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"The first time I ever really listened to Kyle Kulinski’s show was in the back of a cab last summer. The driver had his phone hooked up through the stereo and was pumping out an episode through the car speakers - loudly, as if looking to convert a captive audience.
“Do you like Kyle Kulinski?”
The driver, Ahmed, was a recent immigrant and apparently a die-hard fan of Secular Talk, the political talk show that Kulinski broadcasts on KZbin. I told him, yes, in fact. I do like Kulinski, had come across his show several years ago, and, all things considered, he seemed pretty good.
“He understands what we’re up against,” Ahmed said. “Like Bernie.”
But I was surprised to hear Kulinski’s name mentioned in the same breath as Bernie Sanders, particularly with such adoration. Because what I did remember about Kulinski’s show struck me as mostly capital-P “progressive” takes on the news - the left wing of the Netroots crowd more than the democratic socialism Sanders has popularized.
It’s an impression that wasn’t entirely incorrect.
“I have no time for philosophical, airy bullshit,” Kulinski tells me from his home in Westchester, New York. “I don’t want to hear about Lenin. I don’t want to hear about Marx. I just want a super plainspoken, straightforward agenda with a straightforward way of selling it.”
With over 800,000 subscribers and nearly 670 million total views on KZbin, selling a progressive agenda is clearly something Kulinski knows how to do - even Democracy Now, the long-standing flagship of progressive media, cannot match his reach on the platform. Chapo Trap House can certainly boast a wildly devoted fan base (and a not insignificant degree of media influence), but their audience is roughly half the size of Kulinski’s.
While Secular Talk might be more likely to be looped in with the progressive networks around Air America and Pacifica alums like Sam Seder than the more resolutely socialist world, Kulinski’s fiery rhetoric, razor-sharp class instincts, and knack for withering takedowns sets him apart from his peers. Judging by his rhetoric alone, he’s closer to a Eugene Debs than a Chris Hayes.
But unlike Hayes, Amy Goodman, or his friend Cenk Uygur of The Young Turks - who began airing Secular Talk on his web network seven years ago - the thirty-two-year-old Kulinski is virtually invisible in the mainstream media. Despite his enormous fan base, his show has never once been mentioned in the obligatory trend pieces on “the Millennial Left” pumped out by the prestige media. Nor has Kulinski’s name ever popped up at all in the New York Times, Vox, the New Yorker, New York Magazine, or the Washington Post, despite his leading role in cofounding Justice Democrats, the organization widely credited with sweeping Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the rest of “the Squad” to power.
Just last week, his Wikipedia page was deleted. The reason? “There is very simply no [reliable source] coverage of this person,” according to one moderator. In new media, he’s king - the Sean Hannity of the Berniecrat left. In old media, he’s nobody.
I suspect there are a few reasons for that. There is nothing “cool” about Kulinski’s show. (As a friend put it, “‘Welcome to Secular Talk’ sounds like something you’d hear on Egyptian radio.”) His no-nonsense social-democratic politics won’t get him much cred with the Full Communism crowd. He records his show not in Brooklyn or Los Angeles, but in a studio he built himself in his modest Westchester home. His hair is too groomed and his taste in clothes too preppy to qualify as “Dirtbag Left.” Nor has he ever attended an n+1 release party. “Not only have I not attended one,” he says, “I have no idea what that means.”
And yet he’s astonishingly plugged-in for a young man in the suburbs. Wondering how Sanders ended up on the Joe Rogan Experience? Kulinski, a frequent guest on Rogan’s wildly popular show, introduced them. “You make the most sense to me,” Rogan told Kulinski on a recent episode. “You’re a normal person.”
Much like Sanders himself, Kulinski’s show has a massive audience that just doesn’t compute with our media’s understanding of “what the kids want” or even “what the left-wing kids want.”
It’s probably for the best - the very woke and very WASP-ish decorum haunting much of the media world is nowhere to be found in Secular Talk. “Corporate Democrats over-focus on identity as a trick to divert you from the issues that unite us all - class issues,” he said on a recent episode. “That Raytheon decided they don’t hate gays or trans people - frankly, I don’t really give a shit what their take on that is..."
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[@UrzaWeatherlight]

Joe Rogan: "I'm so far from being a republican." Also Rogan: "I think DeSantis should be president."

[@webman1956]

I think Joe finally sees the light though since the right no longer hides shit.

[@bullydwilliams6785]

But but but he liked Bernie..... a few years ago. But since then he has been against all his policies on his show....

[@thestifmyster1]

I’m not Republican but I’d vote for DeSantis

[@johntrip07]

Yes! This! He's nothing but a grifter.

[@Cameron39829]

......that..what?!

[@frostbite3318]

Joe should pay Kyle for this PR campaign

[@insightfulhistorian1861]

Kyle's simping for Joe is cringey AF. He doesn't want to see Rogan for what he is: an idiot running his mouth on a podcast. Joe Rogan has no place talking about politics when he doesn't even try to inform himself on the important issues.

[@josec1538]

Lol you guys sound like Republicans

[@tylerbradford427]

@@insightfulhistorian1861 the place to do so is called Spotify and they pay him $100mil so I don’t think anyone cares what u think about his lack of political credentials

[@TheFlash-rh2el]

@@insightfulhistorian1861 It’s not. I’d rather have a left like Kyle and Joe than what America often has: idiots who don’t know how are argue and constantly say “y’all” despite being white and from California.

[@thomasdendtler4077]

@@tylerbradford427 spoken like a true bootlicker..

[@TimeDarkLegend]

It doesn't matter what Joe Rogan believes, if he's voting for DeSantis, then he's enabling all the policies he claims to be against.

[@hat8918]

He never said he was voting for DeSantis. Tom Segura said in context to choosing Biden or DeSantis, he said Elon Musk endorsed DeSantis, and Rogan shrugged and said, he did some good things during covid, he'd probably be a good president... compared to a half dead guy. That hardly means he's endorsing or voting for DeSantis.

[@ryanreis8814]

No you can vote for someone but think something different

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

@@ryanreis8814 yes but why would you vote for DeSantis under any circumstances if you care about gay people?

[@ryanreis8814]

@@michaelcorcoran8768 who said I did?

[@spacejesus709]

@@ryanreis8814 Oh sure but the end result is meaningfully the same. It's enabling either way

[@RobotShlomo]

"I moved to Texas because I wanted freedom". Oh really? Joe, try to buy legal weed in Texas. Can't do it, can you? Doesn't sound very "free" to me.

[@rikmichaels9233]

Yeah not the tax breaks lol

[@stephm.3407]

All he cares about is that CA was asking him to stay home & wear a mask. Oh, the horror. Texas can have him.

[@Wilson_the_Mannequin]

@@stephm.3407 The lockdowns in California severely restricted comedy shows and the UFC. That makes total sense from his point of view. Freedom is really important. Look at countries that don't have freedom.

[@mrg0th1er83]

@@Wilson_the_Mannequin Like the US? The US is pretty low on the freedom index.

[@johnboight9561]

I heard Texas even has signs 🪧 put up that if you even smell marijuana to report to the police immediately.. and you do couple years in jail.. a lil authoritarian

[@jamesgunn7]

"Which is why I'm supporting Ron DeSantis for President"

[@Rustinpeace117]

A guy high and drunk talking shit with other people in a casual setting saying he would support a politician without even actually knowing any of his policies is not an endorsement.

[@lukemurray4950]

What you crazy leftists don't understand is there are more issues to care about than the ones you care about. You really don't seem to get that. You sit there and ignore all the crazy and harmful policies the left puts out like they don't matter when they do! Ron DiSantas policies aline with more people than any other politician right now so instead of complaining the bad policies of one person and start looking at th bad policies everyone else is pushing that are far more important!

[@LetsGetitBoah]

DeSantis isn't against gay people, he's against child grooming. THAT is his focus, not gay people. Are you equating gay people with child grooming by default then?

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

*American Anthem starts playing*

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

@@LetsGetitBoah Then why is the bill called Don't Say Gay and not Don't Be A Child Groomer?

[@aaronhumphrey3514]

He literally just semi-endorsed DeSantis and he gets mad when people call him conservative or right wing. What a clown.

[@ICavalcadeI]

I feel like he doesn't understand that endorsing DeSantis obviates damn near everything he claims to be his "left-wing" viewpoints. If he really had this laundry list of left-wing ideals, there's no way in any reality that he could conclude DeSantis would be a good president.

[@bobwinters5572]

I think what it's about is finding Biden so disappointing that he's forced to conclude the Democrats are useless and don't actually agree with his opinions. That attitude runs into the Rep-Dem duopoly which forces him to support a candidate he disagrees with, which could well make the useless Dem politicians lose. Or even, Trump won an insurgent campaign in the Republican Party, so maybe that party is more susceptible to changing its attitude.

[@kselz7449]

I wouldn't agree with that entirely - if the democrats put forth Biden who is doing nothing at all for left wing goals - then Desantis covering some of the right wing points he likes, while also serving as a wake up call to the democratic party could be seen as a good vote

[@jadapinkett1656]

Purist.

[@Counter-Intuitive]

In many way DeSantis is more reich-wing than even tRump

[@cryptocaesar8972]

You’re ignoring the fact that Joe also takes issues with what the left wing is doing. What Kyle and others news people do is like to only show one side of the story. Joe is saying what he dislike from both sides all the time. He isn’t going to just vote left just because.

[@catPENGUINpony]

Joe Rogan: “How could anyone think I’m a Republican? Also, Ron DeSantis would be an amazing president, poverty is a great motivator, and paternity leave should be illegal.” Joe literally becomes politically aligned with the last person he talks to. Thank god he never invited Hitler on his show.

[@elijahplummer3655]

Gosh I’m loving these comments. Seems like every one’s simping for this dude. Nice to rational rebuttals

[@rickDArula]

Ok but I bet you loved when he had Bernie on. Lol stop being a square and realize you can support a candidate without subscribe to the party as a whole. And from what I remember he said MALE paternity leave shouldn't be a thing.

[@bobbiecat8000]

@@rickDArula you know what paternity means right?

[@rickDArula]

@@bobbiecat8000 ok my vocabulary term wasn't correct but woman have the baby while the men have 1 to 3 days off. Compared to woman's 90 days leave of absence. As soon as my kids were born as a father I never wanted to go to work more , just because I wanted them to have everything. And my wife knew her role as the mother. She sacrificed and so did I.

[@cosmicbear88-23]

Unoriginal comment sheep

[@Recolatt]

It's going to be a sad day when Krystal realizes you love Joe Rogan more then her .

[@6l5t]

Hahahahahhah

[@kaveeone]

#BURN!! 😂🤣🤣🤣😀

[@marlandbell]

👏

[@leinad2934]

I feel bad for Krystal's kids honestly.

[@jonathankoskey9394]

@@leinad2934 Yes. Krystal is adopting another baby.

[@tylerhackner9731]

He still wants a DeSantis presidency

[@WL1264]

coz hes better than any dem wack job

[@Vjjuicer]

Imagine Biden 💀💀💀💀💀

[@FNLNFNLN]

@@Vjjuicer Better than what's going on in Florida.

[@jfinity_362]

@@Vjjuicer Imagine a republican who shuts down unions, cuts taxes for the rich, and limits rights of women.

[@jadebrownofficial]

@@Vjjuicer For the many fucking flaws of Joe Biden he has been way a better President than Donald Trump and that is the lowest of bars to cross honestly just think people like you are the type you can never please. Just know your thoughts flow by me like a river 💨☕

[@WilasTyrell]

I love ya Kyle but I swear to God give us one day without a report on Rogan I’m begging you

[@peterkrug4124]

...or at least Kyle should do a more critical report on Joe.🙄

[@PhantomFilmAustralia]

@Misinfotainment I click on a Breaking Points clip and Kyle shows up. It's like I've been Rick-Rolled with no Rick.

[@sairamsriram]

give us one day without swallowing Rogan's member. There fixed it.

[@ross4]

Kyle thinks that if he talks about Rogan enough he’ll bring him back on his show.

[@makaveliandcheese]

Kyle is grasping for anything to stay relevant.

[@wavessss720]

Joe’s like a box of chocolates you never know which version of him you’re gonna get.

[@thorfinsky1427]

Desantis is the Baby Ruth floating in the pool.

[@taylorwaterman7316]

FACTS

[@GiltleyRage]

You mean, you just can't put him in right-wing or left-wing small box? It's actually what's good about him and what people should be. If you alow yourself to think you will never be purely on the right or on the left.

[@wavessss720]

@@GiltleyRage Joe’s a progressive-liberal-libertarian-conservative-centrist. He’s literally everything.

[@GiltleyRage]

@@wavessss720 I find the notion that people need to fit into certain viewpoint category ridiculous. Unfortonatelly that's how the world works now. Everyone needs to be something to contrast with something else. We're geting more and more polarized and sucked into tribalism. That's maybe good for algorythms and political polls, but nothing else. So yeah, I think it's necessary to have in media anomalies like Rogan to give people some headache.

[@infinite-sadness]

Joe’s politics are an enigma. You never know which version of him you’re going to get.

[@lj2265]

He doesn't really have politics, he'll do and say anything for a buck

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

It's almost like Rogan doesn't know much at all about politics.

[@NewNormalWorldOrder]

Lmfao… my question is why do y’all SO BADLY want him to be “on your side” to begin with???

[@gertjanvandamme2068]

Duh, he's basically the average voter

[@calebr7199]

@@NewNormalWorldOrder You're basically asking why would someone want influential people to do the right thing and support politicians that don't want to take away human rights.

[@legzdiamond2356]

But he wants a Desantis presidency. So…

[@wublesmoop6125]

The dude once supported Bernie Sanders, he swings massively. Writing off someone that influential is politically toxic. I think he is getable, we just need to expose De Santis for who he is, and he'll turn on him just like the way he turned on Trump

[@lukemurray4950]

@@wublesmoop6125 Firstly he never turned on Trump. He was never a pro Trump guy. The fact you think that shows just how brainwashed you are. If you actually bothered to listen to the man and his views instead of left wing sound bites maybe you will understand his positions and why so many people agree with him! Stop playing the bad Trump bad DiSantas card because it's not going to work anymore. Try having a decent Democrat candidate then it won't be an issue but they are all extreme far left liberals with an agenda nobody wants!

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

@@wublesmoop6125 We should not put his takes above criticism just because a bunch of braindead fans love him. Justin Bieber was once super popular and mainstream, would you take his political advice?

[@nickthompson1812]

I really don’t think he’s a conservative, I think he does lean left, but I think he wants to retain his image as a manly man (as seen by his TRT) by saying he supports conservative strong men like DeSantis.

[@TheOnionEnjoyer]

He supports him so he doesn't have to pay taxes

[@armanimani5779]

Newsbreak: Joe Rogan reveals on his podcast him and Kyle kulinski have fallen for each other

[@jamesparson]

I wish the best for them

[@sardoniclysane]

Shit does Krystal know?

[@timrattray]

Kyle, extremely long time fan here to say that these endless Rogan PR videos are by far the most embarrassing thing you've ever done. It's gone past pushing back against criticism of him you disagree with and full-on into simping. Though I get the impression you don't care about this criticism that nearly everyone here is voicing every time. And if I'm to be generous and say your point is just to update us on Rogan's politics... most people don't care, and those that do watch him already. It is the least substantive content on your channel.

[@artswar404]

I don’t see it as PR. I think Joe watched some of Kyle’s stuff so it’s kinda of a public message to Joe

[@mangaas]

Kyle just wants views. He doesn't really care about anything else. He gets clicks off Trump and Joe Rogan in his title and thumbnail, and if he kisses Joe's ass enough, he might remind him that he still exists, and get invited back on (which would give him a boost in views and subs) Politics is just a topic these pretend journalists on KZbin use to make money.

[@trevorgrover5619]

@@artswar404 That, or Kyle is trying to chase the trending algorithm

[@trillfa9774]

Yeah at this point he’s getting about as bad as YT.

[@adampike3834]

PR? What by playing the very things joe says? . . . The problem with SO MUCH of the "criticism" is that it's a complete lie. Maybe, just maybe progressives could take a break from constantly smearing him?

[@mofishin2648]

Kyle simps for Joe so hard, I wonder if Krystal gets jealous?

[@arturo0727]

XD yo....

[@jcleaverchamberlinjr]

Dunno, maybe she's a domme and actually likes it

[@adampike3834]

Then maybe, just maybe progressives could take a break from constantly smearing him?

[@DHEspana]

@@adampike3834 Facts, channels like TYT are beyond obssesed with him, using his clips every other week

[@garfunkle5447]

Aww did someone get triggered. Instead of commenting on the issue talked about. You go after his character.

[@ds8249]

Conservatives cling onto random JRE clips and claim him as their own! Kyle proceeds to do the same thing

[@Shark-hn4mv]

You forgot mainstream media clinging to select JRE clips to slander and take him out of context.

[@pinkyfloyd7712]

@@Shark-hn4mv stfu, no one is mischaracterizing Joe Rogan, they are literally holding him accountable for the stupid shit that comes out of his mouth, that's not taking him out of context

[@k3v1n47]

*Rogan:* _"I agree with everything on the left as far as economic policy and social safety nets. The main policy that congress has control over. I also agree with the left on foreign policy. The thing that the Presidency has the most control over. I agree with the Left on judicial policies. I'll say that stuff over and over on camera for my millions of listeners to hear. I do have (way less) conservative policy preferences. Mostly minor, as a loudly declare I ain't a conservative."_ *You:* _"Conservatives cling onto random JRE clips and claim him as their own! Kyle proceeds to do the same thing"_ cool...cool...very cool.

[@ds8249]

@@k3v1n47 Rogan: endorses a right wing extremist You: does the exact thing I’m making fun of

[@k3v1n47]

@@ds8249 What did this _"endorsement"_ entail? The only way to determine one's position on the political gradient is via policy preferences and advocacy couched in the medium of time. Do you honestly believe that if that dude was given the option of the person who is in total agreement on policy running for president and not a fkn dork, Rogan wouldn't "endorse" them rather than the right winger who's in total disagreement? Maybe "Leftists" like you, are a problem. You're no different than the republicans who run in lockstep over some personality or whatever. _"This dude said he liked that dude who my team hates. Therefore that dude, who prolly don't know what the dude, my team hates, supports. Anyhoo, we don't like the dude who's on our side no-more."_ *Please stop speaking for the left. You're full o' ...*

[@megadick6000]

When did taking news bites out of Joe's podcasts become a credible source of news? Dude just agrees with whoever's with him at the time

[@jason_108]

I've listened to many hours of Rogan. Mainly for who he's interviewing. I hear him push back quite a bit. Are you just parroting the haters?

[@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701]

Nah, he doesn't agree with whoever he has on at the time, his conversations just never turn into some weird political versus game that people want. But its just mind boggling that people have turned this podcast of some random dude bullshitting with other random dudes, or dudettes, most of the time not even about politics, turned this into a daily news segments. No, you know what's even worse? How none of them say "oh, this guy is a thinking human being whose political and social ideas do not all fall on one "side" or the other"

[@catPENGUINpony]

Lmaooo Thank you. 🙏🏻

[@chefroxstarr9467]

I know. It's pathetic how Kyle is always trying to wash Joe Rogan's image. The guy is a piece of shit. Kyle is letting me down big time.

[@allisoncastle]

EXACCTLLYYYY. “When did this become credible?” When Joe said Kyle is his favorite channel. Kyle hasn’t stopped praising him since.

[@avatarmikephantom153]

The gymnastics Kyle is doing to support Joe but be against Desantis is amazing…

[@waltergrace565]

Haha, what? Support Rogan? What does that even mean? Kyle has a Spotify subscription?

[@adampike3834]

What gymnastics?

[@Shark-hn4mv]

He's saying Joe is being inconsistent by supporting DeSantis.

[@tcb1012]

I lean left on economic views and socially a bit right and I'll tell you I'm sick and tired of watching every episode on TV having a gay agenda... it's making me anti-gay and I wasn't before and I truly believe by my observation and interactions With Friends and relatives I'm not the only one who feels this way... Too much gay in Your face could be a bad thing 👈😋

[@yeehaw3792]

@@Shark-hn4mv or maybe he likes desantis for other things?

[@vinnyholiday9739]

I love how Joe says they wanna take away marriage rights and they wanna take away gun rights in the same sentence. When Joe criticizes Republicans, he always broadens his critique to "they" OR he always couches it with an attack on both sides or liberals. Joe never does this shit when he's criticizing a liberal.

[@jellyrollthunder3625]

Well I get that, because I feel like I need to qualify my statements when I'm criticizing people who I don't share as many of the same values with because it's super easy to just criticize a convenient boogeyman who isn't weighed down by the burden of my own personal identitiy. It just feels like the right thing to do to extend my credibiility with my intended audience. Does that make sense? When I'm criticizing people with a vested interest in dismisssing my argument just because I'm disagreeing with their holy political opinion, it can help to show them that you can see where the double standards are without needing a partisan movtivation. I think it's a good characteristic to want to hold your own party accountable FIRST rather than spend all my energy celebrating all the many reasons I hate this group of people over here who I don't even have the same values system as.

[@vinnyholiday9739]

@@jellyrollthunder3625 I disagree because effectively Joe always comes out supporting conservatives more. Hell even here he asserts that what makes him "right" is that he supports the military and hard work? These are vague gestures. But also he advocates for Alex Jones and takes numerous opportunities to label democrats as communists.

[@pimp22fly]

calling reps fascists or nazis is hardly even hyperbole now

[@adampike3834]

Yeah, it's just standard old insanity.

[@tarkus1056]

Orban just made a speech about how they don't want to be a mixed race state, that europeans getting together is okay but europeans and non-europeans shouldn't get together because that dilutes the race. And that guy is the opening speaker at CPAC this year. Let that sink in.

[@markzuckergecko621]

You're right, it's just incorrect.

[@domenicgalata1470]

Christian Nationalists is their new tag line, so let’s use it. Only educated and rational people know that is another way to say Nazi, so let’s use it. Fascism and the Church are intertwined, so it’s not out of touch to call them what they are. What remains true is that all fascists and Nazis must be destroyed and I’m here for it.

[@waltergrace565]

@@tarkus1056 Haha, where's that?

[@weikel]

Once again for those that put their fingers in their ears when it comes to rogan, Rogans opinions change daily based on who his guest is. He doesn't have any deeply held policy beliefs, he's just a mirror of his guest. In the same way calling him right wing is inaccurate, so is calling him left wing.

[@MWhaleK]

Except for his support of the Uber Conservative Governor of Florida, keeps having right wingers on his show and left California for Texas.

[@weikel]

@@MWhaleK oh I don't mean any of what i said as positive. I think he'll say whatever he thinks his guest wants to hear but his actual actions tend to support actual right wing ideology

[@weikel]

@David Austin and maybe that's why this was one of the few episodes he's done where he doesn't say a bunch of right wing garbage. That actually reinforces my point (the exception that proves the rule). Usually he has conservatives on and agrees with whatever conservative garbage they are pushing, and the one time he comes on and claims to not be a conservative is when someone apolitical is on (read:someone he won't piss off by saying it). Not that I know anything about Schultz but if what you're saying is true that actually explains why he was willing to say this anyway.

[@theymademepickaname1248]

I heard Rogan farted yesterday. I can't wait for Kyle to do an in depth breakdown.

[@malcolmxpanther]

Kyle loves him some Rogan yet Rogan hasn’t invited Kyle on in over a year

[@billyj3842]

Largest podcast ever that's impressive he has been on 4 times tbh

[@rhynoklein7]

If you go far enough left you get your guns back.

[@spikem5950]

One of the biggest mysteries of politics is how the left has allowed the right to sweep the reputation of pro-gun. We really need to expand the visibility of the SRA and other adjacent organizations.

[@desecration171]

Kyle posted another "In Defense Of..." video for Mr. Meatpuppet. People weren't calling him a crypto-conservative. It was the everything he did and his guests before the Desantis comment that got him labeled.

[@eldetailz]

Kyle's dignity is all the way in the toilet for carrying water so enthusiastically for Rogan.

[@lc9072]

Direction brain morons BTFO by Kyle's fact by fact based reporting style rather than high falutent grandstanding and grifting. Stay mad radicals, moderates stay winning. Cope and seethe

[@georgem2334]

But Rogan is brown nosing DeSantis.

[@OT_concerned_citizen]

Hopefully desantis joins podcast and Rogan picks his brain

[@lukemurray4950]

It's clear everyone on this channel is slow in the head 🤦 your policies are in the wrong order! You will literally vote a president who says yay for gay even if he ruins the country and pushes an agenda nobody wants! You literally create these right wing figures you hate by not giving voters any other options! Rogan is voting for Ron because Democrats took away his freedoms, attacked his freedom of speech and tried to cancel him! Put up his taxes, trashed the economy and is weak on foreign policy! Of course he will vote for Ron even if he doesn't agree with everything!! This is what you don't get... The left is really that bad!!

[@thekenner]

It's amazing how shocked Rogan is, yet he'll still take no initiative to understand the people he gives clout to, and what they truly stand for.

[@gabeasher187]

The thing Kyle doesn't bring up here is the number of right-wing guests he's had over and over, over the years compared to leftists is pretty telling. So many known clowns.

[@babygorilla4233]

"keep us fighting over culture war issues, as you run out the back door with all the money". Idk if he knows it but that is almost exactly what Carlin said. Simple plan, happens to work.

[@DreamStepper]

Even when Joe makes left wing points he inadvertently promotes right-wing propaganda just so he can pander his audience and sound enlightened "Other leftist are crazy, but me I'm special" Whether intentional or not that kind of persistent dialogue can hurt left wing causes.

[@Ryuujinv01]

It's the same thing that centrism has done. They exist to make sure we think anything left of Reagan is extreme left wing radicalism.

[@bt9704]

Sometimes the problem is that people pile on and call you a fascist/nazi if you do not agree with every leftist position and a commie if you aren't in agreement with every conservative talking point. It seems that you are supposed to be 100% left or right at this point.

[@Black_Caucus]

It isn’t inadvertent. Rogan has been saying the same Republican propaganda for a couple years now. This guy isn’t an absolute moron, he KNOWS exactly what he’s doing. When it comes down to it, it’s all about the money- whether it’s Jimmy Dore, Joe Rogan, or Glenn Greenwald. Whitewashing Rogan isn’t something a leftist ever would, or should do. This is just gross.

[@Rowsy91]

Well most lefties are kinda nuts thats fair to say

[@DreamStepper]

@@bt9704 True, but Joe a person who's audience is mostly right wing should be aware that the vocal minority is just a minority.

[@kdundid]

I love how we're supposed to pretend 98% of Rogans guest aren't right wing. That he didn't endorse DeSantis. That he didn't bitch about "lazy" workers throughout the pandemic. That he wasn't joking about shooting homeless people just last week. He only throws the left an occasional bone because he's sheepdogging for the right. Yes the short Matt Orf video was full of those bones. You could literally fill countless hours with his right wing takes. Kyle it took you a while to realize Tulsi was right wing and ran in 2020 to play spoiler against Bernie. Yang was also in that race to syphon votes from Bernie. Time to take your Rogan blinders off. I'm not buying the apolitical himbo act Rogan knows exactly what he's doing. He's only friendly with you to give himself some credibility while he sheepdogs

[@BarberJ95]

This is the best summary of it! I’d only add remember too when he supported the don’t say gay bill and accused LGBTQ folks being open as tantamount to grooming. Ooh also when he said anyone young who works out didn’t need to be vaxxed and questioned vaccines for being made by big Pharma co.s but then promoted monoclonal antibodies after he got sick 🙄 which were made by big Pharma… I’m so sick of him and how some folks just see him as the outta touch rich grifter conservative he is.

[@KartikChugh]

The guy is a wrestler turned comedian turned podcast host who's main hobby in life is DMT. Hardly evil political genius material

[@kdundid]

@@KartikChugh you don't have to be a genius to be an effective propagandist.

[@jumpingbombangels2856]

@@kdundid if you’re watching joe rogan for his political takes then you’re probably not very bright in the first place.

[@KartikChugh]

@@kdundid You have to be intentional. This guy Rogan doesn't know anything about DeSantis except for his vaccine policy

[@Chris-ht5tj]

Kyle this is getting just sad at you never missing a headline to argue for Rogan's politics more than Rogan does. You care about this more than him, and take away from spot lighting other news.

[@waltergrace565]

Huh? That's the grift.

[@ryryry_25]

I agree that kyle does care more about Joe’s political views than Joe does but it hasn’t become sad yet i even think it could be helpful

[@TheClayCoKid]

It's because Rogan has the biggest podcast in the world and so many leftists have abandoned him for whatever they are mad at this week. When in reality he is a huge ally.

[@tcb1012]

I lean left on economic views and socially a bit right and I'll tell you I'm sick and tired of watching every episode on TV having a gay agenda... it's making me anti-gay and I wasn't before and I truly believe by my observation and interactions With Friends and relatives I'm not the only one who feels this way... Too much gay in Your face could be a bad thing 👈😋

[@Black_Caucus]

Kyle is doing the same kind of shit that Jimmy Dore or Glenn Greenwald do. He’s whitewashing Rogan’s horrible ideology by cherry-picking one good sentence but ignoring literally dozens of other times. Rogan endorsed an actual fascist DeSantis with *literal* Nazi flag waving supporters for president. Rogan has also been spewing the same anti-LGBTQ Republican propaganda that the GOP has been using lately. If you’re an actual leftist, you shouldn’t be promoting someone like Rogan who is completely opposed to our ideas. Kyle knows better than this. This is just embarrassing and every whitewash video of Rogan hurts the left wing movement. I hope Kyle eventually understands what he’s doing is promoting a right wing grifter, even if it’s his “good friend Joe” to quote Bernie- who Kyle called a cuck when Bernie did the SAME EXACT THING LMAO.

[@IS-db6pn]

Joe has said repeatedly since moving to Texas, “I’m socially liberal, fiscally conservative”. That’s not being on the left. That’s being a right wing libertarian. And also, people didn’t have a point saying Joe is conservative before endorsing DeSantis? That is just so untrue and shows Kyle’s bias in favor of Joe.

[@Jackzay90]

"All that talk about freedom and liberty...they don't mean any of it." They exclusively mean lack of government regulation on markets. That's it. They absolutely LOVE big government in every other arena.

[@spikem5950]

And leftists really need to highlight that more.

[@germandrummer13]

Bruh you gotta quit these Rogan fanboy videos

[@johnnydoe2672]

This is why people need to stop seeing Rogan as a credible political commentator. He is a comedian, podcaster, mma enthusiast, etc. but not a politician or a political commentator. He may make comments on politics because of the guests he has on, but his podcast isn’t dedicated to it. His comments just get a lot of traction because he has the #1 podcast in the world.

[@xAssailantx]

"This is why people need to stop seeing Rogan as a credible political commentator." That doesn't do anything though. Doesn't matter if I don't view him as a credible political commentator because a large portion of his audience will and they will also listen to his medical advice.

[@rdm3373]

Ok but what degree do you need to be a political commentator?

[@ross4]

This is like the 6th Rogan segment Kyle has done this week.

[@lc9072]

He's getting rogans Apostles out of their echochamber. Good on him.

[@_audacity2722]

Joe Rogan: "I'm so fucking far from being a republican" Also Joe Rogan, 10 seconds earlier: "if it wasn't for this anti-gay stuff I would be a republican" 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Rumplesti1tskin]

His comments or views serve no value in the political realm. I don’t know why people take him so seriously.

[@ericridenour5506]

Yeah but that’s not near what he said.

[@_audacity2722]

@@ericridenour5506 I watched the whole episode, not just this clip. It is what he said actually.

[@jno4159]

@@Rumplesti1tskin Because it angers people that he is even allowed to speak. They want to deplatform and banish people from society that dont fit into the approved boxes

[@_audacity2722]

@@Rumplesti1tskin US americans take him seriously because of the anti-intellectualism that grips the country. Half of the USA can't even read at an 8th grade level. It's really no wonder why they are so easily manipulated.

[@garfieldGG]

Oh awesome! Kyle is doing a bi-weekly “old fashioned” for Joe Rogan! Edit: 7:39 he actually does a smidge of criticism 😱

[@estivwholaughs614]

ikr he's always on Rogan's nuts

[@DominatingNA]

It's actually pathetic how often Kyle does stories on Rogan at this point...

[@ElderTechDragon]

If you're covering "news" then it stands to reason you would keep an eye on significant cultural shifts. For better or worse, Rogan is THE most watched podcast on Earth. More people get their news from the internet now than any other source. So reporting on someone whom millions of people a month appear to anchor their attention when it comes to cultural hot-button debates seems pretty sensible. Especially on these occasions when Joe delivers a roundhouse kick to the Josh Hawley wannabees in his fan base that were convinced he was really speaking out for them

[@rdm3373]

I mean is he not the most popular Podcaster in the world? Maybe I'm wrong

[@DominatingNA]

@@ElderTechDragon These segments are PR for Rogan, not just "coverage" of his segments - no one is disputing he's the most popular podcaster nor is that really relevant to the point

[@Zegeebwah]

@@rdm3373 he's like a leech that latches onto a hippo to feed off the algae and grime but it's all within the ecosystem

[@Plasticsoldier64]

You're ridiculous. It's like you don't realize people like Rogan can be nuanced and aren't just deserving of pure criticism. You poison the left.

[@ThatOneGuy-dc3xq]

I bet Kyle creamed his metaphorical (cause he doesn't need then, has no legs) pants when Rogan gave him this take. Even though Rogan still support DeSantis ..

[@SmegCro]

Man kyle is just like rogans comedian friends who are afraid to criticise him, also giving him so much attention. Im so over this

[@Julian-jd5yj]

The right has a firm grip on the "discipline" case. The left must push back on that. We need more self-help gurus from the left

[@fod79]

If Rogan was honest and said: "look, I make a lot of money, and it is in my interest to move to Texas, vote Republican, but I wouldn't do that if I wasn't part of the 0.01%" I wouldn't like it, but I would respect it. Now, he's just bullshitting us.

[@lorimoore5589]

That line that of "you need to work hard" pisses me off. So many people getting food stamps an medicaid are very hard-working. You can work forty hours a week busting your ass an still qualify for benefits, there is something wrong with that. Working forty hours a week on minimum wage you should be able to provide yourself with a roof over your head, a vehicle an food. Minimumn wage should allow you the basics in life, you shouldn't work your ass off to live in your car an get foods stamps. The fact that it doesn't work that way is the problem.

[@rdm3373]

Working hard as a virtue is by no means some weird stretch into supporting exploitation. Just because someone says that doesn't mean me doubting your work ethic

[@lorimoore5589]

@@rdm3373 I am not 100% sure what you're saying. If you think I meant people expressing the need for hard work to achieve success means they think they are not hard working, that's not what I meant. Hard work is a virtue but those that assume that people who need assistance just need to work harder, is the what upsets me. Someone saying that you wouldn't be on food stamps if you just worked harder is what I meant, not just talking about the fact that hard work is necessary. 😊

[@veronicavarela2041]

Rogan is truly ignorant when it comes to Canada. His love for guns makes me I’ll, so just stay in the USA. Kyle you give too much importance to this guy.

[@beeventsvisualart3070]

Well I know Republicans that voted for Tulsi and I know democrats that voted for Ron Paul.

[@ShukakuTheCrazy1]

He almost woke up, then fell right back into the right wing talking points

[@jimbob498]

No, you are just completely authoritarian

[@asbe0180]

Kyle is being way to easy on the rank and file republican, saying that they're not as bad as republican politicians. Somebody is electing these people, and keeping them in power , after they've shown their true colors, day after day.

[@markdouglas1601]

Because democrats aren’t exactly putting up a decent candidate

[@arturo0727]

Can we stop talking about Joe, Kyle. Nothing you say will make change my mind on Joe, only Joe's action can do that. Just let it go..... Man. Take an L... Look I used to hear Joe too, then it got a bit weird in 2020 then I let it go. It's okay dude no one is gonna say you are soft for letting go.

[@adampike3834]

But here's the problem, he's showing you joes actions.... What joes actions actually are... but you don't care, you've locked yourself into that moronic tribalistic box and refuse to come out.

[@waltergrace565]

Well, to be fair, they're still gonna say he's soft. But that's from the amphetamine abuse.

[@tcb1012]

I lean left on economic views and socially a bit right and I'll tell you I'm sick and tired of watching every episode on TV having a gay agenda... it's making me anti-gay and I wasn't before and I truly believe by my observation and interactions With Friends and relatives I'm not the only one who feels this way... Too much gay in Your face could be a bad thing 👈😋

[@radiant5657]

@@adampike3834 his actions are verbally supporting gay people and then endorsing DeSantis. Fuck off.

[@TommyGordon82579]

Kyle’s doing clean up work for Rogan. How cute……

[@SnakeyBlakey]

Could you be a bigger Rogan fan girl than Kyle? 🤣🤣🤣

[@drunkendevil]

Rogan openly supporting DeSantis invalidates this whole video. I’m glad Kyle brought up this point.

[@profd65]

Kyle should really go buy a skirt and some poms poms: he's Joe Rogan's number one cheerleader.

[@jfinity_362]

IT'S TIME WE BE CRITICAL OF ROGAN THE SAME WAY WE ARE OF BERNIE.

[@StannisHarlock]

SO TRUE.

[@madhavgoel4974]

Or far more so - since Bernie's actually passed legislature that helped people

[@StannisHarlock]

@@madhavgoel4974 This is true, although I believe Jfinity was just suggesting that we judge Joe Fairly the same way we judge Bernie fairly. Kyle will take aggressive shots at Bernie when he feels it's warranted, but if he says anything about Joe's nonsense at all, Kyle always makes some sort of excuse such as, "Well I'm sure if Joe knew all the facts he would see things differently." And that just doesn't cut it anymore.

[@limitisillusion7]

"You're all idiots and I'm the smartest person in the world. Bow down to me and my desires" -this comment section to everyone that disagrees with them

[@videojamm]

Kyle, I love your show, you're so well informed. Sometimes when I try to relay the facts you present I fail, and trying to find them later is very hard. Would you ever consider making an infograph series about different policy positions you have, backed up with relevant data points? Kind of like a pragerU but actually good? I'd love to see you present the historical arguments in favor of unions for example, or the history of citizens united and money in politics. I know this would be a departure from your usual format but I think there are lots of us who could use this kind of video to help further the cause.

[@Karavolos]

I think that's what the Gravel Institute channel is doing.

[@Alfador42]

Kyle doesn't read comments

[@videojamm]

@@Karavolos thx, hadn't come across them, checking them out now.

[@nersharific813]

@@videojamm Careful with that organization. They produce some great content, but their take on the Russian invasion of Ukraine was basically Russian Propaganda. So much so that after a lot of backlash, they removed their original video.

[@vratyasvakyas6022]

@@videojamm also check out Renegade cut and Second thought

[@judefernandez9234]

"I moved to Texas because I want fucking freedom." As a Texan that shit is hilarious considering our Governor's policies

[@jgarza9809]

Not really... I take it you didn't experience what Joe did during covid? (I also live in Texas and have family in California) I don't remember Abbott pushing for longer lockdowns. I also remember him being the first to advocate for schools to be open... Giving parents the *option* to send their kids to school with or without a mask was also very nice (I wish Greg did a better job with this)... Not putting restrictions on boating was also nice... Not restricting people's ability to garden was also very cool... Not restricting people's ability to travel was waaay cool... Telling people it's okay to vax, but there are other options, was also a nice touch... Notice how Abbott is giving options? Why has Governor Gretchen Whitmer dictated that gardening supplies, and seeds for fruits & vegetables, be banned for sale in Michigan? Don't get me wrong, I think Greg is terrible (he was too soft during covid and is still too soft at the boarder) and I'd love to vote him out, but just because he doesn't work for the blue team (and push a liberal wishlist), doesn't mean he wasn't giving Joe's "fcking freedom".

[@josephn9251]

@@jgarza9809 so your pulling for beto? Yikes man

[@DwayneBennett]

For the millionth time Kyle he's not one of us. He still supports DeSantis who is perfectly fine with all the bs his fellow repubs do

[@IS-db6pn]

Kyle criticizes Bernie for being soft on Biden, yet he is the same when it comes to Rogan. Kind of hypocritical.

[@rs72098]

Homosexuality is an abomination in the bible, that doesn't mean someone is a bigot or someone is inferior. Homosexuality does not involve the same things as a heterosexual relationship.

[@thinkbeyond3457]

Department of Damage Control 😄👎

[@gar915]

I’ve never seen anyone name drop as much as you do. Look at me look at me, i know Rogan, aren’t I cool? Ur a joke Kyle

[@AuntJemimaCakes]

I work at a bar in FL and you know that when people who are hardcore right wingers complain about their representation in the house and senate then there is definitely something wrong… doesn’t stop em from watching fox tho smh

[@JackM63538]

For all those wondering why Kyle is always posting videos of and defending Joe it’s clearly bc he wants to benefit from Joe’s insane popularity/viewership. Just like he is with Krystal Ball.

[@maximilian3394]

Joe "complete and total and utter hypocrite" Rogan

[@millerrain4025]

i know it kills you that Kyle wants and needs Rogan as his friend.

[@fl2927]

It’s hilarious watching right wing Rogan get mad about people calling him a secret conservative. I wonder if he’ll find a way to blame it on socialism and Venezuela! 🤣

[@jadapinkett1656]

Deluded leftist

[@Protection220]

i thought homie was vaping a tube of toothpaste for a second lmao

[@CliffordXHA1]

"Keep Americans fighting over culture war issues while we run out the backdoor with all the money". Yep, that's Republican's

[@richc.9273]

No that's politicians. FFS I can't for the life of me understand how anyone is still so fucking blind. (oh okay, I see what you did there. Nicely done Dividerbot or Agent Divider.. whichever you happen to be.)

[@TheOneCodeNameV]

I'm glad I unsubscribed from your channel. I want the old Kyle back.

[@DojoVII]

Stop. Praising. Joe.

[@waltergrace565]

Why? He seems like a decent fella.

[@iancuninghame9163]

He can do what he wants, screw off

[@DojoVII]

@@waltergrace565 bet he is with his support of DeSantis and anti-vax bullshit

[@kreskinkun]

When someone tells you they're very pro wellness, and then you catch them chugging drain cleaner between their life coach meeting and yoga session, there are a lot of ways to spin it, but the main takeaway should be that this isn't a person to elevate.

[@bardclay]

It's worrisome that so many think Rogan's views are inconsistent or incompatible with each other. The electorate has been convinced that there is only two sides to every argument, and that independents with arching views are somehow disingenuous or misguided.

[@gooieglopp]

I love Andrew Schulz so much. He’s always been an ally.

[@Russelshackleford]

Now if he could just do his job and be funny.

[@gooieglopp]

@@Russelshackleford what?

[@TwoForFlinchin1]

Being anti-trans is totally different though

[@Yic17Studio]

Kyle you should try to get on Joe Rogan's show again and educate him about Ron DeSantis.

[@BrandtHambrick]

A semi automatic weapon is not an "assault weapon". Automatic assault weapons ARE ALREADY illegal for the common citizen to buy. Get educated Kyle.

[@wilcee238]

@Brandt Hambrick Cool story lady

[@sndspderbytes]

Assault weapons dont exist its a political label. Assault Rifles do exist and semi automatic AR and HK and AK platforms for a civilian market still qualify as assault rifles. Most soldiers use the semi automatic mode over the fully automatic mode in actual combat. An assault weapon is a meaningless designation but a semi automatic assault rifle is used to often and is to formidable to continue selling to the general public. Bump stocks can juice up a semi automatic assault rifle for difilating fire from above into large densely packed crowds and in semi auto a single person highly motivated can run and fire against a large group of cops with the same type of rifle That in the end is what an assault rifle can do different than other types of firearms. An semi auto assault rifle even in the hands of a untrained shooter can take on multiple trained shooters also armed with assault rifles if the untrained shooter is highly motivated and willing to run towards the officers firing using natural point shooting with 20 or 30 round magazines. No other legally available fire arms have the nessasary qualities needed for a untrained person to take on several trained shooters using aggressive movement combined with firing. To claim a semi automatic AR is not an assault rifle is pretty thin a claim the use of them to carry out the mass slaughter of children and adults puts them far above any other civilian weapon system than any other. They take the least amount of skill to inflict the most amount of devastation

[@michaelmurphy3707]

This is the Joe I remember.

[@MWhaleK]

Joe Rogan: I'm so far from being a Conservative. Also, Rogan: lists a bunch of issues where he agrees with conservatives, keeps agreeing with Conservatives, keeps having conservatives on his show, left California for Texas and say that he wants the Ultra MAGA governor of Florida to be president. He literally can't list a single thing that makes him a liberal much less the bleeding-heart liberal he says he is.

[@leosklein2573]

I think vibes-based is spot on. There's a lot of people who vote on candidate's overall energy

[@technologic21]

Rogain's politics are all over the place, which is typical of people who are not engaged.

[@1truthisfiction]

Joe uses Liberal and left interchangeably just like he uses conservative, an ideology, with republican, and political party. Idk if Joe really knows what these words mean

[@adampike3834]

To be fair, neither do the people smearing joe.

[@markdouglas1601]

I mean they are pretty interchangeable. There’s maybe more of a spectrum to conservative than there is republicans though

[@1truthisfiction]

@@markdouglas1601 I agree with your conservative comment but no leftist would call themselves a liberal. Liberals are left of center but definitely not leftists

[@markdouglas1601]

@@1truthisfiction ya idk the terms that well. I thought liberal and left were basically the same. Same with right and conservative. But isn’t left supposed to be democrat and right republican? Because that’s where they sit in the house or something?

[@1truthisfiction]

@@markdouglas1601 they're not the same. For example Biden is a democrat but he is a conservative Democrat. There are a lot of different ideologies and philosophies within leftism and very few, if any of them would align themselves with Dems or liberals. Unless it was for a short term, legislative goal.

[@chafrey8532]

Lmao rogan throwing Kyle a bunch of cover after his HARD right turn. Nice of him. Kyle almost had to start shitting on him before this.

[@plotinus393]

Most Christians talk more about abortion and contraception than poverty and exploitation.

[@luannwiles6803]

I do wonder because unfortunately I live in Texas if they were to ban abortion completely even to save the mother's life if the mother was to die will there be a lawsuit that could be filed?

[@MrChaosi]

ehmm he supports Ron DeSantis for president..

[@TommyBNSF]

Yes, Kyle talks about that at the end.

[@lj2265]

Rogan should pay you for all the spin and PR you do for him lmao Half your channel is talking about this veterinarian patient.

[@RealShaktimaan]

I'm not sure why the media is obsessed with him. He has become Kim Kardashian of politics. Even though he probably doesn't know much.

[@mofishin2648]

Kyle becoming everything he claims to be against.

[@frostbite3318]

Lol I just commented that, so true

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

I'm willing to bet that they have some kind of deal behind the scenes.

[@brothersandsistersofvalhalla]

@@RealShaktimaan So in other words the American Media is being the American Media. Quoting "experts" and celebrities who don't have a clue what they're talking about.

[@middleagebrotips3454]

And this is the same person who is supportive of Ron DeSantis....

[@wcagee101]

People confuse what being conservative actually is because they damn sure not financially superior nor do they belive in hard work. In fact, they take credit for the hard work of others.

[@Pepsolman]

Kyle continues to apologize for his buddy.

[@John-mu2js]

Same thing he called Bernie Sanders a cuck for defending Joe Biden. He's a hypocrite

[@lapinchechismosa]

“Joe is making the classic Leftist point” lol STOP IT RIGHT NOW, KYLE!!!

[@Jagetful]

Joe: i support legalize weed, I support Gay marriage, I support voting rights but I'm going to support a guy who is against all that!

[@jimbob498]

Nah, that’s just you being authoritarian

[@Jagetful]

@@jimbob498 I'm a republican that supports Bernie Sanders and thinks Joe Rogan is too far right.

[@jimbob498]

@@Jagetful what????

[@jimbob498]

@@Jagetful could you make sense of that statement?

[@muttbuslife1111]

Rogan has already said in 2016 he would support Jesse Ventura, who is very Left & anti-establishment. All we have to do to get Rogan off DeSantis is get Ventura to run. The only thing holding him back in 2020 was having to give up his job at RT and lose his healthcare during a pandemic and while his wife was awaiting medical tests. That is obviously no longer an issue since every American at RT lost their job, and I believe his wife would be on Medicare now anyway which was another point he had made and one reason he supports universal healthcare. He also supports legal weed, ending wars and using the money normally handed over to military industrial complex to clean up the environment instead, upholding the 2nd amendment while having robust regulations in place where you have to prove you can safely operate the guns and aren't a danger, not only raising the minimum wage but instituting a maximum wage for people paying themselves salaries of 10s of millions, and so much more. Congress would obviously obstruct as much as they could, but then he would publicly call out and shame them and actually expose all the corruption and drain the swamp.

[@playea123]

Kyle has talked this topic to death. I always assumed that Rogan is behind desantis because he sees him as the best option out of Biden, Trump, Kamala or buttigig. I don’t think I ever heard Kyle mention or even think out loud about that viewpoint which seems so obvious

[@BenjamUniverse]

Logic makes no sense. You don't have to support DeSantis to say you don't like Biden. He also ISNT the better choice because Biden and his party isnt trying to attack transgenders and gay marriage

[@playea123]

@@BenjamUniverse He doesn't. You are correct, but since everyone says that voting third party is throwing away your vote, Joe's options, in his head at least, are likely Biden, Trump, Kamala and maybe Buttigig. Biden and his party also can't get a meaningful piece of legislation that benefits normal people and not companies passed. At some point, if you have the options of someone who cannot lead at all or a leader who you disagree with on certain issues but can command respect of his party and get things done, most people would go with the latter. That's how you end up with countries that want a strong military man as president, the other options can get things done or fuck things up. Bad leaders can fuck up and drive away people from idealogies that would otherwise make sense. If the Dems run Biden, Kamala or Buttigig, I won't vote for them. I'm also not gonna go and vote for Desantis but I have no problem voting third party or not voting at all. The logic might not make sense because Joe is a massive personality and following.

[@ricaard]

"And now: my weekly 'Save Joe's Rep(ublican)' Segment..."

[@rilke3266]

If you start treating certain Americans as though they are not Americans, their willingness to support and defend this country will crumble away.

[@Ryan_Perrin]

I remember in the 2012 republican primaries I was watching the candidates talk and all of them mentioned how gay marriage needs to be banned, that was the moment I realized my "social libertarian" ideals made me sit better in the democrat camp