Rome, the Far Right and the Future of History

[@tribunateSPQR]

How can historians join the fight against fascism?

[@bwocpowers5314]

How can you stop imposing your far left assumptions on Rome?

[@Giantcrabz]

By simply telling the truth like this channel does, among other things.

[@alphamikeomega5728]

By teaching history. Especially 1945

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

​@@alphamikeomega5728Is your argument that the axis lost?

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

By stopping to hallucinate an enemy?

[@onemoreminute0543]

I feel like if the Romans saw all the fascist attempts to revive/glorify their empire, they'd joke about it like: "A Lombard and a Frank walk into a tavern. They both say they are Romans" (cue Latin/Greek laughing track)

[@Yoosech9712]

They'd view liberal democracies and marxism in an even lower regard

[@Giantcrabz]

​@@Yoosech9712pretty sure they'd be like wtf is this internal combustion engine thing way before they cared about the particulars of our brand of oligarchy

[@darkhobo]

​@@Yoosech9712oh look. A fascist doing exactly what this video is all about... And naturally just being fucking wrong. And having it just... Totally backwards. A President (Consul) who manages the State. A Senate (and a House, kinda a Senate of Tribunes) and a Court. We have an Optimates (Republicans) and a Populates (Democrats) What do you think they would find issue with? The lack of slavery? It would probably blow their mind that slavery has continuously proven to be less economically effective than wage labor, but they wouldn't exactly detest the idea. Manumission was a deep Roman tradition. Romans were expected to, and/or legally had to free their slaves for all sorts of reasons. Economically they would take a minute to understand the Corporation and the Stock Market... But give them a year and a Roman is up to speed on Capitalism. Like, you clearly don't know shit about Rome if you think that. It's just nonsense. Our whole system is just an evolution of the Roman system.

[@ShehuStebe]

Haha, good one.

[@Gordon_Freeman_PhD]

​@@Yoosech9712 If they cared to look at it, they would probably just be flabbergasted that their slave mode of production no longer exists. If you tried to explain that all these changes are the result of the fall of their system and the subsequent rise of feudalism and then capitalism and explained those systems to them, they would probably just look at you like you are crazy.

[@wouefn]

Rome has been so studied that there already are histories of the historians of Rome. The fundamental problem here is that, since Rome is so ancient, very little evidence survived, so there is more poetic license for the historian to fill the gaps with his or her personal opinion. But I think that one very interesting theme of the modern-day American-European far-right is their concept of the Western race or Western man. Those amateur historians or outright internet ideologues spit a lot trivia about the Greeks, the Romans, the Middle Ages, the Modern era etc. etc. as if they were the direct heirs or descendants of their genetic/cultural legacy, but, in fact, any true, professional historian in Contemporary History can see that they didn't read the greats of Western History, e.g. the Greeks, the theorists of the State (also Plato, Hobbes, Morus, Machiavelli), the philosophers of Illuminism or even the original liberals like John Locke. The Americans probably didn't even read the original writings of the Founding Fathers. They think that, just because they carry the genetic material, they carry the culture, when, in fact, most of them probably have only read the Bible. So, in order to manifest the culture from the genes, they force a bunch of hurried nitpicked historical facts taken out of context in order to make absurd conclusions that, by a happy coincidence, corroborates to their own political agenda and worldview. Such worldview, of course, is part of our history - but contemporary history, not ancient.

[@zombspideyspecial]

i always say that the islamic caliphates and the arabs were the true inheritors of greek civilization because they actuallly READ the shit before many Europeans even actually cared about it, including the greeks themselves at the time. They were so busy hating their own pasts because they were christian it took a whole other abrahamic religion to SHOCK them into caring

[@MrLee-cy1pw]

Correction: No they did not read the bible lol.

[@JABN97]

@@MrLee-cy1pwmaybe the old testament, but certainly not the part about “love other people, including stranger” or “don’t trow stones when you are a sinner yourself”

[@MrLee-cy1pw]

@@JABN97 I was raised Christian. They're all fake. They use Jesus to boost their own vanity.

[@Mildau30]

Good to see. A channel dedicated to Roman history that is not riddled with far-right mythological historical revisionism. We need more channels such as this one.

[@LegoSwordViedos]

yep great to see far left historic revisionism and cherry picking.

[@darkhobo]

​@@LegoSwordViedosaww fascist troll is mad that his movement continues to be proven false, as it always has, throughout history. No revisionism needed to show that History is the story of Conservatism failing. Weird that "doing what got us into this mess" isn't the answer to society's problems.

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

Is this "far right mythological historical revisionism" in the room with us right now?

[@AleaRandomAm]

​@@Testimony_Of_JTF😂

[@bokrugthewaterserpent3012]

I don't think far left historical revisionism is any better tbh

[@JustinCage56]

*Reads title* *immediately goes to the comments* *grabs popcorn*

[@apollonphoebus7549]

This video reminded me of this one quote from Lotr: "Kings made tombs more splendid than the houses of the living, and counted the old names of their descent dearer than the names of their sons"

[@tribunateSPQR]

Great quote from one of my favorite books

[@johnmurdoch8534]

@@apollonphoebus7549 thats conservatives..not fascists.

[@theeducatedfool]

As a leftist with Greco-Roman culture as a special interest, I really appreciate how this channel can talk about the Empire without outright fetishizing it. The more critical perspective and exploring the broader implications of these different topics makes for some exciting listening.

[@laisphinto6372]

Metatron IS better because He doesnt do IT from a political lense

[@Jose-xh5qb]

​​@@laisphinto6372How much is Metagross paying you to shill? Also, rule 1 of politics, there is no such thing as apolitical.

[@dusk6159]

​@@Jose-xh5qb That's ideologies' bread and butter, but if you're that extreme and gone suit yourself with telling yourself that People on the right and left can by the way absolutely tell History, speak, function etc without being bias for the right or for the left

[@dusk6159]

​@@Jose-xh5qb And Metatron is a good example as well To begin with you don't hear him go on about "the cõmmûnists!" or "the fàscïsts!"

[@Chaika1974]

​@@dusk6159 No, Metatron just starts whining about "le wokes" in half of his videos

[@Aloemancer]

I love the little touch of only ever portraying Mussolini and Meloni upside down 😂

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Meloni isnt fit to polish mussolinis shoes.

[@joshkorte9020]

It's their proper orientation

[@joshuacampbell1625]

I feel like the main myth that the right-wing often push about Rome, that it fell because of excessive migration from outside its borders, is actually one its weakest as well. Not only was the actually events the led to the collapse of western rome WAY more complex then this simple narrative suggests, it also glosses over the fact that Rome had centuries of experience before this of successfully assimilating different peoples into its social fabric, and the fact that this was no longer case by the 4th century was largely due to the damage caused by succesive civil wars that broke the states ability or willingness to be able to continue that trend, not because of some kind of cultural or racial incompatibility of said peoples.

[@onemoreminute0543]

Imo the biggest factor that led to the fall of the west was the failure to form a civilian based government and still be dominated by the military. The east was able to undermilitarise and restore a civilian government under the eunuch Eutropius at the start of the 5th century and so survived. But the west failed, allowing barbarian generals like Ricimer and Odoacer to gain enough power to eventually dissolve the state by 476.

[@Testimony_Of_JTF]

This is actually true but I have not seen that many (actually any) right winger use this argument/myth. Also it is not surprising Rome would be unwilling to assimilate pagans that were pillaging them a few years ago.

[@bokrugthewaterserpent3012]

I mean if you consider "invading armies" to be migrants then I guess it works

[@rhett3185]

difference is, they don't just speak of the immigration issues, they call out many of the faults that plagued and led to Rome's eventual collapse. You are being quite selective about history and its implications too, if you think the fascist/nazi ideologues didn't also call out corrupt politicians, societal degradation, usurious banking practices, degenerate culture, and decadence.

[@robert9016]

@@rhett3185Yeah, the small difference being they scapegoat all their ails on the Jews rather than the actual root of the issue. Pretty big difference actually.

[@gow2ilove]

One of the main things I have liked about your channel is that you're clearly not a pair of right wing nutcases

[@tribunateSPQR]

It unfortunately seems like we're one of the few ancient history channels able to make that claim.

[@Lucasp110]

The other is the certified Cato-hating™

[@cosmicdark92]

Nope just Marxists, apparently.

[@cosmicdark92]

Nope, just Marxist ones I guess.

[@nenadtomanic1211]

Many thanks to our channel members: ‘Socialism ;)’ Ahh your true red colours are peeking through.

[@mra4521]

12:04 That line on “the fundamental forces that shape our lives” put the Berserk theme in my head in a good way, because using the past as a canvas for the future is what the baddies of that story do. And the main baddie’s emblem is a hawk.

[@dusk6159]

Also that symbol* there are other bad guys with other symbols, and not just in Beijing and Moscow of course

[@lastrationalist7890]

It should also be noted that Griffith (the main villain) has many similarities to how several Roman Emperors formed, mainly through charismatic coercion and abusive misuse of symbolism that managed to get the masses to support him. In fact, when you think about it, Berserk's overall theme is a fight against Roman style imperialism given that Griffith represents the imperial Falconia which gives people a false sense of utopia by blinding them from the true nature of the city. While Guts (the protagonist) is fighting against Griffith and the creation of Falconia, all the while allying himself with people who clearly represents old European pagan/polythestic beliefs and were destroyed/genocided by Falconia's creation.

[@mra4521]

@@lastrationalist7890 Griffith is also a Jesus Allegory. Post-Roman Conversion and Only Permitted State Religion Jesus Allegory. A lot of subreddit users say he’s the Antichrist, but I think that makes the story too simple.

[@TheEruditeCritic]

Good video! As Walter Benjamin puts it, "Articulating the past historically does not mean recognizing it ‘the way it really was’... Every age must strive anew to wrest tradition away from the conformism that is working to overpower it." Tragic that Benjamin was killed by the Nazis just before he managed to escape, but it is a reminder of how we must be wary of invocations of history. To have such an overbearing narrative the way the Nazis did is dangerous, especially when your imagination is consumed by a totalizing view of history.

[@Caleb6000]

They run a similar play with the whole 'Indo-European' theory when talk like every European is descended from a single unified tribe of Indo-European Chads 😂

[@lestergreen2828]

No, but all Europeans are descended from either indo Europeans, Anatolian Bronze Age farmers, or ancient western hunter gathers. Most are some mix of these 3

[@darkhobo]

Yeah just don't tell them the P.I.E. people were Asian Steppe peoples more like the Turks or the Mongols than the blue eyed blonde Scandinavian looking MFs they want them to be. And they more likely came in like Attila or Ghengis Khan. They weren't the civilization builders. They were civilization destroyers. On a massive scale. They weren't the only kind of people over that vast an area... They just killed everyone that was in that vast area. Killed, enslaved and Incorporated the rest. But I guess to those people thats the selling point huh?

[@Thunderous333]

​@@lestergreen2828Anyone with European blood is also related to every proto-human species, and every African and Asian if you go farther back.

[@sebjornsprauten1406]

Well we got their horses, and wheels, and language, and polytheism, and genes, and lactose tolerance, thats pretty chad imo😂

[@MatthewCaunsfield]

This is why knowledge of history is so important! Otherwise nuance just vanishes into the ether...

[@kalwardin5984]

The best channel on KZbin

[@phillipmitchell2254]

The upside-down Mussolini in the thumbnail 😙👌

[@Thunderous333]

Is this a reference to someth-... Ohhhh lmfao that's hilarious

[@phillipmitchell2254]

@@Thunderous333 Savoury

[@111hh3]

we have nor forgot or forgiven. when will be our turn yall will find out that there is no end to cruelty

[@Thunderous333]

@@111hh3 keep larpin bud

[@phillipmitchell2254]

@@111hh3 There already is no end to cruelty under capitalism and fascism.

[@emuannihilator5774]

As an Australian, I take offence to depicting Fascists as one of us /s.

[@malapertfourohfour2112]

How come it's always regrettable that far right movements are emerging but never regrettable that those in power are creating material conditions that give rise to a far right? 🤔

[@nousername-zs3yh]

exactly !

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Both are regrettable, that’s why we need to create class consciousness, otherwise the rich will simply use fascism as a means to suppress any true chance at revolution

[@chadthundercock4806]

@@ezrafriesner8370Fascist wars against global capitalism: 1, communist wars against global capitalism: 0

[@ezrafriesner8370]

@@chadthundercock4806 when was there a single war against global capitalism? If you’re talking about WW2, the Nazis were more then happy to be capitalistic as ever, just ask Fanta and basically ever German car company who was buying their wares

[@GilTheDragon]

Those two are the same thing. "Right wing" is a metonym for conservative if not outright regressive forces. It is expected that the powerful seek to conserve power; it is regrettable that the people fall for their tactics

[@KrytoRift]

I prefer a messy, complicated and interesting history to anything diluted down to some ideology

[@CSmith-hx2pm]

It’s so refreshing to see someone on this website practice historical materialism towards the ancient world. Beautiful video. Thanks for making it.

[@davidalanis3217]

Buen video Tu trabajo es excelente, y siempre es bienvenida una vision objetiva de la historia, incluyendo la contemporanea Saludos desde Mexico

[@everssonnascimento4601]

Great video, thanks!

[@andydupree9091]

Another great video guys! Keep it up

[@davec1211]

doing you a favor by liking, commenting and .. ah, ive already subscribed.

[@eversonalmeida9866]

This is one of the very best history videos on KZbin, i can't praise it enough. "The actual past is too complex for the simplistic black and white narratives that they rely on". That's the best definition I've heard about the far-right narratives ever. Congrats.

[@jonathanguzman3044]

These solid takes that respect the Roman Empire but don’t mythologize it is why I subscribe.

[@TransgenderAncientHistory]

What a fantastic video and channel. Thank you for what you do ❤

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thanks - love your work as well!

[@StanGB]

Well done

[@tribunateSPQR]

thank you!

[@johnmanole4779]

​@@tribunateSPQR could you do more videos on this topic?

[@johnmanole4779]

@@tribunateSPQR maybe you could do a reaction to the comments you get here from the "centrist" to the right wingers.

[@tribunateSPQR]

@@johnmanole4779 I may come back to this at a later point if Ancient Rome keeps being harnessed in present political debates i.e. the surge in people saying the Trump conviction was "Crossing the Rubicon". But for the time being the next wave of content will be more concentrated on the ancient past directly.

[@Nodim1er]

This is very good history content.

[@mamacoloco7285]

Thank you for speaking out! It is so frustrating how reactionaries reduce the extremely fascinating history and cultures of Rome to their idiotic narratives. You are doing the good work!

[@laisphinto6372]

That Dude isnt much better He IS the Same Shit from another Site, metatron does that better, Invicta does that better and He IS more left leaning Guy but leaves His modern Politics behind because its idiotic trying to Push modern Politics into the ancient world

[@rustomkanishka]

Love this video more than any video I've seen in the past few years about Rome. Thank you for doing this.

[@tribunateSPQR]

Wow, thanks so much for the high praise - we’re going to keep creating Roman history content for all because history and its lessons belong to everyone

[@callido592]

As a History and Latin Student, who has a special interest in Roman history and historical materialist analysis of history, i love this video, especially loved the conclusion about fascists thinking "death is stronger than life". I also wanna thank you for taking a stance, which no doubt will hurt your popularity among people who want to believe in the myth of the Roman Empire, as you called it. Keep up the good work!

[@dyinggaul8365]

It was dumb as a bag of rocks. Middle school debate club dumb.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

@@dyinggaul8365”I don’t like video, it bad dum dum” you sound like a bloody child

[@Dataism]

Noted

[@brennans2286]

Keep making these. 🙏🫡

[@yaseminyilmaz1648]

I only found your channel a few weeks ago but it is such a relief to find a history channel here that refrains from any far right fetishisation of Rome

[@evilsponge6911]

Yeah I have no interest in be recruited to anyone's cause, left or right, and especially not on youtube.

[@nickyman5557]

Nobody wants to recruits you mouthbreather, go watch a marvel movie

[@Giantcrabz]

would you say you take a ...Third Position?

[@Hector_Moira]

⁠@@Giantcrabz Cut the BS bro, he’s not a Fascist for saying that.

[@laziestslacker]

Thanks for this video, this was a great explanation on how history is much more active than just noting facts and also highlighted the core role historians/history can play in terms of promoting critical thinking and complicating simplified political dreams of the past. Looking forward to your future videos.

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thank you - very glad you enjoyed it and found the video useful

[@DigitalGhost269]

I love seeing a history channel speak truth instead of spreading the lies buried in historical entertainment. It's an important n helps keep folk like myself out of a mass grave behind a Walmart.

[@lucasduberger-deret3550]

Bravo!

[@CSmith-hx2pm]

Great video. Refreshing.

[@NicolasCaja]

to be an historian without engaging in politics is to be a liar, great video 😗

[@colindunnigan8621]

Sigh, why can't an aspiring Empire claim it's the true successor to someplace more modest, like downtown Duluth or something?

[@rockthered8706]

best ancient history channel

[@laisphinto6372]

No IT isnt ranting about modern Politics and trying to Push your own modern Politics into ancient rome IS dumb AS hell.

[@nickyman5557]

@@laisphinto6372 do you think the point of history is to endlessly recount details of ancient battles and wars or do you think analysis of systems is more important. We are just as human as the Romans it’s not like they are some alien species

[@laisphinto6372]

@@nickyman5557 yeah but they arent modern Humans they have vastly different Viewpoints and Roman politics werent Like modern , they didnt even have Parties ,the optimates and Popularies were Just different ways to achieve Power Not strong political Viewpoints since Roman politics were about individual Romans Not Party lines. Trying to Push modern political Points dont make Sense in ancient Rome

[@nickyman5557]

@@laisphinto6372 they didn’t have parties but they did have class conflict, that has been present from the beginning of class society by its very nature

[@nickyman5557]

@@laisphinto6372 also noting individual differences does not prevent comparison becaise there are many other similarities especially in their economic problems

[@AbdullahKhan-lp6bo]

banging video! love the channel guys and keep up the incredible work

[@AbdullahKhan-lp6bo]

also loved meloni being upside down lmaoo

[@tribunateSPQR]

thank you so much, and thank you for the support!

[@Hector_Moira]

Listen. I agree with you on the danger of the far-right using history for their own ends and to your description of the role of the Historian. BUT… I can’t help but note that you said stuff like “the struggle of social classes over the Means of Production” are a part of the “objective” view of the past & yet you also say that “it is impossible to locate the objective past”. So this tells me you’re coming from more of a Marxist view of history, which in turn means that you are also imposing a modern ideology on the past yourself. The constant repetition of “Fascist” was also a tipoff. The second quote strikes as more Post-Modernist. The claim that it’s impossible to gather an objective few of history is RIDICULOUS! What’s the point of studying history in the first place?! You blew up your argument as now the Far-Right view is just as legitimate as your own, since now subjectivity=objectivity

[@ph43draaa]

Get a job

[@Hector_Moira]

@@ph43draaa ?

[@eshanroveran7850]

@@ph43draaaProjection at it’s finest.

[@someshtbaglcpl5455]

Excellent critique. I knew it was going to be a fun ride when he called AfD ‘Neo-nazis’

[@130lukas]

The video itself mentions that to achieve an objective view of history is impossible due to the bias inherent in every person studying it; including themselves This however does not discredit the *pursuit!* of such a way of being because ultimately the goal should be by attempting to understanding how we behaved and acted in the past we become better more knowledgeable people of the future and continue to desire life and change versus pursuing something incorrectly glorified as a modern talking point that has long since ceased existing.

[@shzarmai]

Interesting video man ❤❤.

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thanks!

[@shzarmai]

@@tribunateSPQR you're welcome ;)

[@Warmaker01]

3:07 Bravo, sir!

[@marvelfannumber1]

I agree with the premise of the video, and think it's an important topic to discuss. I feel like a big problem here though is that the video feels a bit vacuous without specific examples. I liked the Arminius and Mussolini ones in the beginning, but after that it just kind of devolves into rambling. Which is fine if this is supposed to be like a rant video, but I don't think that's what this channel is about? It also has the problem of just coming off as kinda preachy. I don't think this will be a very convincing thesis to people who don't already agree with the premise. In the future, if you want to do more videos like this, I think it could be better to narrow down on specific examples to make your broader point. That's just my two cents.

[@nickyman5557]

It wasn’t even worth one cent

[@Thunderous333]

Did we watch the same vid or did you just tune out the video? He made perfectly clear sense throughout the whole video.

[@marvelfannumber1]

@@Thunderous333 Did we read the same comment, because nowhere did I say the video did not make sense. I said it comes off as vacuous, rambling and preachy.

[@Thunderous333]

@@marvelfannumber1 Can you not infer that I meant I disagreed with that premise? I don't think it's much of a leap. By "clear sense" I meant it made sense and came off well written. I don't find it preachy, but punchy. I don't find it ranty, but emotion-filled. This person obviously cares about the subject and is over it being co-opts by individuals looking to warp history into their safe haven fantasy. If that's too preachy or too ranty, then who cares? I'd much rather someone show genuine emotion about life and the need to accept the death of things than someone who keeps blindly glorifying the last time the Romans killed millions of people, as if reading a fantasy novel where the Orcs get killed by the walking white savior complex main character.

[@marvelfannumber1]

@@Thunderous333 I think I see why you don't find the video preachy, because your comment is equally preachy. Birds of a feather I suppose.

[@9kfb]

This channel is so so good

[@adwaitnaravane5285]

Micheal from arkansas when he goes to ancient rome and its just a bunch of italian streetshitters and not Cicero and plini on every street.

[@phrabb5242]

A guy with your name cannot afford to call any nationality "streetshitters" stop projecting

[@augustoch.7341]

To be fair I'm pretty sure there was more streetshitters in ancient Rome than nowadays.

[@PanzerfaustBR]

I loved Mussolini's picture upside down. This is the way.

[@ElvingsMusings]

Nazi Germany attitudes was all over the place. They admired BOTH Arminius AND Augustus and they never had a linear identification with any one source. For all that some Nazis had a fixation for medieval Germania, when archaeologists found a mass grave from Charlemagne’s campaign against Saxon pagans during the third reich, Nazis refused to denounce it as a war crime even if some on the right insisted that Charlemagne be ‘canceled’ as we’d now say it. Furthermore, Romeboos exist on the far left. Stalin was an avid reader of classical history, and admired Augustus a great deal and sought to emulate him.

[@pao5567]

Stalin 😍 Augustus

[@lottie1144]

Why are you using the term “Nazis?” Germans back then were National Socialists protectors of their folk, land, culture, wealth and resources.

[@nickyman5557]

History changes with increased historical evidence, what Stalin knew about Augustus and what we know now are two difffent things

[@ElvingsMusings]

@@nickyman5557 All we have are new interpretations but Stalin had the same facts about Augustus that we do. There hasn’t been many new archaeological finds that significantly altered the record.

[@nickyman5557]

@@ElvingsMusings it really about how it was written earlier historical writing of Augustus were more positively inclined

[@durfkludge]

I've somehow tuned the algo to serve me mostly anti-fash history and scrap metal content and I think that's ok 👍

[@pepeabascal412]

Excellent reminder of today’s trends in the new right

[@jeffreyhawn3562]

Top notch video mates well done

[@rustomkanishka]

Thanks!

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thank you for the support, it means the world to us

[@Giantcrabz]

Thanks! What a breath of fresh air to see a channel with marble busts that ISN'T a sad reactionary incel. Keep doing your thing Tribunate! 161/365! edit: oh yeah I also wanted to add some suggestions for the audience re: reading material about fascism -- The Anatomy of Fascism by Robert Paxton, Discourse on Colonialism by Aimé Césaire, and The Continuing Appeal of Nationalism by Fredy Perlman.

[@bokrugthewaterserpent3012]

You'd probably like Metatron then, he's pretty happy and married

[@mateuszmisztela601]

"incel" - really?

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thank you for the kind words and support! We will continue to oppose the far right wherever they rear their ugly heads and work to confront the hijacking of history to spread hate.

[@Giantcrabz]

​@@mateuszmisztela601 yes. Bitter, entitled men are THE recruiting ground for fascism and grifters like Kermit the Fraud.

[@bokrugthewaterserpent3012]

@@tribunateSPQR you are literally hijacking history lmfao The sheer lack of self awareness from Marxists is astounding

[@yamibbgc9150]

Heya, I`d like to make an appriciation post here folks. I would like to thank you dearly since you guys helped get into and take an interest in roman history. I for my entire life have been a history-philososphy nerd for my entire life so far (not too long lol) but the roman period was always barred from me due to mainly 2 reasons : 1) I had no idea what books were the correct ones and 2) Most of the people in this platform that I watched were romejerkers so...yeah, safe to say I was kind of appalled by that one, especially due to being Greek myself and knowing such nutjobs irl. That changed with your videos on Caesar that I watched out of curiosity and then got hooked Also, as a young marxist myself (of the leninist current) seeing any channel tackling ancient history through that lense is always a treat. Keep doing what you are doing my friends and let us all smash the swastika and the fashie once again!

[@Lucasp110]

Im not one for dialectical materialism but damn this video is bang on. As Unamumo said to General Milan Astray: "¡Viva la muerte!"? O muera la vida? Y yo, que me he pasado toda mi vida creando paradojas que enojaban a los que no las comprendían, he de deciros como autoridad en la materia que esa paradoja me parece ridícula y repelente"

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thanks, and that's an absolute banger quote I believe a material approach has its uses but agree that it falls short of a comprehensive rubric for interpreting history. In my opinion ideas matter as much as material conditions and the two can be so interrelated at times that it is nearly impossible to parse them at all.

[@Y_ooKang]

Would they view us as stupid or ideological superior

[@pao5567]

50/50 I would say

[@Thunderous333]

They would have such a different frame of mind about the world they would literally have no idea what to make of it. Like, even the idea of washing their hands would blow their minds.

[@IonutPaun-lp2zq]

We definitely don't need another Sulla, I don't know what Elon was thinking when posting that.

[@jbb4105]

mandatory comment for the algorithm god

[@Bruh-cg2fk]

I love rome too

[@2Sor2Fig]

I have loved learning of your channel. I can only give you a sub and a like, but I also feel you might enjoy reading Malazan Book of the Fallen.

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thanks so much, I'll check it out!

[@rosakmoren6291]

keep going fellas

[@kadmii]

your point about combating fascism being a the fight of life against death is very ur-christian. Not the pageantry nor the conflations of christianity and nationalism perpetuated to shore up power, but the idea that life defeats death and that we must strive for life, newness, liberation, a common humanity, and so on. It's no wonder that fascists always seek to commandeer religious institutions, convert them over to obedient transmitters of their ideology of death worship, purge those who are keenly aware of the ideology of liberation, so on

[@tschohanfaitscher3481]

An offering for the algorithm

[@countdowntorevolution9986]

dont agree with all your interpretations but it is great to see any corrective against the clueless right wing interpretations of history that are all over KZbin (& even more so in the comments sections) keep it up, comrade.

[@VintageYakyu]

THANK YOU, for this.

[@byzantinegold]

Thanks for making your political views more clear - I liked your channel at first but smelled something off after the clear bias in your video about Cato.

[@Iker888]

I find this argument strange. You say at the same time, “they don’t give a shit about history”, then “history is the keystone to the current expansion of the far right”. I find this to be a bit of a caricature. Frankly, I don’t think people in general give a shit about history, especially those driven by ideology on any point of the spectrum and will readily wield it to weave whatever argument supports their stance. Reducing the contemporary surge of the right in Europe to an ideologically-driven fascist revival seems reductionist and discredits a priori whatever particularly modern issues have fed this surge. Sure, many are racists and ideologues. Most, I suspect, are merely misguided, and many of their concerns on policy, inequality, poverty, unemployment, deindustrialization, fears of modernity, natural reactions to rapid demographic shifts, are not sincerely discussed in the public sphere. So they find refuge in fringe figures with nostalgic and reactionary tendencies. In the same vein, you won’t win back those lost to any manner of outlandish conspiracy theories by pedantically belittling their intelligence. To make my point clear, I do worry about the proliferation of the right and nativist sentiments, but I do not think they are fascists. So they must be carefully and sincerely treated as what they are (a movement born of real modern issues, not regurgitated by history) to be properly resolved or at least contained.

[@llow2023]

Agreed, he's not engaging but merely disparaging. Genuinely disappointing.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

You’ve misunderstood what he meant. One can use history as a tool for pushing your own myths backwards while not actually caring for history itself.

[@jonsigwanz7993]

Thank you this video was just what I needed to hear and I agree with you that history is inherently political and as students and teachers of history we must record and teach it as such to the general public. BTW I just wanted to say thankyou for your videos because they helped guide my in my research paper for my Bachelors degree which I just finished.

[@tribunateSPQR]

Thank you so much - very glad that this content helped you in your research, that is incredibly meaningful to us. What was your paper on?

[@jonsigwanz7993]

@@tribunateSPQR How the differing economics and resource usage helped Rome win the second Punic war.

[@darkclownKellen]

This one went a little too far at moments.

[@gabo1841997]

Everyone’s entitled to their niche/echo chamber, didn’t realize there was a side of KZbin for history fans with a leftist worldview. Cool for them!

[@nevisysbryd7450]

Quite a few of them, actually, since modern academia leans left. Indeed, in my experience, most history channels are either apolitical, a few poor quality right-wing ones (and still largely neoconservative or adjacent there), or blatantly left-leaning. It is rarely much different from Reddit.

[@Sergio1Rodrigues]

That was a very beautiful and necessary video

[@tribunateSPQR]

thank you - some of the seething comments here prove why it is necessary to tackle this misinformation head on

[@Nilsis1986]

is it not too easy to call melono and afd neonazi? like guilt by association? you might be able to say a neonazi is an afd voter, but then to say all afd voters and indeed the whole party is? you dont think mass migration and the pressure it bring to the underclass is a concern for them? what do you know about this? you make broad generalisations in my opinion....

[@kimashitawa8113]

Anyone that doesn't want their country swarmed with foreigners is a fascist in their eyes.

[@Dos_Caffeine]

Rome is a fascinating topic, but it's history can be overlooked and exploited for political gain

[@megalodon3655]

Here’s a question if Augustus or Julies ceased personally lead a Roman army into Germania would they have had better luck and been able to conquer Germninia since they were brilliant generals especially Caesar. Reason I ask this is because I am an alternate history fan but I hate it when it’s hijacked by certain people in the right like monziuer z and instead of making a realistic alternate history channel they made a unrealistic timeline where the Roman Empire survives😂. Me personally if the Romans did manage to conquer Germania I feel like it would be like Roman conquest of Britain where they don’t settle a lot of Romans due to the region having so many forests but just enough to not have problems. Tribes like the alamni Ostrogoths Visigoths and Franks and subei would be latinized and I do see any Germanic tribes eventually escaping and going further east and they would eventually destroy the Roman Empire like in our timeline only difference being at a slower pace and due to the fact the Romans would be overstretched they would never conquer England.

[@android65mar]

fascinating content

[@Giantcrabz]

clever

[@Boardwoards]

plopped on my plank to this

[@Ζήνων-ζ1ι]

I knew this channel would fall into the delirium and cry about the fascist boogyman eventually. It was good while it lasted.

[@cosmicdark92]

Same bro, I was excited to find a cool up and coming channel about Rome that didn't see everything through our modern day politics. Tragic.

[@nickyman5557]

What channel have you been watching they have always been explicitly leftist

[@bluemachine1025]

Fascism goes against Roman Ideology, facissim is cringe and weak, only weak minded plebs follow facissim.

[@Ζήνων-ζ1ι]

@@nickyman5557 explicitly? A few shorts complaining about Elon Musk is not that explicit. I haven't seen many videos from them but there aren't many obvious political ones. "Were the Romans racist" seems more like a cultural comparison than any modern political commentary

[@nickyman5557]

@@Ζήνων-ζ1ι the racism of the Romans is directly related to those of today. Also they explicitly talk about the assassination of the Gracchi brothers and Caesar as class related

[@skies_have_fallen]

Fantastic!

[@alananimus9145]

For the algorithm gods.

[@TheDistributist]

We should talk sometime

[@ryanminor2677]

The left: everyone I disagree with is a natzi The right: everyone I disagree with is a commie Me: I hate you both equally, I just want to learn about history

[@emberd-l795]

Life before death, brother.

[@tauIrrydah]

January 6th was the resurrection of the 'Mob'

[@Reathety]

Saying that everyone is far right makes this channel sound like it's run by a political activist. Also, fascism isn't national socialism. There's a huge difference. I guess stick to Rome and ignore more recent history.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

There isn’t a huge difference. Nazis were textbook fascists and proponents of so called “national socialism”, which as about as socialist as the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic

[@ShummaAwilum]

Earned my sub. Down with fascism!

[@tribunateSPQR]

Bella Ciao

[@lobsterwithhisshouldersbac8368]

It’s not far right to use common sense and see the moral degradation of Rome and how it played a massive part in it’s downfall. It’s almost standard through all human history that the fall of a great civilizations always comes with moral degradation. No i’m not republican or far right. Supporting the constitution and a life based on values is simply the best path to happiness and success.

[@johnmurdoch8534]

Will Durant, Gibbon, even the romans themselves acknowledged these forces at work. The thing is they are at work today but we are told such degradations are good things, its like we are being told this dissolution and collapse is actually a positive step. I imagine this was the case in ancient Rome as well, hence the collapse in the west was met with indifference in 476, with a number of italians even preferring barbarian rule with its inefficient taxation and less intrusive structure.

[@lobsterwithhisshouldersbac8368]

@@johnmurdoch8534 Very accurate.

[@Thunderous333]

Welp looks like you attracted the right crowd for this one lmao

[@johnmanole4779]

He did. Idiots who don't want "politics" in their art, history, movies etc don't seem to understand that in life almost everything is political and ought to be spoken about not ignored into oblivion.

[@nickyman5557]

@@johnmanole4779 these are the same people who talk about Star Wars “becoming political” while fanboying over the Empire

[@johnmanole4779]

@@nickyman5557 not only that but forget that G. Lucas was inspired by the Vietnam war.

[@Adsper2000]

@@nickyman5557Tbf the sequels will always be garbage, with or without wokeness.

[@nickyman5557]

@@Adsper2000 Rise of Skywalker is genuinely the worst science fiction movie ever released. Zero redeeming qualities

[@chr0matic556]

good video :) sorry for the hate

[@tribunateSPQR]

In the words of FDR "I welcome their hatred"

[@chr0matic556]

@@tribunateSPQR my favorite president

[@CelticLifer]

Great job debunking pseudo history and hate

[@JanDahl]

Dear diary...

[@lestergreen2828]

No argument was actually made in the video against fascism. “Their ideology is built on a specific, biased interpretation of history.” Ok, so has literally every society since the Romans with Romulus being a veteran of the Trojan war, Japans imperial family descending from the sun god Amaterasu, or Americas/Americans understanding of democracy/liberalism being a myth that came out of World War 2. Literally every political movement and civilization uses history to justify its existence. If history was just an objective field of study like science, there would be no point in studying it besides just having random factoids to talk about. Also, what exactly is wrong about Germany seeing Arminius as a national hero? France sees Charlemagne as the founder of a unified France, Pelagius is a Spanish hero for beginning the reqonquista, etc… Also, yes, the 2019 study on the ethnic composition of Rome showed that the dregs of society were imported from Mesopotamia and elsewhere throughout the reign of the late empire, leading to a significant erosion of Roman identity and values, beginning with Caracalla giving all Roman’s citizenship. Anyways, I’m just confused as to what the thesis/argument of this video is.

[@LegoSwordViedos]

White people bad, rome bad, rome did nothing good, etc etc. oh and from their last video Rome is particularly EVIL, because Romans used crucifixion. neglecting that plenty of other cultured crucified Romans and it was actually the Romans picked it up likely from punics. And other places had execution methods likely worse. so likely it was Carthage that taught Rome that. But this channel was trying to flip it all around that Carthage war better and Rome is just evil. Rome is not really good or evil by standards of the time it was just like everyone else, trying to gain territory and land. like literally every other society or country out there. For good and Ill unifying the continent even loosely did bring certain benefits but also other drawbacks. I only bother to watch this channel to see the various inaccuracies they spew and to see how they conflate everything they see to back up their cherry picked world view of some collectivist Marxist whatever. But I'm sure they will get plenty of views jumping on the hate all western civilization no matter what band wagon.

[@Giantcrabz]

"reactionaries use historical revisionism and cherry picking about Rome for their political agenda not based in reality". Not that hard.

[@Kilometerboy23]

He stated several times, very clearly, that history is not an objective subject, that is one of the main premises of the video. I don’t mean this to be rude but it seems like you’re having trouble comprehending some incredibly simple concepts, this might not be the right video for you.

[@Kilometerboy23]

You also unironically just proved his point by picking a singular study from a vast array of evidence to try to make your argument 😂 Jesus Christ dude

[@dvdrtrgn]

You seem to be saying that we need more arguments against fascism nowadays. Most learned adults don’t require this. I see that fascism is rearing its ugly head again.

[@borginburkes1819]

This video made all the fascists angry. 😂

[@tribunateSPQR]

We can count it as a success

[@criaturaimaginaria5230]

Meloni fascista? It seems fascism means nothing these days…

[@nenadtomanic1211]

Shades of grey are important but those on the left are the only people with human dignity and compassion… Your tolerance knows no bounds. What exactly does a fascist believe and have you ever met someone who believes these things? No one escapes death but life is stronger than death. The incoherence of your arguments knows no bounds.

[@andreamarino6010]

Are you perchance, a communist? I like your analysis and i noticed some marxist elements in this analysis: class struggle, production forces, anti great man theory so loved by bourgeoisie historiography and so on

[@Hector_Moira]

I agree, I noticed the same. He seems to have a traditionally Marxist view of history. That’s not entirely bad, as there are elements which highlight areas often overlooked. But it does make him look like a hypocrite if he’s also imposing a modern ideology of the past.

[@Hector_Moira]

But that doesn’t mean that he identifies as a Communist. He could simply see himself as just generally left or socialist, or even centrist.

[@andreamarino6010]

@@Hector_Moira Marxist view of history is not a merely "imposing modern ideology" on the past. It's an actual complete economical-political-social analysis based on hsitorical materialism. That being said, yeah he could be a liberal but usually people who are this knowlegeable of certain aspects of marxism are rarely not marxists

[@Hector_Moira]

@@andreamarino6010 That’s what is claimed. But they’re using Marx’s ideas of “class struggle” and “seizing means of production” to guide they’re reading of history. Which will often lead to these historians conforming and distorting what they see to the ideology instead of the opposite. Even if they don’t parrot it, they still may accidentally allude to the central narrative of communism onto the past and call it fact. So it is imposing of an ideology.

[@nickyman5557]

@@Hector_Moira shut up centrist

[@TarpeianRock]

So sad you deemed it necessary to involve present day politics into Roman history and insert your very personal views into it…

[@Thunderous333]

Said the fascist

[@TarpeianRock]

@@Thunderous333 let me guess here, you’re about 18 and “I know how things are in the world”.

[@Thunderous333]

@@TarpeianRock I'm actually 14 and am very smart. My babysitter thinks I'm really good at math 😎👍.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Literally the entire point of studying history is to find how it effects us in the modern world

[@strykermoonfall2220]

Unsubscribed from your socialist BS.

[@Giantcrabz]

🎉

[@dyinggaul8365]

Solid choice. This essay is a B- in Political Science 102. All the right jargon, weakly argued and incoherent.

[@ezrafriesner8370]

Womp womp, you won’t be missed

[@haplon33]

wait til you hear about that commie Jesus of Nazareth bro