an abortion. We wanted to keep the child, but she kept getting sicker and sicker. Then she started bleeding from her uterus. We went to one doctor who told us there was a 50/50 chance only we could keep the baby. After 3 months my wife was so sick she couldn't get out of bed. We went to a different doctor who then told us if we continued there was a chance that she could die also. He also stated that at this time surgery had to be done because the internal bleeding was getting serious. We took a week to think about it and in that week my wife would barely wake up and was sleeping 20 hours a day. She could barely eat and was losing weight fast. I got really scared when she went into a coma-like state where I couldn't wake her. Finally after a couple of days she came around only to declare that she couldn't continue like this. She felt like she was dying because she was. Reluctantly we had the abortion and doctor ordered it medically necessary. He said there was a chance that if she continued with the pregnancy that there was a high chance that would go into a coma and never wake up. Even after the surgery she didn't come to until 3 days later and was in the hospital for a week. I couldn't imagine having to go through that in the US without the Roe decision.

[@Duderino420]

Baby killers

[@randomjunkohyeah1]

Jesus. I’m so sorry.

[@Yukosan13]

Without row v wade.. your wife and that baby would both be dead

[@jimbob3030]

That seems so highly irresponsible to let her go on nearly dying for that long. Clearly you really wanted that baby but damn.

[@granudisimo]

If any fascist piece of shit tries to call you a murderer, because you didn't want to let your wife die to cater to their religious feelings, just call them a fake Christian and challenge them to Google "Bible bitter water" and call them a fake christian. Or slap them across the face, I dunno, your call XD.

[@chanmarr8118]

I’ll never forgot the time my mom told me the story of her going to an abortion clinic in the early 90s after I was born. There were people outside protesting. She had to be escorted in by security. A woman in the crowd yelled out that she shouldn’t do it. My mother then replied that she just lost her baby and had to get it removed. The woman was speechless. It’s clear that these politicians don’t understand the basics of how a woman’s body works and what we go through. We should be allowed to make our choice on what to do when presented with something that can completely alter your life.

[@Jar0fMay0]

Ehhh I don't consider that an abortion even though it's classified as one. Besides, that procedure isn't banned only regular ones

[@whitneymouse]

I was 18, going to get an IUD because I couldn’t stop bleeding. This went on for years. I went with my mom, who was standing RIGHT NEXT TO ME as a protestor screamed at me not to “kill my baby.” I wasn’t pregnant. She had the audacity to scream at a child for something that wasn’t happening in front of their parent. They’re insane. I’m sorry that happened to your mother.

[@bspitler0]

You're REALLY going to act like the new abortion ban means women can't get treatment for miscarriages? "These people" are in the hundreds of millions in America, but nice way to try and make the opposing viewpoints sound like a handful of crazy protesters.

[@Ryan-ob6gp]

By and large the loudest opponents to abortion (as with almost all conservative causes) are themselves victims of smarter people shepherding them with spoonfed strawmen. They don't actually know the details of anything they're against - simply assured by those in power that whatever it is will be in their best interests. Blind faith as a political force. Not saying they should get a pass for near-unfathomable ignorance.

[@Bucephalus84]

And should the father also have a say? Also yeah sorry, if you have sex.....you can get pregnant.

[@scottpeterson7500]

Let them move somewhere else is the Let Them Eat Cake approach to women’s rights

[@Chunkboi]

“Sell their houses to who? Fucking Aquaman?!”

[@spongeintheshoe]

Or basically any political issue.

[@SateliteRaider1]

"You Have no Rights. Rights aren't Rights if someone can take them away, they are Privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country: a bill of TEMPORARY Privileges; and if you read the news, even badly, you know the list gets shorter, and shorter, and shorter." -- Paraphrased from George Carlin

[@DragoPlayerOne]

Preach on

[@noahhale4862]

Rights have been expanded hugely throughout American history. The right to abortion didn't exist in any real legal sense until Roe in the 70s

[@lldavidll]

the right to procreate or not is a right that people have, people should never have the right to murder their offspring. there are many measures people can take to ensure that they dont get someone pregnant or get pregnant. shortly after conception, i think that the person that has been created has a right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. if a person really doesnt want children, they should be responsible and take appropriate precautions, there are many. but as this comment says, i think they are arguing for abortion rights, takes away any right that the life created, that human, that person ever has. i guess you could argue that it is within your rights to murder a child because it isnt a fully developed person. i mean really you are attacking the fundamental right of life.

[@dionmcgee5610]

@@lldavidll Then you don't believe in freedom for women and you, a man, want to impose your belief system on others. You want to put women(and girls) in prison and force them through child birth. You want women (and girls) to die during unsafe medical procedures so that we can add to the over population of a species that is destroying the natural habitat and causing world wide mass extinctions of the other animals that are unlucky enough to share this planet with a life form full of religious zealotry and endless greed. Make sure you keep up to date on the new death toll of women (and girls) dying because of your religious convictions. i can promise you I will be counting every single person you have killed. Not the imaginary maybe babies you worry about. #taxthechurchs

[@dionmcgee5610]

#taxchurch #taxchurch #taxchurch #taxchurch #taxchurch #taxchurch #taxchurch #taxchurch #taxchurch

[@SNeaker328]

I wish more people would also stress that a lot of what is being swept up in this is what even many people who are against abortion would not consider abortion. D&Cs after miscarriage. Ectopic events. Non-viable pregnancies. This does not just affect those seeking abortions. It affects every single person who can get pregnant and their families. If affects every single American. It could be you or someone you love who suffers sepsis or dies because doctors refused to remove an already dead baby such as happened in Ireland and in Poland -- both of which supposedly had exceptions for life of the mother but in a state in which performing an abortion can lead to fines or prisons, doctors will let women die. Anyone who thinks this won't affect them because they make "good choices" is living in la la land.

[@MichiganFresh]

I'm waiting for this to get to the point that woman begin getting imprisoned for miscarriages since they see medically called "spontaneous abortions." I mean, if we're going to go backwards, we know this won't be the end of it.

[@stevenp25100]

Keep on with the fear tactics.

[@lars1W]

@@stevenp25100 they aren’t making anything up lmao

[@LateNightwithStudBuyers]

My ex had an abortion five years ago. She was told all her life by her doctors that she would never be able to become pregnant, because of her numerous health issues (she didn't want kids, anyway, but her "not being able" was why doctors also refused to give her an IUD, because, hey, what's the point? 🙄). Of course, she became pregnant, it was ectopic, she absolutely would have died were she forced to carry it through. I'll always remember going with her to PP, you know, so they could save her life, and having to walk through a gauntlet, outside the entrance to the building, of horrible, hateful humans screaming at her, calling her a murderer, etc. Good Christian folks, huh. At least she's still alive.

[@wajmgirl]

If you can’t reproduce you’re better off dead to the GQP

[@smaug2981]

When you consider that many of those states have laws allowing the marriage of minors to middle aged adults, it becomes more horrifying. Also it's my personal opinion that forcing a child to be born into a family where it will be unloved or malnourished is a far greater crime than an abortion, because it is the deliberate torture of a human being.

[@bsarioz]

It will increase crime in the future. There is already correlation established historically.

[@pd003]

So do them the favor of killing them? Horrific.

[@ammaleslie509]

THIS GOT DAMN IT. THIS DOES NOT GET SAID OFTEN ENOUGH

[@remington7457]

I disagree. One's upbringing will not dictate their future.

[@ammaleslie509]

@@remington7457 did you mean to reply to Berk Sarioz' comment about crime and upbringing? My comment is not about upbringing, but the emotional and sometimes physical torture unwanted children endure.

[@shivanithakur203]

I am so enraged by this and I don't even live in the United States. Reading the experiences of people in this comment section makes me teary. And yes John, you are right this is just as much about people who need it medically as about emotionally, financially

[@_BenJaminCroft_]

The common ground where I think we can all agree on is if it is a product of rape, incest or if it is life threatening to the mother and/or baby, yes? And that there are several preemptive options available instead of an abortion, such as... Abstinence Marriage Adoption Contraceptives Education Awareness Agreed?

[@Anvilman]

@@_BenJaminCroft_ Dumb copypasta is dumb

[@tdelioncourt1268]

​@@_BenJaminCroft_ Most abortions happen to people who did take precautions (almost like if people who didn't want babies, didn't want babies, whaaaat?) Making it only accessible after rape? how many rape cases are aknowlledged by authorities? how long does it take? Reminder that 70% of rape cases leave not enough proof to be considered as such, 9/10 victims are too affraid to even talk about it to the police. We need to perform abortions no question asked. Making it available in case of emergency? what is emergency? who decides it? There is no absolute rule in medecine. It is not a number of boxes you tick. Will the doctor be at risk for a lawsuit in case it is judged not urgent enough? Do you think they will risk to go to jail for a woman? Abortions, unwanted pregnancies will happen no matter what, nothing is 100% safe but sterilisation. Abortion rights need to exist. Can we agree? The 2 partners should be offered long term contraceptives, not just the ones with uteruses. Can we agree? People should learn where the clitoris is, and that women don't need to be penetrated with a penis, or even to be penetrated at all to have enjoyable sex. Actually it is even more enjoyable like that. Maybe men should learn new ways? Can we agree? I'm also very confused as to how marriage prevents unwanted pregnancies, please explain. Married women get abortions....

[@evidenceincreation9520]

Science is conclusive to say that an individual, unique human life begins with fertilization. Therefore, abortion is murder.

[@finpro942]

If you are Indian,you should be more enraged by the Female Infanticide in India and forced abortions in India.RvW does not ban abortions where a rape or medical emergency occurs....media however likes to pretend otherwise.

[@rituparikh2255]

My mom had an abortion when I was 5-my little sister was 2. She wanted the baby, but it was in the wrong spot during implantation. It didn’t implant in a tube like ectopic pregnancy, but too low. The pregnancy was very high risk-worsened by the fact that she was 37 at the time. 10 weeks in and she was in constant pain and had to be admitted to the hospital. Week 11, she was told that she would have to spend the entire pregnancy bedbound inpatient. At week 12, she made the very hard choice to lose the chance at a third baby, in order to keep herself able to take care of her two kids that were already there. My little sister had special needs at the time. She is a superstar in med school right now, but back then, she didn’t speak and would freak out if my mom was even in the other room. I’m a grown woman now, and I remember my mom as always being there for me. As present. Who know how differently my life would have gone had she not been there during that pregnancy, or after if it had killed her. It’s no one else’s right to dictate if she should have gone through that pregnancy. Her health concerns were and still are between her and her doctor. It’s up to every woman to make these important choices about our lives and our health by ourselves-whether we make those risks or not is up to us.

[@srccde]

@@skyblkbly7261 So the rest of the country is guilty of what happens in NY? You can't blame local problems on the entire country. Also, banning abortions simply tackles one sympton of the problem, but not its root cause - which is insufficient sexual education.

[@Safetyman99]

Thank you for relating that. What these conservative anti-choice idiots don't get is that not every situation is the same. You can't make a blanket law that covers EVERY medical decision that women are facing, but apparently the GOP is doing that.

[@Safetyman99]

@@skyblkbly7261 So what do you say when red states start outlawing condoms? Contraception is next on their list, trust me.

[@JessieBanana]

@@skyblkbly7261 That still isn't your decision to make. Also, no one is treating abortion like a condom. Rates only include pregnancies, you would have to factor in all of the pregnancies that were prevented through contraception to even consider making that sort of claim. Becoming pregnant is a stressful even that most women want to avoid if not intentional.

[@Iwannaps5]

@@skyblkbly7261 so you’re the ultimate authority on abortion rights? I’m gonna guess that you’re a man.

[@liamtahaney713]

As an American who lives in Europe, John Oliver has become a depressing part of my Monday morning routine where I'm reminded weekly why I'm never going home.

[@Batlafication]

Don't worry, you can stay as long as you like

[@AragornRespecter]

You do know most of Europe has a limit equal to the Mississippi law? Stay and never come back babykiller

[@karankapoor2701]

Awww I'm sure everyone cares

[@theoteddy9665]

good choice

[@chrisprilloisebola]

lol no one cares, keep supporting unconstiutional laws because you don't know any better because of herd mentality

[@goylefriend]

My great-great-grandma died from sepsis, after she and her husband tried to preform an abortion at home. It was the depression, and they couldn't afford another kid, so she knowingly risked her life. My great-grandma was shipped off to her distant relatives without even knowing what had happened to her mother. These laws hurt families for generations. Edit: I wish the person who replied: “i'm sure youre happy to be alive since the abortion failed right?” hadn’t deleted the comment because I always liked coming back to it whenever I needed a good laugh.

[@Julia-lk8jn]

I've known about stories like that - and ones that weren't quite so lethal, but still bloody awful - but it's still horrible. I'm so sorry that happened to your family.

[@Daniel_AurA]

I wish people realized how dumb the "this is going to create unsafe at home abortion" argument is. I lean pro choice, but stop using that as your basis of justification. It's literally going to appeal to no one that already has feelings against abortion. If anything it just makes those people sound crazy and further deepens their established mindset.

[@gracebellamy586]

@@Daniel_AurA But it's the truth, Daniel. And if people don't know what the truth is, then their made up mindsets stay that way forever. It's being faced with the truth that sometimes changes the mind of people... if they aren't crazy trumpublicans.

[@goylefriend]

@@Daniel_AurA Not entirely sure what you meant by this, but think of it this way: If someone is on the fence about abortion, but thinks that banning it will save the lives of unborn fetuses, I think it's helpful to tell them about a case that's personal to me, in which anti-choice legislation did nothing to save the fetus. In my experience it's pretty pointless to argue whether life begins at conception, so I find following the "what will making abortion inaccessible *actually* do" train of thought more compelling. In this case, it directly resulted in the death of someone in my family *and* her fetus.

[@kitskivich]

This happened to my great-grandmother and my second great-grandmother. Both great-grandmothers were interrogated by police on their deathbeds because the police interrogated women before allowing them medical treatment in the early 20th Century. The inquest for one great-grandmother was 23 pages long and just heart breaking.

[@MasalaiMeri]

"No matter what men think, abortion is a fact of life. Women have always had them; they always have and they always will. Are they going to have good ones or bad ones? Will the good ones be reserved for the rich, while the poor women go to quacks?" - Shirley Chisholm, Unbought And Unbossed

[@RealJohnMurphy]

Lots of appalling things are a fact of life, and one of them gets trotted out regularly as an excuse for abortion. Can you think what it is, and are you arguing that it should be legal on the same grounds?

[@MasalaiMeri]

@@RealJohnMurphy why would I play guessing games with a rando on the internet... particularly about something as important to women as this? 🙄

[@MasalaiMeri]

@@RealJohnMurphy instead of being deliberately obtuse, be a man and say exactly what you mean. God men are ridiculous.

[@youtubesucks1821]

Ah yes who could forget the time Adam stuck a vacuum and forceps up inside of Eve to terminate the pregnancy. People just don't understand how long abortions have really been around.

[@ShimrraJamaane]

​@@RealJohnMurphy Is it appalling to get an appendectomy or a splenectomy? Is it appalling to have a miscarriage? Is it appalling to enslave women to give birth to the children of their rapist? Let's focus on my last question: would you force a woman to give birth to a baby conceived from rape? In OK, a man could rape and impregnate a child and that child would legally have to give birth. If you don't find that appalling, then you support a blatant violation of the 13th amendment; you support slavery. If you do find that appalling, then how do you remedy the situation? Do you permit an abortion? If so, then you recognize that abortion has legitimacy, and that your argument is an ad hoc fallacy. You have an untenable position.

[@iris_ofthestorm4260]

You know things are fucked when John uploads TWICE

[@adrianfisher7383]

Exactly my thoughts... how are we fucked this time and how can john make me giggle about it?!

[@ngonzales3781]

Yea ikr things were so much better in the dark ages when we didnt have some idiot with terrible takes complaining to a bunch of sycophants online. Enjoy the echo chamber. Reality is catching up to you people lmao.

[@iris_ofthestorm4260]

@Benjamin David Lurie - what, is giggling suddenly a fucking crime now

[@chrisprilloisebola]

nope, things are pretty good now. They did the correct thing, mald about it

[@iris_ofthestorm4260]

@Benjamin David Lurie - what the fuck are you talking about

[@alexfischer2527]

"I cannot defend the system we currently have". Strong words, John.

[@Tcrror]

@dont worry Would you PLEASE get a hobby.

[@King_Sad_Boy]

True words. It's long past time we burnt it to the ground.

[@darkshadowrule2952]

@@Tcrror its probably replying using script to auto post, so the creator likely does have a life and sends the annoying bot off on a video with a click

[@SurferMan127]

The best part about that statement is that he was really aiming it at the Democrats. They have abandoned the working class. They have abandoned the middle class. They have abandoned the poor. They are now failing to deliver on even the social issues that don’t challenge the fortunes of their wealthy donors. And they can’t even do the one thing that is supposed to be what we get in exchange for every trade off I just mentioned: protecting us from the Republicans. What a useless, corrupt, incompetent gang of shitheads.

[@itstoogooditswaytoogood3211]

Well he doesn't really understand the system then. This is a democracy and we haven't voted for a right to abortion. You need 60% of elected officials, which is reasonable because if it were just a plain majority then when a republican got elected it would be extremely easy to undo everything democrats did immediately because you only need to sway a couple people and there would be whiplash every 4-8 years. The plain fact of the matter is (unless you want to live under a dictator) you need to vote if you want change, and if elected officials aren't doing what you want them to that's because the issue is very closely split or voters don't care enough.

[@naluzoniro]

Always remember : you can't ban abortions, you can only ban safe, legal abortions.

[@steemlenn8797]

You can ban. But not prevent. There are some real horrible deaths from woman who tried whatever came into their mind. Like riding the broomstick. And by that I mean on the pointy end and all the way down.

[@naluzoniro]

@@steemlenn8797 that is horrifying

[@maryallan453]

As a nurse in pre-legal-abortion times (yes, I'm old as dirt) I saw the results of backyard abortions. A 14 year old impregnated by her old uncle; a young woman with 17 puncture wounds in her cervix from a knitting needle - she died of sepsis; a young woman who simultaneously had a pregnancy and a rapidly growing cancer - "they" wanted to play Russian Roulette with her, hoping they could do a C-Section for a viable infant before she died. The backyard abortion allowed her to get treatment and survive. These, and others, allowed me to form the opinion that if I wrote legislation, I would have walk-in clinics in the back room of every Starbucks.

[@tedcardigan6373]

Just like guns. Thank you.

[@ryanelliott6706]

You can’t completely ban alcohol either. But in states that do there is a lot less alcohol. Whatever gets less babies killed.

[@khylerbane4523]

My mother said “Guns have more rights than women right now.” When hearing about this. Mother, I couldn’t agree more.

[@mathildeyoung1823]

You and your mother are misinformed. Guns don't have a right to kill innocent human beings (born or unborn). Men and women shouldn't either.

[@blahblahblah747]

yes we all have the right to buy guns and shoot each other!!! It's the purge!!! Owning a gun for self protection is entirely different from purposely killing and removing a baby from the uterus.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@mathildeyoung1823 By your logic I should have the right to harvest your organs to save the life of someone else. What do you mean you don't want to have your organs used by someone else to save a life? Isn't that exactly your point? That someone dependent on another persons organs always has the right to use them regardless of the consent of the person in question? What do you mean you might die from it? It's murder for you to not give your organs to another person so if you refuse we'll charge you with murder and just harvest your organs after your execution anyways. And if it's necessary we will keep harvesting your organs until you die, sorry but it's murder if you refuse. You must surely understand, it is murder to not give up your bodily autonomy for the survival of someone else.

[@joeldiaz7416]

@@mathildeyoung1823 true. Guns also don't have rights since they're inanimate objects. We have the constitutional right to own and carry guns. But there's no constitutional right to abortion. Since the constitution doesn't mention it it becomes a state issue.

[@Traumglanz]

Women just need to own more guns. ;-)

[@Fractangle]

The one thing I wish he'd also touched on is that if abortion is legally considered murder, and murder is legally considered a felony, and felons (in many states) can't legally vote, then this disenfranchises exactly the people who would vote to protect their right to an abortion.

[@darcymarie3486]

I didn't even think of this. I'm screen shotting your comment and posting it everywhere i can.

[@rectaldestructionisnotlove4091]

You should get disenfranchised. You nots. Babies are the future. But live for today to die in a tenth metropolis is the Them way.

[@stevendiaz7633]

even if the person gets a it is a way for the far right to suppress votes.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

That's the problem with taking away a convicts' right to vote in general and not one that's exclusive to this topic. The state of Washington made it illegal to harass Bigfoot, and if a court convicts you of this crime, you can't vote for a governor or congressional representative that thinks this is a dumb law.

[@chrisprilloisebola]

@@darcymarie3486 lol, you dont have a very high IQ huh?

[@Eowyn1]

When my mom was pregnant with me the doctors strongly recommended an abortion because they didn't think she'd be able to carry me full-term and survive. Being staunchly pro-life she refused and somehow made it through. Nice story, huh? Except the part where she lost her job due to medical complications and was never able to find another. Except the part where my entire family fell into poverty and never made it out. Except the part where a combination of physical issues, mental illness, and the sheer stress of the situation turned a previously good mother (according to my older sister) into an abusive monster. I honestly wish she'd aborted me. It might have saved my sister a lot of trauma and it's not like my non-existent self would have known the difference. Abortion is healthcare.

[@daryno9047]

I’m sorry you and your family went through all of that. It’s truly f*cked up how conservatives want to make abortion illegals yet refuse to lift a single fingers in aiding people most affected by these rulings and will scream how it isn’t “their responsibility”

[@benjaminsorensen9334]

Healthcare is also healthcare. The difference between republicans and democrats is *when* they think the torture and murder of children is acceptable.

[@Oflyin]

A little life insurance and a 'accident' on your part should make up for it.

[@Myako]

Thank you for sharing your story with us, and I'm extremely sorry you had to experience all of that. However, please remember that you're worth it. I truly hope you have support, care and love at this stage of your life. 💪🏻💪🏻💓💓

[@williamhutton2126]

@@kemzyacco5629 You are essentially a simpleton spouting nonsense.

[@lindaa.9859]

As a CPS worker, I see the tragedies that happen to children that are born and unwanted.

[@libertariantranslator1929]

Romanians saw that too, when Nixon and Ford's favorite communist dictator, Ceausescu, enforced Republican-style girl-bullying laws.

[@mayarosenberg1813]

@@godfathaofyo You should see the moms die in childbirth

[@alexandradaniele]

@@godfathaofyo You most certainly have seen no such thing.

[@d_a_n_a.]

@@godfathaofyo not sure a six week old foetus is a child my friend. A 6-year-old living, breathing and suffering little one is, however.

[@godfathaofyo]

@@mayarosenberg1813 such a miniscule number of abortions are for the "mother's health"...over 92% of abortions are elective, aka last form of contraception available.

[@NatalieZii]

One of the best arguments I’ve heard for being pro choice is that organ donation isn’t even required if you die. Your organs could save people but the law says that even if you are DEAD you have a right to bodily autonomy. If you don’t want to donate your organs, you don’t have to. How can you have such a law but also have a law that requires women to donate their living body to a person that doesn’t even exist yet? How does that make sense?

[@Somedudeonyoutube123]

@@wtn1670 spoken like a dude who will never have to worry about it

[@Somedudeonyoutube123]

@@wtn1670 also there is ~ SEVEN months of difference between those time frames. They are not separate entities. Realize that the fetus cannot exist without the mother. People can have safe sex and still get pregnant. Either way, it's that person's body, that person's choice. You sound a bit religious. Let me give you a quote from a well read Pastor: "The unborn are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike the incarcerated, addicted, or the chronically poor; they don’t resent your condescension or complain that you are not politically correct; unlike widows, they don’t ask you to question patriarchy; unlike orphans, they don’t need money, education, or childcare; unlike aliens, they don’t bring all that racial, cultural, and religious baggage that you dislike; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus, but actually dislike people who breathe. Prisoners? Immigrants? The sick? The poor? Widows? Orphans? All the groups that are specifically mentioned in the Bible? They all get thrown under the bus for the unborn." Methodist Pastor David Barnhart

[@cristiani.lepindea8676]

But if abortion is murder, does it matter ?! kzbin.info/aero/PLRCroccSjXWR9HVr_ooA3ErEAR0SifdwY

[@garystahler9112]

That's a terrible argument.

[@leonessity]

Brilliant argument! Unfortunately it only speaks to the already informed and better educated minds in our society... It's the uneducated, the narrowminded mental midgets and the control freaks who can't or won't grasp logic, reason or statistics. They are also the ones who need to have their heads ejected from everyone else's asses, since they weren't asked to be there in the first place, anyhow. I'd be curious to know the results of poll centered on pro choicers and anti choicers alike, asking them their views on population control tactics, as it may pertain to our future generations in around about a hundred years time, when healthy food, potable water and safe housing become unobtainable to the general majority. Had I known at 20, what I know almost 30 years later, I never would have followed through with having children, as it already appears that I will be leaving them with a planet who's own future looks pretty bloody bleak... They are members of a population that is becoming increasingly homeless, hungry and hopeless and they are burdened with the knowledge that humanity's existence at any time, faces possible extinction through natural cataclysmic activity. What a wonderful time to be alive...

[@apoorvshah3276]

"Progress requires a consistent, sustained struggle, a willingness to disrupt everyday life, and actual courage from the people that we choose to lead us." Such a beautifully written line. I wholeheartedly agree.

[@apoorvshah3276]

@chris johnson I think giving people freedom to do something when it doesn't impact others at all is freedom and going towards it is progress. If you don't think abortions are okay, don't get an abortion. Its that simple.

[@greeneyedlady5580]

@@apoorvshah3276 Bingo. Bans off our bodies!!! The same is true for the right wing lunatic fringe, including Justice Alito, who wasn't to undo other rights such as the right to marry or have sex with whomever the fuck you choose, as long as it's another consenting adult. Same sex marriage is definitely on the chopping block. Contraception rights are being attacked in numerous states from Arizona to Idaho to Louisiana.

[@gigapatriarca5245]

Bring it commie !! We will meet in the battle field after Novembers red wave and in 2024 after trumps victory !!

[@mariec3733]

@@gigapatriarca5245 sir, not everyone is a commie. Go take your meds.

[@gigapatriarca5245]

@@mariec3733 Yeah you’re all commies some more then others.. but all of you progressives and democrats are influence by Marxism

[@tommymoore8892]

Thank you John Oliver for calling out Obama (and Democrats in general) on this issue. If more of us were willing to do this in the first place we could have a party that was worthy of our votes.

[@kosalbai]

Prejudice. You could only cite Obama of all the democrats called out? Clinton?

[@kevinc8955]

Democrats should not be advertising pro choice or making it a foundation of the party. These judges just did you a favor. Now you can divorce yourself of this abortion loyalty test as a party and make it a local issue again. Democrats should be all about 2 things. 1) single payer 2) livable wage That’s it. How many poor white red states would you literally carry if you weren’t nationally known as the party of godless baby killers. Why not open your doors up to poor people with Christian values, particularly in states where you can’t get a foothold? But nope. Let’s support messages like “pro abortion”, or “defund the police”, or support trans genetic men trouncing girls in the 40 yard dash in HS because that’s always such a great look for moderates you desperately need. You’re painting yourselves into a corner.

[@kevinc8955]

@@kosalbai And of course race baiting. We can’t forget race-baiting as a critical role of the Democratic Party. I cannot imagine why we have trouble holding on to seats for more than 2 years…

[@homeschoolingmadeeasy7798]

Even if they'd passed legislation, the current decision by the court would overrule it. The only way out of this is to play the long game like the conservative voters did

[@tommymoore8892]

@@kosalbai Because he was THE leader of the party and the one that specifically said "it wasnt a priority". That's all. And the part where I mentioned Democrats in general was to say that YES they as a party deserve some of that too. So I dont know where you are coming from.

[@angelicalicari8355]

Fun fact: when Roe was decided, marital rape was still legal in all 50 states. The first state to throw away it's marriage exemption to anti-rape laws did so in 1976; the last state outlawed marital rape in *1993*.

[@thelovelybunny9012]

wtf that's not even that long ago

[@rendrawsbadly4785]

Holy shit. That’s too recent for comfort.

[@Mushroom321-]

Disturbing.., theres not intitlement ..to ones body..🙄🤦‍♀️

[@adriangeh6414]

The good old biblical days...

[@KeilyShhh]

Also, even if it would save 10 lives, it's still illegal to use the organs of a corps unless the deceased was a donor. Dead bodies have more autonomy than pregnant women. What does that say about our society and how women are regarded?

[@meowntown69]

I'm back here after Roe Vs Wade got overturned. This is a dark day in history.

[@the-renegade]

Same...

[@youtubesucks1821]

Yes how are we supposed to kill 600,000+ babies a year now?

[@evidenceincreation9520]

Science is conclusive to say that an individual, unique human life begins at fertilization. Therefore, abortion is murder.

[@rollingknuckleball]

rvw

[@SuperTruthful]

VOTE BLUE

[@Vaprous]

1:00 - Just in case John misses to cover this point: that whole argument about it "not being in the constitution" is illegal. Literally illegal. the 9th amendment explicitly makes such arguments illegal, in plain text. In very plain text "Nothing in this constitution may be used to construe that an unenumerated right does not exist", its one of the most plain, cut and dry parts of the constitution as you can get.

[@chrisprilloisebola]

for what exactly?

[@terihammond5932]

I cannot believe the vastness of the laws that this group has broken without penalty. How has this point not been shouted from the rooftops by every law student in the country??? What is happening to us? We seem to have simply given up and accepted that the GOP can do whatever they want, regardless of what the people actually want. I'm beyond sick over it. The worst part is, who is allowed to use this info against the SC? There seems to be absolutely no accountability there, so how do we use this information to stop them?

[@IoEstasCedonta]

That's... not what that means. If it were, then every law on the books would have to be overruled.

[@yama_noki]

@Vaperius That actually only kicks the can 1 step down the road. It changes the argument from "Abortion rights aren't expressly in the Constitution, therefore they aren't covered by it" to "Abortion rights weren't one of the unwritten rights protected by the 9th Amendment of the Constitution, therefore..." There would definitely need to be a discussion as to whether-or-not abortion rights count as one of the unwritten rights, a discussion that would probably end up following party lines and thus result in the 5-4 split that already exists.

[@Rime_in_Retrograde]

@@IoEstasCedonta That is exactly what it means. It is stating, plainly, that what's already in the constitution cannot be used to say that a right does not exist - in other words, you can't say "it's not a right just because it's not in the constitution", you have to find another legal justification. The constitution can't be used to decrease your rights and freedoms, clauses like this were supposed to be a failsafe against this type of buffoonery.

[@Tcrror]

The same people that screamed "my body, my choice" over wearing a piece of fabric during a pandemic are now SILENT. Their hypocrisy knows no bounds.

[@lalitthapa101]

The same people who are pro life are also very very fond of the death penalty

[@Dubadubadu123]

isn't it also the other way around?

[@josephboehmer1245]

@@Dubadubadu123 Abortions are not contagious. Being around a person who had one won't give you an abortion. COVID is.

[@ioioioiooioioi]

Ignorance is deadly.

[@tofu-munchingCoalition.ofChaos]

@@Dubadubadu123 The other way around it is clothing. Do you think clothing requirements are against bodily autonomy?

[@Skios]

It really is horrifying how Alito's reasoning could be used to overturn Obgerfell v. Hodges (gay marriage), Lawrence v. Texas (privacy to perform any sex act between consenting adults), Griswold v. Connecticut (access to contraceptives) and Loving v. Virginia (interracial marriage).

[@karlstumpff8624]

You can say goodbye to medical privacy for every American too. HIPPA was built off the precedent of medical privacy that Roe established. What is to stop the state of Florda or Texas from personally reviewing every citizens medical records looking for potential of an abortion, even for ectopic pregnancy, and then punish the patient? Texas already signaled it is willing to prosecute mothers and doctors.

[@benjaminsorensen9334]

It can't. Alito's reasoning is that Roe v Wade used faulty reasoning to decide when it's okay to actually end the life of something with human DNA. I hadn't heard that gay marriage, blow jobs, or interracial marriage involved taking something that was undeniably eating growing and making it so it could no longer do either of those things.

[@seal869]

The decision explicitly disclaims all of that and gives the reason: because there is no other life potential life at stake when considering the penumbral right to privacy in those cases.

[@coogrfan]

@@seal869 You'll excuse me if I'm reluctant to just accept that on faith, given that the justices signing off on this are the same ones who stated during their confirmation hearings that Roe v Wade was settled law.

[@blamush7950]

@Blaire Sovereign Lawrence v. Texas (privacy to perform any sex act between consenting adults) has to do with 2 people of the same sex having sexual relationships with each other, aka gay sex.

[@pastelguts6182]

I know a lot of people who work in social services and one big issue with banning abortion is that the people who are hardcore pro-life, dont actually give a shit about the child. They dont try to get more funding for social services, foster care systems, adoption, welfare for single parents, supporting disability government funding, nothing. Nada. I was one of the lucky few who could get social services as a child for much needed support but other children dont have that. It just makes me upset when people claim 'moral superiority' (if they truly believe a clump of cells is alive), but dont actually do anything about said 'children' (of course there are few that will support social services, but they arent even 1% of pro lifers as a whole)

[@briancurtis6022]

@@TheBearGrappler Still a stupid argument. Should we deny healthcare to road-accident victims because they CHOSE to drive, which can be risky?

[@emminet]

They're "pro-life" until birth. They're not really pro-life, they're pro forced birth.

[@PoisedK1NG_P1N]

I love the part where the lady says “this is not an opinion that’s going to undo abortions in this country” and literally the next day Mitch McConnell says “it’s not impossible that we try to ban abortion at a national level”

[@Africa-ky1bg]

Proving you can't trust ANYTHING that comes out of the GOP. They are not just coming for abortion rights...they are also coming for contraception rights, our medical care, our rights to have a credit card and a bank account and own a home, our higher education, our high paying jobs, and women's right to vote which has only been in place for 102 years. These younger generations don't understand just HOW IMPORTANT AND ALL ENCOMPASSING THIS IS. This is NOT about abortion... it is AN ALL OUT WAR ON WOMEN !

[@Dolthra]

Just like the Republicans stressing "we don't want our messaging to make people fear for their contraception" the same day a bunch of GOP candidates talk about wanting to ban the pill and Tennessee passed a law making Plan B illegal.

[@hughquigley5337]

My favorite part is when John Oliver gives me a reason to hope for a brighter future and a plan to fight for it… my second favorite part is when Jerry Falwell dies. Also what’s your favorite class, fellow guardian?

[@PoisedK1NG_P1N]

@@hughquigley5337 I main Hunter, but I play a lot of Titan. I like Warlock but it’s generally the last class I end up getting things for.

[@gigapatriarca5245]

ABORTION IS MURDER !!

[@littilwood]

I love love LOVE the argument that if WE don't like something, we can go someplace else, but if THEY don't like something, we'd better change the rules to suit them.

[@Sephiroth144]

Followed by bills being introduced to make it a crime to do that very thing (travel somewhere to have a medical procedure)

[@annaharper1657]

It's called... Ppl don't want to pay taxes for you to kill your baby... Forcing ppl to support baby genocide is beyond sick and unacceptable. I'm just pissed it wasn't banned everywhere. Baby steps I suppose you'd say!

[@tourmelion9221]

@@annaharper1657 it's a fetus, it could be the size of your fingernail sometimes, that's not a baby, why would the potential for that to become a baby be so important, why do people want to force women into turning fingernail sized cells into babies, and then take care of said baby, sounds like people just want to put stress on women for being able to create in the first place

[@Onigirli]

@@annaharper1657 Why are you even here?

[@youtubezombies]

@@annaharper1657 define a baby, because abortion is not allowed if the fetus can live outside of their mother

[@aparna6533]

Why do people not realise that no one “likes” having an abortion. It is a mentally and physically difficult thing to go through but sometimes, that is the best option. It can save years of financial and emotional trouble. And adult women can decide for themselves what their best option is. If someone is making the choice of an abortion, they will not be doing it flippantly.

[@nerfherder4284]

Agreed. There will always be some, but do we really want to force that type of person into parenthood? I wonder how many abortions DJ tRump has paid for over the decades?

[@davidhollenshead4892]

@@nerfherder4284 Many more than the over a dozen children that he has fathered...

[@willempotgieter6045]

Most sensible comment I've seen on the matter thus far.👍

[@rdezoveelste]

I suspect the people pushing for these laws have a certain ideology that causes them to see everyone not in their in-group as immoral idiots who can’t possibly have valid opinions of their own. They immediately assume that all pro-choice people are sociopaths who have abortions for fun or because of satans influence.

[@dieanna8]

Great point! Even when the end-decision is very clear and reasonable, the decision-making process and the actual process are horrible and gruelling. No one wants to be faced with this and everyone suffers a trauma, even when they make the decision whole-heartedly. No matter the age, social status, marital status.

[@cjboyo]

This is also a fight over your right to GET pregnant. A lot of people with uteruses, myself included, are in a horrible position of having to decide if we want to get permanently sterilized or not for their own safety. I would like to carry a pregnancy someday. Right now though I cannot safely do that. If I got pregnant and didn’t get an abortion I could be permanently disabled. I am genuinely considering getting a hysterectomy just to avoid that risk.

[@mnschoen]

Don't worry, you don't have that option either. Women have been fighting to be voluntarily sterilized for decades and the answer is the same. "No. You're a mental child who can't make decisions about your own body because I, a total stranger, know that you MIGHT want to birth a child in the future." It's almost like it's not about the pregnancy and more about the mother's bodily autonomy....

[@LAG09]

Sadly there's an even bigger issue here; The legitimacy of the whole supreme court. What we're supposed to have is the separation of the three powers, but both the executive (president) and the legislative (congress) branches have meddled with the judicial for decades trough appointments primarily motivated by politics and meddling with the confirmation of appointees respectively. Separation of these branches is clearly not working and they're merely a tool for party politics.

[@benjaminsorensen9334]

And the Supreme Court making a ruling that should have been an amendment further muddies the waters, which is why we *want* the Supreme Court to say "we didn't actually have authority here; this should have been handled by legislative bodies."

[@CM-pf1xc]

Well yeah our party system controls the gov. AND the ppl and the media-the masses subscribe themselves to sides too!! And power of president and executive branch has grown exponentially since FDR. President has and can send troops anywhere, keep secrets, make laws (executive orders!!) and more and more.

[@nerfherder4284]

@@benjaminsorensen9334 that IS actually what they are trying to say?

[@davidhollenshead4892]

The SCOTUS should have three Conservative Justices, three Moderate Justices, and three Liberal Justices. Both parties should keep that in mind when it comes times to appoint Justices to the SCOTUS as it should represent the American People rather than just one political party !!!

[@plainlake]

At this point there is a lot to gain from straight up murdering supreme judges.

[@MatthewSmith-sz1yq]

Something a lot of people don't realize about these restrictions is that even if they have parts that say abortion is legal "if the mother's life is in danger," that is not how medicine works. There's not really a clear line where someone goes from "not in danger" to "in danger," but rather someone just progressively becomes more endangered as their condition worsens. It means that even if the mother's life is in danger at a hospital, the doctors might have to leave her suffering until her condition worsens enough that it is deemed "justifiable" to perform the abortion. By this point, there will be cases that will be too late, and women will die. The scariest part is that the people who will be deciding what counts as "justified" will likely be a bunch of lawyers and politicians, with zero medical experience. Not to mention, doctors aren't lawyers. It doesn't really matter what the law says, if it criminalizes abortions, doctors are going to be super, super scared to do them, since they'd literally be risking getting charged with a crime each time they performed it. This is what happened in a case that was almost singlehandedly responsible for Ireland legalizing abortion. A woman was rushed to the hospital in extreme pain due to a miscarriage, but the doctors were scared to perform an abortion since they could still detect a heartbeat, even though she was literally in the middle of a miscarriage. She died an excruciating death due to complications from the miscarriage, all because the doctors were literally risking being arrested for murder if they authorized an abortion that might get deemed "unjustified." TL;DR, exceptions for if the woman's life is at risk isn't nearly as useful as most people think, and if abortion becomes illegal again, women will die painful, unnecessary deaths, no matter how many exceptions they try to put in.

[@angelicalicari8355]

Fucking THANK YOU, THIS. Medicine is not black and white! Doctors in Texas in September were giving interviews about how vague the laws were, how they wanted to perform abortions on patients with a medical need but they weren't sure how CLOSE TO DEATH the patients needed to get before the abortion became legal. In one of the most medically developed countries in the world, pregnant people WILL die while their doctors try to navigate legal red rape. Also, the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (the literal experts on reproduction) advocates for unlimited access to abortion on their website.

[@chobblegobbler2536]

It’s almost like we should listen to those who have earned the right to and practice medicine professionally

[@jlt131]

@@angelicalicari8355 I feel like perhaps making it illegal for the person seeking the abortion but not for the doctor performing the abortion could get around that problem - though I hate myself for saying that, because that shouldn't be a thing either. I'm fully pro-choice, thankfully don't live in the backwards USA that seems to be sliding into the dark ages, but I hope if these laws DO come to pass, they don't put the doctors in jail - doctors are hard enough to come by as it is.

[@NatalieZii]

Well said

[@fenrir7878]

I remember that Ireland story. The fetus was already dead they STILL wouldn't perform an abortion saying "we're a Catholic country". Get ready for a lot of dead women and orphaned children.

[@jonesba2004]

I didn’t know I was pregnant for three months. I was 20 years old. I was incredibly fit. I still had minor bleeding, that I attributed to be my usual low-flow period. One day, my boss sat down with me at lunch and very kindly said that I could work for her as long as I wanted to or felt that I could. (I worked on a horse farm.) I didn’t understand what she meant. She said, “Well, you’re pregnant, and I want you to know that your job is safe.” I immediately took a test and yes, I was pregnant. I had NO idea. My husband and I used condoms. I did not use birth control because at that time it was incredibly expensive and we had no insurance. (That’s a whole other discussion.) So much for that. Point is, we had our first child, so that worked out. But many women don’t even know they are pregnant and may have been taking prevention measures that failed. Point is, these decisions should not be made by anyone but the woman, her partner, and anyone else she chooses to have the discussion with like her medical provider, clergy, family, or friends. This SCOTUS disgusts me.

[@bendover7841]

Let's hope your kid never finds out.

[@christophe7373]

Just curious. How did she know you’re pregnant? Instinct ? Thank you

[@Sharonmplus]

@@bendover7841 why? So the child was an accident but she kept it and raised it and has a happy family. That is the case for many pregnancies. Why do you think that's something that is shameful or that you feel the need to attack her?

[@MonkeyJedi99]

@@Sharonmplus I've seen this Bend Over account comment in the most vile manner in other topics as well.

[@cherylspersontillman2351]

@@bendover7841 fascist Sharia Catholic?

[@modernvintage2083]

Somebody should make a website that keeps track of how many women die from complications from birth and other deaths from the illegalization, I think it would be very enlightening to pro life people.

[@stijn2472]

To be honest, do you really think they would care? I am quite doubtful myself.

[@bichlasagne3779]

We need to stop counting on them to turn around. They've been on this fight for 5 decades all while roe v wade has always been supported by the majority of Americans. Their word is garbage.

[@lizbethartemis4886]

They won’t care; they are into punishment and derive pleasure - scary folks.

[@folkindigo7195]

Unfortunately this is what they want. All of it, poor women dying, poor women getting illegal abortions so they can charge them for a felony and keep them from voting. They even want women to have miscarriages for the same reason. And before you say I’m overreacting it has ALREADY HAPPENED. A woman in texas got 30 years for having a natural miscarriage. The only goal of this was to make people who can give birth miserable, poor, and prevent them from voting again. They were never pro life.

[@innocentnemesis3519]

@@stijn2472 Sadly, I tend to agree. The middle ground here is ‘if you don’t like abortion, don’t get one - but that doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to make that choice.’ And yet, the anti-abortion camp seems to think they get to impose their beliefs on others. That’s the fundamental issue here and I don’t know how to get them to care. Any death from illegal abortion would be seen by them as just.

[@thelexicon7294]

Just dropping by with a reminder that the US has one of the highest maternal mortality rates in the world, a shitty healthcare system which is bested by some third-world countries, and honestly embarrassing health insurance bested by most of the developed world.

[@rextrek]

Psssst MeriKKKa is a SCHITHOLE

[@rvoloshchukify]

*developed world. I agree with the sentiment, but most countries are still worse, sadly

[@botanicalitus4194]

@@rvoloshchukify no its actually one of the worst in the entire world, like 5th or 6th worst. Its the number 1 worst in the developed world

[@hanlildan9779]

@@botanicalitus4194 Ok then move to places where they have universal healthcare such as North Korea.

[@callumprice1710]

@@hanlildan9779 or UK or Japan or Canada or France or germany.

[@rdsyafriyar]

"The biggest potential for helping us overcome shame is this: We are “those people.” The truth is…we are the others. Most of us are one paycheck, one divorce, one drug-addicted kid, one mental health illness, one sexual assault, one drinking binge, one night of unprotected sex, or one affair away from being “those people”-the ones we don’t trust, the ones we pity, the ones we don’t let our kids play with, the ones bad things happen to, the ones we don’t want living next door." - Brené Brown

[@TheCountess666]

@@rogerdildeau7507 Getting unlucky isn't about responsibility. YOU could be 'those people' all to easily. if you don't think so, you're deluding yourself.

[@ZentaBon]

@@rogerdildeau7507 consequences for actions don't mean we shouldn't help each other, quite frankly I think it's more beneficial for everyone to help each other rather than standing back and letting people fail and have no real way to climb back up. Things are too hard nowadays, it used to be easy for y'all relatively speaking.

[@rextrek]

People ....REPUBLICANS ARE the ENEMY of America and Anything Decent to Move Our Nation Forward.... RID your LIVES of ALL republicans>..Get OFF the Fence and PICK a SIDE!

[@hanlildan9779]

@@ZentaBon By help you mean tax people to death.

[@christinasmith3699]

Yes!!!! You get it!! Thank you

[@jasonblalock4429]

Yeah, on top of all the terrible things that will happen without Roe, the other terrifying thing about the verdict is that it *directly calls out* several other decisions, all founded on a right to privacy. Lawrence (struck down anti-sodomy laws) and Obergefell (legalized gay marriage) were mentioned BY NAME. Alito didn't just kill Roe, he called his next shot. And if gay rights fall, damn near every major right gained in the last 60 years could be under attack. Right to contraception, even interracial marriage could be attacked with Alito's "logic."

[@nannettehuffman8397]

And what will poor ole Thomas do when they strike down interracial marriage? Stupid f¥

[@redbarchetta8782]

They'll legalize slavery if given a chance.

[@godfrey_of_america]

Womp womp

[@Rusty-Shackleford69]

@@redbarchetta8782 America is back baby!

[@glnnchrstphr9717]

It makes one wonder if Thomas is thinking about the possibility of interracial marriage going backwards considering he's married to an extremely white woman, (she's really an old white man). Or if he believes that they won't do that until after he and his wife are dead.

[@jojothebogwitch]

I'd also say that the most important point he made in this is "some women get an abortion BECAUSE THEY FUCKING WANT ONE"

[@youtubesucks1821]

Some people shoot up schools just because they want to. Is that all you need to make it right? Is just the want to do it?

[@nemir6872]

He didn't say "women" he said "some". This entire segment the writers and John are doing their best to avoid using the word "woman" as much as possible. Don't believe me? Watch again and listen (they use the word once in the beginning)

[@youtubesucks1821]

@@nemir6872 It's because they are afraid of speaking the truth. And this is who people follow. It's just so crazy

[@larapalma3744]

@@youtubesucks1821 Donnie is looking sooo good eh?!

[@youtubesucks1821]

@@Juan-hv9bi Their entire argument hinges on things that are not common. "What about rape or maternal health issues?" Which are 4.5% of abortions according to Guttmacher institute. That and the other part of their 2 pronged argument dehumanizing babies by saying they aren't people. That is the only way they can justify it

[@hedgehoggaming9164]

Since most of the opposition to the right of choice is based on religion, I feel like we don't mention the Freedom of Religion argument enough. Freedom of Religion is so important to our founders that it is literally the First Amendment in the US Constitution. It was drafted to maintain a separation of church from state. We shouldn't have laws that allow religion to dictate our laws.

[@beepboopblorp]

Except when it’s women dying from medical complications due to giving birth bc they can’t get an abortion?

[@kathrynmyrick1739]

And also, if a politician is using Christianity to steer their decisions, their decisions should be Christ-like. When the town wanted to stone a woman for sleeping around, Jesus said, “Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone,” saving her life. Jesus defended widows, orphans, poor people, disabled people, and those of ill repute. If Republicans want to use His name, they should not do so in vain!

[@tifforo1]

If my belief that perjury is wrong, or that polygamy is wrong, or that grave-robbing is wrong, stem from my religion, does that make it a violation of freedom of religion if I want the government to outlaw those things?

[@Alex-0597]

@@rickmilk2360 Then surely you support the death penalty for any woman who gets an abortion? Since, y'know, they're murderers? And if a woman is caught trying to get an abortion, they're guilty of conspiracy to commit murder?

[@justaguy214]

Our laws ARE based on biblical law. No way around it. The right, contrary to belief, is the VAST majority in this country. They will have their way and you can do nothing. It's about to become a very dangerous place for non believers.

[@user-zk8ed4kd2b]

I can't imagine what it would be like to be pregnant for nine months against your will and then after that experience labor and childbirth against your will. Persons experiencing this have zero control of their own bodies.

[@thatguy-uy9qx]

Persons? You mean women?

[@macbethpkyiv]

Research indicates that a woman who is pregnant against her will is stressed, grieving, and bathing the fetus in cortisol for 9 months, which leads to a person born with a predisposition to addiction. Makes sense--several examples in my own family.

[@annmarieknapp2480]

That is what the fringe right wingers want.

[@Jocky8807]

Actually, the baby inside her is in a lot worse condition..... Being exist against his will. Unwanted by his mother from start. And most likely his father. Wanted to be killed before being born. Poor child. No worst condition.

[@Jocky8807]

@@macbethpkyiv but you can make policy, because of statistic. If for example it is better off statistically some low IQ kid to be terminated, would we need to make it into policy? And you can replace the "low IQ kid" with other attributes. Like "black", "poor", "crippled", "terminally sick", "jew", "addicted parents". When you start to make policy based on statistic, it would create a horrible world.

[@jennilocke]

People seem to not realize how easily birth control can fail. I knew a girl in high school who was on the pill, but she took antibiotics for an ear infection and the antibiotics made the birth control less effective. So she got pregnant. We were a month out from graduating. She was going to go to culinary school.

[@UlshaRS]

The antichoice like to pearl clutch and say "but what if the that baby grows up to cure cancer" while ignoring the far less hypothetical student who was studying medicine with a career course track specializing in cancers who gets SAed, ends up pregnant and was forced to leave school and put their life in hold because of a child they didn't want and were forced to carry but wouldn't give up in spite of the lack of help raising the child. plus we know that baby they envisioned is always male to boot.

[@razorbeard6970]

The girl you know sounds smart. She should have asked about drug interactions and then taken the steps to make it work for her while on antibiotics.

[@jennilocke]

@@razorbeard6970 she was just barely 18 at the time, and this was in 2005. It wasn't commonly known that antibiotics could interact negatively with birth control, and anyway it is the job of the doctor and pharmacist to relay that information.

[@jennilocke]

@@Hoo88846 i agree that self sterilizing should be done if a person knows they'll never want kids. The issue is that, for women anyway, it's nearly impossible to get. I'm 35, a lesbian (so I'm never marrying a man), and i have issues with my menstrual cycle such as endometriosis and bad cramping. I never want to have kids. I know for absolutely CERTAIN that i will not be having children. If i get married and somehow decide i want children with my partner, we'd be adopting anyway. I've tried to get my tubes tied. My doctor refuses to even discuss it. Other doctors won't see me regarding this issue. This is a common problem among women these days, it has been for a long time. The reasoning they give is always 'oh but what if you change your mind' or 'what would your husband think'. The entire system is stacked against AFAB people. They want us to keep making people to populate the working class, otherwise the capitalist system will collapse.

[@ImAlsoMerobiba]

@@Hoo88846 congratulations on making a point that was implied from the start, and doesn't add anything to the discussion.

[@jojothebogwitch]

After being incredibly depressed about the results of the RvW case last week, thank you for making me laugh again. I really hope that we can win this fight for women everywhere

[@youtubesucks1821]

Yes how depressing that you can no longer kill babies in states you don't live in. How do you people all of a sudden know what a woman is?

[@conniethesconnie]

You can. But, do it the right way this time. Rather than have a liberal activist court create a "right" that undermined every ruling which had come before through a series of legal gymnastics that are so thin the only way they have held up is that the court has since held it can't undo this since it would undermine the integrity of the institution. What is the right way? Change the source of the problem. Add an amendment to the Constitution. The problem isn't constructionist judges who rule against an unenumerated right rather it is the reliance on activist judges - since they will have to be liberal activists. Change the source and those who follow the doctrine of original intent will switch their rulings. Protesting outside their courts will accomplish nothing.

[@evidenceincreation9520]

Science is conclusive to say that an individual, unique human life begins at fertilization. Therefore, abortion is murder.

[@garystahler9112]

Roe V wade as been overturned WIIN.

[@12inter88]

My cousin got raped at 16. She got an abortion because the trauma of the rape and then to find out you got pregnant is…well friggin traumatic. If that happened today, and in some states they want to ban abortion EVEN in cases of rape and incest…that’s fucking sick.

[@cozycasasmr4510]

My younger cousin is growing up in one of those states and I'm so scared for her.

[@fouzimam1283]

People should learn to respect woman and should not be involved in such crimes.

[@cozycasasmr4510]

@@fouzimam1283 that's not going to happen any time soon

[@JaneDoe12573]

My state, Michigan, bans ALL abortions. No exception for rape.

[@JaneDoe12573]

@@cozycasasmr4510 Yeah, non-relation rape has been illegal for thousands of years (spousal rape didn't become illegal in the U.S. til the 1970's). It's still happening though.

[@AriKitsune19]

One of my best friends committed suicide because she couldn't get an abortion due to being raped after she moved out of Ohio. Having to live without her being bubbly and cheering me up - it hurts. So, banning abortion shouldn't be a law. Rape and incest as well as medical issues is a perfect reason to get an abortion. Telling a woman to do with her own body is wrong.

[@pazamour]

Oh my God. I'm so sorry and so angry. My birth control failed me bc of my epilepsy medication. I'm pregnant with a man's child who lied about everything! His job, the number of kids he had (said he had 2, he has 6), whether or not he was married (told me he was divorced & sent me fake divorce papers, he's married), he put a tracker in my car and sent me in to be hospitalized for depression and after that put a tracker in my car. I am trying to file a restraining order against him, bc he hospitalized me, the cops thought I put the tracker in to frame him! Wtf?!? It was one of those Apple airpod things. The cops have not followed up and he still sends me flowers and shit to harass me. Manipulative aholes like this should be having mandatory vasectomies for rapes or if they aren't providing for their children above the poverty line. There should be regulations and bodily rights taken away from men again too. It's soooo fucked. The guy that raped your friend should obviously be in jail too. I've been raped and sexually assaulted before and never reported any of it. The rape, I was just a kid and terrified. The sexual assault, if I knew who those guys were that took me... I would have filed a report. I was in LA and terrified and just fucking happy to get back to my hotel and safe again. I just wanted to get home and couldn't believe what had happened. The last thing I wanted to do was go to the police station and miss my flight and relive everything. The shit is soooo fucked. I wasn't on drugs, just a little tipsy and taken advantage of and scared af. Glad to be alive though. Men deserve more fng consequences, this shit happens WAY too often and BTW Amber Heard should go to hell for making people question women. She does all our sisters such a disservice!

[@AriKitsune19]

@@pazamour I completely agree with you. I was raped and that took my virtue at 13, yet I was called every name in the book for something I didn't ask for. Once the whole high school heard what actually happened, everyone apologized. || As for my friend's rapist, he was killed in the prison for something else he did. But yeah, men need restrictions for sexual stuff too. Like my biological father, he has 20 kids; once the woman is done with him, he pretends that the kids isn't his and moves onto the next woman. Men like that need mandatory vasectomies. And thanks. Kay's in a better place and she won't have to suffer anymore. ❤️

[@vreeker40]

@@pazamour Great post, but I would just say that people were questioning women long before Amber Heard.

[@bluebomber-]

nope...not wrong...not at all....there are exceptions,sure....but overall,murder is still wrong,no matter how you try to talk it up

[@JoeyJoeJoeJr.Shabadoo]

@@bluebomber- too bad for you, you're wrong. Opinion rejected.

[@MrDinmaker]

John, as an Irish citizen, I think you're one of the only people who sounds like that who I'm 100% okay with speaking about ireland's history

[@tomgreen2737]

Why wouldn't we be proud about talking about our history. we took the war to the British we brought it to their doorstep. they soon discovered we were the wrong people to mess with.

[@darlalathan6143]

I'm thinking Ireland may become my new home, now!

[@killerluuk]

He's not Irish, the joke went right over your head

[@7StarsMA]

@@killerluuk no it didn't re-read it.

[@YouTubeSupportSucks]

@@killerluuk reread the comment lmao

[@faye626]

Still can't believe that a man who cried over beer just took away my bodily autonomy

[@mathildeyoung1823]

No, they said states could decide whether a woman could kill her unborn child or not...

[@iloveplasticbottles]

Even worse, it was taken by a rapist who cried about beer, and only got in after the Republican Senate refused to let Obama appoint a supreme court justice to replace RBG because, as they said, his term was almost over. It's weird how they let Trump appoint a justice when his term was almost over, though.

[@mathildeyoung1823]

@@iloveplasticbottles A rapist lol... you're funny...

[@renatocorvaro6924]

I can believe it. After all, he's been credibly accused of taking away a woman's bodily autonomy before.

[@mathildeyoung1823]

@@renatocorvaro6924 "credibly" lol....

[@natalianamyslowska3799]

Hi, I’m from Poland. Exactly two years ago the same situation was happening here in Poland. Since Poland is a country that consists mostly of Christians and elderly people who chose the far-right government that we currently have, abortion has been a very controversial topic. During the peak of the pandemic while people were forced to quarantine at home the government decided that they want to impose an abortion ban. Despite multiple protests that people attended risking their lives because of Covid the government still went through with it. The ban applied also in the instances of fatal fetus illness. Soon after, there was the first death of a woman who died because of a septic shock because doctors couldn’t remove the fetus after it died. The woman was already a mother to two kids. After that more instances were made public of women dying because the doctor’s hands were bound by law. Multiple women also shared their stories of miscarriages and how badly they were treated because of it. To take things further the government made a law saying that anyone who gets an abortion or performs it faces up to 3 years in prison. I’m afraid to live in a country where I’m treated as a replaceable incubator. Please don’t let them do it in the US as well.

[@amandap.8092]

Wow, that's heartbreaking. So many kids are going to end up motherless because of these barbaric laws. I'm furious.

[@unrealmrg]

I think we're not on the same team, but I also didn't like what happened after they changed abortion law in Poland. However, in general we're talking about a 1000 abortions a year in Poland, while the US have like 2000 abortions a day. I'm afraid that in America the problem lies somewhere else than legal issues and abortions will stay where they are, but I might be wrong.

[@leepiekiel1740]

Do doctors in Poland not have the Hippocratic Oath? I want to know as I plan on going to Poland and would like to know whether my health may be jeopardized or not by incompetent "medical professionals"?

[@dsddala467]

@@unrealmrg What is the difference in population between Poland the US? Shear numbers mean nothing. And if birth control were free and easily available to anyone who needs it, there would instantly be less abortions. It's hard to get well woman care and thereby birth control treatment.

[@natalianamyslowska3799]

@@leepiekiel1740 they do but unfortunately when they face up to 3 years in prison for removing even an already dead fetus it’s too risky for some and they choose to obey the government when it comes to it

[@muffinbutton2873]

My Dad was telling me that all a woman needs to do is take care of herself for 9 months and just have the baby - it's as simple as that. I think his ideas of the emotional and physical tolls of not only bringing a baby to term but delivering and adopting out the child speaks to reason why this is a debate to begin with. Also, how my mom, his wife, responded best summarizes how the pro choice feels about pro life: "Your father is an ass."

[@OK-pi6fq]

Should the government have the legal right to force people to use their bodies against their will to save the life of another person? Even at risk Of death, quality of life, physical damage to self, and financial ruin? Body autonomy is important. We even award it to our dead.

[@annaharper1657]

No your father is wise and it's too bad you didn't inherit the "decent human being gene" that all pro-lifers have. Like ya... If you have sex you knew the potential consequences. You can't murder a baby to run away from the problems you created!

[@annaharper1657]

Don't want a baby? Here's an idea... Close yer damn legs and open a bible, ya?

[@simonb4689]

You think there is no official and emotion toil to killing your baby in the womb?

[@liesel16]

Your mom sounds cool!

[@ladyivyanna9612]

I will never understand why judges in US can openly flash their party affiliations. Aren't judges suposed to be unbiased?

[@lordbread2083]

Thats the idea

[@joaopedrooliveira590]

No. Judges in the US are political appointed.

[@praiha]

Only in democratic countries

[@HowToChangeName]

As long as lobbying still a thing, this bullshit will remains

[@Speederzzz]

Makes you think that, practically, the USA does not have a trias politica

[@131jarhead]

The question we need to ask the Supreme Court is "how do feel about orphans, like a lot of them?"

[@conniethesconnie]

You are asking the wrong question. There are three types of justices. The first two are activist judges. These are those who find a way to bend the law to fit their political and social views. This is all most progressives worry about since things like "abortion rights" were created by a liberal activists on the Warren Court. So now too many just view those who side against us as conservatives. This brings us to the ignored third type. The judges who try to focus on applying the law while leaving their emotions and personal beliefs out of it. Why would their feelings matter? They believe they are doing their best when they give verdicts that follow laws they disagree with. In their world legislatures write laws and courts just enforce them. The real question is why have the past generations of progressives failed us? Why have they relied on a shoddy ruling to protect reproductive freedom? Why not pass an amendment so the Constitution is on the side of reproductive freedom? Why put us at odds with judges who take a literal look at the law? Why were stuck hoping that half the justices would be liberal activists when the person appointing them is Republican half the time?

[@1Letter23Numbers.]

Amy the Con loves orphans. It's how she's building her collection of kids, I mean family, now that her uterus is broken.

[@PraiseTheFSMonster]

When I had an abortion I was in an abusive relationships, just diagnosed with a brain disorder, living in a trailer park, and blood tests showed that my body was starving. Getting an abortion was the best decision I ever made, and it's the reason I'm a successful person now.

[@matthewleahy4363]

I don't remember this passage in the bible Jesus

[@kylegonewild]

@@matthewleahy4363 Probably because of that whole Council of Nicaea thing where they edited out all the cool parts.

[@MrDoggysmut]

So basically a human sacrifice for another succesfull one. I always knew you arent that nice, Jesus!

[@karlstumpff8624]

@@MrDoggysmut Can you please define a medically necessary abortion that, if left unperformed, would result in the mothers death? Just another human sacrifice to you?

[@katelinkeeney8903]

I have a somewhat similar story. It was the right choice for me. It was a highly personal and health related choice. I am saddened beyond words at the rhetoric on this topic. I attended a church service on mother's day and the preacher actually said, from the pulpit, that he has been praying that roe v Wade is overturned.

[@ritajohnson5594]

My daughter's best friend has lupus and found out she was pregnant and wanted this 3rd child. lupus was and it destroying her body shutting down her kidneys and at 26 weeks had to make the hard choice to end the pregnancy her body could not support them both. It took months and several chemo infusions to get her back to somewhat balance that baby would not have survived. Hard choices that each woman must face but it is her choice

[@bernpri7580]

That is a very rare situation over 80 percent of abortions are , just because , abortions. There's multiple other options before abortion. The day after pill, condom, birth Control, and other options I won't list. If the 80 percent of women who have sec don't want kids , be responsible, deal with the consequences or don't have sex.

[@hansakkerman2611]

@@bernpri7580 why is it always her fault, and not the scumbag that didn't want to use a condom?

[@EnigmaticHandbags91]

@@bernpri7580 don't have sex? i'm married, and we already have 2 kids, he has liver failure and stays home with the kids as he cannot work and i work a full time hard labor factory job, and food delivery on the weekend to support the 4 of us. we have sex like every fking married couple on the planet, and out of the hundreds of times we've had sex, i fked up once or twice, i'm human and forgot to take a pill, well now i'm pregnant again, and we cannot afford for me to be out of work for even a week, i wouldn't last long doing hard labor pregnant, and it'd be about a month after i give birth b4 i can go back. so tell me, should i let my entire family, my 2 little ones i already have, go homeless and starve for the sake of the tiny marble sized sack fetus? i'm going to need about $3000 a month to support my family of 4 while i'm out of work, are u going to pay? thank u soooo much, didn't realize how much u pro lifers truly cared about life you were actually willing to pay for it!!!! here's my cash app: $ktstach

[@Kat-lm5rk]

@@bernpri7580 Sex education in this country barley exists, condoms aren't 100%, birth control could fail, not everyone can afford birth control, and abstinence shouldn't be forced onto people simply because you say so. Saying "deal with the consequences" is severely tone deaf as it's not only the parent dealing with the consequences, newsflash the child will have to deal with them too. If you force people to have children, they will mistreat them, may not be able to fund them, or might die because of them. If the child goes to foster care, it could be traumatizing as over 30 % of children in foster care are abused. Lawmakers want to ban abortions in cases of rape, incest and ectopic pregnancies. This will lead to higher rates of women dying. Women are not baby incubators and should not be expected to put the life of a chunk of cells first over their own. Women do not need to carry a pregnancy to term simply because they're expected to. Your religion or faith does not dictate the world. Believing that life begins at conception because you believe in the soul does not make it true, there is separation of church and state for a reason, because not everyone is religious and not everyone should have to submit to the teachings of certain religions. Saying be responsible is simply stupid because they're doing exactly that by having an abortion and not forcing a child into this world simply because you think that's the right thing to do.

[@isabelmariaguzmanmiranda706]

@@bernpri7580 Tell the same to the men who have sex with them.

[@joannaphillips897]

What makes me angry that I have been saying over and over again: they are coming for women’s abortion rights. But I got scoffed at and told “you are overreacting.” They have been TELLING us they were going to do this. They have been working towards this outcome. People just put their heads in the sand and hoped it would go away. Thanks a lot. And this is just the beginning.

[@wayfaring_stranger_]

YUP. I got told I was overreacting too. The writing was on the wall. Now people are just getting angry? Better late than never I suppose.

[@kittykittybangbang9367]

Guys will say that women are overreacting, until they have to pay for child support for an unwanted child

[@Corbomite_Meatballs]

@@kittykittybangbang9367 Assuming they actually get taken to court, have a judgement against them, and then get the money taken out of their check (if they refuse to pay it in the first place or can even be found).

[@The1redman2]

Well maybe you shouldn't murder babies for no actual reason.

[@suzalasuzala1135]

they are not just interested in women's rights, but, women's power; in the work place and at home. Read footnote 46 or Alita's missive. one of the reasons he gives that women should not be able to have abortions is that there are very few babies in the US now available for adoption. So basically we are just here to produce more babies for people who can't conceive. Welcome to the handmaid's tale. They want us home barefoot, pregnant and uneducated to let them have all their power back. ,

[@Eckertainment]

Watching this shortly after I found out it as officially over turned. Thank you for the Elmo joke. I NEEDED a good chuckle after how pissed I am over this.

[@mathildeyoung1823]

awwwww. pissed that you won't be able to kill your unborn child. too bad. How about people be RESPONSIBLE for their offspring - born and unborn. Not whine about not being able to kill them

[@sillerbarly4927]

Know that feeling

[@mathildeyoung1823]

It's deeply concerning that some people think it's a-ok for a woman to kill her unborn child for any lame reason she wants....

[@Anvilman]

@@mathildeyoung1823 There's nothing horrible about women having control over their own bodies, no matter how blatantly you try to twist it

[@mathildeyoung1823]

@@Anvilman It's not me doing the twisting.... By your "logic" punching a child needs to be legal because that's just an evil parent controlling their own body (fists).... Just like child abuse isn't about an evil person doing something with their body (fists), abortion isn't about a woman doing something with her body - it's about killing another innocent human being. And that needs to be illegal.

[@Rat.G]

The scariest line in this show was, “Under the current Supreme Court, your basic rights today, could become crimes tomorrow.”

[@deejkdeejk]

please explain how aborting your child is a basic right

[@kelleyg4894]

Terrifying and poignant.

[@WordoftheFree]

Tell that to gun owners in several states, where they had the right to bare arms one day and the next day they were made felon's...... I have no sympathy for you're argument.....

[@rectaldestructionisnotlove4091]

@@WordoftheFree Guns protect the population. And that is no good. The population must dye. If it harms the population, then it is a right. If it helps, then it is not. That is how Dems think. Because they nots. Hopefully forced medication reinstated will be next for the Supreme Court.

[@simplenough]

@@WordoftheFree were those legally purchased firearms?

[@KaBeeM]

As George Carlin put it: You don't have rights. You have privileges. A list of temporary privilges. And if you read the news even just badly you can see that the list gets shorter and shorter every year.

[@lindseyyoung9149]

@@hanlildan9779 So let me get this straight, it's not ok for the government to take your rights away because of a PANDEMIC but it's OK for them to di the same regarding abortion for women? I've seen your comments all over here and you are an absolute donkey. Guaranteed you live in your mom's basement working on your next entrepreneurial endeavor. 🙄

[@spiderodoom]

RIP George Carlin, he’s rolling in his grave so hard he’s about made a tunnel out…

[@noahgray543]

@@hanlildan9779 ...the government didn't take any rights away due to covid. It has been a long established part of all of those rights that, in a dire emergency or under particular circumstances, the State may temporarily restrict them. That is why you have the right to free speech, but can still be prosecuted for telling classified information to someone. That is why you have the right to own a gun, but not the right to own an armor piercing military issue sniper rifle. That is why you have the right to faith and your beliefs, but not the right to sacrifice humans to the Aztec sun god. It isn't anyone's fault but your own that you were not educated enough about the restrictions and caveats that came with your rights - is what I would like to say. But really, this should be taught in public schools so that people understand their rights better.

[@bonniejunk]

@@hanlildan9779 covid did not take anyone's rights

[@lindseyyoung9149]

@@spiderodoom No doubt!

[@antonleimbach648]

Thank you for highlighting the Democratic Party’s limp support of abortion rights in America. Your show is the only one who showed how weak the Democratic Party has been on this issue.

[@nickjacobs8507]

I agree! we should kill more children!

[@ForeverAmber_1]

Jimmy Dore has been talking about this very thing, though I guess not too many lefties are into him (even though he's generally on the left, he is considered more conservative b/c of his criticism of the Democratic party.).

[@rcrztt]

You're close... most people who criticize the Dems as weak, Dore included, are actually to the *left* of the largely centrist Democratic party (which deserves to die a quick death, to be clear).

[@kevinc8955]

Democrats should never have made abortion foundational to begin with. Single payer, mandatory livable wage…the end. 2 issues every candidate must support. Any other issue, pick whatever is popular locally, even if they’re prolife. Think of it this way. Walmart sells spermicidal lube in one of their aisles, they may even put it on sale every once in a while, but they don’t advertise it to every customer that walks in. Your foundational issues are the ads you’re willing to run in the paper and on your website.

[@rcrztt]

@@kevinc8955 I agree, but I don't know if it's strictly the Ds who have made it foundational. Both parties have been fundraising off it for decades, and right to abortion has been an avatar of power more than a healthcare concern for almost as long. Planned Parenthood has been a Dem political org for ages, though, and PP bears most of the responsibility for torpedoing real womens' health clinics in blue states, so... Regardless, I agree w/ you on single payer/living wage, both issues that Ds have lied about supporting and then deliberately shit the bed on, so maybe demanding cagey politicking is asking a bit much.

[@andrew4363]

Please remember: if you take a pregnancy test, after your period is a SINGLE DAY late, you are 4 weeks and one day pregnant. Even if you only had sex one week ago.

[@NoNameAtAll2]

how so?

[@andrew4363]

@@NoNameAtAll2 just biology, the development of the foetus i believe correlated with your cycle.

[@letolethe3344]

All this notion about a period being "late" by a couple of days is so much crap. No one I know gets their period without at least a couple of days of variation. Women's bodies aren't clocks.

[@andrew4363]

@@letolethe3344 that’s kinda the point i’m making… there is no way to know that you’re 4 weeks pregnant at times

[@___3988]

@@NoNameAtAll2 because when the doctor is determining how many weeks pregnant you are, they go by the first day of your last period. So if your last period was 5 weeks ago they will say that you're 5 weeks pregnant - even if the only time you had sex was 2 weeks ago.

[@Brian-tn4cd]

I am so fucking tired of the argument of "just leave the state you live in" and "you have choice" no you dont, i traveled to many different countries as a kid due to my parents jobs i never decided anything, i never had a choice for the environment i grew up in i dont even have an idea in my head how to identify myself due to all the places i lived in, but even now as i settle in Mexico i find the idea to just "move to another state" for something that should by all means be a human right ludicrous, its expensive as hell, you lose all contacts and relationships, jobs dont allow you to just willy nilly take a week or two off or come with you if its permanent, and you are primed to be ostracized moving to somewhere that can have fundamentally different ways of thought than you. When i hear people say "you have the choice to go somewhere else" all i hear is "get fucked i dont give a shit it doesn't affect me"

[@TitularHeroine]

Thank you. That woman in the interview clip had no goddam common sense.

[@SplendidFellow]

Hear, hear!

[@hamatlante1280]

This "logic" is the same of Ben Shapiro when his solution tu climate change is "lol just sell the house(to whom?!?) and move"

[@TheBombanater]

If "you have a choice" was true Id be living in Canada, Australia, or new Zealand. Cause I emotionally gave up on this shit show even before the orangutan

[@TitularHeroine]

@@TheBombanater 😂😂 Oh dam'. Totally agree. That wording though was pure gold.

[@meadowrae1491]

"People can just leave!" Do you know how hard it is to move when you have no economic/familial ties to where you're going? In WV "getting out" is just part of the vocabulary starting in middle/high school. Some of us just don't make it. ESPECIALLY if you have a kid, you're kind of stuck where your family is.

[@gfkxj123]

Its literally that stupid fucking ben shapiro take all over again, "House underwater, just sell your house 5head." TO FUCKING WHO BEN AQUA MAN -This joke brought to you by Hbomberguy.

[@Nivolk_J]

And some of the proposed laws are making leaving to get an abortion a criminal act.

[@LittleHobbit13]

Also, why is "you can just leave" never the advice _they_ follow? If you didn't like living in a country that supported abortions, why didn't you all just leave?

[@jodinsan]

If the GOP had their way, "just leave" would also be an impossibility because abortion would be illegal in _every state._ Also, for a party that _frequently_ complains about divisiveness, Republicans and their voters *_love_* to use the "if you don't like it just go away and leave me alone" argument a lot.

[@Julia-lk8jn]

Honestly, I'm glad I'm not even on the same continent as that uninformed cynical blonde b----, because I want to slap her so much. If the best way to justify a decision or a law is "well, you can just give up your house, job and social network - actual social network, not some glitzy data kraken - to move away", then that law is probably hideously unjust and unreasonable. If she understands anything at all about this issue, I'd say it's that *she* has enough money to make it out of a state or even out of the nation, have a nice little holiday in France or the Netherlands, and come back completely baby-free.

[@missburn]

It is interesting that when you check out the Men's Rights subreddit you'll see a lot of men supporting the ban on abortions, even though they previously complained about men being forced into fatherhood. Make it make sense.

[@kamilos3925]

Revenge. I don't believe for a second this is a religious issue. It's a power and revenge issue. There's many people out there who resent their lives and being born and they want others to suffer the same way they have suffered. Those same people tend to pursue power to mask the pain of their suffering. So what happens is you have people in control who want to share their pain (and resentment) with the world and you get things like a ban on abortion (or attacking minorities) as a result. It's less an attack on actual women, which of course it is, and more a symbolic attack on the proto-woman aka "Mom".

[@Kira1Lawliet]

^ This. Previous commenter is on point with this, but I would clarify one bit. I do think it is about revenge, but it's specifically about revenge on women, rather than a general undirected retribution. These types of men are more than anything relentlessly bitter about how lonely they are and about how they can never get laid. They obsess over it day and night. They fantasize about being able to have a woman under their thumb whom they don't have to work to court, or please, or compromise with. These are men who were fed their entire lives on unrealistic fantasies fed to them by our media about how romance is supposed to work. And when they grew up and realized that their fantasies of romantic interaction conflicted with the reality of social interaction with real women, they didn't know how to adapt, and ended up as one of these sad, miserable, hateful spite-mongers who despise the fact that the world doesn't work the way they thought it would, and who hate the fact that gaining sxual intimacy actually takes a good deal of personal and interpersonal effort. So, instead of bettering themselves, which would take work, they instead prefer to let their resentment fester and take over their waking lives. People underestimate how addictive the emotions of contempt and self-pity can be. And these men take any chance they can to punish women for making them have to work for their affections. To them, it's about being denied a supposed birthright to female companionship. Any other justification they use for it is a hollow lie. I understand these people because at one point long ago I was at the tipping point of becoming one of them myself. And a lot of men don't grow out of it, because growing up and taking responsibility for your life is hard. It's much easier to inflict pain and control on others as a way of expressing your discontent with reality. Ultimately, it really just comes down to the bigger problem with all conservatives throughout history-entitled people (usually, but not entirely, men) who think that they are the only people who deserve rights and privileges in society, and that everyone else should be made to bend to their will. Every justification used for racism, for sexism, for slavery, for corporate greed and lobbying, for controlling and indoctrinating children-all of it comes back to a desperate need to control others. It's as simple as that. And it's the reason why we need to stop treating conservatives like a legitimate political group with a legitimate political ideology. It's just selfishness. Selfishness, hate, and greed. That's all they are, and all they ever have been. And we need to purge conservatism from our society entirely.

[@missburn]

@@kamilos3925 But still, I dont understand why they would create more problems for themselves if they REALLY believe women have power over their sperm.

[@Weirdkauz]

@@missburn it's not the same "they". "Men" is a category filled with everything from Tarzan to Sheldon Cooper.

[@yoij-ov3sd]

ugh

[@Ahdtsjjjtdyhjryik]

Calling a fetus an unborn person is the logical equivalent of calling a person an unkilled corpse.

[@neku2741]

Nah, the way I see it, a fetus is a like a coma patient, they make wake up one day and abortion is you pulling them out of health support.

[@joshhorley2116]

More than 70% of living people actually end up as corpses so even this doesn’t quite demonstrate the stupidity

[@tingleehoong5797]

That was enlightening

[@connormccloud5440]

​@@tripsupstairs besides not having a choice in who or how many people see you naked, or if a doctor or an actual butcher is cutting you open and poking around your organs. Heck, most jurisdictions don't even check to make sure the coroner isn't a necrophile

[@Kneestonelight]

Unborn person is the equivalent of not yet alive person…..it shouldn’t be “first heartbeat” it should be first breath of fresh air…..people don’t breathe in a placenta goo environment and people don’t receive nourishment from an organic tube thru your belly button…..those two facts should objectively override the “heartbeat” argument 🙄🙄

[@privatenorby]

The most important fact to remember here imo, is that banning abortions won't stop them. It will just make them more dangerous. If someone really wants an abortion they are going to get one regardless of it its legal, even if it means using a coat hanger in a back alley. Not to mention that if this were really about the children, then the people pushing these bans would also support guaranteed maternal leave, a better healthcare system, and access to financial aid to keep said children healthy and out of poverty. But they're not, because this isn't about the children, it never was and never will be; it's about maintaining control over women by any means possible

[@TexasRiverRat31254]

That sums it up!

[@wombat8812]

That, and it's about kissing the boot heels of an imaginary man that lives in the sky. This country is fifty shades of fucked.

[@chriskoschik391]

Just to play Devil’s advocate; Roe vs Wade should never have been decided at the Federal level. The 10th amendment has always been there and it should have always been up to the states. The Federal government was created to do pretty much 3 things: 1. Print money 2. Form an army 3. Protect state rights The idea that this means abortions will be banned is dishonest. There will be 50 individual decisions by 50 states, which is the way it was intended. That being said, I HIGHLY doubt these justices give 2 shits about abortions. I see this as just another ploy to divide us even further. First it was BLM, then the vaccines, then the sexual/gender discussions with children, and now abortion. We are all being played.

[@nobodyspecial4702]

@@chriskoschik391 Sure we are, and where's your stance on Mitch McConnell admitting that banning abortions on the federal level is now on the table. Is that just another attempt to divide the nation because, yeah, if that happens you can expect a hell of an upsurge in destructive riots.

[@chriskoschik391]

@@nobodyspecial4702 all Mitch McConnell DOES is divide people so, yes, he’s just playing his part and saying what he’s been told to say. He’s literally the last person I would point to in meaning what he says or backing it up.

[@huggymchug]

Even if you could switch an 'on' or 'off' switch on a uterus, and accidental pregnancies no longer happened, abortion would still be a neccesary medical procedure. It's not that difficult of a concept.

[@onlymostlytrash1573]

Ironically if you could eliminate all the unwanted pregnancies the pro lifers might actually get less pissy. Scapegoating all abortions as being caused by people being too irresponsible or lazy is pretty common.

[@robin9740]

@@onlymostlytrash1573 The point is that that's not what abortion is. Abortion is not just a "I don't want it"-procedure. It is a lifesaving procedure.

[@onlymostlytrash1573]

@@robin9740 I'm not arguing that at all. I'm suggesting that if you polled pro life people on the % of abortions they think are due to unwanted pregnancies they would say a very high percentage, well beyond real numbers. They seem belief that the vast majority of abortions are of that nature meaning they are inherently controllable and/avoidable. If those pregnancies were somehow eliminated they would be forced to look at the myriad of other reasons abortions happen.

[@ScottCleve33]

You can eliminate probably more than 99.5% of them. And with the knowledge and technology we have today that's almost the same as switching off a uterus as it would be almost literally impossible to get pregnant if people followed simple steps. Most abortions aren't needed because of accidents but because of laziness and carelessness.

[@ScottCleve33]

@@robin9740 Bull$hit.

[@The_Real_Maxajax]

I am from the Netherlands. Since we use Viability as the boundary, someone can get an abortion until the 22nd week. We feel that is a healthy middle ground between respecting the mother's right to choose and not forcing doctors to abort pregnancies that are so far in that you could consider it a fit-for-life Human. Contraceptives and condoms are readily available, sexual education is mandatory, and we got a pretty good child support law in the 40s. I was not expecting that the USA would do half of it's citizens dirty by taking their rights away. But since they're so keen on telling people who don't like it to leave the country, feel free to consider moving back here. The language might be a pain in the ass but we all learn English in secondary school anyway so who cares.

[@TheMightyPatapon]

You'd think the U.S. would do something sensible like that, however, it's quite good at just being the worst in the developed world.

[@hedgehog3180]

The reason for most limits on abortions actually have nothing to do with ethics and are just about the fact that after the third month abortions become significantly more complicated and dangerous, essentially being an artificially induced miscarriage. So at that point it might actually be safer, or at least carry less risk, to carry the pregnancy to term, so usually abortions in those situations will only be allowed if there's a good enough reason to do it, like medical risk or rape. Importantly in these laws it's not illegal to have an abortion after that term, it just won't be available purely at the discretion of the pregnant person so like doctors will actually be able to make an assessment based on medical necessity or something like rape without having to worry about breaking the law.

[@The_Real_Maxajax]

@@hedgehog3180 That's an ethics thing too tbh, because if the operation becomes more dangerous, then the doctor is being asked to perform an operation that puts the mother's life in jeopardy, and understandably, the overwhelming majority of them don't want that to happen because it would be bad.

[@_BenJaminCroft_]

Agreed. The common ground where I think we can all agree on is if it is a product of rape, incest or if it is life threatening to the mother and/or baby. And that there are several preemptive options available instead of an abortion, such as... Abstinence Marriage Adoption Contraceptives Education Awareness I'm not for an out right ban of abortions, nor am I in favor of abortions all the way up to birth. Any one of these far-left and far-right ideas, to me at least, are asinine of the greatest magnitude.

[@isaac3140]

@@_BenJaminCroft_ no, that is not the common ground, that's just your insane opinion. The real common ground is letting people who want abortions to have abortions, and letting people who don't want abortions not have abortions

[@Momoftwoboysandonecat]

My son was born in 2020. We knew before his birth he would have a life threatening congenital defect called CDH. Without LIFE SAVING surgery he would not live. I got a call, I was offered an abortion but since I am in Texas and I was 27 weeks along, I would have to fly out. My husband and I talked about it, we said no, we wanted to give him a chance. We did. He spent a week on life support, he had his diaphragm repaired, his organs placed where they should be. And he is almost 19 months today. Now, if you made it this far. I am NOT against abortion. I live with NICU PTSD. I lived through anxiety attacks. I know this life is not for everyone. I am grateful I was offered the abortion. It is not what I wanted, but that doesn't mean someone else should not be offered that choice.

[@mathildeyoung1823]

Should parents have the option to stab their newborns to death if they are born with birth defects not seen before birth? NO. Men and women shouldn't have the option to kill their unborn child because they might have a birth defect either.. (men cannot do it even if they think they might end up with PTSD (which I'm sorry you had)... women shouldn't be able to either).

[@krasmasov6852]

Hell yeah. The choice is what matters.

[@mathildeyoung1823]

@@krasmasov6852 Interesting how you hide behind the word "choice" like it's a good thing. Is the "choice" to abuse a dog or cat a good thing? Some choices need to be illegal - like the choice to kill a child, born or unborn.

[@jelenamitrovic1265]

this ♡

[@kimlisia7458]

Couldn't agree more. Our daughter was showing signs of brain abnormality in some early scans and we were offered an abortion, we decided against it, by the time she was born the abnormality had gone and she is a normal little girl. It was our choice and someone in our situation also is entitled to their own choice. The only person who has any right to talk to someone about the idea of an abortion is the mother, father, their trusted chosen physician.

[@ConsRoxMySox]

As an Irish person, me and my friends were just talking about how wild it is that in our lifetime Ireland has gotten more and more progressive (when I was born divorce was illegal in Ireland, now there's been referendums passing marriage equality and abortion) as things in the US seem to go backwards. Also I love how everytime John brings up Ireland it's followed with "and that's all I'm going to say because I sound like this" haha.

[@teacherguy5084]

That's what we need in the US, referendums, not legislatures full of males, making these decisions.

[@dyslexeon5900]

his mechanic has an irish accent. he know his limits

[@ikocheratcr]

One clear word: referendums. In Europe and some other countries referendum are "normal", the people decide, not the sad thing we get in other places of the world, where some "elected politicians" think they have the right over all the population as they see fit and will.

[@notforsale5967]

Irish fought the British as Nationalist and as Catholic for how many hundreds of years ? only to Elect a Gay Indian who is flooding Ireland with Millions of Indians and Muslims. Progressive? In 20 years there will be no Irish people in Ireland. And You call that progress!

[@bonniea8189]

@@ikocheratcr California has something similar to referendums (ballot propositions), but unfortunately it doesn't always work out well. Prop 22 recently passed, allowing companies that employ gig workers (i.e. Uber, etc.) to continue not classifying workers as employees, so as not to pay them wages, benefits, and a host of other things. In fact, it ended up creating this weird hybrid classification of employee that's somewhere between a full time employee and an independent contractor, but without much of the benefits of either classification (from the perspective of the employee). You can bet other employers will be eyeing that new labor classification to see if they can use it too. And even though this was only in California, it'll spread to the other states. Why did the people vote this in? Money. Massive ad campaigns by Uber et al. to convince voters that Uber drivers wanted Prop. 22 to pass.

[@Aurora-wh9rk]

I was raised in a extremely strict "republican Christian" household where no matter who the republican was that is the person we must follow because somehow republican = Christian. All things were wrong(abortion, divorce, drinking, ect oh except death penalty that was OK and yes I am from Texas) and amazingly my family absolutely backed trump despite the abundantly clear fact he violated every Christian belief they held so dear. Despite having this insanity beaten into my head throughout my childhood and to be perfectly honest I myself would probably not have an abortion I am not capable of understanding why it is anyone else's business what you do with your body. I've asked my family multiple times to explain to me why they think it's ok to interfere with a strangers life and body and the only response I get is that it is a sin. Christians guess what? We are all guilty of sin and the Bible itself states, "let he who is without sin cast the first stone. John 8:7" My own sister in law was forced into this decision when she learned she had a heart condition and that if she carried out the pregnancy it was very likely it would kill her and the baby. My family turned on her telling her if God wants you to live he will let you. Similarly when I asked what about a child who gets assaulted and ends up pregnant their response was that God wants that child to be brought into the world. I am so ashamed of their beliefs and pure cruelty to other humans. I do not believe that God approves of their behavior and if Christians spent half as much time working on themselves and their sins as they do trying to inject themselves into everyone else's life the world might be a better place. I do not care this subject is what has dealt the final blow to my family and I's relationship. I refuse to sit quietly by and allow monsters to believe they have a right to dictate someone else's future. The pure fact that anyone could be this entitled is absolutely abhorrent!

[@briancurtis6022]

Because Republican Christians always put the "Republican" part first. They just use the "Christian" thing to justify their appalling attitudes and actions as they push for fascism and empire.

[@loosilu]

Let's be clear about this. Now matter how they couch their words, it is NOT about saving the life of a child. It is about punishing women.

[@DraciaNightcat]

I do think people like your family members use religion as justification to be bad people. I'm sorry to say that but that's how they seem to behave.

[@Aurora-wh9rk]

@@DraciaNightcat sadly, I have to agree. 😔

[@jenwendy7]

So many people seem to be born without empathy. I just don't understand it. What you describe is more like a cult than actual faith. Glad you're breaking the cycle. Best to you ❤

[@RogueSpectre749]

Welcome back everybody. I'm not at all surprised we're here as promised, yet it still cuts deep

[@mathildeyoung1823]

hopefully less human beings will be cut from the womb and killed after this ruling

[@mariapaularubianoa.6890]

I'm from Colombia, and I can assure you the activists who led the fight to decriminalize abortion are as hardcore and dedicated as John Oliver perceives them to be 💚💜

[@turnerturner3281]

Well done then, to you ladies! So happy for all of you!

[@dacksonflux]

Congrats! I hope it lasts for you

[@joshitheyoshi2533]

Definitely hardcore. Have continuous casual sex without protection and then kill the baby that results. You should be ashamed of yourself in 2022 when contraception is dirt cheap and basic self-control is all you need to avoid killing babies.

[@deniseengle4269]

Personal autonomy sounds like just a jumble of words until you realize you dont have it. Or are about to lose it. May the spirit and fevor of Columbian women infuse the fight we here in the U.S. are about to enjoin. Its not just about the right to choose to not have a child, its about freedom to be whoever you are.....

[@sgtbaker2072]

You Columbians don't mess around, that's for sure.

[@kyraleese9884]

If we harvested all the viable organs from every person who dies, we would save thousands of lives. But even a corpse has more bodily autonomy than a person who can get pregnant -- unless said corpse gave permission before they died you cannot harvest the organs - no matter how many lives it may save. But you can force a person who can get pregnant to allow their organs to be used by something that cannot live on its own and is not yet a person... people who can get pregnant have less control over their bodies than a corpse. And as soon as the person has that kid no one cares anymore. We scorn them if they need help, and waggle our fingers at them and say "Well you should have thought about that before you had a kid!" It's sick and completely ignores the possibility that the person tried not to have a child (contraceptives failed, they were raped, etc etc). We deny them help and aid.

[@simpleandhealthymama]

Well said❤️

[@TrubluFul]

PREACH!

[@pancakecosmos6080]

But the question isn't the bodily autonomy of the women, but the right to life of the fetus

[@iHeartPiMore]

Women have more rights when they’re dead. It’s pretty sad.

[@jaadams9081]

@@pancakecosmos6080 separate the fetus from the uterus during the time most people get abortions and it will die because it is not developed enough to sustain its own life outside of her body. Therefore, the living person (mother)'s rights take priority. Nobody is out here getting abortions after the fetus is developed enough to survive on its own.

[@ygnir1]

As an Irish man I proper laughed out loud when John said he wouldn't weigh in on Irish history because of his accent 😂😂

[@seanmower3926]

Can you please tell me about this lol

[@ygnir1]

@@seanmower3926 the 800 year occupation of Ireland by the English when resulted in millions of Irish that were killed or had to emigrate. Plus the current state of Northern Ireland because they refused to return it

[@MechaSpaceCaesar]

@@seanmower3926 additionally to what the other person said, look up the Cromwellian conquest of Ireland.

[@UndertakerU2ber]

@@seanmower3926 additionally to what the other person said, look up the IRA (Irish Republican Army)

[@scipioafricanus5871]

@@UndertakerU2ber additionally to what the other person said, look up "Irish Potato Famine" and "Sir Charles Trevelyan, 1st Baronet"

[@deadpoolnerd]

My view of abortion is simple let the woman actually enduring all this pressure stress and emotional distress make the decision. In every other health related decision if they capable to answer for themselves they can, why not here? And for those thinking from a life and religious aspect, then if she does decide to abort then that's a private matter for her to discuss with her God for forgiveness. And for the life aspect sometimes it's not as simple as I want an abortion, sometimes it has to be if we don't do this you can die also. And while yes tragic to think of the unknown life, it's better than someone essentially being stuck to die due to not having access to this procedure. It feels so disgusting to me that people having absolutely nothing to do with the conceiving of this pregnancy all of a sudden want full say over your life.

[@blahblahblah747]

People believe life starts at conception and thus abortion is tantamount to murder. That's it. You're not allowed to kill people, period. I don't 100% agree with this viewpoint, but that's how a lot of people see it. To be honest, I'm confused how you can't understand their perspective.

[@deadpoolnerd]

@@blahblahblah747 while yes I understand a life is a life, but that's why I say it should her to weigh all that in. The reason some need counseling and mental help after something like that is because it's such a tough decision and taking things like that into account. I just feel that should all be weighed in on the person themselves to decide and roll with afterwards. I'm not trying to sound cold against a life no, I feel what's more important is someone's right to say in what happens in life.

[@blahblahblah747]

@@deadpoolnerd Yeah, pretty sure conservatives view it quite differently from you. To them, as far as I can tell, it's simple. Abortion is murder and you should be punished if you murder innocent people, even if you're poor, mentally ill, etc, kind of similar to how they view crime. Again, I don't entirely agree with their stance.

[@hedgehog3180]

@@blahblahblah747 It's easy to understand, it's just wrong and stupid is all.

[@GrayC_2478]

@@blahblahblah747 I certainly don't understand their perspective. they don't care about sperms and unfertilized eggs, but the moment they combine, they are suddenly so important? the sperms and eggs were already alive. they are potential lives as well.

[@Hyde_Hill]

Thank you for calling them Anti Choice John. That whole re-branding to Pro Life and stealing that moniker from those fighting the death penalty is one big sham.

[@onlymostlytrash1573]

Tbh I object to usung anti choice in the same why I object to people referring to pro choice as pro murder. Taking someone's perspective and reframing it through another with as much negative connotation as possible is pretty lame.

[@The1redman2]

But that's a complete apple and orange argument, a baby is innocent that you want to murder and somebody that gets a death penalty murdered somebody and took their rights away.

[@uhlan30]

@@The1redman2 No, someone that gets the death penalty is not automatically a murderer; there’s a good chance they’re an innocent person put there by mistake. The real reason it doesn’t compare is because the death row inmate isn’t violating anyone’s bodily autonomy.

[@AlexisJoy006]

@@The1redman2 There's also a good chance that the baby turns into a murderer when it gets older

[@JP-hj1il]

how dare you tell the people that care for these fetuses they are not prolife when they send poor young boys and girls to fight a war these prolifers started, and will never send their kids to.

[@WALOWALOWALOWALOWALOWALOWALOW]

It is absolutely unreal seeing the same group of people that freaked out about fucking face masks and literally said "my body my choice" but when it comes to growing a literal human being these same people think no one should have a say over their own body

[@rectaldestructionisnotlove4091]

My body my choice is your slogan and then you forced everyone to inject industrial wastes for long life. And it ain't their body. Baby got different DNA.

[@mkuti-childress3625]

The amount of hypocrisy is mind boggling. I read recently that, while Republicans say they are against abortions, Republican women get them just as often as Democratic women-they just think that their own abortion was justified by their “special circumstances.” I also read that Republicans are actually _more_ likely to take their own daughters to have an abortion than everyone else. Take this with a grain of salt, because it has been a while and I don’t remember the source, but I absolutely believe it from a party that preaches one thing and turns around and does whatever the hell it wants.

[@CarolineGirl81]

Agreed! And the hypocrisy is indeed strong on BOTH sides. I’m pro choice, but I won’t march or donate anymore to the cause, after seeing what my “side” did during the pandemic, with bodily control, denial of natural immunity, denial of medical exemptions, job loss, families torn apart, calls for suppression, censorship, separation, and general nastiness. The left has, in part, brought this on themselves. (This coming from a lifelong devoted and politically very active democrat - whose finally Starting to wake up.) Now, I would help a friend “get help” but I won’t necessarily be giving my vote up just because of this one issue and I won’t be giving my money to any parties anymore. Now, Pre-pandemic, they would have had my money, my time, my vote, but they have lost me - and many others like me. The left has some apologizing to do if they are going to win, in my singular opinion.

[@rectaldestructionisnotlove4091]

@@CarolineGirl81 Wrong choice is not a choice. Thems and their silly slogans.

[@russellbraeuer2512]

The better view on this is who is the politician representing. The pregnant mother or the fetus. And conservatives are pro-fetus (pro-life), not anti-pregnant mother. I’d prefer a complete overhaul on contraceptive availability, sex education, and responsibilities of the man in all this. The problem is unwanted pregnancies. We reduce that, then we reduce the need for abortions.

[@Katalila]

As someone with two young kids who's currently a few weeks pregnant despite having had a tubal ligation I find these heartbeat bills absolutely terrifying.

[@Weiner-Worm]

Thank you for your story, showing that even something like a tubal isn't always 100% I was pregnant once, and had an abortion. Shortly after, I made an appointment to have my tubes completely removed. I wanted as close to 0% chance as I could get of never becoming pregnant again. And now with our rights being taken away, I'm even more glad I did

[@Katalila]

@@Weiner-Worm yeah it sucks. I knew it wasn't 100% effective, but you never think you're gonna be the 0.1%.

[@Weiner-Worm]

@@Katalila You did the best you could and still got the result you were hoping to avoid. I wish you and your kids well, and hope your pregnancy goes well.

[@Katalila]

@@Weiner-Worm thank you

[@brinleefrazier7711]

@@hanlildan9779 what about the woman’s suffering? Are you adopting any of these kids? Do you know what the foster care system is like? Your ignorance is embarrassing. Also, a clump of cells can’t suffer.

[@hock2006]

So, I have a take on this. I’m Christian, and I believe that life begins at birth, as the Bible says. But even if I thought it didn’t, and that a fetus is a living human being, it still wouldn’t be my right to choose whether or not other people can get abortions. That should be their choice, period

[@blahblahblah747]

How does that make any sense? If you really did think that a fetus is a living human being, why would someone have the right to kill it? Why not just give the right for everybody to kill everybody then

[@hedgehog3180]

I mean the only time the Bible talks about abortion it's giving instructions on how to perform it. There's literally no Christian argument for anti-choicers. It's a wholly anti-Christian movement by literally any metric.

[@stella-gx8ne]

A CHOICE! No one is forcing anyone to abort.

[@finpro942]

@@stella-gx8ne no one is forcing anyone to have sex;that is the real choice.....more than 90% of abortions are a form of birthcontrol.In cases like rape,ectopic pregnancies abortions are legally allowed.

[@bromponie7330]

You may want to check the biological findings of the last century - that embryos & foetuses are stages off human development (just like the terms infant, toddler & adolescent are) is a well established fact within the scientific community. They display organized growth, they develop & specialize, they respond to external stimuli, they can feel pain after couple months, etc. These are living human beings.

[@whittark111]

Doing the math based on what I'm hearing. If I add all of this up, the safest thing for me to do is: > Not have sex with men---even if that man is a long term partner or spouse. If I get pregnant and have complications, I could die. Healthcare providers will be too afraid of getting sued or of prison time to perform a DNC. > Not get married to a man. If I have no body autonomy, I won't be an equal in that partnership. So that's a no. > Safe sex isn't an option, because no prevention is 100%--and it sounds like birth control could be going away as well. > Get sterilized in case I get raped. It's sounding like these are the options for women in America today.

[@freakymeff]

this is assuming any doctor will agree to sterilize you. So really, there's no way out of this for American women.

[@francookie9353]

I wonder what all the Conservative men would do when women just collectively all say NO. They could even all become devoutly celibate Christians. Like, modern nuns. Then there isn't even an argument that they aren't doing their duty under god to multiply and such. And if they start banning sex toys etc. there could be a movement of men getting sterilised as "safe boyfriends". And then when they ban sperm banks, there will be "pregnancy boyfriends" that make motherhood possible. Sounds a lot more doable and less complicated than getting reproductive rights inshrined into the constitution at any rate ...

[@bonnierobinson8684]

Move to spain!

[@jeffreyswanson2937]

What if our own parents saw shit this way? We would not be commenting on KZbin...

[@whittark111]

@@jeffreyswanson2937 our mothers had access to healthcare. It was relatively safe to choose parenthood. Won’t be safe anymore. Women who miscarry won’t be able to find a doctor willing clear them out for fear of prison time. Women will die. That’s the difference.

[@yu.niverse]

Usually this show draws attention to lesser known issues that deserve to be exposed. It’s never a good sign when something big is SO big that LWT feels like they need to cover it.

[@atafakheri8659]

vote harder, democrats had the filibuster proof majority and the president back in Obama days they didn't do it back then, because they don't want to do to it. because their entire campaign plan is to run against republicans, by showing up and saying if you want to stop them vote for us. so if they actually solve the problems, they effectively sabotage their own campaign

[@nickysantoro9194]

Commy exposed.

[@TARINunit9]

I'm dreading John's inevitable episode on the War in Ukraine, because he's been putting it off for _so long_ that it's going to be a BOMBSHELL

[@anotherfriendlyshikikan6960]

@@nickysantoro9194 I ain’t see no hammer and sickle here. You might need some glasses or heavier lenses

[@TARINunit9]

@@chucklebutt4470 That's what I'm saying. When he eventually CAN do an episode... HOO BOY it's going to be one hell of an episode

[@ZentaBon]

People keep making the mistake of assuming reasonable stopping points as well. No it won't end at abortion, never assume there will be exceptions made, and even if there is, don't assume it will play out well in practice because it often doesn't. Imagine being a doctor in a state where medically necessary abortions are allowed but for no other reason. To avoid being criminally charged for malpractice and possibly "murder", you'd often delay longer than necessary so as not to risk your own livelihood and the possibly family you're supporting. People can, do, and have died because of this very situation.

[@LewaGaba]

That basically situation in Poland rn

[@TiberiusRex182]

this doesnt stop until its the 1950s again. This ends with civil war for civil liberties

[@SickBuckNaStY]

It's like the rape exception. In practise you would need a rape conviction first and our justice system doesn't exactly move fast, so you would nearly always have the child before you could ever possibly get the exception.

[@lars1W]

@@SickBuckNaStY and the emotional toll it can take on a woman...

[@TheSundayShooter]

It's just common sense abortion control, human lives matter more than your insecurities

[@cyrussnow6060]

“ I'd call it dystopian if it weren't so fucking American.” John Oliver

[@pickles3128]

My friend had a miscarriage but her body didn't pass it; it was early enough she didn't realize she was even pregnant.. Even though it didn't have a heartbeat, her insurance wanted to make her wait 3 days to get her to cover it She became s sick, we said "f*** it". We drove to the abotion clinic and people screamed at her horrible things about her killing her already dead child. She was forced to have an ultrasound and have the nurse read to her a pamphlet reading about "alternatives, such as adoption." All while the fetus was literally rotting inside of her and making her very sick and threatening sepsis.

[@maryannelarsen1186]

😪

[@christinebenson518]

That's a very sad and screwed up story. Seriously who would adopt a dead fetus?

[@benjaminsorensen9334]

My wife's had two miscarriages, and we're very excited about the idea of people murdering something it ripped our hearts out to lose. Twice.

[@jd190d]

Some of the states passing anti choice laws want to criminalize going out of state to have an abortion, charging the people who provide transportation and help in any way for the women who wants an abortion. A Republican legislator when asked if interracial marriage should be a states right said it should. If you think this will end here, you are not paying attention.

[@zarakikon6352]

I was thinking the same thing here. They're gonna go for gay rights next. No same sex or inter racial marriage anymore either ! They desperately want to turn back the clock so they as white people can feel safe and superior again ! That's what it is all about. And that's why I personally can't stand/stomach Conservatives !

[@ZentaBon]

Ugh i hate this, they're losing respect from constituents of any affiliation. Let your populous keep losing trust in your government, see how that goes.

[@nobodyspecial4702]

@@ZentaBon You forget the willingness of the religious right to not abandon their ship.

[@Shuizid]

Yeah, next step for them is a federal ban on abortions. The "states rights" is a mere stepping stone for them.

[@rogerdildeau7507]

"Anti-choice"? What about giving the father the "choice" of either aborting the child or the mother? This way if the father wanted the child and the mother didn't, the father could chose to have the mother euthanized and keep the child. How do you feel about that "choice"?

[@Tanavids]

I'm so tired of being angry. This was an incredible segment - thank you for bringing up that abortion is important outside of rape and the mother's life being in danger. Even if I was raped, by the time I'd get through court to MAYBE prove my rape my kid would be a year and a half old.

[@origamiandcats6873]

Those exceptions are no longer included.

[@SwawesomeT]

And that child would have value. Don't want him? You can give him up.

[@dsddala467]

@@SwawesomeT And who will pay for it? Will YOU adopt all the unwanted children? The foster care system is always under funded, and there are children who want permanent homes and families who never get it. I worked at a nonprofit and I know these kids who became adults with lots of trauma from the foster care system. The same people who want tell women they MUST carry a pregnancy that was not their choice, are the same people who chide "welfare moms", refuse family leave, or government funded child care/preschool, don't want free access to birth control and who also don't want sex ed in school. They also are typically the same people who think mask mandates violate their rights, but are happy to force a woman to a life long commitment. Also, I imagine you are picture a White Male baby. If you don't want this medical procedure, don't have it, but it IS a medical procedure. I thought you all believe God got to judge not you.

[@SwawesomeT]

@@dsddala467 I am a black man, but go off on the identity politics. There are so many people that would like to adopt but the red tape prevents them from doing so.

[@amberbullock4475]

@@SwawesomeT there aren’t enough parents and the red tape won’t go away any time soon. Change in abortion legislation is going much faster than the welfare and adoption legislation that will support these children. I get it where everyone is coming from. I don’t think I could go through with an abortion but it isn’t my life. I can’t understand the impossible decision because I’ve never experienced it. A woman’s life is at risk when she gets pregnant and that’s only the first part. What happens to the baby after birth also matters. The government can’t protect the interests of the mom or child, so I say leave it to choice.

[@saundramock9715]

If a fetus can be frozen for 27 years and then carried to term but the same baby can’t be frozen for 27 years and live, how can they possibly be considered the same thing?

[@dieanna8]

This is truly mind-boggling, especially as there is a real-life case on what an abortion ban can mean for a nation (not to mention the obvious personal trauma of it). Abortions were banned in communist Romania, as a way to "promote" population growth and the effects of that were dire: many women died, many children were born with birth defects as a result of faulty abortion attempts and there was mass child abandonment - an issue which has consequenced to this day. How some people and legislators can so freely ignore this... truly a criminal act.

[@toddmintz4269]

But, there is NO NATIONAL ABORTION BAN. Each State will now pass whatever Abortion Laws they want without Federal Regulations. Meaning the State laws can be as Liberal or as Conservative as the voters in that State want

[@uhlan30]

@@toddmintz4269 Ok? Do you think these problems occur only if the ban is on a national scale? The fact that _any_ states are going to ban abortion is a problem.

[@chrisprilloisebola]

@@toddmintz4269 exactly, these people are so dumb and uneducated. They should've been aborted tbh

[@chrisprilloisebola]

@@uhlan30 You cant just say "Ok?" and say goofy shit after. This isn't a fkn ban, its a federalism issue. Stop being so ignorant

[@toddmintz4269]

@@uhlan30 It will ONLY take place in States that the VOTERS WANT IT BANNED IN. If you don’t want it banned in YOUR State, the elect people who WILL NOT ban it. It’s really that simple

[@richardnavratil9661]

As a Czech that now calls the USA my home, I feel this in my bones and it's hard to not get discouraged. I came in late 2009 and it seemed like a country of dreams. I got my undergrad and graduate education here and a great job, all of which I'm extremely grateful for. But when I truly started to pay attention to what is happening around me politically and economically, for about the past 5 years, it's hard to not feel depressed.

[@briancurtis6022]

Fascism has been on the rise, to be sure. A lot of angry white-Christian-Republican types are increasingly angry that they've lost the culture war and are now willing to violently overthrow the government if they can't be in charge any more.

[@DraciaNightcat]

I feel the same way (from the UK). I could kind of see things heading this way when I moved here in 2014, but I didn't think they would take it as far as they have. It's kind of jarring. There are some really bad people in positions of power out here.

[@cottonballs185]

Head on back to your countries

[@lynnebucher6537]

You're not alone with those feelings.

[@jenwendy7]

My friends from Iran feel the same way. They fled Iran to escape dictatorship. Then Trump won and they said, "it's like we left one dictatorship for another." Their depression grew 😢. So has mine.

[@JB-et7zs]

Thank you for identifying these people as anti-abortion and not pro-life. Pro-life people wouldn’t work so hard to keep a system that causes the suffering and deaths of thousands of fetuses, mothers,children and adults due to the inability to afford healthcare.

[@bluebomber-]

why cant they afford healthcare??

[@spongeintheshoe]

@@bluebomber- Because the people who call themselves pro-life are more concerned with the right of health insurance companies to extort their customers than the right of low-income people to not die of preventable diseases.

[@thefridge7335]

Is everything really so black and white in your country? You can be pro life and pro free healthcare, atheist etc

[@countessmargoth469]

They are authoritarians who believe the state has the right to enforce pregnancy.

[@thefridge7335]

@@countessmargoth469 pregnancy is only forced in cases of r*pe

[@MakeBetterStuff]

Imagine living in a country where we could stop circling around to the same issues every generation and do something more worthwhile. We're still fighting about the same things for 100 years and it's exhausting.

[@rrrr-xj6ll]

The fight for abortion was in the last 50 years phsicopath

[@TheEverFreeKing]

Exactly abortion should be banned so we can move on to other things 👍

[@nodnarb3540]

I thought my marriage was safe after Obergefell. Now I’m reminded there’s nothing stopping this court from essentially rendering my marriage null and void. That’s terrifying. If Roe v Wade isn’t safe, even after FIVE DECADES, nothing is.

[@strangebrew1231]

If the court wasn't like this then the dred scott decision and all the decisions overturned during the civil rights era would still be active

[@JollywoodJoel]

As a straight guy, I had to google what Obergefel was, I had no idea but I knew it was important judging by your comment. I know I'm out of the loop on this but I imagine I'm not alone in my ignorance and you'd probably get more responses and thumbs up if people knew. Not your fault but not everyone is gonna take the time to google details like that of things they don't know.

[@Stinger522]

Even if it is rendered null and void, you should still stand by who you love.

[@diegorincon4673]

I’m concerned that after that interracial marriage is next. I am genuinely worried for Virginia v. Loving as well. The republicans just want people to suffer.

[@Stinger522]

@@diegorincon4673 And we the people should resist them at all cost. Stand up for the rights of our female citizens and stand by the people you care about and love. If someone declares your relationships illegal, tell them to fuck right off.

[@eldiablo1000]

John, you hit the nail on the head when you said, "turn everyone that isn't a straight white man, into a fucking fraction. That is something that truly is deeply rooted in the nation's history and traditions."

[@quinnishappy5309]

my god there are people like you that exist and you praise yourself for this buffoonery.....

[@cbeaucrawford]

Ironically, interracial marriage is not deeply rooted in American tradition either, being illegal in many States until 1967. I'm very interested to hear Justice Clarence Thomas' opinion on the matter, and his own marriage. Guessing the family values cult run by his wife will skip over it.

[@Auguur]

@@cbeaucrawford He considers himself white

[@michaelmasterson7386]

I understood 3/5 of your comment.

[@bonnierobinson8684]

When The United States moves backward they become like Russia!

[@singularity___]

I went to a pro-choice protest in Oklahoma in early April. Around 400 people were there. The number of cops and state troopers (in full gear) there were fucking ridiculous, it definitely felt like they were trying to intimidate us. There were A LOT of state troopers trying to drive around and ticket cars too.

[@themplar]

oklahoma.... yeah that sounds plausible. Christians hate sanity.

[@nickpatterson6099]

i mean..... the left protest have a much higher probability of turning into chaos and riots.

[@chrisbudesa]

FTP Earning the hate every day.

[@Bucephalus84]

Yeah, Oklahoma is a family oriented state. We made murder illegal here as well.

[@chrise.321]

@@Bucephalus84 but OK is a death penalty state so we're more than happy to commit some murders in this ass-backward state.

[@spoopyghost3333]

Sadly, in Montana, the following restrictions on abortion were in effect as of May 26, 2022: An abortion may be performed at or after viability only in cases of life endangerment or severely compromised health. So that means those who are raped or can't afford the child or any other things that isn't health don't have a choice.

[@stijn2472]

Does mental health count under "severely compromised health"?

[@spoopyghost3333]

@@stijn2472 I'm not finding anything saying otherwise. But I wouldn't be surprised it doesn't count.

[@mattaboveallhews1502]

@@stijn2472 It had damn better.

[@leonessity]

Let us not forget to mention America's grade A (NOT!), top shelf (So VERY NOT) and socially unbiased (about as much as slavery was) fostering and adoption services!! Heaven knows there aren't enough abandoned, abused and/or neglected children, being placed into those overpopulated and dilapidated systems already...

[@Gemmagems577]

I was in Ireland when abortion became legal for the first time. My whole college was shouting "Repeal the 8th", meaning the 8th amendmend which made abortion illegal. And they went, and voted, and repealed the 8th. Some guy gave people After Eight candies. People cried in happiness. It was glorious.

[@wikittywhacktv]

in the US, they look at the constitution like some law that was written by gods and it can't be altered. it's weird

[@whilryke]

@@wikittywhacktv It's called the American Civic Religion.

[@LadyDreamfyre]

I'm from France, but I remember this moment as well. My friends and I were glued to the TV, begging every god we could think of to make it happen. When the 8th was repealed, we had a drink to celebrate it

[@A-PatrioT]

@@wikittywhacktv , Name a better country where the people are truly in charge?? Don’t worry I’ll wait….

[@Fafnd]

@@A-PatrioT Ireland, France, Norway, Denmark, Portugal...I can keep this up all day fool.

[@NewMessage]

They're all for protecting kids! Until they're out of the womb and it's time to regulate pollution, so they don't get sick. Or make healthcare affordable so their parents don't go bankrupt just giving birth, let alone dealing with any illnesses. Or regulate guns so they aren't massacred on their first day of school. Or raise the minimum wage so their parents can afford to feed them healthy food, and be able to spend quality time raising them. Or work towards raising our education standards so they have a shot on the world stage when they join the workforce. Or... oof. This is a lot of typing. Look, there's at least 50 more lines of this stuff, but I'll let y'all fill in the blanks.

[@leiajiang7877]

or work to educate them instead of tuning them into a mindless drone of god state wise by blocking knowledge they dont like in school.

[@HowToChangeName]

Or advocate IUD so parents can plan for future child while maintain family Or provide paid leave for parents so they dont worry juggling between child and salary Or stop segregating schools so they all get same education quality across child demographics You're right, it took so long I might as well write publication

[@edgaralanfrog]

George Carlin said it the best

[@LittleMissTotoro]

I'm sad to say shot by the police and death penalty came to mind quite quickly. John Oliver has trained me well.

[@chad5696]

Oh, so it is a child. I thought is was just a clump of cells. Damn, if only I had every studied basic biology By the way, it's not a requirement that all of the world's problems be solved in order for someone to be opposed to the mass murder of babies.