Roger Waters vs. David Gilmour: What Caused Pink Floyd's Feud?

[@MusicMongoose]

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[@saschdukoff106]

Just a guess like my comment underneath this poles apart.

[@handebarlas6248]

Yes I know which one and why, but I'm not telling here so that people watch your video. And I will be watching it too. Thank you very much for the "feud" video. It was very well constructed and presented.

[@boffo63]

It's Echoes

[@saschdukoff106]

@@boffo63 cool. Thank you.

[@magicman0365]

YES. A SONG HE AND RICHARD HARMONIZED ON!

[@thelolguy007]

Roger never got over the shock that the band continued on without him. He convinced himself that once he left they were done.

[@Cesar_09_]

well, they really were done

[@SergeiGoukasovPA]

they were done

[@stephenstone8480]

They were done...the last 2 albums and tours were done strictly for the money...

[@PeterSokol-bl5vz]

Division Bell was an incredible album…..makes the last cut seem what it was….stupid.

[@maximusthemerciful9452]

@@Cesar_09_or they really weren’t.

[@timelkins3537]

One thing is certain: the classic “Pink Floyd” sound we all know and love doesn’t exist without the collaborative efforts of Roger and David. It’s apparent that neither of them individually ever did anything as great as what they accomplished together back in their glory years. It’s crazy to think that they’re still feuding after all this time.

[@stickman1742]

No doubt and they needed Wright as well. Unfortunate they still fight, but I guess the business interests of using the Pink Floyd name is still an issue. Waters wants to put more of his things on official Floyd web sites, but Gilmour doesn't want it. So they fight. Money and power is an equal problem for everyone.

[@DjNikGnashers]

The 'classic' Pink Floyd sound was Syd Barrett. Without him there would never be any Pink Floyd.

[@tito2059]

😉@@DjNikGnashers

[@gumersindoreguera4757]

Ļi6

[@savageben7004]

I’m not gonna lie, I like Roger Waters first solo album “The Pros and Cons of Hitchhiking” just as much as any classic Pink Floyd Album. And I like it way more than any post Waters Pink Floyd album. If you haven’t listened to it, I’d recommend checking it out ASAP.

[@decnat]

I think many people have forgotten Richard Wright influence, he was in large part the Pink Floyd sound.

[@paulayork6838]

yup , ! rodger thinks he wasnt pulling the weight .. dave had a bond

[@teamridgeback]

Like symphony it’s the keyboardist who truly holds a blues band (or any group) together. They are first chair.

[@myathegrandma]

He's like the JPJ of Pink Floyd, underappreciated but a significant member in regard to the sound of their respected groups.

No, he wasn't. He certainly contributed to it, but Roger Waters did most of the composing and writing. It's mainly due to Waters and to some extent Gilmour.

[@lone-sloane8896]

Oui et non. Avant lui,il y avait Syd. Lui,il gérait les « abus » d’un junky. Heureusement que David est arrivé,si non, les P.F. n’auraient jamais tenu aussi longtemps. Après, que la mégalomanie de Rogers est amenée à l’éclatement du groupe,c’était déjà à prévoir depuis The Wall et Final Cut. Personnellement. Moi, à 71 ans, je préfère toujours les sons Jarett et Guilmo que Water#

[@Genevieve111]

It is what it is... just enjoy what the five of them created as a group. Thank you Syd, Roger, David, Richard and Nick for all the amazing music... 💕

[@jessegarcia2060]

It is not what it is...smh...

[@MadScientist267]

They have been my absolute favorite ever since hearing the wall in the early 80s. It was kinda a shame that so much of their music was left out of radio and only a handful of songs really were ever focused on... I don't know too many people that heard one of them, bought an album, and didn't end up liking the whole thing... wanting more. Not too many bands have invoked this over time... Hit and run is way more common. They stood the test of time, even if there was a bit of turmoil under the hood. Having been in a band myself, that went no further than local, I can attest the "creative differences" concept is not a force that can be ignored. If the people creating the music are not on the same page for the most part (there will *always* be minor differences)... the music will reflect this. Hence the pingpong in the sound from them in the 70s-80s. The Wall is an excellent wrapped up all in one example. You can clearly hear the two distinct styles that each one of them wants, and while it worked within the context of the turmoil in the story, they definitely "clash". If you can't agree, you can't agree, and someone has to go. In this case, it was Waters. Is what it is indeed. It can't be forced. But they remain my favorite ever, regardless of configuration other than the earliest stuff. Syd didn't do much for me, I mean I "get it", but I'm less "psychedelic" (or political, in the case of Waters) and more "philosophical". Gilmour/Wright for the win.

[@toreckman8899]

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[@Genevieve111]

@@toreckman8899 x2

[@markheppleston478]

Too right!

[@annejones8777]

I'm just so glad that Pink Floyd was formed in the first place. They gave us some of the best music the world has ever heard. First time I heard them, I was 13 years old. I'm now 62. I think for anyone to love their albums for that long speaks for itself. I'm on the side of the music

[@robertmcmanus9185]

Hearing dark side of the moon one night as an early teen (on an 8 track player I might add) off in the woods during the dark of night was one of the most memorable musical experiences of my life. Hearing Roger Waters redux was one of the most frightening and most deflating. I'd like to blame Roger Waters for everything, but I won't. That said, I think he was the source of the problem. I am, however, like you! Grateful this group ever existed.

[@annejones8777]

@@robertmcmanus9185 the music will always be with us

[@johnnorris1983]

Waters is the psycho Barrett couldn’t get past.. control and Narcissistic tendencies plague the guy. Congrats to David on surviving..

[@sethflix]

@@johnnorris1983If you honestly believe this, then you are the psycho, and you know absolutely NOTHING about Pink Floyd's music of it's members.

[@ridahariri8729]

you're glad it was formed ? So shouldn't you be on the side of the guy that formed it .

[@joshmcmillan348]

I think nick Mason summed up the problem perfectly “Roger doesn’t respect David”. Roger sued them and was convinced that it wasn’t pink floyd without him. The truth is it’s the 4 of them- the collective. The music and the lyrics are equally as important for pink floyd. I get that it must be hard to see your band go on without him but it was still pink floyd without Syd and therefore it’s still pink floyd without Roger- a different pink floyd but it’s still pink floyd.

[@Dimster6666]

Nah it stopped being Pink Floyd the day Roger Waters left. He was the main driving force and lyricist in most of their music up to Wish You Were Here. The Division Bell is a brilliant album, but it doesn't sound like the Pink Floyd we grew to know and love. Can you imagine The Wall without Roger Waters involvement? Just would not have happened. Nor would have Animals. Sorry but I side with Roger and think David Gilmour is a bit of a pompous git to be perfectly honest. If you listen to any of Gilmour's solo stuff it doesn't sound like Pink Floyd at all, although I absolutely love On an Island. I think that is Gilmour's best work to date.

[@modifiedcontent]

Everything good about post-Barrett Pink Floyd came from Gilmour - and Wright and Mason.

[@JoaquimArisso]

Just like Usain Bolt without legs would still be Usain Bolt. He would loose the ability to run as much as Pink Floyd lost the ability to compose. Hey, but what about running with prosthesis, well that's what Pink Floyd tried. 3 albums in 40 years with scores 2.74 / 3.25 / 2.53 in Rate Your Music. Even Ummagumma has better average than this.

[@morganboy1]

​@modifiedcontent I completely agree. Water's ego got in the way too often after Wish You Were Here. The Wall is overbearingly Water's. I can't stand The Wall! I know it's what got them their biggest fame, but personally I think it's crap.

[@JimmyRJump]

I'm on the side of Pink Floyd. It's about the music, not about personal vendettas. I've read most stories about the Gilmour/Waters feud and can in most part agree with both of them. This indicates that the disagreement should have been settled amicably instead of by court ruling. But lawsuits is what happens when all of a sudden there's money and so-called "rights" involved. Friendship and reason go out the window once lawyers have taken over and you're quickley on a path of no return. That's how we ended-up where we are. Illusions have been shattered, friendships broken and egos bruised. But the music remains.

[@basedbear1605]

Only one of them took it to court. "When the band your in starts playing different tunes, I'll see you on the dark side of the moon."... Yet Roger couldn't abide by his own lyrics. He was vindictive and controlling, and ruined the best band in history.

[@davexvs]

@@basedbear1605 with that answer you nailed it waters said one thing but meant something else that only he knew much like Cyd's thinking but without the magic stuff

[@Devon-x1u]

Both of them? How can you agree the Waters gets to quit the band and throw a hissy fit to try and make them Dissolve the band?

[@ritar.4322]

@@basedbear1605 Amen

[@danielareid1200]

I disagree. It is not about money, but ego, power and control. As a woman, I know "you're nothing without me" when I hear it.

[@anziocomplex3021]

I really love Roger Waters' vocals and his writing, but David Gilmour is as close to being a guitar god as is humanly possible. I love what the two of them created together, but if I had to choose just one, it would be David Gilmour, no contest.

[@rickwagner3797]

Same with me, plus it seems like Water's a not the best person and probably difficult to get along with. Even with all that i've seen Water's live twice in the past 5 years and would again.

[@lukapapan5563]

Lets choose guy who wouldn't be famous on that level if thwre were not Waters who made everything

[@robertmcmanus9185]

Yep.

[@takiskyriakos]

@@lukapapan5563 stupid opinion.

[@albertsun8822]

Gilmour solos are literally best ever period so if you did h2h in terms of their contributions it’s not even debatable

[@simonpaine91]

The fact that the other band members stuck with Gilmore , despite him not being a founding member , speaks volumes, they knew what was best for them

[@illegalewahrheiten2911]

Yeah, cash.

[@Mr_Bio_Hazard]

You mean Gilmour.

[@jr2904]

​@@illegalewahrheiten2911 and not hanging around with a prick like Roger lol

[@Tiemen.M]

Roger left and wanted Pink Floyd to stop there. There was no optional choice between Gilmour or Waters for the other members. Roger went solo.

[@brinta2868]

@@Tiemen.M And then Roger based his solo career on Pink Floyd material.

[@NathanT87]

My older brother would drive all of us to school and Another Brick in the Wall would be blasting on the radio. Great memories and amazing band. All of them.

[@ExMachina70]

It's like watching your parents who you love both equally fight, and all you care about, is that they work it out.

[@johnnyclifford9423]

Yeah, that's it ^

[@rooms1028]

Any kid that has endured their parents divorce sees the same thing there.

[@LicoriceLain]

And it will never happen. These old progs bands are too steeped in their feelings to truly reconcile.

[@ExMachina70]

@@LicoriceLain Agreed, after watching them return together only to break up makes it clear.

[@larrylong9367]

My thoughts and sentiments exactly ... !

[@celticsanonymous]

As much as I appreciate Roger Waters’ songwriting, I have seen more than enough footage of him being a paranoid cynic. David Gilmour, on the other hand, is a thoughtful and polite gentleman. Looking back, it’s a miracle that their cooperation lasted as long as it did.

[@pathfinderau286]

heard a recent interview with R. Waters. The hostility towards Israel which bursts forth from him is alarming. I have generational memory of such hatred and its chilling.

[@abc-mf8rr]

​​@@pathfinderau286like the majority of world's population ...no normal person loves apathaid And what the he.ck Israel has to do with anything?

[@niteengupte]

Musically I loved Pink Floyd except for the last album Final Cut. I do like Waters political views which I share. I feel his distaste is for the zionists who control Israel and its lobbyists' toxic tentacles: AIPAC in the USA and its equally devious British counterparts.

[@osmsiddiqi_photo]

​@@pathfinderau286Please share what he said that has been proven to be untrue about Israel by international law rather than just your opinion.

[@Dimster6666]

I think Waters has a serious point and that Israel IS committing genocide on the Palestinians. The Israelis have always been so damned self righteous and their attacks on the Gaza Strip are bordering on war crimes.

[@Danny-sd5vm]

I love this band with every ounce of my being. Pink Floyd in the 70's created the best albums. From the first song, to the final song, you were taken on a journey. Floyd without Roger didn't create these exceptional albums but they made some amazing songs. Coming Back to Life might be my favorite song ever.

[@WokeBegone]

Learning to fly

[@tonypoore440]

Later Pink Floyd albums were not concept albums, but were great collections of songs. You can tell it's obviously the Floyd, just a lot of the songs have a more upbeat feel to them. I think the later albums stand up quite well with the earlier stuff, better than some.

[@semperterra3235]

Pink Floyd had (at least) 5 separate eras: Barrett years 1966-68, Experimental Years 1968 - 1972, DSOM & WYWH years 1973-1976, The Waters Years 1977 - 1983, The Gilmour Years 1985 onwards. They sounded very different in all these eras with the sharpest break being with Animals in 1977.

[@ReallyOnaRoll]

The sharpest break to me was a little after, when the last Roger Waters influenced album released called "The Final Cut", which I disliked.

[@smith9808]

Zeppelin created better albums imo. Far more influential too. But each to their own. Floyd definitely top 5 of all time.

[@danielcaranti2500]

Wonderful band. Part of my childhood and youth. A shame this feud didn't allow them to continue creating more sounds together.

[@a1d3nh0]

Everyone misses ‘Animals’ when talking about the best album. My god, Dogs is the best song they ever did. What a trip!

[@stevecooper8121]

Very under rated album, my favorite also.

[@johnwatrous3058]

I liked pigs (3 different ones) better.

[@frankfrausto]

Both are great. David is a fantastic guitar player. Roger is a great songwriter. They did a wonderful job together. And that's all.

[@Tails7212]

Gilmour sucks at writing, he makes a gem every few years though

[@darrellreid3172]

Does the song, Comfortly Numb mean anything.

[@MagpieGeordie]

@Vlasko60it’s about Sid Barrett comfortably numb he was the making of dark side

[@rises889]

@@darrellreid3172 yes..one song :))))

[@pias-04]

​@@darrellreid3172it was written in memory of Stephen Hawkins.

[@Alf-Garnish]

As an observer, i think David is as chilled as any man can be, a well-rounded and a thoroughly pleasant person. Roger on the other hand i think is complex, difficult and has his fair share of demons & baggage that goes with him into any confrontation that he gets himself into. Just my opinion. just saying...

[@tinydancer5279]

Agree

[@djphillips109]

Agreed

[@davidcrawford6505]

Yes. Waters was with the band along with Syd. That version of PF sucked ass. When Gilmour joined they actually made good music. So that tells you who can be tossed aside and not missed.

[@imanenigma3348]

Yep, you have my vote.

[@Rasputin443556]

Except Gilmour’s Pink Floyd is just bad. Waters solo may not be Dark Side of the Moon redux (unless is very consciously is), but its quality music if you ignore the first side of Radio KAOS. As Robert Christgau said, David Gilmour is the nice guy, but Roger Waters is the songwriter. And, maybe it’s me, but Gilmour comes off as incredibly snobby when he’s issuing political statements. I don’t agree with his politics much-he’s pretty much “I support the current thing”-but every pronouncement he has on the topic is snobby.

[@paulweber8203]

I have followed Pink Floyd for a lot of years! You have informed me of things that I was not aware of. Love that band! They deserve our respect!! I'm not a big Roger Waters fan, but I'm aware that he was a important part of the band. David Gilmore is my Hero! He is one of the best artists I have ever heard. Thanks, David!!!!

[@sethflix]

I highly suggest you give a listen to Roger Waters album "Amused to Death"

[@siemniak]

Without rogers there would be no pink Floyd. But who could not love sweet voice of Gilmour and of course his guitar solos. David put pink Floyd to the next level. Honestly i think David made it what it is today, even if it was Roger who wrote the wall. Without David i dont think they would be relevant all this years later. I always think that Roger as a great songwriter . David not only is a good song writer but genius guitar player and great singer. I can't imagine pf without either him or rogers but if i went out to see love performance i would definitely want to see Gilmour instead of Roger if i had to choose either one of them.

[@sharonhaywood2818]

Amen !!!!!

[@Isaacmossguitar]

​@@siemniakexactly. Wright as well. The Final Cut proves that without him there's no Pink Floyd. Same goes for David. Being the primary songwriter Roger irreplaceable though

[@siemniak]

@@Isaacmossguitar but honestly gilmour is also an amazing singnwriter

[@oldrikky]

Not going to take sides here. Unparalleled musical talent from the whole band. I have listened so many times to there albums over the years,never gets old.

[@pjtheory]

Terrific video. In terms of who was responsible for Pink Floyd's success, I simply adhere to the KISS philosophy. Waters was the main lyricist and conceptual artist. Gilmour was a superior vocalist, one of the greatest guitarists in rock history and along with Wright, the band's melodic heart and soul. Mason was an underrated drummer and was the glue that kept the band from breaking apart in the mid to late 70's. In terms of the Gilmour/Waters feud, I could care less about their ongoing verbal spats, but I could listen to Gilmour's post-Waters Pink Floyd and solo discography all day long. Water's 4 solo albums are a mixed bag and sans a few songs that featured Jeff Beck on guitar, these 4 records are devoid of melody and Water's vocals are underwhelming. Gilmour is a fully formed musician (e.g., lead guitar, slide guitar, bass guitar, drums, saxophone) who places emphasis on melody and sweeping sonic landscapes. The record buying public seems to agree with my musical taste for A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and THE DIVISION BELL both sold over 10 million copies worldwide, and Gilmour's 4 solo albums sold more copies than Water's 4 solo albums.

[@RichardRusiecki-ux3tc]

Complete opinionated point of view. If it’s what you believe I can’t tell you you’re wrong. Waters vocals are as unique as the person itself. The Final Cut and Amused to Death are certainly not every ones cup of tea but to those it is are considered absolute masterpieces. The different vocals in Comfortably Numb and Mother are two examples that it only works with the two together. I find David’s Floyd altogether unremarkable. Record sales don’t tell the true story. David had the name to fund sales. I saw both Waters solo tour and David’s Pink Floyd tours and Waters shows were always superior. My opinion.

[@billhufford7209]

A MOMENTARY LAPSE OF REASON and THE DIVISION BELL.Two of the greatest albums ever created.

[@dancahill9585]

@@RichardRusiecki-ux3tc As you say, it's personal opinion. I have trouble listening to The Final Cut or any of Roger Waters solo stuff because I don't find him particularly musical. I could listen to the Gilmour/Wright sound all day, whether instrumental or lyrical song and Gilmour and Wright's voices were both better than Waters in my opinion. I think The Division Bell is head and shoulders better than anything Waters did on his own.

[@terrencereardon6374]

I agree. In Pink Floyd I am pro-Gilmour and Wright Styx I am pro-Dennis DeYoung.

[@antonihardonk8970]

I share your opinion and appreciate the facts you found to show a majority seems to agree with that as well.

[@massimosaccomando2223]

Pink Floyd was all the members as a whole including Roger and David!

[@teanreece]

Waters' sublime dark lyrics and entire Orwellian mindscapes leave an indelible mark on your soul. Gilmour's chill and competent vocals, together with his haunting guitar solos complete the Floyd sound and aura. Like Lennon and Macartney, hearing the music they made solo, compared to their collaborative genius, it's clear the Floyd, as with the Beatles, were greater than the sum of their parts. I take comfort though, in knowing that, if they'd stayed together, being less hungry (and stoned) as they aged, it's doubtful that they would ever have matched the beauty of those earlier albums. No-one ever does. Look at U2 or The Stones. Sometimes it's better to leave the audience wanting more.... Thanks Pink Floyd. You influenced my entire life. 🌚

[@terrymiller7272]

Such an amazing band. It is such a shame that these two geniuses egos got in the way and could not go on to produce such unique and outstanding music. I was very lucky to of met David Gilmore. I use to be a wall and floor tiler and had the privilege of tiling his house. I was working late one day and he turned up, and we had a chat for about 5 minutes, something that will stay with me for the rest of my days.

[@melany5506]

What did he say? Not to be nosy, but.. lol

[@terrymiller7272]

One thing that I do remember that we spoke about was I had a Makita radio playing, he said I didn’t realise that Makita did radios I only thought they did drills. He said it sounds good, I replied, it would sound even better if The Dark Side Of The Moon was playing. He tipped his hat and gave me a smile! Never will forget that.

[@trent3872]

Great story.

[@melany5506]

@@terrymiller7272 wow that’s awesome! Thanks for the story

[@sethflix]

It's not "Gilmore" it's spelled G-I-L-M-O-U-R ...Gilmour.

[@zemlidrakona2915]

All political opinions are "questionable" if you happen to disagree. In any case their feud is between them, I'm not sure why I should take a side.

[@henryclark5486]

They ARE the GREATEST the world will ever know! We couldn't have had either without the other! It's a shame they can't be like best friends, they gave us something no one else would be able to match, the GREATEST MUSIC of all time...

[@shawnkennedy855]

Uh huh...

[@bjennings1067]

In a word personalities for all that they still went on to be the greatest progressive sycadelic rock band in my lifetime been a fan for over fifty years 74 now and still can't get through a day without listening to their incredible music

[@stevecarr5728]

I am only 66 andba day does not go by without FLOYD

[@jayyoutube8790]

Seen both concerts in Pittsburgh years ago. I’ll never go to “Roger Walter’s The Wall.” For 45mins, and a few mins between songs it was all “political” and “anti-Bush”.. I just wanted to feel good and rock out. Now, David Gilmore’s concert was a carbon copy of the album. It was what you’ld expect to hear. Great show

[@thepwrjunkie7378]

I love them both, Waters made the mistake of marginalizing a talent like Gilmour & leaving the band, Gilmour made the mistake of letting his wife take shots publicly. It doesn't really matter we can all listen to any of their masterpieces at any time. It's very unlikely they would have produced anything of that quality after 1985 anyway.

[@chuckhutton5087]

I disagree with that last statement; I believe they left a lot of potential greatness to scatter to the four winds following Water’s departure.

[@kevinmeyer6427]

"letting his wife take shots publicly"....Dude, she's her own person & a creative talent in her own right. I doubt someone as chill as David would be that controlling over his wife. At least, I seriously hope not.

[@thepwrjunkie7378]

@@kevinmeyer6427 It's not about controlling someone, It's about using discretion. It shouldn't even have to be explained to someone in her 60's or 70's.

[@RockChick63174]

​@@thepwrjunkie7378blah, blah...

[@federicoTM]

This is almost a classical fake reportage , the spirit of this weak , false time , telling again lies on political point of view of corrupted media : All the media mainstream expecially of the west showed in these last years all kind of disinformations and official fake news , but turning up side down ... they started to accuse free social to be dangerous and need to be fully controlled and censored. A new nazism " really" is spreading in Europe ! Roger Waters is unique as rock star and musician to stand for the truth ! David Gilmour gived up this foundametal side of Pink floyd philosopy ( not just rock music) but revolutionary message by music , pictures , words !!!

[@ABetterNewZealand]

I would like to introduce a third side (though probably leaning towards Gilmour) in Nick Mason via his autobiography, a masterpiece from 2005 in which he writes about the days of Pink Floyd and explains how the feud started, its various phases and finishes with Live 8. He saw the whole thing from his seat behind the drum kit, and thus I think you can say is entitled to comment.

[@danguee1]

And that is....? Or should we buy the book, read it and guess which particular thing you're referring to?

[@ricrodriguez651]

it's interesting, because it's usually the drummer that's most out of control...

[@donkeydarko77]

Is this a Nick Mason hidey account?

[@Amquacktador]

​@@ricrodriguez651not at all! That's the impression that drummers give, but they see, literally and figuratively, everything from behind

[@GilesMcRiker]

I can see how an autobiography can be interesting, but a "masterpiece"?

[@fuguestatetoo6789]

"he thinks because i quit, he owns the band!" imagine if Syd had said those words when he visited them in the studio, in '73.

[@jeffreyroberts7438]

Waters tried to stop the others working under the name Pink Floyd, that’s the reason for the feud. As a group of four they produced legendary music that will always be relevant. As individuals none has reached those heights. Just a shame that now they are all old they can’t push all that acrimony aside, and get on……..life’s too short!!!

[@roquefortfiles]

Nothing screams ... I am Pink Floyd!!! like trying to legally stop the name from being used. Waters comes off like an egomaniac.

[@sethflix]

You know nothing about it at all. It's about politics, with Roger being a progressive and Gilmour being a conservative.

[@matmckone24]

@@sethflixwhen did he say he was a conservative?

[@matmckone24]

He firmly believes that what he has to say is both important and correct and that everyone needs to agree.

[@mrzmart8996]

For me, The Dark Side of the Moon, was undoubtedly the best of all albums Pink Floyd recorded as a group. I saw The Wall performed live at Earl's Court & got totally blown away by the musical & visual brilliance ..... It was the first live concert I ever went to & , for me, laid down the criteria & standard of how concerts should be - I have not really been impressed by many since. Even though The Wall concert was crafted back in 1980, 40+ years ago, without the stage tech that is available in the present day, it was for me an event that stood out in my youth & will forever remember. Artists can be very difficult personalities to comprehend or to get along with, I've crossed paths with more than a few in my life. As for Pink Floyd it was unfortunate that differences between them couldn't be reconciled & the magic created together as a group was no more.

[@eugenedevere7687]

No it wasn't. You are just pulled in and brainwashed by the hype. Same concept as Sergeant Peppers from Beatles. Even 3/4 Beatles agreed it was not special and many other of their albums were better. WYWH is FAR superior.

[@kerryjoeprom6799]

David is by far the master driving cog in pink Floyd, have you ever heard his guitar, good God it's heavenly. There is no Floyd without David. Period.

[@klausschumacher7126]

​@@eugenedevere7687from your side it wasn't but from the commenting side it was. Be more tolerant....

[@stuartmoore6310]

Meddle

[@macalacalan1175]

Division Bell?

[@HowardRowntree-bh3nv]

I think Nick Mason summed it up best “It’s a constant irritation, really, that he’s still going back to it. I’m hesitant to get too stuck into this one, just because it’s between the two of them rather than me. I actually get along with both of them, and I think it’s really disappointing that these rather elderly gentlemen are still at loggerheads.”

[@RubeyS12]

It’s sad, I love them both, I grew up with Pink Floyd, and will not take sides. They are all highly creative, and passionate, and that is why their music was so breathtakingly magnificent. They all contributed to that beauty, each one of them integral to the success of the band. They’ve both made successful solo careers but there was a magic that happened when they created music together. That Polly Samson could say such ugly things about Roger made me sad and angry. RW is not anti Semitic, nor any of the other things she called him. And then David agreed with her. Shame is all I can say.... one day they’ll all be dead, and this is how it ends.... but life is such that we can’t know what makes people tick. All I know is I love and respect both as humans and musicians.

[@brandonrosen6096]

Like you im a huge fan of Pink Floyd. However, Polly was 1000% correct in identifying RW as an anti-semite. That's because, he is indeed a raging anti-semite. Polly and David are not the only ones who think so either. Many in RW's orbit feel the exact same way.

[@ShreveportJoe]

I've seen Pink Floyd, with and without Roger... David and Roger solo... and, in every instance, thought the performances with David were much better. Plus, I prefer Gilmour's solo albums over Roger's and I think "Momentary Lapse" and "Division Bell" are much better than "The Final Cut". Just my two cents.

[@AudioVile]

Excellent summary of the long-term icons of rock. Thank you!

[@martinfreitas8207]

I was a senior in High School when Dark Side came out. Waters may have had some good ideas, for music and lyrics, but they would have had a very small audience without the musical brilliance of Gilmour and Wright, which shown a searchlight on everything. I could never explain what a shock Money was when I heard it on the radio. Gilmour's solo(s) were like a bomb and raised the bar forever. The lyrics were relatively cute. Not sure why Waters ever bothered singing with Gilmour and Wright in the band, and I've heard him admit that at least Gilmour was a much better singer. As an aside, I think it was a great thing that Wright could finish her career/life touring with Gilmour, considering...

[@klausschumacher7126]

I think that 80% of Pink Floyd fans don't understand the lyrics but they love the music..... As a German I needed a long time to really understand the words and the meaning..... but I loved the music from the first day.

[@28russ]

Her?

[@ReallyOnaRoll]

But Roger Waters' style had become too dark and cynical for my liking, even in Wall, compared to the high and magical style of Gilmour/Wright evidenced in Dark Side and Wish.

[@kevindecker9444]

So was I. I bought the vinly in the UK and still have it today. Ihave all my vinly

[@zOsO0535]

Pink floyd isn't amazing because of their musicianship, their amazing for their allegorical writing mixed with amazing musician ship. If you wanted a band with unmatched musicianship, look at someone like Led Zeppelin. Without waters' brilliant lyrics, floyd wouldn't be floyd.

[@darryllandry9904]

I prefer Gilmour's solo work to Roger's. David makes music. Roger always seems to be more focused on making a statement. When those two resonate you get Pink Floyd. Lennon and McCartney had a similar dynamic. George's solo stuff was the coolest IMO.

[@jbjacobs9514]

Georgie was legend! I will take David's work anyday over Roger's...plus, if we are speaking about humans, David wins by 18888 miles.

[@jlobiafra]

I'd take David's solo albums over Roger's solo stuff but I'd take Roger's solo stuff over Pink Floyd's two albums post roger.

[@jbjacobs9514]

You have a right to your opinion! I love Division Bell, Learning to Fly, High Hopes myself! I love On an Island and Rattle that Lock so much! David has had some awesome tunes. @@jlobiafra

[@georgelucas2571]

Lennon and McCartney were on a different level from Gilmour and Waters. Most of Waters’ and Gilmour’s solo stuff is forgettable, while Lennon and McCartney still managed to make great music after the Beatles.

[@jbjacobs9514]

I think both can be true - I love Gilmour's solo stuff, but let's be honest - is ANYONE close to Lennon, McCartney AND also Harrison when it comes to their solo or collective work? Ringo rocks! hehe@@georgelucas2571

[@danalyze]

Roger Waters wrote my favorite song "Time" He has my respect no matter what

[@ERAwellsy1]

My first memories of Floyd's music were in elementary school. My step father had a home office in the basement where my twin brother and I shared a room and he would play Dark Side and The Division Bell over and over. When I went off to college years later, I had the Pulse live recording CD and played it over and over in my dorm room. Gilmours guitar just doesn't sound like anybody else. His solos on Comfortably Numb are as good as gutair playing gets in my mind!

[@marthaworc7873]

Pink Floyd was one of the greatest bands of all time. was.

[@k.robert6279]

IS,...FUCKWITT,...IS.

[@gerrybernecker1174]

Richard and David sang amazingly well as a duo. Just listen to the song "Echoes"

[@Devon-x1u]

Exactly my thought. And you know it made Roger very Jealous combined with the fact that the 2 were both charming and good looking compared to his deformed face.

[@benharvey1403]

The ego is a wild thing! in humans in general, not just these two. i'm just thankful their collaboration, no matter how challenging, lead to their music being around forever. wonderful things do not come easy.

[@hanysaleh4758]

I personally love music, play, voice, vision and ideas of David and listen to him, and this is not always prevented at the same time that Roger is one of the greatest artists and constant and very skilled attitudes in his music in his music The immortality .. They are very wonderful

[@MrLakelady]

Why can't people just be friends??? There's a war going on. I love them both. Great video :)

[@EyeInTheSkyProductions]

Roger Waters is the genius but they need each other for perfect music. Both great solo but it takes two to tango

[@federicoTM]

This is almost a classical fake reportage , the spirit of this weak , false time , telling again lies on political point of view of corrupted media : All the media mainstream expecially of the west showed in these last years all kind of disinformations and official fake news , but turning up side down ... they started to accuse free social to be dangerous and need to be fully controlled and censored. A new nazism " really" is spreading in Europe ! Roger Waters is unique as rock star and musician to stand for the truth ! David Gilmour gived up this foundametal side of Pink floyd philosopy ( not just rock music) but revolutionary message by music , pictures , words !!!

[@deneel-pk5mb]

These are two personality types that are toxic together. We are all extremely fortunate that they were able to fruitfully collaborate for as long as they did. The main reason they can't fully reconcile is because their differing personality types are motivated by different things, and they're types that finds reconciliation difficult. Waters is the personality type that is motivated by power. The upside is that people of his kind get a lot of stuff done. The downside is that others are battered and bruised along the way. Gilmour is the altruistic, do-gooder type that believes in giving more consideration to others. His decision-making is based more on principle. If one violates that principle, there will be a negative response, undertaken in a more passive-aggressive way. In addition, they're less inclined to forget such wrongs and are more apt to have lingering hurt. Waters' type is less apt to hold on to these feelings long-term, but people like him are more apt to lash out and demand respect. The more aloof Gilmour is inclined to respond with the attitude of, 'if you're going to be a jerk and not behave fairly, I'm not going to bother with you at all.' These are the least compatible personality types together, and they're equally stubborn. Wright and Mason are both personality types that are motivated by peace, and just want to get along. There are a lot of successful relationships and marriages wherein Waters' type (motivated by power) and the motivated-by-peace types complement each other well (think of the infamous tape of Paul McCartney getting on a docile George Harrison's case -- Harrison immediately concedes just to keep the peace). This is why the conflict has always been mainly between Waters and Gilmour, who also happen to be the most creative forces in the band. It's somewhat of a miracle that Pink Floyd was able to accomplish all that they did. The thing about the David Gilmour type of personality is that they will withstand humiliation for years because they always want to give fairness the benefit of the doubt, but there will at last come a point where they will finally set up firm boundaries against someone as insufferable as Roger Waters. And once they're done with such people, they're done. Consider these two divorced, without possibility of reconciliation.

[@MusicMongoose]

Well said.

[@floydfreak-vn2uj]

Agreed. Gilmour inviting Bob Klose to perform on Rattle That Lock is a good example of his personality type. In an interview, Waters said that he didn't know if Klose had continued with music at all, and unlike David, he'd actually been bandmates with Klose.

[@stickman1742]

You think Gilmour is a do-gooder? What a joke. I know Roger spouts off publicly on his thoughts and politics, but that doesn't tell us much about the more private Gilmour. Gilmour wants power, make no mistake about it. He wields control over Floyd very tightly and is happy to block anything Roger wants to do. If David was this mythical do-gooder, he would let Roger do some things on the Floyd website and everyone could get along. Gilmour does not do that.

[@riecher101]

Neither wants to give control to the other. If they could work together and not FOR the other it would work.

[@johnlackey1244]

Alphas and Sigmas are a toxic mix.

[@RichardWright67]

Decades of unwritten music we'll never hear is the saddest part.

[@martinmorris5997]

I just watched another new video of David saying he speaks quite often to Roger on the phone. It’s easy, they love each other and hate each other at the same time, and either one of those love/hate instances occasionally rears it’s head.

[@stefanhoffmann2353]

One sad story behind this long-term conflict between Roger Waters and Dave Gilmour is Richard Wright‘s death of cancer. Being the most humble, sensitive and loyal member of the band, Rick was literally torn apart between what were both friends.

[@harrychapin808]

Rick was NO angel... and he was no stranger to "bobbing for apples" if ya know what I mean. He also had a nasty coke ❄ habit... and not the cola.

[@rft2001]

@@harrychapin808 Rick was a sweet man who was at the core of the Pink Floyd sound. Without his jazz stylings and psychedelic eastern scales, Pink Floyd wouldn't have gone anywhere. Who cares if he had a coke habit? That was his personal issue. Also, he and David wound up getting very close over the years but remained somewhat estranged from Roger, who had consistently bullied him in Pink Floyd. He also loved his children and valued spending time with them many times more than being part of Pink Floyd. I have no idea of what bobbing for apples means and really don't care to know about whatever you are inferring to besmirch Rick's reputation. I'm surprised that someone with a moniker involving Harry Chapin would be so down on Rick. Harry and Rick were both unique and incredibly gifted legends.

[@harrychapin808]

@@rft2001 Stop...will you! I know Rick's X-wife, Frank Wright. She divorced him because he arrived back to the Greek Island they lived on with a groupie GF on his boat... and she was pregnant. He actually showed Franka the woman's pregnant stomach. Franka had just suffered her 4th miscarriage. In 1995 his new groupie-wife gave birth to their son, Ben- the year after Frank divorced him- 1994; so her story makes sense. However, Franka still lives in Wright's shadow for the sake of getting attention from PF fans. She's certainly not the brightest 🔆 bulb 💡 in the room... and doesn't have a nickel to her name. She received next to nothing in the divorce, and when she started mentioning Rick's drug habits, Gilmour became INFURIATED! He didn't want drugs being associated with the PF name. AND Wright was fired from the group (with Gilmour's appoval) during "The Wall" recordings. Bob Ezrin ( the producer), allegedly told Waters, he didn't want Wright in the studio during the sessions anymore, as he was just sitting there all wasted on drugs.. So, when Wright toured with PF he toured as a hired musician... not a member of the band. "Bobbing for 🍏 apples?" 😂 Wright was bisexual according to "you know who." Probably why he liked Greece so much. AND I wouldn't put the name, "HARRY CHAPIN " in the same sentence with the man. HAPPY CHAPIN was the salt of the Earth- the other guy wasn't. REMEMBER, all of the PF members came from upper middle class families and the parents who were WELL EDUCATED... including, "SYD." BUT "SYD" was the humble one. MASON came from a millionaire communist family. ALL members were all PRETENTIOUS NARCISSISTS except SYD). I attribute the downfall of PF to "THE Curse of Syd Barrett." 2 selfish PRICKS argued over the rights to the name, "PINK FLOYD"... that SYD created. I could go on... but I've made my point.

[@robertwhitten265]

Love him or hate him, Rogers is the genius behind the music.

[@tonysoprano9370]

As David said. It’s hard to remain on good terms with someone when they are continually trying to fuck you up

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

Basically.

[@ReallyOnaRoll]

Very much so. Waters' petty move to sue for complete rights against the other band members does indeed merit Gilmour's guardedness of him after that case lost.

[@illegalewahrheiten2911]

Nonsense. Roger carried David for years. Then suddenly when he wants out, David calls it "trying to fuck him up".

[@colinmiller8361]

Who cares who said what or who did this or that, JUST ENJOY THE MUSIC OF ONE OF THE GREATEST BANDS EVER!!!!!!!

[@shauncorless8965]

When egos collide ,, another brick in your heart 😢

[@dolceanstar]

I would, as a child, sit outside All Saint's church hall, with a thermos in the snow, listening to Floyd rehearse before they released an album. They went on to release vinyl and become house band at the UFO. Gilmour wasn't there and they were incredible. After Gilmour joined the band I saw them several times and they were incredible. I think every band I've ever known has had a feud on the burner, fueled by ego and cash.

[@Svijetjeloptasarena]

You took words out of my mouth.Clash of egos and money of course…

[@Astyanaz]

In the late 60s, there was a flowing of musical creativity. We are still living in its shadow. I wish the ones who made it could have stayed together. Cream reunited, Syd with Pink Floyd once again and, oh yes, The Beatles forever.

[@KABModels]

Neither Gilmour nor Waters were responsible for the success. Gilmour, Water, Wright and Mason were responsible for the success. As for the feud, i think Nick hit the nail on the head, Waters does not respect Gilmour, or anyone else for that matter. After Syd left, he tried to make it the Waters Band, and take control, that much is obvious, he then left the band. LEFT. THE. BAND. that means you dont have creative control over anything but that which you were involved in before you left. I think Polly also hit the nail on the head, he absolutely does shout too loudly about a lot of shit. he's a bit like Richie Blackmore, amazing musician, but total shitehouse of a human being.

[@RichardRusiecki-ux3tc]

He stands up for peace and his anti government corruption is always spot on. He actually tries to bring change not just use his platform for popularity. The Bravery of Being Out of Range is prophetic and applies to current events. Written 30 years ago. If you think a person who believes in human rights for all not just a chosen few than maybe it’s you that is a POS.

[@KABModels]

@@RichardRusiecki-ux3tc i Don't. I said he speaks too loudly about a lot of shit. I didn't say everything he speaks about is shit. Get down off your soapbox and stop making strawman arguments.

[@jeffreyheronemus1917]

The thing is the concepts behind all the albums people revel about were Roger's concepts. Even the other members accept that most of the 70's work was Roger's vision. Funny thing to me has always been that the post Waters stuff was just as much a case of David doing the same thing. Kind of traded one dictator for another. Thing being I enjoyed and still enjoy the Water's vision stuff and do not even listen to the David vision stuff. The greatest artists are often the most tortured souls.

[@KevinJames-yg9eu]

​@@RichardRusiecki-ux3tc He stands up for one side that is no less violent or corrupt than the other. His picking the side you personally agree with and shitting endlessly on anybody who disagrees doesn't make him right when both sides are equally wrong.

[@stevestarscream5182]

Wright is the biggest unsung hero of the band

[@NVRAMboi]

As (only) a casual Floyd fan, it comes across to me that Gilmour has mostly kept his (public) "powder dry" while Roger has gone off on a tangent at times, verbally machine-gunning Gilmour, the band and various other subjects. I might be wrong. It appears to me that Gilmour's dignity remains intact while Waters just may not care (how he's perceived anymore). Both are brilliant and it's a bit sad to see it carry on like this. Again...from my distance, I could be very wrong.

[@Azabaxe80]

Dignity, now there's a word for you. In 1984 Eric Clapton was part of of the touring band Waters put together. Waters, being his acerbic self, made public comments about the megastar guitarist he had hired that can only be construed as disrespectful. Clapton, freshly clean and sober, didn't need the money (he went on to release 3 consecutive platinum records the rest of the decade, something I don't believe Waters has ever done on his own) nor the aggravation. But he had signed on to do the first leg of the tour and as a professional, quietly fulfilled his end of the bargain. Eventually Waters apologized, but I don't think his stature in Clapton's eyes could be any lower. David Gilmour once said that if Water worked on his music half as hard as he does on litigation he would be a much more successful musician. I agree. A guy who regularly lives off a piece of work he made 44 yers ago (The Wall), can't be counted on having something musically meaningful to say.

[@chuckhutton5087]

No, I think you are correct. Roger even criticized Alan Parsons ( one of their engineers on DSOTM) for the AP Project performing a concert where Roger didn’t approve. Despite Roger being a political simpleton he should STFU and let others perform where they damn well please. Which is what I think Alan did, to his credit.

[@toneclark7675]

Sad to hear about the feud but thank you all for the music

[@tomchelle1]

When you bring strong politics into your lyrics, it behooves to make sure your bandmates mostly agree with your positions

[@richardmathews6236]

Or at least move on and acknowledge that publically that it was a phase eg Ayn Rand reference on 2112 sleevenotes

[@layladystay]

(Its called "having convictions")

[@tomchelle1]

@@layladystay you’re a genius!! It is crystal clear to me now. Thank you

[@RSimoes10]

Gilmour and Waters, Lennon and McCartney, Marr and Morrissey, Joey and Johnny Ramone, Sumner and Hook, even Ian Anderson and Martin Barre are no longer in speaking terms. Some of the most incredible partnerships in rock have ended in personal feuds. Geniuses tend to struggle with each other, it gets to a point in which everything explodes.

[@Snapper2110]

Even Paul Mac would find difficulty, being on speaking terms with Lennon!

[@manofbeard]

Yeah and don’t forget Sheldon and Leonard 😂

[@sebastiankraft9977]

@@manofbeard and Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel

[@sebastiankraft9977]

and the Oasis brothers

[@RSimoes10]

@@sebastiankraft9977 but with the Gallaghers only one is a genius, the other is just a pretty average singer ;)

[@KidFresh71]

The other day, upon some mid-life self reflection, I realized: wow, all my favorite musical acts are British rockers. The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, Queen, The Police, David Bowie, Elton John, The Clash, Fleetwood Mac (what a top 10!) And now, just to make you hate me, honorable mention to: Adam Ant, Duran Duran, Phil Collins and ColdPlay. In fact, the only non-UK musical artists that I would include amongst my Top 20 favorites would be: Bob Marley, ABBA, Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson. Thanks for your great content, and letting me prattle on... subscribed!

[@loafdad]

I like all those too

[@u4icdissonance180]

Now go listen to Porcupine Tree and add the best British Rock group of the past 20 years to your list. Stupid Dream is a great album to start with :)

[@RockChick63174]

Wow, you missed out on a lot. 😂

[@mikestein1024]

No ZZ Top? No AC/DC ? No journey?? And the second part of your list sucks lol 😂

[@Contessa6363]

Hmmmm many disagreements on your list. Especially Fleetwood Mac and MJ. Aerosmith is as good as it gets for the US. You also didn't mention the Talking Heads, Ramones, X Killing Joke

[@Chris-NZ]

Pink Floyd is the music that most resonates with my entire life, I started work in ‘73 to the sound of Dark Side and ended in ‘16 walking to work with Gilmours Rattle that Lock in my headphones. The fact that Gilmour and Waters don’t get on these days is just one of those things, there’s nothing that says you have to like everyone forever , just look at the divorce rate. I just love the music, to me it’s ageless and if I have anything to do with it I want High Hopes played at my funeral if nothing for Gilmours masterful and haunting slide work towards the end. On balance from the personality point of view I’m in the Gilmour camp. 😀 Cheers from the opposite side of the world.

[@khackett7]

They were magic together, and so legendary. One would think they were better off together than apart, but goes to show how powerful egos can be.

[@tokyoarrow]

Definitely in Dave’s camp over Roger. Dave kept the other members together and made multiple great albums after Roger’s departure, and had a run of great solo albums too. Roger had his concept album of the wall which while a commercial success, I personally see as their weakest work - with the standout exception of comfortably numb which was Gilmour’s only contribution to be allowed by Roger into the album. After Roger left he seemed to be obsessed in breaking up the band despite their ongoing success without him, and his interactions both with the band as a public figure have been nothing short of weird. He seems to have done deep seated mental issues and a sense of unbearable hubris.

[@Daniel_Rodrigues_89]

Yeah, people usually forget in this debate that the band wasn't made of two guys, but four. The fact that they continued together without 1/4 of them should be reason more than enough of a reason to tell who is "more" PF than who. The ones who disagree are Waters' fans, not PF's.

[@coptotermes]

I have enjoyed Pink Floyd’s music since I was a young teen. I have no idea what songs Waters wrote or had a major influence on. Personally I enjoy David’s voice more and he is such a wonderfully talented guitarist. David’s voice I think is one of the most recognisable and distinctive things.

[@DANIELNUMBNUTS]

I agree with you 💯

[@PJmusica]

Im on David Gilmour's side but I'd still go see Roger Waters in concert. I think overall, David Gilmour is more talented. Better voice, amazing guitarist and more than capable of writing great songs.

[@nataliadanilov5500]

Creative people are vulnerable, so it is better to judge them by their deeds and evaluate their views over time👍😀

[@stephenwilliams3807]

I've been a litigation lawyer for nearly 40 years and I can tell you one thing with absolute certainty. The truth in any dispute is inevitably somewhere in the middle. They're undoubtedly both to blame in some way. The fact is that Pink Floyd created the most beautiful and lyrical rock music that has ever been recorded. Just listen to Shine On You Crazy Diamond...They all did it, together, and that music would never have existed but for the creative contribution of all of them, Waters, Gilmour, Wright and Mason (and Sid Barrett).

[@rossheard9446]

Every band, every relationship, every family....goes through bittersweet times and sometimes they don't make it to the other side together, such is life. But much like a broken family sometimes they can still produce amazing miracles, like children for example or in this case ....music. And they did just that. Good looking kids I would say so good job!! Cheers.

[@tonypoore440]

I like your analogy here. They indeed had mighty fine children.

[@gabespiro8902]

I’m a bigger fan of Roger but I have to admit it’s his ego causing a lot of this. I’ve often found it weird when there’s a member of a band who demands total creative control, to me part of being a band is the collaboration. Like if you want to run the whole thing, go solo. And honestly, the band was great because it was different elements from each member coming together

[@patc1964]

He had complete control of the "Final Cut" and it sucks. Richard Wright also left before that album was made.

[@gabespiro8902]

@@patc1964 I think Rick was out during production on the Wall and was only credited as a session musician Goes to show how much of a tyrant Roger is

[@raymondharp6900]

​@@patc1964all the final cut was is bundle of songs that didn't make it for the Wall. "The Final Cut" . Considering Roger Waters wrote almost all of the Wall. He wanted leave directly after but by contract conditions could not. He gave them "the Final Cut" and said goodbye.

[@joes.2788]

It's so obvious that Waters was jealous and threatened by Gilmour. Gilmour all the way for me!

[@Driver2616]

The last three albums, those without Roger, have few weak moments. In fact, I find them to be excellent. And to reinforce my point, I can quite happily listen to Obscured By Clouds (an album Roger is on) followed straight away by A Momentary Lapse Of Reason. They’re different but equally excellent.

[@matthewlawton9241]

Waters thought he was the whole band, is the thing. He entirely discounted the excellent musicianship of the rest. That's a goddamn shame. Ego killed old Pink Floyd, but the trick is, Pink Floyd didn't actually NEED Roger Waters. Would have been better with him, in a more adult, enlightened form, but what we got is genuinely excellent. And I take a deep degree of shadenfreude knowing Waters will ALWAYS have to live with the success of Momentary Lapse of Reason and The Division Bell.

[@chuckhutton5087]

Very well said, my sentiments exactly!

[@JesusGomez-ob2qt]

​@matthewlawton9241 saying they didn't need him is ridiculous considering it was Roger who was the driving force behind "Dark Side of the Moon, wish you were here, animals and the Wall" all of which are Pink Floyd's most famous and acclaimed records

[@amandarose4469]

I've always considered there to be 4 phases of Pink Floyd. The Syd phase, the phase leading up to Darkside of the Moon where they were a balanced band, after Darkside where Rogers took over and when Gilmour picked up the pieces.

[@Driver2616]

@@amandarose4469 : Yes, very interesting. I like that. And probably as accurate a way of looking at it as any…

[@ricknorris1466]

The greatest Album of all time DSOTM was created when the 4 were 1. Enough said.

[@fatlegsdaffy9133]

It really is the goat!

[@puapo1]

Roger is always on the right side of the history, he gives the revel soul to pinkfloyd which obviously is an important part of the band

[@vandelayindustries6313]

Imagine saying on the internet that a Kleptocrat like Putin who stole Billions from his people, assassinates his opposition, and invades neighbor countries by force is on the right side of history. It's fascinating that real human beings on that spectacular level of unrestrained idiocy of yours are even allowed to exist on this planet.

[@jamesdaniels3699]

I'm a fan of both sides of Pink Floyd, Roger and David.

[@PeterPanQuails]

If I want to be lectured with all those left wing political ideology, the I would side with RW. But I am a simple man who just love to hear beautiful music, so I am with DG.

[@layladystay]

Yea, simple pink floyd, very passive 🙄

[@vandelayindustries6313]

None of Water's nonsense is left wing ideology, he's as right as they come but in complete denial about it. That's what makes these people dangerous.

[@superlynx98]

i wish the two of them would just get over it already!!! PLEASE make a song together, the world NEEDS this right now

[@danbarrette9888]

David is successful in all aspects of life. Roger is only successful when he is part of someone else’s success.

[@henkestenke]

As an entity, they are unstoppable, but on their own, they are just good musicians. No one can play the guitar like David and no one can write a lyric like Roger. I’ve enjoyed both of their solo albums, and the ‘re-imagining’ of Dark Side is actually quite good. Nowhere near the original but nothing is really. I’m not taking any sides in this feud. Prime example of what money can do.

[@justinw1765]

Money and *ego.*

[@TherealHazlett]

I’m usually on Syd’s side, but I have to take Roger’s side on a lot of it.

[@giuliograndi5199]

Roger is behind the major masterworks of Pink Floyd. But I love even PF in the post-Waters era, as well as Roger's solo albums.

[@francescopaoletti8953]

Capolavori grazie al Signor David Gilmour!

[@gioabodcr799]

Rogers senza Gilmour non riesce a fare capolavori

[@basedbear1605]

No. ALL the band members were behind the major masterworks of PF. Roger just wrote the majority of the lyrics, he was a mediocre musician at best, the other 3 far surpassed him in terms of musical talent. It was a TEAM effort, but he thought he was superior and he wasn't at all.

[@biancaturner725]

why do we still need to discuss this?

[@todddickinson3262]

Roger Waters was otherworldly, but only when he had the magic of David Gilmour to turn his ideas into reality. Just look at the material each has produced after the split, and there’s really no argument for who’s had more success. I can’t name a single Waters song post PF, but i can certainly recall a ton of Gilmour’s.

[@WarwickFry]

I'd say it was the reverse. Roger's ideas impinged on political realities that Gilmore couldn't handle, wanted to stay in the mystical dreamworld of musical sounds. Waters recognises that sound alone is not enough. That was too much for Gilmore to handle. Has he addressed, countered, or explained his objections to Water's politics, or is he afraid of an open debate?

[@Devon-x1u]

You mean his political anti semitism?@@WarwickFry

[@WarwickFry]

@@Devon-x1u non existent except in the minds of trolls

[@evertonfc5380]

Waters lost whether you or he liked it or not. The other members continued the band and made a success of it when Waters thought he was the irreplaceable member of the band. He was a key player but not as influential as he thought. As a quartet, may be a little harsh but only Mason was replaceable. Pink Floyd would never have been the global force without Waters, Gilmour or Wright. But had Gilmour left in 1985, there is no way Waters and the others would have produced a Division Bell level album.

[@ElectricKnight.]

@@evertonfc5380 No matter who you may prefer, you have to realize, whoever had the NAME "Pink Floyd" was going to have greater popularity/success. The success that they had as Pink Floyd, together, could carry any members using that name, afterward, for several lifetimes. And I am not knocking any of the members for this. It's just the truth. ❤ Name and brand recognition is paramount. Of course, look at the amazing success of Roger's The Wall tour. Pretty damn successful, but, again, The Wall is significant name and brand recognition (it was also an INCREDIBLE production!).

[@InfectiousGroovePodcast]

As I watched Live8, I seriously thought they'd just go their seperate ways afterward and things would be peaceful until everyone passed away. It's been such a bummer to see everything go the way it has since then.

[@jlobiafra]

Go watch that concert again and watch their body language. You can see there was still bad blood between them.

[@InfectiousGroovePodcast]

I still enjoyed it though@@jlobiafra

[@jlobiafra]

@@InfectiousGroovePodcast so did I.

[@marklangley7758]

Grew up listening to Pink Floyd, an uncle had Dark Side of the Moon and I remember him telling me it had just been released. Up to that point music really didn't mean anything to me. I played that album to death. Same with Wish You Were Here, fell in love with both on first hearing. The music, lyrics, the weirdly secretive members and the rumours were all Pink Floyd. They just were, and I'm really happy about that.

[@markbelcher2754]

Typically if you leave something, especially if it's your choice, whether it's a job or a friend, it normally means you are gone and all rights to return are off the table and purely up to whoever is remaining.

[@thebreakfastmenu]

"He thinks that because I quit" Stop right there, Rog. You quit. David didn't. If this were an unemployment office, they'd deny Roger. He relinquished his right to control his previous work with a former employer, i.e. the record label and band he worked with. I dunno why he doesn't seem to understand that 40 years later.

[@EricTheRed50]

Pink Floyd is an iconic rock band..Roger and David are both extremely gifted musicians! I'm just gonna enjoy the gold that is Pink Floyd..their music is pure magic! The infighting means absolutely nothing to me!

[@dodgebob1]

All I know is there are 243 songs that pink Floyd did and I love every single one....even the tapes that Syd did when Syd did cid.. Every time I hear comfortably numb I hit repeat .

[@steffanmaximum]

Pink Floyd were heavily influenced by Dirk McQuickly's post Rutles band, Punk Floyd. The Rutles changed the world with their music, and especially their first film, "A Hard Days Rut".

[@plembonicities6263]

The problem was Roger Waters.

[@HalETosis]

It’s so sad that such a great group was broken up by egos. None of us do what we do alone and it takes true greatness to create what Pink Floyd created. Roger is a great lyricist but the others played a huge part it making it musically phenomenal.

[@basedbear1605]

It wasn't broken up by egoS... it was broken up by ONE ego... Roger's. The rest of the band got along famously.

[@andyjackson2901]

Correction. You seem to think that Roger only began to captain the ship after DSOTM. No, he did so right after they ditched Syd and kept on doing so. There’s also this weird misconception running through most PF fans, and this video, that Roger simply worked on lyrics and “concepts”, whereas it was somehow David and Richard that were responsible for the musical side of things. This too is wrong. Roger was also wrote the vast majority of the music too. David and Richard were undoubtedly great on their instruments and David a good vocalist, but by no means were either of them brilliant song writers. In fact the number of songs that David wrote as solo credit for PF prior to Roger’s deepest were… 4? The Narrow Way Fat Old Sun Childhood’s End Spanish Piece

[@andiman45]

Thank you Roger.... now go away

[@basedbear1605]

/r whoooooooosh

[@gauloiseguy]

And see how that ended. Not to disrespect Waters, but Gilmour wrote plenty after or without Waters. It should tell you enough about the dynamics between them without choosing sides. Being someone who prefers the musical and especially melodical side of music, puting lyrics second as I see music as a universal language of the soul, I much prefer the writing and music of Gilmour. I couldn't give a rats arse as to who wrote the lyrics as they come second. It doesn't matter though, as it's opinion and it yours differ it's as valid as mine.

[@realmackle]

They arent whole without each other. As much as they may quarrel that's just the truth

[@markstevens1729]

Roger being an arrogant grump, albeit a talented one, and Dave being a musically inspired, lyrically bereft musician/snob. Dave and Richard were the advanced musicians, Roger the lyric mill overflowing with grist. Didn’t know how good a thing they had together. Beatles also missed this amazing truth. The Stones are the most practical of all, perhaps of all time.

[@wordup897]

The Stones were boring though. They didn't create anything original but took other's ideas from blues to country to psychedelic to disco.

[@markstevens1729]

@@wordup897 well, it’s true their roots are the simpler blues to the more far reaching musical influences of Beatles and Floyd, but face it, they did plenty with those roots. I’m not the biggest Stones fan, but their catalog is full of very inventive melodies and subjects. The musicianship is deceptively accomplished (for rock/blues) and their ability to keep the act together is the practicality that has made them legendary artists.

[@georgelucas2571]

The Rolling Stones are not even in the same league as Pink Floyd and the Beatles. The Stones have been together for over 60 years and they haven’t made a good album since the 70s.

[@iammrbadguy9706]

@@georgelucas2571 I would disagree. Also, simple works and if a band works, then that is not ideal, if the ideas aren´t AVANGUARD but better than no band at all.

[@dante340]

One of the biggest disconnects that I've noticed: Roger Waters seems to believe that lyricism and thematic concepts matter above all else when it comes to crafting music. And that's fine, a lot of music fans/listeners feel that way as well. But not everyone shares that same sentiment. For some listeners (including myself), the musicality is the more powerful force (chords, melodies, harmonies, instrumentation, etc.) Waters views musicians as more or less interchangeable and because of this, I suspect he has a difficult time recognizing the unique musical contributions of his bandmates that helped make Pink Floyd a household name. He's mostly only able to recognize his own contributions of lyricism because it's his primary wheelhouse/ field of expertise (That and a bit of ego as well lol).

[@illegalewahrheiten2911]

Where was this "musicality" after Roger left the band?

[@patc1964]

Is that you David? I actually heard Gilmour say this in an interview . Roger was great at concepts and lyrics but bad at musicality.

[@federicoTM]

This is almost a fake video , telling again lies on political point of view of corrupted media : All the media mainstream expecially of the west showed in these last years all kind of disinformations and official fake news , but turning up side down ... they started to accuse free social to be dangerous and need to be fully controlled and censored. A new nazism " really" is spreading in Europe ! Roger Waters is unique as rock star and musician to stand for the truth ! David Gilmour gived up this foundametal side of Pink floyd philosopy ( not just rock music) but revolutionary message by music , pictures , words !!!

[@evertonfc5380]

​@@illegalewahrheiten2911The Division Bell being the main example

[@larrylong9367]

I agree with all you said. There are two forces that made Pink Floyd who they were ... The concepts and lyrics (story-lines), and the musicians ... I have all of Rogers' work since his departure. I love all of it. PF without Roger, ... I like their work, but not as much as Roger's ... although, I listen to both and wouldn't want to miss anything they do. I also like Roger as a 'showman' ... his moves, his emphasis's, I think he's terrific. His politics, I could do without. However, more recently, he made fun of himself... There's something on KZbin, done in maybe the last 5 or 6 years ... That I enjoyed very much. And the 'set' ... The set was a dark + ... Two walls forming a 'cross' ... each used to receive the video ... and perfectly suited for all the audience to see ... I thought it was quite innovative ... All in all, we, the audience are the winners, for as long as they both continue to produce, and I will always be there to listen.

[@YW86-de5yz]

Team Gilmour here.

[@Horseluvver]

....divided we fall

[@brianwalker6849]

David Gilmore who else can there be . Roger never got over the fact that the band carried on with out him .