Romans: The Gospel According To Paul | Secular Bible Study (Episode 45)

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@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
They said Romans couldn’t be done well in under an hour…
@theflaggedyoutuberii4311
@theflaggedyoutuberii4311 8 ай бұрын
It wasn't.
@rokkitserjun
@rokkitserjun 8 ай бұрын
Thankfully we don't listen to what they say.
@gayasparagus
@gayasparagus 8 ай бұрын
I would appreciate a deconstruction of romans chapter 1, as its routinely used to bash lgbtq people. And pride month is next month.
@debwoods5834
@debwoods5834 8 ай бұрын
Romans 13:1-2 says it all. Throw in that Saul's conversion & Constantine's vision match and I call BS.
@Jon45678
@Jon45678 8 ай бұрын
It is cool how you are always careful to convey a level of respect for these books based on their impact and background. Romans may be the toughest book of all, nicely done.
@greenleaf239
@greenleaf239 8 ай бұрын
36:26 "If you're a Calvinist, you should not have babies." I think this should apply to all people who are hell-believers. You're taking a gamble with some else's afterlife.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Yes, but we have other verses telling people to be fruitful and also to train up their children in the ways that they should be so they will not depart. There's a concept for some believers that it would be good to have babies, as they can make them Christian and more Christians is a better thing. That would be the excuse anyway, but with Calvinists specifically, who believe in god picking and choosing a small elect, it is a guarantee is what I meant.
@JasonHenderson
@JasonHenderson 8 ай бұрын
I agree. We weren't Calvinists, but we basically were. If you believe in predestination, you are flipping a coin if your name was written in the book or not.
@tomasrocha6139
@tomasrocha6139 6 ай бұрын
😂 But you've been predestined to have them
@JasonHenderson
@JasonHenderson 6 ай бұрын
@@tomasrocha6139 checkmate calvinists
@Christiaanwebb
@Christiaanwebb 8 ай бұрын
No one else does this on KZbin. No one with Brandon's level of the Bible breaks it down in such detail. I'm so grateful for it. It's so helpful. Thank you!
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
I am so happy to have helped!
@jon.skeptischism
@jon.skeptischism 8 ай бұрын
Preach
@hamobu
@hamobu 8 ай бұрын
Paul: All you have to do is accept Jesus to have an everlasting life* * Supplies are limited. Additional works and approval by God may be required.
@johntiggleman4686
@johntiggleman4686 8 ай бұрын
@hamobu "No salesman will come to your door." Oops. I guess they do in some places. JWs and other evangelicals.
@EdwardM-t8p
@EdwardM-t8p 8 ай бұрын
​@@johntiggleman4686 International Churches of Christ too.
@Chuck-se5hh
@Chuck-se5hh 8 ай бұрын
Well said. You are correct.
@jmparker78
@jmparker78 8 ай бұрын
Pin this.
@chadkndr
@chadkndr 6 ай бұрын
Honestly mind blowing that you read these extremely dense books, analyze them in depth, cross reference, and then make a video about them each week WHILE maintaining a family life, full time job, as well as creating 2 additional, unrelated, fully in-depth videos per week. Like I genuinely can't wrap my head around it lol. Seriously impressive.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 6 ай бұрын
This comment is so motivating! thank you. Each week, i think there is no way i'm gonna make it and get the next video done, but I have so far managed to find a way. Thanks for this!
@dougt7580
@dougt7580 8 ай бұрын
Since I've become an atheist I've had Romans quoted at me way more than Jesus or anything in the Gospels.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Oh ye. Modern Christianity is all Paul!
@Canaanitebabyeater
@Canaanitebabyeater 8 ай бұрын
​@@MindShift-BrandonPaulianity if you will
@MrDalisclock
@MrDalisclock 8 ай бұрын
Roman's 9 says some people are destined for destruction, so I guess god just wants me destroyed according to Paul. Doesn't seem to stop the missionaries from trying to un-destine me.
@letsomethingshine
@letsomethingshine 7 ай бұрын
They don’t know, the cling to the chance that you are destined to make them look good or justify them in their own eyes as “good Christians that are saved” by converting you.
@pineapplepenumbra
@pineapplepenumbra 7 ай бұрын
@@Canaanitebabyeater I've been pointing out that christianity died out about 2000 years ago (if it ever existed) and that all we have are Paulians and Liarians, for many years now. It's nice to know that I'm not alone.
@denisebaldwin9292
@denisebaldwin9292 8 ай бұрын
I was always taught that Romans is full of rich meat for believers. But you’ve really shown (once again) just how man-made and contradictory this whole religious house of cards is. Thank you for all your hard work.
@chrismorey5609
@chrismorey5609 8 ай бұрын
I am so excited to get into Paul. I cannot wait for a side video on Christ vs. Paul. Why do christians accept the writings of Paul? Jesus said to be wary of false teachers that came after him. Here comes Paul that claims without eyewitness to have met Jesus, says things in direct contradiction, and Christians are like...yeah! That makes sense. Muhammad claims similar things but nah...
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
You said it so well. It really is pretty crazy!
@dasbus9834
@dasbus9834 8 ай бұрын
Today we call what Paul did with early (proto-)Christianity a hostile takeover.
@ksk881
@ksk881 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Brandon, for stating your strong dislike of the potter and the clay story. That story is basically what convinced me that this god was not worth serving. There is a huge difference between a lump of clay and a human being, as god should well know. I am not an unfeeling lump of clay, and I resent the idea that the "potter" creates me for what he wants, and he can smash me to bits if I turn out differently than he was trying to make me. Keep it up, Brandon! You help me with every video.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Well put! Thank you
@riseofdarkleela
@riseofdarkleela 8 ай бұрын
No kidding! I can disregard the opinions of people who would spout this nonsense to me. 💪
@david2869
@david2869 8 ай бұрын
The potter and the clay story is the New Testament`s support of slavery.
@kahlilbt
@kahlilbt 8 ай бұрын
Hits hard for me as a former member of The Potter's House Church smh
@johntiggleman4686
@johntiggleman4686 8 ай бұрын
@ksk881 Well, except for the claim in Genesis where "god" made a man out of mud, or maybe more correctly, clay. Which means, by the way, we are all Claymation! I just love how my 73 year old brain can still go down a small rabbit hole. And a silly one at that.
@SCP-SAM
@SCP-SAM 8 ай бұрын
Yeah Brandon, just heard the Pope on 60 min (this Sun) say we were all born of good & not of sin. I was like, wtf, what?
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Lol popes always updating for god. Who cares if the bible says the heart is deceitful above all else. Pope says its good lol
@jon.skeptischism
@jon.skeptischism 8 ай бұрын
Hey I’ll take it
@gnomueaux
@gnomueaux 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, this might be the most debated Biblical book by Christians historically in terms of theology. Have you considered making a Old Testament and New Testament tierlist to celebrate the end of Secular Bible Study?
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thats a great idea!
@EricRhodes-gd4rj
@EricRhodes-gd4rj 8 ай бұрын
I grew up in the conservative Church of Christ, baptized at 8 so I couldn’t be taught by a woman. Ended up in a Romans class and we spent a year on just Romans 5&6. It was crazy how deep it can go.
@EricRhodes-gd4rj
@EricRhodes-gd4rj 8 ай бұрын
Also thank you and many others. I wouldn’t have deconstructed and deconverted without people like you. In fact I study the Bible more now I know it’s myth than before. Cheers!
@JimmyTuxTv
@JimmyTuxTv 8 ай бұрын
@@EricRhodes-gd4rjI’d like to invite you on for a stream sometime, I too raised coc however never baptized. I know the Bible especially Romans as a skeptic much better also.
@EricRhodes-gd4rj
@EricRhodes-gd4rj 8 ай бұрын
@@JimmyTuxTv I wouldn’t mind doing that at all. Especially if I can help someone else break free and feel validated knowing they aren’t alone.
@EricRhodes-gd4rj
@EricRhodes-gd4rj 8 ай бұрын
@BluStarGalaxy I can definitely get that. I enjoyed it though. That deep level theology was engaging to me as a child. Hearing all the different thoughts and connections people would make. Definitely not for everyone though. Haha
@EricRhodes-gd4rj
@EricRhodes-gd4rj 8 ай бұрын
@BluStarGalaxy idk if you play games, but I’m a Zelda fan. I love Zelda theory. In the end it’s all fake and a game but I like thinking about the ways to make it fit together and the ideas people have about it. In fact, there’s a whole community based on it. Same with my religion growing up except then I thought it was real. It wasn’t a pastor telling us stuff. It was an actual class and everyone collaborating on their ideas of the doctrine
@ShyyGaladriel
@ShyyGaladriel 8 ай бұрын
Yeah I was raised Calvinist. I never knew if I was saved or not.
@Cuffsmaster
@Cuffsmaster 8 ай бұрын
I never new much about Calvinist . I am probably lucky
@gecalebsmith
@gecalebsmith 8 ай бұрын
Same. Constant stress on this matter
@JasonHenderson
@JasonHenderson 6 ай бұрын
@@ShyyGaladriel I was raised primitive Baptist. They kind of believe if you are interested in the Bible and attend church then God has acted in your life, so therefore your name is in the book. It's been a long time, something like that. And they believe in eternal security also. So, I guess I'm good.
@Neomalthusiano
@Neomalthusiano 6 ай бұрын
I have ba news: if you were, you would know
@dmitrykup8867
@dmitrykup8867 8 ай бұрын
I wonder what was the true reason for Paul's conversion... He felt so confident in himself that he was not afraid at all to speak on behalf of Jesus, on behalf of God. The verse about "don't even listen to angels until they teach like me" is awesome and scaring at the same time. His struggle to preach in every corner of the Roman empire looks almost like an obsession. I wish we could know more about Paul, especially about his mental health. I'm afraid of him and impressed at the same time :) Thank you for the video, Brandon :3
@Uryvichk
@Uryvichk 8 ай бұрын
I think he comes across as sincere, but so sincere that he's willing to twist scripture into knots because he desperately WANTS it to say what he's preaching that it says. I think he's terrified at the prospect that he's wrong, that God won't spare everyone who believes and trusts in Christ, that the Gentiles can't be saved and that most of Israel won't be either. Remember, he thinks he's on the clock, and that God's wrath is coming soon.
@Badficwriter
@Badficwriter 7 ай бұрын
@@Uryvichk Yes, Brandon praises his logic, but that logic contradicts what he is trying to spread and he's trying to reshape everything constantly. Its hard to tell if he was malicious, or just mentally ill. He speaks of a sin he cannot stop...did it damn him by Jewish Law? Is that why he turned against it, to the idea that Jesus was a new version of that, one that would forgive him his sin? Were there Gentiles precious to him, that he insisted so strongly that the new belief MUST include them? It is such a defection for a learned Pharisee.
@Tijaxtolan
@Tijaxtolan 8 ай бұрын
So do you go to heaven by just confessing Jesus? Christians: yes but actually no 😀
@Cuffsmaster
@Cuffsmaster 8 ай бұрын
SOME believe you need to be 'WATER BOARDED' (BAPTIZED) before the gates to heaven are open to you. I wondered about that as a child. I was baptized in a dammed up creek near the country church I was dragged to as a child. It is all so stupid.
@Christiaanwebb
@Christiaanwebb 8 ай бұрын
The Scientologists were like "How can we take this concept one step further".
@Firestorm12345678910
@Firestorm12345678910 8 ай бұрын
@@Cuffsmaster I think Baptism has to do with the superstitious belief in the 4 elemental forces: water, wind, earth and fire. Notice that in Genesis God hovers over the chaos waters to calm it such act denoting his "power" over that element and this act also replayed to a smaller extent when Jesus supposedly walked (not quite hovering but close enough) on water. Air (wind/windy - stirrings of the spirit world) was viewed as the spirit world wherein both the goodies the invisible angels and baddies invisible demons resided. Earth (mud, dirt, clay, soil) had magic powers too since that was the stuff that God used to create Adam (Eve only got the rib end of it). And then we get into the rather gory blood-magic. I once heard a Christian exclaim using a rather serious tone of voice that: you must be covered from head to toe in the "blood of the lamb" to be absolved/shielded from your sins (there just isn't enough blood in pigeon blood to do the job, also city ordinances probably wouldn't allow you to own a scape goat and just let it roam around the country side...so no luck there either). All of that is so cringe. I mean why not a better God and Religion? A religion that has something to do with brains, entropy, immortality. At least then no one would have to communally LARP out all this b.s. nonsense.
@meowmix4jo
@meowmix4jo 7 ай бұрын
​@@Cuffsmaster​ Peter and Jesus both say you need to be baptized and there's quite a bit on water cleansing in the OT. Jesus says in Mark (which notably has the thief mocking Jesus instead of being saved which would contradict this but aligns with Paul's teachings) 16:16 that you have to believe and be baptized. The idea that you don't have to be comes mostly from Paul, which like this video said is true for a ridiculous amount Christian doctrine which often contradicts what Jesus or people who supposedly actually knew him said (like, idk... his brother, who is supposedly the one that said faith without works is dead). Totally clears things up right?
@PaleLady
@PaleLady 8 ай бұрын
I can not thank you enough for sharing your analysis and thoughts on this book. It's the honest and critical view of the bible that's helped me feel as if I'm able to challenge the brainwashing. Thank you a thousand times over! 💜💜💜
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
My pleasure! Thanks so much for being here for it.
@CJBlake-ym6ky
@CJBlake-ym6ky 8 ай бұрын
Paul is quoted a lot by Christians to circumvent aspects of the old testament.
@billtomson5791
@billtomson5791 6 ай бұрын
And, ironically, the words of Christ himself.
@Afrodite96
@Afrodite96 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for this video. I am currently beginning to question my faith, as I’ve grown up in the church my whole life and pretty much was taught “obey because I said so”. My deconstruction really began when my husband would play devils advocate whenever we would have discussions regarding hell and its existence. Although he is still Christian I don’t think he realized at the time that this would open my mind to hearing a new perspective. Now, here I am on your channel and I am eating up your videos and it is refreshing to release blame onto God for concepts like “the fall” and release the hamster wheel of questioning whether or not I’m doing enough to be saved. Although, I am not fully separated from my beliefs I am interested to see where these ideas take me. We are currently studying Romans in the church I go to and I feel like the pastor talks so fast that I really don’t understand what he’s saying. Thank you for the work you’re doing Brandon!
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
So glad to be helpful! good luck on this wild journey. Hope you and your husband can do much of it together!
@Mac-vy2-rv
@Mac-vy2-rv 8 ай бұрын
Good for you and all the very best. Accept nothing, Believe nobody & Challenge everything (ABC). No truth ever has anything to fear from rational inquiry & reason. Wishing you and your husband the best in this journey
@Chuck-se5hh
@Chuck-se5hh 8 ай бұрын
My situation presently also.
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566 8 ай бұрын
Read the church fathers about this issues, they text are beautiful, listen to atheist bit as well listen to other Christians, try to get someone that answers you with love and a deep understanding, In the church fathers you are going to see a lot of reasons about why some thing are like there are, not just a Believeme because I say so. Faith is a sintesis about Rationality, Faith and Praxis. God Bless!
@gecalebsmith
@gecalebsmith 8 ай бұрын
I would love a video on Calvinism as a recovering 7 point Calvinist. Also, my favorite John Calvin fact: he used the Bible to justify believing his enemies should be murdered.
@mawhel
@mawhel 7 ай бұрын
What I so much appreciate about Brandon's presentation style is the deep, dense, rich content delivered at such an incredible pace. I can't imagine how he manages it. I just have to contrast his style and content with the fluff that was offered up in the countless boring sermons of my youth.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 7 ай бұрын
Thanks so much! Glad to hear it
@jenna2431
@jenna2431 8 ай бұрын
I always thought it curious that we had all highlighted our Bibles with that Romans Road hustle and didn't cite Jesus' words whatsoever when evangelizing.
@ssv4santos
@ssv4santos 8 ай бұрын
I appreciate your hard work. I’m still Christian but you do have valid points. I love your knowledge and keep up the good work
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
@heavenbound7-7-7-7 8 ай бұрын
"I’m still Christian" How can you call yourself a Christian and approve of what this man is doing?
@Marcelo-Caruccio
@Marcelo-Caruccio 8 ай бұрын
why is faith SO important for God? Cant God say "I love you so much that I will save you, no matter what" - "I will save you wheather you believe in me or not". Why does the hebrew God demands faith? Why?
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Its a great point
@travis1240
@travis1240 8 ай бұрын
Oh it's worse than that. He also demanded a blood sacrifice. Why would a perfect, benevolent, omnipotent god demand a blood sacrifice? Why did it have to be his son (who is also himself)? And if belief in this concept is so important, why is there no credible evidence of it? None of it makes any sense.
@johntiggleman4686
@johntiggleman4686 8 ай бұрын
@@travis1240 I get some interesting comments on youtube channels when I say that God killed himself. Mostly inane sputtering.
@au1368
@au1368 8 ай бұрын
They insist on credulity because it's a hoax. That's it, that's the whole of it.
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566 8 ай бұрын
You can read on the incarnation, ny athanasius of Alexandria, he gives some reasons about that in there!
@concretesandals4501
@concretesandals4501 8 ай бұрын
I'm going to a Romans Bible study tonight. Thanks Brandon!
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
lol, thats a bit funny. Enjoy!
@yacaattwood2421
@yacaattwood2421 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, Brandon, for your sharp, focused summation of Romans Romans and Ephesians are two books of the New Testament that frankly, would cause me to gnash my teeth. The non-denominational churches I attended would latch onto a verse or two in Romans or Ephesians and spend interminable Sundays hammering them until I wanted to scream, ‘Enough, already!!!!’ I would have loved, instead of sermons that droned on and on about the same thing Sunday after Sunday - to have an open, freewheeling discussion, with questions, with disputes, even
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Appreciate this comment. And yes i have been there too! Glad to cover it
@davidrexford586
@davidrexford586 8 ай бұрын
He is teaching you Romans as a non born again believer and you don’t see that? Well some follow others and let them teach them while others teach themselves and follow no others and that’s that.
@riseofdarkleela
@riseofdarkleela 8 ай бұрын
@@davidrexford586 you know very well Brandon's story and that he knows the same text from the point of view of "born again" so you're not a very good advertisement for your faith. We see your bias and intellectual dishonesty.
@TonyLambregts
@TonyLambregts 8 ай бұрын
@davidrexford586 In Brandon, I see an example of someone who has looked at this based on reality. Perhaps you don't like that, but I, for one, appreciate his perspective. It appears that for you "Born Again" is an affliction that impedes critical thinking
@davidrexford586
@davidrexford586 8 ай бұрын
@@riseofdarkleela right he goes back and forth and never was a born again believer and guess what? You will never completely understand the Bible with your own interpretation or intellect and that’s why you need to become a born again believer in Christ Jesus and get baptized in the Holy Spirit of God as well. You Atheists never understand me no matter what I say as one who has become a Born Again Christian but you understand a non Born Again Christian believer telling you the things of God with his own intellect. To understand the Bible you have to understand it from Gods perspective and not your own. Gods will and purpose are HIS alone Ephesians 2v10. We don’t dictate to God what he should do or demand of God why doesn’t God do things our way. But do school me if you must. I don’t understand one who says maybe I will become a Born Again believer and then question every thing from his own perspective? He has said some horrible things and yet it’s as if none of you care but think I am attacking him because how dare I say anything? Shall I call myself a Born Again Christian Atheist to garner your attention? I think not.
@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic
@Mr.PeabodyTheSkeptic 8 ай бұрын
I trust Bilbo's accounts in the Red Book of Westmarch more than Paul's writings. I'm sorry, a 'Damascus road conversion/hallucination/delusion' invalidates just about everything he said. Dude had CTE.
@josephwilson8897
@josephwilson8897 8 ай бұрын
Love secular bible study. Thanks Brandon.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
My pleasure!
@JDrocks4ever
@JDrocks4ever 8 ай бұрын
Very solid and comprehensive video. I would argue beyond Calvinism; why would anyone who’s Christian have kids, if they really believe that they could possibly go to eternal torment in hell forever? You can’t control the decisions of your kids in adulthood, and it would be the parent’s fault for bringing them into this world. Even Ecclesiastes 4 says that the one who was never born is better off than everyone bc they never had to “witness the evil under the sun”. On top of that, in 1 Corinthians 7, Paul clearly promotes singleness and childlessness over the alternative. What’s the real greater good for Christians? To have a family that they risk going to hell forever or to give their lives fully to the ministry if they really believe it? Even when I was Christian, this was one of the things that caused me to believe that most people who proclaimed Christ didn’t actually believe the biblical narrative
@ZeusAssassin
@ZeusAssassin 8 ай бұрын
Good points. But we all know the real reasons to raise families is to keep church attendance high, outbreed the unsaved, and make church leaders MONEY!
@brucee6524
@brucee6524 8 ай бұрын
Awesome video. Romans 9 has a special place in my deconversion story, because it was what I was reading when seeking answers to the question, “why can I not embrace this idea of substitutional atonement?” My blood still curdles at the thought that the torture, suffering, and death of the innocent Jesus somehow balanced the scales of justice to exonerate my guilt and justify me in spite of my sinfulness. When I read this chapter while so struggling, it occurred to me that my heart was hardened against this very idea, and that this was an indication that - assuming Romans was true - God had plans for me that didn’t include mercy. Or, that this was all a lie and this particular God didn’t exist… Later I found that Ezekiel 18 thoroughly refutes the idea of substitutional atonement and original sin, as well as forgiveness via sacrifice of the innocent vs simple repentance. I’m not sure how anyone can read Romans, believe it to be true, and not wind up adopting Calvinism or something very similar.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@tyrondecemberthomas
@tyrondecemberthomas 8 ай бұрын
Great job as usual covering these books Brandon. Romans. Is it works or faith? If we’re forgiven, why faith? If works, like Old Testament? Oh boy!
@dasbus9834
@dasbus9834 8 ай бұрын
Ah the good old "I used to be a Pharisee" pitch. As popular 2000 years ago as they are today for giving some extra credence to your beliefs.
@JDrocks4ever
@JDrocks4ever 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely! And great observation! Now today it’s “I used to be a hardcore atheist” or “I used to be a satanist”… and can’t forget “I used to be a Muslim”. It’s literally just rhetoric and unfortunately it sways us when we don’t think critically about it
@johntiggleman4686
@johntiggleman4686 8 ай бұрын
@@JDrocks4ever Religious "medals" to pin on their chests.
@Katerking96
@Katerking96 8 ай бұрын
Making popcorn for you tackling Revelations.
@hamobu
@hamobu 8 ай бұрын
It just hit me how much better Paul was then Jesus at organizing and spreading a message. Plus Paul left words and letters behind and Paul comes from the same area and time period as Jesus.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
this is an excellent point!
@bluester7177
@bluester7177 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, it seems like it's another failure of God to not send a son who was literate, if Jesus had written things himself, I don't think there would be as much confusion and disagreement as there is today.
@maggienewton8518
@maggienewton8518 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating! By trying to streamline and bring together various confusing aspects of the religion, "Paul" gives us stark examples of very problematic contradictions. That says so much. Another one I'll watch several times, thanks, Brandon.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Maggie!
@liamjohnston2000
@liamjohnston2000 8 ай бұрын
So I watched Dune: Part 2 a couple of days ago, and watching this video, I can't help but wonder if Frank Herbert purposefully named his, I'll say protagonist, after the Paul of the Bible, given the intended message of the books
@jamiegallier2106
@jamiegallier2106 7 ай бұрын
Thank you for such a thorough, thoughtful and organized, exploration of Romans. It was brilliant. And, it paired perfectly with an interview I just finished on ‘History Valley’ channel. Chrissy Hanson discusses a book apostle Paul apparently didn’t write, Philemon.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate this so much!
@karenlankford8558
@karenlankford8558 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for making sense out of some really dense theological writing. Talk about complicated reasoning that could mean almost anything.
@Chixistigma
@Chixistigma 8 ай бұрын
Considering how Paul's teachings sound so different, you could make a video on how Paul may be a false prophet, like Jesus warned, and the implications of Paul's teachings being included in the bible.
@EdwardM-t8p
@EdwardM-t8p 8 ай бұрын
There of plenty of Jewish, Noahide, and Torah-compliant Christian resources that discuss this very thing!
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566
@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566 8 ай бұрын
They have validation by the apostolic fathers, most of those aparent contradictions have an explanation by the fathers. The teachinga of paul were accepted by the apostoles, we can se that in the fathers, we have disciples of Peter, Paul, John, etc! God bless
@Chixistigma
@Chixistigma 8 ай бұрын
@@juandavidguarnizogutierrez4566 Please elaborate
@darleneee92
@darleneee92 8 ай бұрын
The fact that you don't write out a script for your videos just shows how smart you are. I also learn a new word every time I watch you lol But on topic - it's crazy how I have not heard so much of this. In church it's all surface level teaching. Christians don't go in depth. Even Catholics are unaware of the book of revelations. We never get the full picture. Thank you for your hard work.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Too kind, Darlene! I do a bit more prep for these sbs episodes to be fair. So glad to have you here.
@johntiggleman4686
@johntiggleman4686 8 ай бұрын
@darleneee92 Yes, the Reformed/Christian Reformed churches are very good at that surface level teaching. I use them as example, since I have been a member in the RCA, and have been to several CRC churches in my 73 years and heard that exact style. Maybe Romans is the cause of all the dissension in most "christian" religions.
@zacharylehocki
@zacharylehocki 8 ай бұрын
As usual Brandon your Bible studies are much more interesting and informative from a secular perspective, thank you for this.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@Porthidium
@Porthidium 8 ай бұрын
Ooh, nice, closing the work day (it's 4pm here in the Netherlands) with a MindShift video! Awesome!
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching. Hope you enjoy!
@Ebi.Adonkie
@Ebi.Adonkie 8 ай бұрын
This series is just great
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Love to hear it!
@IOSALive
@IOSALive 8 ай бұрын
Mindshift, You're amazing! I hit the like button as soon as I saw it!
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Too kind! Thanks for being here.
@MrBBaron
@MrBBaron 8 ай бұрын
As soon as I see Brandon notifications I click like and get ready to hear another really good logical and interesting video'
@simonkoster
@simonkoster 8 ай бұрын
I was wondering how you would handle the abrupt stylistic shift from narrative books to theological lectures. You did not disappoint.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
So glad to hear it! Thanks for being here
@jerryhayes9497
@jerryhayes9497 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video as always 🎉🎉🎉🎉
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@SalvyMic
@SalvyMic 8 ай бұрын
So this is where the Calvinist doctrine of predestination comes from. I always had a major beef with that sort of thinking, especially in light of how Christians still go out and proselytize, knowing that there's a good chance most of these people are already slated for torment. And who's to say any of the predestined are even all Christians? What if many of them ascribed to other belief systems or never heard of Jesus before or are non-believers altogether? I also know Romans is where the verse about all having knowledge and belief in their hearts but choose to disbelief because of their unrighteousness comes from. What an utter crock. I can never forgive John Calvin for his dangerous interpretation of this book, nor Paul for putting it out there in the first place. This is the part of the Bible that I have been the least familiar with, so I truly appreciate the depth that you are exploring each book. I'm thankful more and more that I didn't get sucked into such a deeply harmful belief system.
@jaflenbond7854
@jaflenbond7854 8 ай бұрын
The LIES and FALSE CLAIMS of ATHEISTS and CHRISTIANS against the BIBLE, GOD, and JESUS CHRIST Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions KNOW and are fully aware that they are the great, powerful, and superior persons on earth and the spreaders of the lies, tricks, and deceits that - 1. the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ doesn't exist and even if existing is still unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 2. the BIBLE is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales 3. the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are nothing but lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. Lowly, ordinary, kind, and considerate persons on earth who honor and obey the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father too KNOW and understand the TRUTH that - 1. GOD and Jesus Christ have nothing to do with the lies, tricks, and deceits of Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and all Religions in the world 2. submissiveness to the authority of Jesus Christ and obedience to his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will definitely be rewarded and favored by the loving, kind, and merciful GOD with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 3. the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is not for nothing but the guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in GOD's right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for this support and feedback!
@vidhead85
@vidhead85 8 ай бұрын
Romans really hits you over the head and it's supposed to. I've always looked at it as a legal case defending Christianity. Wonderful work Brandon. Thank you for delving into this formidable book
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much!
@ratamacue0320
@ratamacue0320 8 ай бұрын
Legal case, eh? I guess Paul had neither the facts nor the law on his side, so he pounded the table. 😉
@riseofdarkleela
@riseofdarkleela 8 ай бұрын
@@ratamacue0320 good one!!
@vidhead85
@vidhead85 8 ай бұрын
@@ratamacue0320 Yes, because that's what it's supposed to be. He DOES connect OT to this new revelation albeit selectively. He is crafting a compelling narrative when we don't look at it critically. I'm one to give credit where it is due even when I disagree with it
@Acewarren
@Acewarren 8 ай бұрын
It seems the Romans Road is paved with contradictions. Great coverage of such a vital book for Christians 👍
@kenhoover1639
@kenhoover1639 8 ай бұрын
First of all, thank you for all the hard work that goes into making these videos. I learned so much about the Book of Romans today.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
My pleasure, Ken!
@andrewbuswell6010
@andrewbuswell6010 8 ай бұрын
Great episode! You said at the start that Paul was logical but I think ‘pseudo-logical’ would be much more accurate. He contradicts himself so much even inside the same book, starts arguments but then quickly shuts them down to go onto the next one. He gives a superficial impression of rationality with not much under the facade. Perhaps what Socrates meant by calling people Sophists - all bluster and rhetoric, farting in the wind.
@Uryvichk
@Uryvichk 8 ай бұрын
Agreed. He's twisting things to what he wants to be true, and the mistakes are there to be seen if you're looking.
@FearlessVid1
@FearlessVid1 8 ай бұрын
This book reminds me of someone who keeps saying, "You're not listening to me." while interrupting you every other word. How can the people who wrote the text not understand and need clarification?
@tobymartin2137
@tobymartin2137 8 ай бұрын
"Who are you to argue back to God?" Paul asks, apparently deciding to abandon yet another tradition within the Hebrew Bible of people trying to do just that - Abraham, Moses, Gideon, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, all tried, to certain extents, to bargain with this prickly God, and could succeed to some degree. But with this, I feel Paul has succeeded in making the NT God the more distant, cold, and remote one. Obviously it's a later letter, but it seems to be no exaggeration to say that Romans is one of the foundational codifications on Christian doctrine. Paul may have been the only Christian theologian to never read the Gospels, but it's perfectly possible his influence shaped what the Gospels became.
@jisooc1042
@jisooc1042 8 ай бұрын
Been looking forward to Romans since you started this series! I was raised Calvinist and went through no fewer than three separate Bible studies and sermon series dedicated to Romans during my teenage years so this video is really helpful for deconstructing all of that and reframing the book in a non-Christian perspective.
@Chuck-se5hh
@Chuck-se5hh 8 ай бұрын
Your summary in the last 2 minutes is precise and historic, accurately stating that God is contradictory and inconsistent, whimsical and arbitrary, highly imperfect and flawed. A collection of all of your work must be preserved for all future generations, it is the benchmark by which God and Christ and the Bible are judged and are found wanting. Your analytical work honestly and accurately shows clearly that God is NOT a perfect character or a perfect thinker, your analysis clearly shows that beyond any doubt. You are doing an immense service to mankind.
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
@heavenbound7-7-7-7 8 ай бұрын
"all of your work must be preserved for all future generations, it is the benchmark by which God and Christ and the Bible are judged." 🤣🤦‍♂
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 8 ай бұрын
Excellent video, Brandon. I have been saying for a long time that one of the main reasons why there is so much disagreement today between Calvinists, Arminians, Molinists, Open Theists, Annihilationists, Universalists, Infernalists etc…. is because there is so much contradiction going on in the text by the authors of the text. Each Christian Group just cherry picks what Scriptures they like and tries to symbolise the Scriptures they don’t like or say that the Scriptures they don’t like don’t really mean what they say.
@rizdekd3912
@rizdekd3912 8 ай бұрын
Or....like the poster just above you named mutalenkumbula who claims there are paradoxes not contradictions.
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 8 ай бұрын
@@rizdekd3912 Does God have exhaustive foreknowledge and know everything which will happen ?
@rizdekd3912
@rizdekd3912 8 ай бұрын
@@TheMirabillis "Does God have exhaustive foreknowledge and know everything which will happen ?" That's what some people think. Others apparently don't think God has perfect foreknowledge especialy of people's future decisions. i would have no idea what God, if such exists, does or even could know.
@TheMirabillis
@TheMirabillis 8 ай бұрын
@@rizdekd3912 The reason that People have different views on this issue is because the Biblical Authors had different views on this issue. That is not a paradox but rather a contradiction since all the Authors were supposed to be moved or inspired by the Holy Spirit to write what they did.
@rizdekd3912
@rizdekd3912 8 ай бұрын
@@TheMirabillis "The reason that People have different views on this issue is because the Biblical Authors had different views on this issue. " That seems about right.
@arc-michaelr9580
@arc-michaelr9580 7 ай бұрын
Isn't it crazy how much hair-splitting can be done in 16 chapters.
@Nkosi766
@Nkosi766 8 ай бұрын
Well done Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks!
@sierra5476
@sierra5476 5 ай бұрын
Romans 9:16-21 was the catalyst for my deconstruction journey. I've greatly appreciated all of the wisdom and knowledge from your videos as I've gone through my deconstruction into deconversion. It's helped me look and ask questions that, while being in the church, I didn't consider before. Thank you for all you do, Brandon!
@heatherturner3225
@heatherturner3225 8 ай бұрын
The issues with Paul’s writings is where my deconversion started
@aubreyleonae4108
@aubreyleonae4108 8 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this one. Let's go. 🤗
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Hope it was worth the wait!
@aubreyleonae4108
@aubreyleonae4108 8 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon Oh yes ! 🤗🤗🤗
@josh.kaptur
@josh.kaptur 8 ай бұрын
Romans 9 was the start of my deconstruction… the white rabbit in my matrix. This all powerful and all loving God creates vessels for honor and for dishonor. He actively hardens people’s hearts so he’ll be able to show his wrath, justice, etc. In other words, God WANTED the dark backdrop of sin and suffering in order for the glory of the gospel and beauty of Christ to shine forth more brightly. There is A LOT of collateral damage in that model… and the insiders telling me what a wonderful god he is while dismissing the mountain of evidence against that as a “mystery” where compatibilism or free will somehow make those unbelievers responsible. I talked to hundreds of my fellow Christians and none of them could explain it away without contorting what the text actually says. It took years of questioning/listening/reading until it was just so obvious to me that the answer is that this Bible is not the perfect consistent inspired word of god I had believed it to be from childhood due to the family I was raised in. And then… the floodgates of all the other problems were opened.
@jaflenbond7854
@jaflenbond7854 8 ай бұрын
The BATTLE to the DEATH of planet Earth is still ATHEISTS, CHRISTIANS, and all RELIGIONS versus GOD and JESUS CHRIST Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and all Religions are all about mocking, opposing, and defying the authorities, will, commandments, and teachings of GOD and Jesus Christ and filling the world with Satanic LIES and false claims that - 1. the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ doesn't exist 2. the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are nothing but lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. GOD's Sovereignty and Jesus Christ's authority and teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" are all about filling the world with loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons. The "KINGDOM of GOD" is GOD's Rulership through Jesus Christ that will stop and put an end to all the Satanic arrogance, hatred, hypocrisies, cruelties, unkindness, ungratefulness, treacheries, lies, deceits, and falsehoods of Satan's Atheism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, and all forms of Religious Fanaticism and ensures planet Earth is safe and peaceful for all the loving, kind, considerate, and respectful Followers of Jesus Christ who are worthy and deserving of the loving, kind, and merciful GOD's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4. The "RESURRECTION of the DEAD" is the guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in GOD's right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@Daniel_De_Leon
@Daniel_De_Leon 6 ай бұрын
Brandon, reminder to bring back the worship song reviews! Also, fitting with the Romans theme, here's a couple hard rock songs to get you started, "Oh the Depths" by Wolves at the Gate and "O the Depths" by Attalus. Both songs would've ripped tears from me a few years ago.
@reformCopyright
@reformCopyright 8 ай бұрын
19:00 "We have peace with God" is the indicative mood. A plain statement. Subjunctive expresses a wish, opinion, hypothetical scenario, etc.
@jamesgrosrenaudjr812
@jamesgrosrenaudjr812 8 ай бұрын
I like that despite justification by faith and grace in the end . It’s still about your works . If your not doing certain things as a Christian your not a good Christian . by other Christian and the church leaders .
@TheRatzor
@TheRatzor 8 ай бұрын
I cant wait until you get to Revelations In some regard having faith is good but it's also really bad how can I continue to have faith in something that does not make any sense and it contradicts itself over and over, its like a spouse saying they are not cheating on you and you should have faith but then see text messages suggesting the otherwise clear as day!
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Good analogy!
@perilousrange
@perilousrange 8 ай бұрын
37:30 I may be in the minority on this, but I feel that Romans 13 is probably the most odious section (That's not excusing Job or Numbers, though). Unjust authority has been an monumental source of human misery and death, over thousands of years.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Indeed!
@perilousrange
@perilousrange 8 ай бұрын
@@MindShift-Brandon I saw InspiringPhilosophy's response to you yesterday. Sad that they didn't have the stones to address you in real-time. I guess it's easier to dismiss your points if you can't object to their steamrolling. Their prescriptive / descriptive arguments were not fair.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thank you. I actually get if they wanted to make a reply without me. After all i didn’t invite IP to my original video, but what did get me was how fallacious they were afterward and all the “questions” they had for me that they then answered poorly on my behalf. If they really wanted to understand and not bash there was a better option. But ill make a reply video for tuesday and see where it all settles.
@tzakman8697
@tzakman8697 8 ай бұрын
Forgive me for being Out of topic (again) but DarkMatter2525 realesed one of the most beautiful and inspirational atheistic videos i have seen.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
More than forgiven. It was a masterpiece
@jonathancox9659
@jonathancox9659 8 ай бұрын
I have my doubts about Paul's claim of being a pharisee. It seems to give him some credentials. But Paul doesn't seem well versed in Hebrew. He knows the Greek Septuagint really well. He knows Greek philosophy. He seems to even misinterpret the old testament with his takes on prophecy. Paul is a fishy character.
@OldMotherLogo
@OldMotherLogo 8 ай бұрын
Thank you. I have long observed that those who like to weaponize the Bible mostly quote either Paul or the Old Testament. Seldom do they quote the teachings of Jesus. Paul himself doesn’t even refer to the teachings of Jesus. They are not really Christians, they are Paulists.
@jaflenbond7854
@jaflenbond7854 8 ай бұрын
The LIES and FALSE CLAIMS of ATHEISTS and CHRISTIANS against the BIBLE, GOD, and JESUS CHRIST Atheists, Jehovah's Witnesses, SDAs, Mormons, Catholics, Baptists, Methodists, Born Again Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and fanatics of all kinds of Religions KNOW and are fully aware that they are the great, powerful, and superior persons on earth and the spreaders of the lies, tricks, and deceits that - 1. the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ doesn't exist and even if existing is still unworthy and undeserving to be honored and respected as the True and Sovereign GOD 2. the BIBLE is just a worthless book of lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales 3. the authority and teachings of Jesus Christ about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 are nothing but lies, myths, fictions, fantasies, and fairy tales. Lowly, ordinary, kind, and considerate persons on earth who honor and obey the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ as their loving, kind, and merciful GOD and Heavenly Father too KNOW and understand the TRUTH that - 1. GOD and Jesus Christ have nothing to do with the lies, tricks, and deceits of Atheists, Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, and all Religions in the world 2. submissiveness to the authority of Jesus Christ and obedience to his teachings too about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" will definitely be rewarded and favored by the loving, kind, and merciful GOD with ETERNAL LIFE and existence on earth without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4 3. the teaching of Jesus Christ about the "Resurrection of the Dead" is not for nothing but the guarantee that loving, kind, considerate, and respectful persons on earth who died recently and thousands of years ago like Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Job, Naomi, Ruth, King David, Jesus Christ's Followers and disciples, and many others will all be RESURRECTED back to life in GOD's right and proper time so they can live and exist on earth forever as citizens and subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" and fully enjoy the eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings of GOD and his Christ for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his GOD and Father's Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@nathanaellamb8647
@nathanaellamb8647 8 ай бұрын
I could imagine Paul being a good judge on a court with how much he liked to write legal opinions
@rokkitserjun
@rokkitserjun 8 ай бұрын
Paul actually does seem to be pretty intelligent and educated. Probably why he was so impactful within the faith. In his day he was probably one of the smartest people on the planet. Can't fault him for that, too bad he was shackled by the ignorance of his time. Imagine what he could have done with modern knowledge.
@jaynajuly2140
@jaynajuly2140 8 ай бұрын
My mother used the "Roman's Road" structure with me and my siblings growing up. Definitely interesting to witness cherry picking verses modeled by her right from the very start!
@ryangarrard3135
@ryangarrard3135 8 ай бұрын
Keep uo the great worok Brandon! I learn a lot from your videos and you help me a lot with my deconstruction of Mormonism and Christianity. Take care of yourself and looking forward to more of your work.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Appreciate that very much!
@spencersnead8160
@spencersnead8160 7 ай бұрын
A note about Romans 9-11: Romans 9 essentially says God has mercy upon whom he wants to have mercy. Who does he want to have mercy on? Romans 11 answers: everyone. The non elect from Romans 9 are later stated as eventually being saved. So a universalist reading of Romans might actually be consistent
@timboland7767
@timboland7767 6 ай бұрын
Universalists often claim Paul as a biblical proof, especially when he writes in 1. Tim that God wants everyone to be saved… (modern scholars doubt Paul‘s authorship of the letters to Timothy, but anyway…) I wonder how Calvinists would harmonize this with double predestination…
@jasonhighlander
@jasonhighlander 8 ай бұрын
I've been waiting for this one!!
@actionpoker7C2H
@actionpoker7C2H 8 ай бұрын
Can't wait to watch. FYI I could have spit my drink when InspiringPhilosophy read your comment on the stream reacting to your video. Watched maybe the first 40 minutes of it this morning Did they ever bring you in or can I skip the rest?
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks so much. They did not bring me on. I have a response video coming tuesday.
@rik80280
@rik80280 8 ай бұрын
It’s over 2 hours!! Who’s got time for that?? Can’t wait to get the highlights (lowlights?) on Tuesday. I bet it boils down to: “No, God is good because he said so. Because whatever he calls good is good because he gets to make the rules of morality.” I did it in 2 sentences not 2 hours!
@SSK-bloodfire
@SSK-bloodfire 2 ай бұрын
hey im pretty late, romans was one of my most favorite books, i was sda and were taught to adore the theology in it and lived by it. romans was pretty much drilled into us at every opportunity and we were expected to qoute it as a defense to our faith. this was a rather somewhat brief overview but still well done, i am surprised by what you managed to cover in that time frame. thanks so much for this, all your videos help my deconstruction especially at the stage i am right now
@k.atiebug
@k.atiebug 8 ай бұрын
Keep thinking! ⚛️
@tomsenior7405
@tomsenior7405 8 ай бұрын
Excellent work, Cheers. It has always troubled me that Paul took it upon himself to prescribe the new church doctrines. Thereby over-ruling the works and teachings of Jesus. And all this on the back of the most tenuous of explanations. It seems to me very much like a power-grab by an egotistical former Tax Collector with ideas of grandeur and his own nefarious motives. Yet, people listen to this person, thereby casting Jesus into a lower ranking on the authority scale. The new Hierarchy has become; God, Paul, Jesus and a Ghost. I remain unconvinced that this more palatable version of Christianity is any more valid then any other faith-based system.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Thanks, Tom!
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
@heavenbound7-7-7-7 8 ай бұрын
"egotistical former Tax Collector" Who?
@tomsenior7405
@tomsenior7405 8 ай бұрын
@@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Exactly. Who was Saul to correct a god?
@RayMottarelly
@RayMottarelly 7 ай бұрын
Beautiful (and impressive and useful) summary of "theologies developed from Romans"! These points have probably all been made before, but I like your style and presentation. They crystallize the problems in a truly convincing way.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate that!
@ohsnapitsmom
@ohsnapitsmom 8 ай бұрын
Saul’s Damascus Rd experience is pretty similar to Joseph Smiths ‘super natural’ experience… and pretty much every other cult leader in history. I call complete BS. Again, his whole story, message, and behavior scream textbook cult leader.
@TheAGNOSTIC_who_YT_CENSORS
@TheAGNOSTIC_who_YT_CENSORS 8 ай бұрын
36:27 This is an excellent point. I was never a Calvinist and I'm not the type of EX-Christian who has a particular fear of hell, but sometimes I wonder if on some subconscious level, my Christian upbringing isn't part of why I've never wanted to have children.
@integrationalpolytheism
@integrationalpolytheism 8 ай бұрын
I know i comment on all of your videos, but it's irresistible because this is such a good series. Gospels month was great, Acts week was very interesting. The next couple of months of Paul will be very interesting to hear your take on them. It's a pity this is such a whirlwind, but i think you are doing a great job of sticking to your predetermined format. You'll need to take six months or a year just to go through all of the side quests from the new testament, though! And that's a pity in a way, because i'd love to hear your take on Nag Hammadi, gospel of Judas, the Didache, 1 Clement, and even the dead sea scrolls one day, but all in good time. It's weird because of all the channels i subscribe to, yours feels like the most detailed AND the one that skims over things the fastest! Great work, very impressive the amount of research you have had to do for all of this.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Love this kind encouraging feedback! And dont worry i do hope to get to all the other texts still
@Cuffsmaster
@Cuffsmaster 8 ай бұрын
I enjoyed this look at Romans.. Thanks. AT some point in time I hope you take a deeper look into ROMANS.
@WinsteadB73
@WinsteadB73 7 ай бұрын
I have a feeling I’ll be coming back to this video many times to reference the lists of verses you went through and their discrepancies. Awesome job!
@umbomb
@umbomb 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! (Proofreader: “Dialectic” for “diatribe?”)
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 7 ай бұрын
Appreciate that!
@peterhughes8699
@peterhughes8699 8 ай бұрын
Another excellent video - thanks Brandon :)
@tulpas93
@tulpas93 4 ай бұрын
Gracias, hombre! ❤
@alexandraparadela9548
@alexandraparadela9548 7 ай бұрын
I love how you break everything down. Thank you Brandon ❤
@BeccaYoley
@BeccaYoley 8 ай бұрын
Well done!! I want to do some more research, but just from a high level I am a bit skeptical that Paul's conversion was the result of him authentically believing he had a vision, rather than some other reason or alternate motivation. But I could be off base.
@heavenbound7-7-7-7
@heavenbound7-7-7-7 8 ай бұрын
"I am a bit skeptical that Paul's conversion was the result of him authentically believing he had a vision" What makes you think like this?
@BeccaYoley
@BeccaYoley 8 ай бұрын
​@heavenbound7-7-7-7 Visions are often used as an after math justification for a person doing what they want to do anyways. Especially back in that day when proclaimed visions were so frequently used to influence others. Or, if a person has a change in motivation or desire for any various reason, their subconscious is more likely to provide them with a vision, dream, or intense feeling supporting their new desire. In both these hypotheticals, the change in desire occurs first, and then the vision.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
thanks so much. Anything is possible, but if there was one person in the NT that I think we can really believe that they believed, it would be Paul. Not saying it's not misguided, warped, unfair, etc, but whatever the cause or reason was, he does indeed seem to genuinely believe it.
@BeccaYoley
@BeccaYoley 8 ай бұрын
​@@MindShift-Brandon I see! It's quite an intriguing change of heart scenario.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
@BeccaYoley i of course could be wrong. After all i have a history of believing in the sincerity of “good men of god”
@9ja9ite
@9ja9ite 8 ай бұрын
Hey Brandon. Amazing video. You did a great job with this Romans overview. It actually gave a bit of a new insight that helped with a question that's been bugging. I was wondering if you could do a side video or companion video to this section as you're going through Paul's epistle's about how they might have been assembled. That is if you have an understanding you feel like sharing. Since I started looking critically at all these texts and trying to put them in there historical context and timeline, one of the things that's bugged me is why or how we even have Paul's letters at all. It's obvious how a Gospel like Mark would had been shared but presumably a letter written to one group wasn't sent to all of them. So at what point did these letters start being gathered, copied, grouped together and used as authoritative texts? How would anyone even know to do that or where to get them? Then you contrast that with Gospels that contradict Paul's letters that were written AFTER his letters the picture of that time is very confusing as to how his particular views became the predominant theology and worth being collected. Anyway it's a very interesting point that I don't ever hear anyone else touch on and I'd love to hear your thoughts about it.
@jaflenbond7854
@jaflenbond7854 8 ай бұрын
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@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Great questions! More to come!
@26beegee
@26beegee 8 ай бұрын
👅 I am totally out of breath just listening! Don’t know how you covered so much info in such a short time!! Doesn’t everything in the NT counter everything in the OT? Why people even think there is any relationship between the two is beyond me.
@KenSketcher
@KenSketcher 8 ай бұрын
So many comments say thank you, Brandon. Well, I'll agree with them. You explain and simply the nonsense so we understand the text better. But one has to concentrate as you speak rather quickly.
@TonyLambregts
@TonyLambregts 8 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Glad to do it!
@LadyTati
@LadyTati 2 ай бұрын
I need to reformat my brain. I had forgotten how much of this book I had committed to memory until you read some of it out loud. (Love this series, btw. Late to the party, but here for it...)
@luizr.5599
@luizr.5599 8 ай бұрын
Hey, great vid. It's important to underline that the letters are placed after the Gospels and Acts just to harmonize the Pauline letters, whose order is messed up to misguide the historical perception of the reader and favor the orthodoxy of the interpretation (according to early orthofoxy that would become the Catholic and Orthodox churches).
@davidreyes19201
@davidreyes19201 8 ай бұрын
Yo Brandon that was a great breakdown! Thanks 🙏
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@Godless_Doc
@Godless_Doc 28 күн бұрын
This is an amazing series. I would love to see someone do this with the Koran and other religions books.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 21 күн бұрын
Thanks so much!
@tim57243
@tim57243 5 ай бұрын
The list of "Theologies Developed From Romans" ar 28:37 has been very useful. Repeatedly I have read a chapter of Romans and not got much from it because it seemed to be vague apocalyptic raving, and then I read that list and realize I missed something important.
@letsomethingshine
@letsomethingshine 7 ай бұрын
“… … and don’t forget to give me the money that afterward you will not be able to track...” ~ the 10th to last sentence of basically every letter/epistle from Saul turned Paul.
@jon.skeptischism
@jon.skeptischism 8 ай бұрын
Psyched for this, thanks Brandon.
@MindShift-Brandon
@MindShift-Brandon 8 ай бұрын
Hope it delivers!
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