Rome: The Punic Wars - The Conclusion of the Second Punic War - Extra History - Part 4

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[@tempestandacomputer6951]

"You must not fight too often with one enemy , or you will teach him all of your art of war." -Napoleon Bonaparte Rome just learned from Hannibal too well.

[@caoimhghinseamusatkinson97]

I believe Napoleon was himself quoting Lycurgus the Lawgiver who wrote the constitution of ancient Sparta. for hundreds of years Sparta was top dog before their former whipping boy, Thebes, really gave them the what for.

[@UrbanCohort]

I also noticed, Rome overall strategy (if it can be fairly called that) in this stage of the war were as audacious as Hannibal's tactics. Going all-in on a plan that might spell doom for Rome? Jeez guys.

[@zeclomal2265]

Yeah, well and that Hannibal had to face the best general ever: Africanus. He is so underrated and I don't know why.

[@tempestandacomputer6951]

Caoimhghín Séamus Atkinson I have actually heard about this, any links to brief overviews on that?

[@zeclomal2265]

***** well, there's an awesome trilogy written by a Spanish writer (I read the books in that language) but I'm sure you can find them in English. The title is "Africanus: the son of the consul". The writer is Santiago Posteguillo and the story is just amazing, you need no stupid superheroes once you meet Scipio. Just incredible life and such a shame he is not often mentioned betwen the best heroes ever...it's always Alexander, Hannibal, Caesar when he was a thousand times better. Sorry for my large response but as you can see I love the topic hahaha.

[@davidtennant1931]

"these forces suffered from disease...and not being commanded by Hannibal..."

[@nyseknight]

Its Napoleon all over again...

[@TheNaturalnuke]

Warren Gallagher isn't napoleon just hannibal all over again?

[@nxdiaz5916]

TheNaturalnuke Yes. Well to be fair, I'm pretty sure early 19th century Europe was more focused on imperialism and modernization and being global powerhouses then a 2000 year old war that decided the fate of the entire western world

[@vizthex]

Best line

[@dgenbraking]

Best line seconded

[@vicentetemes5793]

Hannibal had it rough. Not only was he stripped off the work of his life, he actually got Hannibal'd in the end. There's losing, and then there's losing against a tactic you taught your enemy.

[@raidevil5497]

hhhh you made my day bro

[@artos607]

Rommel joined THAT club.

[@aziouss2863]

+Vicente Parker whats even worse is it was not his fault he was forced to fight a battle he knew he was going to lose this war has been decided when the source of their superior cavalry betrayed hannibal and carthage

[@imperatorcaesardivifiliusa2158]

Scipio didn't Hannibal Hannibal, Scipio Scipioed Hannibal.

[@vicentetemes5793]

John Taguba And Massinissa Polonius'd Siphax so that Hannibal could Pasha Scipio's Hannibaling.

[@U.Inferno]

Even with a predictable end, the entire story was gripping. I believe that in order to teach history well, you do what 71% of its name implies. Make it a story.

[@e7venjedi]

+U1timate1nferno well said sir. well said.

[@neurofiedyamato8763]

Very well put, Agree entirely.

[@siddharthchillale]

Wow, you actually calculated . Nice!

[@clayxros576]

The Anonymous Sir Backspace Any good teachers that get creative would do this. Unfortunately storytelling is a frowned upon teaching method in modern day, even when it has legitimate value in some areas.

[@Toomuchlife17]

Cool, I'm not the only weirdo who grabbed a calculator the second I saw the comment.

[@michaeljian9138]

So basically, Hannibal just carried Carthage so hard while the other Carthaginian generals were failing at their job which cost the war...

[@tempestandacomputer6951]

+Michael Jian Truth be told, Hannibal's army from my point of view as severly crippled right after Cannae. Sure they massacred the roman army but less than 20,000 men isnt exactly a formiddable force to be taking fortified cities like Rome. This is of course merely a speculation, but reinforcements seemed imperative and i doubt there would have been many mercenaries in Italy.

[@Venpris]

That was true, but Carthage's army in their own country was mostly gone... they weren't prepared from an attack from Scipio. The generals there were doing fine for the most part.

[@christopherbravo1813]

That seems to happen a lot in history.

[@jamespolland958]

@Dead Inside Hannibal smurfing

[@TheEnderLeader1]

Basically, the same as his father.

[@awsomeDualshock]

By the end, Hannibal became like some sort of bad-ass Phoenician Solid Snake. He lost an eye and a brother, and excelled in combat and tactics. God I love history...

[@Zerepzerreitug]

Makes you wonder if Solid Snake was inspired by Hannibal ;)

[@StreakedSilver]

Arturo Gutierrez No, he WAS inspired by snake plitskin from "Escape from NewYork" though

[@sabin97]

Joshua Stewart is "escape from new york" from before the 80's? metal gear is from the 80's

[@StreakedSilver]

sabin97 Snake was inspired by Snake Plitskin from Excape from NewYork. Look it up

[@sabin97]

Joshua Stewart that was your original post. i read it the first time. what i asked was: is "escape from new york" from before the 80's? metal gear is from the 80's

[@vitoc8454]

Can we just take a moment to acknowledge "Carthago Nova" as one of the coolest city names ever?

[@LOLERXP]

It means New Carthage.

[@akrybion]

New York would sound way more badass if it was named something like "Yorkus Nova"

[@Nonsense010688]

Fun fact: Cathago means: New city Cathago Nova ehnce means, New new city.

[@tehspoderman7491]

"hey guys what should we name this city?" "how about....NEW New City?"

[@guillermozentenogumucio945]

futurama joke :v

[@medicalstudent4333]

Well, we can learn one thing from this event of history... No matter how brilliant you are, no matter how bright Fortuna shines upon thee, no matter how many glorious battles you've won! If the heads of your state are a bunch of incompetent, cowardly fools then victory a fleeing dream... And defeat an awakening reality...

[@medicalstudent4333]

***** You've missed a vital word "incompetent." Fabian, though cowardly, was very competent.

[@Luthies]

+Logical Phallusy Pretty sure he was referring to the Carthagenian leaders...

[@AlanNguyenMD]

that's why democratic is important, so only competent people direct the country, if Roman has only one king, they would just keep charging into Catharge and failed

[@laimonassileika2285]

@@AlanNguyenMD Not necessarily. Rome knew how to learn from its' mistakes. And had they let Fabian continue his strategy, Rome would've faired a lot better.

[@linkofvev]

I'd say its more like: no matter how good you are, someone will eventually use your tactics against you.

[@danielryan4220]

One of the greatest military minds of all time stopped not by an opposing army, but by arrogant old men who thought they knew better.

[@user-qj1bt1uv2n]

Yep there are roads that must not be crossed, armies that must not be attacked, cities that must not be sieged, order of the sovereign that must not followed. Sun Tsu, The Art of War.

[@PeterGregoryKelly]

@@user-qj1bt1uv2n Robert E Lee, Napoleon, Rommel, all great generals who were defeated.

[@Monochromicornicopia]

Replace "military minds" with countries and you have the story of modern America

[@jacobsgeneration123]

He should've ok boomered them

[@gust2036]

Too bad the 'Ok Boomer' attitude wasnt possible back then

[@paulballard6771]

Do not disturb my circles

[@Aessa7]

Archimedes... What a douche-bag !

[@NoahWeisbrod]

paul ballard Spoken like a true geometry teacher.

[@milesbeler3974]

Roman soldier "What the fuck is that? My friends just got killed by that crazy shit you made outside, and this really round square is your main concern!?"

[@sabin97]

paul ballard what most people dont know is that by "circles" he meant his massive balls. i strongly encourage everyone to watch "badasses in the history of science"

[@thomasm33996]

Μη μου τους κυκλους ταρατε!

[@Moreanolc]

How has Hollywood not done a big trilogy about this?!?! Totally awesome true story!

[@zeclomal2265]

Dude you can read "The son of the consul" by Santiago Posteguillo, I guess you will be able to find it in English. It's a trilogy about this incredible war and surely three of the best books I've ever read.

[@AurOn-lz8uv]

They probably thought about it when they did "Rome".

[@zeclomal2265]

AurOn2401 yeah, but Rome is not about that time. Is great, sure, but this one would be better.

[@AurOn-lz8uv]

Ruben Del Mazo Yeah but the thing is they didn't make enough money to make a sequel. ;/ So therefore doing something of a... similar timeline was probably a big no. no.

[@zeclomal2265]

I read that some of the materials they used to recreate the city of Rome were burnt in a fire so it was a lot of money to start over again getting a new one.

[@Yvaelle]

Wow, 300 miles in 7 days for an infantry army. That's 70 km per day, for a week. With armor, supplies, weapons, etc. That's crazy - no wonder Hannibal didn't see that coming - it's pretty shocking they could stand at the end of that, let alone immediately assault.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

It's said that the allied populations prepared supplies along the road, so that the legionaries could eat and drink while marching, and stop only to sleep.

[@piotrd.4850]

@@neutronalchemist3241 still - think about amount of discipline, motivation, training and leadership possible to pull it off, without said army dispersing on the third day... also: after this ordeal, they fought and won the battle !

[@felinespqr8317]

That’s the Romans for you.

[@GenDischarges]

I was in an Infantry Brigade that marched 85km in 2 days to mirror a retreat during the Korean War. I really find 70km a day for 7 days difficult to believe.

[@lewistaylor2858]

@@GenDischarges the people of the ancient world were used to far more hardships than the people of modern democratic nations.

[@liamcullen3035]

You forgot to mention Scipio's awesome tactic at the battle of Zama! To defeat the elephants that formed a powerful element of Hannibal's tactics, Scipio arranged his men into columns. Whereas in previous battles the elephants would charge into a solid wall of troops and cause mass chaos and damage, the elephants sought the paths of least resistance and charged harmlessly between the roman ranks (apparently the romans also hamstrung the elephants as they went past). Thus were the deadly Carthaginian elephants nullified by Scipio at the battle of Zama :) I read that in a history book (which I can't find right at the moment), but this account is corroborated by the wikipedia entry for the battle of Zama: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Zama#The_battle

[@Lucy-yk7lf]

They also used trumpets to scare off the elephants so they would charge back at the Carthaginians.

[@luciano9755]

Well, he clearly didn't seem to like Rome very much.

[@HeavyRayne]

There needs to be another Extra History series. This one is fantastic.

[@AkaiNeko4]

Funny you should say that....

[@HeavyRayne]

AkaiNeko4 I know right? I posted that comment and less than 3 weeks later there's a new Extra History series.

[@BigLordBob]

***** AND NOW THEY ARE! :D

[@RocketPwn]

HeavyRayne This thread is magic! Everything that's posted comes true! I should be God! Just you wait...

[@sirscience7306]

***** now we wait a few months

[@samanthacampbell375]

My nephew loves this channel and had been telling me about the extra history. This was enjoyable and the fact that he is learning so much makes it even better. Thanks to you all and Creative Assembly.

[@Caffeindo]

Almost 400👍 👏👏👏👏

[@TuesdayShark]

you look like a karen

[@BatCostumeGuy]

@@TuesdayShark You sound like a redditor

[@gh-ep9fj]

@@BatCostumeGuy you acts like batman

[@gh-ep9fj]

5:46

[@caesaraugustus6257]

You know, this is actually a really smart way to advertise a game. People will think "That was awesome! And if awesome stuff like this is in *insert game name here* I want to play that game!" More companies should do this.

[@leronbenari226]

+Arogon The game is really good now.

[@itshenry8977]

@@leronbenari226 pog

[@fishsing7713]

Mean while somewhere over the river styx Hamilcar : Son, how the hell do you lost to the jerks that have only a Capital left!?! Hannibal : I was called back by the Cathage, dad.... Hamilcar : .... It's OK to cry, son... It's OK to cry....

[@llSuperSnivyll]

Hamilcar: Not that damn senate again...

[@DarkenedArc]

Extra History needs to be it's own series!

[@Zipo1379]

Yes. Please, please make it so!

[@MrNight48]

Hell I even learn something about game design because of this, interesting war tactics and unexplored plot devices

[@aaronwars2143]

TheCrossboy you got your wish :D

[@rahilvig8185]

This aged well...

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

Well Damn.

[@josh4783]

This presentation was amazing...I know you didn't plan on it, but if you would make more, I'd be willing to watch...I love history, but the way you presented it was fascinating

[@kevinnorwood8782]

Something that you guys at Extra Credits didn't mention was this: When Hannibal refused to march on Rome, his cavalry commander said a very famous quote to him--"Hannibal, you know how to conquer, but you do NOT know how to use your victories."

[@Jose-cw3up]

Why was I so engaged and interested in this video when I was so bored when taking History classes in school? If only teachers learnt how to teach properly...

[@LesterRamos]

From what I can gather, he was concise in his discussion whereas most History teachers would just pad out a topic even further. Either that or compared to your teachers, he sounds lively. :)

[@billul1]

Maybe the colorful graphics helps too.

[@cyrus147]

yeah, literally just show them this and that will just fuel questions which are easily answered by professors. idk.

[@ThePredator32]

I don't know about your situation specifically to comment on it but schools here in america have to teach kids to pass tests, not know things. When your goal is not to educate the children but to make sure they can pass their tests you get classes that focus on names and dates and places because that's what they are going to be tested on rather than the causes and effects and what we can learn from them. Which leads to boring classes.

[@AlienInDisguise101]

its funny really, they took four 11 minute videos to explain the greatness of the Punic wars, yet my history textbook only spent a paragraph explaining it

[@sceerane8662]

Roman Troops: "It sounds Perfectly logical to run into the enemy head first! even though that failed a million times before!" Modern Day Soldiers: "FLANK THE FUCK OUT OF THEM!"

[@sidetracker3496]

You have to understand that it was roman policy to charge the enemy head on and outright obliterate them ... it was expected of roman generals to do so to prove the might of Rome by punching strate through enemy lines... so when you have a tradition like that combined with a hot headed general you can only hope the slaughter is quick...

[@sceerane8662]

Side Tracker I'm just making a joke, But thank you for the explanation.

[@ravenwing199]

Ciaran Brickles Flanking Flanking Flanking keep on Flanking. for if you don't you'll be surrounded and crushed so keep moving!This is something Patton would say.

[@VRichardsn]

Ciaran Brickles This is one of the "If you don´t know history you are cursed to repeat it". These "examples" the Romans gave us have teached us the importance of keeping a cool head and not to charge blindly on.

[@reehji]

+Ciaran Brickles roman infantry were superior to the Carthaginian and the Barbarian infantry at that time. It's perfectly normal for them to clash like that, since they have been winning battles that way

[@bobsaget4465]

Hannibal is a fucking badass holy shit

[@isillor529]

too bad dido is the leader of Carthage in civ v :(

[@Nemoticon]

Too bad? Dido MADE Carthage! Everything Hannibal fought for, was because of Dido, Dido IS Carthage, lol.

[@Monkey_Mann_]

Firebrand dido may not have been real. She is the Romulus of Carthage

[@Nemoticon]

DaPotatoMann From my own studies, Dido is actually a real person in history. Her story is very obviously over exaggerated, but she did find carve out the territory that would become Carthage and people followed her. I've got a couple of books that reference her lineage that attempt to divide reality from legend. I agree however, all sources can and should be questioned. I like your comparison though.

[@Badmunky64]

Imagine if Extra Credits teamed up with Crash Course for a special....

[@shadowrain1024]

Some men just want to watch the world learn

[@Badmunky64]

shadowrain1024 It's not about the grade.... It's about learning a lesson...

[@Badmunky64]

corperal king /)

[@labrynianrebel]

Badmunky64 Crash Course has the tendency to talk about talking about history more then talking about history. Which is interesting, but not as entertaining :P

[@thanasdjango4394]

labrynianrebel Crash Course also has the tendency to give opinions rather than facts.

[@PanzerIVAE]

It's really sad to see Hannibal fail, all the documentaries and such I watched and seeing no matter how great Hannibal did and how much he sacrificed he still lost the war

[@MythologywithMike]

They didn't even explain what happened to Hannibal after the second Punic War. After that the Carthaginian senate blamed him for the lose and banished Hannibal from Carthage. Hannibal attempted to raise an army in Macedon but that didn't work. Eventually the Romans found him in Turkey but Hannibal killed himself before the Romans could arrest him. I think that saddest part of this story is when Carthage needed a reason as to why they lost, a scape goat, they chose to blame Hannibal. All that work he did, all the his great victories, were not just for nothing, but they were ignored so he could face a punishment he of all people didn't deserve.

[@hahaha01357]

The Romans demanded Hannibal's head. There wasn't much the Carthaginian senate could do. It's likely they allowed him to "flee" the country to save him from the Romans.

[@piotrd.4850]

@Mythology Guy - Germans scored impressive victories against Soviets, and what good it do for them ?

[@dorkfish1275]

Difference: Hannibal came closer to crushing rome by himself than all those nazi leaders did to USSR

[@richie_0740]

@@dorkfish1275 the germans are within 30 miles of leningrad by the end of 1942 and were only stopped at stalingrad cause stalin made it very clear to everyone in the soviet army that the city bearing his name must not fall to the germans and stack almost all his armies there. also the germans are very stretched on supplies by this time, they expected a quick lightning war, not a battle of atrition

[@hiimshort]

More engaging and well-spoken than any history class I have taken. Why can't we teach like this?

[@stand-alone0]

Because school board* logic. *Bored is more accurate

[@LuccianoBartolini]

In my country is forbidden to teach like this.

[@Xillrafe]

because time. You could say all this could've been taught in about 40 minutes, but this glossed over an incredible amount of stuff and wasn't particularly easy to follow. In school, usually they have requirements for much more important (and recent events) to be taught and a lot of teachers don't have the time to teach wars that happened thousands of years ago.

[@dgmisal1979]

Because most of this is irrelevant to what historians actually do. It can just as easily be summed up in a paragraph or so and then more time can be given to social, geographical, economic, and cultural issues. These kinds of issues, and not military history, are the things that drive historical scholarship and pedagogy.

[@chulebam]

Anibal (Hannibal) may have thought that he wasted his life, but he acomplished what very few men have, and that is to be remembered as a true MAN by all men who deserve to remember him. it sounds subjective, but in my opinion, if someone understands the inevitability of dead and the insignificance of a single man´s life, to be remembered as a great person for so long is bigger than life itself.

[@cryptosporidium1375]

chulebam He was the Erwin Rommel of the Second Punic war.

[@trifarianboi3043]

Hannibal was the Guderian of Carthage

[@cryptosporidium1375]

Ricardo Moura An ancient Gundammeister.

[@emirdiegomontes6411]

Imma make my world where Hannibal won... That guys is a fcking beast

[@mcmarkmarkson7115]

He became legend. I'm sure if he knew he would have been content.

[@kevinnorwood8782]

Also, Extra Credits, the Mythbusters BUSTED the idea of Archimedes's Death Ray. They tried to prove it THREE DIFFERENT TIMES, and each time it could NOT set the ships on fire. It might blind the sailors on the ships and cause them to run aground on sharp rocks, or crash into each other, but it could NOT set them on fire.

[@captainbigmac4205]

The problem with Hannibal not taking Rome is that if he tryed and lost people would say he is dumb for trying to sack Rome but since he didn't they say he is dumb because he didn't do it

[@rogerogue7226]

It's actually worse. He was indeed in that position where he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't, but he only got there because of his own mistakes. You see, the crossing of the alps, awesome as it was, cost him a massive amount of men, material and experienced troops he just couldn't replace, not in italy, possibly not ever. And with only the small army he had after the crossing, awesome commander and local allies or not, he could never truly capture Rome. And it turned out that without capturing Rome, he could never win. He really lost the war the moment he crossed the alps, all because he wanted to shock the world with his awesomeness by doing the impossible, but ended up paying far too high a price for it.

[@manawa3832]

Yeah an invasion through Sicily would have been safer.

[@hahaha01357]

Except he couldn't transport such a large army without it being intercepted and destroyed by the Roman fleet. By that time, the Roman navy was stronger than the Carthaginians.

[@tetsiga45XxX]

Adding "Observe The Punic War's in person" to my list of things I will do when I get a time machine. Right after establishing myself as a deity.

[@petraf2069]

tetsiga45XxX If you had a machine that could take you into alternate "universes" with anything you wanted, how cool would it be to utterly annihilate both Carthage and Rome with some modern weapons, vehicles and tactics? Let's see how your elephants size up to a Main Battle Tank.

[@jaguarthecat9566]

That's on my bucket list too. but maybe not in person. I could probably watch from my heavenly mansion...

[@harrisonm.2313]

"these forces suffered from disease...and not being commanded by Hannibal..." I lost everything. It's gone into the void along with my oxygen because I got way too much enjoyment from that.

[@timothymclean]

Scipio Africanus managed to out-Hannibal Hannibal, even taking that fateful step of striking the enemy capital that could have made Hannibal's dream come true. Sometimes, history sounds like a bad movie. Sometimes, it sounds like an _awesome_ one.

[@aziouss2863]

+Timothy McLean the difference in that was was that the romans had competent politicians as well as generals carthage only had good general well basically two the father and his son hannibal :(

[@timothymclean]

ssuo ben Rome had _some_ competent politicians. Remember the co-dictator fiasco?

[@aziouss2863]

Timothy McLean compared to carthage EVERYTHING is competent XD

[@jayray8026]

+Timothy McLean If you fail, the move becomes idiocy. If you win, then it was brave.

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

Hannibal got the worst Defeat. Hannibal was Hannibal'd by Scipio Africanus.

[@Kyle-kc1ny]

Rome may have won the war, but Hannibal won our hearts....😔

[@UnvincibleGames]

THIS is what is needed in our schools. Early, middle, and graduation. Congrats on amazing work.

[@retronymph]

Can't wait for Total War: Rome III or some other Total War to release. Not for the game, for these videos.

[@Padtedesco]

Your wish has been (almost) granted

[@atjatkatkaktark]

God I wish my old history teachers had been this entertaining

[@TonyStorm21]

i hated history in school, i really did but i dont know if its because im older now or because the way you deliver it is so refreshing that made me love it. i knew about Hannibal but i didnt know enough to realize how much of a beast he was, thanks to you guys now i realize that history can be pretty awesome if its being told and explained in the right way, that was something i knew but never experienced (at least outside games, movies and tv shows that exagerate everything to the point people look like superhumans)

[@andy4an]

History is fascinating. If a class is awful, it is because the teacher sucks, not because the events are boring. I've had good and bad instructors, and my sympathies are extended to anyone who never had a good one.

[@TonyStorm21]

weesh ful ive had really good teachers in the past, i just never enjoyed history, i think it works better with visuals and a good narrative.

[@luckygozer]

***** lots of classes enjoyment seems to depend alot on the teacher and i suppose what they have to teach i think the main problem for me for history in school was that for tests alot of it was simply boring memorization what year did this and this happen that kind of stuff which sure knowing that world war 2 didn't end in the 80s is perhaps good to know how precise you need to be about the year only matters the closer it happened to present to me it doesn't matter when the punic wars started and i don' think you would even need to know every name that was mentioned in this video what i think matters and what is intresting is what happened a shift from alot memorization of dates and names too still some of that but mostly just explaining what happened in your own words. atleast for the years i had history that is how i remember it it's been quite a while since i had history class

[@minhkhangtran6948]

***** so sad, soul-crushingly true. In the end, all the goverment want is to create "drone" that they could control without them complaining

[@raffael3601]

The perfect video after oversimplified

[@rev_62]

true

[@YepItsSandro]

Fax

[@mymompurse]

If you have more times at your hands, it would be appreciating to see you guys doing the Three kingdom lore in Ancient china. This series was amazingly awesome and i hoped you could make another videos about these!

[@MRcombatarmsFTW]

Are you guys gonna do another Extra History anytime soon? I really enjoyed this one and I've watched through a big majority of Extra Credits on game development now because this video grew my attention to you guys

[@SoAS26]

I feel bad for Hannibal and Archimedes. Romans should have let Archimedes live. He would have been a great asset. It's really sad when important orders are not followed in the rage of war.

[@AxelLeJeff]

More... MORE... MOAR!

[@ParadigmShiftr]

I unrepentantly root for Carthage every time I see, read or play something about the Punic Wars.

[@Arixodia]

Same, to the extent it's painful to see it through until it's conclusion.

[@falsusficta3488]

That's what Civ 5 is for

[@101jir]

Any particular reason?

[@konsyjes]

Carthage was not perfect. They had their skeletons in closets also. I feel like people often have a very sport-like view of war. Like it's a contest between Team Rome and Team Carthage: ready set GO! There are no teams. To me. It is a breakdown of societal balance. And millions of lives spiralling into a cataclysm. The powerful men in Carthage team up against the powerful men in Rome to see who gets more land, more property, more slaves. They present this as a great contest between nations: a matter of pride and concern to each citizen for motivational purposes, because it is the citizens who do the fighting, and the dying. But an oligarchy is only nominally a team, in my opinion: every one of those senators really just pursues his own goals. As should every citizen who is instead swayed by the political agenda to believe in a "greater cause". Archimedes could have continued working and inventing things just fine under Roman rule in Syracuse, if the soldiers didn't kill him, which I think they did out of spite and revenge, rather than national pride; like "you're that bastard who invented these infernal devices that killed all of our friends; so that the cowardly Syracusans could hide behind their walls instead of fighting us like men. my friend was cut in half by a swinging crane of some sort, Do not disturb my circles he says, I'll show you circles, you old fart"

[@milesbeler3974]

My favorite part about TW:R2 is how it lets me role play to extrodinary levels, to the point where I intentionally set the difficulty too high, so I am jsut screaming at my PC and every defeat to "INBRED PUNIC DOGS, FIT ONLY FOR SLAUGHTER!!!" to put it lightly. i'm sure I could see the other side if I had the Hannibal DLC, but for now, it is just me with blood pressure over 9000.

[@KendrixTermina]

2:06 I didn't know Archimedes was involved or that he was even a contemporary. SO cool.

[@MrCreeper1O2]

"Suffered not being commanded by Hannibal."

[@AngelicaSpyro]

I heard that after Carthage was destroyed, salt was poured on the land so that nothing would ever grow there again.

[@piotrd.4850]

Skipping the famous Scipio's speeches, on any subject - each ending with famous quote: "Also, I believe that Carthage should be razed" - were skipped.

[@neutronalchemist3241]

"You have been defeated!" "We'll call it a draw. "I slaughtered all of your armies!" "Let's fight a little more and see." "That's madness!" "No... ...That's ROME!"

[@andro7862]

On the family tree on 4:15 you can see the Gracchi family interlocking with the Scipios. It's amzing how history different parts are sometimes connected, wouldn't be surprised to find Walpole somewhere...

[@keenandlittle5889]

Please do more of this kind of thing. My God, this was the most riveting history lesson I've ever had. I am very, very impressed. I never really understood this war, who Hannibal was, or what his place in history was. Now I have some understanding of what kind of desperate odds Rome was up against. I'm a fan of the Total War series, and I've gotten pretty good at commanding armies in the field. I can see that some of my most successful deployments actually closely mirror what was actually done, historically-speaking. I remember a desperate battle as Numidia, against a superior Egyptian army. I put my general and my weaker infantry in the center, and put tough mercenary infantry at my flanks, and used my cavalry (mostly spear-chuckers) to first pick off the Egyptian cavalry, then wheel around into the back of the Egyptian formations. It worked brilliantly, the battle line formed a crescent around Egypt's hard center, and by the end of it all my losses were acceptable and Egypt had lost a quarter of their total standing army. I had to come up with that on my own. Now I know I should have just studied Hannibal.

[@Whizzmaster5000]

We need more Extra History!

[@1337ijs]

You guys made a ridiculously epic show out of a bunch of history lessons. You really, really should do more of these.

[@SacridFire]

There are several different ones of these I'd like to see done. The Crusades, primarily the 3rd, the Three Kingdoms of China, and even the Sengokujidai of Japan.

[@NhiHuynh-bp5nr]

HELL YES!

[@carnifexdemon]

The Three Kingdoms and Sengokujidai would actually be very interesting.

[@PixelHead777]

Extra History is now a series that can be funded on Patreon!

[@NhiHuynh-bp5nr]

Joy Baker TO THE PATREON!!

[@KYUBIMATIAS]

While not as massive as any of the events you guys have mentioned I'd like them to make a Falkland island episode. As a 19 year old Argentine immigrant currently living in the States, I don't quite exactly understand the war and its reason. All I know is that my dad get super pissed when people discuss it and he hates the British. He's about 43 now so could someone provide any insight into this?

[@alliewest3657]

I absolutely love your history videos. The narration and the structure of the events you present is so comprehensive and engaging! I've watched the sengoku Japan playlist and the punic wars so far and I LOVE them both. Thank you so much for creating such quality content! And a shout out to the game developers for funding this too- what an awesome idea.

[@VT-mw2zb]

There are interesting similarities between the Second Punic War and the Great Patriotic War by the Soviets. The Carthaginian army under Hannibal is like the German Army: small, well-led (not necessarily well-trained), which was capable of defeating a much larger force through excellent maneuvers on tactical and operational level. At the strategic level, however, they were at the far end of their logistical string: very hard to be supplied, or to find replacement for casualties.They were also incapable of forcing the enemy to surrender. The Romans were basically the Soviets: they lost their entire army about 3 times over yet refusing to surrender. Their generals aren't particularly bright (except for a few, like Scipio, Rokossovsky, and Vasilevsky) or clever in regards to maneuver. Their predominant strategy is to raise a big army and send them into battle over and over and over again. The wars ended with the Roman army in Carthage capital, and the Soviet Red Army in Germany capital.

[@nanda-re2yp]

Zhukov is a good general.

[@shashwatsinha2704]

Interesting...

[@rikbberkelder]

this is IMHO the best way of marketing, for it is the only way it got me into buying a game (i liked roman history and RTS so that helped but still). you should do more of these, they were very interesting

[@ScrapMetalPanda]

poor hannibal

[@totalmadnesman]

Man.. I wish Hannibal had won. The punic wars always make me sad :c

[@j3e125]

Then we'd be living in a much different world. Of course, Hannibal wouldn't compare to Julius Caesar.

[@totalmadnesman]

Julian Escobedo No no of course he can't but we would surely had other languages and cultures out here :3

[@alverygrissom2544]

the wrong kind of culture and language, i'm so glad that Rome won. Roma invicta.

[@totalmadnesman]

jarick caesar The better one ! (I fucking hate French..) Roma non invicta !

[@alverygrissom2544]

Totalmadnesman french? FRENCH? FUCK FRANCE, but no, Rome was necessary.

[@davidgraney3413]

Such a hilarious but informative way of teaching history love all of the videoes from these guys

[@ADogNamedStay]

This series set a precedent in content, and for that I thank you guys for the years of enjoyment I've received from the many content creators that have also created history based content.

[@mr_boats]

i like this version of the War better. My History teacher said that Hannibal actually accomplished nothing, but loosing his army when he crossed the alps. But this video said otherwise. GOOD JOB

[@piotrd.4850]

Teacher was not wrong.

[@tripelon]

Piotr Dudała how’s so?

[@CookieDynamics]

I enjoyed this. It would be nice if you could post more.

[@TheGreatMoonFrog]

Carthage needed admiral Yi.

[@CAPace09]

TheGreatMoonFrog Yep

[@michaelbandada9887]

They also need Zhuge Liang

[@raphiburghgreve372]

The best video about Rome and Hannibal I've ever seen I wish you could do another video about Rome because it was just amazing

[@Ezabs]

Fair play. This kind of thing makes a FAR more compelling advert than the usual. Good on you and CA

[@myth1032]

Giant beasts of war, epic setpiece battles, a clash of Empires and leaders, the (possibly) mad genius of Archimedes, vows of revenge and military geniuses. MAKE THIS A MOVIE HOLLYWOOD!

[@Asklepios27]

I'd love a series about the Macedonian Wars (214-148 BC) as it is a pivotal part on ancient history that saw the fall of the Hellenistic period. Either way, this content is fantastic and a rare gem of the Internet :)

[@UltimateWildWolf]

I love Roman history this was very interesting thank you for doing it

[@FaLEDirefulGnome]

These episodes are fantastic! I hope you guys do more historical episodes in the future. I'm definitely interested in reading up on the Punic Wars, and Rome in general, so thanks for that. I'm a long-time fan, and I love the show, please keep it up.

[@cedricbp]

So jam-packed with information that I gotta watch the vids 2-3 times to absorb it all, but they're so fun that I don't mind it at all. Great job, guys!

[@wedge1269]

Sad that 250k people watched the 1st episode but by episode 4 here only 125k remain.

[@elnekosauce]

They were killed by Hannibal.

[@123maurel]

Jaye サンダーの治世 you sir, you win

[@stand-alone0]

Jaye サンダーの治世 No, we had to cross the Alps to get to this video, don't you remember?

[@elnekosauce]

Zachary Ulrich Yes, a lot of your men suffered to get to this promised land of information.

[@tanqs789]

They failed to make it to the end. RIP to those.

[@ObsessiveReaderLuv]

So Scorpio's son just totally copied Hannibal that's actually kind of hilarious

[@emscape2]

***** its more like scipio was inspired by what hannibal did i think

[@TheEpicGnome]

Plus, you have to admit, performing such a maneuver after only ever hearing of it once, through the words of survivors, in actual combat, perfectly, the first time, is impressive for such a young general.

[@konsyjes]

He didn't "totally copy" Hannibal. Encirclement has always been the most sought after tactical result. Plus, it's not like they had KZbin so he could just bust out his Iphone and be Like " Huh, so thATS how he did it! Guys come'ere this is what we gonna do right here check it out ". I'm sure eyewitness accounts explained Hannibal's strategy in some detail, but every battle is different. You can't just rely on a ready-made strategy. If that was the case, why wouldn't everyone just do the "Cannae" strategy every time FTW

[@sevenaries]

“These troops suffered from disease… and NOT being commanded by Hannibal”

[@ivanalantiev2397]

This series are THE BEST lesson of history in my entire life. Thanks Extra Credits!

[@RPGFanbase]

You guys are amazing.. I've always enjoyed a bit of history but never really been motivated to bother with it. These videos of the punic wars have been so interesting and a pleasure to watch. I really hope you make more with this level of quality. Job well done!! Best I've seen for a looooong time.

[@maxiewawa]

The fact that it's called the Punic War and not the Roman War kinda gives away who wins in the end...

[@robbert-janmerk6783]

Any rudimentary knowledge of history does that already :)

[@MrEjemploanonimo]

Surrender at 20??? Like from League of Legends??? Ahahahahaha this just became twice as awesome. And it was already incredibly awesome!

[@Oblivion9873]

was about to comment about that too XD

[@MrJonahhart]

XD lol!

[@rashkavar]

This is an epic enough story that I am now tempted to reinstall Rome Total War (the good old original) take the reins of the Carthaginian empire, and recreate Hannibal's victories. I also want to see how the game handles the inverted crescent encircling technique.

[@youtubeisfascistandcensorsyou]

try the mod rtw roma surrectum 2, is epic

[@Skexis64]

This is very, very, dense material, and I had trouble keeping track a few times. But I appreciate you doing it, EC!

[@jasondads9509]

you guys are great at making things so fascinating, i am not usually that interested in history but in these videos, really made me interested in what you were talking about, i think that you could make anything sound interesting.

[@Rage_WinterchiIl]

Man, an accurate tv show of the second punic war would be so badass. Throw in a little background of the first war at the beginning, maybe the first few episodes. I think it could be succesful.

[@thomashenry4798]

If this were a TV show, I would pay all of my money to watch it. Why isnt this a TV show or a movie or something?

[@excinerus]

and have 50% of screen time about some lame ass bullshit romance triangle drama ?

[@Bane_questionmark]

These videos were really cool, although the Roman in me cringed at all the the Anglicization of the Latin words.

[@JamEngulfer]

To be fair, you can't read them out in 'Latin' because Latin has no verbal form, if I recall correctly.

[@Bane_questionmark]

JamEngulfer221 I'm not sure exactly what you mean, but Latin is very much pronounceable. And not that Italianized church Latin, either. I'm talking old school.

[@JamEngulfer]

Sorry, I got confused. I was told misinformation by someone that did Latin.

[@Bane_questionmark]

Yes. As a student of Latin, the most annoying people are those who mispronounce their c's (which are ALWAYS HARD), v's (which are ALWAYS pronounced like our w), and ae's (which are ALWAYS pronounced like a long i).

[@JamEngulfer]

Well, you know far more than I do! You lean new stuff every day.

[@paulovinicius7052]

This whole series of videos was, at the very least, totally awesome. I wish they taught us history like that. Thumbs up for you, guys!

[@nukaemillange6371]

I had Rome as a subject in History classes in college and I used to watch this series, I got a B on a project about Rome, and I can say that you guys contributed to my grades in History classes as a whole, thanks for that

[@dakevs]

i am going purchse to rome: total war 2 just because of this series. thank you extra credit, for making such entertaining videos. and thank you creative assembly, for funding the video and making this possible.

[@TheRelevantusername]

uhhhh... i've heard it's not that good. you might not wanna judge the total war series on this game.

[@H4voCz0r]

TheRelevantusername It is a decent game but suffers by bad AI and bugs (not sure if its still does since the patches)

[@dakevs]

TheRelevantusername 1. i have enough money to spend ~35 US dollars on a game that will give me 10+ hours of entertainment. 2. no one asked for your opinion. get lost.

[@H4voCz0r]

dakevs You put a comment out on a video and tried to give a bit of a critic that you should check if they patched the stuff yet and you say to get lost. Are you 10?

[@dakevs]

nooooo... fuck you!

[@quinnbuffet3825]

Someone really needs to make this into a GoT style series.

[@blakerichardson8237]

Check out the HBO Series Rome. Its pretty short, only 2 seasons because it got really expensive and didn't make enough money back. But its pretty good, following Caesar's rebellion against the Republic (The whole bringing soldiers into Italia, and the whole taking over Rome thing.)

[@HarashiKalou]

Caesar did nothing wrong

[@zeclomal2265]

This story would be like a thousand times better...and the thing is that it's real.

[@Nicholas2727]

There's a graphic novel coming out about Hannibal and the second Punic war. Google "in search of Hannibal" if you're interested.

[@Jajdjejwi28]

I realise now that at school I was teached very very different.. 'It was a war to secure corn in the sicilian islands' and thats it. No explanations about why and how. Even the outcome of 'the war' was very unclear. After all the years at school I am feeling a bit dissapointed in the Dutch history classes..

[@Stryke607]

I would have expected better from a dutch school. You guys are usually pretty well educated.

[@DeyaViews]

I don't even recall anything about corn with regards to the Punic Wars. I went to highschool in the Netherlands too, but history classes were pretty good. It differs a lot depending on the kind of school and the history teachers themselves--I had a new one every year and they were either terrible or great.

[@Jajdjejwi28]

***** That is right! Thank you!

[@SuperKimmyxD]

I got a lot of explanation about the Punic wars, but that was in my Latin class. It might also depend on which school you go to or which level you're in. I would also be disappointed if I didn't get that. It's pretty interesting.

[@louisbaudin576]

And the moral of the story is than a clean ace in the ennemy base can give you the win no matter how hard you are loosing. Really great piece of work. I studied a bit this war during class but not with this much information. This is really why anytime i see one of your video i feel a bit more enlighted in the world of video games and now history.

[@Papadragon18]

I just love the little doodle characters you're using. The emotion they convey just make these already interesting topics even more entertaining.

[@placebo4yo]

Scorpio’s genius tactics in Zama dude. Can’t believe you skimmed over the biggest battle in the second Punic war. Smh

[@tajb2595]

When the Romans are the most in danger, is when they are the most to be feared.

[@charlesmcdowell9436]

Until Genghis Khan and the vandals dealt with them heheheh.

[@alessandrolira4035]

charles mcdowell And then the byzantines showed up. "Yall thought the Roman's were dead!, think again.'

[@stormbringer2840]

@@charlesmcdowell9436 ? I think you confused Genghis khan with Attila who was a Hun or Genseric who was a Vandal .

[@samyrandome425]

Or just thank the Numidians for switching sides. You're welcome.

[@duhmzdaih]

@@charlesmcdowell9436 You might be talking about Attila. The Huns and the vandals only fought the shadow of what Rome once was. The vandals were eventually destroyed by the romans (Justinian).

[@crazyman8472]

I think Hannibal was in a tough spot. Besieging a walled city is very difficult, and Rome was one of the toughest of all. Hannibal needed a lot more men & supplies to even think of taking Rome. 🤔

[@Srparisher]

I cannot express how much I enjoy you guys. The information is brought out interestingly, it's all enjoyable, and hell while i have no immediate plans to go into game dev'ness the advice you hand out is brilliant. Hope you guys never have to stop :D

[@spindext]

I love Extra History... you guys should make more of these!!

[@robertfaucher3750]

"Cause of Death: Not Being Commanded by Hannibal"

[@mendelsonroy279]

2:15 *THE SUN IS A DEADLY LAZER*

[@mayoite160]

One problem with this excellent series is that it didn't emphasize Scipio Africanus and his outmaneuvering of Hannibal at Zama - up to and including his successfully neutering the elephants (Hannibal was given a fresh supply of them) by opening his lines up and letting them pass through without managing to damage any of the Roman forces...

[@tcc5750]

That was the norm tactic for chariots though, Scipio Africanus just re-purposed it for elephants as they are also large and charge straight much like horses......Look up Alexander the Great's battles, he would constantly have his men open the lines to allow chariots to just run past then have skirmishers (think scouts) just shoot them with slingshots or bows.

[@ChristopherSamuelson5]

This series was interesting for one particular reason. It highlights the fact that the Extra Credits team are educators, not just savvy game buffs. Great series, very well done.

[@neinzukorruption9321]

I crossed my fingers for Hannibal so much. He was such a warrior, the lengths he took for his wars and battles and the elephants. Great man.