Roe v. Wade: Law Professors Break Down What Happened | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast

[@ShartimusPrime]

I brought up the anti-whack law to my wife due to the bible says “wasting the seed” is a sin. So to be consistent, male masturbation should be illegal. For dude’s seeing this, as ridiculous as that sounds, that’s the reality women are coping with right now.

[@lindseysummers5351]

Another interpretation I have heard is that any man that masturbates is cheating on his spouse. So, could/should he be cited for adultery under those circumstances?

[@rembrandt972ify]

The Bible says knowing the difference between good and evil is a sin. Whatchya gonna do?

[@marykayryan7891]

Good point! Perhaps men who masturbate or father children against a woman's wishes should be sterilized. They did that to Native women and Black women in prisons ostensibly because they weren't equipped to have children. Clearly these men are not "equipped" and if we can control womens' bodies, how about mens' bodies?

[@derosa1989]

"sin" isn't illegal.

[@brucemarmy8500]

Which old testament story is it that mandrakes were exchanged between women for sleeping with the man? That is an early reference to terminating a pregnancy as Mandrake is an abortifacient. Learn something new, everyday.

[@paulliniger418]

"The dogma caught the car" - Melissa Murray That is Carlin level wordplay and I love it!

[@susanbloodgood3572]

Carlin - the Supreme Court Jesture

[@rogercampbell7248]

Bumper sticker says my karma ran over your dogma.

[@jschuler53]

@@rogercampbell7248 We need slogans to match their awful mudering babies thing without sounding like idiots.

[@MaryAnnNytowl]

@@susanbloodgood3572 "jesture?" How did you even convince your spell-check that was a real word?

[@drewcoowoohoo]

Isn't it usually "my kharma ran over your dogma?"

[@morenowg]

Intelligent, rationale and contemplative conversation like this is what seems to be missing on the Senate floor and now in the Supreme Court.

[@stangerr0267]

Nothing about this conversation was intelligent, rationale, or contemplative. It was an echo chamber

[@morenowg]

@@stangerr0267 From your perspective you are absolutely correct.

[@Isaic02]

​@@stangerr0267 Echo chambers are dangerous when you never leave the room and when the chamber introduces zero new or accurate information. Bouncing ideas between like minded individuals is a great way to refine your thoughts. These people brought up new information of which the others weren't aware multiple times and at least John Stewart certainly doesn't spend all his time in an echo chamber.

[@devinmyers9859]

Did you hear what they said “Republicans got shit done while dems watch it happening. They didn’t use “Intelligent, rationale and contemplative conversation” lol this is why dems are lost. We haven’t gotten behind like the republicans and now trump will win and I hope he takes us back 200 years. It will be great for all us White males.

[@tomwirt319]

Agree the. 4 decide Tim e frame. Rhe thing th we right si we a nt count I n u s rhat white voters become the minority uñ about 2040

[@brennonbrunet6330]

These brilliant, wonderful women need to be on every single news program, every single night, explaining the undiluted B.S. behind the roe v. wade decision to the american people until this tragedy is remedied. God bless you ladies.

[@chuckdangler8620]

I agree, certainly, with your endorsement of these brilliant women. However, I would like to visit your statement "until this tragedy is remedied". Remember that only the Democrats, (sadly the Corporate Democrats) are the hope of remedy. Sorry, but I have very little confidence in the so - called "moderate" Dems. They have proven over and over again that their courage is in the shitter. If they had any balls they would have headed off this bullshit right at the beginning when the GOP slapped them in the side of the head saying, "Believe us when we tell you that we are monsters!" GOP couldn't have been more clear that this was their agenda decades ago. I hate to say it, but until we vote out these Democrat dinosaurs, we will soon again be living in a 1950's 'pearl necklessed house wife fetching her hubby's slippers' era, not to mention laws against gay marriage, etc, etc, etc. Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but there you go.☹😢😠

[@FiatVoluntasTuaAmen]

Simping hard, bro. but these women want to have the right to kill their own children. They are probably not wife or mother material, right?

[@parkertufts5251]

The tragedy has been remedied. Countless lives saved.

[@kelkil79]

I'd comment but right-wing comments are auto deleted on KZbin so why bother?

[@parkertufts5251]

@@kelkil79 If you're trying to discourage me, it won't work. If they're going to delete comments, I'll make them delete the comments. Their censorship is shameful, and I think many of the comments and likes are fake too, on this channel at least.

[@DeeDubious]

This is what happens when Congress doesn't draft & pass any laws that establish protection of these rights we lose. We rely too much on judicial interpretation of the law, believing court precedent is somehow permanent & unchangeable but the whole history of the Supreme Court paints a different picture.

[@freeloader69]

I would recommend that we base policies on science and facts. To begin with, there was no “constitutional right” to an abortion prior to Roe - the Roe court actually created a “right” that did not previously exist. So there’s that. There’s also the scientific “fact” (to the extent that anything can be known with absolute certainty in scientific terms) that life begins at conception, so the termination of a pregnancy = the termination of a human life. This is regardless of your feelings on the matter - there’s a mountain of evidence to back this claim up. Claiming that life begins at any other point is the equivalent of arguing that the Earth is flat, or that some magical sky daddy exists and knows how many hairs there are on your head. You have no evidence for any of those claims. The only claim with regards to the question of when a human life begins that has any evidence or support in the relevant scientific community is that it begins at conception. Deal with it. So banning abortion is not “forced labor/birth”. It’s the legitimate prohibition by a government of the arbitrary termination of a human life. Banning abortion “makes women slaves” just as much as banning any other form of homicide does. You aren’t free to do a lot of things in our “free” society. That doesn’t make you a “slave”. Get a brain, morans.

[@killzone866]

cant get anything through without 60 votes, too fractured to ever get that done.

[@eldowns379]

Agreed!

[@DeeDubious]

@@freeloader69 What in the copy & paste reply bunch of nonsense is that? Lmao

[@freeloader69]

@@DeeDubious Sorry if science and facts freak you out, bruh. Try reading more than one sentence at a time on more of a regular basis.

[@peterjohnstoltzman]

Dude, people still use the Bible to justify so many things… and we expect them to respect nuanced boundaries about modern legal precedents? Jon is right that the whole thing is a cynical ideological exercise in social control and power.

[@thegratefulsteve]

No war but class war

[@purplepheasant4776]

Melissa discussing the historical background of the constitution is incredibly relevant. Saying that life begins at conception is not religious but factual and scientific. Death doesn't create life. Living organisms create other living organisms. Sperm is alive when it fertilizes the egg. It grows because it's alive. We don't defibrillate fetuses to start the pregnancy. If fetuses were dead then there would be no need for an abortion would there? Dead things don't change and grow. Research on abortion as "a woman's right to choose" was created by the elite because it is essentially the only "right" women have. And it's not women's rights. It doesn't correct equal pay, safety, or human rights. No one is concerned with fair wage or preventing rape/murder of women It's identified as population control in empirical and scholarly documents. Republicans are concerned about the future of the white population and its longevity. The states that ban abortion are majority white pop. White women feel betrayed by white men as this was the only "right" accessible to white women who have been supporting white men. Human, affirmative action, child rights, LGBTQ, women's rights, institutional racism, etc. are vastly different and should not be clumped together. Yet, they have their basis in institutional racism. Ppl keep saying get rid of racism first because it benefits everyone, but the other groups are not listening. They don't care about racism only things directly relevant to them. Everybody's woke after being pinched and then back to sleep.

[@myronschabe]

Yes, as I have come to see, this is a class war really, to put it bluntly the smart vs. the stupid, the mature vs. the immature, the evolved vs. the unevolved -- blue/red...I don't mean to sound calous and demean folks but at the heart of red is insecurity...I wish there were some behavioural scientists out there who could help with this dynamic. Of course, there is something else as well in this anti-abortion move which is truly sinister that has to do with hating women and being so complicated about sexuality,

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

What's worse, is that ignorant people use the Bible, which they've never read and know _nothing_ about, in order to deprive individuals of their individual bodily autonomy. It's absolutely insane. I've never read the book, but you can't get an abortion because that's what the book I've never read maybe says?

[@moxita91]

Yeah, if I can't exercise what I deem as perverted ( and very freaking sexy ) out in the open, you can't either.

[@DaenGaming]

The way Melissa speaks is incredible, I love her word choice/vocabulary. All three of them are so clear and well-spoken, such a great conversation.

[@bignamek]

Was coming here to say the same thing. I almost never seek out stuff from her (although I should), but whenever I get to hear her, I'm pretty much always blown away by how easily she puts things in perspective.

[@peace1655]

Was she supposed to not be well spoken. The terms you used to describe Melissa are derogatory. Inform yourself![

[@DaenGaming]

@@peace1655 lol wtf are you talking about

[@josephmorrell5336]

@@peace1655 so cynical holy shit

[@CTguy203]

I love her on TV. I was hoping biden picked her for the Supreme Court but Ketanji Brown Jackson is kicking ass using “originalism” against them.

[@stevenpinkerton777]

Great commentary! As a man who has participated in many academic mtgs, I really love how these 3 women, all of whom have something to say, do not talk over one another, they support each other. They seem to be bopping off each other. A pleasure to watch. And Jon's good too.

[@007kingifrit]

they made up everything they said and just rewrote history in real time. can they make any point without bringing up slavery? i'm not even against abortion but roe was badly reasoned, even RBG said it had to go, it was not well reasoned. and none of these 4 can admit that.

[@maryanneholstrom4104]

Read Uncle Toms Cabin !!! It will blow your mind

[@bsadewitz]

No one ever talks about the way we got here, which is the Democrats largely embracing Republican austerity politics after 1980. They were better than Republicans on economic inequality, but that's not saying much. This isn't that complicated. Our political elites failed, thereby providing fertile soil for populism. The Democratic party suppressed left-populism because it emphasizes economic inequality and class, and they weren't enthusiastic to tackle that because their donors didn't like it. Right-populism was the only remaining alternative to Hillary Clinton, who sneered at the "deplorables". Steve Bannon studied European right-wing populist movements and deployed the strategy here with Trump's campaign.

[@007kingifrit]

@@bsadewitz black fatherlessness rates and poverty rates have been skyrocketing since the 60s, not the 80s. left wing policies created poverty. or we would see them get poorer in the 80s like you claim but what does that have to do with the abortion argument?

[@bsadewitz]

@@007kingifrit There is a lot yo consider here. It simply is not possible to speak to something so complex in a few sentences. Johnson's "Great Society" was a centrist program, and was much more concerned with economic growth than economic inequality. Black Politicians gained control of major municipal governments in the 1980s. Philadelphia and Chicago had their first black mayors. In the late 80s, a coalition of various groups managed to convince Reagan not to abandon affirmative action. Similarly, it was only because of some moderate Republicans that Reagan and his justice dept abandoned their opposition to renewal of the voting rights act. It wasn't because of Reagan's policies; it was in spite of them.

[@rini6]

I’m 56 years old. When I was a kid things seemed to be going in a good direction. We seemed to be getting more rational, humane and civilized. Since the eighties things have been devolving. Now it has reached a fever pitch. And many people will suffer. It’s scary.

[@findsharon]

I've been thinking the same exact thing.

[@ladybluelotus]

Tell me about it. I remember the intelligent design debates as a counter to evolution just getting started in the media when I was in elementary by the time I was in junior high it was in the schools. It's scary how quickly things can devolve.

[@bridgetboyle687]

Ditto except 55. My kids are growing up in a worst place then I did.

[@slc5033]

Until we all learn to fight dirty like Republicans. The men in control of these decisions seem to need to control what they fear

[@EclecticFruit]

I'll be honest... You were a kid. You didn't know about the things moving in the "bad direction" ... because you were a kid. The war of ideology is constant and pervasive, and no period of time is divorced from it. Democracy dies in darkness ... therefore everyone has to shine a light where they can. There were problems back then, and there are problems today. That's no different.

[@cristinbuskard9250]

I’m so glad you have a platform now where you can come out and digest what’s happening when you want without the obligation of the output of a daily show.

[@Dan-nt2yb]

Bingo.👍🏾

[@veritas2222]

Yes, isn’t that just the way it oughta be!

[@kelkil79]

Not enough Left-Wing talking heads in the media, that's for sure.

[@nicktisone5509]

Can we just have this panel be the Supreme Court?! So happy to hear unbiased conversation about real topics! We need Jon!🇺🇲 #thereturnofJON

[@tsukitty6420]

I am so grateful to have this show to come too to help me process all the events of the last few weeks. The guests are always phenomenal and Jon Stewart is able to keep up with them, and them with him.

[@emmanuelporte4201]

Listening to these ladies spill legal tea is fantastic. You can feel the rage but it comes off as still super informative

[@nancyanderson5413]

Clearly you missed the ramifications this overturned will have in men that they explained there. I as women in “rage”, like you say, is taking this in a very cold way, because I see finally the window to take also the bodily autonomy of guys. Finally after decades of seeing women rights decay due our patriarchal society, my rage as become a very calculated cruel state were I am ready to make my gender counterpart suffer the same denigration women have felt for centuries. I will be the first to forbid men to have autonomy in their bodies. It seems like is time to make their freaking male laws work against them. Protesting or fight for my female rights haven’t worked at all, and I been called from feminazi to the usual “she is an hysterical woman” because of that without seeing any change, to the extent that I think the only way to really make any changes is to f…k the male rights instead. If they now will force people to even make forced organ donations to save lives, and that include ungrateful men that do not remember that they came to the world trough a vagina, then let us take any body autonomy from everybody. If the poop is always falls in the side of females and we cannot stop this, then I want to share the poop with the males.

[@tompaulcampbell]

Albeit illogical information, at least it appeases a viewpoint.

[@cariwaldick4898]

@@tompaulcampbell What about bodily autonomy do you find "illogical?"

[@tompaulcampbell]

@@cariwaldick4898 Bodily autonomy is fine but when the woman decides to play Nazi to the baby's Jew and consider him ripe for extermination, that's NOT autonomy!!!

[@cariwaldick4898]

@@tompaulcampbell It absolutely IS! No one is allowed to use another person's body without their consent--even to keep themselves alive. Women have a right to their own bodies. Even a corpse can't have their organs harvested without prior consent--or permission from their power of attorney.

[@nwamacman]

The last part about “what can we do to help?” … I live in Arkansas and I’m from Oklahoma. It will be EXTREMELY EASY to flip these states. We need an organization that helps sign up voters and get them to the polls. The dollars spent:change in outcome ratio will be FAR cheaper than any other intervention. Just go up the list by state of the lowest voter turnout. Follow the Stacey Abrams playbook on that list. Jon, we need your voice and others. This is the long term solution

[@Rc3651]

Well hold onto your butts because the Supreme Court said that they're going to listen to a case where they could give state legislators control over federal elections. If that happens then I can't even imagine what damage they could cause

[@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067]

The Stacey Abrams playbook? So lose by 55,000 votes and claim you still won?

[@shaunmcisaac782]

Signing up people to vote will be made illegal

[@stephensass3080]

I just LOL when you said you would flip Oklahoma. You are out of your mind.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

Hey if Stacey can do it, it's possible. What are some places people can reach out to help flip

[@kentowles5732]

These women are really smart. I would love to have them as my representative in our government.

[@TheAbandonedAccount7]

lmaooo whaat

[@mybachhertzbaud3074]

Why would you want them to have to join the den of vipers. Be nice.😄😄lol

[@jimbob3030]

@@mybachhertzbaud3074 Smart people need to replace the gaggle of goofballs we have now as leaders.

[@maryhalverson5713]

​@@jimbob3030 - Cornel West/Richard Wolff 2024

[@jimbob3030]

@@maryhalverson5713 Cornell West believes in a fairy tale, as far as people of faith go he is smart but he's not as smart as a man with critical thinking skills. I'd much rather vote for a progressive leader with leadership experience and good policy ideas like Katie Porter than an economist with no leadership experience.

[@chayoto]

Can you imagine what we would accomplish if there were millions upon millions of people who are as knowledgeable and passionate as these three law professors are? How? Just how can we get there?

[@xaniiu]

People are comfortable. Right now most you find don’t see a value in learning these things. Something catastrophic is going to have to happen.

[@jakejordan9466]

We would be going backwards. Why would you want folks like this running the country. Show me a single line of morality that they discuss. None of them brought up any.

[@devinmyers9859]

Why do you need their brains to accomplish anything, isn’t watching rights take a mudslide enough. WTF This is why trump will win and I hope he takes us back 200 years. This country deserves it.

[@Lleanlleawrg]

@@xaniiu Right now there's a shift where young men in America are becoming right wingers, in a way that hasn't really been the case before. This has been chalked up to influence via online media like tiktok, snapchat, youtube etc - with influencers like rogan, tate, shapiro, peterson and so on. I think this pattern must be broken, by flooding these channels with content like this, distilled into very short clips, because sadly people's attention spans are fried. The right is doing hardcore propagandizing, and I think the left has to try to outdo them at that game, sadly.

[@chidori137]

Proper education.

[@michaeleaster1815]

This is an outstanding convo. My heart-rate is at 130 bpm from sheer anger at the situation, but sincerely: thank you for this.

[@sedomartin733]

Lol you’re upset that babies will live. That’s a new low. But not surprised.

[@Zenhumanist]

@@sedomartin733 Most will live in misery tho.

[@jacquelinejohnson7699]

@@sedomartin733 Pity your mommy wasn’t pro choice. Look what she did to the country.

[@MockManor]

@@Zenhumanist And will most likely grow up with ptsd, abandonment issues, that will turn them into sociopaths…..which eventually leads to the murder of their respective peer group.

[@TheLegendOfRandy]

@@sedomartin733 Will you be adopting any of these unwanted fetuses that you're advocating women be forced to give birth to against their will? I expect silence.

[@patrikmarinkovic1704]

As a European, I think sadly the American justice system is too politicized and it is one of the reasons this happened. Judges (nor sheriffs, etc) should not be elected or appointed at any level. They should be professionals who have studied law and who will have to prove that they will apply the law in a neutral way.

[@eponymousIme]

>>Judges (nor sheriffs, etc) should not be elected or appointed at any level. They should be professionals who have studied law and who will have to prove that they will apply the law in a neutral way.

[@patrikmarinkovic1704]

@@eponymousIme Well in my country they first have to work many years on a judiciary profession and then they pass an exam, before passing in front of their peers to be selected. No political power intervenes.

[@eponymousIme]

​@@patrikmarinkovic1704 So, the lawyers in your country select who gets to be on the highest court (i.e., a Supreme Court Justice)? And there's no influence or politicking at all involved in that? We have a peer rating system (by the America Bar Association) for judicial candidates at all levels. But, as we have seen in the past 15 years, when it comes to the Supreme Court, the Senate and President can ignore the ratings and recommendations and introduce someone less qualified.

[@parkertufts5251]

They would all be originalists then. They're the only ones interpreting the law as it was written. (Neutrally) The political decision was Roe in the first place.

[@patrikmarinkovic1704]

@@parkertufts5251 Not really in my case, as law in my country is applied based on new laws which are constantly coming out based on new realities. And that is what our jurists base themselves on. I believe the issue in the US is that no one dared to make Roe into an actual federal law.

[@TheNo1pencil]

There is something about watching Jon soak up the new info he was being told at 7:16 and his realization and mind being blown that resonates with me. That point specifically was such a phenomenal one.

[@bigjimmcbob9358]

I'm pro-choice, but I think comparing a woman who became pregnant due to consensual sex with a woman who became pregnant as a result of rape while enslaved is absolutely idiotic.

[@Muhahahahaz]

@@bigjimmcbob9358 it might not be an effective argument, but it shouldn’t matter how the pregnancy happened. There is literally nothing shameful about any abortion before 23 weeks, for any reason. We need to stop pretending like there is If men don’t want the pregnancy to happen, then don’t fucking cum in any vaginas. Women have every right to control their bodies and abort unwanted pregnancies. Stop blaming women just because of where the zygote happens to be located. Men need to start taking responsibility for their sperm, if they care about the result so much

[@nancyray5506]

​@@bigjimmcbob9358 Comparing is literally finding similarities. Since neither women in slavery nor women today (in some states) have bodily autonomy, the comparison is accurate. It only becomes an issue if you believe that forced sex must have happened for a woman to deserve bodily autonomy.

[@bigjimmcbob9358]

@@nancyray5506 I can't punch my boss, and slaves couldn't punch their boss, therefore I am comparable to a slave. After all, to say two things are comparable only requires a passing, general, conceptual similarity.

[@nancyray5506]

@@bigjimmcbob9358 Congrats, you now know how to compare things. Perhaps you could now contrast them. For being a pro-choice fella, do you believe that only rape victims deserve to have an abortion?

[@romanbarna1316]

"It was desire in search of a rationale." Jon Stewart always has a way with words.

[@italiannn16]

😂😂😂😂 You people remind me of when I was a dumb 14 yr old who smoked a lot of weed and thought everything said was SOOO profound.😂😂😂😂😂 This crazy old lib just plays with words to excite stupid people. You seem excited.😂

[@parkertufts5251]

That is what the original Roe decision was, desire in search of a rationale. Even RBG said it was built on sand. This court is ruling based on what the law says. Y'all are just sore losers. Ha!

[@DemonDog444]

Of course he does, he's a comedian

[@herrbratbecker8208]

Question is: isn't that likewise true for the opposite pov? Giving that I just started to watch this video, I doubt if these four experts will tell me how to read the constitution in any case that might come up in future, just in this particular case they desire to be a ill-decided (nevertheless I will watch it 'till the end and eventually amend my speculation) ... At 12:46 I ask myself if "the Scotus" and "the States" are really on the same level of power to decide about the rules of living together (I should add that I'm neither born in the USA nor living there; I just went there for a four weeks holiday once. But I think the topic is of global interest and I really want to understand the american way of coping with it). Isn't a "State" just another name for "the people who are affected by that rule"? Isn't it unfair to expect from nine people that they should find the correct answer a society cannot agree upon? Or is it the other way round, that you ony need the Scotus for exact that reason? At 31:30 I ask myself btw if the difference between the "organized" right wing and the "confused" left wing is that lefters usually emphasize the individual over the group - resulting in their reputation over the common goal - while righties usually appreciate the group more than the loner ... 40:00 I'm not surr if relying on dedicated people is the right strategy, for it puts the success forever on demographics. You cannot fight a bad idea by fighting the people who have it, you got to show how bad it is - and why. I mean, it's the same over here in Germany: you wait for the right time when people are "in your mood" to state a majority and are baffled that next day the poll is the other way round. You really got to do the nitty gritty rationality work on things you want to settle at least for a decent time span ...

[@jdfree49]

Literally a perfect description of the left-wing approach to every issue.

[@Ianpact]

Thank you, Leah Litman, Kate Shaw, Melissa Murry, Jon and crew.

[@SophiaAphrodite]

If life begins at conception, so does child support, medical care for the mother to carry that child and a father CANNOT opt out of financial responsibility. Also states are required to fully fund adoption agencies and orphanages. Also if a woman dies from giving birth when denied an abortion to save her own life. The families can sue the state for civil damages for the childs loss of her mother due to the states intervention.

[@aquamanvonfloozerhoffen5067]

I have no problem with any of these. This is a great compromise on the issue, actually. Kudos.

[@FruityHachi]

if women are forced to carry the baby, then men should be forced to stay with the woman they impregnated not just financially support her, but actually stay in a relationship and live with her and take care of her until she gives birth and the baby is put up for adoption

[@lroman384]

@@FruityHachi this has domestic violence written all over it.

[@lroman384]

So if women want the choice to be able to kill a baby or not, why can't a man choose to not want to be a part of that babies life physically or financially if he chose that?

[@FruityHachi]

@@lroman384 good point, didn't think of that then, instead of him living with her, he'd have to hire someone who'd be taking care of her, and preferably to mandate him hire from the most reputable company possible

[@idontknowaboutthat1904]

This discussion was so good. The Strict Scrutiny crew explained the decisions and their complexities, good and bad, so clearly to us the normies; I think we've found the next three supreme court justices for an expanded court. And Jon's comment; "the senate is affirmative action for rural, white Christians" also nailed it.

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

My red state is a classic example of this. Our governor decided to give everyone a "break" against the insane rising house prices over the past 4 1/2 years by lowering property taxes for all properties valued at $300,000 or less. There isn't a single home in any of the cities in my county that costs $300,000 or less unless it is a mobile home. In my county, the most recent median home sold price is $602,000. Clearly, this was a "break" for the rural areas only. Screw the cities, right? It's not the cities that are contributing to the billion dollar budget surplus for the state, right? Funny how the rural areas couldn't figure out how to contribute to the budget surplus until tens of thousands of new people moved to the state in such a short amount of time. To prove how "Christian" the state is, in 2018 it finally outlawed child brides under the age of 16. 16 and 17-year-olds are still screwed but at least it's progress, I guess. The state is Idaho, btw. Please stop moving here. Not because you're not welcome but because you're contributing to the housing shortage and by you moving here you displace another family who is already here who is trying to afford that $500,000 two bedroom starter home.

[@idontknowaboutthat1904]

@@-._.-KRiS-._.- Amazing unprincipled hypocrisy on their part.

[@mallninja9805]

We do not have a 2-party system in America, we have one party with a clear consistent vision for an authoritarian theocracy & an "end justifies the means" approach; and we have "everyone else". The "everyone else" legislators tend to sit on the sidelines throwing their hands in the air & say "Why won't someone _do_ something" without copping to the fact that they _are_ the someone that needs to do something. The everyone else party had better come together on some clear objectives and a coherent strategy of their own if they want to avert the rise of the dictatorship that we are witnessing.

[@theBear89451]

No, both parties are obsesses with winning, disregarding principles.

[@thegratefulsteve]

The Capitalist party. Government servers the capitalist class, not the working class.

[@nsmith4155]

Exactly

[@oneofus6924]

indeed, I get frustrated and borderline irate when I hear anyone refer to our current system as a "2 party system". You and TheGratefulSteve said the truth of it.

[@TechnoSpice]

Thank you for spelling out what the Right is after. I continually here the "liberal media" downplay the fact that the right is pressing a Christian religious ideology through legislative and judicial battles. A theocratic minority is trying to take over the United States government at all levels and branches and we don't have the voter participation to stop it.

[@nerdpimp7236]

this shouldn't have to be said but, thank you for having this conversation with female attorneys.

[@MikesterMF]

"Dogma caught the car." Is a dope line

[@lorenzomohammed208]

what does it mean exactly?

[@austynross]

@@lorenzomohammed208 it's a play on the idea of a dog chasing a car. I does so because it feels it must and it's exciting, but if the dog were to actually catch up with the car, it wouldn't know what to do. Goal accomplished, and now the dog is perhaps far from where it needs to be. Here, the DOGma of the Conservative right, has led them on this chase of dismantling abortion rights. They've now finally achieved that goal, but may not have put much forethought into the repercussions or next steps after the act.

[@theBear89451]

@@lorenzomohammed208 Pathos

[@lorenzomohammed208]

@@austynross Oh, how brilliant. Thank you

[@CypressBayFarm]

WOW...Thank you Jon Stewart for coming back to the world that needs your clarity, humanity, the power of your voice and bringing other voices to the table on the issues in the NOW.

[@nathanr1696]

"Not to bring everything back to slavery, but the senate is affirmative action for white rural Christians." That declaration needs to be run on.

[@kidrengo]

The sands of time are ever shifting, my pale complected brother by another mother.

[@grimsvaultstreaming3956]

to bad non of that is true

[@xbabu142x]

I don't understand what she means by work ethic we have had same sex marrige for 22 yeears and trrans peole are already in the charer and have access to care. Does the Us ahve no resources now?

[@seananthonymcdonald7498]

Didn't slave owners say that black people didn't have rights, like pro-abortions said the unborn don't have rights? Weird that.

[@nathanr1696]

@@seananthonymcdonald7498 really just weird that you equated slavery to abortion.

[@pyoungcannon]

Thank you Jon for having a panel of women, and especially these women, to discuss this. All 4 of you nailed it.

[@richardkoen6848]

Ho's be mad.

[@ThinkAltruistic]

not balanced

[@gabrielrousseau_NM]

@@ThinkAltruistic The problem here with these four is they are ok with everyone having a chosen imaginary point of development where people can be killed without sanction. That's why we can't let them also take the guns by the way. Propaganda repeaters think the abortions would stay safely away on the children in the wombs. Au Contraire!

[@StephenBlackWolf]

Jon, this is hands down the very best discussion of the SCROTUS (not a typo!) decision on Roe. Thank you for continuing to do what you do. This country needs you, and this country needs these three women you had here for this discussion.

[@KathrynDavison]

Why doesn't anybody talk about how HARD it is to be informed and understand policy making, policy opportunities, and how to act to fend off the stealing of our rights. I have a ph.d. and a basic interest in ideas and moments of leverage, and honestly i don't know what to do. We can all be outraged but i don't know what to do. THANK you for having these terrific women articulate these elements so have a tiny chance to understand. It takes real work to find the meaty conversations - 99% of Americans listen to news and politicians' speeches and cannot name even one think tank or PAC -- where policy gets forged. So...thank you Jon Stewart for throwing us a bone!

[@kellietaylor9913]

I completely agree and my daughter and I went to a pro choice rally in our city..there was no media about it ..I went no one was there somehow I got the wrong date on the internet so my daughter went she said it wasn't big and we haven't heard from them since..like wow I live in Rochester NY I thought it would be more organized and huge many more people than it seems to be

[@austynross]

After watching this I immediately got a notification on my phone from NPR about the case Moore v. Harper, which the court will hear late this or early next year about whether or not state legislators must yield to court rulings in regard to how they run Congressional elections. And I feel absolutely hopeless.

[@parkertufts5251]

Yeah, that might really cut down on the two week long ballot harvesting. There might even be hateful racist voter ID laws. Lol this is exactly what I was hoping for in 2016. Still winning.

[@bootstraphan6204]

We have a fake democracy just like Russia does...💩

[@greatcesari]

These "judges" need to be donkeydonkeyinated. It's literally the only way. They are objectively destroying America. Right now, there are only 3 types of people. Those who are aware, those who aren't, and those who support the destruction of this country.

[@xiricada7121]

They won’t win, Austyn. Our ideas are better and more popular. If we keep fighting, they won’t win. And we will make sure that they craw back to the holes that they came from. Keep it on! 💪

[@myronschabe]

@@xiricada7121 Yes, thank you for this...we have Truth on our side, and so long as we stay united and focused we will win, some ugliness may be in the middle of that, that is how a purification process works...just keep visualizing the outcomes we want, and keep on it, as you say.

[@shoeless7604]

A truly illuminating discussion. While the current situation seems dire, I'm grateful to have these brilliant and passionate people on our side to fight for what is just and good. I appreciate you and please remember that your work matters!🙏

[@tomjackson4374]

One of the reasons that the Republicans are winning is because the Democrats have not done a Goddamn thing. There is zero resistance to this uber right wing agenda and it doesn't matter which side these people are on because the people in power have chosen to be powerless.

[@tonywilson4713]

Good comment. The point Leah Litman brings up at 36 minutes about minority rule is possibly the biggest issue. Followed by the destruction of the separation of church and state. Because in that combination there are states that are just 1 step from "The Handmaids Tale". After that the rest of the world need to start asking: If a Theocratic Iran is considered a state that cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons then is a Theocratic America a state that cannot be trusted with nuclear weapons?

[@Taurencowpew]

@@tonywilson4713 Don't worry, the rest of the world is morbidly watching; very much aware that they may have to try taking on the deadliest military in the World. We're prepared - perhaps more than you may realize - to take on fascism in any form. The U.S. is clearly a failing Empire at the moment, even to the point of visibly crumbling as we watch. You can't seriously think other countries are prepared to go down with you - First World Countries are better educated than that!

[@tonywilson4713]

@@Taurencowpew I'm Australian not American. I just went to college there. Define what "deadliest military in the world means" because if your talking about the US military last I heard a bunch of "illiterate hillbillies" just kicked their asses and before that it was a bunch of "sand monkeys" and before that a bunch of "rice munchers" and before that another bunch of "cabbage munchers". In major conflicts since WW2 the "deadliest military is 0-3-1 cos they consider that one with the "cabbage munchers" a draw. Yeah sure they invaded Grenada and kicked Iraq out of Kuwait but they were like pre-season football games and can't be called major.

[@Taurencowpew]

@@tonywilson4713 Not going to bother, other than pointing out military expenditure far beyond any other nation. Russia has proved themselves far less capable militarily than previously imagined - so what? That hasn't stopped their fascist tendencies - or bloodshed. It honestly doesn't look like Americans are heading in any peaceful direction right now. These are countries that have loaded themselves up with nuclear weapons... and we're supposed to sit back and watch as they drag the planet back into the medieval times - or worse - when we won't have a better chance at Fermi's "Great Filter"? I'm an Aussie myself (as if the name Jono didn't give it away). Doesn't mean I don't feel like Hari Seldon watching another dark age of humanity approach. I'm trying hard, but I'm very near to being overwhelmed with despair.

[@messybench]

"The Dogma Caught the Car", "Stretch and Pack a Lunch" "A Lot of Whales to Spear" so many good book titles.

[@shweenz]

When one side is raised to never think for themselves and the other is raised to hear others out, we find ourselves having a lot of wrong, backwards conversations. And when we try to educate the clueless, they feel threatened and regulate our voices, our choices, our bodies, our families... Did they forget what Liberty is??

[@hithere748]

Wow 😟😟😟

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

Honestly, it feels like they think Liberty is for "me" not for thee. And it makes no sense why they, all of a sudden, care about the philosophical aspects of potentiality when there are hungry grade school children across the country full of potential that they want to take free school lunches away from.

[@kagreen2k]

Slavery is freedom. Freedom is slavery.

[@triniconvert]

Dztdi😅

[@triniconvert]

Xu Jack

[@S-R-H]

I'm currently studying for the bar exam in three weeks. The amount of crap that has changed in the last month is insane. It's infuriating to work through multiple choice questions that still consider the "undue burden" standard as THE standard. NO IT'S NOT!! The bar examiners said we didn't need to know the new stuff for the exam, but do we need to mark the old stuff as valid when it's not? When the bar examiners have to make a statement about how chaotic our laws are because of these zealots, you know there's a problem.

[@acmnin2146]

These justices are pissing on the law and need to be stopped.

[@andresbarriga5305]

You know you are not the most affected in this situation. There's people dying, Kim.

[@freedomfest2741]

@@acmnin2146 how are they pissing on the law, abortion has never been a constitutional right, Democrats have ran on codifing R v W for decades, but they never did once elected, the justices did what it was meant to do, go to the states and let the states decide, anyone that calls abortion a constitutional right has no idea what is in the constitution, no where in the constitution does it say anything about abortion.

[@ambriaashley3383]

@@freedomfest2741 we have plenty of modern laws that are not expressly written in our Constitution lol. And SCOTUS has reversed many of them

[@freedomfest2741]

@@ambriaashley3383 clearly you have no idea how laws become constitutional, Obama said once elected he would sign the bill codifing R v W into law, after the election, he said that it was not his top priority, Biden said when he was running, he will codify R v W, once elected, he didn't do it, Republicans have said, they will overturn R v W and send it back to the states, they did what they ran on, and I find it funny that the left and democrats call justice Thomas every racist name in the book because he voted to send it to the states, because as Biden said, you ain't black if you don't vote for Biden.

[@moletrap]

"Who wants to tell him??" Oh my god I laughed my ass off through the tears.

[@parkmannate4154]

To quote the keynote speaker at the last CPAC: "Legitimacy is for Losers". What people need to understand is they don't care about Law, only Power.

[@CHARLESNDC]

"Every masturbatory emission not looking for an egg could be considered reckless endangerment" - Elle Woods in Legally Blonde.

[@happyfarmer979]

The woke mobs often bow to celebrity musings.

[@SinkpehnaRossFire-uc4ov]

🌎: ''None of the people are speaking about the 'defective procreating swimmers' via daily alcohol&alchemy consumption. Your blood helps create all your daily need; consistently using 'poisonous drugs' does not create healthy-normal-regular 'procreating swimmers l'. There are too many men who have been consuming alcohol for too long, women more now. Ireland recently passed law about the alcoholic 'babies' being born. Since medieval times ? that's usual. They got more when the potato was finally 'drank'. They were starving, they put those potatoes in with milk and whatever else they had, they got tipsied up and some survived. They decided to grow potatoes. Before that? They said potatoesmade you fart and be sick. (...the gloriesOfTheRooskeez...) that country 🤯.

[@brdrcli1]

Once actually thought along those lines. Then a man would realize the intrusion and overreach of our bodies. 🤔😡🍻

[@LadyQuotes]

What Jon brought up about bodily autonomy is the same thing I say. One person's right to life can not supersede another's person's right to bodily autonomy, otherwise the government will be able to require blood donations, bone marrow donations, organ donations, etc.

[@drewcoowoohoo]

Vaccinations . . .

[@scottl9660]

UNO Reverse! Lepers

[@synnegraven-sneltorp3682]

Yep

[@lockekappa500]

Then you'll get the Republican argument that the right to not get vaccinated follows this exact logic.

[@yg2522]

@@drewcoowoohoo it's a good thing it wasn't a legal mandate to get a vaccination then unlike these anti-abortion laws that are being put into place.

[@Highland804]

TERM LIMITS. For both politicians and judges.

[@kellietaylor9913]

Exactly then we wouldn't have these problems..I really hope Thomas doesn't last another 40 years that would really suck

[@kavflyladyvillery858]

We already have those. We just NEED to exercise them. Also moving forward, EVERY right that matters to us as Americans NEEDS to be codified (made into law).

[@joedavis1404]

I love it when smart people talk to one another. I could listen to them all day.

[@jillionairess]

"The liberals made my life miserable for 43 years," a former clerk remembered Thomas - who was 43 years old when confirmed - saying, according to The New York Times. "And I'm going to make their lives miserable for 43 years."

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

Curious if a liberal touched him in the wrong place when he was a day old? His statement doesn't make much sense, especially considering he's at the very very top of the political and socioeconomical food chain, even higher than a temporary President.

[@Sarah-re7cg]

Clarence Thomas is an Uncle Tom Frankenstein mosh posh of resentment bitterness and cynicism. Awful, awful human being who is dead inside.

[@allyson87]

Only a few minutes into the video, but I really appreciate hearing the Strict Scrutiny women say how they felt last Friday. That was basically my reaction too. I wasn’t even a little surprised, and I was angry with people expressing shock who previously called us hysterical for the last however many years. I didn’t think I was the only one feeling that way but hadn’t heard anyone else say it. Cassandra syndrome is so frustrating

[@GuerillaBunny]

Jon asking them "Were you shocked?" right after Melissa told him: "We tried to warn you." was frustrating to me, as a guy...

[@jschuler53]

Allyson yeah we're back there again, being gaslighted. It happened to be the other day, after the decision while I was talking about it. I was called a "crazy lady."

[@metalmonkee2896]

What about the millions of women who are celebrating this?

[@GuerillaBunny]

@@metalmonkee2896 No one should be celebrating the prospect of children being born to women who don't want, or can't afford them. So I'm not putting a lot of stock on those people's feelings. And when you get down to it, they just want to control other people's lives. They don't have to have abortions if they don't want to. What would they even lose if abortion was legalized?

[@metalmonkee2896]

@@GuerillaBunny we as a society lose millions of innocent lives. Am I just supposed to be cool with that? Especially when a VAST majority of abortions are because people apparently can't be held accountable for their poor choices. We don't let people kill others because they inconvenience them outside the womb, why should we turn a blind eye to people killing people because of inconvenience inside the womb?

[@stefers8451]

Thank you Jon! In a world that feels like we're in the upside down, I really appreciate your input and the experts you bring on to go over these issues.

[@anneolsen4181]

Very much

[@corinnapetry65]

Great discussion. Thanks, Jon, for having among the smartest legal minds here to work this out for us.

[@stardust-rebel]

This was the master class and everyone needs to hear it. When the educated and informed discuss a topic so damaging, you get moments like this. Bravo. " There is a reason education sucks and it will never, ever be fixed. The people in power don't want that. It's against their interests. They don't want a rational, reasonable public capable of critical thinking. " - G. Carlin

[@mandyinseattle]

It's bitterly ironic that Clarence Thomas espouses originalism when, in the original constitution, he was only 3/5ths of a person. He's got a lot of f****** nerve.

[@johnbuckner2828]

You’d think the 14th amendment also includes the rest of humanity where fundamental human rights are concerned. Whether or not we count Kids as persons for the purpose of taxation or representation in congress, they’re still people, no matter how young. Overturning Roe is like overturning the fugitive slave act, just the first step in recognizing inherent value, personhood and equal protection.

[@simonb4689]

@@johnbuckner2828 well said

[@davidleomorley889]

Until Democrats can manage to attack and criticize their own shit-show...nothing will change. oBOMBa and the other losers have preferred to use the threat of overturning Roe verses Wade for fundrai$ing. They deserve to be harshly criticized,...but oBOMBa is too big of a celebrity for that. He knows he has an army of butt-kissing water carriers who will come to defend him and the Democrats whenever they are called out for their political games....which is why they always suck.

[@hotshotx1598]

​@@johnbuckner2828 You gonna advocate for UBI then so that that forced life actually have value and a chance at a positive life rather than being doomed to a worse off existence? Doubt.

[@johnbuckner2828]

@@hotshotx1598 You’ll be surprised to find out then that I was a supporter of yang during the election… not everyone fits a stereotype. I do want to qualify that was saying that I think he Yang’s thousand dollars was way too much as I believe he was wrong and saying that people wouldn’t stop working.

[@na3rial]

23:00 hits me hard. Feminists have been BEGGING for the ERA to be adopted for decades, but conservatives have refused because they said it was "redundant" and "unnecessary." Fast forward to today and the ABSENSE OF LAWS LIKE THE ERA IS USED AS AN EXCUSE TO DROP ROE V WADE I HATE IT HERE

[@tpc3062]

Thank you so much for platforming scholars and experts, Jon.

[@djinnisequoia]

I am certain that this is the most erudite panel discussion on any topic I have ever seen. Good lord, I am absolutely starved for useful discourse. Thank you profoundly.

[@512Squared]

So many good points being made in this podcast. Just one: Republican voters did not give up pressuring the GOP to deliver court appointments that would overrule Roe v. Wade, they did not give up voting because one or several administrations did not deliver their goals. It took them 30 years of persistence and fundraising for their cause to bring about that minority decision.

[@aquari_2344]

One of the things that pushed the republicans to the right was the tea party, a competitor right wing party that siphoned some votes from the repubs. Its not so much that they didnt give up voting for republicans at all, and moreso that the republicans shifted to appease the voters every time voters started to give up on repubs and vote for a more radical platform. The difference between the dems and repubs isnt only that the dems take a "holier than thou" approach to legislation but also that the repubs only try to appeal to their own base, and the dems shame their base into overlooking their attempts to appeal to the republicans'.

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

That's a good point too. If nothing else the GOP and repubs have been relentless in this goal

[@xg3k]

Lol thinking that the majority are for abortions was your first mistake. Please… continue making them. It makes me smile. Spanish people will make up the majority of America in the next 20-30 years… you haven’t seen what real conservatism looks like yet.. but you will.

[@hicklebear2339]

@@jazwhoaskedforthis you say "relentless." i say pure evil.

[@julieann287]

So it is time to get to work!

[@vickygraham2444]

"The unborn" are a convenient group of people to advocate for. They never make demands of you; they are morally uncomplicated, unlike orphans, they don't need money, education, or childcare; they allow you to feel good about yourself without any work at creating or maintaining relationships; and when they are born, you can forget about them, because they cease to be unborn. It's almost as if, by being born, they have died to you. You can love the unborn and advocate for them without substantially challenging your own wealth, power, or privilege, without re-imagining social structures, apologizing, or making reparations to anyone. They are, in short, the perfect people to love if you want to claim you love Jesus but actually dislike people who breathe.

[@simonb4689]

You have no idea what pro lifers think

[@parkertufts5251]

Really convenient to murder too. They don't complain much.

[@nateauld]

Or they matter just as substantially as people who are 'inconvenient' to love. Also abortion primarily focuses on removing those who are or will be 'inconvenient to love'.

[@parkertufts5251]

I'm not religious, but if it kicks me when I try to rip it's legs off, it's probably alive.

[@Marijuanifornia]

@@simonb4689 "Pro-lifers" don't think. They want to ban abortion to "save the unborn" but cut school funding, lunch programs, extracurricular activities, community centers, living wages and healthcare from those already born. They also want guns in every classroom to reduce school shootings.

[@cutecats532]

They've been working on the "seperation of church and state" clause since they put "in god we trust" on our money. Think Roe v. Wade was a long game? Hoh boy....

[@anthonytwohill9726]

And adding "under god" to the pledge of allegiance. Maniacs.

[@thegratefulsteve]

Pledging allegiance is brainwashing

[@theBear89451]

@@anthonytwohill9726 In the '50s, the US was on an anti-separation trend, just like the woke trend today. That trend is over. Pretending it still exists is just nonsense.

[@njits789]

ALL your presidents ask God to bless America, too.

[@feynmanschwingere_mc2270]

@@njits789 but i thought the founder were inviolable geniuses whos every word we should follow as originally intended? Isnt that the conservative paradigm? What happened to the separation of church and state?

[@edwink1467]

19:45 Couldn't have said it better. This is coming from the "don't tread on me" and "small government" party. For people so concerned about government overreach, they sure as hell don't mind the government telling women what they can or cannot do with their body.

[@jamesolmsted3471]

Kinda the same as how the Confederacy was all gung-ho about states rights, until slaves started escaping to union states, when they tried to get the federal government to override those states’ laws and force them to return these freed slaves. Almost like conservatives are all hyprocrites

[@godfunk]

“This was a desire in search of a rational.” Jon’s the GOAT, now and always

[@Mr.DJones]

Great content. Why don't we have women like this in our congress? John, can we please have these three women back in the future? Basically, only 1 % get involved. The other 99% sit on the couch, complain about everything, and do nothing. The American way is to not get involved if it doesn't affect them personally. Do you really think men really give a crap about women? Oh, and men are in charge right now.

[@hawaiian_hugo_stiglitz7583]

Trynna virtue-signal your way into some poon-tang my boy?

[@Andrew-pb6hy]

We don't act because nothing gets done. The democrats took all of our effort and just did nothing. Why support people who barely even try?

[@Mr.DJones]

@@hawaiian_hugo_stiglitz7583 Could you please but that in english. Thanks.

[@Mr.DJones]

@@Andrew-pb6hy Agree. Yet they get re-elected almost every time. And not acting because nothing gets done is the reason nothing gets done. :)

[@CG_Hali]

Not many are but the Squad is trying and I often see them encouraging people to come vote out for new progressive women and men. AOC for example has been fundraising directly for supporting women who have lost access, she's posted links and videos to show how to protect themselves against these new awful laws and she answers back to critics who think we're overreacting. We need to push their work forward and make progressive democrats more known!

[@peterverdon645]

This was an excellent discussion. Going to share this with many people. Thank you Jon!! Keep it up!!

[@kfleming78]

it doesn't add to anything - it's 3 affirmative action lawyers all in agreement that they have the right to be baby murdering hoes. This video changes NO MINDS AT ALL lmao - it just gives leftists a false sense of logic that they would get obliterated using in the real world

[@Ahoj4U]

Jon's pro-abort, tee hee hee.

[@flavoredwallpaper]

I really like the marriage between these two podcasts. Great conversations between legal scholars and a very smart layman.

[@bjkarana]

@2:40 - "This was a desire in search of a rationale." Such a succinct description of the whole issue. Excellent conversation!

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

And whenever someone retorts with adoption being a better solution to abortion you can point out that adoption is a solution for parenting, abortion is a solution for not being pregnant.

[@democracy189]

" The dogma just caught the car".... OMG, that is as concise, satirical, ironic comment I've heard in...forever! This is an incredibly insightful and articulate woman. I wouldn't want to debate with her, even if it was an issue I am fiercely knowledgeable in. She thinks on her feet and could wear down the most cunning adversary in an honest forthright discourse. She's incredible.... 👍🙂

[@BON3SMcCOY]

Their own podcast is great

[@nenmaster5218]

@@BON3SMcCOY GREAT VIDEO but lets not forget, Criticiting Unhealthy Religion (including Conservatives) is literally the Bread-and-Butter of some. Atheist-KZbinrs are literally the Main-Source of Criticism-for-Conservatives (the guys behind the Abortion-Chaos and more). I mean, if you wanna fight-back aginast Unhealthy-Religion and a coming-Theorcracy, A-Channel are THE thing for you.

[@CribNotes]

They're not as smart as you think. None of them get it about the issue of abortion. They're all fighting the wrong war. Of course they're losing on this issue.

[@jjmcwill1881]

Really you find that to be an insightful argument? Good Lord man. Thats known as an anecdote. These ladies did not put forth a single compelling argument of defense for their views. You want to know why? Because the isn't any. All they can do is bitch like petulant children over not getting what they wanted. Thats what this was and nothing more and I was goping to here a goid debate.

[@francookie9353]

@@CribNotes care to elaborate?

[@gwenfooteprints]

Thank you for mentioning "Uncle Tom's Cabin"! So many do not know it or understand it. It was written by my 4th cousin, Harriet Beecher Stowe- who was an abolitionist, and was a catalyst for the Civil War! It should be taught to understand the impact of slavery and importance of autonomy of each person's body. I read it in the 4th grade- family teaching of family authors.

[@kennethward4985]

90% of slaves were owned by Democrats, or Dixiecrats as they were known. Some of the owners were even black.

[@catandrobbyflores]

I managed to get my hands on a really old copy and it has a forward by the author and its quite fascinating to see her thoughts uncensored and unedited.

[@टैं]

@Chad Abercrombie sad

[@WomenSense1]

@Chad Abercrombie so you're not voting for desantis? Chump is losing popularity with your fellow chumpites!

[@carlamgraca]

Seeing this from the EU, when Jon says "We'll be like EU!" makes me shake my head and think "It will take you about 50 more years of evolution to become EU". Not that we are problem free... Right wing parties are rising, climate crisis is becoming more extreme and corruption is rampant. But at least we have healthcare for all, reproductive rights and paid vacation time! :)

[@carlamgraca]

@ABC123 Please explain THAT to me. I lived in Portugal, Spain, Italy and Germany all my reproductive life and I'm not sure how you got that idea... Yes, Poland and Hungary have a stricter abortion policy, unfortunately... But on both countries the extreme right controls the government, so I guess that's expected.

[@carlamgraca]

@ABC123 and how many people seeking abortions in the US of A are harassed for just searching reproductive care (I don't even mean abortion), or bullied because they have had an abortion of a baby they desperately wanted? How many people habe access to safe, segure and guilt and shame-free abortions? Please let me know. By the way, in Portugal the abortion is completely free up to 10 weeks, but in cases of rape, fetus malformation, or mother endangerment, it's allowed until birth.

[@carlamgraca]

@ABC123 apparently, tge hysterics of the pro-life have been even more effective. Anyway, the thing is, I don't feel this burden about reproductive care in any place I've ever lived... Seriously, I think USA has a lot to learn with Europe - and yes, that includes reproductive rights.

[@liliar9992]

@ABC123 Russia has 12 week limit but abortion is free, done by any gyn provider without an appointment. 93% abortions in the US is done before 13 weeks and women have yo jump through hoops to get them done. Only 7% done later and ALWAYS for medical/ fetal issues. There are statistics you can google.

[@martinafredriksson9392]

@ABC123 and sweden.

[@susanrosegale6646]

Love these women - grateful for them.

[@kirstenstewart5758]

This was a great and illuminating discussion, fantastic to hear from informed and intelligent women at the forefront of this issue and this fight.

[@erica.7231]

This fight? rvw was based on privacy and not women's rights specifically. Why didn't these oh-so-great people try to create a better safeguard or even people like them? Because they are more about the press than women's rights. rvw was always weak and easily attackable. To think that there would be enough judges to protect such a weak ruling always and forever is arrogant

[@chezmoi42]

@@erica.7231 How's _your_ 'right to privacy' about now?

[@erica.7231]

​@@chezmoi42 So you disagree with what rvw was argued on or?

[@chezmoi42]

@@erica.7231 I"m no constitutional lawyer, but privacy seems like a very fundamental right to me. When you look at the other rights that are based on that same suddenly-fragile foundation, how do you feel? (You know, the ones Clarence Thomas told us are next in line on the chopping block.) Even if you don't mind having the government tell you what you can and can't do in your bedroom, or with whom, what about all the privacy issues that are arising with the electronics that are infiltrating into our lives? On what basis will you now argue for protection of your personal data?

[@erica.7231]

@@chezmoi42 I don't disagree with you on privacy but it is more than that. I'm sure we both know it isn't a law but used as a reference on how to make a ruling based on that ruling. And that is part of the problem. So I looked up the reasons why it's quite a weak ruling which you can find on google I'm sure. 1. abortion was not mentioned in the constitution. 2. the u.s. had no cultural history of abortion. 3. abortion is fundementally different then contraception, marriage and sex life because it destroys fetal life. 4. It silences the woman of individual states by it being enforced federally. I get you may want to mix modern-day ideas into the mix but none of these arguments are wrong. It was always something to be knocked down. if you needed a majority of like-minded judges to preserve it, it would have went down another day anyway.

[@kylezo]

I feel like I should add to the conversation that the right is more fluent in occupying systems of power because they have an ideological alignment with authoritarianism. This is why they're more adept at aggression and oppression. The left has to find a way to transform its humanitarian urges into swift and decisive action.

[@spacejunky4380]

If you yell and bereate the other sides with enough good personal attacks you're bound to make people ohh and aww at your way of, "making America great again" bullshit. I hate our politics because it's just this stupid spectacle that people start cheering at when either side has a good jabe for the other one. Or when one side can find some nice, juicy, dirt to sling at them. Like fuck, shouldn't we have some decorum before we immediately get outraged and want to fight someone if you disagree with them. When did understanding the other side become less, and less, popular? Fucking learned that shit in pre-k

[@oliviaturner7388]

So true! I worked for a progressive peace organization for a few years, and in the end, I left, disillusioned. Mostly because, they could never take decisive action on anything. They had to hear everyone out, and deliberate on different opinions for hours, very anti top down, so many times, things just got left undone, because who’s going to challenge them, and whip them up into action? Deadlines were often moved months and months, just a lot of talking and debating. So I fully understand what you mean. On the other hand, Right wing people and the Christian Right, are used to following orders, are used to a very strict, unquestioned authoritarian way of doing things, so if the leader said, this is what we’re doing, no one thinks to question, they just all fall in line with one determined focus point and outcome. That’s one key reason why they’re so successful, plus, they invoke God in everything and claim that this is God’s plan. And once they say that, it’s done. No one wants to be seen as defyingGod’s plan, or violating his edicts, or seen as sinners, or rebels. So the commitment levels are very strong, because it’s underpinned in a very strong religious conviction. And many would rather die, give their lives willingly, than go against their religious convictions.

[@harriet.z]

So true

[@graymalkin79]

Teddy Cruz literally stood up in court and very seriously declared that "there was no constitution right to stimulate one's own genitals" when defending Texas's ban on sex toys. A masturbation ban is not entirely out of the possibly given the fevered state of the conservative brain.

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

First I've heard of this, Texas is seriously considering a ban on sex toys, too? WTF is their problem? I've heard of many stories where deeply religious people have been sent to adult stores by their pastors (with restrictions on what they can and can't look at-no porn, for example, but sex toys are okay), in order to help a married couple that is struggling sexually.

[@michelleshava1477]

This conversation was EVERYTHING. Sharing it with all my friends

[@theGoodlife119]

I shared! #WomenRights #TheProblemWithJonStewart

[@TheAbandonedAccount7]

I'm sure in your little brain, it was

[@carlb1409]

Here's a little story about what GUILT imposed on a particular woman for having an abortion had caused years of harm on her. And I don't congratulate myself for it. But I will remember it forever. Full story is I met her after/on New Years Eve. She was explaining why she had hurt herself and hated herself for more than 10 years was because she "hated" herself for getting abortion back then. My sympathy in all these instances and background in psychology led me to blurt out that "God 'kills' 'babies' all the time." Women lose pregnancies everyday. If life is so precious and a God values life above all, why does he "murder" "babies" SO OFTEN????? She told me the next day that that had really clicked with her in that moment. She didn't hate herself or feel as guilty. That she no longer felt she had "killed" a "baby" like smothering an infant. (EZ sidenote example - my sister was overjoyed that she was pregnant a 2nd time. Waited that 3 months before telling anyone. Super happy. Then found she lost the pregnancy at about 6 months when there was no longer a heartbeat. I remember and I had to babysit my nephew Andrew while she then went to the doctor for the treatment. She never wanted and her and my brother-in-law never did/tried to get pregnant again. "God" "killed" that "baby". And this woman had to explain to her little son why her belly wasn't big and that he was NOT going to be a big brother.) "God's" will?

[@biocapsule7311]

That's kind of the thing with the 'killing babies' narrative. Those who subscribe to it always imagine fetuses as 'babies', post birth, in your arms or even crawling around infants. And when they made accusations, people imagine that too. When people think of babies dying, there is of course pain and lost. But it's all fabricated scenarios in the mind. And for that image formed purely in their minds, they are going to force their will on women. That I always consider a form of rape, without the act of sex. They use other people to fulfill a fantasy they form in their minds.

[@havable]

When god does the opposite of what they think he ought to do, they say, "god works in mysterious ways."

[@lolodee3528]

Proves two things. God doesn’t know what he’s doing, and god is the game those Pharisees are playing. With OTHERS.

[@thor9563]

You need prayer to the Living God who giveth AND taketh, including life. You aren't smart enough to judge God. You are a creation who rises up to curse the God who made you. That's not stupid. It's evil.

[@suen5006]

Except God has nothing to do with it. Shit happens.

[@willoosthuizen5864]

Listening to this, sounds like the plot of the prequel to the Handmaid's Tale.

[@a.i.8583]

Oh, shut up

[@IMatchoNation]

Conservatoids were watching like "write that down, write that down!"

[@johnbuckner2828]

Do you honestly think the government is going to round up women and forcefully impregnate them? Or is this just hyperbolic push back against the decision?

[@zane4218]

A very important and insightful discussion, thank you John/Leah/Melissa/Kate everyone who put this together!

[@Gnofg]

I am close to Alito's age and he was the snitch in the dorms who went to the RA complaining about the pot smokers. These justices all went to private schools and have stayed in that bubble for the entire lives. Barrett is in a cult where you ask the other cultist's if it okay to marry your "husband". Kavanaugh stuck his manhood in a woman's face. My conservative friend from Yale who was there the same time as Kavanaugh has no doubt he did it. Ramirez has stayed at his apartment at Yale. These people are weirdo's.

[@mjinba07]

Not his manhood, just his dck. 'Cause manhood means actually being an adult.

[@stephenmabry2866]

Yet Biden has no desire to increase the # of justices. "Na, it's fine like it is." D leadership needs to go.

[@turkeeg7644]

Yessss!!!!!

[@jandrews6254]

Kavanaugh stuck his weeny in a woman’s face. He does not have a manhood

[@DemonDog444]

Michael, you subscribe to the Joe Bidens KZbin channel. Sam Seder and Samantha Bee are embarrassing enough, but admitting you support Joe kinda puts the duct tape on the black plastic trash bag doesn't it?

[@rachelreed68]

We need to stop calling it the "pro-life" movement and start calling it FORCED PREGNANCY movement.

[@CathyS_Bx]

Or Government Mandated Pregnancy!

[@theBear89451]

Although the effort to change the term used to describe Nazis, was successfully changed from left to right, pro-life is too commonly used already.

[@rachelreed68]

@@theBear89451 yep, nothing pro- life about it.

[@cutecats532]

I just call them terrorists. Ever since abortion became legal under Roe they've been threatening, bombing, shooting, and killing people who perform abortions and seek abortions. They are terrorists.

[@ItsAllCulturalMarxism]

Anti-Abortion works too

[@ld4974]

"When Fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis

[@artimp152]

Fascism wasn't part of the founding of a slave owning, native tribe hating government of rich white male only voters ? Isn't it just a Roman democracy waiting for a Cesar... Trump and Putin thought so...so did Davis..

[@CG-bv4of]

such a great podcast with calm, thoughtful insight on what is such a emotive and triggering topic

[@anthonyc8963]

Jon....I don't want to hear you talk about it, I want you to RUN FOR OFFICE. You are exactly the type of person that WILL win. You are the perfect person to counter all the typical Republican attacks and can throw it back in their faces and win broad support of all swing voters. JON STEWART / KATIE PORTER 2024. Can't lose.

[@drewcoowoohoo]

He'd probably get Frankened. He's been a comedian, not grooming himself for the purity we demand of politicians.

[@KENAXION88]

I just need to say, what we're seeing and have been seeing scares the ever loving shit out of me. I don't have anxiety issues, but all of this gives me so much anxiety, that it's almost paralyzing. I'm 34 years old and I feel so powerless in 21st century America.

[@trowawayacc]

Dont feel powerless. If anything this victory proves that hope moves mountains.if in a twisted crazy way

[@Bookhart2]

I’m 68 and I was there in ‘73 when we cheered and cried and sighed in relief. This scares me as much as it does you. It really feels like a bumpy roll down a long rocky hill where someone will end up dead at the bottom.

[@mikearchibald744]

America needs the same democratic revolution that every country needs. America preaches democracy but is one of the few countries to have NEVER had a single national referendum. I don't know what state you are in, but in case you didnt know, there are 19 states which have referenda which are not just disgusted, but are actually having citizens voting on enshrining it into their STATE constitution. So what you see is about 15 really messed up states that have NO democratic recourse or mechanism, the same as at the federal level. If you were in one of those 19 states, you'd be seeing ALL about the power because a referendum is coming. The irony is that anti abortion protestors have felt the same sense of powerlessness, and that translates to almost ALL public policy. Don't you find it odd that something like abortion is being decided by six lawyers in a country that CALLS itself democratic all the time?

[@parkertufts5251]

I'm 32 and it feels like justice to me. Countless lives saved.

[@larsmaurer6738]

@@parkertufts5251 Now there are just dead lives of rich parents who can afford abortions in other states. Not sure if this is the solution to the problem. There would be no anti-abortion laws if rich people could no longer get abortions. The Supreme Court decision only affects poor people and all those who have tried to help them so far.

[@d.d.7797]

Separation of church and state and no taxation without representation. When can all of the states that ratified our constitution stop giving our federal tax money to the states that want theocracy and chattel slavery?

[@sandywaters1153]

And Washington, DC which is not a state & has no representation in Congress but we pay some of the highest federal taxes in the country!

[@ccornell7337]

When the blue states secede which is probably where all of this is heading to. Hopefully the moderate middle will form it's own country because everyone else is nutso.

[@renesotelo275]

My only interaction with abortion is this. In the late 80's I started dating a gal that I just started to work with. After a couple months of dating she told me she was pregnant. She said I'm pregnant but it's not your baby. It's my X-husbands we were still trying to work things out but you came along and I found happiness. I asked her a couple things. I asked her are you going to keep the baby? Because if you do I will support you either way. She replied no I didn't intend to get pregnant but I have a hard decision to make. We cried together for a while and I let her know that it's your decision I'll be with you either way. The second thing I asked her was does he(X-husbands) know? She said no and I don't want him to know so please keep it between us. Which to this day I have. Eventually after crying for days over the tough decision she had to make she decided to have an abortion. She wanted me to take her instead of her mom. The clinic was an hour and 15 minutes away. I remember picking her up. When she got in the car I said to her if you change your mind at anytime we can turn around. We took off. It was a emotional cold ride to the clinic. No music on and very little conversation. I tried to hold her hand a couple times but she didn't want touched. When we arrived at the clinic there were protesters we had to drive through. They screaming baby killer and other horrible things at us. Stepping into the clinic together was something I'll never forget. It was so quiet you could hear the A/C unit blowing the air like it was breathing. It was cold and there was only 1 other person in the clinic. I could feel her fear and see the pain she was carrying in her soul before they called her name. I sat quietly waiting for her to return from the procedure. It was a long and quiet wait. When she finally came out she listened to her last bit of instructions and we walked out together. No holding hands no touching she just wanted to go. As we left the protesters continued there verbal onslaught. The ride home was quiet and cold. She tried holding back the tears but they leaked out from the corner of hers eyes. Finally 15 minutes away from home she let it all out. She cried so hard gasping for breath. I felt so helpless. She wrapped her arms and head around my Free arm and just cried. To this day I believe it changed her so much that our new relationship never had a chance. If anyone who cared to read this all the way through please take a listen to a song called Brick by Ben Folds Five. It's about the same thing. No stance one way or the other just someone going through raw emotions.

[@zinnmarx]

Jon, please run for President, or perhaps Senate. Your finger on the pulse of critical issues and your ability to communicate those issues will galvanize millions of Americans with their heads screwed on straight! Please.

[@SJmystic]

Thank you, Jon, for having a podcast with this focus and for including such an interesting and knowledgeable/informed group of women who can provide the larger context/history from which to consider what has occurred and what it means. I was blown away to learn of the insidiousness in what has culminated in the decision and what that portends for the future. I do, however, remain optimistic that current events are "simply" serving to make visible such underhanded actions, because I am comforted that there are those like you and this group of women out there who are taking action to inform the rest of us so that our eyes are wide open to what is truly occurring and can be a call to action to take the necessary steps to make change. But learning this info is still, just, wow . . .

[@messybench]

I'm loving these brilliant thoughts and analysis Sharing the mic 🎤 👏 well done.

[@gunm808]

"This is an ideology in search of a justification. And the reason they call themselves 'Originalists' is the same reason they quote the Bible. It's Dogma." EXACTLY. This is not about the Constitution, Freedom, or Liberty. It's about a select group of people telling the entire Country--all of America--how to think and what to believe. The exact opposite of what everyone is told America is about.

[@TonyDiem]

This whole 'originalist' thing, reminds me of my time in South Dakota's Deadwood. There's an intersection where a crosswalk light would be very helpful, but they deny putting it in on the grounds that it is not "historic". Well you know what isn't 1876 Deadwood historic, CARS! Such myopathy.

[@AKen_Films]

And now I am remind of the William Shakespeare line, "Even the Devil can cite scripture for his purpose."

[@standyke542]

I don’t want to hear it. People that are anti-gun do the exact same thing when it comes to removing guns, despite 2A being clear as day.

[@TonyDiem]

@@standyke542 "clear as day" interesting the first two clauses of the single sentence amendment are often omitted: " A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State".

[@cainesaintclair1045]

@@standyke542 Never heard an anti gun person screaming about Jesus and his fairy followers? Or using that godawful book to push agenda and PERSONAL opinions and ideologies.

[@Siansonea]

The kidney thing occurred to me too. If you aren't the final word when it comes to your own body, then you do not have life, liberty or the pursuit of anything at all. If a 'potential life' can hijack your bodily autonomy in the case of an unexpected pregnancy, it is not a stretch for the State to decide 'you have an extra kidney and this rich person needs it to live'. Compulsory blood and tissue donation *while you are alive* is not hysterical, is not hyperbole, and could very well happen. It's the logical next step.

[@purplepheasant4776]

You are aware that these things happen all over the world and in the U.S., right? It's called organ harvesting. I don't know what an unexpected pregnancy is. Every sexual encounter is a potential pregnancy. The law is giving fetuses preferential rights over women. Children don't have rights, but the law is giving fetuses rights in the hopes of increasing the white population.

[@carolhudson1732]

I think any pregnant woman in life threatening emergency situations should receive immediate transplant from the biological father of the baby. US has the highest mortality rate for pregnant women by far than any other developed countries. Mortality most commonly happens from sepsis or hemorrhage all of which results in organ failure. If saved in time the lucky ones normally need kidney transplants or stay on dialysis. Sepsis sadly infects the baby also with same deadly results. Especially all the married couples over 40 years old - 55 years considered high risk if they become pregnant. How sad & scary for them knowing they will be denied emergency treatment if something goes wrong. The poor husband's & other children will loose their mother / wife. So since women no longer have liberties or bodily autonomy then the men shouldn't either. They should have to donate blood & if needed their Kidney. If kidney was already donated, well in their logic his life doesn't matter as long as the unborn baby survives, right? Plus you save 2 lives for one. I'm sure all the states that banished abortion without exception even in life threatening situations will quickly allow that exception if men had to loose their kidneys or life. No, I don't want this to happen to men. I'm simply making a point

[@purplepheasant4776]

@@carolhudson1732 Organ donating doesn't work like that. There has to be a donor recipient match and most times requires the same sex donor. I think ppl would be better off getting sterilized in other states if they know they are at high risk if necessary services will not be provided to preserve life and prevent unwanted pregnancy. There have to be alternative realistic options. Women need to start choosing their partners carefully if they haven't already and practice abstinence while they plan their steps. Are there any other ideas while we await the outcome?

[@carolhudson1732]

@@purplepheasant4776 you absolutely do not need same sex donor for kidney transplant. Majority of time spouse / long term partner is ideal match for donation because of amount of shared DNA. I've gone through dialysis & process of kidney transplant after sepsis lead to full organ failure during pregnancy. It was heartbreaking & I was one of very few that lived through it. Sadly my baby didn't survive. I never knew how often this does happen to pregnant women.

[@purplepheasant4776]

@@carolhudson1732 Sorry that you went through this. Every time a child is born it is a miracle because the body has a delicate balance, so many things can go wrong. I am sorry for your loss and happy for your recovery. It is great that your spouse was a match, however this is not always the case. Spouses don't share DNA, but siblings do which is why they are the preferred donor candidates. Same sex donors are not always necessary but ican be a factor and women are more unlikely to be able to donate to men.

[@kgs2280]

This is amazing! What an eye-opener. Thank you, Jon, and thank you, Ladies. What an excellent and intelligent and well-reasoned discussion.

[@Ahoj4U]

You called them "ladies"?? Man you're brave!

[@-._.-KRiS-._.-]

@@Ahoj4U So what pejorative description would you call them, since you clearly want them to be belittled?

[@SlinkyTWF]

"This was a desire in search of a rationale." On the nose, Mr. Stewart. KZbin's "LegalEagle" vlogger dissected the hypocrisy and judicial gymnastics in Alito's opinion.

[@CanuckMonkey13]

What a spectacular episode this was. Four extraordinarily knowledgeable, intelligent people covering a lot of ground in a very condensed but clear way. It was so infuriating to hear all the additional details that I knew nothing about, but so valuable as well.

[@pamelagasparini2243]

I am in Australia & used to visit the US one to three times a year, my son is a dual citizen. No more. I am horrified at the regression of the US on so many levels. I feel so sorry for you all having to fight this repressive female control yet again & the gun control issues which seem ludicrous. Your right to carry arms should be the same as when it was invoked, a musket that takes a minute & a half to load. Mass killings eliminated unless you are slow at running or bad at hiding. This panel is so intelligent & dedicated to the cause. I thank you for highlighting the big picture fight. I’m sorry for the political agenda you face & hope they come up with a legal solution soon. Maybe add to the number of justices on the Supreme Court?

[@louisjones2653]

This was the best conversation I've seen this week about Roe. Please keep it up!

[@Token_Nerd]

Man this was an excellent podcast and totally nails the fallacy of originalism.

[@solario8628]

If Originalism were an actual judicial philosophy, they would be overturning Marbury v Madison and taking away the power of judiciary review. That they don't just shows how it's a thin faux intellectual veneer trying to justify forcing conservative policy through the courts.

[@theBear89451]

Do you really need an explanation of why merging the three branches of government (anti-originalism) is a bad idea? The rule of law says that laws must be independently adjudicated. The job of the other branches is for modern influences. If the court just does what is popular, it becomes just another group of populous politicians.

[@Token_Nerd]

@@theBear89451 One aspect of originalism does not represent the judicial philosophy as a whole. Plenty of other judicial philosophies (textualism for instance) argue for separate branches of government, in fact, I can't think of one mainstream judicial philosophy that advocates for the merging of the branches of government since that is clearly an undemocratic proposal and is blatantly unconstitutional.

[@theBear89451]

@@Token_Nerd The most recent decision is consistent with textualism, so I am not sure how that applies. The legal philosophy the lawyers in this video are endorsing is instrumentalism. Instrumentalism is anti-originalism, not textualism. Instrumentalism is effectively branch merging because, like I said in my response, it makes judges politicians.

[@pdoylemi]

@@theBear89451 While showing that you have no idea what originalism IS, you ALMOST made a good point! The court is not there to just do what is popular. It MUST, however pay attention to modern influences and reasoning in making decisions - ESPECIALLY when overturning a long standing precedent that is ALSO accepted by most Americans. They need iron clad reason for such an action and they did not have any. For example, testing ANY women's rights issue on the basis of being deeply rooted in our history is CRAP! Women didn't have the right to VOTE until 1920. They were excluded from the "democratic" process that determined what rights they had. The fact that it is not SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the Constitution is irrelevant also, as a majority of things we would consider rights are also not mentioned. That's why we have the 9th Amendment: "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."

[@kettle2293]

Excellent content. I'm sorry the topic and times are so difficult. Fabulous panel.

[@na3rial]

Would love to hear these women talk to an originalist professor. I think originalism and constitutionalists are full of it. There is no sense in deifying a piece of writing made by a bunch of men that couldn't even imagine what a car or internet could be in the 21st century

[@CompoundingTime]

Or imagining a gun that can fire more than twice in a minute let alone over 100

[@supascrape2916]

I agree with you, but I think you're confusing the purpose of SCOTUS. We live in a democracy where laws are meant to be voted on by a majority. The defense of "Originalism" is that any other approach would give the court far too much power to frame constitutional law around the views of it's members.

[@chezmoi42]

​@@supascrape2916 Look again. "Originalism" is being used as a screen to disguise the motives of Federalist justices who want to frame their decisions around their personal views.

[@CatManUtdFC]

@@supascrape2916 I kind of agree that it isn't a role the supreme court should have. But, the fact that it's basically impossible to make constitutional change in the way the founders intended (due to partisanship/FPtP) means that it's a role that the supreme court has had to fill. The Supreme court taking an originalist stance leaves the country with no way to adjust with the times.

[@whimsicalstray]

Even Thomas Jefferson stated that the Constitution wasn't perfect and would need to be reformed as society changed. He also spoke against the people who prescribed some form of idolatry to it.

[@soaringkite2673]

What an enthralling and intellectually fascinating discussion!

[@31emxof]

And it's really rich to hear one of these occupiers of the court claim that everyone is just worried about their phones and not the Constitution, yet I, a layperson, seem to know more about the historical context, historical meanings of words being employed, and even the purposeful ordering of sentence-structure in writing those documents. These are just a bunch of unqualified, myopic ideologues. Their decisions and their character are both wholly without merit.

[@Mellow_mee]

These judges are like those interns who picks up ‘relevant’ Paragraphs without checking the context!

[@candymadigan9308]

I've been cassandraing this since Ronald Reagan. I was in my college dormitory elevator when I heard about the assination attempt and I won't lie, I cheered. The football players on the elevator with me looked at me like I was a monster, but I knew what we'd elected. So here we are. It's 40 years later, and every Republican president has been worse than the last. I can barely wait to see the next. {Shudder}

[@erinlennon6036]

Same. Saw the assassination as a fortuitous tragedy. I don't think people really believe in consequences anymore, and those consequences are arriving now.

[@wartgin]

It would have been worse if Reagan had died because then he would have been a martyr and all his legislative objectives would have passed. The only silver lining for us either way was the Republicans at the time became willing to pass the Brady bill as a result which gave us some data about whether gun laws work or not.

[@derrillyager7946]

And don't forget the trickle down theory that has led to the ultra rich owning and manipulating our government for their corporate purposes.

[@RedScareClair]

"They have an idiology and they are retrofitting it with legal scholarship." 🔥

[@theBear89451]

Legal precedent - Name one other law struck down because it infringes on liberty?

[@stirfrybry1]

@@theBear89451 literally happened about a week ago with the open carry laws in blue states

[@theBear89451]

@@stirfrybry1 You are confusing 2nd and 14th Amendments.

[@stirfrybry1]

@@theBear89451 What? Your question was answered. >Name one other law struck down because it infringes on liberty? The prohibition of open carry was found to violate a constitutional right. I didn't confuse anything. Seems you're confused, but who wouldn't expect that from a Jon Stewart fan?

[@theBear89451]

@@stirfrybry1 I was specifically referring the famous quote from the original decision, "This right of privacy, whether it be founded in the Fourteenth Amendment's concept of personal liberty and restrictions upon state action, as we feel it is" The word "liberty" is not in the 2nd Amendment. There is no case similar to the old Roe v Wade decision. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg explains this in an interview.

[@BON3SMcCOY]

Great post production on these episodes

[@joedavis1404]

I love it when smart people talk to one another. I could listen to them all day.

[@laurendaryani4893]

So much new info (to me) in such a small package and regarding such an important issue, I always appreciate it!

[@emilystubbs5650]

@@laurendaryani4893 agreed! With you AND @Joe Davis. I wish I had a list of all the rulings overturned...that they brought up. I want to go research them now. I'm going to have to rewatch.

[@whateverthedaybrings2268]

Let me know when you find some.

[@AtheneHolder]

surely, makes my mind do backflips and stimulates conversation. things that can't be replaced

[@seananthonymcdonald7498]

Where did you go for that, because it wasn't here?

[@laylaluv655]

I loved this video, I didn’t love the fact that this conversation has to happen. But so informative each and every woman on here was so smart and gave me more information About what’s going on that I read or listen to in the last few weeks. Thank you