Roland TD-27 | The eDW Originals Premium Custom Kits Download | Sound Expansion Pack with Samples

[@phasA100]

I have now used youre yamaha custom kit in 10 different Live Situations and not only me but my whole band is completely convinced. These core-Samples are AMAZING! I changed a bit on the Crash Cymbals, the Room, the Overheads and after accepting the quiet stage, perfecting the inEar-mix for the band and buying much better monitors for our Singer and Saxophon-player everyone is soooooo happy! Thank you very much! You are a hero!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Wow, thank you so much for this feedback and the kind words! 🙏 I'm really glad that these kits have worked for your needs and that you and your bandmates are enoying them!

[@Markfoster01]

That first kits sounds bloody good.. nice bit of room eq.

[@TAHHGREEN]

Downloaded last night. Can't wait to add to my module on Sat when I'll be using my TD-27KV2 live for the first time.

[@OnkeWagner]

That Yamaha kid is one of the best i've ever played on electronic drums. Awesome work, thank you!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you so much 🙏

[@marcgoodman4879]

I purchased my TD27 for live play and was not thrilled with the stock sounds but persevered anyway. NOT AYMORE! These kits have transformed my Roland. I only use the dry kits without reverb and I run the module out of all 4 outputs separating the BD, SD, TOMS & CYMBALS so I can get total control over EQ and levels. Then run it to a Peavy 15" Dark Matter speaker. WOW! I honestly didn't think the kit could sound this good. These are now my GO-TO kits for most all of my playing. Luke, you are the man!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Wow, thank you for the great review of the kits Marc! I'm really glad you're enjoying them and it's great to hear that you're getting the results you want live!

[@ChaDrumss]

I was looking for some cool Custom Kits, and just found'em!! Will add them to my kit tomorrow, and we'll check how it goes!! But by the comments section here, I'm ready to kick ass live with my kit 😎

[@CeciShaw]

Purchased and loaded on my VAD506, sounds amazing! love the Yamaha Dry. made a copy and adjusted a couple of things and bingo! Ready for the stage. I've been gigging with my made up settings but my samples were not as high quality as yours. This pack is worth every penny! Thanks!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Wow, thank you! Really glad you like them, hope the gigs go well!

[@TheBlocos77]

I just tried it, I love the toms of the Remo Encore with Modern processed, it 's exactly why i have bought this Pack !!!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you! Glad you're enjoying it!

[@michaelthomasen9711]

Looking forward to playing these. Good job!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you! 🙏 Hope you enjoy them!

[@geoffreymerrifield5666]

Did not realize you could buy custom kits. Trying to decide between a few mid level E-Kits (Efnote, 3 or 5, Yamaha DTX8, or Roland TD-27). Roland is my favorite for hardware but I don't like their sounds... This is like Kemper Profile Packs for Drums!! Awesome!!

[@Andrew-wb2zq]

Dude, so impressed with these kits. They really have that satisfying "crack" that I'm looking for on the snare. Thanks!

[@donisaacramos]

Downloaded and Installed on my TD-27✔️ I love the Snare sample of the StarEncoreA. Ive applied it to my other kits as well. I love the stock snare sounds of my previously owned TD-4, TD-9, TD-25 but the Stock Snare sounds of the TD-27 was just not satisfying to me. I just couldnt find that tone im looking for lol Your samples definitely helped. Thank you for making my kit sound better!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Awesome! Thanks for your purchase and glad you like it!

[@DWRhythm]

Loving these kits. Got the pack, played with it, but off to a gig I go. Who knows, if I get 'em dialed in quickly enough you might hear them in a band live video. I'm really loving how the 2 kits have 3 variations, almost making the perfect go to set for just about everything! Wonder what is going to come out of your studios next! Famous Vol 3? I'd buy it! Great stuff man.

[@randalscandal1588]

How did the gig go?

[@DWRhythm]

​@@randalscandal1588 It went very well. It was a wedding gig, and the kit sounded excellent.

[@okjames2954]

Awesome sounds, Luke! I love how they sound in the mix with music. Got an idea for you for next originals premium pack...maybe some fat, dry kits like a-lot of the Indie-folk artists use...kinda mimicking those old ‘70s AM Gold songs. Peace!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you! Good idea, will see what I can do when I've got through the next few packs!

[@itsgmani]

Wow this sounds great. Just got my 27. Gonna buy em tomorrow 🎉

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you 🙏 Hope you enjoy the kits 😊

[@itsgmani]

Brooo that Yamaha processed is amazing. I’m a huge fan. 🎉. What’s the best way to lower the decay on the toms. I tried the muffling but I want it shorter and tighter. This is my go to kit as of now.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

@@itsgmani Thank you for the purchase! I'm glad you're enjoying them. The muffling will only affect the "main" instrument layer - there is also the "sub" instrument layer which is where you'll find my samples (this is what provides the majority of the sound at higher dynamics). If you press the SUB button from the Kit Edit > Instrument screen, you can adjust the "decay" of my samples under the Edit tab - lowering the value will act like the muffling option for my samples.

[@itsgmani]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop fantastic. Thank you

[@theundercoverscene7247]

Cool stuff, Luke! That snare in the modern processed really cuts through the mix, I like it :-). Would be nice to hear these sounds compared to 1 or 2 standard kits from the module (factory settings), to hear the difference. Perhaps in another video :-)? You're a very versatile drummer with great technique, too. Keep it up! Cheers from the Netherlands.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you! I'll see what I can do!

[@cberger]

Dude! Love these kits. I have the house kit and I think I’m likely going to add these. Question for you. I’ve been using my TD 27 for live gigs lately and been loving it. I’m curious if I can use the main left right as two separate outputs and I haven’t been able to exactly figure out if it’s possible. Right now I have direct 1 as kick, direct 2 as snare and the main mono as everything else. Is it possible to make the left toms and right cymbals or something like that? A video about routing in the TD27 would be so awesome!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you! Yeah, it's possible to route the stereo master output as if they were direct outputs. I'm not at the workshop to check the exact steps but have a look in the manual and you should find it (there might be additional manuals on the Roland site). I think it's just a setting in the routing options to swap from a "Master" setting to "Direct" but I can't remember off the top of my head. Then you can just route cymbals to one of the master outs (L or R) and the toms to the other, giving you 4 mono channels in total.

[@thezone4957]

These truly are awesome! Thanks for this! I am using them on my VAD-506 with Digital Hihat. I swapped the snare from the Yamaha modern Kit to the Tama modern Kit, tweaked some eq's and wow, these are some seriously huge sounding kits! Especially the kick and snare. I'm just trying to work out how to stop the toms from sounding a bit machine gunny at lighter touch (I feel not the samples fault) just that your snare sample triggered by my Roland digital snare is so realistic feeling and sounding that its making the toms sound inferior. Its only on light touch that the toms sound a bit fake, when you hit them at higher velocity they sound very realistic. Perhaps there is some more fine tuning I need to do on the trigger parameters or perhaps it's a limitation of the toms in comparison to the digital snare? Best money I have spent on e-drums so far! Cheers!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Wow, thank you! It's great that mixing and matching has given you what you want! You're right that machine gunning at lower velocities is probably down to the Roland sounds - most of my samples don't fade in until you're playing past ghost note levels. One thing you can try is adjusting the transient controls on the main layer (so just from the Transients screen on the menu) - reducing the attack might help. I sometimes do this anyway but being a bit more drastic with it might get your softer notes where you want them. Also make sure that your sensitivity and velocity curves on your trigger settings aren't making your softer hits come out louder than necessary. Hope that helps, really glad you're enjoying the sounds and thanks for the feedback!

[@Steve2112Rocks]

When I get my td 27 I am getting these sounds!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you 🙏

[@Steve2112Rocks]

Just bought this and zeppelin packet. God like !

[@rolderdrummer2448]

Sounds really great... Where do i Get this kit?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

theedrumworkshop.com/td27-kits :)

[@Yankees121205]

Grabbed the bundle....WOW! blows away Roland stock kits, simply amazing on VAS506, just can't get hihat to sound like yours, not sure why...

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thank you so much 🙏 Glad you like the kits! Can you describe what you mean by not being able to get the hi-hat to sound like mine? There shouldn't be any difference between the demo and your final sounds really, especially if everything else sounds right. The only thing that comes to mind off the top of my head is making sure that the trigger settings (sensitivity, mainly) are properly set up so that the full range of velocities (up to 127 when you hit hard) are being played. If the hi-hat isn't hitting near the top of the velocity range when you play hard, it might not be playing back the top velocity samples.

[@Yankees121205]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thanks for the reply, I'm new to the VAD506 so still working through things, I did a factory reset when I got it from a friend and was able to load everything no problem. I added a couple CY8 trigger cymbals as well, the volume on those is way lower for some reason. But I'll start with looking at the velocities and see what I find, stay tuned!

[@fVNzO]

Simply put the best custom kits I've ever heard for the TD-27. It would be pretty cool to have someone like 65Drums take all the different custom kit makers and pit their best kits against eachother:). You could do it yourself off course but i think it would make the most sense with someone that doesn't have a horse in the race. Just an idea. As far as the comparison with the TD-50, honestly i don't think I'd be able to tell the difference in a blind test on most of the drums themselves. The cymbals though, are much better on your TD-50 recording imo, less harsh, more resolution/clarity perhaps? Is that a conscious choice or a limitation of the cymbal sounds on the TD-27?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Thanks! Yeah, that would be pretty cool! Don't know if Justin has enough modules to do that, but I'd be interested in seeing it all together in one video! Yeah, because of the samples, the usual small differences between the 27 and 50 versions of each instrument are masked quite a bit. As for the cymbals - I'm not using samples for those so it becomes more apparent. I've noticed with every kit I've made that the 27 cymbals never come out sounding as nice as the 50, no matter what options I use to tweak them. The biggest difference seems to be the ability to control the mic distance on the TD-50. This can add a lot of warmth and width and takes some of the harshness out. The 50's cymbals just naturally sound a bit wider and fuller too, typically with less noticeable attack. I try to EQ it out a bit and use the transients if I can but it never sounds quite the same, unfortunately.

[@fVNzO]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop They gotta segment it somewhere :). Still a tremendous improvement over stock sounds though.

[@phasA100]

What changes to the kits did you do playing “YamRecCust A Direct Mic Dry” to the music? It’s much more dry and the punch is much better than the Sounds that I bought. Even after turning off Overhead and Room…

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Sorry to hear that you don't think the kits live up to the demo. I didn't make any changes to the kits for this video, I just recorded out of the Master L&R outputs. Whenever music is added to a mix, things like the ambience will get covered up by the music, so if you hear any differences between the "with track" and "without track" examples on the video, that's all it will be. Likewise, if you hear isolated drum tracks from albums, they always sound really ambient compared to the final mix - guitars etc will take up a lot of the frequency space around a drum kit. In order to work out why things don't feel as "punchy" - What is your pad setup? Are you using the digital pads? And are your triggers fully configured properly to match your playing style? There are a few things I can go through with you to check that everything is properly set up and to get you to a satisfied place. Feel free to drop me an email through the store if you're still dissatisfied and I can help you troubleshoot. It's much easier that way than on the comments section.

[@phasA100]

wow… didn’t expect that fast of a response. 👍 I use a VAD503 that is dialed in to max with heavy punches. I play the the kit on Full PA and line areas for all kind of Events. I already found out that room and overheads on the drums have to be turned off but then all drums lack punch. I adjusted the master eq for that. What’s you’re take on using the kit on bigger stages?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Ah right, live use is always tricky because the amp, speakers and the room you're in will dictate far more of the sound than anything else. All of my kits are primarily designed for headphone use and that'll always be the "optimal" way to hear them. Unless you're listening to my demos through your PA, you can't get an accurate idea of what my kits "should" sound like through that particular system compared to the demos through another type of speaker or headphones. It's apples and oranges, really. As you say, turning off the Overheads and Room will affect the sound due to the way the kits are made - a lot of the mid-to-high range fidelity is found in the OH settings I've used. Fortunately, the "Direct Mic Dry" versions of my kits aren't particularly wet even with these settings on by design. Although I don't market my kits for live use specifically, the Dry kits were made with this use in mind as they should translate the most easily. I would probably recommend putting the Overheads back on and seeing if that improves things. Generally the advice about turning them off is geared towards kits with heavy ambience, so you might be safe here. The Room ambience less so, but might be worth a try depending on the amount of ambience in the room/venue. If you're using the master outputs then just turning the OH back on affects those instantly. If you're running direct outputs, you will need to route the overheads through (ideally) a stereo pair or at least one output to get the intended effect.

[@phasA100]

Thank you for the responses. I learned a lot from analyzing you’re kits. I adopted these findings to my own preferred live kits and it’s awesome! Next week I will adopt the Yamaha Set for live use! Thank you very much!

[@Steve2112Rocks]

Luke is the Star pack modeled after the Tama Star drum set? I never heard of a Remo Star kit. I reference how you have the Yamaha recording custom photo for you Yamaha pack but you have a Remo kit for a photo on the Star pack. I was just curious! Thanks

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hi Steve. It's called "StarEncore" because it's got samples from a Tama Starphonic snare with tom samples from a Remo Encore kit. All the drum/size details are on the product page and in the manual for the kits that can be viewed from the product page if you want more info.

[@Steve2112Rocks]

Yeah I guess I should have checked that out before asking. I was too much into how good the sounds were that I completely ignored the means used to get there.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Ah well thank you haha! 🙏

[@Steve2112Rocks]

Luke I accidentally over wrote a stock kit that I really like in the 27 module with one of your kits. As it was an accident the stock kit was not backed up. Short of a factory reset it that kit now gone?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey Steve. Don't worry, you can rescue it without a factory reset using the Copy Menu. You can copy kits out of the "Preset" memory. I've got a video about it here - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5OXl5SNeZJ3jbs So before you restore the original kit, I would recommend copying the installed Originals Premium kit/kits to empty User Kit slots first, that way you don't need to reinstall them. Then once you have effectively "moved" those kits out of the way, you can use that video's guide for copying the stock kit out of the Preset memory to restore it. I hope that helps!

[@Steve2112Rocks]

Yep. Took care of it! Thank you so much. I mistakenly double copied one of the Bonham kits I bought from you store, One in an empty user kit and the other over a stock kit, which happened to be the last stock kit I was messing around with when I was loading your kit from my SD card. All is as it should be right now. Thanks again for your awesome channel!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Fantastic, glad you managed to sort it out!

[@rcprod9631]

Is it possible to shorten the length of one of your user samples within the TD-27 module? Thinking of shortening the sustain of the Yamaha snare for live use. Thanks.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Yes! Go to Kit Edit, Instrument then go down to the Sub Inst layer and choose the Edit tab. There should be a "decay" setting for the sample layer that you can use to shorten it!

[@rcprod9631]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Great. Thanks for your help.

[@kylieshanesther]

Hi. I just bought the kits on your site. Was wondering after using the preset kits do I still need to add FX to the toms when I record in my daw? Can’t seem to get the deep tone on the toms like in your vid

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hi Shane. The demo videos are just recorded straight out of the master outputs (L&R) with no post EQ or FX like that (just a small amount of limiting to even things out with the tracks), so you shouldn't need to add anything to them. The sounds should be pretty much as in the demos. Are you using the same headphones/monitors to listen to your module as you did to listen to the video? Variances in speakers can make a big difference. Also, make sure your trigger settings (sensitivity, mainly) are getting the full dynamic range out of the drums The majority of the tom hits in this video will be up near the top end of the dynamics, so check your trigger monitor to make sure you're hitting those velocities with a strong hit (on the monitor, you should be hitting between 115 and 127 on your strongest "musical" hits - ie. the hardest you will play in a normal musical context). I only bring that up because I've had some customers experience differences in sound who then found out they were only ever getting to the middle dynamics on their pads. Hope some of that helps. Let me know how you get on.

[@kylieshanesther]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop thanks for the detailed reply. I’m using a TD27. I recorded on Reaper multi track. Individual track for each Tom. The results are as such - on headphone sounds sick, post recording on my monitors sounds pretty decent it’s only when I render the track to iphone is where the toms sounds a little plastic ish. I’m wondering if it’s the phone that is the issue. Also, with regards to sensitivity on the snare/ toms what sensitivity would you recommend for td27. Right now I’ve set it to 10-12. And again with headphones is ok. It’s only post production on my iPhone.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Ahh, ok - I think I know what might be happening. If you're recording the multi-tracks, it bypasses the Master EQ and Compression - this will be where you're losing some of the weight from. These are both applied to the master outputs and the headphone mix. I don't really think there's a way around this as that's the nature of recording the individual tracks rather than the master mix. There isn't a way to route master effects with individual tracks. So in this case, you might need to add some FX to it. You could try and replicate my Master EQ and Compression settings on Reaper using the plugins that come with it, either on a track level or on master/group level. This could help to reproduce the sound. Either that or just record a master output mix, though I understand this loses some flexibility. I'm not sure if the phone will be making a difference if you're using headphones to listen to it, unless there's a setting that's downgrading the quality when you render it. Out of the phone speakers it will always sound pretty grim. As for the sensitivity - I can't recommend any specifics because it will come down to your playing style and I also don't use any of the stock Roland pads, other than the digital ones. It doesn't seem like this is actually the issue now that I've got more information, but if you watch the little graph on the trigger screen to see what your hits are doing, that will be a good indicator that you might need to tweak some settings. If you never hit the top, increase sensitivity. If you hit the top too quickly or your rarely ever get the lower end of the graph even when hitting softly, try reducing the sensitivity or using a different trigger curve (there are explanations for each curve in the manual). Hope that helps!

[@kylieshanesther]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop aw man that sucks. In that case what is the multi track recording for then? So basically you’re saying that I should just record a single master track. I’ll check it out. Thank you.

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

The multi-track recording is for exactly that purpose - to process the sounds afterwards. That's why you would separate them out. If you don't need to post-mix then a master track will work

[@stikkman61]

Downloaded eDW+Originals+Premium for TD-27. Was able to load the 3 StarEncore kits but running into "user sample - memory full" errors when loading the 3 Yamaha kits? Where are the user samples stored and can they be removed selectively? Was thinking I can remove user samples from some of the kits in my library (or entire kits that have user samples) in order to have space for the user samples that make your kits sound so sweet? ;-)

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hi Stikkman. The User Samples are stored under the [USER SAMPLE] button menu, in the LIST section. There is a guide for deleting User Samples in the manual that is provided with your files (it'll be called READ ME FIRST! - The eDW Originals Premium TD-27 and you're looking for "Memory Management" on page 7). And yes, this is the section you're looking for to free up space if you've installed any other kits that contain user samples (just overwriting the kits doesn't delete the samples, you have to do it there). Hope you enjoy the rest of the kits when you've got them installed!

[@stikkman61]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Appreciate the super quick and informative reply, Luke! 👏🤘!

[@stikkman61]

Luke et al: Can you selectively delete kits from the TD-27 module’s memory? I see you can delete entire backups and kits saved to an SD card but I would like to remove duplicate/unwanted kits I've already loaded from SD into the module's memory - possible? Seems you can only copy over user kits and not delete them 🤦‍♂️ And kit rearrangement is done via the “Set List” option. Can you copy user kit to user kit or does the source always have to be from SD card? I generally build a set of user kits via the copy kit option then do a backup of that list. Is it possible to see the individual kits w/in a backup and copy them selectively to user kit memory?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey! You can't "delete" a kit on the module, there are always 100 kits slots. You can overwrite one with a kit from any other source - either another kit slot on the module or one from an SD card. The only actual memory that gets taken up is the User Sample memory. So if you need to fully remove a kit that contains user samples, you need to overwrite the kit and also locate the user samples for that kit in the User Sample List and delete those. There are instructions for deleting user samples in the PDF I supply with the kits (it will be under "Memory Management"). As for the copy menu questions, I made this video about it a while back that explains everything you can do with it on each of this generation's modules - kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z5OXl5SNeZJ3jbs

[@stikkman61]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop Thx, Luke - I guess what I'd like to do is "clear" redundant user kits but I guess copying another kit over it would also do the trick. Is there a way to see/copy individual kits from a tdo.backup w/out loading the entire backup? I guess I need to copy all my purchased kits to the "Kits" folder on my SD card in order to do that but I will lose all the customizations I made to the kits that are now stored in backups ;-( And yes, I was able to follow your advice on clearing user samples as opposed to deleting kits to free up user sample memory - thx!

[@steezyboiiii808]

Hey can I still tune these up and down and increase shell and decrease the shell and can I still use The muffling options on the td27kv thank you I’m extremely interested in getting these fair prices you got!!

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hey! You can, but there's a bit more to consider because of the samples. The main layer of the instruments are Roland sounds and the samples are on the SUB layers - these have been tuned to each other so that they sound like "one" instrument, if that makes sense. When you change things like the shell depth on the Roland layer, this can affect the pitch of that sound which means that it now might be out of tune with the sample layer. So you might need to alter the pitch of the sample layer if you adjust things like that. Also, if you muffle the Roland layer, the sample layer will still ring out over it, so you will need to adjust the "decay" setting for the sample. I'd recommend making a copy of the kits before making any changes, that way you always have an "original" version if you make any mistakes when editing. (This is better than reloading the kit from the SD card as that will load all of the samples again which can eat up your memory. There's a Copy Menu video on my channel that shows this off if you're unfamiliar.)

[@steezyboiiii808]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop ok thank you so much!!!!!

[@jeremiahdomer4657]

The real issue is do a buy one kit or wait a couple weeks and. It the big bundle lol

[@randalscandal1588]

Kits sound great, but the ride cymbal needs work.

[@chris-nb9br]

hello once i buy it will you send me a file or how does it work?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hello! Yes, it's an instant download. So when you have ordered and paid, it will be delivered to you via email within minutes. Then you can load it to your module with an SD card. Here is a video showing the loading process - kzbin.info/www/bejne/bqiuZpuEYreYh6c

[@chris-nb9br]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop and do all pads work correctly such as like the ghost notes ?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

They are just sounds, so your pads/trigger setup won't change. As long as your triggers are already set up correctly then all of the pads will trigger properly, yes.

[@chris-nb9br]

@@TheeDrumWorkshop will it work with the vad506? and do the snares and toms have cross stick and rim?

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Yes to all of the above!

[@luisutil9070]

God dammit... just spent 24 euros on their premium kits... lol... totally unusable

[@TheeDrumWorkshop]

Hi. Sorry to hear you're unhappy with the Premium kits. It's very unusual to receive this kind of feedback, especially for this pack. I would like to try and work with you to resolve this issue if possible. Could you email me through the store's contact page with details of the problem (things like sound quality, if the kits don't sound like the demos etc)? I'll do what I can to assist you! If we can't resolve it, I'm happy to explore other resolutions.