2019 Honda Talon 1000R on 32" Tires VS 2019 RZR Turbo S on the rocks

We took the 2019 Honda Talon 1000R and the 2019 Polaris RZR Turbo S down to Moab, UT for the 2019 Discount Tire Rally On The Rocks to do some testing on our flaps and see how the Talon does on the Rocks. We added some Method Wheels with the new Bead Grip Technology and some HUGE 32" Tensor Tires and wanted to see how well they did. We had some great rides with friends from Kurt's Offroad, Gforce Offroad and MOTOMAN!

[@scottreynolds2466]

thing about the Honda is 20 years from now , it will still be going!

[@fallenboy169]

Literally haven't even watched the video yet an already liked it because this is the type of content I've been trying to find for the talon. Thank you!

[@Rokblokz]

Very kind of you, thank you! It was more of a family adventure than a direct comparison but I hope you like still.

[@fallenboy169]

@@Rokblokz good video I like the look of that fast back cage on the turbo s, slick!

[@jerrydavis645]

Wow! Everything just so shiny and clean! Nice vid

[@adamwestbrook4154]

Great video, fun with the family is what it’s about!

[@Rokblokz]

I totally agree ;)

[@riverrat306]

No Rocks where I'm from, looks fun to everyone but the 2 guys not getting to ride. Great video on the i4wd. Looks like it works in the rocks!

[@matthewmilam286]

Honda is making waves in the world of SXS lol its about time

[@nickh3344]

Looks like the Talon does great. Pretty impressive! Now you need to buy the turbo when it comes out this fall!

[@Rokblokz]

I think this machine with a turbo would be amazing! We'll see when it's actually released.

[@dbmiller5881]

great sample of Honda's abilities and traction system. Looked like a very fun outing as well! However.... I found the total lack of helmets, especially for the kids, disturbing...

[@jadebylund7061]

So does California. Remember you have the right to be stupid in this country.

[@markmetzger1697]

You would be safer if you drove your car with a helmet on, but you don't.

[@donnienoble2326]

It’s none of your business if they choose to wear helmets or not!

[@88joshuajohnathan]

@@markmetzger1697 You aren't rock crawling in a car you stupid bitch.

[@88joshuajohnathan]

@@donnienoble2326 It's a public forum so yeah, he can have an opinion

[@beatbyme]

Nothing like the smell of burning belts in the morning. Bought my talon today 🤘😎

[@gregparrott]

An 'R' or an 'X' ?? Also, does it come with a winch and if not, does Honda offer one?

[@09ionboy]

R and honda has an option winch not standard

[@650ic6]

Third party winches also fit.

[@bobbyb608]

Did the tensor tires on the Honda perform really well in the rocks? Everyone around me runs roxxzillas (I’ve ran roxxzillas in the past) and I’m just trying to be different

[@Rokblokz]

They did ok. The roxzilla is definitely a better rock tire. The Braven Berserker is kind of cool and a bit different. We ran those on the rocks for a while and they did better than the tensor.

[@luvmysuperduty]

I’m a Polaris owner...........it looks like they should be VERY worried!! Honda is in the house. I’ve seen a few at dealerships and the fit and finish is way beyond Polaris!! It looks like the performance is on par with the quality.

[@jasonstevens4192]

luvmysuperduty , agree 100%, no spare belts needed is huge. All capable machines but I do see some advantages to ride red, previous Rzr owner here.👍

[@Allinoffroad]

Hahhahahaha please the talon is a 2014 rzr lol that whole dct transmission is a joke no more power to the ground and if you break it , it wont be as easy as throwing in a belt

[@luvmysuperduty]

All I’m saying is I have sat in more than 1 and the fit and finish is SO far above Polaris or anyone else.

[@Allinoffroad]

@Matthew Hoopes Ok so not saying its bad all im saying is that it doesn't provide a true advantage. It doesnt put down any more power to the ground( dyno proven) . If your running larger tires which most of us do you break a gear its a expensive and timely repair. Its cool but its more of a sales point then a better alternative. You can get a base rzr turbo for the same 20k ( north east price) so just not seeing it sorry

[@Allinoffroad]

@Matthew Hoopes You are 100% correct about ride what makes you happy!!! And i do agree with not needing a turbo in the northeast but hey sometimes you gotta have bragging rights over your buddies😁👍as long as your out riding is what really matters

[@chrisvff]

for the red Honda Talon, what kind of steering wheel is that? it does not look stock and it also looks like a removable steering wheel. i just recently got a 2021 Honda talon and LOVE it

[@alwaysoutdoors7001]

How do you compare machines with newbies driving?

[@MistahLaa808]

Thinking bout that Talon over the razor. Do they have a 4 seater?

[@Rokblokz]

Yep, Honda just released it 2 days ago!

[@MistahLaa808]

🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯 have you done a review on a 4 seater?

[@Rokblokz]

No, not sure if we'll get our hands on one...they look pretty cool though.

[@ronbowman4145]

They do now.

[@GERONIMO326]

Considering a new 21 live valve Talon R. Or a Turbo S RZR, or a new KRX, i live in Tennessee near Royal Blue, WinRock, etc. Lots of rocks, and hill climbing, would put 32s on the Talon if purchased. What would you recommend?

[@Rokblokz]

Hey Jordan! Wow, those are 3 very different machines...if money doesn't matter I'd probably go with the turbo s, thats a really great machine with lots of power. Between the other 2 I prefer the krx over the talon. And for the price the krx is hard to beat, but not enough power for the dunes IMHO if thats an issue.

[@GERONIMO326]

@@Rokblokz is reliability a factor for the turbo s or the krx? On par with the Talon?

[@GERONIMO326]

@@Rokblokz also, if you don't mind my asking, what do you prefer over the others over the Talon? In other words what do you not like about the Talon?

[@Rokblokz]

@@GERONIMO326 The Honda and the kawai both will probably be a bit longer lasting than the polaris...BUT...We've owned a bunch of rzrs and have had 0 issues with them. I think the turbo s is probably the best all around machine on the market today, it just does everything really well. Shifting the Honda is fun for sure but the car is just slow. But so is the krx, however, in the rocks the krx is amazing. The clutching is by far the best out there currently and the suspension design will handle high speed much better than the Honda too, just takes a minute to get there, ha ha. Between the talon and krx I think its personal preference...mine being the kawai. But again, if price isn't the issue, I'd do the turbo s. Especially the dynamix models, that stuff works awesome! In fact, we currently have 2 of them.

[@Rokblokz]

Actually...if price REALLY isn't an issue then the pro xp with a full long travel build is the best car currently. That may change by the end of the year though 😉

[@gplays69]

Great video ! what size wheels and offset on talon? spacers used ? thanks!

[@Rokblokz]

Thanks! They're 15" with a 4-3 offset, no spacers. It actually makes the rear end about 2" narrower than the front which I didnt notice from a handling perspective but you can see it visually if you look close. I may try some spacers in the rear just so I can run the same size wheel and tire all the way around.

[@SegoMan]

@@Rokblokz That's what I did to the wild cat, 1 spare fits all corners..

[@prorider6997]

Great video guys.

[@Rokblokz]

Thanks!

[@dannycardin8966]

Hey guys I know this video is a year old but I was wondering how the talon is holding up. Are you still running 32s and is the trans still shifting as good as day one. Great videos thanks for sharing.👍👍

[@Rokblokz]

We actually sold it earlier this year and bought the krx1000. Everything was running great when we sold it!

[@dannycardin8966]

@@Rokblokz just curious why you sold it. Thanks for the reply.👍

[@Rokblokz]

Mostly because we needed to get the krx...having said that...I like the krx a bit better. They're both way under powered but I think the krx is a better platform for rockcrawling and the suspension is definitely better at high speed, once it gets there. The honda is cool too though and is fun to drive.

[@dannycardin8966]

@@Rokblokz isn’t the krx quite a bit bigger at least it looks like it and I do know it weighs more. In your opinion do you think the Honda would make a good trail machine or is there another machine you would recommend more.Sorry for so many questions I’m just trying to pick at your expertise. Thanks so much for the replies it’s greatly appreciated.👍👍

[@patd4u2]

Sick looking Blue RZR Turbo S. 72 width looks a little wide for rock crawling, she did a great job first time out. Just noticed you are advertising mudflaps. I looked on Amazon for them, what size is on the Turbo S? the mud or standard size, I have a 2018 XP 1000-4

[@Rokblokz]

Thanks! Yeah she had a lot of fun! The ones in the vid are these rokblokz.com/collections/utv-mud-flaps-1/products/polaris-rzr-turbo-s-the-beast-mud-flaps We also have a new version that are identical to these but a bit narrower for the non-72" machines, they'd look great. But they're not on our site quite yet, you have to email us for them. [e-mail]

[@patd4u2]

Thanks!, I like the accent they have, I might be ordering the ones for the 1000XP-4 very soon with the Red accent. Need something to keep the mud from getting into the RZR

[@bryan2511]

Any idea on the kit to mount the LED light bar below the roof on the Talon?

[@Rokblokz]

Yeah we make those light bar brackets, we just havent listed them yet . Send us an email and we can get you a set.

[@backspace4093]

Honda is looking good.

[@wvantiques1611]

Do the chickens have large talons? LOL

[@kdiddy7076]

Great video. The best part was seeing another kid hate Disneyland.😂

[@behudna51]

What music is that. Honda w/turbocharged. 4 seater soon

[@SouthwestORV]

Great vid

[@Rokblokz]

Thanks!

[@DFlores6073]

Looks like an awesome place to ride...where is this place, I live in Houston so I never see rock crawling like that.

[@Rokblokz]

Moab Utah. It was during the Rally On The Rocks, a utv event. Thousands of people from all over the country come to ride, it's pretty cool. You should come check it out next year.

[@benharris2490]

Good video but comparing 4 seater to a shorter 2 seater. I'm also a talon owner

[@Rokblokz]

Yeah, it's not really meant to be a direct comparison, just a fun vid having a good time with family and good friends and a couple of cool machines. ;)

[@stillgonasendit2604]

The Honda is getting more and more hype around it, but I just can't get all jacked up over it... IDK it's just not me I guess.

[@Randy_84]

That talon is so underpowered

[@TheJamesthunda]

Naw. He’s gotta be a can am guy cuz Polaris don’t make much in the hp battle 😎

[@Randy_84]

@@TheJamesthunda naw.. I don't have an can-am. Read previous comment (I own a talon and rzr). I'm actually going to sell the rzr and get an X3. I just out a turbo on the talon. Makes a huge difference.

[@zdr93523]

I just ran my stock Talon all over Moab last weekend including rock climbing with Jeeps, modified sxs, running trails faster than the other sxs, and up (and down) a mountain trail to 10,600 ft with no issues.

[@Randy_84]

@@zdr93523 not saying there would be any issues. But for my liking, it's under powered. My neighbor has one(4 seater) and he put a tune and a big ass turbo.. it's amazing. But I don't want to buy something that requires me to drop another $4-6k to get it where I want. 🤷‍♂️

[@64jazdude]

On the first obstacle the Talon has too much air pressure in the tires.

[@Rokblokz]

Yeah its true, a little less air pressure would have helped. Those aren't the best tires for rock crawling either, more of a desert tire.

[@jasond1245]

Looks like the i4x4 system work pretty good.

[@Rokblokz]

We did a couple different trails that week and I was really impressed with how well the talon did rock crawling.

[@nathonsmithson3024]

the i4x4 is not really tested rock crawlin. traction is at near perfect. its more of a test off suspension. mud and dirt are wear a limited slip shows its limitations.

[@jasond1245]

@@nathonsmithson3024 time will tell if I had my choice I would have preferred a locker or Detroit style locker like torq locker

[@nathonsmithson3024]

@@jasond1245 the good thing about a limited slip is it doesnt break parts. but it sometimes doesnt go is the bad thing.

[@nathonsmithson3024]

@@jasond1245 plus anytime you use brakes to make a limited slip lock you lose power with friction. fyi this is not hi tech. its basically like putting your e brake on when your truck is stuck to trick it into thinking traction is equal so it will spin both tires.

[@pushpushlambert8079]

I love Honda . But what a bullshit comparison . Make this fair . For Polaris as well . I've ridden and owned every brand at one time or another . How would Hondas Talon 4 passenger do against a two seater RZR ? Leave the word Testing out and just say having fun in Moab .

[@nanate8190]

Two types of wheeling. Western and eastern. . You can definitely tell these guys are westerners. 3, 4, 5 even 6 spotters to help drivers pick a line for a series of small bumps.

[@gregparrott]

You've obviously not driven in Moab, or you'd know not to overgeneralize. Depending on group size, experience, play vs. sport, and familiarity with the trail, you'll just as easily have no spotters, including on trails tougher than what's shown here. Same goes for the 'King of the Hammers' (KOH) race, with much rougher courses often run with no spotters. 2020 KOH excerpt: (Excuse the editor's annoying background music:) kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqO1YomtZtCgsK8

[@jimp9884]

I liked your video, looked like very responsible wheeling. Just got back from Moab and I was amazed at the uneducated and irresponsible people in Razors. The new off roaders need help before they get BLM land closed. Do not take this as an attack, I just want people to realize the trails do not need to be widened and switchbacks don't need new short cuts. Also why would anyone do donuts in the fragile vegetation. Please learn the rules and regulation before going off road or we will lose access to BLM land or be under NP rules which prohibit UTV's and ATV's (and any variation of them).

[@FreakyT333]

Jim P Agreed, just came back from moab, 2 different irresponsible drivers about head on'd us around a corner running too fast cutting in on the wrong side of the trail. Don't get me started about all the dirt bikers... Every place I ride there always some asshat db riders ripping around at mach 5 tearing off trail to get around everyone. If you wanna go crazy go to the middle of the dunes and have at it, that crap isn't for crawling/scenic trails.

[@jimp9884]

@@FreakyT333 One of our group was caught on a ledge coming down the beginning of poison spider and a Razor could not wait. After bouncing around and almost hitting him trying to pass on the ledge, he backed off and made a NEW trail up switch back. The rest started up and very loud and animated stay put stopped them. When we got down they had no idea what our problem was!!!!. ( I know, up has the right of way, but we were in the middle of the ledge when they roared up the trail and they had no idea who had the right of way anyway) As far as the dirt bikes, regular ATV's and UTV's, they were pretty tame by comparison. It's to bad but this was likely the last time we go to Moab, it's no longer worth it. We have been going about once a year for over 20 years, missed it last year and really sadden by what we saw this year. Hope it's not the trend for the rest of the country because it will end the public land use for 4X4's.

[@wipatriot510]

At what point to they stop being UTV's and start becoming something else...???

[@jusdsun8319]

Great video, but that sideways kick crawling up rocks always makes me cringe.

[@Dive-Bar-Casanova]

Thumbs up

[@kikzamo1070]

I want a Honda 🤗

[@jamesc7925]

I can’t believe people still buy the garbage Polaris makes

[@danielellisporter]

This looks like my nightmare.

[@bryanwilson6020]

At 5.20 thats not the drivers fault thats the stupidity of the i 4wd system ill take a locker any day over that junk set up

[@Rokblokz]

Yeah. The talon did way better than I expected but I've really been having fun with the krx. That thing is a crawler!

[@perditionluc]

You'll also be replacing lots of axels...

[@prestongriffin416]

come on use your head wear a helmet ,guess you don't care about you child in the the other side show him the correct way to enjoy this sport safely.

[@cobyporschifer221]

WTF ? YOUR TELLING SOME LADY TO SEND IT ! IN THE ROCKS WITH A YOUNG KID IN THE BACK AND NO HELMET ! LAME TOTAL LACK OF ADULT SUPERVISION SAD

[@jadebylund7061]

Everyone was fine Gavin Newsome. I know some people can't walk and chew gum at the same time but we don't need to hold everybody's hands

[@matthewmilam286]

Honda is making waves in the world of SXS lol its about time