Roger Penrose - What Things Really Exist?

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What things really exist? What are the most general categories to understand the world?

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@NakedTalons 9 жыл бұрын

I love how humble Penrose is at the end when he alludes to "those impossible triangles...like Escher." They're called Penrose triangles, named after and popularized and independently discovered by Penrose and his father.

@peezieforestem5078 2 жыл бұрын

6:43 "there are some prejudices of mine involved in drawing [that triangle]"

@allybally0021 Жыл бұрын

He may be humble....but I am VASTLY more humble.

@vinniehuish3987 12 күн бұрын

@@allybally0021You realize that stating what you have makes you LESS humble right lol. It’s ok ur a chick

@lagrange65535 9 жыл бұрын

I believe that Penrose is one of the greatest thinkers today. He did so many brilliant contributions to general relativity, but still he has bigger picture in mind. I admire him.

@vhawk1951kl 2 жыл бұрын

He's just a dreamer like thousands and more of other dreamers. dreamers cannot*know* anything, however'humble' they may appear to be.

@whatzause Жыл бұрын

And Sir Roger is a kind gentleman.

@markberman6708 Жыл бұрын

Indeed.

@laughattack1204 6 ай бұрын

And thus, his work is destined to be squandered, covered up, and rebranded. Good luck everybody else!

@kahzhoylow4352 5 жыл бұрын

"...Even most of the time mathematicians are thinking about other things." LOL

@zwz.zdenek 10 жыл бұрын

They should broadcast *this* instead of the BS evening news! We don't need any more simpletons.

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@AlmostEthical 9 жыл бұрын

+zwz • zdenek WE don't need more simpletons but the super wealthy who are in control need unthinking productive units, and for the thinkers to channel their ideas into profits. Instead of thinking, they prefer we say "God dunnit" and then get on with working and breeding up new workers. There's definitely nothing like this on the free-to-air TV in Australia, and not much on Pay TV - a couple of channels that mostly repeat the same documentaries. Anyone who relies on TV for their info is not someone who is interested in existential matters. Some people need to face death, or have someone close to them face death, before they get interested in reality.

@blues_guitar_string3733 8 жыл бұрын

This is a brilliant and inspiring discussion. I love it when a scientist/mathematician such as Penrose admits there are mysteries about existence and consciousness. All too often these days so many physicists and philosophers are rather mindless materialists, and seem to lack the imagination and curiosity to face these enigmas. Perhaps there is a certain amount of mental pain involved to doing so. William James regarded the thought about "why there is something rather than nothing" as the darkest emotion evoking thought we humans can have. And the issue Penrose mentions of whether the mathematical world has an independent existence is in my opinion a real issue, but I would wager many contemporary particle physicists and cosmologists would not even understand it….or, if they did, would dismiss it as silly. Well, maybe these questions cannot be answered in any satisfactory way, but to me it is a source of wonder just to contemplate them. I am very glad there are people like Penrose.

@squamish4244 6 жыл бұрын

There's a lot of fear. Materialists are attached to the idea of their limited worldview and oblivion at death.

@twirlipofthemists3201 6 жыл бұрын

I consider it silly. Not due to fear.

@coreycox2345 6 жыл бұрын

And you have solved this by your belief in an independent world of mathematics, valar? Wow.

@roqsteady5290 5 жыл бұрын

All sensible scientists and philosophers admit that there are mysteries about existence and consciousness. When a post starts out like this, it is usually a prelude to some mystical mumbo jumbo involving supernatural entities... perhaps you were leading up to that, but didn't quite make it, but Platonic absolutes are certainly another step along the way.

@01107345 5 жыл бұрын

@@roqsteady5290 I'd imagine "extradimensional entities" might be a comfortable idea for you.

@mayukhchatterjee5998 4 жыл бұрын

One day this humble brilliant minded person will win a Noble Prize.❤

@counterko 4 жыл бұрын

already

@fancee_shmancee 3 жыл бұрын

Nobel*

@oscar3490 3 жыл бұрын

Ugh.

@jamesmcsparron 3 жыл бұрын

@@fancee_shmancee Know Bell*

@zotsi6218 3 жыл бұрын

He just did!!!!😂

@stapleman007 3 жыл бұрын

Watching these Rodger Penrose videos puts a smile on my face.

@willnzsurf 4 жыл бұрын

This morning I was thinking about Monism & Dualism hoping for a third option. Here it is, Trialism, sprinkled with a little bit of humour to make it fun. Thank you, Sirs!💯

@BugRib 4 жыл бұрын

Roger Penrose is the most theoretical-physicist-esque name ever.

@paullaclair4892 10 жыл бұрын

Very surprising that Roger would paint matter, mind and mathematics as though they were separate realities. Mathematics describes a set of relationships within the physical world. The mere fact that it can be done independent of any material context does not mean that it is a separate reality. He says that at around 9:00, yet his language before that suggests something else. He also uses the term "kind of existence." That makes a bit more sense to me but I still don't see much value in the distinctions he seems to be drawing. The very framing of the question is problematic: "What Things Really Exist?" The first question could be "exist in what sense?"

@zagyex 9 жыл бұрын

funny that the interviewer says "Escher - like" impossible triangles, actually Penrose and his father made these triangles popular and escher took inspiration from them. It is also called "penrose-triangle"

@honeys.kapoor2838 3 жыл бұрын

Reality is merely an illusion, Albeit a very persistent one. -- Albert Einstein All matter originates and exists only by virtue of a force. -- Max Planck ( Noblest ) ________________________________________ What are the forces in the universe about which we have no knowledge, but that unite, does not discriminate against anyone and controls us all. (1) gravity (2) EGO (3) Darkness (4) fear (5) dream __________________________________________ force ? Slavery is a state controlled by the upper force. Excessive pressure of slavery creates a force that destroys this slavery. __________________________________________ Common force ? Any desire of the universe produces a force according to its needs. __________________________________________ But ' Miss' / sir principle is; I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative from consciousness. We cannot get behind consciousness. Everything that we talk about, everything that we regard as existing, postulates consciousness. --- Max Planck ( Noblest ) __________________________________________ Any desire of the universe produces a force according to its needs. Thinking and Imagination is a process that no rules apply to, and it is a state of consciousness of an endless singularity. Thinking is a process of changing ( as needed ) thinking of another thought. -- Jiddu Krishnamurti Imagination means creating images. -- Jiddu Krishnamurti Because; the Thought ( you are ) is not thinker. -- Eckhart tolle And; there can be no thinker without thought. -- Jiddu Krushnamurti __________________________________________ You are the consciousness of this infinite universe which is experiencing this body. Because; we cannot get behind consciousness. -- Max Planck ( Noblest ) The total number of minds in the universe is one; consciousness is a singularity phasing within all beings. -- Erwin schrodinger ( Noblest ) __________________________________________ Consciousness means infinite, unite and unchanable state; origin of everything. Because; consciousness never sleeps never changes. --- Walter Russell __________________________________________ We also need consciousness to talk to ourselves. between two Thoughts pure consciousness. -- Eckhart tolle __________________________________________ Now the question arises that even a single thought in the universe is not possible without consciousness. So where does the force for events like gravity, black holes, supernova originate from? _________________________________________ Max Planck says in reference to any event happening in the universe. All matter originates and Exists only by virtue of a force.. we must assume behind this force the existence of a Conscious and intelligent mind. --- Max Planck ( Noblest ) __________________________________________ He did not talk about any particular ( Aliens ) person, but according to the principles of quantum physics, he knows that such phenomena in creation are not possible without the desire of a concsious and intelligent mind. __________________________________________ Alien life is quite common in the universe. -- Stephen Hawking In the deepest sense the search for Extraterrestrial intelligence is a search for ourselves. -- Carl Sagan _________________________________________ Extinction is the rule, survival is the exception. -- Carl Sagan Epidemic Pandemic and Extension is part of our history. There is a lot of possibility of extinction of our earth within the next 60 days. The possibility of extinction is so strong that I never fully agreed to this statement in my entire life. __________________________________________ The Intelligent and Conscious ( Aliens ) Mind is responsible for this extinction, which is currently on Earth, putting full efforts to maintain the pandemic. But they are not getting the results like the previous pandemic in history. __________________________________________ Our core is consciousness. Therefore death has no meaning in creation. The history of our earth is thousands of millions of years old. We must create force to save it. Because all matter originates and Exists only by virtue of a force. -- max Planck ( Noblest ) _______________________

@karagi101 2 жыл бұрын

I think you have it backwards. Penrose was inspired by his first encounter of Escher. He talks about this in an interview on Lawrence Krauss’s Origins podcast.

@zagyex 2 жыл бұрын

@@karagi101 Maybe. I know he was inspired by Escher but I was talking about the "penrose triangle" specifically. "It was first created by the Swedish artist Oscar Reutersvärd in 1934. Independently from Reutersvärd, the triangle was devised and popularized in the 1950s by psychiatrist Lionel Penrose and his son, prominent Nobel Prize-winning mathematician Sir Roger Penrose, who described it as "impossibility in its purest form". It is featured prominently in the works of artist M. C. Escher, whose earlier depictions of impossible objects partly inspired it."

@reason2463 6 жыл бұрын

Penrose explains nothing here. Math is a language like English and it can be used to predict some of the behavior of physical reality. But math does not make the reality real any more than I do when I say “Let there be a pile of gold coins at the foot of my bed” makes that happen. It’s just a language and it doesn’t create reality. It is so easy for even well educated humans like Penrose to get the whole thing so bassakwards that it surprises me more than any other fact about humans.

@Oswlek 4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Even if there is some ontological nature of "math", it doesn't make the math we use any more real, it just means there's something akin to math with independent existence. It's the same mistake people make with consciousness. "Consciousness" is just a label we put on a collection of particular subjective experiences. Even if it weren't reducible to brain activity, that wouldn't make consciousness real, it would mean some other thing is required. People, stop trying to make the abstraction less abstract, you only make yourself look foolish.

@DonSolaris 7 жыл бұрын

In this video Max Tegmark explained it in more simpler yet better way: kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXu4qn94l6atb9k

@DrPeterLorenzo 2 жыл бұрын

Phenomenon. How can you confuse the singular with the plural...

@RickDelmonico 7 жыл бұрын

The universe behaves more like a song than an equation. A song contains mathematical properties but math does not resemble music.

@farshid748 5 жыл бұрын

sure it does! but I think I get what you mean... it is sad that people don't tend to feal mathematics! but I believe even though mathematics succeed in precision but eventually, it supersedes that to become a song in our heart.

@jean-pierredevent970 5 жыл бұрын

When you add up fifth intervals you can't return to the original note; it's like music and art tell us that Truth whatever it is, is not perfection. Perfection is boring, predictable almost like death.

@laughattack1204 6 ай бұрын

Blessings are there to understand the gift, they are not keys to the gift. I think for any of this to work the secrets will obviously be heavily guarded and never revealed. Yet, at the same time I don't consider blessings to be tricks either. They come from the real source no one is allowed to see, they are clues of something very real, not trying to hide it, but are gatekeeping it.

@DurgaDas96 2 жыл бұрын

But without mentality there would be no mathematics or materiality. Without a knowers there is no known. It seems axiomatic.

@Invictus131313 11 жыл бұрын

Makes sense. 1) We can see mathematics exists, even if it is not tangible. 2) We know we are conscious (cogito ergo sum). 3) We can see physical reality exists. Mathematics explains physical reality. Our brains are constructed by material reality. The consciousness which arises therein has access to mathematics. All three realities must exist independently of the other (or in their own right) in order for the other two to be coherently explainable.

@janegregory3306 8 жыл бұрын

Plato's cave comes to mind!

@donaldpenman4241 2 жыл бұрын

I ask if mathematics could exist without us. I think of it as there being things that have no existence but we can give them existence because it shares the existence of our lives.

@josephsiler1946 11 жыл бұрын

There once was a lady named Bright, Who traveled much faster than light, She started one day in a relative way, And returned on the previous night! What shape is the Universe in? The Universe is in Great Shape for an Old Universe!

@TheGrubbsey 11 жыл бұрын

He is missing it regarding mathematics existing. It hinges on the question, "Is mathematics discovered or invented." Had humans not created mathematical notation which is just a vocabulary for expressing relationships of the physical world, then mathematics would not exist. The laws, theorems, relationships, symmetries and so on would exist, but not the mathematics. That's just an invented language.

@altortugas5979 4 жыл бұрын

I take Pi as evidence that the universe doesn’t obey mathematics, rather maths approximate the universe. Pi is, after all, an irrational number. You will never get a correct answer for the circumference of a circle by multiplying its diameter by Pi, only increasingly precise estimates based on the number of decimal places to which pi has been calculated.

@continentalgin 2 жыл бұрын

Profs like proofs!

@Drigger95 8 жыл бұрын

Penrose's description of mathmatics is him describing God lmao

@123johnbrowne 11 жыл бұрын

what is fundamental? consciousness, matter/energy, or math? which one can exist without the others? thats the one that really exists.

@boonraypipatchol7295 10 ай бұрын

Quantum information, Quantum entanglement, Are, fundamental, underlying of Reality. Quantum Mind emerge, Quantum Body emerge, Mind and Body entanglement.. Consciousness emerge. Spacetime emerge, Mathematics Emerge, Holographic principal.

@krakelmees 9 жыл бұрын

Probably a unified understanding should overcome the apparent separation between observation (physical world), conceptualization (mathematics) and observer/conceptualizer (brain), as from this rise mysterious concepts like matter, universe and consciousness in the first place.

@mirimirmiri3612 4 жыл бұрын

Mathematics is the most important beautiful tool we have to survive. I got scared of it by a very ugly spirit in a human being. A mathematics teacher of all possible combinations. There is a problem with it. It's levels. The one everybody uses is the basic one, as basic as any instinct. Although we like to believe that is a very advanced one, on a conscious level. But it is not. We see, hear, touch, a or two stones, steps, roads, animal, types of danger, other humans, bread, endless of combinations, and we have to be right on our calculations, pretty quick, or no physical existence, or at sure, guaranteed, a very hard one. The other levels are when the calculations that we automatically have deducted, make no sense to what can be seen, touched, heard. A miracle as it is commonly known. Question. How do you do, or understand mathematics, without our common physical features of input and output? Many have known, know, but cannot explain until input and output remain at the current state. (Exclusion by evolution in numbers). Thus the control of true mathematics, and drug abuse of the basic one.

@Benjamin93swe1 9 жыл бұрын

I like this dude...

@HASHHASSIN 4 жыл бұрын

He doesn't like you dude!

@maxnullifidian 6 жыл бұрын

The way I look at things is that there is a physical world, an abstract world, and a conscious world that bridges the other two worlds. With consciousness we can see things in the abstract world and reify them in the physical world.

@CM-lw1yz 2 жыл бұрын

CTMU

@stephenwatts2649 Жыл бұрын

1 Corinthians 2:6-16 God’s Wisdom Revealed by the Spirit 6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing. 7 No, we declare God’s wisdom, a mystery that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. 8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. 9 However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived” - the things God has prepared for those who love him- 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”But we have the mind of Christ. Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne ... everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or fields for my sake will receive a hundred times as much and will inherit eternal life. (Matthew 19:28-29) “The soul consciousness can say … “I and my Father[Spirit] are one.” The deluded ego consciousness says, “I am the body; this is my family and name; these are my possessions.” ~ P. Yogananda “Soul is the essential radiance of God, the Divine Mind; and individualized souls partake of that same reality, though by their connection to body, they are confined to time and space. These souls, enamored of the material world, become disoriented, bound by their own attachment to matter; but by a deliberate reversal of its intention, an individualized soul is able to look within, examine itself, and ‘see’ its Origin, its higher Self, thereby regaining awareness of its true, eternal identity. …… And he is capable of directly experiencing that Divine Identity within himself.” ~ Swami Abhayananda “When in inner union he is beyond the world of the body, then the world of the Spirit is found where man possesses all - for he is one with the One.” ~ Svetasvatara Upanishad “I am nothing else but that supreme Self which is eternal, pure, liberated, one, unbroken Bliss, undivided Existence, and unlimited Knowledge.” ~ Shankaracharya “A drunken man does not notice whether he is wearing his shawl or whether it has fallen off, so the Realised Man is hardly aware of his body and it makes no difference to him whether it remains or drops off.” ~ Ramana Maharshi “Being is the eternal, ever-present One Life beyond the myriad forms of life that are subject to birth and death. However, Being is not only beyond but also deep within every form as its innermost invisible and indestructible essence. This means that is accessible to you now as your own deepest self, your true nature. But don't seek to grasp it with your mind. Don't try to understand it. You can know it only when the mind is still.” ~ Eckhart Tolle “Insofar as the genuine mystic is totally emptied of “self” and becomes a pure instrument of God, he or she may honestly and truly declare “I am awake,” as did the Buddha, or “I and the Father are One” as did Jesus, where the “I” refers not to the human instrument, but to God.” ~ Thomas J. McFarlane “Thou art He, without one of these limitations.” ~ Ibn Arabi “Is this living Splendor, this beaming Sun of Life, beyond the slightest touch of earthly sorrow, suffering or pain, my real Self? O wonder of wonders, am I this immortal Being, happy beyond measure.” ~ Gopi Krishna “Before the world was, you were, and when the world is no longer, you remain” ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj “You yourself are God, the Supreme Reality.” ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj “We are not only permeated by God’s Consciousness, we are made of His essence; we are projections of His light. And our consciousness is essentially identical with the Consciousness of God.” ~ Swami Abhayananda “A visiting Irish journalist asked her, “Am I right to believe that you are God?” to which Sri Ma replied, “There is nothing save He alone; everyone and everything is a form of God. In your person also He has come.” ~ Anandamoyi Ma “Right knowledge, destroying ignorance, dissolves the ego-sense consciousness of oneness with the immortal Atman, seated in your heart, and pervading all life and form in the universe.” ~ Papa Ramdas “Forget not that you are the immortal and blissful Spirit.” ~ Papa Ramdas “Consider not that you are merely a perishable and changing being; you are the absolute, immortal, changeless, omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient Truth.”~ Papa Ramdas “Throw off the mask that enshrouds your real Divine nature and reveal yourself in all your magnificence.” ~ Papa Ramdas “Since most of us exist on a lower level of consciousness, we do not experience ourselves as the divine Self; instead, we experience ourselves as individual souls with distinctly unique attributes, and we deal with others as individuals with unique attributes - though in fact, there is only the one Divinity living and acting in the world as individual souls.” ~ Swami Abhayananda “At the highest, or deepest, spiritual level, there are no souls; there is only the divine Self ... it is realized by enlightened sages as the highest truth, the sole source and origin of all the manifest planes of existence, and everyone’s ultimate identity.” ~ Swami Abhayananda Quotations on Comparison of ego-consciousness and god-consciousness “You see yourself in the world, while I see the world in myself. To you, you get born and die, while to me the world appears and disappears.” ~ Nisargadatta Maharaj “Mind is consciousness which has put on limitations. You are originally unlimited and perfect. Later you take on limitations and become the mind.” ~ Ramana Maharshi

@TheGrubbsey 11 жыл бұрын

The more interesting question is, "Why to things exist?"

@honeys.kapoor2838 3 жыл бұрын

@stephenwatts2649 Жыл бұрын

HOW CONSCIOUNESS CREATES REALITY? If God is Reality And if Reality Is Consciousness Then God Is Consciousness I Think therefore I Am God Consciousness The whole universe is one reality which is pure consciousness. Pure consciousness is absolute existence. God makes things through the direct act of becoming the things which He creates. In the beginning the One differentiated into the many. The One entered into the many and became the Self of each. The being within everything is the One. When you merge with this nonlocal Self, you become one with the Self of all that exists. The One is the Higher Self of all. You are the One. The God Spirit In Me Is The Same God Spirit In You, And The Spirit Of All Beings. Enlightenment Is The realization That You Are All Part Of The Universal Spirit Of All That Exists, Which Is GOD. Each of us is the universal spirit projecting a particular point of view. My Self is inseparable from all that exists, just as your self is inseparable from all that exists. You are an aspect of Infinite Intelligence, and Infinite Intelligence is the source of all that exists. Therefore you are the source of all that exists and you create your own experience. Everything is possible because everything exists within you. The same unbounded potential of the Infinite Spirit also resides in each and every one of us. Everything in the universe is consciousness. Space and time in all planes of reality are only projections within universal consciousness. There really is no here or there for everything is at one place where Mind is. Mind does not move at all. Mind simply is (Not to be confused with the brain). Mind is everywhere yet nowhere. Mind is nowhere but Here, Now. We are all existing together as a singularity in one place and time. Everything is one, Here and Now. Your soul is the reflection of all souls. You are the Other. Without the other, you would not exist. You are defined by your relationships with others. You would need to describe the whole universe in order to define a single person. Therefore every single person is the whole universe. Your soul is both personal and universal at the same time. Everyone is a reflection of yourself. You are in a hall of mirrors where every reflection of yourself appears different. Others you admire reflect the qualities you most cherish in yourself. Others you detest reflect the qualities you most deny in yourself. Each person you see is a different version of you. The outer world is a mirror of yourself at any place and time. If you want to know the state of your personal consciousness, just look around and see what is happening to you. If you want to know the state of the collective consciousness, just look around at what is happening in the world. Your personal reality is synchronistically orchestrated by your sense of Self at all times. If a critical mass of people expressed their higher selves, they would cause a transformation in collective consciousness and the world reality. Every time a person rises in personal consciousness, he moves the state of the world towards a higher one than before. TRANSCENDENT WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can experience all possibilities. Your awareness is open. You are connected to the source. Your consciousness is merged with the mind of God. SUBTLE WORLD: You are comfortable here when you can hold on to your vision. You trust yourself to follow where the mind goes. You aren't bound up in resistance, objections, skepticism, and rigid beliefs. Inspiration occurs as a normal part of your existence. MATERIAL WORLD: You are comfortable with your personal reality. You take responsibility for it. You read the world as a reflection of who you are and what is happening "in here." As the reflection shifts and changes, you track the changes occurring inside yourself. If a white man was created by God, And if a black man was created by God, Black and white men are equal before God. If God is reality, And if reality is consciousness, Then God is consciousness The Need to Create, Discover, and Explore. God becomes a creative source. He gave us our birthright of curiosity. He remains unknowable, but he unfolds one secret after another in creation. At the far edge of the universe, the unknown is a challenge and a source of wonder. God wants us not to worship but to evolve. Our role is to discover and explore. Nature exists to provide endless mysteries that challenge our intelligence - there is always more to discover. This is your God if you live to explore and be creative, if you feel happiest confronting the unknown, if you have total confidence that nature can be unraveled, including human nature, as long as we keep questioning and never settle for fixed, preordained truth. God becomes pure wonder. After reason has reached the limits of understanding, the mystery remains. Sages, saints, and the divinely inspired have penetrated it. They have felt a divine presence that transcends everyday life. Materialism is an illusion. Creation was fashioned in two layers, the visible and the invisible. Miracles become real when everything is a miracle. To reach God, one must accept the reality of invisible things. Nature is a mask for the divine. This is your God if you are a spiritual seeker. You want to know what lies behind the mask of materialism, to find the source of healing, to experience peace, and to be in direct contact with a divine presence. Unity, the State Beyond All Needs. God becomes One. There is complete fulfillment because you have reached the goal of seeking. You experience the divine everywhere. The last hint of separation has vanished. You have no need to divide saint from sinner, because God imbues everything. In this state, you don't know the truth; you become it. The universe and every event in it are expressions of a single underlying Being, which is pure awareness, pure intelligence, and pure creativity. Nature is the outward form that consciousness takes as it unfolds in time and space. This is your God if you feel totally connected to your soul and your source. Your consciousness has expanded to embrace a cosmic perspective. You see everything happening in the mind of God. The ecstasy of great mystics, who seem especially gifted or chosen, now becomes available to you, because you have fully matured spiritually. The God that brings the scheme to an end, God as One, is different from the others. He isn't a projection. He signifies a state of total certainty and wonder, and if you reach that state, you are no longer projecting. Every need has been fulfilled; the path has ended with reality itself.

@stephenwatts2649 Жыл бұрын

Conversation With God - Book 2 The Feeling of Love is experiencing God. It is the only. The all. The feeling of love is your experience of God. In Highest Truth, Love is all there is, all there was, and all there ever will be. When you move into the absolute you move into love. The realm of the relative (Physical world) was created in order that I might experience My Self. This has already been explained to you. This does not make the realm of the relative real. It is a created 'reality' you and I have devised and continue to devise - in order that we may know ourselves experientially. Yet the Creation can seem very real. Its purpose is to seem so real, we accept it as truly existing. In this way, God has contrived to create "something else" other than Itself (though in strictest terms this is impossible, since God is - I AM - All That Is). In creating "something else" --namely, the realm of the relative - I have produced an environment in which you may choose to be God, rather than simply be told that you are God; in which you may experience Godhead as an act of creation, rather than a conceptualization; in which the little candle in the sun - the littlest soul - can know itself as the light. Fear is the other end of Love. It is the primal polarity. In creating the realm of the relative, I first created the opposite of My Self. Now, in the realm in which you live on the physical plane, there are only two places of being: Fear and Love. Thoughts ROOTED in fear will produce one kind of manifestation on the physical plane. Thoughts ROOTED in Love will produce another The Masters who have walked the planet are those who have discovered the Secret of the relative world - and refused to acknowledge its reality. In short, Masters are those who have chosen only Love. In every instance. In every moment. In every circumstances. Even as they were being killed, they loved their murderers. Even as they were being persecuted, they loved their oppressors. This is very difficult for you to understand, much less emulate. Nevertheless, it is what every Master has ever done. It doesn't matter what the philosophy, it doesn't matter what the tradition, it doesn't matter what the religion - it is what every Master has done. Within the realm of sublime relationships nothing which exists has an opposite. All is One, and everything progresses from one to the other in a never-ending circle. Of course, there is no way for you to not be who and what you are - you simply are that (pure, creative spirit), have been always, and always will be. So, you did the next best thing. You caused yourself to forget Who You Really Are. Upon entering the physical universe, you relinquished your remembrance of yourself. This allows you to choose to be Who You Are, rather than simply wake up in the castle, so to speak. It is in the act of choosing to be, rather than simply being told that you are, a part of God that you experience yourself as being at total choice, which is what, by definition, God is. Yet how can you have a choice about something over which there is no choice? You cannot not be My offspring no matter how hard you try - but you can forget. You are, have always been, and will always be, a divine part of the divine whole, a member of the body. If I revealed myself as God Almighty, king of Heaven and Earth, and moved mountains to prove it, there are those who would say, "It must have been Satan." And such is as it should be. For God does not reveal Godself to Godself from or through outward observation, but through inward experience. And when inward experience has revealed Godself, outward observation is not necessary. And if outward observation is necessary, inward experience is not possible. If, then, revelation is requested, it cannot be had, for the act of asking is a statement that it is not there; that nothing of God is now being revealed. Such a statement produces the experience. For your thought about something is creative, and your word is productive, and your thought and your word together are magnificently effective in giving birth to your reality. Therefore shall you experience that God is not now revealed, for if God were, you would not ask God to be.

@stephenwatts2649 Жыл бұрын

Imagination - Process of Pure Creation The process of creation starts with thought - an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought. This is true of the universe as well. Thought is the first level of creation. Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact. Words are the second level of creation. Next comes action. Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything. The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced. Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you. I am? It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that. All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you. The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it. To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you. My God, this is unbelievable. Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed. Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"! One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing. Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now. This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this. When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination. And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways. Please? You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality. You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process. This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process. This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created. I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life. Okay. Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there." Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all. This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe. Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up? Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same. They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you. I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy) We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter. Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love. This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth. There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.

@stephenwatts2649 Жыл бұрын

You are the eyes through which Creation sees itself. When you wake up from a dream, you realize that everything in the dream was you. You were creating it. It's no different in what we call "real life". Each and every person is you. The one consciousness looking through every eye, under every rock, within every particle. ~ Excerpt from the documentary "Inner Worlds, Outer Worlds", by Daniel Schmidt I am the other you. We Are All One. #SacredGeometry #UniversalGeometry #LanguageOfLight #Mathematics #UniversalMathematics #Math #Philosophy #Art #Geometry #Symmetry #Fractals #Cycles #Universe #Harmony #Vibration #Frequency #Energy #Hermeticism #Life #Manifestation #Alchemy #SpiritualScience #UnifiedScience #Consciousness #Education #Knowledge

@stephenwatts2649 Жыл бұрын

The Eternal Soul - The Spirit of God I mean, no soul has regrets that the current physical form is changing; is about to "die"? The body never "dies," but merely changes form with the soul. Yet I understand your meaning, so for now I use the vocabulary you have established. If you have a clear understanding of what you wish to create with regard to what you have chosen to call the afterlife, or if you have a clear set of beliefs that support an after-death experience of reuniting with God, then, no, the soul never, ever has regrets over what you call death. Death in that instance is a glorious moment; a wonderful experience. Now the soul can return to it's natural form; it's normal state. There is an incredible lightness; a sense of total freedom; a limitlessness. And an awareness of Oneness that is at once blissful and sublime. It is not possible for the soul to regret such a shift. You're saying, then, that death is a happy experience? For the soul that wishes it to be, yes, always. Well, if the soul wants out of the body so bad, why doesn't it just leave it? Why is it hanging around? I did not say the soul "wants out of the body," I said the soul is joyful when it is out. Those are two different things. You can be happy doing one thing, and happy then doing another. The fact that you are joyful doing the second does not mean you were unhappy doing the first. The soul is not unhappy being in the body. Quite to the contrary, the soul is pleased to be you in your present form. That does not preclude the possibility that the soul might be equally pleased to be disconnected from it. Why is there such a delay between thought and creation before we die, and no delay at all after we die? Because you are working within the illusion of time. There is no delay between thought and creation away from the body, because you are also away from the parameter of time. In other words, as You have said so often, time does not exist. Not as you understand it. The phenomenon of "time" is really a function of perspective. Why does it exist while we are in the body? You have caused it to be moving into, by assuming, your present perspective. You use this perspective as a tool with which you can explore and examine your experiences much more fully, by separating them into individual pieces, rather than a single occurrence. Life is a single occurrence, an event in the cosmos that is happening right now. All of it is happening. Everywhere. There is no "time" but now. There is no "place" but here. Here and now is All There Is. Yet you choose to experience the magnificence of here and now in its every detail, and to experience your Divine Self as the here and now Creator of that reality. There were only two ways - two fields of experience - in which you could do that. Time and space. So magnificent was this thought that you literally exploded with delight! In that explosion of delight was created space between the parts of you, and the time it took to move from one part of yourself to another. In this way you literally tore your Self apart to look at the pieces of you. You might say that you were so happy you "fell to pieces." You been picking up the pieces ever since. That's all my life is! I'm just putting together the pieces, trying to see if they make any sense. And it is through the device called time that you have managed to separate the pieces, to divide the indivisible, thus to see it and experience it more fully, as you are creating it. Even as you look at a solid object through a microscope, seeing that it is not solid at all, but actually a conglomeration of a million different effects - different things all happening at once and thus creating the larger effect - so, too, do you use time as the microscope of your soul. Consider the Parable of the Rock. Once there was a Rock, filled with countless atoms, protons, neutrons and subatomic particles of matter. These particles were racing around continually, in a pattern, each particle going from "here" to "there," and taking "time" to do so, yet going so fast that the Rock itself seemed to move not at all. It just was. There it lay, drinking in the sun, soaking up the rain, and moving not at all. "What is this, inside of me, that is moving?" the Rock asked. "It is You," said a Voice from Afar. "Me?" replied the Rock. "Why, that is impossible. I am not moving at all. Anyone can see that." "Yes, from a distance," the Voice agreed. "From way over here you look as if you are solid, still, not moving. But when I come closer - when I look very closely at what is actually happening - I see that everything that comprises What You Are is moving. It is moving at incredible speed through time and space in a particular pattern which creates You as the thing called 'Rock.' "And so, you are like magic! You are moving and not moving at the same time." "But," asked the Rock, "which, then, is the illusion? The Oneness, the stillness, of the Rock, or the separateness and the movement of its parts?" To which the Voice replied, "Which, then, is the illusion? The Oneness, the stillness, of God? Or the separateness and movement of its parts?" And I tell you this: Upon this Rock, I will build My church. For this is the Rock of Ages. This is the eternal truth that leaves no stone unturned. I have explained it all for you here, in this little story. This is The Cosmology. Life is a series of minute, incredibly rapid movements. These movements do not affect at all the immobility and the Beingness of Everything That Is. Yet, just as with the atoms of the rock, it is the movement which is creating the stillness, right before your eyes. From a distance, there is no separateness. There cannot be, for All That Is is All There Is, and there is nothing else. I am the Unmovrd Mover. From the limited perspective with which you view All That Is, you see yourself as separate and apart, not one immovable being, but many, many beings, constantly in motion. Both observations are accurate. Both realities are "real." And when I "die," I don't die at all, but simply shift into awareness of the macrocosm - where there is no "time" or "space," now and then, before and after. Precisely. You've got it.

@stephenwatts2649 Жыл бұрын

Did you know that there is no inherent illumination or luminosity in photons? “Light,” as such, cannot be found there. Photons are, perhaps, ‘packets’ of energy which have the properties of both spread-out waves and localized particles. Photons only take on the appearance of being luminous as they arise within consciousness, in our mind’s eye. It may be that photons are spread-out energy potentials that fill the immensity of space, and only take on the appearance of being a localized discrete particle of “light” when we become aware of them in consciousness, in this actualized awareness we call mind. Thus, you are the light of the kosmos. This “light” is only arising in us. The world outside of a mind is perfectly ‘dark,’ or empty, unactualized in any way. Of course, what else could it be? What would perceive it as illuminated, or as any “thing”? All of our thoughts are the activity of consciousness, modulations of that consciousness, incarnations within that pure consciousness, rays shining from inside that consciousness. We are agents of that consciousness, emerging from within that consciousness. All there is to experience is the knowing of it, and that knowing is God’s own Self in us, living in us, the source of our life, the energy of consciousness itself. We could say that God lives in us, since consciousness seems to have become localized in this particular body-mind. Or we could say that we live in God, since all that we perceive arises in that consciousness, including our body-mind. Thus, Jesus was right to say, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:10-11, 20). Both are true, and they are true of us as well. We are arising within God, and God is arising within us as well. Sometimes this is called “mutual indwelling,” the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father, also called perichoresis or co-inherence in Christian terminology. God is the field of consciousness in which all knowing occurs, in which all thoughts and perceptions and feelings and sensations arise, like waves in the ocean. Our body-mind and its thoughts are like localizations within that consciousness, temporary manifestations of that Ultimate Reality, expressions of that consciousness, that being, that One. God becomes veiled and hidden from our awareness when the thoughts that arise in and from consciousness believe they are something separate and discrete from the consciousness in which they are arising. The thoughts form a separate entity, a dualistic subjective ego, a separate self identity, an independent being, an “Adam/Eve,” which thinks it is apart from infinite nondual divine consciousness and Ultimate Reality. This seems to be the “Fall,” the beginning of duality and separateness and alienation from God’s Presence. But how could thoughts be separate from the consciousness in which they have arisen? They can’t, but that is exactly what our thoughts and our self-identification with them think they are. It is a kind of psychological illusion. The thoughts take on their own separate identity apart from pure nondual consciousness, forming a self, a person, an entity, seemingly cut off from its own source and essence. Once we look at it like this, it seems impossible, and that is because it is. Our ‘self’ is never actually separate from the source in which it arises, thoughts are never separate from the consciousness in which they emerge, the wave is not separate from the ocean. The thoughts that make up our ‘self’ are just finite actualizations or relative localizations of the infinite potential of absolute consciousness, or Divine Being, or Ultimate Reality. In Christian symbolism we call this the incarnation of God. In Buddhism it is the Dharmakaya that incarnates as the Nirmanakaya Buddha. In Hinduism it is Brahman that manifests itself as each Atman. God becomes incarnate in reality, in the flesh, embodied, in us and all things. There is no time, no space, nowhere we can go, nowhere we can be, that will be outside of this Presence of God, outside of this consciousness, beyond the borders of God, or the Ultimate Reality. God is always present, and is Presence itself, awareness itself, consciousness itself, the “spirit of life” within us, from which we derive all being, all knowing, all our substance, every thought, every sensation. It all arises in God. This is perhaps why, in order to pierce the veil and know God directly, contemplative practices such as meditation help train us to transcend thought, to go back to the source of thought itself, beyond all thoughts of self, to recognize that from which it all arises, this pure open vastness of nondual unitive at-one consciousness. Do you see why we cannot “think” God? Nothing that arises in consciousness as a thought will be that consciousness in which it is arising. No relative finite manifestation in consciousness can be the absolute pure infinite consciousness, even though every manifestation or relativization or actualization of that consciousness is made up of nothing other than that consciousness. God is Present even while we are trying to comprehend God, even in the midst of that very comprehension. God is what makes that attempt at comprehension even possible. God is the very field in which we are trying to know God. When we let go of the trying, the conceptualization, surrendering the thoughts that are trying to know themselves, and rest in the pure still silent open awareness of being, that is when the realization of God may dawn on us, as us.

@stellarwind1946 Жыл бұрын

We really don’t have a clue about what math really is when even Penrose is baffled by it.

@markberman6708 Жыл бұрын

Isn't that great, it should humble scientists and give them even more drive, plus open them up to the possibility that they might be missing half the equation. Isn't it fascinating how so many of the greatest minds like Penrose, Dyson, etc... are so humble and can be honest about where we're really at in terms of discovery. Something, I think, that should be pondered a lot. Did the Royal Society, the greatest minds available at the time, once declare that man would never "fly" and what did we think about breaking the sound barrier... how many aircraft now mock the sound barrier?

@markberman6708 Жыл бұрын

Trialist, quadraphonics, five- ophonics, who knows, heh. At our most base we are all just Stardust and Energy formed by forces we are just beginning to understand. Every single thing on our rock comes from, and is a product of these forces. Some forces we label 'fundamental', some we still refuse to really acknowledge, yet what do we really know? Did not once all the greatest minds at the 'Royal Society' once declare 'man shall never achieve flight"? What did we once think about the 'Sound Barrier'?? Yet modern jets routinely mock said sound barrier now. Hmmm. We are 'of' this Earth, we are 'of' the Animal Kingdom, yet have, partially anyway, risen above it. What does that imply, what responsibilities might such a situation impart upon us? Are we meant to be shepherds of ourselves, of our common good, or are we 'rats in a barrel'? What could such a question mean for the future of our human race and our world that currently, apparently, is currently under siege by a few amongst the many who seemingly believe they know what's best and are busy trying to construct a world that represents their view? Is Animal Farm as relevant as Enlightened thought and writing or are we just a reflection of Camus and Metamorphosis? How is our gold spent? How do we put an end to ridiculous research that is in every budget? How do we free the Scientific Community and other dedicated open minded communities from, as much as possible, the overbearing and suffocating affects of politics? How do we instill the moral to stop already illegal research that leads to Covid and worse? How do we slow AI until we are more responsible? So much work to be done. Shackleton-.perseverance, determination, courage, a refusal to quit against all odds? Hmmmm. Great short, thanks for posting it.

@sleethmitchell Жыл бұрын

rock, paper, scissors.

@GUPTAYOGENDRA 7 жыл бұрын

Ask three questions from yourself after waking from a dream. 1. The observer of my dream was conscious or unconscious? 2. The observer of my dream was in my dream or in the universe? 3. Is the observer of my dream still conscious? If so then where? Answers of these questions will enable us to understand that Consciousness alone exists.

@honeys.kapoor2838 3 жыл бұрын

@bigfletch8 11 жыл бұрын

A great example of intellectual dilemma comments: eg "beginning of time" and "timelessness"; "the mind could not have constructed the universe because there was no physical reality at the beginning of time". Such dilemmas come from the relative mind trying to figure out non duality. Only contradiction appears, even for wonderful intellects like Sir Roger. Clear validation for those in the process of transcending the world of duality. Consciousness is infinite. Material reality ebbs and flows.

@timmbrockmann959 5 жыл бұрын

I think that reality, and especially duality, which seems to be a fundamental principle of reality, is paradox. Even Lao-tse describes this in his Tao-Te-King. The principle of nothingness is paradox: nothingness exists, but in it´s existence it doesn´t exist. It´s like the other side of the medal, which also can not have just one side. Both actually depend on each other, and also exist "forever", because something can not emerge from nothing, it has to be simultaneously.

@adamsawyer1763 5 ай бұрын

This is one hypothesis that addresses all 3 mysteries: Fundamentally the universe is composed of many independent, heterogeneous (varying number of internal states, information processing rates and connective abilities) but connected conscious entities. Connections between them are initially random or individually caused but eventually come to be consciously modified by consensus among connected entities. Each entity experiences different connection states as different qualia. Qualia can vary greatly between entities and no direct communication of one's qualia are possible to another entity. Therefore some common language is required if they are to maintain or modify their mutual connections and the only substrate for that language are the connections themselves. Counts of qualia are available as a common language even if each entity learns to identify the same connection pattern in different ways. Maths therefore emerges as the means to agree mutual connections when the only view of those connections available is the first person via unique qualia. So the physhcal laws naturally evolve via evolution of mathematics as a shared language and so when we come to try to decode the laws of physics from our high level but nonetheless 1st person perspective on the universe we use various forms of the same language we and other fundamental entities use to generate the universe in the first place. Maths is 'unreasonsbly effective' because it is the underlying fundamental method of organisation. Consciousness is universal and fundamental but its exact nature from the first person depends on the exact connections each entity is involved with. Hence our particular conscious experience is so closely tied to the underlying fundamental connection from which our brain emerges. I.e. our consciousness doesn't emerge from what we can perceive from our 1st person view of the brain as we see it from outside. Rather that brain structure and function emerges from the underlying conscious decisions of a multitude of fundamental entities of which we are only one such entity with one specific connection pattern commensurate with our particular intetnal capabilities. The physical universe apparently ruled by deterministic laws and apparently fundamental is actually ruled by evolving but mutually agreed language conventions and emerges from the application of that language to the changing connections between fundamental entities. Im not saying this is correct, it's just an idea. I have no special knowledge of the inmer workings of the universe as a whole 😂

@BIngeilski 6 жыл бұрын

It is stupid to believe that mathematics exist objectively. In fact, so far there‘s no process in the universe which can be described with mathematics absolutely and to the absolute precise degree (I mean 100% correct). If I‘m wrong, I‘m open for the counterarguments.

@X11X-M 7 ай бұрын

Greetings as Mathematics produces Language to conceive/learn /understand they live life in D so as D's are in every M's can be understood.

@rickhale4348 4 жыл бұрын

Pinch yourself. Feel that? You exist. Hypotheticals board on the ridiculous.

@LM-bn1wt 3 ай бұрын

The good part about Roger is that you ask him one question and he unfolds that to fantastic explanations that unfolds more things to infinity!

@jamesruscheinski8602 8 ай бұрын

time and energy quantum reality with mental world beneath physical planck space?

@OzieCargile 4 жыл бұрын

The answers to these questions are explained in the Laws of Consciousness getbook.at/consciousness

@SemiPerfectDark 8 ай бұрын

Wouldn't it be correct to say that mathematics is a description of certain things? I think there tends to be this over complication in our perception of mathematics. It's not a separate thing it is the thing that it's describing. Sorry if I'm being not completely clear.

@ailblentyn 4 жыл бұрын

I can't help hearing an echo of Lacan's Real (physical), Symbolic (mathematical) and Imaginary (mental). Are Penrose's three worlds and Lacan's three orders both reflexes of some more basic ideological distinction?

@winrobee 10 жыл бұрын

I think that the explanation here is that there is a conserved quantity based on the principle that we consider only a part of the total realm of Nature, and that that part has been "educated" by the selection means provided by the principles that can be afforded the segment involved in our observation into enacting the processes of consciousness. Like the person seeing by use of his eyes to take in a landscape which is his main awareness while most of his substance contributes more indirectly to the act of seeing, the appreciation by minds of the universe, including appreciation of this sentance, is only the awareness inherent in the part of the universe that constitutes the mind's experience. The rest of the entire universe is participating indirectly in experience, for instance stochastic support by being the background for the anthropomorphic principle. The reason this is logical to believe is that there is the precedent of the evolutionary process on Earth, in which evolution sorted behavior of formerly inanimate matter, by sending some matter down into the inanimate while sending the other matter/behavior into a state enhanced by trial, untill there was the onset of aware matter. The phenominon of evolution is an example of the natural shaping processes which without any obvious intervention produced an apparent inequity that there is both the highly invested (with having a history of being luckier than the other), aware part of the universe, and the unaware background that is the rest of the universe, including all of the mathematical structures. Like the superspace of particles out of which is selected by physical evolution only the dimensions which are involved within particles in living things, The entirety of (let us call this) Nature is participating in awareness of this sentence.

@honeys.kapoor2838 3 жыл бұрын

@AB-et6nj 3 жыл бұрын

Empirical reality doesn't need our math or our minds to exist. Math and our minds are just how we understand the world, and math only explains a sliver of things we know

@g0ldbuG 11 жыл бұрын

Logic does have its limits, I will grant that. There are a panoply of paradoxes in pure and applied logic. A canonical case in point of the latter being Gödel's first incompleteness theorem. But it is hard to deny the rational or Leibnizian character of existence.

@michelegodwin9390 2 жыл бұрын

I believe you can explain everything with anything as long as it's plausible I could tell you a donkey was a goat and if I explain to you why it was a goat and you found it plausible then you would agree and therefore a donkey would become a goat but that doesn't mean that is true we are told everyday things that are not true but we believe them if it's pounded in us enough . I don't know how everything came into existence all I know is that we are here and as something caused us to be here now whether that's an illusion or not I don't know I don't know if we are computer program I don't know if they did T made us I don't know anyting and I don't think we ever will until whatever caused us to be here shows itself and if it doesn't exist anymore well there you go

@NondescriptMammal Жыл бұрын

This only proves that even with the smartest people, the question of "what really exists?" always devolves into a discussion that revolves around semantics, that has no real purpose or importance at all.

@johnfaul2174 Ай бұрын

Uniform posabilitys and life perfect maths.

@redhawk4248 8 жыл бұрын

Roger Penrose is an excellent philosopher, independent from his other gifts in other fields. Maybe he is also good at slam dunking, making his native geniuses a trifecta.

@thesprawl2361 9 жыл бұрын

Brilliant guy, extremely likeable, has contributed a great deal to maths and theoretical physics, but it seems that he's beginning to curdle. This is ten minutes of woolly, intentionally illogical(he says so himself) meta-woo. It proposes a convoluted, ad hoc, epistemically empty trio of fundamentally different, jarring explanations, where most others propose a coherent, parsimonious explanation that unifies, in a relatively tidy fashion, all three of the phenomena he speaks of. If he wasn't Roger Penrose these metaphysical ideas would have been subject to even more criticism than they have. The same goes for his ideas on QM being fundamental in generating consciousness(AFAICR Max Tegmark deconstructed those speculations pretty swiftly). Brilliant guy, but further ammo against the idea that personal authority is a valid reason for taking an idea seriously.

@astralacuity 9 жыл бұрын

+The Sprawl You wrote this comment a month ago and Tegmark's critique of Orch-OR has been nullified for a little over two years now on the basis of experimental data. In other words, I don't mean to sound insulting, but you should probably hit the peer reviewed journals (assuming that's where you derive your opinions and, hopefully not Wikipedia) in order to get up-to-date. Tegmark's critique of Orch-OR was, and he had a very important point, that the brain is too warm and wet for the quantum state of a system to be preserved against decoherence factors. Penrose/Hameroff's counter to this was the proposition that the quantum state of delocalized electrons within tubulin proteins are preserved by virtue of the benzene rings therein being preserved within hydrophobic pockets, as well as other potential factors regarding lateral error-correcting mechanisms (such as those proposed in hypothetical quantum computers). Now, not only has Anirban Bandyopadhyay et al shown that microtubles give off warm temperature quantum vibrations, and it has also been shown (I'm assuming since you last checked in the 90's) that quantum coherence is required for our sense of smell, plant photosynthesis, and bird navigation. Jump off the 'woo' train and consider that, since our macrocosmic universe seems to be the emergent precipitation of quantum effects, that every time a theory relates these effects to physical systems, it isn't immediately invalidated because it reminds you of bullshit like quantum mysticism (which I agree, is bullshit).

@WyreForestBiker 8 жыл бұрын

+James Hansen Yeah .. what he said ...

@jaber4life 8 жыл бұрын

+James Hansen you're essentially saying that what science proposes is no more believable than magic. Which it should be. It's a symbol, not reality itself.

@AjitisnotamanHeislongdeadBir 3 жыл бұрын

What exists is a huge womb inside which floats water inside which is hidden fire ie. Energy.

@Dyslexic-Artist-Theory-on-Time 7 жыл бұрын

Could human mathematics be based on the dynamic geometry of the Universe?

@karagi101 2 жыл бұрын

The mental and the physical are one in the same. All mentality is rooted in the physical brain.

@jamesruscheinski8602 8 ай бұрын

might mathematics originate from and relate to infinite and infinitesimal time?

@TheGrubbsey 11 жыл бұрын

Pure mathematics is composed of relationships within the language called "mathematics" much like discovered relationships in language systems.

@constructivecritique5191 3 жыл бұрын

Leave it to mathematicians to create their own reality separate from their minds.

@klank67 3 жыл бұрын

Great discussions on this channel. I'll be back for more!

@danielfahrenheit4139 8 жыл бұрын

Math is just applying symbolism to physical processes. RED isn't the essence or inherent of the color, but its mathematical relationship to its frequency, wavelength, ect.. are. The Math would still have to be real or what else would it be describing? It seems like a no brainer, but this shit is too mind boggling to me.

@jaber4life 8 жыл бұрын

Frequency and wavelength are words. Mathematics is mathematics? No, life is more than simple mathematics.

@jamesruscheinski8602 8 ай бұрын

if God is really greatest, then everything has a basis in reality?

@lucasbarreira2957 2 жыл бұрын

240p we meet again ... It's been very long

@8ManFan Жыл бұрын

So, computer simulation, then...

@LogosTheos 10 жыл бұрын

Good scientist, but his books are horrible.

@freddystaelens 5 жыл бұрын

I would like to see a interview with an Advaitic teacher, not just the Western way of thought,although I am in ow by the way things don’t get explained by the Western point of view.

@A2Techofficial 4 жыл бұрын

U mean Advait Vedanta view of Reality?

@ramalama108 4 жыл бұрын

Hi Freddy. You might find this interview interesting - kzbin.info/www/bejne/hYfKmqeXhKlrnNE

@mazmitrenko7558 5 жыл бұрын

What!!!.........mathematics doesn't "control the universe"..........surely, its just an incredibly precise way of describing the universe.

@albertjackson9236 4 жыл бұрын

The collection plate really exist for all religions.

@simonsjostrom39 8 жыл бұрын

If we are the conscious then we have no place to say it is everything or insignificant. In truth it is all we have.

@al54321x 6 жыл бұрын

would prime numbers exist outside our universe or in other universes? do they have to match reality of universe where they are observed or not? can we have a math system where 1+1 = 3 and match rules of physic of other universes?

@laughattack1204 6 ай бұрын

Yes, you can have a separate universe where the mathematical principles of that universe are different than the one you are currently in. Yes you can have it set different and achieve the same outputs. Don't ask me how to do it though, inventing a new math sounds tedious as f*ck. Probably at least 10 trillion tests before you can get it off the ground and running, not to mention it would be impossible to conceptualize within the confines of this universe. We can't change math principles when the universe is operating off of them. If you wanted to make an equation to show this relationship you probably could, but you just can't actually do it. Your gonna have to use imaginary numbers to do it equation form anyways. At that point it just becomes an unprovable paradox of thought masturbation. But who am I to say that greater discoveries won't be made one day. I'm not so sure the mathematical principles of this universe are constant anyways and we can't prove what enters and exits your mind when you fall asleep. It could be changing everyday for all I know, actually seems more believable when you say it out loud than what is traditionally taught. I'm not so sure schrodingers cat is just a thought experiment, and that it doesn't have more tangible implications to how our world functions. It sure feels like when I shut my door, the energy outside is gone, completely shut off. I try not to think about the last one, it's making me increasingly claustrophobic. I'm afraid to get in elevators now or somehow get accidentally locked in a mudroom. I think it only makes sense. In a video game when you walk in a room the rest of the map doesn't continue generating itself. It's just you and the room is all that exists. I guess that is the main theory now is that things generate whenever we look at them, but what if you got stuck?

@al54321x 6 ай бұрын

@@laughattack1204 sometimes i think that it is easier a universe where only exist my mind and a IA universe generator. instead of an infinite galaxies. other people are just generated by IA? maybe

@danielfahrenheit4139 8 жыл бұрын

language is no different than mathematics! The world apparently isn't made of grammar or language.

@jaber4life 8 жыл бұрын

No it is not. But your ideas are.

@longcastle4863 Жыл бұрын

How much of a temptress mathematics must be, that those who are good at it are often seduced by it into going full blown Platonic.

@DipayanPyne94 Жыл бұрын

Yup. Math certainly seems Platonic. Science is Aristotelean though, coz of Causality, no matter how we define it ...

@OnCharmLee 7 жыл бұрын

[I more thoroughly believe in the existence of truth and God than my flesh] There is certainly a world of truth that is always right and permanently present at the source, unlike the temporary and secondary physical world, which is finite, incomplete, relative, and always changing. I call this world of truth the world of God. The god I believe is never any evil spirits, a god of a particular religion, or a god established by myself. I believe in the existence of the truth, which always in the right state in any case beyond the physical world. I call this truth the content of God and this world God world. Those who do not see the world of truth as they live bodily and are confined by the relative value of the physical world can not always escape the self-centered ego, neighbor’s conflicts and the confusion of values. The moment when man acknowledges that his reality is not the body but the spirit and that life is the process of realizing the truth and developing the spirit, the earth will begin to become a truly peaceful heaven. I hope that mankind will soon realize this. Then, mankind will not suffer confusion and suffering in a temporal and ever-changing physical world, and will be able to live calmly and peacefully without the help of weapons or military power, without any ideological and sectarian fighting, and without being bewildered by relative values. OnCharm Lee (Author of "Humans & Truth)

@packe777 11 жыл бұрын

Mathematics are indeed, as you say, discovered relationships, being symbolically represented, and may be as Stephen Wolfram suggests one of possible maths but again- we have discovered does relationships, we didn't invented them(Mandelbrot and Julia set fractals). Zermelo-Frankel set theory has many problems, and language system of Hilbert's Formalism is proven wrong (Godel, Gregory Chaitin's "Omega" ), so your maths as language hypothesis is inconsistent and utterly fails. Formalism is dead.

@winstonchang777 6 жыл бұрын

Free will is not free will to change events OUT THERE....all things will have happened....But you can come out of it with come free will over your own emotions and acceptance....In the end....you come out of it just as previously determined....but with a different mind.

@OnCharmLee 7 жыл бұрын

I believe this: the world of eternal source is the world of truth corresponding to the divine or God world and the physical world is the secondary and temporary world that is always changing and sometimes does not exist. The human body comes from the physical world and goes back and the spirit feels the physical world and interacts with the God world (usually called consciousness). Accordingly, the master of the human is the spirit as God is the owner of the physical world. And thus the life is the process of getting close to God who does not die forever while realizing the truth and growing the spirit. OnCharm Lee

@danieljoseph255 7 жыл бұрын

Mathematics DESCRIBES the physical universe, it doesn't "control" anything. The same goes for the physical laws--differential equations like the inverse square law of gravitation--they are DESCRIPTIONS of observed reality, that exist in a platonic realm--they help with predictions, but they don't "control", "cause", or "compel" anything. Amazing how many brilliant men make the same asinine assertion, and they make it in such a nonchalant way that it would seem they are completely unaware of how dumb they sound.

@khalidnezami5056 5 жыл бұрын

That’s ultimately called Platonism.

@PicturesJester 4 жыл бұрын

No, Platonism saw the Forms as the "progenitor" of the things of the physical world. These things are copies of the Form by sharing in it's likeness, having the essence of the Form handed down to it. Things are initially as close to the Form as possible, to their perfect true form, how they should be, and any movement in any direction leads farther from it's perfect form, and is bad. So to Plato this perfect reality is something which all things share in, but it isn't outside of time, it is connected to time by the assertion that the originals of things, for being farther in the past, are closer to their Forms, and should stay static, without any change. Platonism and it's connection to a philosophy of history and politics is a very different thing. Platonism lead Plato to acvocate for a segregated society predicated on eugenics of the master class, where stasis of all kinds, social, economic, culgural, was the ideal form of life, in a time where existed in athens a movement advocating for the open society and equalitarian movements against slavery. The mathematical idealism/realism Penrose is talking about is a different thing with different consequences.

@JAYDUBYAH29 5 жыл бұрын

This is an interesting and sophisticated version of the so called fine tuning problem. It’s a semantic game based on some logical wrong turns. Minds emerge from neurobiology, mathematics emerges from minds. The universe was in process long before minds emerged to observe it and even longer before those minds developed languages like mathematics to try to describe, understand and explain those processes. I guess it’s yet another example of a genius being really excellent at certain things and not so much at others?

@Weaverine Жыл бұрын

But we have no idea how minds emmerge, mathematics seem to be discovered not developed, and we still don't know if a tree falling when no one is there to observe it makes a sound

@JAYDUBYAH29 Жыл бұрын

@@Weaverine Those are a version of argument from ignorance, or god of the gaps approach. Math is developed, (as is science) out of interacting with and seeking to make sense of the world (and cosmos) around us. We discover accurate descriptions of what is and how it functions and those can be expressed in the languages we develop. Not knowing the mechanism whereby minds emerge doesn't negate the massive body of scientific knowledge around how the phenomena we recognize as constituting minds correlate with brain function and evolution. Do you know if the light inside your fridge turns off when you close the door-or is that also a deep freshman philosophy epistemological MYSTERY?

@Weaverine Жыл бұрын

@@JAYDUBYAH29 I mean you're the one spouting atheism plus arguements. If you have solved the mind body problem I'm all ears.

@Weaverine Жыл бұрын

@@JAYDUBYAH29 Also the fact that we're discussing the limits of knowledge with the does a tree falling in the woods thing, and then you think you're smarted than Roger Penrose because you watched some Sam Harris/ Hitchens whatever, and are displaying massive example of the Dunning Kruger effect, that irony isn't lost on me

@JAYDUBYAH29 Жыл бұрын

@@Weaverine Oh this is precious! thank for the chuckle, I might print this up and frame it! So good. Merry Xmas-and may your tree make no sound when it falls.

@VerifyTheTruth 3 жыл бұрын

The Entirety Of Nature Is Organized In A Very Sophisticated Way. Physics And Metaphysics.

@escazon1 5 жыл бұрын

Understanding ‘realism’ in the standard philosophical sense, many commenters here seem to be some kind of non-realist realists who want to have their proverbial cake and eat it as well (and a moderately convincing in-between position requires a lot more conceptual sophistication than is on display here). Many of those espousing reductive physicalism are sidestepping the issue/problem of mental existents, or bringing them in through the back door e.g. ‘but doesn’t Penrose know that these are only MENTAL constructions, only products of the human MIND.” And in what does this mind consist? Putting aside considerations of mind and consciousness in-themselves, do ethical and aesthetic values exist? If yes, are these physical and observable? More generally, it takes a hell of a lot of hubris to think that one knows the certain truth of matters that have vexed the greatest philosophers for thousands of years (and many of the scientists and mathematicians who have seriously pondered them). But if false certainty in the name of ‘reason’ or ‘science’ (which is no better than in the name of mysticism, religion, etc) is what gives you psychological comfort...

@OnCharmLee 5 жыл бұрын

[Human Consciousness, Truth, Reality, and Physical World] In order for us to properly talk about reality, we need to understand correctly about what both the facts and reality are and what the relationship between them is, and how humans’ perception and understanding occur. Truth is a logic that is always right regardless of the physical world, fact refers to the phenomenon or change in the physical world, and reality means that truth appears as a fact through matter. In human consciousness, three parties are involved: human (observer), target object and intermediate information conveyor. In order for human perception and understanding to be completely correct, all of these must be complete. Complete is normal and imperfect is abnormal. First of all, the observer, the conscious person, must be complete. The observer must be able to properly interpret and judge the given information. If he is incomplete, no matter how much the object provides enough information and the information carrier completely convey the information, the object cannot be correctly recognized and understood. But basically human is imperfect in physical existence and ability. Human perception-understanding functions are sometimes very inaccurate and may malfunction. The ability of the five senses is so limited. The base information and knowledge for the interpretation of the given information may be scarce or distorted. Sometimes the brain cannot properly handle the given information, can construct illogical things at random or distorts what it is. The brain can also be disturbed by the body and peripheral circumstances that prevent it from concentrating on the object. The way in which humans are maximally perfected is to improve their own abilities through education or training and/or to raise the lack of senses and judgment ability through the help of the tools. In judging the information given from the object, it is necessary not to be disturbed by concentrating to the utmost and not to be distorted by influence of his desire, minimizing the deviation from the greed and self-center. Even if the conscious person is perfect, the intermediate communicator may be incomplete. A delay or distortion may occur on the way of information transmission about the object. The physical world is an imperfect world with many limitations and conditions. It takes time to transmit the information and limits the power at the distance and distort it by the noise. The object must also provide sufficient information. The object may not give enough information or may be changing continuously. Some materials, such as black holes or dark energy, do not give information to the outside at all. In particular, the problem may occur as uncertainty in the micro-physical world when energy is on the process of accumulating to particles. The object that is not physical existence but pure logic, is not related to the communicator. This is the reason why it is possible for the brain of the best state to do the truth without physical interference. Since the truth is always right without being constrained by the conditions of the physical space and time, if problem does not arise in the human brain to recognize, it can be clearly realized. (That is, because the truth remains the same everywhere all the time, it can be confirmed right wherever any time the perceiver's brain works properly.) But in the case that the object is physical, human consciousness, fact and reality are interdependent each other because those three are tied together by the physical world. The physical fact and reality that have already occurred will keep themselves without disappearing or changing, but when they become the objectives of human perception and understanding, they will become related to all three parties, being affected by identity imperfection, continuous change and inter-connectivity of the physical world. The way to grasp the facts and reality that happened in the past is to keep track of the changes of the physical world through the laws of physics. At this time, it is necessary to make sure the physical identity of the object and the conditions of the transmission media. The logic of backtracking is made through unchanging truth hidden in the laws of physics (eg mathematical logic). (Keep in mind that no backtracking is possible unless absolute truths that do not change are not backed up.) Therefore, the first problem in physical facts and reality is the precise identification of the existence of the material. For example, if the motion or change of a particle is the subject of understanding, a clear identity determination of the physical presence of the particle is required. If the identity of the particle is unclear, it is impossible to tell the facts and reality about its movement or change accurately. This is related to how fine the particle changes in the micro-world. Currently the smallest size for this is known as the Planck size (Planck length: meters, Planck time: seconds). Particles, however, exhibit uncertainty of existence and wave-particle duality and quantum entanglement phenomena centering on this size. (I believe that this size is the smallest particle in matter and is made by the balance between the energy viscosity and the diffusing force of vacuum, while occurring at the mapping of the finite amount of energy to unlimited depth and size of vacuum.) In addition, from the viewpoint of information transmission about the object, the memory of the transmitted information and the propagation conditions such as delay by the electromagnetic wave (or light) propagated at a finite speed of 300,000Km/sec and the distortion due to noise in the physical space that is bent while being influenced by gravity, become the considerations. Furthermore, conscious person can affect the objects by changing the energy field when thinking in the brain or looking through light. For these reasons, recognition and understanding of physical objects cannot but include delay and error rates, and they cannot escape subjectivity and relativity according to each party in the pursuit of common objective perceptions and understandings. As such, consciousness and reality in human beings are related to that the physical world is finite, incomplete, imperfect, ever-changing, temporal, and relative as the secondary world, and the world of truth is perfect, never-changing, always right, permanent, and absolute as the original world, while being opposed to the physical world. Also, consciousness and reality are related to that truth manifests itself whenever and wherever while being hidden in the changes and laws of the physical world, and that those who do the truth live as being worthy and without question and shake in life as they realize the truths. The way to approach perfection in human perception and comprehension is to maximally deviate or compensate for the physical constraints of all three parties of the physical worlds. Those who do absolute truth are not limited to the finiteness and not drawn to the chaos of change, transcending the imperfect physical world, but are always in a free and peaceful state transcending bodily death. OnCharm Lee (Author of the Book "Humans, God, and Truth - Human Life is the Awakening Process")

@kimsahl8555 3 жыл бұрын

Really exist is the elements of the Nature.

@shanejohns7901 3 жыл бұрын

As for the term 'exist' -- I try to avoid it, or I try to use a qualifier with it when using it. Harry Potter exists in books. Unicorns exist in the imaginations of some children. The term 'exist' seems to demand a bit more to be useful. I am not sure how welcome Platonic thinking could be in science today. Aristotle gave a worldview which didn't require it. When you learn Physics, you do so by learning about things that do NOT exist in our physical realm. When was the last time you ran into a 'frictionless plane' or a 'perfectly round sphere'? The best we seem to be able to do is 'more nearly perfect'... Even Plato argued that the forms down here are but 'imperfect copies' of the same forms in the Platonic Realm.

@OnCharmLee 5 жыл бұрын

[Fact, Reality, and Truth] ‘Truth’ is the logic that is always absolutely right, regardless of the physical world, ‘fact’ is what happened in the physical world, and ‘reality’ is the realization of truth as fact via materials. Our universe is one of innumerable cases of realization. The laws of nature about changing contain unchanging truth. So whether it is truth or not is a matter of whether it is always right regardless of the physical space and time, whether it is a fact or not is a matter of whether it happened in the physical world or not, and whether it is real or false is a matter of whether the alleged fact is revealed as it is or not, that is, whether the truth or fact is hided, masqueraded or manipulated, or not. As a truth-performer, I want you to try to use them as accurately as possible. OnCharm Lee (Author of the Book “Humans, God, and Truth - Human Life is the Awakening Process”)

@bigfletch8 11 жыл бұрын

The more advanced the traveler, the less common the sense is.

@badroulbadour1 5 жыл бұрын

Down at the Planck lenght all is 'impossible' triangles, and Consciousness is an emergent and inherent part of matter and space-time. We still need to find a few other particle fields beyond the Higgs, and perhaps LIGO and such can find the reverberations of inflation before the 380.000 year mark. Entanglement will explain why dark stuff, gravity and other fields permeates the Universe through multi-dimensional connections. Roger Penrose is a genius. :)

@jamesvanderhoorn1117 10 жыл бұрын

To be is to be perceived. You can't have 'things' first and then consciousness arising/evolving from them. Where and when would the universe be without an observer? A 'self' is the guarantor of reality. Phenomena aren't phenomena if they don't appear........

@thecatsman 10 жыл бұрын

James, If the universe went through a phase of only very very high temperatures , what could have perceived this state? What are the possible entities that can observe matter and its movement? The universe surely existed for millions of years before anything complex enough to observe it formed. So looking out is looking back in time - it wasn't being observed then, Was it?

@jamesvanderhoorn1117 9 жыл бұрын

Looking back in time, is still looking, isn't it? Calling something 'past' has no meaning without a reference point. The present is only present when there is someone 'present'.

@stuartlawler2411 3 ай бұрын

Math is a language, sorry.

@lucasbarreira2957 2 жыл бұрын

Consciousness is the only real thing

@MrGarnache 10 жыл бұрын

Bob's Universe equals one possibility divided by infinity at BEST ( the opposite number to infinity ) That means the PROBABILITY of it being correct is also the smallest possible number ..... Statsitically ..... In Reality the number is only slightly less and zero ! Science calls that Virtual Zero = It IS likely zero Math alone just can't prove it.

@thecatsman 10 жыл бұрын

My universe (thanks Mr G)) cannot 'equal' any mathematical concept. There is ONE universe because the word implies 'all' or 'total'. Mathematicians can bring cosmologists etc. into their mind games, but their collective motive is furtherance of their careers, not the discovery of truth. There is no philosophical future in my position that there is one infinite universe, unbounded, and homogenous. One made of matter and driven by a few 'simple' physical laws. This does not stop it being true. Sorry Michael - no 'intelligent' great creator - just the indescribably wonderful, awesome, automatic, natural creation of complexity from tiny units. Thoughts and ideas are real, but they don't equal what they refer to. There is NO mystery what reality is. Sorry, Mr.lord professor sir Dr. Penrose BSm.

@MrGarnache 10 жыл бұрын

Bob Loosemore I agree with the that doesnt stop it from possibly being true ..... But you need to demonstrate beyond that in order for a sensible person to believe it. What evedence do you have for your claim ? Beyond Philosophy I would point out that Science doesn't claim one Universe ,,,, It claims One we can Observe and does NOT say it's the only possible one. Nor does it say one universe means the total of all universes that is called the Multiverse.

@jaber4life 8 жыл бұрын

+Bob Loosemore life is more than tiny units.

@theconsciousmovement9669 3 жыл бұрын

1:12 wait right there. There is no maths in quantum physics, which would cause the creation of reality and time is just a perception that humans created based on past events.

@bigfletch8 9 жыл бұрын

Three mysteries....but (applying a hypothesis as in empirical investigation), if consciousness is considered to be "timeless", by definition, it would have predated the "mysterious" start of the universe, and would legitimize the statements made by some spiritual masters (I consider Pythagoras to be such an individual), whom have stated that everything "trickles down" from consciousness. To add validity to such a hypothesis, would it not be reasonable to add that such "general consciousness", separates into individual units of consciousness (the parallel being our cellular expansion)... ie you and me, and from our unique experiences as individuals, rediscover that original "reality" by also discovering, and identifying those mysteries Roger referred to? Makes sense out of the Py statement (Know Thyself...and know the universe). Also explains why we are "hell bent"..pun intended.. on always looking deeper...and why some say they have experienced "enlightenment".

5 жыл бұрын

If we're only matter, what's the difference between a dead person and a sleeping person? Sleep and death can't be the same except from the metaphorical visual, which is very unspoken and really eternal. Math doesn't just involve physics; it also to me refers to voids from creations since we're experiencing colors and lights for our reason. Brain activity is often eternal since we may or may not have the instincts realized through prejudice and judgement.