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Rogal Dorn, known as "The Vigilant," the "Praetorian of Terra" and the "Unyielding One," and to his gene-sons by the "wall-name" of "Defiance," was the primarch of the Imperial Fists Space Marine Legion and one of the greatest heroes in the history of the Imperium of Man.
A being of thunderous zeal and stone made manifest is how many described the primarch of the VIIth Legion. He had a stern and naturally unsmiling face, topped with an unruly shock of short, bone-white hair. His zeal was the fire of a son who believed in his father's dream for the Imperium without reservation and without question.
To Rogal Dorn there was no higher purpose to the existence of the Legiones Astartes than the unification of Mankind, and the illumination of the Imperium's ideals. This idealism drove Dorn and his Legion ever onwards, never compromising, never stinting in any aspect of duty. The stone in his soul was his ability to bear whatever his father needed of him, an unyielding nature, which made him both a master of defence in war, and an indomitable aggressor on the attack.

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[@AndyTF141]

You should've made the title: Discipline, Duty, Illiteracy

[@Stein871]

yo, Dorn is the one that rebuilt and brought the Phalanx back to life after he found it in the void. He gave it to the emperor as a gift of good will, which emps returned later to his legion

[@Demonica2539]

I'm no fan of the imperium, but when I listened to baldermort's video series on Dorn it made me want to give him a hug

[@tiedend4262]

Hey guys, I was wanting to download the episode for while I'm at work. (Big fan btw) I was wondering when yall will make it download able! Much love from Missouri (pronounced Mi-sery)

[@Madjo-qj2ge]

Bricky, did you watch Lie to Me?

[@funnyman4311]

"Guilliman, I have something to show you." "Yes, brother Dorn?" "This relic is something I have cherished dearly for Millenia." "And what is this relic?" "You will see" *Dorn proceeds to open several layers of doors and vaults revealing a small lockbox* "Dorn, may I ask what's in the box?" "This, Guilliman, is my blankie." "Your blankie?" "Yes." "You keep a blanket as a sacred relic?" "Yes." "I see." "Guilliman, I would request you keep this as a secret between you and I. None can know about the sacred blankie." "I shall respect your wish, brother."

[@imtired9395]

I could absolutely see this being a scene in a Heresy novel.

[@stankobarabata2406]

Which is why I love this guy and Fists are my favorite. As much of a gigachad stoic manly man he is, he's got this soft side that's incredibly endearing.

[@genericuser984]

read in tts Door voice, 12/10

[@isaactelesco2141]

Genuinely, this might be the most pseudo-cannon example of the real brotherhood between the primarchs

[@funnyman4311]

@@isaactelesco2141 That's some high praise, thank you!

[@jakebailey1636]

if I recall right, Dorn actually is the only Primarch who was never at any point the victim of an attempt to corrupt him, Even Gulliman got that. Fulgrim mocks him, saying his walls are falling, his legion dying, and the fucker just says "No"

[@theemperorschosen7607]

Dorn never had an attempt. Bobby has had plenty of attempts. And Lion has once. All three of their balls are so big they never even thought about it.

[@gringlebandersnatch]

Fulgrim basically mocks him saying 'aww Rogal, aren't you going to tell me I can be saved' to which he responds 'no' and starts wailing on him with storms teeth.

[@TheNaturalnuke]

@@gringlebandersnatch “My son’s anger is greater than his skill.” *puts Sigismund down* “Mine, is not.”

[@JumbleMumble]

That moment is why I love Dorn. The exchange between him and Fulgrim is such a great piece of writing and i'm convinced Dorn could have taken out Fulgrim there if it wasn't for his snakeification

[@jakebailey1636]

@@JumbleMumble most likely. Fulgrim was a talented swordsman but he would probably toy and flaunt in his ego. Dorn would probably just bonk him with that chainsword second he could

[@Strikerdude213]

Father, have you ever heard the phrase "you are what you eat." Because right now you are behaving like a pile of a screaming, psychic children.

[@dragonking8085]

Why do I hear his voice

[@scooterdescooter4018]

they REALLY should have gotten Dorns TTS voice actor for this episode.

[@brothercaptainaurelian1386]

Father!? Is it realy you my Primarch!?

[@gonkgamer3471]

I'm so glad I found your comment I was looking for it

[@manemperorofmankind12]

Shut up Rogal

[@pathfindersavant3988]

Bricky: "He is a brick." Rogal: "I am not a brick, talkative one. A brick is an inanimate rectangular box-shaped building component of varying composition used in aggregate with other bricks and components to construct three dimensional structures. I, am a person."

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

I read that in his tts voice

[@goldenguardian8753]

@@mikoajciemiega8018 same

[@shekel7843]

@@mikoajciemiega8018 it’s impossible not to

[@taurock96]

Kurze be like "I can make three dimensional structures with persons too, what's your point ?"

[@pennding3415]

"I am literally a primarch. A brick wall is a far weaker structure compared to me"

[@tedculbertson6320]

Someone on reddit asked why Dorn's hair is different in every picture of him. I gave what I thought was a very reasonable response, he chooses the hairstyle that best supports the defense of his current location.

[@jamesgreen90]

… I GUESS?!?!

[@datorin2653]

Well I mean that’s true for historical figures in real life. I imagine that a galactic empire would also have a similar problem. Most likely even

[@datorin2653]

Worse*

[@jocosesonata]

I wonder what products he uses to shield himself from being stinky. I assume it's high-grade stuff, and following this logic, Rogal Dorn must smell amazing.

[@bad-people6510]

He was very fashion conscious over the years.

[@The_Blood_Wraith]

The emperor didn't build the Phalanx, Dorn has it in Inwit when the emperor arrived, Dorn gave it to the emperor as a show of his pledge of loyalty, and the emperor immediately gave it back to him along with his new legion.

[@RadioactiveBear]

Was just about to point that out.

[@Tucker0603]

Yeah he found it in the Inwit system, the thing is from the dark age of technology if I remember.

[@GotrekGurnisson]

Source?

[@zevriungames7463]

The phalanx was like dorns project car and the big E showed up and pimped his ride

[@brianfarris5676]

@@Tucker0603 this guy knows whats up. Dorn did not build the Phalanx. It was found in the nearby system as an abandoned relic from the dark age of technology.

[@D0NTF34R]

"Magic pain glove, tell me what to do." *Screams in sheer agony* "The glove has spoken."

[@SCP-173_]

“I am reinstalling the palace”😊

[@moodyowlproductions4287]

Me"Magic pain glove,what should I do"?(glove falls off) me"your services is no longer required"

[@art-o-cart5166]

I am fortifying this position

[@quillion0877]

I'm surprised he would even make the metaphor "glove has spoken" He would've been like "gloves don't speak, they do not have mouths..."

[@gatordragon6140]

​@@SCP-173_slave says what?

[@Qardo]

"I was dead. In pretend. By pretending." -Rogal Dorn on his return.

[@charleshalcomb5638]

He didn't die, he was cuddling his robe blankie for 10,000 years

[@Qardo]

@@charleshalcomb5638 I had a Power Ranger moment reading "10,000 years"...

[@charleshalcomb5638]

@@Qardo is this a boomer joke I'm too gen z to understand?

[@Qardo]

@@charleshalcomb5638 Watch Emperor Text-to-Speech to get it.

[@ahoyturtle]

"Pretending" is suspiciously close to "Lying", Dorn...

[@catbug5255]

“No.” -Rogal Dorn; The Vigliant, Praetorian of Terra, Blade of the Emperor, Lord of the Phalanx, Castellan of Inwit, Best Treehouse Architect in the Galaxy, Crusader of Useless Exposition, Lord Adorable, The Unyielding One and Primarch and Sire of the Imperial Fists Chapter The Horus Heresy: The Siege of Terra book 5: Saturnine Page 395

[@iceee420]

Excellent quote, one of my favorites from Rogal

[@felipeaugusto2600]

Yes

[@C4Cole05]

@@felipeaugusto2600 He was simply being dead... in pretend

[@hanshirt2953]

And Primarch of the fist brain

[@sethierot7067]

XD underrated my dude Truly superb like our Lords Waffles

[@namdot59]

The idea of Dorn just standing at a work station, building and planning away, while his brothers around him disappear as time goes on just sounds devastating. With each loss, his head slumps just a little, his shoulders lower ever so slightly, until at the end he is just alone, holding his head in his hands, silently weeping, as all the loss and his guilt overcomes him. That's just painful.

[@jocosesonata]

Yeah, he definitely seems like the type of guy who bottles up his pain, and distracts himself with work. Until the work can no longer stave away the pain. "I have to be strong. My brothers rely on me. There's no point in weeping." Seems like something he would say to himself like a mantra. It starts off with conviction and grit, and ends with his voice cracking and whispery.

[@robrib2682]

@@jocosesonata yup, that's kind of the reason why I hope eventually in at least the current swing of things with the indomitous crusade that he will make an appearance or at least have implications that he's probably still alive and helping his father's work

[@riven5677]

I also think rogal would be heartbroken to see what the imperium became as even though he was fanatically loyal to the emperor but he was also loyal to the emperor’s imperium and just seeing his father’s legacy become twisted like that would be awful. Honestly it might be a good thing he died in the 31 millennium cause at least some of his brothers still lived and the imperium didn’t become the husk it is now

[@stankobarabata2406]

That's what makes him so relatable and human to me. Under all his seriousness and stoicism, he's still a human being with emotions. He also reminds me of me a little - I was always the type of guy to really bottle up all my frustrations for the sake of not losing face in front of other people, even my own parents. Sometimes, I was just... really sad, sitting alone in my room or in private. I've cried alone, I've even cursed everything around me. But never in front of other people. Lately I've learned to let loose more, and use humor to cope with tense situations. I've become less like Dorn but at the same time - my seriousness for everything I've set out to do is still there.

[@jocosesonata]

@@stankobarabata2406 Thank you for sharing. This really endears Dorn even more to me, now that there's an actual person that relates to how he is like. He is strong, he is a wall, he will not break against the tides of war... But they do leave their mark.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

Dorn treats everybody like they're a brick in the wall, he respects them, understands everyone is needed to hold the wall up, but also needs those bricks to be in their places

[@Become-Eggplant]

what about Sigismund?

[@SamueL-td7fb]

@@Become-Eggplant "but also needs those bricks to be in their place"

[@bioraidos5454]

@@Become-Eggplant he is an absolute lunatic. Sorry, was. May siggi boy rest in peace(s)

[@easonyeung2779]

@@SamueL-td7fb And sometimes that place for the brick is in your hands, being swung at an opponent's head.

[@cyberus1438]

And sometimes those bricks need to be placed into an extreme vector oriented to the enemies cranium

[@DvDMADNo1]

‘Sigismund’s courage sometimes outstrips his abilities.’ Fulgrim stopped. He turned. He smiled with blood-pinked teeth. Rogal Dorn glared back at him. He flexed his grip on his raised greatsword. ‘Mine doesn’t,’ said Dorn.

[@0mn0mable]

So how did Dorn fail at the Iron Cage? Failure of courage, or failure of ability? Gotem. This post brought to you by Iron Warriors ganggang

[@Johan_the_Marshal]

@@0mn0mable He went into it willingly you legion of petulant man babies. Your response denotes a lack of maturity. This is why Dorn was chosen as the builder of the Imperial Palace and not you lot.

[@loganparry2676]

@@0mn0mable neither, not like dorn was sieging the iron cage himself

[@Fourtytwo4242]

@@0mn0mable Dorn failed because he wanted to fail, he went in without a plan, without a real goal, it was short of his suicide or his victory. No matter what dorn would get what he wanted....until guilliman came in and snapped him back to reality.

[@555tork]

@@Fourtytwo4242 he also managed to fight the Iron Warriors to a stalemate despite being at every conceivable disadvantage. the ultramarines arriving stopped both legions wiping each other out to the last.

[@testinghydra5652]

One thing that isn't well known as its pretty new lore from the siege of terra, Abbadon went to meet with Perty on how the siege was going, but Perturabo wasn't in his command throne where all the information outlets were. This confused Abby so he questioned Perturabo, and Perturabo revealed that in the past, before the Heresy he and Dorn would run simulations against each other, but Perturabo would always lose. In a rare moment, Perturabo asked Dorn how he was doing it. And Dorn told him, he said that at times he stepped back from the simulations to reflect on other things which helped him clear his mind. Perturabo found that it did indeed actually help him and respected Dorn for sharing it with him.

[@lowbridge4080]

I just imagined Rogal and Perturabo just playing poker for some reason and everytime Perturabo seems to get the upper hand, Rogal just shows his card and then wins.

[@Jsay18]

If Dorn wasn't so damn blunt and better with his words, and Perdy not such a snob and know it all, they would've been best friends.

[@lowbridge4080]

@@Jsay18 it would've been best if some of their brothers actually tried to make them reconcile and see that they aren't so different afterall. Meanwhile, what we got was a bunch of kids trying their best to impress their dad only for their dad to select few of his kids to give attention too leaving the rest as just nuisances.

[@GamerGrovyle]

@@lowbridge4080 Would the Primarchs raised under the flag of the Imperium like the Emperor intended have been stronger or weaker for it. I imagine they would be better coordinated but them being raised on different planets is also what made them strong and unique.

[@lowbridge4080]

@@GamerGrovyle my guess is that the Primarchs would've been balanced as individuals. Konrad wouldn't be paranoid of his gift of foresight. Perturabo's somewhat feeling of anxiety towards seeing the Eye of Terror everyday would've been solved thanks to the Emperor's logical reasoning behind such a thing. Lorgar's obsession of faith would be quelled early on and would probably accept the cold harsh truth of the the Imperium. Basically, everything bad or flawed about the Primarcha would've been mitigated or outright corrected if there was proper oversight but it does rob us the distinct personalities they all have. It would be like buying an unpainted warhammer 40k mini, it's just vanilla if you don't put any some characteristics in them like painting them or customizing them to your own liking.

[@mutantmaster1]

my favorite comment on TTS Dorn was that he was the Dictionary definition of literal, so when he said he had only seen Lorgar copulate with a book, he had literally seen Lorgar f*** a book

[@jtmartin1170]

I mean, it’s probably canon. He and Fulgrim probably worked together on that little “project”.

[@exudeku]

@@jtmartin1170 what chaos do to a mf

[@gatordragon6140]

Still not as good as "slave says what?"

[@secretname2670]

​@@gatordragon6140NO. I AM REINSTALLING THE IMPERIAL PALACE.

[@matteocdt5214]

​@@secretname2670"please do not do this"

[@gregs1245]

The phalanx is the absolute apex of the imperial firsts logic. If enemies don't come to your fortified position bring the fortified position to your enemies.

[@shadowsketch926]

people always say the best defense is a good offense, but what if the defence IS the offense!

[@GearShotgun]

Besieging your enemies AND fortifying your position. Truly, this is nirvana for the Imperial Fists

[@Archon3960]

A logic also called: punch a square into a round hole so that it fits. X)

[@dikkie1000]

Dropping a fortress on top of your enemy is a form of offensive use of defensive material. It's like the shieldbash.

[@gregs1245]

@@dikkie1000 If brute force doesn't work you're not using enough of it.

[@nedcurfman3486]

Just remember: Dorn is the only Primarch that Horus straight up didn’t even bother trying to convince to turn to Chaos, because he knew that there was not a chance in hell that Dorn would EVER betray the Imperium

[@andrejjelcic3675]

Thats bullshit.

[@benjaminhartsock3281]

@@andrejjelcic3675 Why? The dude literally weakened demons with the breadth of his resolve.

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

@@andrejjelcic3675 how so?

[@rakshithanand8262]

Russ was similarly left alone. The best that Horus could do was send him after Magnus with deniability because, in the Emperor's own words; "Russ is true hearted, one of the few I know will NEVER fall"

[@MydasAU]

The lion?

[@95keat]

14:36 he actually lined the inside of his armor with the fur so he would never forget his foster father

[@_NIKOS9_NIKOS]

The more I learn about Dorn, the more I get his TTS and HunterThe Parenting characterization. Like, the part when Bricky said that the I. Fist operate like the US military made all those American jokes make soo much more sense

[@SamueL-td7fb]

DON'T MENTION THE ENGLISH ROYALTY IN FRONT OF BOY!

[@michaelwebster3124]

Boy, sing our national anthem

[@iambumbo7534]

WE’RE ALL LIVING IN AMARICA-

[@Goblinoiddoof]

I raised Door of a diet of self-caught spy rats and look how he turned out! HE BECAME AMERICAN!

[@wyvern_wolf2821]

@@Goblinoiddoof ISN'T IT AWFUL

[@Vintagegaston]

The closest Dorn ever came to lying that I know of is when he didn’t tell Sanguinius and the Khan that Vulcan was guarding Big E. It was a lie of omission but it still ate at him

[@GearShotgun]

Dorn: (conceals the tiniest of truths from someone) “MUST. HOLD. FIRM.”

[@sheriffhotdog1443]

Vulcan was guarding the emperor?

[@Archon3960]

@@sheriffhotdog1443 Against Magnus. It is in the _Fury of Magnus_ Horus Heresy story.

[@user-mh2lw4om8h]

The biggest lie that he told is hiding what happened to the 2nd and the 11th , he personally asked The sigillite to alter everyone's memories to hide their fate.

[@cathrax]

I believe dorn lies about what happened on Pluto with the alpha legion to khan and sanguinius.

[@you1027]

The thing to remember about Dorn, is that as a primarch, he is a bio supercomputer of calculation and data crunching behind his every take. He's not just some hardass stubborn dude set in his ways out of ignorance or whatever ad hominem, he *knows* what he *knows*.

[@p00tis]

Him and Perty are more like calculators with human chassis.

[@thelouster5815]

“I am not a computer. I am Rogal Dorn.”

[@DemonBlanka]

I think dorns still alive for two main reasons: 1. Abaddon and the traitors would absolutely parade around his body (parts) and gloat if they managed to catch him or do some absolutely heinous shit and throw it in the imperiums face 2. It would be incredibly lame and unsatisfying if the mystery of his disappearance turned out to be he was dead the whole time.

[@4_mana528]

He is dead... In pretend...

[@floridaball4896]

The 1st reason you mentioned is the same reason I think hes still alive and the forces of chaos would have rubbed it in the face of the imperium if they'd managed to kill Rogal Dorn

[@dimensionalshade8290]

The second reason well... i dont put it past GW to do something stupid like that

[@vaguedreams]

Abbadon has a warriors nobility. he respected Sigismunds body and would likely do the same for Dorn. i don't think GW ever intended to bring back Dorn as Kurz's visions never failed. they were quite clear in the vision but people just kept coming up with theories right? the lore has changed dramatically since though, and Dorn's popularity can't be ignored. wouldn't it be funny if Dorn is behind the league of Wotan. He saw where humanity was going and said fuck it, I'll build the empire here with this group.

[@mapleflag6518]

@@vaguedreams But now I’m imagining that Dorn will rejoin.

[@schoenperkins8210]

I love Dorn because he embodies everything that Chaos isn’t. He specifically is the antithesis of the dark gods

[@MrSamulai]

He's honorable, brave and wrathful. Khorne loves that. He's stoic and enduring. Nurgle loves that. He's very prideful and tortures himself as meditation. Slaneesh loves that. He likes to plan, to build, to bring about a better tomorrow. Tzeentch loves that.

[@ratinc.t3748]

No he embodies what chaos is supposed to be.

[@oH_._]

He is everything Chaos wishes they could have, for their team, but will never ever receive, because his only flaw (for chaos) is that he is loyal to the wrong team.

[@chestnut4860]

Until big E turns into a chaos god of obedience and zealtotry......

[@AsbestosMuffins]

My favorite thing about Dorn is that for all their cunning, manipulation, and martial prowess, dorn just chopped up an Alpharius with his fuckoff big chainsword like the brick wall of will he is.

[@theemperorschosen7607]

"Brother wait." "Chainsword does go BRRRR brother." -Dorn to Alpharius, M32

[@tdab3883]

alpharius? that's a weird way to say omegon

[@__-tp4tm]

@@tdab3883 omegon? That's a strange way to say alpharius This is a lie

[@nicholasminter1250]

Dorn then lied about it saying that Alpharius us still unacounted for during the first siege of terra book.

[@GearShotgun]

I heard that Dorn could actually nullify Alpharius’s ability to camouflage himself. Normally Alphy could make everyone see him as a normal guy to go undetected but Dorn could just see through it.

[@zenopssmdk]

I'm surprised you didn't talk about the little interaction between Rogal and Vulkan during the heresy. Vulkan pretty much teleported on his ship and gave Rogal a big hug because he missed his brother, and Rogal didn't know if he could trust Vulkan but was very "Meh" about it and almost cracked a smile.

[@RightBackAction]

One thing I like about Dorn is that he’s not as cold or callous as people portray him. He usually gets the “unthinking, unfeeling guy” trope. Though I think it was the book Praetorian of Dorn that had a good portion where Dorn laments losing all the art and history in the imperial palace as they are preparing for Horus and Chaos. He’s actually quite cultured and emotional. He’s just supposed to be the embodiment of stoicism. He feels, but he’d never tell you. Even Malcador essentially says that Dorn is the most difficult for Chaos to corrupt because he’s so stoic. I think that’s why I and others really like him.

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

People forget sometimes that being Stoic doesn't mean not having emotions, it just means not letting emotions control your actions. Dorn is a master of his emotions, not an emotionless person.

[@pissjug6988]

so is practicing stoicism an effective shield against chaos?

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

@@pissjug6988 It could be. By being in control of yourself and your emotions, in addition to the kind of orderly lifestyle espoused by the Stoics, one could feasibly be immunized against Chaos.

[@weismeister121]

​@@pissjug6988 yes it is. That's the reason why Chaos didn't even bother to corrupt him. Chaos bends in the presence of Dorn.

[@WrathMilten]

@@pissjug6988 nurgle eats that stoicism shit right up

[@555tork]

an example of the lengths Dorn would go to do his job was invading a human civilization that were living on asteroids using atmospheric shielding to survive, he beelined it to the generators with his imperial fists and sent one message warning them that if they didn't surrender he would vent the entire culture into space, a space marine nearby was almost panicking internally because he hoped they wouldn't think Dorn was bluffing.

[@sidknoop6381]

Dorn: I'll do it Random fist: He will, i seens him do it.

[@LastHCompany]

And that Fist's name was Alpharius.

[@wanabeguitarguy]

What book is that from?

[@passchen-fail3704]

Did they died?

[@555tork]

@@wanabeguitarguy it is called "Will of the Legion" from the book Blood of the Emperor.

[@jacoblindsay2942]

Dorn and Perterabo are also similar in another way. Dorn practically carried the defense of Terra against the traitors on his back. Perterabo carried the traitor forces.

[@Jsay18]

So True. I play SoH, and its so fucking true. Only 3 Traitor Legions were useful (Death Guard and Sons of Horus), and only one was truly good (Iron Warriors).

[@iamablacksabbathsong9765]

Werent jhagatai and Sanguinius also helped ?

[@sceptile6375]

@@iamablacksabbathsong9765 blood angels showed up last minute and while helpful weren’t carrying like the fists were and the White Scars while power work best on offence, on defence their hit and run tactics can only take them so far without someone else holding their territory.

[@Sextistsheep]

Pretty sure perterabo was perturbed

[@holyfreakinshit]

Laughs in Iron Cage

[@alexchambers2122]

Rogal Dorn's original lore was that he died during the first Black Crusade, the Imperial Fists recovered his body and his skeleton was kept on the Phalanx and the chapter masters etched their names on it. GW changed it so only his hand was recovered by the Imperial Fists. That change to the lore makes me and other Dorn fans believe he is still alive somewhere.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

Vulcan live- Dorn isn't dead perhaps (hating the uncertainty of this statement).

[@Archon3960]

@@henrypaleveda7760 Except that instead of stomping, you have to slap your hands while shouting it. X)

[@davidthomas2870]

Wasnt he fighting iron warriors? No way Perturabo would ever let anyone else steal his kill. I would also imagine he might keep Dorn around just to mock him, like a trophy. In their most recent recorded move, the iron warriors were fighting the death guard trying to get to a place called the temple of ascension (presumably a place of power for chaos). Why would Perturabo want that? Perhaps to renounce his demon hood to prove a point to Dorn? Or perhaps to force Dorn to ascend to fuck with him? Imperial super dreadnought Dorn vs demon prince defiler/super hellbrute perturabo when?

[@henrypaleveda7760]

@@davidthomas2870 Perterabo was petty, but also practical, if he wasn't there in person, he would let them gank Dorn for the kill, he'd just punish them after.

[@henrypaleveda7760]

@@Archon3960 so a cadence then?

[@iCatCloud]

Legend goes that Dorn has been at therapy for 10,000 years after he lost his left hand, whispers among the Custodies say that he is still there, they even say they hear crying from his room every night for "failing" his father, his sons and the Imperium. Sometimes, a giant man has been seen helping rebuild old roads and houses around Terra, but people just assumed it's just a scruffy bearded Ogryn because he speaks very few words, mostly grunts or "yes" and "no"

[@henrypaleveda7760]

I want to see rogal return either flying out of the warp dragging a few others out with him (and man many black legion soldiers, possibly abbadon) as though he's been fighting the whole time, or to see him having lived on this one world and continually helping rebuild. picture if he got on a garden world that was undeveloped and suffered storms, but was mostly left to itself and had no way off world. He would have taken the time to finally build things like houses and roads again rather than fortress walls.

[@hanshirt2953]

That would be nuts. Dorn has been with the Imperium this entire time, he's just SO traumatized that he reverted to where he is no smarter than an ogryn... And that he was so disfigured that the people who saved him they could not even recognize a Primarch

[@aria5614]

I accept this as Canon now.

[@SittingOnEdgeman]

Dorn, Vulkan, and The Lion are the ultimate Chekov's Guns of 40k right now. You can kinda understand Corax and Russ as being "on eternal crusade" at this point, since they've been in the warp so long. Jagatai - same deal, but with the Webway. We know The Lion is alive, we are REASONABLY confident Vulkan is alive, just has a big summoning process associated with him, and Dorn is an unknown. He's presumed dead but his body was never recovered and we've never had any positive confirmation that he was dead, which makes him the most tantalizing unknown.

[@CataStudies]

@@SittingOnEdgeman even if he's death he can be brought back, like it happened with Girlyman

[@ConnorLundeen]

The phalanx was built by the Inwits during the Golden Age of tech. Dorn offered it as tribute to the emperor upon their reunification.

[@johnoneil9188]

Ah yes, the best Dad in the Imperium. Father of Boy. Dorn is 100% a character I learned the most of from watching TTS. That is the voice I also imagine him with.

[@freelancerthe2561]

While also bouncing slightly.

[@KillerOrca]

Im fairly certain most of the fandom agrees. Hell, they had his TTS VA do stuff for actual lore bits for quotes from him.

[@whaleoftime3046]

"I did not want to copulate with the book father, I've only seen lorgar do such a thing"

[@beastalchemistVA]

Please erase these mind images immediately!

[@ibporkchop2757]

Our father has never capitulated to any enemy, as capitulate means to yield. I believe the word you wanted to use is copulate. A humble battle brother of the Imperial Fists 5th Company (I don't mean to be a grammar nazi, just thought it was funny that you used a word for yield when talking about dorn)

[@whaleoftime3046]

I didn't remember exactly how it went, apologies

[@ibporkchop2757]

@@whaleoftime3046 it's ok, you don't need to apologise (not to sound demeaning)

[@CommissarMitch]

Vulkan: "Hey Rogan Dorn. Would you beat me in a hugging competition?" Rogan Dorn: "Naturally" Vulkan: "Here I come then!"

[@robinweggeman6541]

Dorn has lied a couple of times during the Siege of terra, which is a major part of his character development. He lied, saying he didn't know Vulkan lived, and he lied when he ordered a significant force, including astartes of his own and his brothers' legions, to hold the Eternity wall spaceport while knowing the defense was doomed. It's really cool to see how incredibly conflicted Dorn is about this kind of warfare of tricks and lies, and it really signifies the fall from grace the imperium as a whole went through.

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

I still like the idea of Dorn having been brought into the warp as an attempt to corrupt him, but only being awakened as the strongest blank in history, as strong as magnus was in warp fuckery if not more so. Because of this he can’t command the warp, but has been fighting his way through it the hard way for all this time, steadfast as always as he grows closer and closer to returning home.

[@Wilderwolfman]

so Dorn is literally just Doom Guy

[@DaWrecka]

@@Wilderwolfman Not sure about that. Daemons can't exist around blanks, but don't really fear them. By contrast, demons are *scared shitless* of the Doom Slayer. Similarly, Dorn is a wall upon which the enemy shatters. Doom Slayer is an unstoppable hammer which shatters the enemy. ...oh, wait, you said Doom _Guy_. Errrrrrnngh...

[@Wilderwolfman]

@@DaWrecka LOL its nah what you said does make sense, but doom guy really embodies that rage side of dorn and fits the reason doom guy does what he does duty (ehehe) loyalty and honor with an unbridled rage toward demons and people who do underhanded things or betray their comrades

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

@@Wilderwolfman @DaWrecka I could totally see this Dorn intentionally letting his field shrink so he can personally scare the fuck outta some daemons before he banishes them from all realities.

[@Narunata247]

That would be cool. Kinda like how the Big E is knows as the anathema, the Anti-Chaos. Maybe that’s what Dorn truly inherited from the Big E and bringing him to the warp awakens that ability to max.

[@PhoenixFlame321]

Dorn is that stern kind of father that will NOT hold back criticism but will also support you when you're doing things right (never an ounce of praise past what's deserved though) Perturabo is more like the kind of abusive tiger parent that will demand perfection as the minimum and absolutely verbally tear you to pieces for the smallest slight. Then proceed to disinherit you.

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

I dont think this is a praise in favour of Dorn since he did lose his hand and got his sons blown up in the Iron Cage lol

[@rakshithanand8262]

I'd say Perturabo is more like a slot machine where on a good day you get toy robots and philosophy lessons and the next you are ground face first into the mud because you didn't meet your quotas. The highs are higher, but the lows are much, MUCH lower. Dorn is generally more consistent... unless it's iron cage time, oh boy. He made Perturabo look like a Care Bear during that whole business.

[@youshouldntadidthat7691]

@@rakshithanand8262 I mean…the Primarchs are kinda all(with the exception of best boy Vulkan) assholes

[@robfromjersey7899]

Dorn is popular because he has no gimmick. He and the Imperials Fists aren't flashy, aren't space Vikings or emo Batmen. They just show up, get the job done, and leave with no questions. He's the quiet guy that keeps everything running while all else is in chaos.

[@chestnut4860]

That's a gimmick tho

[@chazzwozzio]

​@@chestnut4860a paradox

[@shahman76]

Oh no! Now I have a mental image of sad Dorn standing alone with a small hammer in one hand and a blankie in the other as everything he knows around him fades to black. Poor Dorn. That’s really really sad. Edit: Great episode guys!

[@ricardoalonso8376]

If Dorn really got ripped to pieces and he comes back as a Demonic monstrousity, it would be fantastic grimdark but it would also honestly brake my heart.

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

Hell brute dorn

[@ricardoalonso8376]

@@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062 Hell Brute Dorns* a whole squad of them.

[@laughingmask3118]

Impossible. Unless they managed to shove a Daemon into his body but his soul manifested as a loyalist warp entity to combat it. Shadow Match, anyone?

[@apeasant8550]

If they do something like that i hope its at least an imperial deamon

[@cyrusplatinum2828]

I think one of the best parts of Alpharius' Primarch book was when he said that he refused to ever trust Rogal Dorn BECAUSE he never lied. The dynamic between the two of them has its issues, but when it's done well, it is very interesting to see.

[@scooterdescooter4018]

i absolutely LOVE the comment section for this episode. "yes"- Dorn.

[@UncooperativeMultiplayer]

Garrow: "Horus is betraying the Imperium!" Dorn: "And I took that personally"

[@davidkazarossian7654]

If you haven't already, I recommend watching the 3 part series about Rogal Dorn by Baldermort. Tears will be shed. Probably one of the greatest expositions of 40k related content.

[@samuelbeecroft3077]

Those videos are the reason I discovered Rogal Dorn and how tragic his story is. Seeing the dream of the Imperium crumble before him, seeing his favorite of his brothers and the one who he thought incorruptible fall, then to top it off! Seeing the shattered body of the Emperor and knowing the dream is lost.

[@alexchambers2122]

Definitely the best videos on Dorn I have ever seen, and probably the best on KZbin. Baldermort is one of the best lore channels on here, his Imperial Fists and Black Templars videos are great too.

[@samidib10]

I’m going to take you up on this. My favorite primarch has been Sangy. But since I’m a follower of stoicism and just leanring how Dorn works he might very well become my number one primarch. Was just thinking about watching vids on him while I paint so those three are perfect thanks!!

[@teal_m_101]

Rogal Dorn can read! He's read Lego building instructions thousands of times.

[@GearShotgun]

I demand an episode explaining how Nathaniel Garro was able to walk with those TITANIC balls. Dude insults a primarch to his face.

[@FireTalon24]

Rogal deserved it though. His problem is also his greatest strength. He's steadfast, iron-willed, etc but that also makes him stubborn and inflexible. Garro told the trurh and Dorn didn't like it so he nearly fucked up the Heresy at the first hurdle.

[@solidblockgaming2105]

It’s a bit late and I’m still catching up, but I really wish they would do an episode on the heroes that those remembrancers were. Keeler is one of if not the first Saints and my bro Kyril Sinderman helped found the Inquisition

[@TroloGame2]

By far what I absolutely love about the Imperial Fists is that just how Primarchs are different aspects of the Emperor, his sons are different aspects of Dorn: Sigismund is the unyielding faith and loyalty to the Imperial cause and the Emperor, as well as his disgust towards the abhorrent (remember this is the guy who created the Black Templars) Alexis Polus is his organisational side, more calculated, more diplomatic, more versatile and more rational (this dude became the leader of the Crimson Fists) And Fafnir Ra is the rage towards the treacherous and the traitor (this boi became the chapter master of *The Executioners* )

[@Archon3960]

Is there more material on Fafnir Ra? He often gets overlooked. :/

[@CataStudies]

So, you would imagine from Dorn and the imperial fist image to be this really stern and disciplined military, only for the successors to be absolute murderhobos. Makes me question Dorn's character a bit.

[@r.cdahuman7682]

@@Archon3960 He has a pretty big role in the seige of terra book the First Wall, but he doesn't get a terribly large amount of screen time sadly.

[@Looknook1]

@@CataStudies to be fair to Dorn he did disown Sigismund. A person can be full of rage and in control. The Black Templars lack the control of other successor chapters.

[@CataStudies]

@@Looknook1 True , but let's be real. Even among the successor chapters, a lot don't have any chill at all.

[@Da_Shark]

if the emperor said "Dorn... Perturabo... you will build this place" and told his oversize toddlers to SHARE 40k imperium would be a great place to live and let guiliman run the damn administratum

[@PingachuWarham]

I don't think neither of them would have liked that, specially Perty.

[@cthulhluftagn3812]

I think the solution would be "Dorn will build the fortifications, perterabo will make it a Palace" Having Dorn build the base and fortification then having pertty slap on decorarions, statues and other architectural flairs.

[@prestonjones1653]

Horus and other traitors: Screw the Emperor! United Dorn and Perturabo: *swat*

[@passchen-fail3704]

Dorn read Mars’ knowledge in one week. It took Perturabo three days. I’d say for a primarch, Dorn is still using Leapfrog.

[@jamesgreen90]

Let’s be honest, Perturabo probably heard that it took Dorn a week and decided to make it a priority to do it faster.

[@Ace_011]

Knew he was coming up after DK mentioned so much interest in the Black Templars.

[@Nomand55]

Well, for black templars you'd need a Sigismund episode first.

[@Bonavire]

Flashgitz's Furry crusade videos are the reason my friend is getting into 40k and wants to play Templars, so I'm dying for a Black Templar episode lmao

[@dyingearth]

@@Nomand55 When they mentioned Sigismund, they must mentioned that he killed a Son of Horus captain in mid-monologuing as he was introducing himself. We saw that from the traitor's point of view up to his death. Sigismund literally paid no attention to this guy and moved onto his next kill.

[@scottphillips8607]

You kinda skimmed over the fact that Dorn was the sole reason the Imperium stood. He literally held back all of the traitor legions for like a decade with little direct support from his brothers until the siege itself. Horus himself thought that Dorn was the greatest military commander of his brothers.

[@diogoteixeira4950]

Hum. Guess even in that Perturabo and Dorn are similar. Both carried their side of the war.

[@scottphillips8607]

@@diogoteixeira4950 That's one of my favorite things about the war. As far as the actual fighting is concerned, the war really was Rogal vs Perturabo. Both of them lost too. The Imperium held and the Emperor fell.

[@rakshithanand8262]

@@scottphillips8607 It gets better. Perturabo loses not because he can't win but because he quits, proving that his whole reason for turning (his supposed ultimate unbreakable will to win) was a lie the whole time and he's damned himself for no good reason. Meanwhile Dorn who has never wavered in his duty doesn't give up... but by refusing to compromise, respect or even try to understand his opponents he gets outwitted in the big picture anyway. Both were the other's biggest lesson, the way for them to become whole, and they both failed miserably at their stated goals despite being badasses. (INB4 hypothetical Dorn/Perturabo team-up; the traitors would never stand a snowball's chance in the Warp).

[@diogoteixeira4950]

@@rakshithanand8262 Iron Warriors vs Imperium Fists is the best written rivarly in 40k. Instead of the usual "imperium completely destroying their enemy because the writer didn't care enough to read about the faction they were fight agaisn't" They both are on a constant back and forth of who wins and who loses.

[@erwannthietart3602]

@@rakshithanand8262 well Alpha Legion would survive at least because "they are in your walls" (Bricky), Thousand sons if they dont get trapped too because space magic OP, Death guards if they got the time to become plague marines since they are essentially immortal. The rest gets rekt

[@imperialfist2304]

Sigismund: The guy they call for when the Imperial Fists are taking shit really seriously this time.

[@GearShotgun]

“Brother…” “Fetch Sigismund”

[@Skitarii_Ranger]

"less my brother Dorn's champion, and more Death's himself" - Sanguinius

[@andypaul3788]

Dorn can’t read the room, nor can anyone in the imperial fists. They can read the walls though

[@thepoweroftacos5311]

Can you read my child?

[@iambumbo7534]

No

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

you cannot read a room Andy Paul, rooms have no words to be read

[@lordfelidae4505]

@@mikoajciemiega8018 unless it is a library.

[@NameIsDoc]

Dorn cannot read but he can stare down books until it surrenders its information to him.

[@sypho-diaz.thisnamewasgive6866]

DORN IS SUCH A NERD THAT HE LOOKS AT WARP ENTITIES AND SAYS "YOU DONT EXIST" AND THEY DONT

[@iCatCloud]

Ork logic!!

[@PingachuWarham]

*DORN IS SUCH A CHAD

[@frankfelerski1043]

The fact that dorn didn't use at least one power fist will forever be a source of disappointment to me

[@velphidrow8317]

Ikr? We don't have The Imperial Fist's imperial fist given to his legion the imperial fist

[@Demonica2539]

I'm no fan of the imperium, but when I listened to baldermort's video series on Dorn it made me want to give him a hug

[@PingachuWarham]

Yeah, Baldermort is an amazing narrator, he conveys so well everything Dorn went through as the Horus Heresy developed.

[@freelancerthe2561]

Fortunately for all, Vulkan had done this hug on everyone's behalf.

[@MINIMEplaysMinecraft]

When I learned about Rogal Dorn and Perturabo, the best way to compare these guys is that Rogal is Lego and Perturabo is Mega Blocks. Rogal Lego is known for being very reliable, sturdy, and cover all bases. Perty Blocks is known for being experimental, making weapons, and is very stubborn when you try doing things your own way.

[@jaredisley-oliver389]

You said all this just so you had an excuse to say Perty blocks… which sounds pretty dope actually…

[@henrypaleveda7760]

I have not the talent to make such an apt description.

[@MINIMEplaysMinecraft]

I have come to another conclusion, the Imperial Fist chapter are all yellow lego guys and the Iron Warriors look like those knights from Mega Block’s Dragons back then.

[@MINIMEplaysMinecraft]

There were two armies in the Dragons toy line, the blacks knights are the Iron Warriors, but there was also the bronze colored guys. That’s where you get the Minotaurs Space Marine Chapter!

[@darnact]

Hmmm, I wonder who would be playmobil then. XD

[@ashe274]

24:57 apparently Angron was named after a bouncer who worked at a bar the GW guys would visit in their leisure time. He was always very angry and his name was Ron. Or so I’ve heard.

[@fearofowl5973]

Probably not true but that is very funny

[@LegendaryCollektor]

This episode ended so many times Also the TTS version of Rogal Dorn is 100% cannon and no one can tell me otherwise!!!

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

well according to GW 90% of the Warhammer plot is up to you so yes, you are right

[@islanddryad]

TTS is canon no one can tell me otherwise

[@alphariusomegon3965]

“Yes” Rogal dorn

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

He is the one with mutton chops

[@freelancerthe2561]

not just canon, but old canon as well. The whole Custodies Jojo thing is based on official descriptions dating back to Rouge Trader , where they removed their armor in solidarity for their failure to protect the Emperor. All the TTS canon really does is add a little bit of self awareness, and (ironically) sane reactions to information, in how the character's behave. This makes the TTS canon entirely plausible, and arguably more canon, because the GW 40k lore is historically predicated on characters being one dimensional at the worst possible moments (which can be played for laughs). Combined, the whole series is cathartic in how it allows history to have a second chance; by actively allowing character to rectify some mistakes, and repeating others, but this time around the characters react more reasonably. Aka Character growth. This is why I, and many others, choose TTS to be the better canon, because the characters are more then the allegories GW lore treats them as. That and Magus accidentally being Australian, because Zegram can't do a proper British accent. This mistake made him so much more relatable and down to earth, when the orignal intent was to make him a little bit pompous.

[@YoBen100]

"I will reinstall the Palace"

[@hannibalbarca5096]

"please do not do this"

[@beastalchemistVA]

@@hannibalbarca5096 "I am reinstalling the palace! Inform me when Corvus returns! I will require his infiltration expertise!"

[@parkermaisterra8532]

I never knew that Dorn had a blanket Suddenly I can’t help but now imagine Dorn as Jorgen Von Strangle. Man wears giant Pajama’s to bed and if he ever met a time traveling version of himself they’d go Disco

[@Aaron-io8vw]

There is a scene in the Siege of Terra novels where Sanguinius and the Khan have forced Dorn to take a break for a few hoursm he cannot fall asleep, and he wanders the inner palace in basically his Pajamas with the blanket wrapped around his shoulders.

[@Morec0]

"Fortify this location? " "With myself? Outrageous! "

[@SamueL-td7fb]

Dorn and his American vampire-hunter counterpart

[@AzelRavenWood]

I won't lie, If you guys and Shy committed to the bit and ended the episode right there, I would have been 100% satisfied!!!

[@tehvaniu6a]

I kinda feel bad for Dorn fans, cause the episode didn't mention how he basically had to defend the Imperium on his own for the majority of the Horus Heresy. He basically carried the loyalists.

[@Ickbard]

It makes the comparison between Dorn and Perturabo even greater when they butt heads

[@dariojanjic402]

They honestly botched the episode pretty much, yeah.

[@tehvaniu6a]

@@dariojanjic402 I wouldn't go that far, they still did a good job of explaining what made Rogal tick and some of his cooler moments. They couldn't fit all of his lore, obviously, but I would have liked a bit more. Dorn's fight with Fulgrim for example was pretty awesome.

[@datorin2653]

I mean Dorn and the Fists. And severely damaged White scars and blood angels. Fought 8 legions plus demons and the dark mechanicus also traitor humans. Basically the Imperial fists fought almost all of the traitors single handedly. I love Rogal Dorn.

[@mattroxursoul]

@@datorin2653 Dorn held them off for years though without his 2 brothers though. They did not arrive to Terra until fairly late.

[@danny_decheeto8300]

Dorn is such a lad even his HtP counterpart knows how to fortify the position with a picnic table

[@oligb1469]

The fact that man has a blankie makes me feel like aw but the other side of me is yelling Iron within iron without

[@Landmassorussia]

Y'know, with how much of a perfectionist dorn is, Slaanesh does unironically make the most sense for a chaos god for him

[@mattroxursoul]

I don't know why anyone would do drugs when they could just mow the lawn - Hank Hill.. and maybe Rogal Dorn

[@HellishSpoon]

very much doubt it Slaanesh doesn't do "stern" I'd say Khorn is actually better for him Dorn can get VERY angery and he knows nothing of lying and who else is all about anger and being honorable fighters? khorn ofcourse

[@DISTurbedwaffle918]

Frankly, I'd see him more in a Perturabo situation. Dorn doesn't let his emotions control him, he controls his emotions. The greatest extent of his relationship with Chaos would be his ability to force dæmons to serve him and his sons.

[@suppmydiff3257]

His military prowess and huge focus on honesty makes him lean more towards Khorne I'd say Honesty and chivalry is a big Khorne thing

[@barbariandude]

@@suppmydiff3257 Absolutely, and also his focus on honorable combat. He embodies all of the positive aspects of Khorne, and a bit of the negative ones too (Black Templars)

[@LukasJampen]

I think if the traitors actually killed him they would have paraded his body around like a trophy. But GW being vague and wanting to keep all the doors open is nothing new.

[@kriegsmensoldier8996]

Dorn is in the imperial palace pretending to be not alive. Wink wink

[@doomguy9049]

If there’s no body and nobody actually saw him dead he’s still alive, same as every other named character in Warhammer 40000

[@DaWrecka]

He survived by being dead. _In pretend._

[@LukasJampen]

@@kriegsmensoldier8996 and pretending to be a centurion.

[@mapleflag6518]

Exactly. They would have sent his broken body back to terra and Perturabo would have mounted his head on a spike and wear that spike on his back.

[@Its-Just-Zip]

The phalanx is classed as a battle moon. It literally has to be anchored on the far side of the Moon when it is in the Sol system because if it was any closer it would create massive tidal disruptions in the Earth, it's basically a second moon

[@Nobleheart111]

Phalanx’s estimated diameter: 900 to 1,825 km (560 miles to 1,134 miles) (Glorianas - Primarch Battleships - are 15-27 km long, aka 9.3 miles to 16.8 miles long) Phalanx's estimated height ranges from 675 to 1215 km (420 miles to 755 miles)

[@LegendaryCollektor]

I want 12 now.

[@Scorpionwincheater88]

2 thousand kilometres? what lol

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

As I said in my comment previously: THAT'S A FUCKING MOON

[@khairallahdh]

The phalanx could really have it own episode. The thing was in orbit around Terra DURING THE SIEGE OF TERRA. it survived the onslaught of the traitor legions. After the fall of Cadia, the Fists bolstered the number of normal human guards with the Cadian soldiers that evacuated. Before it had just been those that didn’t make the cut to be fists I’m pretty sure. Plus the Custodes even opened some of their super secret forbidden tech vaults to help them restore it to even better glory than it was before since it had suffered a good deal of battering during millennia it has been in service.

[@HalIOfFamer]

Horus thinking of himself as the best in offence is hard egomania. He was good ad mobile warfare, he was good at a swift brutal war that decapitated the cobra before it shook its tail. I think the real king of the attack was perturabo or mortarion. They could perform lightning warfare, but if it didn't work they could dig in and grind the enemy down to dust no matter the cost. It is proven mostly with perturabo during the heresy. At the very end it was just perturabo who was carrying the traitor legions and he was the only one to withdraw from terra, as opposed to the panicked flight of the sons of Horus or the emperor's children.

[@Marines_Memelevolent]

Horus said he was the best at assault specifically, right? That’s why he knew he couldn’t beat Dorn, because his style of quick, surgical assault wouldn’t stand again the Wall

[@you1027]

"No they're not nice-" Every last thing in 40k summarized in perfect detail.

[@SamueL-td7fb]

except for Vulkan and no, I don't care about the elf child

[@samuelspry6955]

Dorn Exemplifies the mantra one of my old CSM's would say: "You either do it right, or again."

[@MiaMooreA]

"What are you the fucking weatherman now."

[@bigbossnickflynn]

Dorn be like: "I was beyond furious :/"

[@Kornzz555666]

I mean remember when people were worried DK would learn enough to be on par with bricky... Do people still worry about that now? 20:44 case in point

[@phylippezimmermannpaquin2062]

I'm impressed he was able to get this quote considering all the fuck ups hes made

[@Madjo-qj2ge]

Best TTS Character Also, Imperial Fists have Exclusive right to recruit from Terra

[@evillaughinthebackground5732]

Just as a heads up: The Phalanx is stated to be "as big as a small moon" A SMALL FUCKING MOON It's easily bigger than Gloriana-Class Battleships, the Flagships of the Primarchs 🔥

[@Sgt-Wolf]

Dr eggman: ...

[@lornbaker1083]

Darth sideous: ... mine was better * seething With Envy*

[@dikkie1000]

Soooo.... An attack moon? Imperial Death Star?

[@mapleflag6518]

@@lornbaker1083 I imagine Rogal would have probably destroyed the Death Star quite quickly,

[@KillerOrca]

@@mapleflag6518 No, he would have taken it over (Fists are as good siegebreakers as they are siegemakers, much to the chagrin of the Iron Warriors), very quickly noticed that small hole, patched it over with planks of wood or some shit, and then slapped an Aquila on the side and called it sanctified.

[@Lazysupermutant]

Listening to this again it sounds like Perte would have been far better suited to the construction. Not only would have been something he'd like to do but Rogal Dorn probably would have been just as happy campaigning all those drudging tasks, even the Hrudd. Once again the Emperor is a terrible dad, prophesy theory or not.

[@13931411119]

I think Perturabo has a bit of a martyr complex. His sister pointed that out right before he killed her.

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

@@13931411119 i think anyone who was as unappreciated as Perturabo is justified to have a martyr complex lol

[@GearShotgun]

Pert was an architect at heart, but his own nature and personality prevented him from speaking up or voicing how much he hated the jobs he was given. He had an entire chamber full of awesome stuff he’d built and designed but never showed to anyone. He also built the place where the council of nikea was held and hated that it was used to host the judgement and censoring of his brother Magnus rather than its intended role of hosting Olympic style games

[@rakshithanand8262]

@@GearShotgun To add to this Perturabo was the kind of person who never does two things at once. He refused to build until he was told all the destroying was done, and refused to try socialising because "he had work to do". We see with Magnus that he was kind of a dork once you made friends with him... but because he could never compromise he ended up forcing himself into a no-win scenario.

[@ahoyturtle]

My personal take is that Perturabo was a great architect, but a literal misanthrope. So while his mind constantly worked marvels of mechanical principles and complex engineering feats, he wasn't actually building structures for people to... y'know... LIVE in. So he'd make an impregnable fortress, capable of withstanding any siege, but he wouldn't put any toilets inside. That kind of thing.

[@NateVHVT]

Another reason why the Emperor liked Dorn more was how Perturabo conducted war. During the war with the Hrud and everything else, Perty just ran full frontal assaults and danger close artillery barrages. That was his entire plan. Even when losing soldiers in droves against the Hrud, instead of just blasting them from orbit; Perty kept sending soldiers, and then basically bombing them. He complained that his soldiers were in the grinder, but he was the guy putting the meat into the grinder AND turning the handle. Perty ran war like a mathematical equation, one set of bodies vs another, which is why his brothers didn't want to work with him.

[@mutantmaster1]

Broke: Rogal Dorn can't read Woke: Rogal Dorn is the 40k incarnation of Bob the Builder

[@edmondarmstrong1834]

Re: The Imperium "Can we fix it?" "No! It's f*d!"

[@gama343]

The chances of Alpharius convincing Dorn that his ways were better were nonexistant, even without taking into account that Dorn hated him so much that he probably wasn't even listening. The first time the two met, Dorn showed that he saw through Alpharius's deceptions, and that although he refused to use such deception in warfare or any other aspect of life, he understood it. Then he proceeded to give Alpharius a rundown on how he could have done much better, finishing by telling Alpharius that the reason he does not like him is not because he uses lies and trickery as his main method of warfare, but because he SUCKS at using lies and trickery in warfare. Alpharius just did not live up to Rogal Dorn's standards.

[@jetpilledmyron2056]

Oh boy... this burned worse than Prospero.

[@CommissarMitch]

My favorite theory of Dorn's fate is what happens to him in TTS.

[@MiaMooreA]

Pain glove Im stuck on this heretical ship what should I do. Your services are no longer required.

[@commissar_dk420]

"Instead of covering our weaknesses we'll just mass bolter and have a big o'l strength!" -rogal dorn's magic pain glove

[@dogalrorn4196]

I love that this episode dropped right when I’m assembling my 30k Imperial Fists Army

[@silkydarkling9433]

I'm sure after Rogal Dorn and the imperial fists that they'll finally get to Lorgar and the Word Bearers. There's so much interesting lore there to unpack, and I seriously believe that Bricky and DK will have a very different perspective on Lorgar afterwards

[@Primo_Luca]

Lorgar and the WB are top tier during the heresy, will make for a FAT episode.

[@thepoweroftacos5311]

Bobba da boopy

[@educatedlaziness3268]

I'd be happy with either Lorgar or Corvus

[@garpogods8323]

Think they already did an episode on Lorgar very early on.

[@educatedlaziness3268]

@@garpogods8323 they touched on him in the episode leading up to the heresy but they haven't focused on his past, his role in the heresy, or his current situation, granted we don't know what Lorgar is doing now, hasn't been seen since the heresy

[@brok56]

I remember that The phalanx was a Dormant space station howering above inwit and Dorn fixed it and took it for himself.

[@thechameleos6334]

As with every video, I went into this expecting to like Dorn more after this. Not only do I like Dorn more, I especially LOVE him now.

[@joshs.4482]

I love Shy's edits. The best part of this episode was the Osaka "cameo" at ~ 5:26. Another excellent edit and episode y'all.

[@levivanderveen4671]

The Phalanx exchanged broadsides with Ülthwe of all things, its insane.

[@gonkgamer3471]

Dorn was always my favorite character in TTS he's also got a cool model

[@kyussivie6092]

Big D: “Ehhh we should be alright if Dorn made it, and if he didn't why didn't he!?"

[@jamesmckenna4460]

Something really interesting to me is how Lionel Johnson and perturabo are completely different in how they wanted to be treated. The similarities and parallels and what they were asked to do, for example the dark Angels' wars against the Rangdan, and the iron warriors against the Hrud - and how they responded individually to whatever praise or lack thereof occurred after their rather pyrrhic victories. I think the Lion is very interesting from a personality standpoint, he's incredibly stable. I want the lion episode

[@Coyotebriggs]

'It was not kek, father, it was CRINGE"-TTS Dorn

[@tobor88]

Dorn not being able to read is an ultramarine joke.

[@raycearcher5794]

"Brothers! I have created the CODEX ASTARTES, a comprehensive algorithm that will allow you to memetically prepare for any solution in war! Rogal, do you have a question?" "WHERE ARE THE PICTURES?" "I didn't think illustrations would be useful in the heat of battle, Rogal." "WHERE IS THE PART THAT SAYS TO HIT THE BAD GUYS UNTIL THEY ARE ALL DEAD?" "Close combat is addressed in a variety of situations where-" "I'M LEAVING AND BUILDING A CASTLE NOW, LATER DWEEBS."

[@AsbestosMuffins]

"Can this tome be used as support pillar like my admittedly outdated copy of the lex imperialis ?"

[@trampoline11x]

Im not sure why, but I REALLY like Dorns story a lot. Even the way it ended makes me wonder if the fates of all the primarchs were always bound to end in some kind of tragedy. He kept trying to do his best for so long, but in the end he still broke in one way he might never have imagined...

[@sexyatheist69]

There's a conversation in Horus Rising between Sigismund and Loken where Rogal and Horus go to have a mothers meeting and they let the kids play, it goes like: ‘I approve of your direction,’ Sigismund told Loken at once. ‘I’m gratified. You were watching from the galleries?’ Sigismund nodded. ‘Prosecute the foe. Get it over with. Get on. There is still so much to be done, we cannot afford delays or time wasting.’ ‘There are so many worlds still to be brought to compliance,’ Loken agreed. ‘One day, we will rest at last.’ ‘No,’ Sigismund replied bluntly. ‘The crusade will never end. Don’t you know that?’ Loken shook his head, ‘I wouldn’t-’ ‘Not ever,’ said Sigismund emphatically. ‘The more we spread, the more we find. World after world. New worlds to conquer. Space is limitless, and so is our appetite to master it.’ ‘I disagree,’ Loken said. ‘War will end, one day. A rule of peace will be established. That is the very purpose of our efforts.’ Sigismund grinned. ‘Is it? Perhaps. I believe that we have set ourselves an unending task. The nature of mankind makes it so. There will always be another goal, another prospect.’ ‘Surely, brother, you can conceive of a time when all worlds have been brought into one unity of Imperial rule. Isn’t that the dream we strive to realise?’ Sigismund stared into Loken’s face. ‘Brother Loken, I have heard much about you, all of it good. I had not imagined I would discover such naivety in you. We will spend our lives fighting to secure this Imperium, and then I fear we will spend the rest of our days fighting to keep it intact. There is such involving darkness amongst the stars. Even when the Imperium is complete, there will be no peace. We will be obliged to fight on to preserve what we have fought to establish. Peace is a vain wish. Our crusade may one day adopt another name, but it will never truly end. In the far future, there will be only war.’ ‘I think you’re wrong,’ Loken said.

[@erwinthedodo9205]

Loken was a good boy. I miss him a lot

[@sexyatheist69]

@@erwinthedodo9205 He's not gone, yet

[@Milk192]

Y'all better get Valrak for the legion episode

[@MrKangaroo123]

The remembrancer in question was Mersadie Oliton, Personal Remembrancer to 1st captain Garviel Loken of the looner wolves as well as his possible love interest. the photos though came from remembrancer Euphrati Keeler ( Who became the first living saint of the imperium)

[@SittingOnEdgeman]

With respect to Dorn's fate - we know that Conrad Kurze's visions aren't always strictly accurate. They can be changed. They are a vision of a possible future from Tzeentch, sent to corrupt him and drive him to Chaos.

[@Fisthammet]

I always imagined ghost Kurze just haunting his legion and undermining them as much as possible, out of spite. Like you say though, the future is malleable. Dorn showing up with a bunch of bionics after his long exile would be cool as F.

[@mapleflag6518]

They also would have sent his body back to terra