The Guy cannot Put His modern Politics to the Side , He IS a real Case of Smashing modern US politics into a society that didnt Work that way. Rome didnt have Parties Not even groups they Had individuals and IT revolved around them . Thats why people are so confused with Guys Like pompey or caesar because they dont fit the right or left Side box

It’s growing. Better that a dedicated fanbase spreads the word.

Why that they specifically had studied ancient history?

I paused and rewound at that, but I think he means that Cicero was "forgotten" while exiled and Pompey was the new focus of Clodius's hostilities. So if Pompey got Cicero back to Rome then Clodius would switch his focus back to him.

Fascinating the amount of great men that Rome produce that century alone. I will argue that any of them couldve rule. And the fact that Caesar and Octavian rose and won in such a hyper-competitive world make them even greater

@@avalle4493 It really is interesting to think of all the people that died in that last century of war, that if the Republic has lasted another lifetime, wound have risen tondo great things of record.

I think he was simply that impious. Some of the writings of other authors that time have some crazy theories of what happened at the Bona Dea. You just needed someone that had the nerve and lack of “respect” around at the appropriate time.

That Sounds ridiculous especially when our scources who all mostly hate him never mention that , If there was a slightest hint of that WE would hear IT way more and louder

@@laisphinto6372 The difference between then and now is people who'd be bigoted against Trans people were less likely to even know they exist. But the way what Clodius did is characterized by Cicero fits the way Trans people are demonized today pretty well. I do think this was the only time Clodius ever attempted to publicly present as Female. In my fan fiction the only person truly knew what going in Clodius's head was Fulvia.

This quote says it all. Cicero doesnt understand that the plebs would have no intereet in protecting instuitions that dont represent in a particularly meaningful way...

Those proles just need to lift themselves up by their sandals.

Sycophant of the elite Senatorial and Patrician classes he wished he’d been born to, Cicero libels the Roman People and misrepresents Caesar’s revolutionary land redistributive and debt-canceling intentions, and cynically attacks the Roman People’s virtue simply for seeking economic justice where they could find it in Caesar. The fact that our sycophant history teachers ever since have bent over backwards to assess Cicero one of Rome’s greatest, most creative and eloquent citizens tells us they too would rather kiss the ass of the wealthy and powerful than accurately identify their common economic class interests with the common plebeians, and help students understand the ECONOMIC class conflict of the century of civil wars that lead to the end of Roman Republic in favor of the rigidly hierarchical police state that was the Roman Empire. A tragic loss for the common hardworking Roman citizen. It is long since time to re-assess Cicero for what he was; a purveyor of false consciousness, a cynical promoter of “virtues” long destroyed by the greedy and hyper competitive ultra wealthy Roman ruling classes, a promoter of traditional hierarchy wherever he encountered it as long he could take a place one or two steps from the very top by puckering up and smooching at the bottoms of the ruling class, who’d only ever put up with him, never embrace him as one of their own. What a weasel. Stop teaching kids what a great citizen Cicero was when he hated the common people he came from, and by extension the common working people throughout history. A class traitor and a sycophant.

@@B_Estes_Undegöetz Cicero was far from common, he just wasn’t top crust.

that you couldn't trust anyone else!

They definitely needed some checks and balances lol

You said it all yourself: it was not about ideology, but about personal grudges and hate. A different aspect not treated here, is that the Roman upper class was built upon a cleptocracy that had stolen or "expropriated" land from other Romans that could not keep it cultivated due to being soldiers in the war against enemies. The class gap was vast, and ideologies did not make any sense, because there were the internally fighting upper class with their violent mobs, and there were the lower classes for which the upper class vendettas were bloody feuds that just made you bloodied or dead ... or both.

Anyone trying to explain Roman politics should avoid at First the elections , the Magistrate,the Senate and assemblies and First Break down and understand the patronage system. If you dont understand the patronage system and how Roman families Work you wont understand Roman politics at all. Also USA was, IS and never will be Rome No Matter how hard the Americans LARP they are Just one of the thousands of larpers WHO Desperately want to BE Rome

Honored by the comparison - he is a big inspiration but we aren't connected in any way

Thank you!!! Not sure why the videos are locked like that while on members only must be a problem with the code. Hopefully it gets fixed.

Thanks! Glad you found it thought provoking, that's the goal here - to challenge assumptions about the ancient world and to help people understand the exploitation inherent in ancient societies by invoking modern parallels

He would pretty much take up any cause or any case so long as he felt it would advance his own career.

Although he was very opportunistic, he was a man of high personal integrity and had an honorable code of conduct. He was much less morally dubious than Saul, who is a criminal at the end of the day.

​@JonBrownSherman He likely wasn't he was probably just another power hungry careerist like every other roman politician in history

Jimmy McGill was from Cicero, Illinois.

Truly a BCC moment (Better Call Cicero)